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20400066 No.20400066 [Reply] [Original]

Is this a difficult read? Not used to reading fiction, can't really grasp this guy so far

Also, are there any other good beginner fiction novels you'd recommend? I guess I'm not used to the visual-reading style of fiction. And the way of prose



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20400061 No.20400061 [Reply] [Original]

Has anyone here read this?
Celine gets a fair amount of attention here with Journey to the End of the Night and Death on the Installment Plan (and occasionally Rigadoon or Castle to Castle), yet I'd never once heard this book mentioned. I didn't even know it existed until I found it in a pile of free books, and apparently it is part of a trilogy!

>> No.20400065

>>20400061
>I'd never once heard this book mentioned
Shut the fuck up, you retarded faggot. Check the fucking archive before you make retarded posts



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20400056 No.20400056 [Reply] [Original]

Any Germanons on here? I've been reading Rilke in English and in German, and a lot of the English translations seem off to me. Which one seems like the best to you?

DASS ich dereinst, an dem Ausgang der grimmigen Einsicht,
Jubel und Ruhm aufsinge zustimmenden Engeln.
Daß von den klargeschlagenen Hämmern des Herzens
keiner versage an weichen, zweifelnden oder
reißenden Saiten. Daß mich mein strömendes Antlitz
glänzender mache: daß das unscheinbare Weinen
blühe. O wie werdet ihr dann, Nächte, mir lieb sein,
gehärmte. Daß ich euch knieender nicht, untröstliche Schwestern,
hinnahm, nicht in euer gelöstes
Haar mich gelöster ergab. Wir, Vergeuder der Schmerzen.
Wie wir sie absehn voraus, in die traurige Dauer,
ob sie nicht enden vielleicht. Sie aber sind ja
unser winterwähriges Laub, unser dunkeles Sinngrün,
e i n e der Zeiten des heimlichen Jahres --, nicht nur
Zeit --, sind Stelle, Siedelung, Lager, Boden, Wohnort.

Some day, in the emergence from this fierce insight,
let me sing jubilation and praise to assenting Angels.
Let not a single one of the cleanly-struck hammers of my heart
deny me, through a slack, or a doubtful, or
a broken string. Let my streaming face
make me more radiant: let my secret weeping
bear flower. O, how dear you will be to me, then, Nights
of anguish. Inconsolable sisters, why did I not
kneel more to greet you, lose myself more
in your loosened hair? We, squanderers of pain.
How we gaze beyond them into duration’s sadness,
to see if they have an end. Though they are nothing but
our winter-suffering foliage, our dark evergreen,
one of the seasons of our inner year – not only
season - : but place, settlement, camp, soil, dwelling.

>> No.20400058

That I may someday, at the conclusion of that grim insight,
sing jubilation and praise to affirming angels.
That from the clearly struck hammers of the heart
not one fail on weak, doubting or
ripping strings. That my streaming visage
make me more radiant: that my unpretentious crying
blossom forth. Oh how will you then, you nights, be dear to me,
aggrieved ones. That I, kneeling even more, did not take you to me, inconsolable sisters,
did not surrender myself to your freed
hair even more freely. We, squanders of sorrows.
How we at first avert our eyes from their mournful duration, to see
whether they will not perhaps end. They are, however,
our leaf enduring throughout winter, our dark ever-sensing green,
o n e of the times of the familiar year--, not only
time--, but place, settlement, storehouse, soil, residence.

One day, at the end of the nightmare of knowing,
may I emerge singing praise and jubilation to assenting Angels.
May I strike my heart's keys clearly, and may none fail
because of slack, uncertain, or fraying strings.
May the tears that stream down my face
make me more radiant: may my hidden weeping
blossom. How I will cherish you then, you grief-torn nights!
Had I only recieved you, inconsolable sisters,
on more abject knees, only buried myself with more abandon
in your loosened hair. How we waste our afflictions!
We study them, stare out beyond them into bleak continuance,
hoping to glimpse some end. Whereas they're really
our wintering foliage, our dark greens of meaning o n e
of the seasons of the clandestine year--; not only
season--: they're site, settlement, shelter, soil, abode.



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20400052 No.20400052 [Reply] [Original]

hey /lit/,

I’m in Brooklyn NY for 3 weeks. I have a bunch of manuscripts— a small poetry collection and a 30 page short story. They’re genuinely quality works of literature, (humor me), does anyone have an idea where I could walk in and force them on someone? I found a few indie presses to stop in at, but maybe I ought to be looking at agents also. I’ve never been published, I have tried like 20 times but I keep getting screwed in favor of MFA’s and black trans, and I’m almost thinking it isn’t even worth trying, but I’ll at least try for 3 weeks.

Anybody have an idea? Btw, I saw one of you on the metro yesterday, with a Pynchon tattoo and reading a New Yorker. Should have said hi

>> No.20400067

>>20400052
Bro find an agent and hope your throat and bussy game is good enough to impress his wrinkled fat jewish ass.



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20400030 No.20400030 [Reply] [Original]

Any books about how events we experience shape our views?

>> No.20400035

>>20400030
No, I don't think anyone has ever recognized this phenomenon.

>> No.20400048

>>20400030
To me, clowns aren't funny. In fact, they’re kind of scary. I've wondered where this started, and I think it goes back to the time I went to the circus and a clown killed my dad.

>> No.20400049

>>20400035
Recommend some please

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20400075

>>20400048
That's not funny. My uncle died that way



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20400003 No.20400003 [Reply] [Original]

Hegel is king.



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20399985 No.20399985 [Reply] [Original]

In this thread we discuss everything poetry.
Share your favorite poems.
Share new poems you've read recently.
Share your own poems and critique others.
Talk about poets, the history of poetry, the highs and lows, the evolution of forms and about symbols and what they do.

>> No.20399998 [DELETED] 

No:
I don't want anything.
I already said:
I don't want anything.
Don't come to me with conclusions!
The only conclusion is to die.
Spare me all the doctrines of art!
Don't talk to me about morality!
Do away with metaphysics!
Do not enumerate me the conquests of science! (of science, O my God, of science!) - of science, of arts, of modern civilization!
If they have the truth, what do I care?
By the way, I am crazy and with full right.
With full right, do you understand?
For God's sake, leave me alone!
Do you want me common, married, taxed?
Do you want me like the opposite, like the opposite of something?
I am what I am, let it be!
Go to the devil without me
or let me go to the devil alone!
Why do we have to go together?
Don't grab me by the arm!
I don't like to be grabbed by the arm.
I want to be alone.
I already told you: I want to be alone.
How annoying that I should be sociable!
O blue sky - heaven of childhood -
eternally empty, perfect truth, in which the sky breaks!
O revisited sorrow, Lisboa of yore of today!
Nothing you give, nothing you take, nothing you are of what I feel!
Leave me in peace!
I do not waver, for I never waver....
As long as the abyss and the silence line, I want to be alone.

>> No.20400005

No:
I don't want anything.
I already said:
I don't want anything.
Don't come to me with conclusions!
The only conclusion is to die.
Spare me all the doctrines of art!
Don't talk to me about morality!
Do away with metaphysics!
Do not enumerate me the conquests of science! (of science, O my God, of science!) - of science, of arts, of modern civilization!
If they have the truth, what do I care?
By the way, I am crazy and with full right.
With full right, do you understand?
For God's sake, leave me alone!
Do you want me common, married, taxed?
Do you want me like the opposite, like the opposite of something?
I am what I am, let it be!
Go to the devil without me
or let me go to the devil alone!
Why do we have to go together?
Don't grab me by the arm!
I don't like to be grabbed by the arm.
I want to be alone.
I already told you: I want to be alone.
How annoying that I should be sociable!
O blue sky - heaven of childhood -
eternally empty, perfect truth, in which the sky breaks!
O revisited sorrow, Lisboa of yore of today!
Nothing you give, nothing you take, nothing you are of what I feel!
Leave me in peace!
I do not waver, for I never waver....
As long as the abyss and the silence waver, I want to be alone.



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20399982 No.20399982 [Reply] [Original]

>Mill, Berlin, etc.
>obviously, true liberals. but the former distinguished between higher and lower ends, and the latter distinguished between negative liberty and positive liberty
>Marx
>was a true liberal. criticized the bourgeoisie for pursuing only limited emancipation. Marx wanted true freedom: naturally, economically, and socially.
>Gentile
>was a true liberal. criticized Western democracies for not promoting positive liberty. sought to unite all elements of the community through the state.
So, what is liberty, then? What are we supposed to direct our freedom towards? Is all expression of freedom good? What if I become too free, i.e. too powerful?

Is this the open secret of secular political philosophy, that it seeks to make life meaningless (Marxism), has an unstable end (fascism), or that it tries to take the best of both worlds but it only works if we lower our expectations and soften our horizons (liberalism)?



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20399956 No.20399956 [DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

hey I was in a /lit/ book club discord a couple years ago and I was wondering if it was still around. We read Blood Meridian and last time I was on there we were reading magic mountain. It was run by a guy with the username rich. My username on there was Me When. If anyone knows anything please share.

>> No.20399971

>>20399956
You thinking of the goodreads discord?



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20399955 No.20399955 [Reply] [Original]

Or is he just another pretty face. Also, general rec for writers who emerged after 2000

>> No.20399968

>>20399955
Depends on your definition of "reading".

>> No.20399972

>>20399968
Opening the book and using my eyes &
brain to interpret the words on the pages

>> No.20400014

i tried the morning star and it was boring

>> No.20400081

He likes Hitler and believes in angels



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20399943 No.20399943 [Reply] [Original]

Discuss the poet, novelist, essayist and philosopher Richard Wagner.

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>> No.20399965

>>20399948
Literally how is this off-topic at all?

>it has always seemed to be absurd to question Wagner's poetic gifts
- Thomas Mann

>> No.20399988

>>20399943
>Discuss the poet, novelist, essayist and philosopher Richard Wagner.
Okay, you start...

>> No.20400012

>>20399988
Nah, too much work. You guys can just do it for me.

>> No.20400016

The hated Richard Wagner

>> No.20400024

>>20399949
Wesendonck-Lieder is just watered down Tristan und Isolde.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6lRoIlXzdU



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20399900 No.20399900 [Reply] [Original]

Say something nice about him.

>> No.20399903

Wagner was a racist.



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20399899 No.20399899 [Reply] [Original]

Anyone read this? What are the best lives? What can I hope to learn from reading this? Who is better: Greeks or Romans?

>> No.20399918

>>20399899
They are counterparts to each other to display strengths or failings

>> No.20399920

>>20399918
is it full of useful advice for a dumb peasant like me, or is it only applicable to kings and generals?

>> No.20399923

>>20399899
>What are the best lives?
>Who is better?
You need to be 18 to post here.

>> No.20399941

>>20399923
its a big book bitch



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20399882 No.20399882 [Reply] [Original]

What writers are reminiscent of Samuel Beckett?

>> No.20399927

>>20399882
The Visit by Friedrich Durrenmatt is quite good and reminded me of Beckett's plays. It's not so minimalist as Beckett, but the dialogue has a similar flavor.

>> No.20400070

>>20399882
I found Alain Robbe-Grillet's novel "Dans le labyrinthe" to be reminiscent of Beckett. I would also make a very tenuous connection between Watt and The Making of Americans by Gertrude Stein in terms of the "exhaustibility" of the prose.

Though these authors aren't reminiscent of Beckett, I believe someone who enjoys Beckett will enjoy the works of Nathalie Sarraute and Raymond Queneau. Sarraute for the depth and difficulty of her work. Queneau for the comedy and inventiveness of his work.



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20399848 No.20399848 [DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Where to start with Nietzsche? I want to see if i fit the Ubermensch description

>> No.20399853

>>20399848
Of course you don't lmao

>> No.20399855

>>20399848
Thus Spoke Zarathustra
If you get filtered you're definitely not the bridge to the Übermensch



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20399833 No.20399833 [Reply] [Original]

I have a billion PDF files on my PC that I would like to turn into a physical book collection since I loathe reading them on an LCD screen.
Can you just upload those files on lulu or whatever and have them sent to you without any issues? Are there any print-on-demand services that do not give a fuck? Or will I have to print them myself?
Are eBook readers worth it? I usually have multiple books open on my desk…

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>> No.20399915

have you tried hitting ctrl+P

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20399947

>>20399850
>epub
soulless.

>> No.20399954

>>20399947
That is what you get for reading academic schlock

>> No.20399980

>>20399833
You're being an idiot. Yes, ebook readers are worth it. No shit. Once upon a time I was an idiot like you. I tried to print my PDFs out and put them in binders. What a waste of time and money. If there's a particularly important book that you're going to be using all the time, then it makes sense to print a physical copy out and either bind it or put it in a duo-tang or binder. Keep in mind that PDFs don't display well on all readers. You'll have to do more research on that.

>> No.20400042

>>20399833
>>20399850
>>20399886
>>20399896
>>20399901
>>20399980
>eBook readers
Just use your phone



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20399830 No.20399830 [DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

In what position do you read, /lit/?

>> No.20399861

>>20399830
We don’t read.

>> No.20399866

>>20399830
Face down, ass up

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20399873

I ascend to the astral plane and read there, because it's comfortable. Astral plane is what I call my toilet btw.

>> No.20399880

>>20399830
Laying in my bed, sitting at my desk, or standing/walking around if tired



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20399760 No.20399760 [DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Has anyone got any dissertation tips they've learnt at university? Any key phrases to put in? Any advice would thoroughly be appreciated. I really would like this essay to go well. Thank you /lit. got my dissertation in a week, but my literature skills are absolute dogshite atm.



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20399723 No.20399723 [Reply] [Original]

Any authors similar to him who explore the impact of modern rural culture politically?

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>> No.20399838

>>20399723
Spengler

>> No.20399877

>>20399723
>Criticized and opposed Trump harshly while he was running for president
>Called him "immoral and absurd"
>Trump gets elected
>Vance runs for Senate
>Pulls a complete 180 and says Trump is a great president
>Claims to be a "populist"
>Backed by a billionaire
American politics are a bad joke.

>> No.20399935

>>20399723
Get real Anon

>> No.20399958

>>20399775
The Hillbilly Elegy phenomenon was about the privileged elite wanting to be reassured that poor people deserve their suffering and Vance sold it to them for a fortune.

>> No.20400022

>>20399958
The "elite" are completely correct.



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20399687 No.20399687 [Reply] [Original]

Just finished Dune and loved it. Are the sequels worth reading?

>> No.20399700

>>20399687

No, the sequels feel quite hollow and rushed, it didn't really go into the details of the politics and character development and religion etc that made the first Dune great; Dune was a normal fiction book with some science fiction elements, the sequels are more like cookie-cutter science fiction books, more about the science and the fiction, instead of the characters and story; you can just read the wikipedia summaries to get a good idea of what they are like, you don't have to read 5 400 page books at all.

>> No.20399702

>>20399687

Messiah
>A bit more of the same
Children of Dune
>Wears out its welcome
>God Emeperor
The reason to plod through Children, and a payoff to everything

Don't read anything after God Emperor. it's just shallow cash-in on Frank's legacy.



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