/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[06-21] GZDoom 3.4.1 released, fixing bugs
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=60928

[06-21] Quake2XP receives an update
https://www.moddb.com/mods/quake-2-xp

[06-20] v0.2 of 'Zrift-Chasm' released, a partial GZDoom conversion of Chasm: The Rift
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=60811

[06-20] LegenDoom 2.1 released, adding 30 weapon effects per tier
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=51035

[06-18] Hellshots Golf updated, now with seven maps
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/4841368/#4845681

[06-17] PSX Doom SFX remaster project in the works
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/101057-psxdoom-hq-sound-effects-project-by-triaxis-trevor0402/

[06-17] Cola 3 now with HacX 1.2 support
https://wildweasel.itch.io/cola-3-the-soda-of-style

[06-16] Zombie Jam 2 released for Quake
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61591

[06-11] F2P 'trial' week of Quake Champions extended until the 25th
https://quake.bethesda.net/en/news/6vtiowCplmQ66SQKyEGgEu

[06-11] E3: Bethesda announces Doom Eternal, a direct sequel to the 2016 game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oVwrpfo_QA

[06-10] Colorful Hell's second beta
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980&p=1058613#p1058613

[06-10] MetaDoom to include codex
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=53010&start=1305#p1058266

[06-10] 4th 100-bursh mapping competition for Quake released; requires Quoth
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61587

[06-10] QZDoom updated
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=60838

[06-09] La Tailor Girl update, featuring a new character
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&start=255#p1058181

[06-08] Mr. Friendly updated
https://jp.itch.io/mr-friendly

[06-07] GZDoom 3.4.0 released
https://inmost-dens.tumblr.com/post/174643966924/link#notes

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Reminder that Cacos are for shooting.

GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY BASE YOU DEMON FUCKING SHITS

>>4852359
I wonder if the fog-related crash in UTNT in software mode is fixed yet.

Nope..

Is there a mod that has a friendly caco companion follow you and help you fight against his former demon comrades?

>>4852425
correction: skeet shooting

>>4852439
You can summon friendly monsters in vanilla GZDoom. Would probably be fairly trivial to bind summoning a friendly caco to a button.

post your unpopular opinions

>I liked the Doom movie
>I fucking hate the fact that every megawad turns into a slaughterfest in the last 10 levels
>when I see the map will have more than 300 enemies I'm really tempted to skip it because it's just a boring grind at this point

>>4852461
Doom 2 is better than Doom. Blood is better than both and the best build game. Hexen is bottom of the barrel trash.

>>4852468
Literally me.

Chocolate Doom is the best way to play Doom.

>>4852461
Quake enemies aren't bullet spongy, Doom's are.

>>4852468
Final Doom is better than all of them.

Playing Doom Retro using a gamepad is surprisingly comfy

>>4852468
you just stated some facts

>>4852461
The implementation of the demon keys is why Doom 64 isn't that great

what are some good beginner megawads? Mom started playing Doom again

Metroid Dreadnought is unfinished because Term ran out of ideas and Zand code is shit for Armor upgrades
NeoDoom is overrated as the Brazillian Doom community
Nerahra is still the best Quakemod
DarkPlaces isn't that bad
Final Doom is Overrated

>>4852497
>Metroid Dreadnought
There's so many niggling things wrong with that mod that just make it unfun to play for me.

>>4852461
>I fucking hate the fact that every megawad turns into a slaughterfest in the last 10 levels
Wouldn't be as bad if they didn't still try to pretend they're real maps by holding back on the BFG ammo.

>when I see the map will have more than 300 enemies I'm really tempted to skip it because it's just a boring grind at this point
Determining if a map is going to be a slog from enemy count alone is hard. It depends if they use ass dick enemy placement and map geometry to make it hard and slow, how much higher tier ammo they give the player and what types of enemies they are.

>>4852461
>I find most Cacoward wads pretty boring and by the books.
>Arcane Dimensions is seriously overrated and there are much better mapsets out there for Quake (RRP for example).
>Quake is more interesting to play than Doom.
>Doom 64 is much better than Doom 2.
>Ribbiks has been best mapper for Doom for a while.

>>4852510
it was fun in deathmatch and CTF, but yeah it's a real drag in single player

>>4852461
>slaughter

Who is playing these? I've never known of anyone who enjoys them. Every time I hear about the slaughter wads it's negative. The concept of slaughter wads always seemed juvenile to me too. Like a kid thinking it'd be so cool to put a bunch of monsters and blow them up with a rocket launcher.

>>4852537
32 slots servers with complex doom

>>4852510
Just Update it by yourself if you have the skills or want to learn how to code, the Dreadnought Megawad is coming out soon.

The only slog is that Dreadnought itself since GZD3.3 made some items never spawn or some monster not even dropping health, also Space Pirates enemies on Crack and tanking a SSG at point blank, and term never coding the pistol drop as the Super Missile or such since there's maps who uses that, like hub3057 on >pic.

>>4852537
I think slaughtermaps are fun if they're well designed. A box with 10,000 monsters isn't interesting, but an proper arena with well-implement gimmicks, cool layout and good monster combinations can be really fun. A lot of the latter maps in Sunlust are tons of fun because they keep surprising the player and require actual tactics to survive.

>>4852543
this just in: samus ditches her stun pistol in favor of some good 'ol .45

let's ignore the part where the M9 uses 9mm

>>4852551
I think someone made her pistol sprites if im not wrong.

>>4852513
This is what kills my enthusiasm for Going Down towards the end of it.

The first half of the levels are neat ways to use the space but when it goes underground it starts to progressively just ramp up the slaughtermap stuff, to the point where you've got one map with at least four cyberdemons on it, amongst a fuckton of other shit.

It's not even that I hate slaughtermaps but when I'm in the mood for those, I go for maps that are just that from the start.

>>4852543
>Just Update it by yourself if you have the skills or want to learn how to code
There's so much stuff to mess with, and all Zandronum compatible, meaning it will be awful and spaghetti to go through. Might as well just start from the ground up.

>>4852565
Probably better off editing Space Hunter than you are with Deadnought.

>>4852565
zandronum 1 compatible, at that
zandronum 3 has enough stuff that you can make things work, but there is no way in hell I'd go back to not even having named scripts

>>4852461
Duke Nukem 3D is a better game than Doom, and Allen H Blum is the best leveldesigner for any FPS game ever.

>legendoom + colorful hell

Holy fuck this can get brutal at times

>>4852617
>the way Doom is meant to be played
you forgot Champions.

>>4852616
I don't 100% agree with your statements, but I think you probably have very strong and good reasoning behind your position.

But Blum is a fucking god, let's be real.

TFW I get on /dg/ and talk and provide advice but I actually havent even run doom in almost two weeks.

>>4851651
What the hell is this game and why havent I ever seen it or heard about it?

>>4851702
>>4851737
Used future has some romantacism to it, romantic settings are often orange and reddish as lit by candle light and decorated with maroon. Candle light also being yellowish the blaster shots were also yellow reminiscent of flareguns rather than covenant elite plasma rifle bright blue.
> not to mention Red Text on computers as opposed to ghostly blue, evoking visceral responses rather than flighty ones
> the emulsifying vats were pink in color like mcdonalds chicken nuggets, as opposed to nukage green or dark red blood
Used Future is also dirty and rusty and both of these things are brown. Carmack was playing Used Future 100% to the hilt and through this made it so perfect that it even contributed to the artistic definition of Used Future.

>>4852082
> when she's grotto but you're still grisly

>>4852224
Arachnotron
Because weaving in and out of plasma shots is likely going to cost you a hit or two and if you're running kinda low on health thats a big deal even if it doesnt kill you. Because someone else will after that.

Also while I dont normally have a problem dealing with them, they do excellent work on infighting other monsters. And I have died ALOT of times to arachnotrons when im not giving a shit, so it goes to show just how deadly they are if you dont watch yourself.
- An underestimated fact about Arachnotrons is they are large bricks and cannot be pushed around, even if you can easily chainsaw/gun them into oblivion it means they can also block the means of escape while something else, quite often an HK or Fatso rips off your pants and proceeds to speed rape you.
> An Arachnotron in the wrong place can buy the other monsters just enough time to destroy you, and if you neglect the Arachnotron it will destroy you instead and up close it will not miss.

>>4852461
>post your unpopular opinions
No wad touches the core Doom 1 + 2 maps. That's not to say they didn't have some poor maps but no other wad matches them overall.

>>4852640
>What the hell is this game and why havent I ever seen it or heard about it?

Someone decided to use Chasm: The Rift assets as a gameplay mod. It's the 'Zrift' mod you can find in the news.

>>4852438
have you reported it?

>>4852661
Nope

>>4852461
>I fucking hate the fact that every megawad turns into a slaughterfest in the last 10 levels
I guess this, but I like them if the arena is well designed enough. However, I do play one level at a time when the wad becomes that because it's sorta exhausting.
>>4852480
Eh it's a complicated thing overall. A lot of it comes down to what the "default" weapon in each game is and enemy behavior

>>4852667
gee i wonder why isn't it fixed then

>>4852461
I don't enjoy gameplay mods as much as i used to. Doesn't mean they are bad, but these days i prefer just playing a new wad vanilla style with Smooth Doom, and maybe Colourful Hell if it's to easy.

>>4852636
Champions doesn't work well with Legendoom for now.

>>4852638
And yet everyone and their mothers utterly despises DNF.

>>4852705
If Blum worked on DNF, I couldn't tell.
But also, if the core gameplay is just dogshit, it doesn't really help if you try harder with the levels, the game just won't be fun anyway.

>>4852709
He was the only person that worked on the game from the start all the way through till the release. As the lead leveldesigner too.

Although you do have a very good point about the core gameplay. That's exactly the reason I don't mingle with Marathon, Blood or HL1 usermaps. Wouldn't touch user-made DNF maps, if there were any, as well.

>>4852461
>non-vanilla graphical effects tend to look tacky and clash with the style of the original game
>Wolfenstein 3D has much more satisfying combat than Doom
>Containment Area isn't that great, even if it has become pretty iconic
>Shorter maps are more fun, though not necessarily the Scythe kind of short
>>4852471
Mein neger.

Am I imagining it or did GZDoom disable stereo sounds again?

>>4852485
I played Doom with a gamepad for like a year and then I switched to mouse and keybord.
It's comfy indeed, the problem comes with gameplay mods.

>>4852461
I hate the plasma rifle

>>4852773
This, I don't know what Id were thinking. I wouldn't mind it if it were just a bit quieter.

>>4852468
Aside from Blood being the best build game I disagree but I respect it.

>>4852638
My selection of the godliest maps by Blum:
>Hollywood Holocaust
>Death Row
>Spaceport
>Fusion Station
>Occupied Territory
>Lunar Reactor
>Dark Side (THE BEST LEVEL IN THE HISTORY OF FPS)
>Freeway
>Derelict
>Golden Carnage

>>4852759
>non-vanilla graphical effects tend to look tacky and clash with the style of the original game

I don't see how this is an unpopular opinion desu.

>>4852773
>>4852778
See I don't think that's unpopular really

>>4852784
It sure seems to me that "pretty" source ports like ZDoom and its offshoots are more popular than traditional ones like Chocolate/Crispy Doom or even PrBoom+.

>>4852759
Containment Area and Spawning Vats are the only levels I found remotely interesting in Petersen’s Doom 1 output, but they should have been better if Hall was allowed to finish them.

>>4852461
-Wolfenstein 3D is still playable to this day.
-Wolfenstein 3D music underrated
- Quake monster roster is as good as the Doom Roster
- Ziggurat Vertigo is one of the best maps in a FPS game
- On Youtube the Doom community is at its worst
- HDoomguy has a better track record than Sgt Mark IV

>>4852802
>Ziggurat Vertigo is one of the best maps in a FPS game

My Niggur.

>>4852802
I agree, what a level. Great fun

>>4852802
>- On Youtube the Doom community is at its worst
Doubt this one is unpopular. What would have it beat, tumblr?
>- Quake monster roster is as good as the Doom Roster
I'm not quite sure this is unpopular either.

>>4852461
1.) I fancy Ken Silverman's Build engine more than John Carmack's idTech 1.
2.) I dislike how Adrian Carmack treated Tom Hall like shit just because of Tom's happy-go-lucky personality.
3.) I'm not that fond of survival or invasion mode, despite that most servers are only those nowadays.
4.) I wanted them to put in the story and plotline aspects like they were originally were gonna do before Carmack shat on it with his NOW LEGENDARY QUOTE

"Why are we here again?" "Who cares, MORE BLOOD! FUCK INTRIGUE AND LORE, YEAH!"
It's very surprising coming from him, considering the guy has been known to be an emotionless automaton.

>>4852812
Nah, I've been on Tumblr and they're surprisingly chill there most of the time.

>>4852461
>>4852802

I hate the Super Nailgun
its clunky
it doesnt visually shoot two nails
and its obnoxiously loud
and its easier to waste alot of ammo with it after monsters die

>>4852796
It's definitely an interesting map, I just prefer a more straightforward Knee-Deep in the Dead style of gameplay.
>>4852802
>-Wolfenstein 3D is still playable to this day.
>-Wolfenstein 3D music underrated
These.
>- On Youtube the Doom community is at its worst
It seems like YouTube game videos in general attract idiots and dorks.
>>4852815
>2.) I dislike how Adrian Carmack treated Tom Hall like shit just because of Tom's happy-go-lucky personality.
Yeah, Adrian Carmack just comes across as a jerk in the whole thing.

>>4852843
John Romero’s maps have amazing visuals, they are just too difficult with pistolstart.

Maps like Perfect Hatred, Against Thee Wickedly, Circles of Death, Tenements, The Abandoned Mines, The Living End are all better than any usermade hackwork.

Hell, even the modern remakes E1M4 and E1M8 are amazing, and he showed mappers how to make great levels.

>>4852370
Sorry for the late response, I fell asleep. If you need my help, steam or discord will be the best way to reach me. My username on either will be shorty1k

>>4852865
then again pistol start was supposed to be a punishment for not saving your game, or for cheating, so obviously no consideration and fucks should be given for whether you can efficiently start a map with only the pistol.
They WERE usually kind to place weapon pickups in the map at least so that you could work your way up. Though you didnt always get back all the weapons you had acquired previously (eg, e2m4 has rocket pickups, but no RL).

>>4852773

>>4852783
I love Derelict so much, it's such a good fucking map, it's like a dungeon crawl except you're adrift in the ocean, with thundering lightning and alien scum creeping in the shadows.

The only thing better than a level with perfect gameplay is a level with perfect gameplay and perfect atmosphere.

>>4852773
Same kinda, the projectile (in terms of map radius) is too big and it clips walls and scenery too easy. Id rather it be a blaster like from DF.

But my unpopular opinion is the Plasma Rifle should probably have just been a Flamethrower instead. Screw the BFG just turn it into an umaker and have it use the same ammo as the Flamethrower.

>>4852802
>Wolfenstein 3D is still playable to this day.
I agree. I think the expansions are pretty hard to digest though. At its core, Wolf3D is very simple, and it kind of feels like they've done pretty much all the interesting stuff with it after you've plugged Hitler.
If you wanted more, I would suggest *maybe* Spear Of Destiny, but it doesn't do very much new.
The Nocturnal Missions are pretty boring to me (they feel 'artificially lengthened', to me, if that makes any sense), and the FormGen expansions are just complete garbage.

I think to make the core Wolf3d formula more interesting after the third episode, you pretty much have to look at a more advanced engine, so either Rise Of The Triad (which is really fun, but tonally and stylistically very dissimilar), or look for one of those finely crafted user made campaigns for sourceports, like Totenkopf SDL.

>Wolfenstein 3D music underrated
I agree, there's a lot of good stuff in there.

>Quake monster roster is as good as the Doom Roster
Almost.

>Ziggurat Vertigo is one of the best maps in a FPS game
I haven't played that map in years, I need to go and verify that some day.

>On Youtube the Doom community is at its worst
Arguably true.

>HDoomguy has a better track record than Sgt Mark IV
Yes, but that's not exactly a high bar.

>>4852773
Agreed.

It's too fucking loud
Projectile spam obscures your vision too much
Dogshit compared to the other weapon using the same ammo type

>>4852841
But it sounds so GOOD

>>4852890
I'm gonna need a four digit number for that.

>>4852890
What's with the moustaches/giant nostrils?

>>4852914
>Screw the BFG just turn it into an umaker
An actual unpopular opinion

Alright cool dudes, I've just finished ultimate, 2, and final.

What should I play next?

>>4852938
hell revealed 1 and 2.

>>4852461
-Thy Flesh Consumed is more memorable than Episode 2 and 3
-Doom 2 is better than Doom 1 a little bit for its consistency and wacky gimmick maps
-Master Levels is underrated, should always be played as an episode
-Beautiful Doom is lousy, just a crap version of Smooth Doom
-D44M is better than 3 by alot

>>4852461
Brutal Doom is edgy shit for manchildren

>>4852938
Master levels and no rest for the living

>>4852914
As much as I like the BFG it's a shame that the Unmaker appeared in only 1 game and it was an exclusive.
Wolfenstein 3D added a flamethrower in one of its ports but never in Doom.
Maybe because demons live in hell so they wouldn't feel anything

>>4852948
>Master Levels
That's cruel.

>>4852934
That's nose shading with limited pixel space. Now this is a fuckin' mustache.

>>4852946
>>4852948
Skip Master Levels and play No Rest for the Living next.

>>4852938
>>4852948
Skip Master Levels and play No Rest for the Living next.

>>4852952
Blake Stone doesn't have nostrils like that, though? The only npcs with those dark pixels are those guards in blue uniform with actual moustaches.

So i finally managed to beat DUMP 1, after all this time.
It sucked, but i had fun.

>>4852968
Doesn't the first one only have like 12 maps? If that took you a long time, then good luck with the next two.

>>4852815
Carmack's quote is retarded when you realize
1: he's a programmer abd
2: Romero said Doomguy was meant to be you, yet everyone treats him as an actual character

>>4852962
They had pretty large mouths and defined noses. Everything about Blake's artstyle is pretty chunky compared to Doom.

>>4852802
> -Wolfenstein 3D is still playable to this day.
Yes, with the right TC
It's actually pretty neat and arcady.

>>4852951
>>4852958

What's wrong with master levels?

>>4852923
I think the only episode that really stands out of Nocturnal is Episode 5.It felt more fluid compared to 4 and 6.
But yeah after Hitler there is not that much,mainly because he's the highlight of the game.

There are mods that can increase the lifespan of the game such as Coffee Break and Spear Resurrection.

>>4852890
Uh, well, here I go I guess, if you're SpriteNoob, check out ChopBlock223 #1022
If you're not, please don't.

>>4852980
I think they're just really rough and and uneven in quality and feel (yet a lot of them have very similar aesthetics and texture choices).
You have some big name mappers in there, but this is obviously from before they got a hang for it.

>>4852981
I think that's why I ultimately find Rise Of The Triad to be a way more fulfilling game, because it takes everything about Wolfenstein 3D and turns it up to 11, including the arcade theme.
I still really like Wolf3D though.

>>4852972
I just had it sitting for a year. It only took me 1 and a half hours to beat

>>4852974
B-But it's a moustache..

>>4852497
>Metroid Dreadnought is unfinished because Term ran out of ideas

I didn't. The problem isn't ideas, ideas are a dime a dozen.

>>4852565

Yeah honestly, at this point it'd probably just be better to simply reboot it entirely. The Super Missile alt-fire code is especially, uh, interesting.
It was wonderful to get it working in Zandronum but boy howdy was it not really that feasible. Zandronum 1 had an extremely limited feature pool.

>>4852890
discord name is useless without the number

>megaWAD
>every level has 200+ enemies and takes an eternity to beat

The challenge is not quitting out of boredom!

>>4852891
True, but I don’t want to suffer through the abominations like Tricks or Traps or The Pit or Fucking Refueling Base to play Circle of Death.

>>4853048
We get it. You don't like slaughtermaps.

>>4852912
Yet, some tasteless Douk fags prefer dogturds like Movie Set or Fahrenheit over it.

>>4852461
Plutonia is overrated shit. Stopped caring after map3.

>>4853061
That's weird to me, those levels are not nearly as strong in really any manner.
Fahrenheit, outright, is a level where I get there, and I'm just "Oh, boy, it's THIS level, better get it over with."
While Derelict is one of them I always savor over.

>>4853052
Refueling Base and Tricks & Traps are some of the best maps in Doom 2. Fight me.

>>4853052
>>4853069
Refuelling Base is the best map in the game. For years in the early 00's it was my goto map to test mods for EDGE.
> actually warped to it to avoid the cliche map01 screenshot stream
Making the imps and zombies deadlier usually meant on a pistol start being driven back to the entrance and hiding in the secret alcove, and even having to kill imps who came in there. It was fun times and usually it was the Revenants down in the dark room that would kill me as they flowed out into the rest of the level.
Map10 is interesting and its Hard. You can rest but the way its designed is usually things will find you despite the non-wandering nature of doom monsters. And if you try to beat the level as opposed to just testing shit you have a nasty Cyber encounter to deal with (so the same map you're using to test, also includes a cyber to go test against too).

Circle of Death was one of my least favorite maps because it didnt provide any real leg room... its just a bunch of fucking juggling and a race to get away from the circle and into one of the alcoves so you can rest. And point of fact its pretty easy to pistol start CoD because of that shotgun at the bottom of the stairs. The stairs also make a good bottleneck.

> abominations like The Pit
ill agree with you on that, lack of falling damage in doom combined with not being able to look all the way up to the cieling just makes high vertical falls like this obnoxiously unrealistic in the extreme

>>4853090
>Making the imps and zombies deadlier usually meant on a pistol start being driven back to the entrance and hiding in the secret alcove
Dude, that's... why didn't I think of that? I need to do that with my new zombies. That place crawls with zombies!

>>4852802
>Quake monster roster is as good as the Doom Roster
It's better

>>4853103
>>4852461
While I'm at it. I hate a lot of well rated Quake maps because all they seem to do to add challenge is to throw a lot of monsters at the player as if it was Doom. That just doesn't work as well for Quake.

>>4853040
shorty1k#0688

>>4852841
I mosty agree but like a lot of people I forgive it because it sounds chunky
>>4852946
Only the D2>D1 and master level things are actual unpopular opinions I feel like

>>4852461
rocket launcher sucks

the archvile is the best monster in the game

modders should use github

>>4853098
It was long ago. The way I had it set up was imps had this string of fireballs they might be able to toss at you sorta at random, made to look similar to DBZ energy blasts. Most of those did like 1 or 2 dice but some of them did about 30 damage and you could get whomped with a string of this right in your face (it was random how much they fired, but the damage could exceed 100 for the train of them).

Zombies dropped an MP5k but they also fired quick 3 shot bursts too. The mp5k was a 6tic firing chaingun which was alright but with there being so many zombies you could take alot of hits.

I didnt have any good ideas for what to do with the pinkies so they were neglected in modding, but in recent times ive decided to give them a gravity arcing fireball attack (damage 6 dice). Having it limited range keeps pinkies and spectres from becoming range lobbers like imps and also allows them to be dangerous AF if they're crowded in a pit below you. Mainly did that with an ettin replacement for em because I was using A_Recoil to have em lunge at the player and this could toss them off ledges into pits... need a way for them to still stay relevant when they go down a ledge and this worked fine.
> by getting the fire arc just right, they can also be dangerous from above too. Gravity of 0.04 is a nice balloon like drift that allows it to go kinda slow, to avoid autoaiming shit just give the fireball a vertical velocity boost in its first spawn frame (including the NODELAY tag of course)

>>4853128
I didnt play master levels until recently when I picked up someone else's Wadsmoosh pk3 (since my wadsmoosh tool was never working properly).

Enforced pistol start every-single-level was stupid enough I just stopped after about 3 maps into it. I want the accomplishments of my previous level to carry over, regardless of the effects this has to the map pack as a whole. Feels like being stripped of hard fought trophies, sucks.

>>4852946
>D44M is better than 3 by alot
That's not unpopular, most people definitely prefer it over 3.
Just look at the amount of fanarts of Doom 4 with Doom 3 for example.

I'm running a doom 2 playthrough with samsara coop server if anyone wants to join.
[TSPG] Painkiller: /retroFPS/ DOOM 2/Samsara
pass is: how do you turn this on

>>4853108
The ones where you have to fight against groups of DeathKnights and Ogres. They have different patterns and movements compared to Doom monsters.

And don't get me started when they send you multiple Vores.

Honest question: what's all the hate for Brutal Doom / Project Brutality? I fucking love Project Brutality. The controls are perfect, the variety of weapons and monsters is amazing, replaying the old levels and other WADs with this mod just feels like a completely satisfying, new experience and I love every minute of it.

I realize that it's not like vanilla at all, but I honestly don't mind. Like I said, this is a completely different experience. If I wanted something more "authentic" I'd go with Chocolate Doom or something similar.

I know some people consider it "edgy" for some reason - vanilla Doom was edgy in its own right ~25 years ago - but the visual alterations in these mods (more blood, gibs, etc.) is the least important aspect for me. I understand that the mods take gore to an excessive level, but this is only a cosmetic issue which can simply be tuned down in the menu.

On the other hand, the mods' game mechanics (jumping, kicking, crouching, sliding, grenades, executions, new weapons, new powerups, new monsters, new behavior patterns and attacks for monsters, etc...) offer a fuckton of new strategies and playstyles to explore. What's there to be mad about?

>>4852537
People complain about regular wads becoming boring slaughter. But wads like Vanguard are very well-respected.

>>4853167
Vanguard MAP11 is garbage.

>>4853164
because sgt mark vii and his fans are douches.
Don't remember PB being hated though

>>4853167
Vanguard MAP12 is garbage.
wrong number oops

>>4852923
> Rise Of The Triad
Unfortunately that's not as convinient to play as Wolf3D
Wolf3D actually has an extremely faithful Total Conversion on GZDoom engine (with all interface and sounds replaced, all of the Wolf3D mechanics (even doors and secret walls work just like they do in original Wolf) and all of the 9 episodes. And it has more modern features like automap and widescreen)
But ROTT doesn't have that. Sure, There is a TC called Return of the Triad, but it's not a remake/port, it doesn't have original levels.

>>4852980
They're okay levels but nowhere near the quality of the other official wads (or many of the community's wads).

>>4853176
there are several wolf3D TCs... which one is the one to get?

>>4853162
It's always fucking Death Knight lmao.
Imo Quake monsters work best when used in relatively low numbers but properly integrated into the level geometry and other monsters. A well placed Shambler-Vore combo will always be harder and more fun than a bunch of Death Knights or Ogres for example.
Doom with it's reduced options in level design and less tanky monsters works much better with a ton of enemies.

>>4853176
>Unfortunately that's not as convinient to play as Wolf3D
I don't see how. Just run ROTT in a sourceport like you would Wolf3D.

>Wolf3D actually has an extremely faithful Total Conversion on GZDoom engine (with all interface and sounds replaced, all of the Wolf3D mechanics (even doors and secret walls work just like they do in original Wolf)
I've seen that, yeah.

>and all of the 9 episodes
I don't really have the stomach for all of those anymore, tbhfam.

>And it has more modern features like automap and widescreen)
ROTT has automap, and the sourceport I used has widescreen.

>>4853164
Most of the hate in mainly because of the creator of BD and the fans. Who held the mod as "the perfect way to play Doom". Which is not true at all because it tends to make at least 90% of the maps unbalanced.
Also the amount of features that are not really polished and overall it feels cluttered sometimes.
I don't hate the mod, I really like it but far from being the best

>>4853140
What's that palette you are using?

>>4853108
I was just playing DOPA and the techbase levels do this weird thing where they throw like 20+ dogs, grunts, & enforcers at you at once. I guess that was their attempt at making tech levels challenging using only theme-appropriate monsters. It's not hard though, just a slog. Scourge Of Armagon had the right idea with its centroids, a more challenging techbase enemy.

>>4853185
This is the best so far
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4608
Or if you want to play the levels on the Doom engine play this
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=48518

>>4852843
>>4852973
Huh. Didn't exactly expect non-hostile responses for those 'bad' opinions.
Thanks guys!

>>4852891
<-- Mine's tastier.

>playing Doom and listening to music
>listening to anything but doom metal

>>4853195
That reminds me I still have never touched the expansions while having played tons of mods.
I guess I wouldn't mind enemy spam as much with dogs and grunts as they're easy to kill.

>>4853185
This one, the Consolidated Wolfenstein 3D TC:
https://www.afadoomer.com/wolf3d/downloads.html
You can even use mods with it, although I haven't really experimented with that. Atleas I recommend using Ketchup, to make grinding nazis into mush more satisfying.

>>4853187
> ROTT in a sourceport
There's only one sourceport, WinROTT. And it's sister WinROTT GL
And it's... meh. I guess I just want it play like GZDoom too much...

> ROTT has automap
And it's pretty shitty to be honest.
There are no enemy and secret counter. And it doesn't even show secrets.

I actually played through the first level, and it was fun, but I couldn't get all the secrets, so I just... Stopped playing...

>>4853207
I thought you could play ROTT on Ecwolf too.

>>4853207
ROTT has like, a lot of secrets, just like Wolf3D, and honestly, you don't really need to go find them all.

WinROTT GL isn't perfect though, I'll say that.

>>4853213
You can?

>>4853206
Scourge Of Armagon is really good, easily on the same tier as the original Quake. Dissolution Of Eternity is very good too, although I don't like the lazy new weapon types.

>>4852640
When used future is done right, it looks like og star wars. When its done wrong, you get world of brown.

>>4853215
Nope

>>4853174
>>4853190
I see. So basically most of the hate isn't towards the BD mod itself, but the creator/community.

But what did this guy do to piss off the rest of the Doom community so badly? I know he attempted to place IRL gore into the game for more "realistic" gibs some time ago (a ridiculous idea imo) but is there any other reason behind his bad reputation?

>>4852759
>>Wolfenstein 3D has much more satisfying combat than Doom
youre entitled to ytour opinion and all that but this is literally the wrongest thing ive ever read in my life

>>4853242
Pretty much just told someone attention whoring about suicide to kill themselves and told them how to do it to shut them up. So pretty much nothing at all but the normies froth at the mouth in rage over these things.

>>4853246
I can see the machinegun being better than the normal chaingun.

>>4853164
The mod itself is too overpraised for what might as well be a techdemo for a feature inspired by the Doom comic
And despite its flaws in terms of coding, game design, feature bloat or the blood not even looking good anymore, it even puts a shadow over mods that are better, even if they're not flawless or get overrated a bit too

>>4852640
>What the hell is this game and why havent I ever seen it or heard about it?
Chasm The Rift? It's an odd game. The engine is all flat like Wolfenstein, yet the enemies are all 3d models and even have multiple dismemberment states/animations. It looks & feels pretty good but the level design is poor.

>>4853242
It's mostly the fact that the mod got too popular so naturally this place has to hate it and everyone that dares to ask if a wad is compatible with it.

>>4853247
Sounds like you think that's a good thing.

>>4853249
I really think it's hard to argue for that.

Which song do you think are under-appreciated? Not just Doom ones.
-I think Deep in the Code is amazing, it's energic and catchy.
-Evil Incarnate, it supposed to be used in Wolfenstein 3D(in fact you hear it in the Wolfenstein level).It lives to its name, it sounds so menacing.
- Ziggurat Vertigo, a popular level I know but I think it fits with the zero gravity theme of the map.
- System Shock 1 Flight Deck, it sounds powerful and one of the most immersive in the game.

>playing Doom and listening to music
>listening to anything but MF Doom

>>4853284
Carpenter Brut is also a good choice.

>>4852461
none of the guns in doom feel actually powerful and the SSG is overrated.

>>4853273
Evil Incarnate is the song used in the final level of Spear of Destiny, where you fight the Angel of Death in what appears to be Hell.
The song's usage in Doom II, a game where you fight demons from Hell overtaking earth, is just everything coming full circle.

love live Doom.

>>4852947
I don't think that's an unpopular opinion unless you're a Doom newfag.

>>4853294
First really controversial one I feel
I can understand it, but I don't agree

>>4853294
nothing sprite-based ever actually feels powerful because it's all so clunky and fake looking
even low poly 3D feels better than pure 2d-in-3d-view

>>4853160
sorry I had to leave early bro. thanks for hosting, it was fun.

>>4853319
Vasyan detected.

>>4853338
what?

>>4853330
it was nice, but i forgot how ridiculous things get in nightmare.
The server is still open if anybody wants to join

>>4853301

>>4853246
The enemies are a lot less spongier while still feeling like more of a threat. The guns feel and sound more powerful in Wolfenstein. Compare both versions of the chaingun or even the standard Wolfenstein machine gun to Doom's weak-sauce chain gun. Even the standard Wolfenstein pistol is fun to use and still feels like it can pack a wallop.

Compare the standard Wolfenstein guards to Doom's zombiemen. They may go down easily, but a few sneaking up behind you and shooting you in the back can mean death if you're not careful. On the other hand, zombiemen aren't much more than a nuisance unless you're running low on health.

One area where Doom does beat Wolfenstein (besides obvious things like the level design and larger roster of enemies) is the inclusion of the shotgun. It feels great to use with blowing away low-level monsters like imps and all the former human enemies.
>>4853273
TNT: Evilution had a few great tracks like "Death's Bells," "Into the Beast's Belly," and "Blood Jungle."

In Doom II there's "Between Levels," which is just a basic twelve-bar blues track but with nice drums. Something about the progression and harmonic buildup is enjoyable to me. You could put "Zero Hour" from Wolfenstein in that category too, but that one feels more tense.

Wolfeinstein 3D also had "The Nazi Rap," which always gets my blood pumping.

>>4852461
- say whatever you want about its map design, but Doom 4 has the best combat feel out of any Doom game.
- Doom 3's biggest mistake was by far that it meandered for wayy too long. it could've used being 10 maps shorter.
- fully upgraded Unmaker > BFG, period.
- the 32-map megawad format Doom 2 introduced was a fucking mistake and the game is shit just because of it. it means mapsets overstay their welcome for far too long, and very quickly as well. it should've kept the 8-level episode format from the first game. death exits don't excuse it.
- I can't play Doom without Smooth Doom + perk's sound mod + a custom HUD.

>>4852685
same. the novelty wears off really quickly for like 98% of the gameplay mods I try. the only ones still draw my attention towards them to this day and are still entertaining to play with are Demonsteele, DRLA, Nazis, Colourful Hell, Hideous Destructor, and Johnny Doom. of course Smooth Doom is king.

>>4853294
The guns work in vanilla Doom 1 and 2, but I actually kind of agree with this as someone who's played copious amounts of custom maps.

When you play a lot of maps that are way harder than vanilla, you start to see the critical faults popping up in the weapons the higher the difficulty level and monster amounts get.
>normal shotgun is basically useless
>SSG chokes on the sheer amount of high-hp enemies
>chaingun is severely underpowered and only marginally useful for sniping low hp enemies, cleaning up a constant trickle of hitscanners, and sometimes stunlocking arachnotrons and meatball demons
>RL's explosion aoe is too small and is positioned in a way it doesn't penetrate behind the target and wastes a lot of the aoe's size, aoe is way too small when dealing with wide fat hitbox enemies
>plasma continuously blows your eardrums out of your fucking asshole and is useful in only extremely marginal situlations after getting the actually good cell gun
>BFG chokes on the huge crowds because the tracers don't railgun through targets and there's no actual explosion

>>4852461
>>4852773
The Doom 64 plasma rifle is shit, and made even less useful after when you get a hold of the unmaker at the first possible occurrence.

>>4853284
>Playing Hexen: Beyond Heretic
>Listening to anything but Hexen

>>4853284
got more soul than a sock with a hole

>>4852461
Software lightning is king. GL lightning ruins the atmosphere.
>>4853352
>- say whatever you want about its map design, but Doom 4 has the best combat feel out of any Doom game.
I would say it's better than any Quake game too.

>>4853347
and it's dead now. another day maybe

How do I make GZDoom look as rough and grainy as original doom?

>>4853385
Software rendering in the options

>>4853381
>I would say it's better than any Quake game too.
I would say you are a moron so I'll just call you wrong.

blood on glove but not on punch dagger

>>4853390
gottem

>>4853390
Rude.
I think Quake's enemies are more boring overall and the guns feel worse. The areas you fight enemies in are rather more boring too, even if I like the movement. And nuDoom really encourages you to get in.

I admit I didn't really play Quake 4, but I doubt that's why you're disagreeing, is it.

https://strawpoll.com/ka8p5f93

>>4853393
SEESDAGGERS

>>4853425
> noodle based lifeform

>>4852667
>>4852438
Probably the only person doing what you are doing. If you run into issues, you can't blame anyone for not telling the right people.

>>4853425
WE

>>4853425
Those tits with that armor texture don't look natural at all.
...and her goddamn face look like the Wicked Witch of the West, except not green.

>>4852783
I would replace Occupied territory and Lunar reactor with Duke burger and Mirage barrage for variety.

But all these maps have one thing in common. They have a depressive dark atmosphere with lots of dark gray and dark green colours.

>>4853425
jesus christ how HUHifying

>>4853434
are the ancient runes!
we'll always save the day!

>>4853443
Ranger HUHniverse

>>4853443
>>4853456
fuck you guys why the fuck am I laughing

Guess I'm gonna go back to working on the E1M1 clone so at least one map is done for a damn change.
If reception is well, I'll carry on to the rest.

DUH

>>4853470
URF

>>4853469

>>4853478

>>4853480

>>4853483

Why does Pirate Doom have such poor performance for me? Is it all the hats the imps have or something?

>>4853485
Blame new GZDoom updates.

We all know the only acceptable music to listen to while playing Doom and it's so obvious I shouldn't have to say it

>>4853494
The Ed Edd n Eddy soundtrack

>>4853504
looks like he's doing the splits in the thumbnail

What's your favourite hud? And mugshots?

http://listenonrepeat.com/watch/?v=JvKPg96uJQI
likely going to use the 17-52 segment
this will make more logical sense if/when e1m2, where it just transitions to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOeIgi4VUcw

>>4853512
what is that from?

>>4853535
From Zrift-Chasm in Doom

>PrBoom+ is on Sourceforge
Damn
Is SF still doing the whole shady shit with the adware and shit?

>>4852461
>I like Brutal Doom but only v20c on Doom 1
>Doom 2 TWID is hands down the best map pack for Doom as a whole. Period.
>I want as much detail in terms of sprites/character models as possible. Say what you will, I love the amount of gore and detail in Brutal Doom. For Quake 1 I use the Chillo models whenever I can.
>Blood is the only Build Engine game I like and even then I can only tolerate it for a short period of time. Uninstalled Death Wish because I couldn't figure out how to get it running properly
>Quake 2 would be 10x better if they had better enemy variety

>>4853494
24/7 J-Idol radio

>>4853547
They got bought by another company and stopped that shit.

>>4853550
>Uninstalled Death Wish because I couldn't figure out how to get it running properly
With BloodGDX all you have to do is place it in your Blood directory and select user maps -> death wish from the start menu

>>4853508
cannot unsee

>>4853494
death grips and swans

>>4852483
Evilution's level design hasn't aged well. Plutonia will always be one of my favorite wads tho.

>>4853512
I like the Ancient Aliens hud from Final Doomer a lot. I really prefer full bottom status bar huds to keep that classic feel while still looking good.

>>4852461
>I think KDiZD was pretty fun wad. I have completed it 3 times and will complete it for 4th time this summer.
>I even liked a few of ZPack levels. (There's also lot of crap there tho.)
>Phobos: Anomaly Reborn is one of my all time favorite wads.

How do I remove the firing delay on the shotgun

>>4853494
Right, anime OPs.

>>4853567
I always thought plutonia was mediocre.

>>4853602
comment out the SHTG A 3 state above the A_FireShotgun line.

>>4853603
Speaking of anime, the Berserk soundtrack actually fits, no joke.

>>4852485
you mean vanilla doom? Doom retro isn't a common term now, is it?

I've heard normies say Doom started with Doom 2016 unironically

>>4852461
>Rocket launcher>plasmagun
>I'd actually like, if not love brutal doom if the balancing was good, there were a lot less bugs and spaghetti code, and if it's creator and his fans weren't terrible people.
>Plasmagun is obsolete once you get the BFG

>medium-large sized map in hideous destructor
>0-5 FPS drops every second or so with the game not responding at all
just what the fuck is happening?

what did you do, vaecrius?

>>4852950
>Wolfenstein 3D added a flamethrower
Which was pretty much a plasma rifle.

>>4853627
>>Rocket launcher>plasmagun
Thats not unpopular at all
>>4853630
SPAGETTHI

>>4852923
Spear of Destiny could've really used a new weapon.

>>4853550
People never want to give the man credit for it but Brutal Doom's sprite work and death animations are really detailed and well done. If I could get those animations with just normal blood that looks like classic Doom blood splats I'd be really happy. I think the blood effects in it clash too much with how everything else looks. If they looked pixelated like classic doom blood it'd be some good shit to me. I still enjoy Brutal and Project Brutality. People hating the mod because they don't like Mark or the fans of it is pretty silly. That's just people, that doesn't have anything to do with the content itself.

>>4852802
>Quake monster roster is as good as the Doom Roster
I just wish there was a bit more variety to it, because otherwise I prefer them over a roster that's mostly composed of "thing that throws slow fireballs".

>>4853554
Still didn't work. I know on the first level you're supposed to get a Tesla Gun to kill the giant grey gargoyle but I never get the cultists to spawn with them.

>>4853258
Uma delicia, Marcos!

thats cool

>>4852497
>never played dreadnought, too busy catching up on canon metroid games
>neo doom is my second favorite doom, second only to Doom 1
>arcane dimensions beats almost everything for Quake 1, definitely in terms of atmosphere
>darkplaces is kinda bad
>final doom is kinda overrated

other opinions:

>demonsteele>high noon drifter
>Doom > Doom 2016 > Doom II > Plutonia > TNT > Doom 3 > Doom 64
>slaughter maps are not fun unless you run a mod made for them
>brutal doom is just okay, but project brutality is better in a dozen different ways
>techbase levels are fun because they base themselves around careful map design and not unique map design
>Shadow Warrior Classic Redux>Blood>Duke Nukem 3D
>Quake 3 Arena had a fun, albeit simple, single-player mode with great atmosphere and sound design all around
>cheating in Doom can sometimes make shitty maps much more enjoyable
>pistol starts are fun, but not necessary at all
>remade games in the doom engine are usually shit. especially ZBlood.

>>4853365
>RL's explosion aoe is too small
Hell no, if anything it's way too easy to blow yourself up with it. If anything, the real problem is how fucking fat the actual rockets are, which often leads to the previous issue. Thank goodness they fixed that by Quake.

>>4853494
I listened to doom music while playing touhou once. Nobody said I can't do the same in reverse.

>>4852773
I don't know why, but I love the fact that it's loud as shit. It sounds harsh.
also, it's good. it's not BFG good, it's not SSG good, but it's about chaingun good.

>>4853673
>but it's about chaingun good
so it's not good

>playing Neo Doom
>pick up an alpha machine gun
>"The Handgun!"
>works like a shotgun

>>4853665
>demonsteele > high noon drifter

I don't understand, Demonsteele is a full on gameplay changer but all Drifter changes is the guns and some of the power ups. I don't know how you even compare these to each other. The only other melee focused mod I can think of is GMOTA and if I had to choose between GMOTA and Demonsteele I'd choose GMOTA every time.

>>4853682
Neodoom and the Br community itself is overrated

>>4853671
It's big enough to blow yourself up, but too small to be good against a crowd of fat fucks or even slightly scattered flying enemies.

Atleast it's not Strife's minirocket launcher where the explosion is too small to do literally anything, but just big enough to fuck your own face in a split second.

>>4853665
I thought ZBlood was pretty good. Even if I didn't play the original that much it just couldn't compare.

About Quake 3, It's a common opinion to best honest.The sound of the Rocket Launcher might be my favourite.

>>4852497
>the classic doom pistol is way too fucking weak and needs to be at least 2.5x stronger
>the shotgun has a really lame and weak sound effect and is absolutely not satisfying to shoot

If the chaingun is so bad, how would you improve it without making it too OP for the slot it has in the weapon hierarchy (which means no crazy firerate that gives it DPS closer to the plasma rifle)?

>>4853712
Double fire rate but every other bullet doesn't cause pain chance to not alter stunlocking mechanics. It's the gun that shoots fast, the only way to make it better is to make it shoot faster and the plasma rifle should be changed along with it because it's bad too.

>>4853710
Frankly I'd prefer if they had given you a starting weapon closer in power to the Wolfenstein machine gun and upgraded the chaingun to be closer in fire rate to the one in that game too. Ditch the pistol altogether, it worked in Wolfenstein because you were mostly facing comparatively fragile Nazis, but in Doom it feels way too underpowered.

>>4853712
Make it an assault rifle
Or give it crazy firerate that gives it DPS closer to the plasma rifle but make it slow you down or something
Revamping the Plasma Rifle also isn't a bad idea
>>4853710
Giving the pistol fire as fast as you click capability would fix it, besdes the sound
>>4853665
>>Quake 3 Arena had a fun, albeit simple, single-player mode with great atmosphere and sound design all around
Fuck that, UT's was way better

>>4853719
>Double fire rate but every other bullet doesn't cause pain chance to not alter stunlocking mechanics.
Isn't that pretty much how the Skulltag minigun works?

>>4853039
hence why i said that it would be better if someone could update it and remove the zand code, but yours is better
D4D and D4T Code fits perfectly with Dreadnought, Space Hunter is kino too for it

>>4852890
since the old thread died right as I posted, I say it again; welcome back, we missed you.

>>4853730
what do you mean by D4D and D4T code fits with Breadknot and Spas Honter?

>>4853687
i was comparing them because they're both terminus mods
also, gmota is not as good as demonsteele.

>>4853630
IT'S PAYNE
WHACK HIM

>>4853712
It's not bad, I just want it to have a better firing sound. The N64 version for example felt great with it's meatier sounding bang.

>>4853680
>>4853673
It's better than the chaingun, you have a larger ammo pool, you have a higher rate of fire, and it does far more damage per shot.
In deathmatch, the volley of projectiles can actually be disorienting, as you can cover half your opponent's field of view with plasma.

It's pretty much the heavy machinegun role of Doom, and it's almost a shame it shares it's ammopool with the BFG, because it makes people hesitate against using it.

>>4852890
this Blakestone style is serving you good

There are more Doom 4 gameplay mods than there are characters in the One Piece manga.

>>4853763
The god mode doomguy in the back never fails to make me laugh

>>4853741
>gmota not as good as demonsteele

You're right, GMOTA is much better than Demonsteele.

>>4853763
I wasn't aware D44M was moddable

>>4853712
Use the alpha/beta SMG sprites, make it hit one single point harder than the pistol, and let you fire single shots.
Optionally, boost the rate of fire by 1 tic, and then make it so every 50 rounds fired, there's a brief reloading animation, like the Duke Nukem 3D pistol.

Comparatively, make the Plasma hit a few points harder, but it has no reload pause (to set it apart from the subgun), also it doesn't share ammo with the BFG9000, thus giving you a strong incentive to use it.

>>4853737
D4D and D4T Code for Randomized Drops, powerup spawns and upgrades, also upgrades.

Space Hunter itself someone could do a wad to replace the Space hunter ones with dreadnought, but no one ever made Samus hand skins

>>4853772
>D4D and D4T Code for Randomized Drops, powerup spawns and upgrades, also upgrades.
that would actually be really cool with dreadnought, yeah

it'd be hell to actually implement but it'd be a great way to slide in more metroid stuff

Is there a good weapon sounds mod that makes them all a lot louder and more satisfying? I've looked and found one that gives high def versions of the sounds but I'm looking for a more drastic change.

Anyone else who played Doom 1's first episode as a kid, and thought that the dark room at the end of e1m8, was some sort of bonus stage? I remember developing all kinds of strats in my head for getting to kill all enemies in the room, because I thought there would some reward for it.

>>4853563
damn 10/10 taste

huhhuhhuh, what an mess

>>4853839
first map?

>>4853839
Miring that advanced architecture

>>4853843
>>4853845
it was from a random speedmap pack probably made as a joke considering it was just a room full of shamblers

>>4853494
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjgRrg19_Bc

>>4853847
When are we building the /vr/ doom mansion?

>>4853852
only if we put you-know-who in the basement

>when you have to take a strong painkiller for an abscess and it makes you feel all weird and emotional and you're suddenly hit by a feeling of appreciation for the doom general posters

Y'all are some good lads.

>>4853665
this was my post, and I thought neo doom meant doom 2016
I was not aware neo doom was a mod name, and I apologize.

>>4853856
Your mother getting doubleteamed by Cygnus and Blaz?

>>4853705
Strife's rocket launcher was balanced in this way:
>less splash damage
>way more ammo

Clearly, it's meant to be used for direct hits.

>>4853856
but the basement is a high-traffic area on the way to hell
attics are usually empty

but who gets the glass room with a box of perfectly throwable rocks next to the bed

>>4853140
I changed the wadsmoosh file so it wouldnt pistol start you every time. I dont think the PS3 release does that. I used this guide for my first playthru of it. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=169466324 makes it a good expierience

I like to think of hideous destructor as a 'what if' scenario of sorts where instead of doomguy being enlisted for the army corps, they got the most unlucky, slow, literal babbling overweight autist who ever lived.

think of it as a army PSA, for drill sergeants and gun instructors. this is NOT what you want in your platoon.

>>4853865
I love you too.

>>4853870
It's balanced in the way all Strife weapons are, by being awful and unwieldy in atleast some way.

>>4853865
<3

some of you are alright
don't go to doomworld tomorrow

>>4853873
Which is why it's perfect for them so they can slap a billion voremouths on the hell tunnels.

Is mapping for Half-Life hard? Working in a 3D space sounds daunting.

What's your favourite E1M1/MAP01 of all time?

For me, it's gotta be Epic 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gj7n3JOw4c
I like the peaceful music and exploring the catacombs for a bit before any combat. A nice gentle introduction.

>>4853908
you put boxes around, resize and reshape them
put stuff in the hollow inside area and you're done
more time consuming than sector mapping, but if you want verticality, brush mapping is the way to go

Any good source ports compatible with PPC Macs? Just picked up this 1st gen mac mini and put OS9 on it just to play my copy of Ultimate Doom (as well as get the soundtrack and patches off it), but the screen is confined to this tiny little box. Runs like a raped imp, though.

>>4853913
I like Hellebarde's first level a lot. It doesn't have a peaceful intro unfortunately but I think it's a good looking map with good flow.

>>4853741
I agree. Could never get into GMOTA.
Demonsteele is just a blast.

>>4853284
>not listening to OSDM and Goregrind

>>4853284
>not listening to soft and slow saxophone and piano jazz while you play doom

You're missing out.

>>4853970
Don't worry, it's not his own blood. He's just napping.

>>4853973

>>4853494
aphex twin and going down go together like peanut butter and chocolate.

honestly when I'm really enjoying Doom, I don't really enter some fast-paced frenzy, it's more of some sort of subconscious trance where I'm effortlessly weaving in and out of projectiles like some sort of zen master with a shotgun. for that, sludge metal fits the bill perfectly, because it's brutal and heavy while still being slow and methodical. slow and fat is best. anything else is too distracting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulr9Fbj3BQM

plus it really encapsulates the mindset doomguy must have at this point after fighting demons nonstop for decades. it's not fun or fast or intense anymore, it's like the only thing keeping him alive and sane anymore is a heavy grudge slowly shoving him forward like a massive boulder. pretty metal

>>4854003
this song especially perfectly encapsulates what doomguy must be feeling at this point.

>I've died before so many times
>In time reborn, in time I'll find
>This war inside has drained my will
>Those things I've done were overkill
>I've felt the pain of a brutal war
>I feel the pain of a lasting war

>>4853989
Damn, that's some good looking shit. What's it from?

>>4854024
Upcoming stuff for Hunter's Moon, the actual maps are kinda retarded at maximum levels in navigation so i am going to replace them with new ones that are more straightforward.

>>4854032
Ah, I tried to play Hunter's Moon but it clashed so much with Doom's maps that I couldn't get into it. I'll give it another shot when that map pack specifically for it is out.

>>4853989

The thumbnail made it look like a ^_^ face.

>>4854040
It's fine, and the map pack is actually released, but currently there are only 3 maps which 2 is stupid in navigation.

friendship ended with smoothdoom
now GMOTA is my favorite mod

>>4853616
The final level will have Forces as the music.
>tfw there will never be a wad where you play as Guts, tearing through the denizens of Hell, along with Hexen and Heretic compatibility.

>>4853643
Adolf Hitler should have summoned his Persona.

>>4853989
What's this from?

>>4854059
Why is walk speed so slow in Hunter's Moon? What do I change in slade to fix it back to normal Doom speed?

>>4854069
GMOTA is that good shit. That dope shit. So sick. So chill. So ill. So raw.

>>4853494
Yes.
Steely Dan

Do you prefer to say it as Doom, DOOM, or DooM?

>>4854082
See >>4854032

>>4854086
It is very slow to fit the moving speed of the character's legs when doing it, honestly, it is also to demotivate players in play with autorun disabled as that is not the intention of the main gameplay (walking just makes you be absolutely destroyed by the monsters).

>>4854093
doom

>>4854003
>slow and fat

>>4854093
dOOm

>>4854093
dOoM

>>4854091
I GOT YOUR PICTURE
*boom, ch-ck, AARGH*
YOUR NAME AND LOTS OF MONEYY
*doom door open sound, glglllglg, roaaar*

>>4853494
slayer and alice in chains.

or nick drake with doom's sound off.

>>4854093
DOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <--- me bein random again ^_^ hehe...

>>4854123

>>4853624
he means the doom retro port you dingus

>>4852815
I don't know for certain but I have a feeling the modding community wouldn't have happened had it been the story based seemlesly interconnected levels they had originally planned for.

>>4853425
What does her HUUH sound like?

>>4854147
BRAAAAAAAAAAAAP

Does /vr/ still have an IRC channel? or has Discord ruined that as well.

>>4854152

>>4854154
it does, nobody posts anything in it anymore

>>4854093

MooM

I'm getting an error trying to start ZRift. I'm retarded and don't quite know what this means or how to fix it.

Script error, "Pan-ZRift v0.2.pk3:zscript.txt" line 2:
Version mismatch. 3.4.0 expected but only 3.3.0 supported

>>4854093
DOOD.

>>4854175
>Version mismatch. 3.4.0 expected but only 3.3.0 supported
Uh...
What version of GZDoom are you using?

>punching monsters into giblets with smoothdoom

>>4854154
There's an IRC in the pastebin, it's dead. Don't believe there's any demand for a Discord server either, not that people start shit here already fine without a scapegoat and that regular modders that come here likely use ZDoom forums or a server of their own.

>>4854182
I'm using version 3.3.2. I could get version 3.3.0 if it needs exactly that one. What confuses me is the 3.4 expected but only 3.3 supported.

>>4854185
Discord always spawns cancerous behavior.

>>4854196
we get it, you want another epic boogyman

>>4854201
I really don't.

>>4854194
Does 3.4 even exist yet?

>>4854093
Dium

so I'm trying out zrift now.

is the actual game this fucking cheap with its monsters or is it just RNG being a bitch? every single one of them deals insane amounts of damage. I can't know what their attack patterns are since they all look and move around the exact same way and their sounds all mesh together with the sole exception of the grunts, so I can't tell which one of them I'm fighting before I walk into a room.

there's like six variants of the same grunt enemy and like four different fucking types of ogres. fire ogre. cannonball ogre. lion head ogre. tech ogre. executor ogre. or at least I believe they are ogres, frankly I can't tell because they all behave the exact same, and every single one of them is an uncreative bulletsponge.

>>4854196
It's one possible source, yes. Plenty of other generals however seem to be fine with starting their own bullshit exclusively in their own threads that can be just as bad, and really how many times is it actually some thread shitters being shits instead?

>>4854205
Yeah, it just came out not too long ago. I got 3.4.0 and Zrift works just fine now. I don't know why it says only 3.3.0 supported.

>>4854221
I hate bullet sponges so I always play Doom and any mods with the Custom Doom mod to give myself 2x damage and in the options menu I always turn off autoaim and enable double ammo. It's fun for me, that's all I care about.

>>4854154
What happened to the halcyon days of /vr/ constantly making new mods and playing together almost every night? When you could fire up Doomseeker and see six or seven /vr/ servers with people in them? I've been gone for a few years myself, did it dry up overnight, or did the shine wear off gradually and slowly?
Those Canaan days we used to know, where have they gone, where did they go?

>>4854246
Ammo starvation is cancer anyway

tweaktweaktweak

Does anyone have the herian2 wad that they can upload to mixtape? Every time I try to extract the herian2 folder I get an error. It doesn't happen with anything else, only the herian2 zip.

>>4854256
The IRC dropped off, Best-Ever is kill, Zandronum is now very behind GZDoom in features, more people are likely busier with their lives, and overtime players and modders alike started to more gravitate towards single player content as more of it is made for GZDoom.

The UAC Ultra wad is great for Zrift, looks like Quake's world of brown and fits it perfectly. Does anyone know of other maps that use these textures?

Get up out of that goddamn bed and play some Doom you rascals. There's no time to be sleeping.

>>4854294
but im working on this map

>>4854256

There isn't really one single pivoting point for /vr/, it was really just a series of things chipping bits and pieces off.
It was a bit of Jenobyl, it was a bit of Zandronum lagging behind, it was a bit of Discord, it was a bit of 8ch, it was a bit of people getting sick of faggotry, there's not really one singular point to stick with.

As mentioned before, Discord came and splintered IRC. Discord was supposed to be a Skype replacement, but IRC got hit as well with a lot of people ended up jumping ship. Yeah, Discord's run by fucking memekids and it's one big botnet, but a chat program's usefulness is 100% based upon how many people you want to talk to are using it. There were a couple attempts at making /vr/ servers, but they never caught on.
Community-wise, there's always been a flux of people coming and going. Some people got tired of Doom and decided to play other games. Some people got tired of the community and decided to move on. Some people graduated, got jobs, got lives, got girlfriends/wives, and couldn't be a part of our group anymore.
There's also that /doom/ got significantly more mainstream. As was pointed out before, with our own guys starting to make a lot more content and get recognized by others, we've got newfags coming to 4chan and trying to fit in. I feel partially responsible for this, but I still wouldn't remove the 4chan credits from any of my older mods. Back then you guys were invaluable for testing, help, and feedback.

All good things must come to an end, dude. Simple as that.
We did a lot. We made a lot. We were felt all over the different communities. We have a lot of good memories. And those will last forever, at least.
Here's to you, Eric, Nig Bick Digger, Vince, Mike, scroton, Pancake, Mystical, The2008Lions, Cookie, Roman, ijon, charcola, DrVonFungi. Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, hope you're doing well, you glorious bastards.

>>4854297
memo bis punitor delicatum it's all there black and white, clear as crystal.

>>4854295
Show me what you're working on my main man.

>>4854297
>Eric, Nig Bick Digger, Vince, Mike, scroton, Pancake, Mystical, The2008Lions, Cookie, Roman, ijon, charcola, DrVonFungi
All of those people are gone now? All of them?

>>4854308
out of that list, the only one i think is still around is cookiejar

some of them are gone (a3 got really assmad at roman so accused him of having child porn), some have moved on to different games (eric plays dark souls), some have moved onto doing different things entirely (mystical draws porn on tumblr)

>>4854307
see
>>4854263
>>4853484
to>>4853469
and >>4853528

>>4854321
: )

>>4854321
I like the glowing slime. I see that glowing slime and glowing lava in some mods but is there a stand alone mod that makes the slime/lava and light post decorations glow?

>>4854308
Ijon was still working on DAKKA, I thought Eric and Scroton were still around somewhat. Meanwhile Terminus is still making mods and GMOTAguy renamed himself and had finally put his mod into a 1.0 release after overhauling it and making other stuff.

>>4854357
not sure

>>4854364
Reminds me of Strife's poison effects, only not as muddy.
Very aesthetic.

>>4854364
Oh, okay then.

Punisher Doom.

>>4854093
damn

>>4854256
>playing together almost every night?
I've been trying to revive that. I've gotta admit it's difficult. Maybe i should fire up servers for other games, maybe Quake.

>think im getting good at hideous destructor
>ketchup was just replacing the monsters
haha it was fun while it lasted

>>4854407
If you want some blood without messing with the monsters get droplets.

>>4854357
dhtp is supposed to have an addon that does it, you can just not load the hi-res textures i think.

>>4854284
ndcp2, sunlust, zaero, and utnt

>>4854297
F

>>4852692
It's designed for it.
Both mods have compatibility stuff for each other.

>>4854361
>dakka

Man, I never heard about this weapon mod before. I'm trying it out now and it's great. I love the scoring system it has and the weapons feel good to use. They have a nice punch and feel to them.

>>4854297
Don't be sad an era ends, be happy you were here for all of it. I'm proud to have been here in the early days and along with the ride. I owe a lot to these threads and this specific part of this weird fucking community.
Besides, just because something ends doesn't mean it won't ever happen again. There will always be people that wanna play multiplayer doom here, and it wouldn't take that much to get more to go along with that.
The only thing I worry about is as old blood leaves, hopefully the new blood aren't completely comprised of faggots.

Regardless, I'm grateful for these threads and you fucking nerds.

Bad blood out
Good blood in

At some point the oldies are going to get bitter with absolutely anybody who isn't godly at mapping.

>>4854430
I've only played single player since I got into this a year ago. I still don't know how to join or host servers, especially ones using mods. It's more complicated than jumping into something like a Battlefield match. I'm also worried I won't be able to keep up with the vets. I play using normal walk speed most of the time unless I need to dodge something or get over a gap/through a door quickly. My twitch aiming skills are really bad too so I wouldn't be able to do anything in a deathmatch. I like cooperative games so I'd play against monsters if I could figure out how to do multiplayer properly.

>>4854434
you have tried downloading zandronum right? I don't understand what's difficult about joining a room? you just double click on the one you want to join and it installs the missing wads (sometimes it can't do this) and away you go.

>>4852418
>Playing coop with M210. Finished the entire Episode 3 in an hour. No desync whatsoever. Take a note that that we are not even in the same LAN: M210 is 2000km away. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0F2_MvgUqc

>>4854434
did you remember to place gzdoom and doom1,2 etc in the doomseeker directory like this.

>>4854093
WooD

>>4854438
Nah, I only have GZ Doom. I remember trying to use Zandronum once for multiplayer and I kept getting some error every time. I never really put in the effort to sit down and put in the time to learn the multiplayer side of Doom. Mainly because my friends aren't interested in it and I never had anyone to play it with. So I've always just downloaded wads to play alone. I'm playing through UAC Ultra that some anon mentioned up above and that one's pretty good so far. I like the visuals of the maps.

>>4854093
Дyм

>>4854446
I'll play with you if you like. We could play samsara and all sorts of fun mods and maps. From what I've seen complex doom, ghouls vs humans and master of puppets and sometimes brutal doom are most popular on Zandronum.

>>4854452
Sounds good man, it's 5:30AM here and I've been up all night so I'm too tired for it right now but I'll post tonight if you're around and I'll hammer it out and see if I can get used to doing multiplayer Doom and have a good time playing with y'all. I do have Samsara already.

>>4854454
Zandronum installs missing mods for you so it's okay if you're missing anything. I'm a bit puzzled on how you had trouble getting it working since it worked pretty much out of the box for me, there must be a way.
Through Zandronum I've been able to discover so many neat hidden gems like super cool maps and mods I never would've found.

I just wish complex doom with legendaries would die out . . . I don't understand why it's so popular.

>>4854457
I like to use Shades of Doom. It's a mod that applies skins to monsters. They work the same, they just look different. It has a lot of skins for each monster type and you can set it to have forced themes so every level you start has a different themed set of monster skins. Or chaos mode that makes every monster have a random skin. I like to use that when I play. For weapon mods I'll use anything really. I like GMOTA a lot and Combined Arms.

>>4854265
I had the same problem. For some reason it works with 7zip.

>>4854462
Weird, 7zip is what I'm using but it won't work for me. Would it be a hassle to upload it to mixtape.moe real quick?