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14585429 No.14585429 [Reply] [Original]

Which do you think is superior: ancient Egyptian or Mesopotamian literature, and why?



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14585396 No.14585396 [Reply] [Original]

ITT: writers you suspect were eggs

>> No.14585437

>>14585396
kek

>> No.14585447

>>14585396
Reminds me of an old Geocities site I found where Les Miserables characters were drawn as eggs.



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14585386 No.14585386 [Reply] [Original]

Would it be possible to be a popular booktuber and a patrician reader at the same time? I want to educate the masses

>> No.14585416

>>14585386
Pewdiepie is already doing a decent job. You're late.



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14585372 No.14585372 [Reply] [Original]

Is this game /lit/ approved?



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14585363 No.14585363 [Reply] [Original]

>talking to Japanese qt for a week or so now
>she is all cutesy in sending selfies and liking my body and such
>talking about shared interests like shoujou manga
>she deletes me the second I tell her I don’t have a Facebook
Why are women like this? They are literal agents of entropy, don’t they realise the cancerous oversocialising infliction of social media? Why do they think it’s a good thing seemingly on a moral level?

In this thread we recommend books to explain their nature, specifically relating to what I have just described.

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>> No.14585422

>>14585363
You came off as a fuckboy who wants to pump n dump. In case you were actually asking

>> No.14585441

>>14585419
Yea she looks stacked

>> No.14585445

>>14585422
She seemed happy enough until the no Facebook, why was that the deal breaker?
>>14585419
>>14585415
I won’t post her but yeah she was 10/10 and had a great personality, seemed to actually like me too. It’s why I’m salty

>> No.14585452

>>14585445
Just cover her face and post her tits, please.

>> No.14585457

Literally why are you posting this stuff on /lit/? You're such a faggot.



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14585360 No.14585360 [Reply] [Original]

>“I suspect that beneath your offensively and vulgarly effeminate façade there may be a soul of sorts. Have you read widely in Boethius?"
>"Who? Oh, heavens no. I never even read newspapers."
>"Then you must begin a reading program immediately so that you may understand the crises of our age," Ignatius said solemnly. "Begin with the late Romans, including Boethius, of course. Then you should dip rather extensively into early Medieval. You may skip the Renaissance and the Enlightenment. That is mostly dangerous propaganda. Now that I think of it, you had better skip the Romantics and the Victorians, too. For the contemporary period, you should study some selected comic books."
>"You're fantastic."
>"I recommend Batman especially, for he tends to transcend the abysmal society in which he's found himself. His morality is rather rigid, also. I rather respect Batman.”

Is /lit/ just a cheap carbon copy of Ignatius?

>> No.14585367

>>14585360
No, because we start with the Greeks, not with the Womans.



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14585336 No.14585336 [Reply] [Original]

Literature for this feeI?

>> No.14585343

Mike Hollabeck

>> No.14585368

>>14585336
>bags read “normal store”
This is strange to me

>> No.14585390

>>14585336
>not being fat is "very high beauty standards"
Lmao
You just know this comic was made by an american



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14585332 No.14585332 [Reply] [Original]

I have done it. I have finally managed to quit 4chan. God bless all of you. This is truly my last post.

>> No.14585338

See you next week, friend

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14585340

i'll miss you



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14585327 No.14585327 [Reply] [Original]

Can you elucidate Herodotus’ writing style for me?
I am about 90% finished with the histories and am just now realizing that he has a distinct personality that comes through in his writing, but I can’t quite put my finger on what it is.
I want to say that he almost humorously matter-of-fact, but I could be misinterpreting him.
Also, what should I read when I’m done with the histories if I want to continue on the ancient history tract?

>> No.14585382

Ctesias
Thucydides
Xenophon
If you can afford it
>The Fragments of the Roman Historians



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14585308 No.14585308 [Reply] [Original]

What is the best translation?

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14585324

>>14585319
This one?

>> No.14585388

Babits

>> No.14585399

>>14585324
>prose translation
Absolutely no. Avoid prose translation at any cost. It's a poem, not a novel.

I think it's pic related, but you should definitely visit the bookstore and make your own decision. Longfellow's translation is usually said to be good as well. Read a few pages from different versions and make a quick comparison.

The essential features are:
- Verse translation
- The presence of notes and commentaries
- (possibly) a bilingual edition with Italian on one side and English on the other side. This will become very useful when you will realize that you need to learn Italian because it's one of the most beautiful languages on Earth. Everyone realizes it, sooner or later.

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14585410

>>14585399
forgot pic

>> No.14585412

>>14585399
what pic related?



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14585306 No.14585306 [Reply] [Original]

Do you consider reading to be different from other forms of mindless consumerism (videogames, movies, tv, music etc)?

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>> No.14585434

I'm not a moral busybody, so it doesn't bother me that people engage in this or that media. I like reading myself. What makes it different, for me, is that I find peace and fascination in books, and not any in other mediums. Other mediums also make me feel autistic and untalkative. Books, as much as they pull me in, don't prevent me from spending an evening talking to my wife or playing with my kids. That may be just me though. I don't consider my knowledge of books any better than a sports fan's expertise on the in and outs of sport.

>> No.14585448

>>14585427
I do but I also read because I can balance my hobbies and social life. I'm tired of retarded middle-aged dad wannabes pretending because they spent the weekend reading some book no one cares about that anybody cares at all.

No one cares about you or your dumbass holier-than-thou life.

>> No.14585451

>>14585306

Distinctly different, depending on what you read. Literature covers both fiction and nonfiction; you have great classics within both of those categories that are so good, a person would be worse off in life without reading them. These classics do not simply exist to entertain, but to enrich the human lives of those who read them. Compare with "mindless consumerism," which is just a way to pass the time. Can you really say with a straight-face that Fifty Shades of Gray and Plato's "The Republic" are at the same level of quality? Or that reading "The Prince" is equivalent to playing through a level of Sonic the Hedgehog? Of course not.

With audiovisual media (ie: videogames, movies, TV, music, etc...) make no mistake, you can have classic titles that pull off a similar level of human soul-enrichment as a classic novel. Dark Souls is one of these games, which is a large part of why the game developed an almost religious following, and why the game is largely regarded as the best of its decade. That's not to say you can't play it in a way that is "mindless," but there's a real story in there that you can delve into and become a part of, and one which you will be better off for having immersed yourself in. That all being said, AV-media are, by default, much more sense-oriented, and therefore more distracting, than literature (which instead demands that you free yourself of distractions and use your mind to paint of a picture of the world within the text.) Therefore, while quality is scarce across the board these days, it remains much easier to distract yourself 'mindlessly' with a game than a book.

>> No.14585453

>>14585421
This is true but I think they meant that TV doesn’t have to be passive in that there could hypothetically be TV shows worth analyzing. Whether or not those TV shows exist is a different question.

The same applies to vidya. In theory it could be possible to make a game with artistic merit, but virtually none exist in reality.

>> No.14585454

>>14585357
not if you're not a neet sperg



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14585289 No.14585289 [Reply] [Original]

>Hans’s more famous book Democracy: The God That Failed sold half its print run within two months and a pirated edition is already available. When the book was released in Bahrain at a book exhibition, the first day of which was marked by a solar eclipse, it was a hit, in part owing to the endorsement of a noted Bahraini intellectual and historian. Some who saw the word “God” in the title feared the book was blasphemous, but readers soon discovered that Hans meant by it only his intention to denounce democracy as idolatrous. The book has no quarrel with Allah, fortunately for its fate in the Arab world.

Its happening!

https://mises.org/power-market/hans-hoppe-arabic

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>> No.14585302

Based.

Best book by a libertarian.

>> No.14585307

What's the book even about? Isn't Hoppe that weird segregationist libertarian or some shit?

>> No.14585312

>>14585302
I've been recently thinking similar ideas such as his, does that mean I'm a "libertarian"? I'm an utter retard from a third world shithole so I had no idea you guys had a name for this. I knew about "reactionary" but I thought libertarians were more like materialist bugmen who hated taxes.

>> No.14585313

>>14585307

>This sweeping book is a systematic treatment of the historic transformation of the West from limited monarchy to unlimited democracy. Revisionist in nature, it reaches the conclusion that monarchy, with all its failings, is a lesser evil than mass democracy, but outlines deficiencies in both as systems of guarding liberty. By focusing on this transformation from private to public government, the author is able to interpret many historical phenomena, such as rising levels of crime, degeneration of standards of conduct and morality, the decline in security and freedom, and the growth of the mega-state.

>In addition, Hoppe deconstructs the classical liberal belief in the possibility of limited government and calls for an alignment of anti-statist conservatism and libertarianism as natural allies with common goals. He defends the proper role of the production of defense as undertaken by insurance companies on a free market, and describes the emergence of private law among competing insurers.

>The author goes on to assess the prospects for achieving a natural order of liberty. Informed by his analysis of the radical deficiencies of social democracy, and armed with the social theory of legitimation, he forsees secession as the likely future of the US and Europe, resulting in a multitude of region and city-states. Democracy-The God that Failed is a brilliant and unflinching work that will be of intense interest to scholars and students of history, political economy, and political philosophy.

>> No.14585337

>>14585312
>libertarians were more like materialist bugmen who hated taxes
Yes they are, but he is the black sheep among them.



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14585264 No.14585264 [Reply] [Original]

This seems the only board interested in language learning at all, and since you guys love the Greeks so much I think you guys can help me
I want to learn the entirety of the Greek language. I want to learn Ancient Greek, Biblical/Koine Greek, Katharevousa, and Demotic Greek. In what order should I learn these? I know Ancient Greek can be good for etymologies, but it’s weird pronunciation can make it difficult to learn other dialects. Modern Greek is still spoken to this day, so I could actually go to Greece and speak to Greek people using it, which is helpful, though apparently it’s very different from all the others. Katharevousa is apparently a happy medium, but it’s a strictly literary language (and resources in English are apparently scarce).
So, what does /lit/ think? I’d especially love it if any native Greek speakers could weigh in. In what order should I try learning these? Also, is there any major dialect of Greek I’m forgetting? Please don’t try to simplify it by saying “just don’t learn this” or “just skip this one,” if you think any are truly unnecessary, just tell me why and I’ll learn it last. I truly want to master all of these though

>> No.14585294

I am Greek albeit a self hating one. Don't waste your time. You are better off spending time mastering the English language or learn something cool where you can read great writers like French, Italian, German. Greeks haven't really accomplished anything in 2000+ years it's a backwater country today. Greek people are dumb as bricks so there is no one worth talking to. Greek philosophy is overrated it's a meme and not really significant other than for historical reasons. The Greek language is also grating as fuck though, one of the ugliest languages. Learn Portuguese instead. It is a beautiful language and you can read Pessoa and a gold mine of untranslated poets. I know that other posters will give me flack but they are all underage contrarians that don't even read and larp as christcucks or some other "tradition" they want to dress up as so who gives a shit.

>> No.14585407

>>14585294
Thank you for wasting everybody’s time with your self-pitying rambles. Fuck off

>> No.14585425

>>14585264
GREEK here. Do NOT listen to this faggot >>14585294, (non-demotic) GREEK is the greatest and noblest language there is, with Vedic Sanskrit and Classical Chinese. It is the language of Homer, of Plato, and of GOD himself.
While obviously demotic is the easiest to learn, the easiest way to transition through the language is oldest to newest. That is, learn the ancient dialects (Attic, which has the most material, +then/simultaneously Homeric, and from there) , then Koinè, medieval*, Katharevousa, demotic.
.

>> No.14585450

>>14585425
I say this because otherwise it's just going to get harder and more complex. You already know 95% of simpler Greek by knowing more complex Greek, I think.



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14585251 No.14585251 [Reply] [Original]

“I flirt with learning like a skydiver flirts with death. I apparently go out of my way not to learn, but I like the rush of it.”

Does having lots of money make you retarted?

>> No.14585322

>>14585251
imagine notch flirting lmao



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14585234 No.14585234 [Reply] [Original]

im gonna larp as a schizo deleuzian in a literary discussion at my university.
post the summary of difference & repetition.

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>> No.14585370

American accademics think they are deluzian but they're actually just retarded

>> No.14585418

>>14585365
but all this 80s/90s revival are just same repetitions. there is no difference.

>> No.14585438

>>14585238
Cringe

>> No.14585442

>>14585269
Also cringe

>> No.14585449

>>14585234
Based



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14585229 No.14585229 [Reply] [Original]

Is there a good book about sort of the history or trajectory of epistemology? How we think about things and how we state we can know things might be the most essential axiom to any worldview. I’m looking for a text does not not necessarily dive deep into the technicalities of different philosophers and how they improved and riffed off of each other’s models but rather a meta history of how thinking about knowledge has changed and shaped societies in history if that makes sense.

>> No.14585240

most of 20th century intellectual and cultural history is about this in one way or another, the so-called historicizing of kant's categories

you might be interested in hacking's historical ontology or daston's historical epistemology as starting points



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14585205 No.14585205 [Reply] [Original]

Human consciousness was a mistake. We may be the most intelligent species on the planet yet we still suffer, lead meaningless lives even though we have everything. We overwork, overconsume even though it's unnecessary, all for pride and out standing in society. We still seek companionship and are afraid of loneliness. Being self aware is the cause of all our problems. If I could go back to be an primitive ape, I would do it, even if it means that I would die a brutal and painful death.

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>> No.14585233

>>14585205
Remember that you were happy once.

>> No.14585235

>>14585233
I think, I was 12 back then.

>> No.14585239

>>14585235
There's no such thing as time, in memory.

>> No.14585284

>>14585205
>If I could go back to be an primitive ape, I would do it, even if it means that I would die a brutal and painful death

You can only claim that, and its impossibility ensures that's all you will do. "Mistake" and meaning are concepts functional strictly within the human odyssey. You are looking for an excuse not to live in order to lighten your burden, a side affect of your problem solving faculties.

>> No.14585387

>>14585284
True, but then how does one escape (or come to terms with) it?



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14585195 No.14585195 [Reply] [Original]

Fucking bean-eating degenerates

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>> No.14585241

>>14585200
The soul is ejected from the anus in a foul cloud of bean gas, is what he thought.
His grandma was only kidding around with him when she told him though

>> No.14585261

>>14585215
nah man, fucking soul eating devils

>> No.14585263

>>14585241
Don't be stupid, butters. Beans hold souls in transmigration.

>> No.14585282

>>14585261
Mehicans have soul. It's bugmen angloids the ones who are soul-eating demons.

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14585310

>tfw irrational numbers



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14585175 No.14585175 [Reply] [Original]

a Christian trope?

I've been listening to lectures from pic related since his death. He says that the theme of redemption is one of the three criteria with which to judge the worth of a work of art (beauty and symmetry being the other two). The search for redemption is the central theme of the human condition and the presence or absense of it in works of art determines whether they are profound and true or shallow and fake. Do you agree?

What if (and so it seems to me), instead of a universal theme of mankind in general, redemption is in reality just a Christian trope?

Particularly redemption through suffering (Dostoyevsky is named a lot). It looks like it presupposes the fall of man and thus the Christian mythos. Non-Christians may see themselves as not wanting redemption at all. A Nietzschean could say that it is slave-morality cope. An Evolian could emphasize active, heroic redemption instead of passive redemption through suffering (enter Jungians and the hero's journey). Finally, are nihilists, hedonists really incapable of making profound works of art?

Any great literature and art that ignores theme of redemption and are still profound?

>> No.14585191

>>14585175
>Finally, are nihilists, hedonists really incapable of making profound works of art?
Yes. Most truly great artists believed in God.



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14585122 No.14585122 [DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

AHHHHHGGG
I can't remember a word.
What is the word to define the feel when you miss the past and view it with pink glasses?

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14585131

>>14585122
Nostalgia from Greek νόστος (nostos) return, why haven't you learnt Greek anon?

>> No.14585141

>>14585131
oh god, thanks Chad
i'm sorry for being a retarded brainlet and poluting this board.

>> No.14585147

>>14585122
Onions retrospect



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