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21358160 No.21358160 [Reply] [Original]

Reading the New Testament since I've never done it before and I thought advent would be a good time. Just finished Matthew and Mark and it's really interesting how it's written. The story moves super fast and the way it's done makes you keep thinking about it. Reading from my 1956 KJV so it has all the good stuff that got taken out in the NLT.

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My favorite part so far is when Peter tries to walk on the water like Jesus and he does it a little bit and then falls in the water and Jesus pulls him out. I found it interesting how Jesus just asks his apostles to follow him and they do it without any convincing in a modern book the authors would have dragged out that section super long with probably a chapter for each apostle but in the bible he gets all 12 in like 2 pages



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21358155 No.21358155 [Reply] [Original]

Books written from the perspective of incels/trolls/school shooters?

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>>21358155

>> No.21358170

>>21358157
Was just gonna say Pessoa

>> No.21358172

>>21358155
CAN'T THEY SPEAK NORMALLY?

>> No.21358175

>>21358172
Keep up boomer.

>> No.21358179

>>21358155
Just read fringe political manifestos from any partisan allegiance, it doesn't even matter where on the "compass" it lies. Stuff from AK Press or stuff by Uncle Ted or stuff by that Indian lady who loved Hitler that someone on here used to post about all the time.



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21358102 No.21358102 [Reply] [Original]

I never cared for Faulkner

>> No.21358108

>>21358102
Who?



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21358083 No.21358083 [Reply] [Original]

Michel Houellebecq on immigrants and assimilation:

>"In France, the most liked ethnic minority, by far, is Asian. It was also, for decades, the least assimilated, by far. I lived in Paris’s Chinatown for a long time. … In my building, almost no Chinese above 50 spoke any French. They had been here for 30 years, but they had never learned. They lived in a parallel world, with a parallel economy. To deal with administrative problems, one of them who spoke French would fill out forms for everyone else. There are still websites in Chinese, of which French people have no idea, where you can find roughly anything: electricians, taxi drivers, prostitutes… In short, they were in no way assimilated and yet everything went on superbly, for a single and very good reason: there were fewer Chinese criminals than French criminals of the same age. A lot fewer. I think that what the native French population wants is not for Muslims to assimilate, but for them to stop robbing and attacking them. In other words, that the level of violence go down, that they respect the law and people. Or, and that would be another good solution, that they leave.

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>>21358083
When and where did he write this?

Also as a halfie myself I'm curious what European Chinese are like lol. I've heard there are quite a large number in France and Italy.

>> No.21358143

>>21358083
hahaha

>> No.21358146

>>21358092
They are everywhere in Europe. Basicallt, the picture Houellebeqc paints is the same everywhere. Sometimes the second generation actually learns the language and sorta assimilates, but the chinese form their own underground society.

>> No.21358181

>>21358146
It's pretty based ngl.

I mean you see this pattern repeated with Lebanese, Gujurati Indians, and other 'merchant minorities' across the globe.

And in the end, they're all prosperous and thriving.



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21358066 No.21358066 [Reply] [Original]

What to read before Heidegger?

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>> No.21358136

Depart with the Danaans

>> No.21358142

>>21358073
second this.

would add kant, fichte and hegel because german philosophy but I assume that's a given imo

heraclitus is pretty important also, so is plato

I dunno read the most basic philosophy canon (heraclit, plato, aristotle; kant, fichte, hegel) and then everything existentialist and phenomenologist. that's it really.

>> No.21358150

Uexküll

>> No.21358153

>>21358066
The Call trilogy

>> No.21358154

>>21358131
I never said Nietzsche wasn't a major influence, I'm quoting Heidegger on his youth. But it's probably fair to say the fundamentals of his 'method' or basic orientation does not come from Nietzsche.



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21358061 No.21358061 [Reply] [Original]

Books with a female character who is full of will to live, effervescence, good humor and the ability to see good things even in the difficulties of life. A girl who somehow looks at the weeds growing between the holes in the sidewalk of life and sees small groves of Arcadia in them.

Bonus points if the book has a lot of dialogue (I like it when characters are largely revealed by what they say, by the monologues of their thoughts).

I would also prefer a young woman, but any female character is good.

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Justine.

>> No.21358087

>>21358061
Breakfast at Tiffany's

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she was great

>> No.21358118

>>21358061
Marianne from Sense and Sensibility

>> No.21358159

>>21358061
Sounds to me like you want a Manic Pixie Dream Girl. Try Looking For Alaska by John Green



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21358052 No.21358052 [Reply] [Original]

Recommend me a personal self-help/philosophy book that would help me deal with stresses of life and that simultaneously neither feels like it was written for sub <110 IQ morons, nor is the bible (Torah, Quaran)

i've recently been torn between picking up the marcus aurelius and/or nietzche, so i ended up trying neither

>> No.21358147

>>21358052
>We Shall See Him As He Is by Saint Sophrony Sakharov
>The Saviors of God by Nikos Kazantzakis
>Way to Wisdom by Karl Jaspers
>The Philosophy of Existentialism by Gabriel Marcel
>The Biocentric Worldview by Ludwig Klages
>The Inward Morning by Henry Bugbee
>The Religion of Man by Rabindranath Tagore
>Understanding Islam by Frithjof Schuon
>The Tao Te Ching (I'm gonna get shit on for this, but I was earnestly captivated by Jonathan Star's translation in high school, and I still appreciate it)
>The Ring of the Way by Taisen Deshimaru
>A Flash of Lightning in the Dark of Night by the Dalai Lama
>The Way of Response by Martin Buber
>Hoping Against Hope by John Caputo
>Purity of Heart is to Will One Thing by Soren Kierkegaard
>The Meaning of Man by Jean Mouroux
>Making All Things New by Ilia Delio
>Master Thich Nhat Hanh's commentary on The Admonitions and Encouraging Words of Master Guishan

That would be a good place to start if you want life-affirming explorations of the meaning and direction of existence, exhortations to discipline and adventure, and whatever else might fall into the "philosophical self-help genre". They all helped me.

>> No.21358165

>>21358147
Also I'd add that all of those authors have many more works, and some of them entire schools of thought built upon the foundation they made by generations of students, and almost all of them are writing from within a pre-existing tradition, so if you read one and are captivated by it, dive more deeply into it. If you like Sophrony, read the Sayings of the Desert Fathers, and read his writings on prayer, and study his contemporaries, and then study the Church Fathers, etc. If you like Kazantzakis, read his telling of the story of Saint Francis, read his Odyssey, read his letters, study his influences and those inspired by him, etc. If you like Thich Nhat Hanh, read his commentaries on the Sutras, read his story of the Buddha's life, etc. No book will solve the pressures of existence, but many of them can serve as invitations into a broader and more deeply interrogative relationship with them, enriching the struggle and giving you direction. They can situate you within a human community, a community of people struggling to find your way, and that is how you will find meaning. No one exists in a vacuum. Search for community, fight to earn a place within that community, learn humility and respect for all of its members, and pay attention to how that process changes you.

>> No.21358171

Study determinism

>> No.21358174

>>21358052
>help me deal with stresses of life
On Shortness of Life, Seneca

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>>21358052
picrel is interesting.



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21357945 No.21357945 [Reply] [Original]

>All is vanity with God:
What else do you need if you have God? He who is infinite and inexhaustible. Everything else is under the shadow of death and decay.

>All is vanity without God
Everything becomes a void. Everything is futile, diseased, decaying and dying. Brushing your teeth and writing big novels become equally absurd and meaningless gestures. Yet we still bother to leave the bed every morning.



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21357899 No.21357899 [Reply] [Original]

What is the greatest scifi book?

>> No.21357917

Expiration Day by William Campbell Powell

>> No.21357950

Personal favourite is og. Dune, by a long shot. I also enjoyed Hyperion a lot.



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21357855 No.21357855 [Reply] [Original]

poems about ships and the hubris of man edition
still looking for submissions of short stories (2.5k or less words)/ poetry/ tasteful nudes
submissions and website links on backpage
bumps appreciated

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>>21357890
[email protected]
minimag.space



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21357791 No.21357791 [Reply] [Original]

ITT: book covers



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21357789 No.21357789 [Reply] [Original]

Which book has affected you the most, on a personal scale? Which books have had an actual, notably significant impact on how you live your life, how you view the world around you?

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>> No.21358133

>>21358086
Based Megadeth fan. Sorry for your atheism, though

>> No.21358145

I would like every anon who has posted to know that I am very grateful for their contributions.
However, there's an awful lot of non-fiction recommendations. Interestin; I was expecting some more fictional novels. Hrrm.
Thanks again.

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1) Two Arms and A Head: The Death of Paraplegic Philosopher by Clayton Atreus.

This book teaches me that being paraplegic is terrible—it gives a person painful experience and alienates his existence with other human being. However this book also teaches me to stop being naive. After reading this book, i have a tendency to see the world as it is, not the way i want it to be.

2) How to Read A Book by Mortimer J. Adler.

What i find useful in this book is a realization that to understand a book, one needs to:

- Find the prominent words;
- Define each prominent word;
- Construct the author’s argument by finding the correlation or causation between each idea;
- Use other books in the same genre to enrich your understanding.

3) Johnny Got His Gun by Dalton Trumbo

Pretty terrifying and worth reading. This book challenges my view on war, politics, law, and euthanasia.

>> No.21358186

>>21358180
But how do you read How To Read A Book... if you;re reading it to understand how to read a book... but you need its guidance... because you can't read? Hrrrmmmmmm....
Thanks, your first and third recs definitely strike me as interesting.

>> No.21358193

>>21358145
>there's an awful lot of non-fiction recommendations. Interesting; I was expecting some more fictional novels.
Any good book on mysticism/metaphysics/esotericism is vastly superior to any work of 'fiction'. You'll never improve yourself in a meaningful manner by reading such.

Here's a good list of books (albeit incomplete, I still need to add more):
https://pastebin.com/cZqQGeGb



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21357788 No.21357788 [Reply] [Original]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56R3hU-fWZY

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>> No.21357816

>>21357809
Don't think I wouldn't knock you out if you spoke to me like that in person, you pussy.

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>Don't think I wouldn't knock you out if you spoke to me like that in person, you pussy.

>> No.21357942

>horror lord / floorboards
>horror rhymes with floor
do americans really

>> No.21357946

>>21357788
Its always the guy who gets the last bar in who wins

>> No.21358028

>>21357804
sorry to hear you're weak. your friend is based and ERBoH pilled



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21357786 No.21357786 [Reply] [Original]

>I shall give to unfortunate, lesser beings NOT out of pitiful compassion but rather OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF POWER AND SUPERIORITY INSIDE ME
What is the psychological-scientific implication of this?

>> No.21357813

>>21357786
>there's a very real part of me that wants to be nice to other people
>but being nice to other people out of compassion is cringe, it sounds lame
>so I'll do the same thing but say it's for a self-centered reason because I am the epic unapologetic egoist

>> No.21357820

>>21357786
Narcissim
That's what you want to hear

>> No.21357880

>>21357786
Still being trapped in christcuck mind prison but refusing to admit it



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21357763 No.21357763 [Reply] [Original]

Rank the writers, /lit/

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>> No.21357775

>>21357771
Stop being one-dimensional, dumb pleb

>> No.21357853

what in the world is Leo Tolstoy (pbuh) doing amoung these imbeciles? sage

>> No.21357898

>>21357763
>Tolstoy below Tolkien
>Tolstoy below any fantasy writer

>> No.21357909

>>21357853
Clearly the late Tolstoy, and you are correct, he deserves to be somewhere outside of the bounds of the lower left corner, as late Tolstoy is beyond shit.

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>>21357763
this chart blows



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21357734 No.21357734 [Reply] [Original]

What do 19th/early 20th century Darwinists/Social Darwinists mean by Monism?
Over and over you see them say how Darwinism refuted dualism etc.
Even religious ones like Haeckel call their believes monistic while fully embracing evolution.
Someone explain.



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21357701 No.21357701 [Reply] [Original]

>Go on a date
>She tells me her favorite author is Oscar Wilde
I tried being polite for the rest of the night but I never asked her to go on a second date with me. Thank fucking god I dodged a bullet. What are some red flags for you when it comes to people's taste in literature?

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>> No.21357731

woman red flags:

1. femcoomer books (unapologetic slut)
2. bible/tradlarp books (slut in disguise)
3. ya fiction exclusively (too retarded)
4. classics/philosophy (too pretentious)

>> No.21357733

>>21357728
Wilde said Polish was the ugliest language in the world.

>> No.21357757

>>21357701
No one here has to worry about this. None of you will ever go on a date

>> No.21357785

I'm 99% sure I read Dorian Gray but I can't remember a single damn thing about it. Pretty sure it involved two random old guys talking about some hot twink

>> No.21357787

Reading is a red flag

It's not a hobby, you are a consoomer who makes it their personality like goyslop marvel vidya and sports fags



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21357689 No.21357689 [Reply] [Original]

I’m not particularly found of Yeats, but I recognize that some of his poems are perfect masterpieces (Leda and the Swan, for example).

I was reading Byzantium again, and was impressed by some of the verses, verses that I count among the greatest ever written. I will greentext my favorites. The last verse of the poem is one of the most beautiful I know. It even makes me sad I can’t do the same thing with adjectives in my native Portuguese.

Here’s Byzantium:

The unpurged images of day recede;
The Emperor's drunken soldiery are abed;
Night resonance recedes, night-walkers' song
After great cathedral gong;
>A starlit or a moonlit dome disdains
>All that man is,
>All mere complexities,
>The fury and the mire of human veins.

Before me floats an image, man or shade,
Shade more than man, more image than a shade;
For Hades' bobbin bound in mummy-cloth
May unwind the winding path;
>A mouth that has no moisture and no breath
>Breathless mouths may summon;
I hail the superhuman;
I call it death-in-life and life-in-death.

Miracle, bird or golden handiwork,
More miracle than bird or handiwork,
Planted on the starlit golden bough,
Can like the cocks of Hades crow,
Or, by the moon embittered, scorn aloud
In glory of changeless metal
Common bird or petal
And all complexities of mire or blood.

At midnight on the Emperor's pavement flit
Flames that no faggot feeds, nor steel has lit,
Nor storm disturbs, flames begotten of flame,
Where blood-begotten spirits come
And all complexities of fury leave,
Dying into a dance,
An agony of trance,
An agony of flame that cannot singe a sleeve.

Astraddle on the dolphin's mire and blood,
Spirit after spirit! The smithies break the flood,
The golden smithies of the Emperor!
Marbles of the dancing floor
Break bitter furies of complexity,
Those images that yet
Fresh images beget,
>That dolphin-torn, that gong-tormented sea

>> No.21357708

>>21357689
yeats is a great poet. haven't actually carefully read sailing to byzantium all the way through yet desu so i will refrain from commenting on it for now, may come back to discuss other poems of his later. Agree about leda and the swan, though.

>verses
not that it matters, but in english we call what you are calling 'verses' lines
we do say 'verses', but we mean by it stanzas or groups of lines
>>21357689
>I can’t do the same thing with adjectives in my native Portuguese
do you mean you can't grammatically? why not? idk portuguese but i know some other romance languages a little and i am always interested in these niceties of language and poetry.

btw lots of yeats appreciation going on over in >>21333832 if you're interested.

>> No.21357776

>>21357708

OP here.

In Portuguese compound adjectives exist and can be created, however they are much rarer than in English. Nouns can also be compounded, and many are already part of the common language. For example: umbrella, in Portuguese, is guarda-chuva, literally "guarda (da ou contra)/guards (against/from)” + "chuva /rain”

Yeats' verse could be translated as:

>Aquele golfinho-rasgado, aquele gongo-atormentado mar

But such a translation, though possible, would sound unnatural to many ears. Of course, you can do this whenever you like, the language is free, but there is always the possibility that readers and critics will think that you are forcing the language to be what it is not. In English, adjectives like this cause no major surprise to the reader, as they are just another example (in this case, quite well thought out) of something that occurs many times in everyday language. In Portuguese, the reader will stop for a moment and feel that that word has something strange about it, as if he were a piano tuner feeling an error in the tone of one of the keys.

In summary: Portuguese can do this, but it is not something natural in the language. If you do this to often you might run the risk of being called pretentious.

I love my language. I love the way it sounds (some of the Brazilian accents are, to my years, the most beautiful of all the heirs of Latin), I love the fact that we have, in Brazil, a whole avalanche of terms of African, indigenous, and even Arabic origin (in Portugal they also have this Arabian influence). But I envy languages like Greek, English and German because of their greater malleability and flexibility.

>> No.21357805

>>21357776
The compound adjective thing makes sense, for some reason i thought you were referring to the way he splits the phrase into two with two 'that's.
Thankyou for graciously explaining and for sharing your love of your tongue, my friend.

>> No.21357815

>>21357805
No problem, my friend :)
Thank you for your politeness.



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21357659 No.21357659 [Reply] [Original]

Whether or not your believe it to be authentic, this is unironically one of the greatest works of political science from the 20th century. Granted, some of it borrows from Joly's "Dialogue In Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu" and uses tropes from novels like H. Goedsche's "Biarritz," but there's enough original thought in the text to declare its author a bona fide genius -- whoever it is! Discuss.

>> No.21357737

oh yeah cause hating jews was such a groundbreaking and revolutionary thought

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>>21357659
One common motif is that those (jews here) promising liberty are trying to enslave you even more. This opinion is common now (unless you're a libtard), but was it novel back then?
It was alright, but very repetitive.

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>>21357659
Alright I'll check it out.



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21357655 No.21357655 [Reply] [Original]

Safe Haven Edition

Previous Thread:>>21348716

>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/guIyhAzS

>Archive
>>https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

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I finished my reread of Bands of Mourning. I'm not sure why that one anon found warships to be an incredible feat of technology when the Southern Scadrians already had airships and we knew they were more technologically advanced than the others, before Era 2.
It feels like too much was crammed into BoM, and while things flow well enough, the ending was almost stuffed in, like a complete new Act. I think too much was going on at the temple.
>tfw no Marasi waifu
Now I'll reread TLM. The prologue with Wayne is probably Sanderson's most humorous chapter ever written in anything. Sad we won't see Wayne and Marasi again in a notable significant role.

>> No.21358029

>goodreads best of 2022 nominees and winners
>at least 95% of the authors are women
/lit/brothers...

>> No.21358067

>>21358029
Goodreads is like facebook/instagram for nerdy girls and wine aunt/soccer moms
if you're using it as anything but an index for books, you're using it wrong

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>>21357655
FUCK he is good.

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>Thraxas is a failed sorcerer, retired soldier, a gambler and a drunkard who works as a private investigator in an unremarkable mid-sized city.



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