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7139539 No.7139539 [Reply] [Original]

If you are a /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. Please stop replying to crabs, nodraws and howies and instead focus on posted works!

Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view

>WHERE to get study materials

>Want to practice figures?

>PYW and give your feedback
What can be improved? are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them? maybe a redline or a technique, be specific
Try to reply to someone as you post your own work.

Previous thread: >>7136505

>> No.7139543

friendly reminder to improve your shape language

>> No.7139546
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>> No.7139548

1. weird unapplealing shape language

2. looks like you are copying blindly the shapes and colors/tones you see without understanding the anatomy that is making those shapes and the 3D forms

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7139524 No.7139524 [Reply] [Original]

Because I need a place here to discuss 2D art and post my new stuff.

I suppose a single general is better than making single threads.

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>> No.7139532

You are not important enough to have your own thread, cris and besides you have multiple threads in multiple boards already, faggot.

>> No.7139534

Make a single thread on /b/ and never return here

>> No.7139550

you may not like it
but OP is what peak shape language looks like

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7139509 No.7139509 [Reply] [Original]

Can we aII just ban autlstlc peopIe from drawlng ever agaln pIease!?

>> No.7139511

But who would post on this board, then?

>> No.7139515

>Can we aII just ban autlstlc nodraws from postlng ever agaln pIease!?

>> No.7139516


>> No.7139537

not only are you not drawing, but you're also actively calling for others to stop drawing.

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7139494 No.7139494 [Reply] [Original]

The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.

Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.
Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).
Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.

Previous thread: >>7126841

Some resources:
/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asg

Understanding Comics
Making Comics
Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting
Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga
The Shonen Jump Guide to Making Manga

Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videos
Full MANBEN Series link: https://mega.nz/folder/YQYAGJTR#1PAs3gRYTMoerPapIZTXGg
Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videos

Source of OP image is Dorohedoro volume 1.

>> No.7139495

Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/))
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>> No.7139496

Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>> No.7139498

Current Contests:

Zenon Magazine:

Magic international manga contest: https://www.shibuya-productions.com/en/magic/magic-international-manga-contest.html,73

4-koma Contest:

Silent Manga Audition: https://www.manga-audition.com/

/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effortposts that help you for posterity.

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7139467 No.7139467 [Reply] [Original]

Many of you have forgotten to have fun while drawing so draw yourself as a chud

Also acceptable: Draw a celebrity or someone you know as a chud.

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7139456 No.7139456 [Reply] [Original]

How do you lower your self-expectations when it comes to drawing? The fear of failure and irrational desire to get the perfect results on the first try in the least amount of time paralyze me like nothing else. I am dreading starting a new drawing session. Despite my rational mind knowing that I will never achieve perfection on my 1st try and that this is okay, deep down there's a part of me that refuses to accept this and sabotages the entire operation. Is it an ego thing? A pride thing? Is it because I wasn't praised enough by my father? It seriously pisses me off because when I finally start drawing I feel great, even if I didn't finish a drawing in the set amount of time I've given myself, it still feels great but then the next day, this whole torture game starts again. It's insanity.

What do? How do you lower your self-expectations?

>> No.7139461

It's a capitalism thing, capitalism is at fault, blame capitalism. "Society" is obsessed with speed, productivity, success. Just draw. Don't look at the time, don't be too harsh on your results, all practice leads to improvement. Keep that in mind and just draw.

>> No.7139474

Pick a drawing subject that requires your full attention, then put on some loud ass music where a lot of shit happens. For example, something like faster styles of metal, denpa, breakcore, not something like singer-songwriter stuff or ambient, basically whatever you like as long as it's fast and complex.
Now your RETARDED BITCH ASS left side of brain which EXISTS TO OVERTHINK SHIT AND CALL EVERYTHING YOU LOVE CRINGE is occupied with the music, while your right side, which is responsible for creativity and perception, can do whatever it needs to do without STUPID FUCKING LEFT SIDE OF BRAIN messing with it.
It helped me (shout out to Weaselcore by Mochipet, it knocked out my SHITTY LEFT SIDE OF BRAIN for good), I don't know if it helps you but it's free so why not try it yknow. Good luck!

>> No.7139484

I will try, thanks.

I have noticed the self-doubt did get a lot quieter that one time I blasted this loud white noise video for like 5 hours straight.
Maybe I should start playing it regularly. I'll experiment with your suggestions as well, thanks.

>> No.7139489

You need to change your mindset. I fucking love failure, I love making mistakes, I love when I finish drawing something and go "damn the hands look like shit" or whatever. Why? Think of the alternative: You finish a drawing, you see nothing wrong with it. NO ONE is perfect at art, and NO ONE makes perfect artworks, not even masters. So now you are in the horrifying situation where you drew something you know should be flawed, but your brain is too retarded to realize which parts are wrong and need improving.

This is why mistakes and failures are a fucking blessing. They tell you what to fix, or if it's too much to fix, what to focus on studying next. The day you stop seeing flaws in your drawings is the day you stop improving, not the day you become a perfect artist.

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7139434 No.7139434 [Reply] [Original]

Deviantart is the resource they don't want you to know about.

>> No.7139437

don't copy amateur studies.

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Watch as this hidden knowledge fuels me in real time!
(He's balding btw the hand hides it a bit but on top he's BALD)

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No drawing?

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7139334 No.7139334 [Reply] [Original]

>Miura died very young
>Tetsuo Hara has been almost blind for years
>Hagiwara fucked up his health permanently and doesn't even draw manga anymore
>Togashi can't draw like pic related anymore

Does going for significantly more detailed and technically proficient art than usual requires fucking up your health significantly to accomplish it when you're working in weekly and bi-weekly manga?
Is this why most current mangakas strive for simpler art styles in general compared to something like Berserk or Hokuto No Ken?

>> No.7139337

Hey, when the the company keeps squeezing you more and more and more and you can't fight it you have to find way to save yourself from premature death.

I mean the solution would be pretty easy the company could just hire more assistants for you. But no that costs money, bullying and intimidation is cheaper.

>> No.7139343

>Togashi can't draw like pic related anymore
He never drew like that outside of 1 or 2 pages out of thousands.
>weekly and bi-weekly manga?
Miura was working on monthly manga.

How hard is it to get the basic facts of your own assertions right?

>Is this why most current mangakas strive for simpler art styles in general
Most mangaka (generally speaking) are striving to make the best work they can in the time they have. It's going to be eating into all of their lifespans. You so carelessly ignore the effort of people working themselves to the bone as we speak. Let's see you try make anything like Berserk or HnK. Guess what: it's not just a matter of trying.

>> No.7139346

>Tetsuo Hara
Tetsuo Hara, who has suffered from a deteriorating eye condition called Keratoconus, in June of 2023 received a corneal transplant surgery – "The surgery was a great success, and my vision in my right eye, which was 0.03, was restored to 0.3. I can see things 10 times better than before."

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7139293 No.7139293 [Reply] [Original]

Is it really worth reading Loomis?

>> No.7139296

no dude. check out ethan becker and marc brunet on youtube they'll tell you all the shit you need to do and you won't have to sift through 200 pages of skull measurements and essays about drawing for magazine advertisements which hasn't been a thing for 50 years

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7139267 No.7139267 [Reply] [Original]

If you're on a break after drawing and feel like sharing what's on your mind about what you're working on, the industry, things that excite you about art, or anything that frustrates you about drawing or the process of art then grab a cup of water and chill out here. Remember to keep discussion on-topic as much as possible.

Previous: >>/ic/thread/7105220

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>> No.7139366

Finished a doodle and honestly, it's the first one in a long few months I've done since I worked on art. I am a beginner so I am expecting to not have the best style starting out, but this just makes me regret not taking the chance of drawing and practicing more when in middle school or high school. Video games and youtube videos are a real curse for learning and affecting your dopamine man. Really makes for trying to start a long term project like video game or webcomic shit impossible.

>> No.7139398

Draw larger while zoomed out, and then shrink your drawing after. Don't fight against the pixels by drawing small.

>> No.7139520

Listen anon, life is hard, everyone is suffering, everyone is struggling, don't beat up yourself or shit on others over it. Yeah, life's not fair, fuck it and ride it out to the deep end.
In our noble pursuit, often time, it can get lonely, it is necessary to accept that you came alone and you will go alone, you have to face it, you will face rejections after rejections, failures after failures, and that can be painful. If it can be endured, endure, never complain. You have this fire inside of you, this sheer unaltered and unquestionable power within you. Believe in yourself, and create that masterpiece, you know you have it in you. Keep going, keep doing, never give up, never give in. Throughout history, it only take one to change the world. Do the best you can, when you can, we might be alone but we are never lonely, the creative powers flows through us since the ancient times, it surpass time and space, the first caveman who drew on the wall, Michaelangelo who painted and carved, to you today, you and your magic box and magic pixels, you have it in you, learn how it is and how it should be. Become glorious, become maximum, become undeniable. Let's meet there in the zone.

>> No.7139529

I caught myself trying to undo on pen and paper last night. What have I become?

>> No.7139535

It took me years to find the comfy spot but for me getting an android tablet and drawing with the right tool helps. But i do sketch around on paper especially for learning references

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7139264 No.7139264 [Reply] [Original]

Has anybody here seriously studied this guy? How much did you improve, compared to the other teachers / methods you studied?

>> No.7139365

he is feel the form x10, watched his video lessons on nma

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7139193 No.7139193 [Reply] [Original]

What's stopping (you) from making that webcomic, /ic/?
>B-but, imma not gud ennuf
Didn't stop ONE

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>> No.7139451

>one example
ok, where's the rest

>> No.7139459
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>That seems reasonable, but reasonable things are where the trouble always is.

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everyone laughs at ONE's artistic skills (he doesn't have them) and since I won't be lucky enough to get an anime out of my shitty webcomic then I'd rather never try to begin with until I'm good enough to draw something decent first

>> No.7139481

I'm nowhere near as good as he is; I'm not even good enough for an outside observer to reliably be able to guess what I was attempting to draw.

>> No.7139490

True, but OP is implying you can start churning out a comic with 0 skills and find success. Of course being good at all those other things is going to compensate bad art, it's like 2hu.

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7139171 No.7139171 [Reply] [Original]

Is it possible to make a living as an indie comic artist in this day and age?

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>> No.7139406

well manga is doing business.

>> No.7139415

depends on your definition of indie and graphic novel
if we're talking about comics in general, last I checked, manga took almost half the western market with dc/marvel taking over half of what's left and ~10% of the non-manga market not being taken by a publisher
if your idea of indie is being published by image or dark horse or something, that's not being indie
if you're talking about actual graphic novels and not just using the term to make comics look more mature, again, I have no idea what you're talking about because there's fuck all graphic novels in japan and I highly doubt you have any stats regarding them whatsoever
the reason dc/marvel are struggling is that the older generations who grew up on superheroes are dying off and the comics are extremely hard to get into because they keep being restarted and there's like 30 #1 issues for any big superhero with 5 lines running concurrently
and with capeshit being the face of e]western comics (talking about muttland here), the rest necessarily suffer from its image

>> No.7139418

>by a publisher
*major publisher

>> No.7139421

people dont really read, from what ive seen.

>> No.7139429

everyone keeps saying this, yet I have 10 huge bookstores with multiple floors on the same street of my slavic shithole, all having new shit all the time and none of them running out of business ever

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7139136 No.7139136 [Reply] [Original]

and you?

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>> No.7139176

yeah but who asked that?

>> No.7139180
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and what about you?

>> No.7139189

this is artwork/critique, sir

>> No.7139235


>you fucking suck kid, never draw again

yeah its called artwork and critique, not being a fucking nigger

>> No.7139486

Even as a little kid, I only ever drew with the express purpose of improving. My earliest memories of drawing involve humiliation at how bad I was compared to everyone else and frustration at my inability to get better. When people talk about how kids can't tell how bad they are and just draw whatever they want, to me they are describing a bizarre fantasy land.

If I had a vague understanding of drawing as a concept and a semi-functional process, though, then I think I would have fun, even if my actual skill level was still abysmally low.

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7139124 No.7139124 [Reply] [Original]

I want to become the greatest digital artist of our time, where can I find a proper art rival that will push me enough?

>> No.7139145

a rival? just aim to beat Craig Mullins or something.

>> No.7139149

OP, Mbappe (the guy in your pic in case you dont know) is married to a black tranny
if you want to become the Mbappe of art, start by dating like Mbappe
get yoself a black troon

>> No.7139158

No idea about the nigger, I just liked the quote

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me to my life drawing instructor

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7139037 No.7139037 [Reply] [Original]

How do i femininemax my art??

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>> No.7139447

you mean a cross?

>> No.7139452

They're meant to be little stars. You can see an example in op picture.

>> No.7139455

draw sexy lean masculine anime men. any tranny can paint a watercolor witch but they can't stomach the things women really like.

>> No.7139506

across from where?

>> No.7139531

Stars. The popular depiction as 4 points adjoined by parabolic curves likely originates from distortions created by the Hubble Telescopes support struts though similar distortions are caused by defects in the human eye and can be seen when looking at any bright light source

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7138985 No.7138985 [Reply] [Original]

I heard shape language can improve your art 10x and break you free from polished turds is this true?

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>> No.7139501
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In terms of design shapes are more important than forms, but as far as practice is concerned you need to put much more work in the latter. At some point you learn to intuit what makes a good shape. Form always remains mental though; even after getting a feel for it you still need to think out the perspective.

>> No.7139505

I like when they put a shape on their drawing like it's intentional when you can put any other shape on there too

>> No.7139512

I try to emphasize shapes in my art, but I have no idea what makes a shape appealing to look at.

>> No.7139545

"shape language is irrelevant, it's shape language that's important"

>> No.7139549

and how you define shape language? please illuminate my mind with your nodraw wisdom

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7138910 No.7138910 [Reply] [Original]

There's that one anatomy guy who always draws in red lines, seems to be chinese maybe? Very, very, very good. I've saved a lot of his stuff over the years. Does anyone have any translations or know if he ever put out a formal book/lessons? maybe know where he learned his stuff?

I've found maybe a few pages people have translated on pinterest and the writing was very helpful but it was only a few.

>> No.7139355
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Looks like Krenz kintergarten class.
All the redline images are in his structure folder you get with it.
I dont have translations for what those moon runes say, but he does have a youtube channel with some lectures that are auto translated.

>> No.7139433

where is this kindergarten class I've only seen the perspective, composition and color ones?

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7138889 No.7138889 [Reply] [Original]

don't think so much you forget to have fun and turn into a soulless copy machine but don't stop thinking so much that you're just randomly scribbling

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>> No.7138898

trying to draw without erasing is like trying to speedrun a game you haven't even beaten before. don't erase neurotically though

>> No.7138905

erasing should feel like correcting a mistake. shouldn't feel like a nervous stutter

>> No.7138925

/ic/ taught me that fun doesn't exist in art.

>> No.7138942

the fun of drawing is whatever the first thing that attracted you to it is

>> No.7138943

and if the answer to that question is "getting positive attention from others" you might not make it

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7138856 No.7138856 [Reply] [Original]

Does anyone have Ruan Jia's old art saved somewhere?

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>> No.7139155

ruan jia has shit shape language

>> No.7139159
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take that back... or else

>> No.7139169

Shape Language is for Concept Nigerians.

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I have the biggest collection 30gb...
I don't like rj anymore, I don't even want to see his art.. I regret I wasted so much time being so obsessed.

>> No.7139522

even if you don't like his art, that's a cool collection to have. Maybe one day if jia's hdd dies you can come to the rescue.