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23794096 No.23794096 [Reply] [Original]

I had to stop reading halfway. The story is interesting but the writing/prose is so dull and dry describing the unfolding plot.

Collins lacks the spark in crafting page turning prose. The movie was better.



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23794080 No.23794080 [Reply] [Original]

Do you remember what books they made you read in school?

I think Joy Luck Club was one, but I remember nothing of it. Sense and Sensibility the whole class hated so the teacher dropped it and gave us something else.



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23794073 No.23794073 [Reply] [Original]

What is the strongest argument for the existence of God?

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>>23794097
skepticism can ruin your life because you question everything which is not good

Don't question the father

>> No.23794105

The fact that we don’t know how the universe was created is pretty much the only remaining argument for the existence of a god. It’s not a particularly strong argument.

>> No.23794106

>>23794073
Nigga look around

>> No.23794108

>>23794101
>counters skepticism with dogma
lol

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>>23794073
Most will ring individually by a bell interior most toward fine Truth, sweet Beauty or ever-glowing Goodness, giving one no readymade fix.



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23794072 No.23794072 [Reply] [Original]

I know /lit/ shits on him for being a redditor good goy, but why?
I heard the accusation that he just made shit up, or that his work is outdated by now? Any specifics on this?

I want to read Life of Greece in the background as context as I work my way reading from Homer to Aristotle, and also I just always had my eye on reading through the whole series.
So what’s the problem with him?



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23794039 No.23794039 [Reply] [Original]

All I've heard is that this obnoxious namefag would type everything in capitals. He sounds beautiful, I wish only he was still with us. /lit/ please rape this newfaggot some history.

>> No.23794050

What happened? He was still here like a month ago

>> No.23794051

>>23794039
Fucking hate this faggot. He's gone now? Good riddance. He was some Latinx tradcath pedo, absolutely awful poster.

>> No.23794053

>>23794050
He was on /tv/ a few weeks ago

>> No.23794071

>>23794053
>on /tv/
That's because he's a pedo obssessed with pre-pubescent McKenna Grace.

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23794078

butters was better



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23794035 No.23794035 [Reply] [Original]

>Your IQ must be high to understand the book.

>> No.23794043

The heading at the page is non-sequitur, there are no jokes on those pages.

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>>23794035
It would be cute if an actual low-functioning autist made these jokes but you know this was churned out by a chinese ESL slave.

>> No.23794082

>>23794035
That's way too many !'s



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23794015 No.23794015 [Reply] [Original]

Haven't seen a Bataille thread today. Where should I start with him?

>> No.23794040

>>23794015
>Bataille
Ain't this the nigga that wrote The Poop That Took a Pee?

>> No.23794066

Start by jerking off onto the bible

>> No.23794070

I started to read Histoire de l'œil because I thought it was going to be cool but it was just about sex and masturbation
Maybe I misunderstood it because I was reading it in French but I quickly lost interest



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23794004 No.23794004 [Reply] [Original]

Has anything ever come close since?

>> No.23794012

Not really, GR is one of those life changing works. I finished it last month and am already rereading parts. Marquez kind of reminds me of it in ways but its hardly the same ballpark

>> No.23794018

>>23794012
>Marquez
Never heard this before. What book?

>> No.23794026

>>23794018
Love in the Time of Cholera but really any of his novels
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/06/15/reviews/marquez-cholera.html

>> No.23794032

>>23794026
Ok now I finally have an excuse to read these. Cool



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23793979 No.23793979 [Reply] [Original]

Any good sociology texbooks? I'm reading picrelated and finding it difficult to take seriously; the author is obviously biased in favor of leftist social progressivism, freely distorting the subject matter in accordance with his personal beliefs. I think it's strange that such an opinionated textbook is so highly regarded.



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23793976 No.23793976 [Reply] [Original]

I got my philosophy degree

This website is garbage now but if you're one of the cool guys from way back in 2014-2019 I miss you



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23793906 No.23793906 [Reply] [Original]

I'm done with thinking.
What books can i read to became a man of action?

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23793920

What sort of action are you wanting to take?

>> No.23793925

>>23793906
Tao de Ching

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23793934

>>23793906
the Turner Diaries



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23793903 No.23793903 [Reply] [Original]

True?

>> No.23793929

>>23793903
I don't understand how people can read and actually comprehend what's being written when they're reading in a loud place.

>> No.23793935

I haven't had my fuckin thing sucked in so long I want to kill myself

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23794022

>>23793935
>the absolute state of so-called men



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23793873 No.23793873 [Reply] [Original]

I like beat lit theoretically. Meaning I read Howl and On the Road and like them without going any furrher. I'd love to read some other good poems by Ginsberg. Have an overview of the rest, don't vibe with Burroughs. Him killing his wife, is a bit too much (yes, I know, he was drugged and had a handler pbbly). But I feel like God told me to read 7 poems of Ginsberg. Hit me up fwllow retards. I need you.

>> No.23793914

Kaddish

>> No.23793918

>>23793873
The ones where he talks about fucking young boys on that gay jewish shit.

>> No.23793932

>>23793873
I find Burroughs' wife killing to be much more palatable than Ginsberg's NAMBLA membership. This nigga was into fucking boys so much he joined a club about it

>> No.23793961

>>23793932
His daughter was there nigger



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23793861 No.23793861 [Reply] [Original]

Jason Mustain probably studied English Literature.
Jason Mustain probably dreamed all his life of becoming a writer.
Jason Mustain probably wanted to write great literature that make people discover themselves.
Jason Mustain have to listen to the fat female content manager and write the articles she think will perform well.
Jason Mustain spent an hour looking up "funny hawk tuah memes" on google, facebook, and twitter and downloading them.
Jason Mustain wrote an introduction paragraph to the article.
Jason Mustain is miserable because he chose the wrong major.

If you're planning to majoring in literature, don't. If you're already a literature major, change it or drop out. If you're a literature graduate, KEK.

>> No.23793872

>>23793861
>probably
Proof or your post is worthless. Jk it is worthless either way.

>> No.23793900

>>23793872
>>probably
>Proof
"Proof: Evidence or argument establishing a fact or the truth of a statement."
If I had something that establishes what I said as a fact, I wouldn't have said "probably."
>worthless
My post can save a young boy of majoring in literature



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23793845 No.23793845 [Reply] [Original]

Was there something to Zizek's toilet allegory?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mtZmBvat4k



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23793836 No.23793836 [Reply] [Original]

Joyce's goal with Finnegan's Wake was to create the literary equivalent of life in all its complexities instead of just representing life through literature which no matter how well done is always reductive. He started in on this with Portrait; the prose and references to those references grow as Stephen grows but it is a fairly naïve attempt which of simple stylistic tricks applied to a fairly standard representation of life in literature; it is not alive to the reader and does not grow with the reader but with Stephen. With Ulysses he expanded greatly on the idea, completely removes the exposition of Stephen's life by making it one day and putting in more references than anyone can get and these references are things which are mostly timeless or universal in one way or another; the novel can grow with the reader because as long as the keep reading and occasionally revisit Ulysses our relation to/understanding of those references will keep changing which means our relation to the characters keeps changing in a very complex way, their lives become the sum of our reading constantly pulling in contexts from other places we find those references. But it had a major fault, autists are going to try and understand all those references instead of understand them as we understand life which includes not understanding everything we encounter.

Finnegan's Wake is the culmination of the idea and fixes all the problems in his previous attempts, he shifts the unknown directly into the language itself and to such an extent that few are capable of the sort of autism and dedication required to attempt to explain/understand every nuance and even if they do they will never remember it all. He also made the story itself more abstract, we don't have that direct easy to follow plot like in Ulysses which we can extrapolate simplistic themes that can not be supported by the bulk of the text.

With Joyce's big books if you accept not knowing they will live and grow with you. Read widely and every day, return to them every 2 or 3 years and each time they will be completely different works and they will shed new understanding on your life, your reading and themselves, especially FW. They become that childhood friend you rarely see anymore, you get the nostalgia and the new perspective offered by how they have changed since you last saw them which highlights how you have changed and serves as a part of the metric by which you measure your life. We can not understand everything in life but what we don't understand can still be significant and impact our life, we relate to the unknown and that relationship constantly changes as we move through life; Joyce understood this. As with life you take what you can in the moment and maybe understanding will come someday down the road.

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>> No.23793982

>>23793975
>t. OP (not the anon who wrote those threads)
Ignore the bait, lets make this a good thread.

>> No.23794013

>>23793982
What?

>>23793975
This is a good start, but you should re-read my initial response. It will help you in your reading. I was under the impression you were familiar with Joyce's later works, but hey, you need to start somewhere. Good luck anon.

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23794038

You become what you hate kek

>> No.23794047

>>23794038
u checked that all out at once? nigga...

>> No.23794093

>>23793836
In Portrait, Joyce began exploring this idea by reflecting Stephen’s growth through increasingly complex prose and references. However, as you noted, it remained somewhat limited by its conventional narrative structure...

With Ulysses, Joyce took a significant leap by condensing the narrative into a single day and filling it with timeless and universal references. This allowed the novel to evolve with the reader’s understanding over time, making the characters’ lives a dynamic interplay of the reader’s growing knowledge and experiences...

Finnegans Wake represents the culmination of Joyce’s efforts to create a literary equivalent of life. The novel’s cyclical structure, dense allusions, and multilingual wordplay aim to mirror the fluid and interconnected nature of human consciousness and history... While this complexity can be daunting, it also offers a unique reading experience where each encounter with the text can reveal new layers of meaning...

Your point about the challenge for readers who might try to understand every reference is well-taken. Joyce’s work invites readers to embrace the ambiguity and partial understanding that mirrors real-life experiences, rather than striving for complete comprehension...



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23793766 No.23793766 [Reply] [Original]

How are you supposed to understand this shit? Are "spark plugs" (or whatever its called) useful for comprehending such archaic bongbabble?

>> No.23793777

He's confusing at first, but after a play or two you get used to his eccentricities. You only get an occasional word or line that manages to stump you.
If you still need more help get Folger editions. And if you want to go in-depth get Arden.

>> No.23794102

>>23793777
This. Shakespeare is not hard at all once you get used to him.



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23793683 No.23793683 [Reply] [Original]

What is this style of writing even called?

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>> No.23793769

millennialslop

>> No.23793785

>>23793683
Joss Wedon

>> No.23793817

>>23793683
my diary desu

>> No.23793956

>>23793683
Jewish

>> No.23794048

>>23793683
prose



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23793680 No.23793680 [Reply] [Original]

Is there anyone who still argues that virtue is sufficient for happiness/a good life? If not, why not?

A bunch of ancient philosophical schools seem to be at least somewhat sympathetic to the idea, with Stoics endorsing a version of it, on some interpretations Cynics do so as well, and even "Socrates" in Plato's certain dialogues (eg Euthydemus) seems to commit to it. And although Aristotle and Cicero don't endorse it, Aristotle's views are not that far off and Cicero certainly considers it a plausible thesis.

So, did everyone just stop considering this as a serious idea? If so, is there ant development in history of philosophy that could explain such a shift?

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23793848

>>23793790
Based

>> No.23793860

>Take, then, an ugly soul. It is dissolute, unjust, teeming with lusts, torn by inner discord, beset by craven fears and petty envies. It thinks indeed. But it thinks only of the perishable and the base. In everything perverse, friend to filthy pleasures, it lives a life abandoned to bodily sensation and enjoys its depravity. Ought we not say that this ugliness has come to it as an evil from without, soiling it, rendering it filthy, "encumbering it" with turpitude of every sort, so that it no longer has an activity or a sensation that is clean? For the life it leads is dark with evil, sunk in manifold death. It sees no longer what the soul should see. It can no longer rest within itself but is forever being dragged towards the external, the lower, the dark. It is a filthy thing, I say, borne every which way by the allurement of objects of sense, branded by the bodily, always immersed in matter and sucking matter into itself. In its trafficking with the unworthy it has bartered its Idea for a nature foreign to itself.

> For it is as was said of old: "Temperance, courage, every virtue – even prudence itself – are purifications." That is why in initiation into the mystery religions the idea is adumb rated that the unpurified soul, even in Hades, will still be immersed in filth because the unpurified loves filth for filth's sake quite as swine, foul of body, find their joy in foulness. For what is temperance, rightly so called, but to abstain from the pleasures of the body, to reject them rather as unclean and unworthy of the clean? What else is courage but being unafraid of death, that mere parting of soul from body, an event no one can fear whose happiness lies in being his own unmingled self? What is magnanimity except scorn of earthly things? What is prudence but the kind of thinking that bends the soul away from earthly things and draws it on high?

Plotinus

>> No.23793892

>>23793680
Virtue based upon true perception of reality is good. So it must serve a function if its to lead to less suffering/more joy/a good/correct life.

What brings true happiness? Being selfless in all aspects to the point where happiness/love is left over. No selfish act/thought, no jealousy, no hatred, no disgust, no lust, just pure indiscreminating and universal joy towards all

>> No.23793915

>>23793784
You may have only one soul, but this soul is not uniform. It has a rational and conscious part but also an irrational sub/unconscious part: your desires, emotions, etc. The Stoics claimed that the rational and conscious part is all there is to the soul, and that the emotions are basically a form of degenerate knowledge that needs to be corrected into being proper knowledge. This is what scholars mean when they talk about the psychological monism of Stoicism. The Stoics also thought that the virtues could be reduced to knowledge, and that all you need to be happy is to "install" the proper knowledge firmly in your mind.

>> No.23793922

>>23793915
Your soul is God



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23793648 No.23793648 [Reply] [Original]

The book that ruined the series

>> No.23793681
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A Feast for Cocks

>> No.23793693

>>23793648
Thought it turned to shit after the first book

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>>23793648
truth is, the series was ruined from the start