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21633203 No.21633203 [Reply] [Original]

I'm a german ayrab coming off a long spree of reading very emotional middle eastern poets like shahriyar (the turk) which speak to intuition, but I also have a taste for strong german Hölderlin and Wagnerian autism, a side of me which I'd like to indulge in again, I also like the kind of language employed by Goethe and I love Schubert the most, it's all very snug and cozy, withdrawn from the world; need some more comfy german autism /lit/

>> No.21633215

>>21633203
Novalis is somehow both comfy and exciting at the same time. Read hymns to the night. He also has some philosophy texts that are interesting

Trakl is very withdrawn from world but it's cold and a bit strange

Those two my favorites of the Germans/Austrians



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21633190 No.21633190 [Reply] [Original]

William Shakespeare is proven Greatest of All Time

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>> No.21633204

>>21633200
kek

>> No.21633212

>>21633190
Based DAN

>> No.21633217

>>21633190
Yawn. Get it to say nigger.

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Shakespeare soon btfo

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21633186 No.21633186 [Reply] [Original]

This was a gentleman of about thirty, tall, broad-shouldered, and red-haired; his face was red, too, and he possessed a pair of thick lips, a wide nose, small eyes, rather bloodshot, and with an ironical expression in them; as though he were perpetually winking at someone. His whole appearance gave one the idea of impudence; his dress was shabby.

He opened the door just enough to let his head in. His head remained so placed for a few seconds while he quietly scrutinized the room; the door then opened enough to admit his body; but still he did not enter. He stood on the threshold and examined the prince carefully. At last he gave the door a final shove, entered, approached the prince, took his hand and seated himself and the owner of the room on two chairs side by side.

“Ferdishenko,” he said, gazing intently and inquiringly into the prince’s eyes.

“Very well, what next?” said the latter, almost laughing in his face.

“A lodger here,” continued the other, staring as before.

“Do you wish to make acquaintance?” asked the prince.

“Ah!” said the visitor, passing his fingers through his hair and sighing. He then looked over to the other side of the room and around it. “Got any money?” he asked, suddenly.

>> No.21633187

“Not much.”

“How much?”

“Twenty-five roubles.”

“Let’s see it.”

The prince took his banknote out and showed it to Ferdishenko. The latter unfolded it and looked at it; then he turned it round and examined the other side; then he held it up to the light.

“How strange that it should have browned so,” he said, reflectively. “These twenty-five rouble notes brown in a most extraordinary way, while other notes often grow paler. Take it.”

The prince took his note. Ferdishenko rose.

“I came here to warn you,” he said. “In the first place, don’t lend me any money, for I shall certainly ask you to.”

“Very well.”

“Shall you pay here?”

“Yes, I intend to.”

“Oh! I don’t intend to. Thanks. I live here, next door to you; you noticed a room, did you? Don’t come to me very often; I shall see you here quite often enough. Have you seen the general?”

“No.”

“Nor heard him?”

“No; of course not.”

“Well, you’ll both hear and see him soon; he even tries to borrow money from me. Avis au lecteur. Good-bye; do you think a man can possibly live with a name like Ferdishenko?”

“Why not?”

“Good-bye.”

And so he departed. The prince found out afterwards that this gentleman made it his business to amaze people with his originality and wit, but that it did not as a rule “come off.” He even produced a bad impression on some people, which grieved him sorely; but he did not change his ways for all that.



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21633183 No.21633183 [Reply] [Original]

what are some books about women being misery because they're women

>> No.21633230

>>21633183
Anything written by a woman.



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21633161 No.21633161 [Reply] [Original]

Hit the library niggers.



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21633143 No.21633143 [Reply] [Original]

Didn't see one in the catalog, post em

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21633157

Spanish is basically empty, and poetry definitely is.

>> No.21633170

imagine paying for 4chan for 10 years



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21633127 No.21633127 [Reply] [Original]

Have you ever admitted to a woman that you've read works of philosophy?
What happened?

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>> No.21633207

>>21633127
Yeah she said it sounded a bit heavy and the atmousphere went sour after that. I no longer talk about books with women I'm trying to sleep with.

>> No.21633227

>>21633193
She’s not in phil mind or epistemology, so no

>> No.21633233

>>21633127
Yeah then she asked me if I'm into "dialectical incellism" and walked away cackling.

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I loved Bottom.

>> No.21633243

>>21633127
I was sitting next to a girl in college, she pointed to a book cover and asked me "Who is that?" I said "Schopenhauer". She looked shocked and said "Why the fuck do you know that?"



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21633058 No.21633058 [Reply] [Original]

>He wrote and edited his trilogy via a rigorous creative process. First by long hand with a pen. The next draft went onto his typewriter. Finally, Self inputted the finished story onto his computer. “Writing, while staring at the computer screen, favours literalism over thinking in words,” he says. Self is referring here to the endless clickbait distraction and illusion that social media platforms such as Twitter, Instagram and TikTok provide. He believes they only reward vanity, profit and megalomania. “People marching up and down on social media pushing their products, banging their little drum and trying to sell shit is not a very edifying spectacle,” he says.

WhOAoAoA guys phones r BADDDD!!

>> No.21633064

>>21633058
>“Writing, while staring at the computer screen, favours literalism over thinking in words,”
wtf does that even mean?

>> No.21633079

>>21633058
He’s right.

>> No.21633082

>>21633058
Will Self sounds like euphemism for masturbation. "I'm just will selfing right now"

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>>21633058
>Self inputted

>> No.21633173

>>21633058
He's right, and the world was a better, calmer, safer place before smart phones



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21633029 No.21633029 [Reply] [Original]

is existentialism an implicitly monotheistic thinking school?

Can you be existential if reincarnation is real? If yes, what is your angst based upon?



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21633008 No.21633008 [Reply] [Original]

I've heard rumours that the people "Israel" of the Old Testament were what we now call Ukrainian and Polish Gentlemen and women, is there any truth to this ?

>> No.21633022

>>21633008
the real jews are the aryans you fucking idiot "goy" is गो the sanskrit word for cattle i.e. non-whites

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21633025

No, Jesus was neither blue eyed, fair skinned or white. You people are hilarious.

>> No.21633027

>>21633025
I hope a Pleadian runs you over in a UFO

>> No.21633034

>>21633025
>Old Testament
>Jesus

>> No.21633050

>>21633025
Jesus was not yet born in the old testament



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21632997 No.21632997 [Reply] [Original]

I was thinking about it, and it seems like most of the people you would classify as cowboys, loose cannons, Gypseys, and rogues WOULD be considered Lumpenproletariat. Wanderers who go from employment to employment by their own want and negotiation. Cossacks, Mongols, Men for hire, bounty hunters, scoundrels and cutpurses. Not tied to a set location or industry, but usually work on short term contracts by those with static wealth, or have occupations that are exceedingly fluid or mostly self sufficient.

Any books that cover this broad sort of lifestyle? It seems to have a broad pull at least romantically. The person(s) who go out and make a living by their own decree, not fettered by particular set societal obligations (though social protocol often exists informally outside a set judicial and may form transitory alliances), but personal circumstantial drives and sentimentalities all their own. This person wronged me, so we feud. This person did something respectful, I might give him a turn in kind. There is an opportunity here, I might take it. Not by committee, but by personal discretion, with the tumultuous evils and goods and vague in betweens that come of it. Of course, these types almost always have a relation to a more static sect they interact with in a loose patronage/trade system in regards to goods and services that require more static systems to produce.

Any books that cover this sort of lifestyle? It seems to have a broad pull at least romantically. The person(s) who go out and make a living by their own decree, not fettered by particular set societal obligations (though social protocol often exists informally outside a set judicial), but personal circumstantial drives and sentimentalities all their own. This person wronged me, so we feud. This person did something respectful, I might give him a turn in kind. There is an opportunity here, I might take it. Not by committee, but by personal discretion, with the tumultuous evils and goods and vague in between that come of it. Of course, these types almost always have a relation to a more static sect they interact with in a loose patronage/trade system in regards to goods and services that require more static systems to produce.

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>>21633033
Thanks for the quick recs, and sorry for double posting that second paragraph.

I was particular ly interested in when they are in a sort of relation to a static culture, again, I think Cossacks are a good example in relation to the pol-lithuanian commonwealth and Russia. And while cowboys is a less discrete "culture", I think the general relationship is similar.
>>21633040
Maybe, dont think its happened to me before.

>> No.21633073

my diary bro

>> No.21633084

>>21633055
When they’re in relation to a state?
They’ve always existed, but are going more and more extinct (just as the “civilizational” project seems on the verge of over bloated collapse) from Gilgamesh’s friend Enkidu to Ted Kaczynski, from Ovid’s Golden age to the Miao to the Cossack to the Berber to Hilbillies and preppers. It’s just the natural state of things the way they used to be. That’s what drives us away from the authoritarians and their flocks of sheeple

>> No.21633103

>>21633055
And this all reminds me of a certain internet situation that happened in the 90's in reference to the MUD (multi user dungeon/domain, basically a multi player text only predecessor to MMO's, with a particular kind allowing for quite a bit of user manipulation of the world and code) called MOO, where there was a lauze-fare community with little explicit laws or moderation, but ran smoothly since people "got it" that eventually got to a "tipping point" where the whole shebang basically ate the fruit of good and evil due to a virtual rape scandel. No doubt, the individually was in part to blame, but there was almost definetly similar incidents that happened before that were delt with in a more touch and go sort of way (there were discrete factions and groups and hierarchies with enmities and stuff before it), but it was the tipping point of explicitly that precipitated its true downfall with real concrete regulatory action and moderation that broke its "sense" of implicit accountability and contextual fluidity. It was like a palpable shift in consciousness.
here's an article about it:
https://if50.substack.com/p/1990-lambdamoo

>> No.21633125

>>21633084
But I think its a bit more complicated then that. Its not simply authoritarian vs indivigual. There seems to be a sort of authoritarian energy within the indivigual of a wandering culture. they may beat down oposition and integrate them into a alliance under them for a time, or outright eliminate them. There just isnt a prefunctory deferment to a collective off hand. Instead its an acknowledgement of effectuality, weither that be by coin or by might or by some whilly strategy. Which is why it seems to also have a sort of symbiotic relationship to a static culture for a time, since there are effectual merits to it, production, cultural output, etc.



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21632978 No.21632978 [Reply] [Original]

I don't even know what's going on. I'm on chapter XI and everything is just random environment details. I don't even know how The Boy suddenly started following the judge, or whatever the plotline is.

I might be getting filtered, but ill give the same criticism to McCarthy as I did to William Faulkner. Writing the most concluded way to say you want to take a shit, and spending pages and pages to convince me this is awesome writing is never going to work. In fact, it just makes me think the author a pretentious blowhard.

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>> No.21633030

I'm not reading this but i would watch an adaptation by the Coen brothers.

>> No.21633045

>>21632978
Just don't try to track anything and let it wash over you

>> No.21633070

Who the fuck is The Boy?

>> No.21633098

>>21633070
kek

>> No.21633152

>>21632978
Time. It's not just about and then and then and then exposition and plot movement. Do you want verisimilitude, immersion?



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21632961 No.21632961 [Reply] [Original]

There's no fucking way there are people who will read this in less than 10 hours, wtf

>> No.21632969

>>21632961
Maybe not on a first read-through (even then, if you're reasonably well-read you could probably do it in half the time).

>> No.21632974

obviously.
the calculation of 9:11 minutes is based on the premise that you'll read an average of 250wpm unerringly without a single stop.

>> No.21632979

>>21632961
How many pages?

>> No.21632992

>>21632979
500. I read about 20 pages/hour

>> No.21633032

i checked the lengths of some audiobooks for C&P. most are 20-21 hours. the abridged version is 3 1/2 hours. that's uhhh.....pretty fuckin abridged



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21632934 No.21632934 [Reply] [Original]

is it actually good or is it the 30s equivalent of a tv show an annoying guy at work keeps telling you to watch

>> No.21632940

>>21632934
both



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21632913 No.21632913 [Reply] [Original]

What are some books about paganism's influence on christianity?

>> No.21632919

>>21632913
Bowersock, The world of late antiquity

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>>21632913
Ironically the only alleged depiction of Yahweh we have is actually of Bes

Also, picrel

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>>21632913
Start with picrel.



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21632911 No.21632911 [Reply] [Original]

The only way out of fear is going through it and realizing it isn't all that it is cracked up to be.
Do the things you fear and you'll eventually fear less things.

>> No.21632935

>>21632911
I get afraid of things that arent real like demons. I see faces everywhere, like the pareidolia thing. Have to calm myself by saying that the universe is asleep, not a malevolent thing watching me. Remind myself my mind is just small unimportant thing in infinite expanse

>> No.21633023

>>21632911
I like this. It is true. I would change your wording and say that the way out of fear is to accept fear. Some people might read 'going through it' aggressively, which wouldn't work. The key is to accept it as it is and face it head on. What you resist, you empower.

>>21632935
I think if you tell yourself your mind is small and unimportant then you are opening yourself up to the possibility that later you will decide the exact opposite is true. If you accept a mind is small, you can accept it is big, if you accept it is broken, you accept it can be whole etc. In these instances you are exposed to the world of polarities, good/evil, pleasure/pain etc. The thing with accepting everything as it is, is that by doing so you remove yourself from the polarised world. If you accept that you have a vision of a demon, and face it, then it is no longer evil/scary/threatening etc. it just is, like everything else is. You reduce the world to a singular plane of what is.
Meister Eckhart said when you face your demons head on their faces are transformed and you realise that all the times you thought you saw demons snarling and grabbing at you, they were smiling angels trying to take your hand and raise you up to heaven.

>> No.21633043

>>21633023
>possibility that later you will decide the exact opposite is true.
This is the thing I believe least though. Everything I believe is predicated on polarities. I dont mind fear and pain, I just dont like feeling crazy.

The demons remain demons for me, even if they're not real. Beauty is not ugliness, etc.

>> No.21633054

>>21632911
I fear the dying process.



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21632890 No.21632890 [Reply] [Original]

He’s my favorite villain from an English novel. What other novels should I read if I liked this characterization?

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>>21632994
Kek

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>>21632994
Don't forget Simon bar Sinister!

>> No.21633062

>>21633014
>oh wow guys. Look at his hands!
Go back >>>/pol/

>> No.21633065

>>21633062
>t. Randall J. Weems

>> No.21633093

>>21633062
Is a common trope throughout all classical lit, anon. Anti-semetism or judenhass, that is jewhate, may be one of the oldest topics in literature that has barely changed in over 2400 years. Even the Ancient Greeks wrote of their disgust for their practices.



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21632877 No.21632877 [Reply] [Original]

>aaaaaahhhhh the unbearable trauma I suffered when I was 17 in 1981 in LA
what a fucking fag

>> No.21632894

>>21632877
>>>/mu/



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21632847 No.21632847 [Reply] [Original]

Looking for books similar to Norwegian Wood by Murakami. A comfy, descriptive, slice-of-life kind of book I can live vicariously through.

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>>21632847
every other murakami novel

>> No.21632864

The sex part with Reiko was hot

>> No.21632893

>>21632847
Sanshiro by Soseki

>> No.21632917

>>21632859
>>21632864
Wearing Naoko's clothes too

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>>21632847



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21632839 No.21632839 [Reply] [Original]

>Carlyle Van Thompson, a professor of African American and American literature at Medgar Evers College, argues that Fitzgerald “guilefully characterizes Jay Gatsby as a ‘pale’ Black individual who passes for white.” I read this sentence twice, feeling like I had finally been granted license to enter the novel, to see myself in it, to make my way through the prose and develop my own interpretations.

> In America, we are taught that canonical literature foregrounds the experiences of white people. Rarely do we question the racial identities of Nathaniel Hawthorne’s characters, or Herman Melville’s, or Willa Cather’s. If the race of an American character is not specified, we assume the character is white.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/03/great-gatsby-book-fitzgerald-race-interpretation/672778/?

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>> No.21632970

>>21632876
>future societies will be baffled on our obsession with race

"The earth may have exploded, but at least we weren't racist"

>> No.21633178

>>21632897
>Biologists over here like guys race isn't even real,
Race isn't real, but white people bad.

>> No.21633196

>new way
>race

Why are people like this?

>> No.21633214

>>21632897
>Biologists over here like guys race isn't even real

Yeah, but they aren't being truthful, it's about saving face. DNA companies have been able to predict someone's race since the 90s and they can even now create an approximate image profile of someone merely through their DNA.

However, race obsession REALLY needs to go away; and that is especially the case for those championing racial inclusion, ironically enough.

>> No.21633228

>>21632839
>If the race of an American character is not specified, we assume the character is white.
Umm....yes. especially in pre ww2 literature.
This isn't a new revelation.



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