/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4246457
Have you checked your butt?

a thread didn't know how to use google for this

>>4246457
buy it.

>>4246216
>keeping track of prices of the courses you pirate
autism

Better question, which pirated course SHOULD be the most expensive?

Where is the full kim jung gi course that was shared here?

>>4246180
Ic thinks art is based necessarily on technical skills. In fact museums and "the art market" fancies genial dilettantism and expression over drawing skills.

>>4246467
Almost everyone on this board hates museums and low skill art. Nobody here is denying that shitter art makes dumb dosh, but nobody is here to really make dumb dosh either.

>>4246493
Everything is art. Mangas, Rembrandt, Beuys, Bob Ross. So the term art is pointless.
What you call highskill-art is often just illustration, uselessly fixated on imitating reality, without delivering an artist position.
Is Picasso or Francis Bacon art in your eyes? Funny perspectives and fucked up hands.

>>4246511
Picasso knew his fundies though. He's the "learn the rules then break them" poster boy

>>4246521
Picasso stole/traced over his father's work for his realism and said "fuck faking realism I'll just draw in muh style lol"

Look at their work it's uncanny how they're exactly the same from the style down go the brush strokes choices

>>4246405

>>4246166
Depends on what you consider "anime"

A "Cute style" consists of bigger eyes, shorter face, smaller mouths and noses, which arguably is anime

>>4246437
>>4246448
Stop thinking with your dick you retarded polish fuck.

>>4246348
This, why do western artists do stupid shit like this?

>>4246123
depends on the piece, if i have an idea for something interesting but i wanna kinda flesh it out first and get that idea down but often i just kinda jump in and figure things out later

>>4246123
You have to warm up first anyway. Just start sketching with somewhat of a goal in mind. You have plenty of time to figure things out as you draw.

It's pretty good, anon.

>>4246177
thanks

>>4246111
im no expert at this either but id try to have a stronger difference in color, it all just looks a bit muddled together to me. i like the character and general style of it though. http://pixeljoint.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11299 heres a pretty good guide that goes over a bunch of stuff

>>4246356
>>4246359
Well, I'm willing to agree to disagree.
it's just that I have a traditional painting background, and I find painting directly to be a lot more enjoyable than using a program interface to tweak settings and stuff.
But if you could post some paintings you enjoy done with a shader/filter/pass workflow, I'd really appreciate it. Just for educational / inspirational purposes. I'm always willing to concede my points and admit I'm wrong if the evidence is staring me in the face.

>>4246273
I get you, it has its appeal. It's very limited though. Probably not a good idea to learn from a one trick pony

>>4246366
Oh well, good luck and hope you'll find what you're looking for.
But you should definitely look into getting a cgpeers account, it's basically the only place to reliably get art related video tutorials.

Another advice I could give you is, if you're looking for references to study, you could download models off of sketchfab and then import them into a 3D rendering software of some kind, and do an ambient occlusion render of them, to get access to effectively limitless supply.
Some models on sketchfab have AO baked in and available right through the interface, but most don't.

>>4246380
>it's just that I have a traditional painting background, and I find painting directly to be a lot more enjoyable than using a program interface to tweak settings and stuff.
Yeah, choosing what kind of workflow to use/invent is subjective and dependent on the person, which is why I've been saying exactly that. The first post wondered what reason one could have to use passes, I'm just trying to answer that. As for an example, I don't collect any specific pieces of artwork, so I don't have one at hand. A quick search I found on Google may be interesting enough, I think.

>>4246211
>tfw can never go from step 3 to step 4

>>4245999
You don't need any talent at all to make cutesy doodles, kids do it all the time.

>>4245999
Any form of contemporary fine art

The absolute state of /ic/.

>>4245999
I think Ed Emberley's stuff is cute, you need to use color to pull off the style though.

>>4246097
Thank you for your honest answer. Finally a good response on this crab board

>>4246060
I call that shit hole gommiefornia only because of those ridiculous people that seems to only come from that place (or Canada), they always claim how capitalism is a broken system yet they are one of the biggest consumers out there funding the system as long as they approve of its manufactured narrative, it's sickening.

>a solid 15-20% chance ill kill myself before i leave here, and im leaving in about a year and a half only.

ouch anon, hang in there.

>>4246104
>they always claim how capitalism is a broken system yet they are one of the biggest consumers out there funding the system as long as they approve of its manufactured narrative
100% true. the fail to see the cognitive dissonance.

>ouch anon, hang in there.
im gonna try. i might try to go on vacation to greece and/or albania this summer. it'd be a huge breath of fresh air.

Fulltime illustrator here. I've done art for mostly everything - books, movies, video games, slot machines, board games, misc web stuff etc. Also have worked as a full time wagecuck illustrator and now am currently a freelance illustrator.

Here's my overall take on things: If you're living alone or young, being an illustrator is a cool job since you only have yourself to provide for. If you have a family or dependants, it sucks. Like others have said in this thread, there's no real career advancement apart from being an art director of sorts. There's only a few high paying art related jobs out there. If I had to re-roll like I'd pick a job that brings in the shekels first and foremost and then focus on anything art related as a hobby.

One piece of advice I would give to aspiring artists or those looking to work as an illustrator - work on your goddamn portfolio. You need a shitload of great stuff to look at before you get those call backs. Otherwise you're just another brick in the wall. Also learn to have thick skin about how good your art is. If its shit, don't defend it and do mental gymnastics. Fucking work harder and get better.

Only the top 3% or less get those glam jobs and patreon bucks. The rest will struggle and die.

>>4246076
>This is who you'll be working for. Some low IQ retard whose taste in art starts and ends on whatever's shared on instagram.

too fucking true, you get these subhuman idiots in every industry trying to "manage" you and tells you how to do your fucking job when all they have achieved in life is an empty BA in either marketing or management (both are equally worthless) and don't even know what the people actually churning out work is doing.

If youre drunk right now and having fun with a friend, good for you. But i dont know you well enough to appreciate how “”funny”” this is
Fuck off

>>4245745
thanks, I've been trying to work on perspective and i feel like grinding hard is the way to go

>>4245740
>>4245729
based

>>4245740
well I am going to do it too

>>4245769
amën

>>4245729
Why the fuck did you create a thread for this? There's already a /beg thread faggot.

>>4245655
>imagine having to smear yourself in paint and sniff thinner the whole day to unironically call yourself "artist" in your small little circle of pseudo creative normies

you never tried to paint with photoshop or any other software, and you'd probably get frustrated by trying to do so. You can't even master a simple tool, why should anyone even listen to a word of yours

The spectrum of various designs and aesthetics nowadays has never been broader

>>4245655
>This generation of "artists" never painted with mammoth blood on a slate slab

>>4245655
Why is diversity so important to them they showcase it as the image that grabs your attention and is supposed to make you click on it. Why do they put so much importance on something only HR people, the media, universities and politicians care about, but nobody else. What does this have to do with hiring the best artists? Why are they so obsessed?

It disturbs me.

UIniversity was full of it as well. It's sickening.

>>4245877
should have used this pic, so its not confusing what I talk about.

>>4245655
Today we live in a time where you can literally draw anything. You can see any kind of sight there is to see with just a few clicks. References aren't limited to your city walls anymore. You're connected to every artist in the world past and present, incredibly spoiled in terms of possible inspiration. Photography is a thing now, releasing artists from obligation to work as a camera and free to play with reality or stick to it as they like. Digital art means even more tools and accessibility to drawing itself, without stopping you from using traditional ones too. You no longer need a master to accept you for training, though the option still exists, you can find any resource you need to learn online. Yes the commercial world sucks and only cares about money, and the accessibility and visibility the internet brings means there's lots of shitty artists, but if you care about art at all there has never been a better time than now in all of history to be an artist.

>>4246084
They're making it super obvious. Nobody spends 120k on a damn banana.

>>4246084
Could be anything really. I used to live in Miami and work around ultra high net individuals. You have to understand that for them 120k is chump change, it barely even registers. The reason it’s most likely not money laundering (which, don’t get me wrong, does happen often in the art world) is because whoever bought this would know that it would become a high profile story, and when you’re laundering money there’s really no reason to bring attention to yourself, especially when it’s just as easy to purchase a boring painting that no one would pay attention to for the same amount.

This is most likely some deal struck between the gallery, the artist, and the buyer for a mutually beneficial result of publicity for the artist and gallery and some kind of handout or favor for the buyer.

>>4245997
you can't fix what ain't broken.
The art market functions as money laundry like it's supposed to.

>>4245997
>Surrealism to Abstract Expressionism to Pop Art to Illustration to Fetish Commissions is now the new western art timeline.

based, embrace it and wallow in all its filthy glory

>>4246124
>money laundry
*Money laundering. Learn to type.

sharpening them is a bitch but I love them

i bought five from the internet i sharpened 3 of them without problems but the last two started breaking every time i got a point.

>>4245544
>>4245576
yep and i think the watts people switched to it cos the contes kept breaking. you might have to pair it with like a 4b generals tho so you can get the darks. i still prefer the contes tho they feel so niiiice

>>4245544
Carbon is a hybrid between graphite and charcoal, it's a relatively new thing with very good properties.
Ebony, is that like a gioconda inside a wooden body? If so, those are my favorite.

>>4245810
I know ebony as just a line of HB sketching pencils. Is that what OP is referring to maybe? Of so then they're just regular HB graphite sketching pencils. I like them, cheap and smooth.

Go to moderndayJames youtube channel if you want to learn the same stuff, but in a much suppirior way

>>4245894
Every artist follows a logical continuity of adopting more and more complex concepts on their path towards mastery.
It's something like
> linework > shape > form > perspective > subject > composition > abstraction > idea
eg. you can't render a bicep muscle properly if you don't know how to draw a cylinder in perspective and you can't draw a cylinder in perspective if you don't know how to draw an ellipse. Makes sense, no?

Well Hampton skips teaching you about linework, form, perspective or design and jumps straight into abstract ideas like feeling the flow of gesture, because if he didn't, the book would be 600 fucking pages long.
Hampton assumes that you're not a dumbass (>>4245917 wink, wink) and you learn those concepts first - /then/ you can read his book and really understand what he's talking about.

>>4245946
>linework, form, perspective or design
Shame he didn't include courses covering all of that as a precursor to hampton in the PDF huh?

>>4245955
time to die

>>4245637
Yea except drop Erik Olson and put in Vandruff's chalkboard series, then you're set

ellem'

40 years

>>4245479
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>>4245533
Really why?? I Learn fast

>>4245557
Because you’re a fucking idiot and a tool. Stupid people learn slowly because they’re stupid, and because they like to waste time making shitty threads like this one.

>>4245559
can u even drawt hough

both are fun and when you're decent at mixing/mastering it's much easier to get an end result you're happy with in music. grinding fundies on the other hand makes me want to kill myself sometimes, but i care a lot more about art than music. same with writing, which is also easier to me than art! what the hell!

>>4245403
if I had to choose, I would pick drawing because I think I am less shit at it.

>drawing from 8-27
>music from 14-30

I’m definitely a better musician than artist, but once I had started my family, I lost all desire to go back on any tour only to return and do a job search for a few bucks more than minimum wage. So I personally concentrate on becoming a better artist with the end goal of either illustrating books or doing t shirt graphics.
I definitely am done being a wage slave, and thankfully after buying the house of my wife’s dreams, she no longer wanted to be a full time parent, so she went back into the work force, and I stay home and grind all afternoon while my kids are at school.

It’s not what I imagined I’d want, but it’s vastly better than being a broke musician all the time.

>>4245403
I'm /beg at both. Figured drawing would be more enjoyable, plus you don't need any equipment besides a pencil and a notebook. But I don't do it anymore because I sucked shit at it and honestly, the industry of music sucks more ass than the art industry.

My /beg level music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOKEl5kSmCw

I apologize for the cringy tag, this was still back in my Highschool years.

>>4246460
I take that back.

I apologize for my entire channel.

>>4245564

>>4245522

I tried it. It's trash.

>>4245522
if you didnt like painter, rebelle is the same thing but with some limitations on it.

>>4245640
i like painter. i generally use linux and my machine before it blew up was old and wasnt sure how well it would run in virtual box.

now i have new stuff. current drawing are in krita.
painter has better smudge tools which main mayne. i can pull shit off in krita though.

>>4245648
If you like painter then you should like rebelle 3. you should try the demo(not sure about limitation on the demo) or crack version.