/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[04-25] A new beta for Brutal Doom v21 released:
http://www.moddb.com/mods/brutal-doom/downloads/brutal-doom-v21-beta

[04-24] Dimension of the Boomed, a Quake themed mapset currently in beta.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/92574-dimension-of-the-boomed-beta2-release/

[04-23] Babel 4-23-2017 update, mostly bug fixes.
https://babel-mod.neocities.org/

[04-23] Mr. Friendly alpha release, turns Doom into "an Animal Crossing-like nonviolent social space"
https://jp.itch.io/mr-friendly

[04-22] Anon mod release: CLANG.wad, replaces every sound with CLANG
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x4k2bxhorxb4vyo/CLANG.wad?dl=1

[04-22] Anon map release: roomv4.wad
http://www.mediafire.com/file/f3xu3bifrox8mb2/roomv4.zip (original)
https://my.mixtape.moe/ylyuxt.wad (update)
https://my.mixtape.moe/aaczhx.wad (another update)

[04-22] Anon map release: no title given, forest/cave map
https://my.mixtape.moe/abvwgx.wad

[04-21] Touhou Doom Episode 3.5 Re-Release
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=57817

[04-21] Rumors of a new Doom movie
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/100434-another-doom-movie-being-made/

[04-19] Anon's hack of Terminus's Doombike mod
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/4718315/#4722307
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=00088901197544308135

[04-19] Doom 2016 OST coming to vinyl
https://twitter.com/DOOM/status/986590166637842432

[04-17] Anon release: Firstmap.wad
http://www.mediafire.com/file/kiu1aq9kqr81zas/Firstmap.wad

[04-17] Trailblazer update 1.4c released, mostly bug fixes
https://pillowblaster.tumblr.com/post/172994870631/trailblazer-14c-update

[04-16] La Tailor Girl 1.52 released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&p=1050351#p1050351

[04-16] Booster public test build #2
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1G-Xg0dc8OOwkhq1AHKs2w7wpz-IRB3hD

=== PREVIOUS ===

http://pastebin.com/PZDkqABT

=== PROTIP ===

To submit news, please reply to this post.

Hideous Destructor sucks

I am not a skeleton.

>>4735327
Shut the fuck up, skelly.

>>4735327
I just think it's tedious to do shit in it, like unloading weapons on the ground that you already have one of
also, do empty magazines even matter? because it seems like I just have empty ones when I need them

>>4735349
The fact that he's wearing a green shirt like Doomguy's armor makes it even better

>>4735326
I love these types of post

>>4735394
My favorite part is where he looks at his fist like "Did I just fucking do THAT?"

That's exactly how the Berserk Pack experience should be. You punch a motherfucker so hard his head explodes, and you didn't even realize that A), you were punching that hard, and B), that it was even *possible* to punch that hard.
Optionally, using a combat knife or bayonet, and realized you just stabbed an imp straight through the forehead, like he was made of plasticine.

>>4735327
remove skeleton from premises

>>4735327
remove spider from premises too

secret stage in la tailor girl

>>4735401
reminds me of some forum post I read a long time ago about this guy's motorcycle accident experience
>riding on the expressway at high speed
>somehow fucks up and ends up skidding across the pavement along with his flipped over bike
>wearing full riding gear so doesn't get ground to hamburger but the face part of his helmet is against the pavement
>skids across multiple lanes of traffic and under an 18 wheeler from the side of the trailer
>skids out the other side miraculously uncrushed by the wheels
>ends up on the shoulder and is uninjured enough to stand up and lift his bike upright
>adrenal glands have just double creampied his bloodstream
>glances down and notices his handlebars are all bent to fuck
>reaches down and bends them back into approximately the right shape
>a week later he and his mechanic are in the garage trying to finish the job and even with both men putting their full weight on the handlebars they won't budge
the berserk pack is probably kind of like this

>>4735401
What mod is that?

>>4735401
They should make a mod where you can dual wield the berserk pack and the chainsaw at the same time

>>4735492

this is possible and it can (it does) tear your muscles in the process

>>4735492
That's not just a berserk pack, that's also the armor Guts has. Berserk Doom wad when? Who wouldn't want to cleave an archvile clean in half with the Dragonslayer?

To the anon that drew this the other day I had a chuckle, but since I recently got a wacom tablet I was impressed by your lighting detail since I assume you drew this in a pretty short timeframe.

Story for lurkers.
Anons were talking about new player types in Quake Champions, somebody suggested the Shambler when they were told the Shambler wouldn't even know how the guns work.

>>4735527
the closest i can think is project brutality, since berserk increases the chainsaw's damage when you swing it and you can also kick with your feet while wielding it

>>4735498
I don't know. It might be someone's test footage. I really meant to upload this.

>>4735554
Now that I think of it. There was a mod that allowed you to play as a Shambler but it was a power up.

So after playing through doom and shitton of wads I finaly decided to actualy create my own.
This is the first, and hopefully not the last, map I made. I would really apreaciate it if you guys could play through it and tell me what you think. Encounters and item placement should be final-ish. Map needs more detail though.

https://mega.nz/#!AVcwWADK!qxrEr7yMG_TxYLyfqxOohQJtszlT2k_9vt4NlL9CMxQ

>>4735491
heh

>>4735572
I'll try this now and get back to you in the next while.

>>4735572
>>4735578
Seems to tick all the right boxes in what you'd expect from a first level, didn't see any texture errors or whatever on my run through.
Got stuck in the acid pit, assumed that was a bug and noclipped out.

Fights were ok, you got some decent variety with the space. Finally, without my looking who did the music? Is that Alexander Brandon? It has a distinct Unreal engine game vibe to it.

g-guys, I don't want to alarm you, but there may be a skeleton in the house!

>>4735604
Everything's cool.

>>4735606
I watched the absolute shit out of this film as a kid. Probably what helped me grow taller and hairier.

>>4735327
Nice try, skeleton.

>>4735553
What I really want to see in a Berserk Doom is sort of like Demonsteele but instead of being a fast, zippy ninja girl with a lightning-fast katana, you're a massive hulk with an ENORMOUS slow sword with long wind-up but insane sweeping damage.

when she see the booty

>>4735572
Might want to specify what Source port it's for, I think this only works in Zdoom ports?

>>4735610

>>4735572
That was pretty good, anon. For a first time map, the details were above what I expected. Good use of colored lighting (didn't go overboard with it) and excellent choice of music.

Fights were pretty basic with all the monster closets and the hallways felt slightly cramped, but those are my only real gripes. Hope to see more from you in the future.

>>4735558
can you also kick with both feet at the same time like in Duke3D?

>>4735539
fun fact: this is exactly why gorillas and orangutans are incapable of fine motor skills like humans but are still able to tear palm trees in half. more force means more strain on the muscles.

the smaller muscles get, the more susceptible to damage they become. that's why so many people have fucked up shoulders because there's a lot of little shoulder muscles just to allow for the huge range of motion, so it's very easy to tear one or two of them. the more you know

>>4735604
>implying I live in a house

>>4735623
Alas, only Duke has that power.

>>4735572

it should be called "monster closet research sector"

>>4735631
That's actually a funny name for a level.
Somebody in the next 1024 project, try that one.

i've been playing doom for 20 years and it's been the only real constant in my life. no matter what happened in my life with all the family deaths and breakups and financial ruin there were always more demons to kill. this all just kind of hit me this morning as i sat down to play more doom before my temporary night shift job. weird.

>>4735593
it is alexander brandon!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tDjJkFyL_Q

>>4735628
I only remember this because the show was airing on (I think) Comedy Central around the same time that Duke3D came out, but Billy Quan would also use the running while kicking with both legs technique at the end of every fight
https://youtu.be/CUp1BAd7WWE

>>4735639
k.

>>4735572
Really fun but holy shit the monster closets just don't stop. You seem to have a real talent with packing a lot into a small space, have you played a lot of 1024 wads?

>>4735640
Damn I'm good.

>>4735593
>Got stuck in the acid pit, assumed that was a bug and noclipped out.
Strange. I just went, picked up the card and used the button in the on the oposite side of the room to turn the lift on. All the "windows" should be blocked so you can't just fall there unles I fucked up somewhere.

And the music is from the original deus ex (enemy within)

>>4735614
Right. I was making this for GZDoom. I don't know if it works with different ports since I still have basicaly no idea what I'm doing.

>>4735620
>>4735631
Thanks. I wanted to to reuse as much space as posible since I personaly like maps like that. Small maps where you have to go through the same locations multiple times with some slight changes / new enemies.

>>4735647
>have you played a lot of 1024 wads?
It is possible. I played so many maps I hardly remember them anymore. But I like small maps that use backtracking and ambushes the most.

So. Was everything alright? No big problems or mistakes that anyone really hated? Any different, creative ways of putting new enemies in old areas instead of monster closets.?

>>4735651
It's fine, plus you covered the most important base every mapper should cover. Your map works with Brutal Doom, no need to worry about other...ahem, *less* important mods.

>>4735658
get out of here you fucking skeleton

>>4735651

I think you should chill out a bit with the monsters closets

>>4735604
don't worry, my grandma is downstairs with her double barreled shotgun

>>4735661
Strike me down if you must, but I'll be back.

>>4735315

>[04-17] Anon release: Firstmap.wad
>http://www.mediafire.com/file/kiu1aq9kqr81zas/Firstmap.wad

also tried this...

this floor should make you damage or something?

Why is Quake so awful?

>>4735491
on a scale of 1 to thicc, how thicc is tailor girl

>>4735675
the fuck you say?

>>4735554
Oh shit, anon who posted this the other day- sorry, I didn't draw it! It was posted by someone in /arena/ a few months back (the best Quack OC generator other than /vr/), I just reposted it. They've drawn some other things I can't find offhand, but they've all got their signature (that little v-something mark by Shamby's foot).

>>4735669
Good thing I have this

>>4735675
Why are you a goddamn skeleton?

>>4735675
Why are YOU so awful?

>>4735676

>>4735680
>>4735687
>>4735690
Big brown poo with almost no real direction either artistically or storywise.

>>4735693
Your *face* doesn't make sense artistically or otherwise.

Seriously though Quake's awesome but whatever, tastes n' shit.

>>4735693
I shouldn't have to remind you about Carmack's words on story in games, and Quake legitimately has a more coherent art style than Doom does, with the brown castles, red moats, green catacombs and blue temples all looking unified anyway and textures from one style being easily used in the others, unlike Doom's eclectic mix of flayed bodies and detailed rock crevices next to brightly-colored My First Computer techbase textures, cartoony enemy sprites, and FIREBLU.

>>4735675
I assume you mean "why was quake 2 onward so awful compared to the masterpiece of ambient gothic horror and rocket deathmatch that was Quake 1" and the answer is that the Strogg were shitty and making the entire game lit with orange light was stupid

>>4735703
Quake is 90% brown though, everyone knows that, even Quake fans like Yahtzee point out how brown and samey-looking it is. Weird how people try to pretend like it isn't.

>>4735703
>I shouldn't have to remind you about Carmack's words on story in games
If Carmack says something that makes it objectively true?

>>4735703
I don't understand the fucking zombie knights and shit, is it supposed to be Lovecrafty? Because its fucking gay.

>>4735708
Meanwhile Doom changes drastically, you can't confuse an E1 map with an E3 one.

>>4735703
Carmack is an autistic freak who cares more about programming than actual video games.

>>4735708
The world is 90% brown except for leaves and all the plants in the quake dimension are dead

>>4735708
And yet that brown still looks better than 90% of Doom's texture work alone, before you even add the massively advanced level geometry and lighting.

>>4735713
The Knights aren't zombies.

>>4735719
>The world is 90% brown
Weird, I don't recall seeing brown where I live. Buildings aren't brown, either on the inside or the outside. Roads aren't brown either. Nor are cars, because people know that brown is a boring color, much less want to make areas whole mostly brown. Except id software back then apparently.
>>4735721
>And yet that brown
Ah so you do admit it's 90% brown, that's all I wanted to hear.

>>4735726
Hell, even Hell isn't brown. It has vibrant colors and they're easily identifiable from non-hell Doom maps. Meanwhile you'd have trouble trying to identify which episode a Quake screenshot is from unless you analyze it carefully and have all the maps memorized, because it's all so brown and samey.

>>4735715
everything in doom e3 looked like a pile of intestines or a puckered asshole with an eyeball inside
>>4735713
it was originally intended to be centered on realistic physics melee combat with your magic Thor quake hammer if you read the prerelease teasers but they ran out of time due to Romero spending the budget for hiring extra staff on his fine imported French hair care products so they had to shoehorn in a quick DOOMy weapon shooting game, but watch Quake Done Quick to see what a masterpiece it is. Then watch Quake Done Quick As A Fiend
>>4735717
carmack is a genius engine programmer and without him Doom would play like fucking Ultima Underworld

>>4735703
>Eclectic brightly colors>>>>>>>>>>Shit colors

>>4735730
>watch Quake Done Quick to see what a masterpiece it is

>Watch speedrunner shit

>>4735729
rocky and moldy: episode 2
lots of gray and metal: episode 3
weird architecture and vaguely religious design: episode 4

>>4735730
How does speedrun shit make it a masterpiece?

>>4735708
It's a good use of brown IMO.

>>4735726
I never denied it's brown, it's so brown Mr. Regular would have an orgasm over how brown it is. Yet somehow that brown (and grey/red/green/blue/purple) looks better than Doom. It's amazing.

>>4735732
No, sorry. A kindergartner painting shapes with their Crayola finger-paints in primary CMY colors is not inherently superior to someone painting using more muted colors with a wider variety of individual tones.

>>4735726
thinks where you live aren't brown because they are painted. If you left everything to moulder for centuries it would all be brown. Half the monsters don't even have eyes. And remember that Quake engine was all software at the start so fancy textures with lots of bright colors would look like aliased shit. Quake's brown and muddied textures helped mask the fact that there's only so much you can achieve in terms of full screen fully 3D rendering on a Pentium 90 with 16 gigs of ram and a software renderer.
remember that Quake was originally an MS-DOS program although it got a windows client fairly early on if I recall

>>4735730
>everything in doom e3 looked like a pile of intestines or a puckered asshole with an eyeball inside
Not only is that false, but even if it were true, that would be more variety than Quake's boring ass brown level design that permeates it almost entirely. When people think Quake, people think BROWN. When people think Doom, people think all sorts of colors.

The funny thing is that you're trying to defend Quake by comparing it to ONE episode of Doom, and with false information, too.

>>4735676

>>4735737
>>4735734
because it showcases the true 3D nature of the world building and level designs which was unprecedented at the time, along with the physics modeling again in full 3D.
Then look at Doom speedrunning and you'll notice that it's basically Wolf3D with variable floor height.

>>4735748
that's thicc as fucc

Even the hub area is brown.

>>4735730
>everything in doom e3 looked like a pile of intestines or a puckered asshole with an eyeball inside
Except it didn't at all.

That's like, the opening shot of the first map, after that, E3 is relatively conservative with the fleshy stuff.
It's much more bricky and marbley.

>>4735730
>everything in doom e3 looked like a pile of intestines or a puckered asshole with an eyeball inside
Good job showing that you have childish levels of bias, this makes people not take you seriously.

>>4735743
>When people think Doom, people think all sorts of colors.
when people think doom, people think of STARTAN1, super shotguns, and RIP N TURR
literally nobody outside places like /vr/ gives a shit about which game is more brown, we're the autists getting up in arms about pixel-peeping instead of eating the skellington meme pill shit

"I'm sure with the benefit of hindsight we can all agree Quake wasn't exactly easy on the eye. Which was your favourite Quake level? The brown castle, the greenish brown temple, or the other brown castle? Jericho shows us exactly how far we've come with the levels being, in order: brown ruins, more brown ruins, brown castle, more brown castle and revenge of the brown castle."
— Yahtzee

>>4735753
post the second part of the hub area with the blue e2 and e3 gates

>>4735762
>posting the opinions of a literal who like they're fact

>>4735743
to be honest I haven't played episodes 2 or 3 since probably 1995 because they are so fucking tedious.
in fact once the novelty wears off Doom is basically the most tedious thing you can do with a computer that doesn't involve boxes full of punch cards.
Quake, on the other hand, is just fucking fun.
Doom is actually more fun to watch on YouTube than it is to play

>>4735762
Dice games don't have opinions, dipshit.

>>4735767
He's only spouting an opinion that can be shared by anyone with eyes, that Quake is brown as hell. And he loves Quake.

>>4735765
Did you put a Deus Ex HR filter on that image? Because I know for a goddamn fact DM4 isn't that brown at all; shit, func_msgboard literally just had a map jam centered around its styling.

>>4735763
I sure am taken aback by such vibrant colors.

Not to mention the levels themselves go back to being brown anyway.

>>4735762
>misplacing the exaggerated snark he puts on for Zero Punctuation (where it being fast and short is the point) as his absolute, unfiltered and honest opinion
He's spoken a lot more about it outside of that.
Yeah, Quake had a lot of brown going, he did say that.

>>4735781
He's himself said on his blog when talking about Zelda PH that only fanboys claim that what he says on his reviews are jokes to dismiss them, sure they are made to laugh but they're also true. More importantly, that quote of his is completely right, Quake is mostly samey brown levels.

Oh wait, there's also some gray too, can't forget that.

Quake has too much underwater shit in it.

>>4735771
My dice board friend visits this thread, jerk.

>>4735789
He also has explicitly stated that nobody likes when he's nice to a game, hence why he will exaggerate for effect, even with a game he likes.

>Oh wait, there's also some gray too, can't forget that.
Ok, but where are you going with all of this?

Why did Rage suck so much if Carmack was behind it?

>>4735802
I thought it was ok.

>>4735802
I liked Rage well enough, too much Mad Max bullshit though.

>>4735805
The Mad Max shit was the point

>>4735793
I'm having flashbacks to that horrible underwater map Joel played last contest.

>>4735756
>childish levels of bias because episode 3 loses all the fun parts of the earlier episodes and is just a massive chore to play
>meanwhile the guy poopooing another game because "it's too brown" is the epitome of sophistication
there's also the issue that doom's levels don't even really look like anything most of the time because they're not laid out in any kind of realistic way and are mostly just a series of interconnected rooms and monster closets with different textures and platforms that go up and down.
the military bases didn't feel like bases, hell didn't ever feel like hell, it all was just mazes with different paint on the walls. While Quake on the other hand really felt like some kind of otherworldly mysterious place

>>4735806
So what are you angry about today? No tendies?

>>4735806
>someone was upset enough to make this and thought it would do anything but make the Quake defense force look like children, ironically

>>4735809
>meanwhile the guy poopooing another game because "it's too brown" is the epitome of sophistication
No, I think we can all agree that both of those persons are fucking dipshits.

>>4735804
Did he think final bosses were an outdated concept?

>>4735762
ziggurat vertigo was pretty cool, and that blue deathmatch map that had the platforms where you could make people fall in the lava. There was that weird checkerboard level with the blue blobs everywhere that killed you, also the Ancient God's Shrine or whatever the name was with the stained glass windows and the fiends that jumped down at you was pretty cool. The soundtrack with the whispering voices was also cool. Necropolis was kind of scary because you had all these zombies that wouldn't die unless you blew them up

>Reelism 64 on Round 64

nice

Round 102's my top score on Reel Stadium. Not gonna lie, I plan to cheat if I'm about to roll 4-4-4.

Quake looks so much better with texture filtering

>>4735830
oh no

>>4735821
I think the game was rushed out before they finished it, because the last part feels very thin and brief.
Given the graphics problems that the game had on PC in particular, I would say that supports that notion, too.

There's a pretty decent bossfight in the game early on, so it's not like they couldn't make another.
They released a DLC with an all new bossfight, I think to make up for the fact that the end of the game is complete bullshit and lackluster.
It was kind of a meh DLC.

As for what Carmack thinks, I have no clue, he wasn't the the director or anything, he wasn't involved in the level design, character design or the gameplay, Carmack does the engine and code, that's what he always did at iD Software, and what he did until he left, for the very most part.

>>4735830
>>4735835
>>4735829
Do something else with your time.

>>4735829
Everyone in this thread may disagree on the subject of brown, but I hope they can agree you are worse than any of them.

>>4735825

Well, that was fast. Normally the Devil Driver is easy because he (and most mechanical bosses) are weak to fire, but a brony *blocked my path* for a nanosecond and I got ohko'd.

Has anyone made maps based on TNT's spaceships made of flesh and metal yet?

4734286

Some guy was talking about Kirby Superstar and made it sound like there is a KS mod for Doom..

Is that a real thing?

>>4735830
am I doing it right

>>4735845
I would love to see that.

>>4735806
Fixed

>>4735865
End of discussion.

>>4735865

Why did Quake become multiplayer only bullshit like Unreal?

>>4735875
In the end they are the same

>>4735878
>Multiplayer was more respected than its singleplayer
>Series probably having some weird case of an identity crysis which is why there's different themes
>New Doom even has Quad Damage on its singleplayer campaign
Might be this

>>4735879
Doom is fun, Quake is not.

maybe this is more accurate

>>4735885
quake is far more fun than doom
I would rather go to work than play doom

>>4735830
Cartoon violence vs. gritty mindfuckery

>>4735891
You're either lying or fucking insane.

>>4735885
>Quake is not [fun]
for you

>>4735885
>>4735891

>>4735894
the opposite is the case

>>4735878
You mean Q3A and ETQW? Q2 and Q4 both had SP campaigns.

>>4735327
don't you have any homing rockets to go shoot, champ?

>>4735905
Even if I wanted a real singleplayer campaign game for Quake 3, I still kind of liked Quake 3.

>>4735891
>I don't like Doom

Then why are you even posting in the Doom general?

>>4735916
well I like doom I just don't like playing it
watching it is loads of fun though

>>4735919

>>4735916
saying quake is more fun than doom doesn't mean you don't like doom. You just like quake more.

Also this is retro FPS general, you should know that by now

>>4735919
Doom cuck

what's with all the bickering and the bait questions?

>>4735925
It's probably someone who's cranky over something stupid and taking it out on us.

>>4735915
Q3A is pretty much deathmatch distilled down to its purest and most perfected form, at least gameplay wise. The one area I'd dock points is the maps- a lot of them just don't feel as solid or well-designed as UT99's, outside of obvious long-runners like Campgrounds.

>>4735921
I really enjoyed playing it when I was 14, even made some dehacked patches.
made a flamethrower once and changed the bullet puff animation to the rocket in flight frame so when you shot the SSG at a wall 21 rockets would spawn and fall out of the air and blow up
it seemed cool at the time anyway

>>4735925
Atleast it's better thab the last two days, where nobody posted.
I think

>>4735934
>changed the bullet puff animation to the rocket in flight frame so when you shot the SSG at a wall 21 rockets would spawn and fall out of the air and blow up
haha i did exactly the same thing. it's a shame the rockets either fall down under gravity, or slowly float upwards like bullet puffs if you remove the gravity flag, because that looks a bit stupid.

>>4735934
oh yeah I also made a sound patch where I replaced all the sounds with clips from Rambo.
Unfortunately I only had an old analog VCR with a copy of Rambo first blood part 2 taped on 6 hour mode off TV and I didn't have long enough cables so o recorded to an audiotape player and then from that to windows sound recorder and trimmed the sound samples
however
I didn't know about the variable pitch randomizer thing and I didn't have denoising software so the played back sound effects were randomly pitched loud white noise with various samples of Vietnamese screaming and sheriffs deputies saying "we ain't hunting him, he's hunting us" as the "imp nearby snorting noise"
I tried so hard but in the end it didn't even matter

>>4735314

New Q1SP Map made by me, Mire Prison

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1iwq_lBPaEDxqee4Qr430fCequXNyx3Fs

Looking to get some feedback. Pic related

>>4735315
see >>4735951

>>4735940
I was always disappointed that the BFG blasts didn't seem to work right in dehacked. That was back before it was common knowledge that the BFG explosions don't do any radius damage at all

>>4735954
thanks m8

>>4735925
Ignoring shitters is an actual lost art in a post gg age.

Well, I can't believe it. In the new BDV21 beta, Mark actually removed the fucking horrible rolling-by-sprinting mechanic. I wonder if that means he lurks here?

How do you guys keep motivation to work on your maps?

why does everybody only play a quake champions doom mod and complex doom invasion on doomseeker, i just want to play some fun doom coop.

>>4735964
>April 25:
>- Player can now roll left/right by holding the Shift button and pressing A or D.
What do you mean?

Today on "Mark has no idea what the fuck weapon balance is", here's the "Assault Shotgun" in BDV21. 20 shells able to be fired faster than the regular shotgun's ADS firerate. (since you basically slamfire it) It outclasses basically anything and can be gotten as soon as the super shotgun. Even the Autoshotgun in Project Brutality had SOME downsides.

>>4735989
I was confused too, but that changelog is old, I think. The rolling mechanic isn't there and I can't find an option to enable it, so I guess that 'feature' was removed and he forgot to edit the changelog. Keep in mind the rolling was added on the March 27th build. Which was... only released on his Patreon, but as a public post viewable by anyone? He just didn't put it on Moddb for whatever reason.

>>4735939
Nobody posted for most of yesterday because Hiroshimoot broke the server the second time this week.

>>4735990
>Automatic shotguns in Doom mods are overpowered
Nothing new there.

>>4735985
If you want to play some coop it's really easy to set up your own server and be sure to tell us if you do.
https://allfearthesentinel.net

>>4735990
Does it still work in latest gzdoom?

>>4735989
>>4735993
Oh sorry, I got it wrong, it was March 27, not April 25. Mark stuffed up his formatting.

>>4735964
>removed the fucking horrible rolling-by-sprinting mechanic
Huh, how did that mechanism work? Just realized I haven't played BD in a while and the v21 Beta I have is from Dec 16, and that version still had dedicated keys for rolling left and right.

>>4736004
Surprisingly, yes.
>>4735997
That's a fair point, actually. I think the only Doom mod with a non-overpowered autoshotgun is Hideous Destructor, but that barely counts since it's just a firemode for the pump-shotgun. And, well, it's Hideous Destructor. Funnily enough, Trailblazer and Project Brutality both have automatic shotguns, either in the form of an upgrade and an entirely new weapon. And in BOTH mods there's an upgrade for their respective autoshotgun that replaces the shell-by-shell reloading method (which is a good way to temper the power of an automatic shotgun in a game) with a magazine-based reload. (even though it's a stripload in trailblazer) I think it's a neat coincidence. Also, sorry that I use brackets so much.

>>4736008
Basically, if while holding down your dedicated sprint button you pressed A or D, you would perform the rolling animation that normally required its own keybind. This means that if you don't enable autorun, either in player options or just by pressing the key for it, trying to strafe while sprinting would lock you into a thirdperson rolling animation. There was no option to disable it.

>>4735990
No downsides in the DB auto shotgun? Well, at least it takes ages to reload and chews up your ammo supply like no tomorrow if you're too trigger happy.

https://streamable.com/jcieh

Windows are still deadly. I wish I knew how to webm.

>>4735802
It didn't suck, it just wasn't amazing. And carmack is a programmer, not so much a designer.
My only real complaint about the game is the invisible walls in some areas.

>>4736013
So, strafe left/right key while sprinting? Definitely some major grade BS without being able to change it.

On a related note, is WASD still a thing? I haven't used that for over a decade now after switching to UHJK due to needing much more keys surrounding the movement keys in some game, probably OFP or something.

metadoom having hellrazers replacing the zombiemen would make more sense if they had the same amount of health, since they're ability already brings some gameplay difference

>>4736009
does anyone even use the pump mode for the HD shotgun? auto mode is supposed to result in frequent jamming but it happens once in a blue moon, and you've always got the slayer to swap to.

>>4736059
>they're
their*

>>4735985
I played some (a lot of) GMOTA last week. The servers were usually empty at first, but other people connected not long after I started.

>>4735990
This isn't really a case of weapon balance, but I'd say it's still related. The "Heavy Machine Gun" is a really weird weapon to include. It fires somewhat faster than the rifle, has about the same accuracy as the minigun, doesn't need to reload, and has a grenade launcher that uses rockets. Thing is, in practice it basically acts as a mix between the minigun and rifle without really being unique in any way. If you want accuracy, use the rifle, if you want firerate without reloads, use the minigun. The grenade launcher also isn't as effective as just using the rocket launcher itself. I guess it was just added so Mark can say "Hey, here's another feature". It also means you can have up to 3 weapons on slot 3 that you have to scroll through to get the one you want.

>>4736060
I still pump it. It's just the way I learned it, there was no semiauto when I started playing. I still fire both SSG barrels manually too instead of holding the fire mode key to do it.

>>4736030
4chan webm maker (easy but doesn't compress enough sometimes)
or ffmpg

>>4736030
use webm for retards, it gets good results and lets you do some minor editing as well

>DetailedCredits.txt doesn't include anything related to monsters, sounds, decorations, special effects or the map enhancement script
Ehhh... I'm hoping the ""official"" release comes with credits.

>>4736105
>>4736107
Thanks a ton! Took a tiny bit of configuring, but this works like a charm.

>>4736030
cloudconvert.com

>>4736112

I still have yet to be credited for graphics even after directly calling him out on Doomworld about it.
Lol.

>Playing Doom/Doom 2 again
>you get to THAT level
What's it's name /vr/?

For me it's E3M7, Gates of Limbo is a motherfucker cuz I never remember the teleporter order so I always waste time figuring em out again

>>4735401
That boy aint right

>>4736112
>Sgt mark 4
>Crediting
Gave me a hearty kek

>>4735489
> eat pain, shit death

>>4735315
func_msgboard is having a 100-brush mapping competition:
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61565

>>4735875
>chaingunner guy
i get it

>>4736237

objectively correct

>>4735964
>I wonder if that means he lurks here?
of course he does. he drops by every so often, coincidentally whenever a new test build of the mod comes out, so as to bask in the "supreme butthurt" of his most critical playerbase portion.

you know, just like every other overly defensive content creator in the 21st century who genuinely believes that any type of negative feedback ought to be dismissed or interpreted in a facetious manner because it's totally disingenuous and bias towards poor, poor me.

>>4736247
I kinda wish he'd move on to something else, but at this point he's known as "the brutal doom guy" so he's damned himself in that sense. It'd be nice if he chilled out and focused on making maps and stuff.
That's just wishful thinking in wanting to see more cooperation and collaboration within the Doom scene, and less dumb bickering.

>>4735306
>Come on - is that the best you can find?
considering the content in this update is pretty much pic related?

yes.
congratulations to mark, after aeons of criticism that his mod is too bloated and he needs to focus less on needless content, congratulations for finally getting the idea through his skull and releasing a beta update that's solely bugfixes, polish, and optimization.

now fucking fix shit.

>>4736264
He should release a "throwback" style of Brutal, back when it wasn't overflowing with weapons and crazy graphical features. Not something as light as BURLTUMD, and certainly not something the size of his mod's latest incarnations, but a nice halfway point. Keep the core stuff like taunts and gore, and take out the weird map enhancement things and the superfluous weapons.
He should also certainly make more maps, HoE:SE was quite good, if not a bit cryptic.

>>4736194
Literally all of Doom 2 except Dead Simple. Sandy is a hack

>>4736194
That never happens to me in Doom 1 because they're all split up into 8-10 level episodes instead of being a 30+ level slog.

>>4736303
dead simple is a boring arena
downtown is a thousand times more interesting

>>4734740
>Man, I still want Unreal Engine style corona lights to be a thing in (G)Zdoom.
Late as fuck but...

>>4735887
quake a cute

>>4736107
Webm for retards is one of my favorite free programs. Works like a charm... If charms worked...

It's good.

>>4736313
Nice but you can still see the light when you're behind the pillar.

Sewie's slowly but surely getting ready for action

>>4736347
Because I gave it a smooth fade.

>>4736247
He had a map in 200 minutes of /vr/ even. He recycled it later for some other release that I don't remember.

>>4736348
So she is basically the evil counterpart, like Harime Nui? Even the names are a bit similar-sounding

>>4736351
Just hearing that name makes my blood boil.

>>4736351
Nah, she's a support character more of actually
Lore wise she's a demon that stalks (and thirsts after) Daina

>>4736308
save for how it's a complete fucking travesty in regards to level design and texture use.

>>4735887
what did he mean by this?

>>4736394
it's a great map, you're just bad at navigation. i bet you get lost on the way to the fridge.

>>4736194
Map 12: Factory

>>4736303
You're a hack.

>>4736223
a modern 10 sectors competition could be interesting

>>4736394
it doesn't look beautiful but it's fun to explore

>>4735612
i want to play that test stage

>>4735675
It's more boring for me than awful.
Overall i found quake's atmosphere no way interesting as doom's,too much brown textures and i don't know... the whole game felt kind of empty like it's missing something but i can't point my finger at what.

>>4736423
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=57221

Genuinely one of the best things Kins has made, it's just a good big ass map for testing a bunch of crap in a hurry.

>>4736348
why she shirt so small??

>>4736410
I end up at your mom.

>>4736447
finna dabbed on

>>4736447
damn

https://www.file-upload.com/u213zd54ubgm
Made this out of boredom. Quick D64 weapon reskin, no smooth animations or fancy effects. Could be vanilla compatible if the weapons weren't PNGs, but the paletted versions came out ugly

>>4735314

ok

>>4736468
were barrels involved?
what map is that?

>>4736313
H-How?

>>4736468

I can barely read that fucking font.

>>4736348
>Sewie

>>4736489
could be worse.
at least it's not requiem

>>4736497
huh? what's wrong with requiem's font? are you getting it confused with something else?

>>4736504
yeah, can't recall the name, sorry

>>4736509
fair enough, sorry for jumping on you, just thought it was a strange thing to complain about...

>>4736510
np
have some buttery trite legs
hope you get the reference otherwise I'm going to feel like a nuclear nerd

is there some (good) q3a single player campaign mod ?

>>4736424
>the whole game felt kind of empty like it's missing something but i can't point my finger at what.
epic skellington maymays

>>4736539
Imagine being this butthurt over skeletons.

>that moment when you have 4 consecutive holidays but you want to keep going to work because your wife literally went crazy

haha, doom... guys

>>4736546
delete facepicbook, hit the grotto, lawyer up

>>4736546
>He fell for the marriage meme
You only have yourself to blame.

>>4736542
Some weird stretching going on in this gif.

>>4736557

I'm not married

but I have a daughter

>>4736546
Stay strong, brother.

>>4736542
Tbh quake is very much lacking in the skeleton department compared to doom.

>>4736194
Barrels 'o Fun for the days where I can't pull of some sick midair barrel sniping or when I can't clear a barrel fast enough after shooting one.

Also the part of that level with the pain elementals floating between me and the wall switch.

>>4736530
g-guys?

>>4736593
probably not

>>4736593
There's a big, fancy map that involves a singular player traversing through a big castle, shooting switches and solving puzzles. Then there's Hunter's Moon, a GZDoom mod that aims to create a single player campaign for Q3. Of course, if you care for "accuracy" to the original game, you'll be disappointed.

>>4735815
Kinda pisses me off about all the Anons that kept saying it was dead without any actual proof.

>>4736610
Actually, i agree on that, i don't aim Hunter's Moon at being a perfect recreation of Quake 3 on GZDoom to be honest, that's why i didn't even bothered in make hacks or something to make strafe jumping work and some other few stuff.

Then there's that people which ask "Quake 3 on Doom? Why not play Quake 3 itself then?", this is exactly the reason, i recommend people playing Quake 3 itself for technical and performance reasons if they wants PvP game modes of "pure skill" for real, HM's purpose is exactly cover the entire part Q3 lacks but retaining the frenzy the game have in populated matches, Hunter's Moon is so restricted at SP/Coop experience that it doesn't work at all for Deathmatch and stuff of the kind if you try to setup the gamemode.

>>4736593
>>4736596
There have been attempts, but nothing really noteworthy that I remember. There was a mod called EntityPlus which added a bunch of cool features for mappers but I don't know if any good maps were made for it.

There is one mod going by the very simple name of "Hunt". Has a coop gametype where hordes of enemies spawn all over the map and you have to pick up artifacts to finish. I remember I really enjoyed that one. Customizable to no end and it worked surprisingly well with bots too.

I really suck at explaining this. Found only one video of it, and naturally it's just pants-on-head retarded with it's config of enemy skins, and on a map that doesn't really play well with that gametype. Better than nothing I guess:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBT5PJxD3CU

>>4736610
Would that be Sock's "Edge of Forever" you're talking about? There's more maps like that one, I think.

>>4736617
I never played this Hunt mod, but seems to be pretty much the Invasion mutator from the UT series, in UT3 that mutator was also fanmade and plays exactly like this one, as in Enemies are just regular bots with weird skins and a single invisible weapon that keeps spawning randomly in the map to kill the player making the game mostly a Survival Holdout in case.

>>4736624
I see the parallels but there's a bit more to it, than that.

I just remembered that Doomguy had brass knuckles

>>4736642
I just remembered we're out here.

>>4736650
and that we're in there

>>4736617
Yeah, EoF. Sock is a real genius, he's made very impressive Q1 and 3 maps. Though I suppose doing such things for a living helps.

>>4736651
and that he's the sheriff

>>4736617
Is there a link to the mod? I can't find many websites, and hunt is a pretty generic word.

>>4736685
https://www.lonebullet.com/mods/download-hunt-mod-quake-3-arena-mod-free-37111.htm

All I found. Seems good ol' quakeunity.com went down for good. Damn, that's a lot of Q3 content gone.

>>4736678
What I wanna know is where's the Martian?

>>4735770
That's your personal taste.

It's not mine, and I heavily disagree. fucker.

>>4736695
Marvin replacement for doomguy face animations when

>>4736701
Marvin was always more fun and relatable than bugs or daffy
Also, all the sci fi guns and fuckery made little kid me happy, so I'll give him credit for that too.

>>4736701
>Pick up gun
>"OOH. isn't that lovely?"
>Get berserk pack
>"You are making me very angry indeed!"
I don't know where you could work in "where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth shattering kaboom!" But we need that too.

Fuck this. We need a full on Marvin mod.

>Thursday Night Survival
>Is done at evening

>>4736715
Put it as the icon of sin pain noise

Doom 64 is pretty fun so far desu

Any tips/advice? I just got the Unmaker and first Demon Key.

>>4736738
Make sure you get all three runes or whatever
I couldn't beat the final boss without it

>>4736743
Not only do they upgrade the Unmaker but also shut down those portals.
It's weird how d64 feels like it's secretly focused on its new weapon, even though most people won't even noticed there are any upgrades for it.

>>4736738
I never really understood the Unmaker. Is it stronger than the plasma rifle without keys? Is it stronger than the BFG when upgraded?

>>4736753
Without any keys, it seems to be stronger than the Plasma Rifle.

With 2+ keys, it seems to be stronger than the BFG.

That's just my observation, though.

huh

FreeDoom maps, as PWADs
https://mega.nz/#F!j0cgkJKT!QXo16jxgK1iQf-92Sx1gdA
I couldn't find them so I just remade them.

Which PC version of Doom 64 should I play?

>>4736883
Doom64EX if you want accuracy, Doom 64 Retribution if you want GZDoom features.

Also, what do you guys think of Dusk?

>>4736910
i think it's not retro

>>4736738
>>4736743
I managed to get beat the boss without any runes (on the second difficulty).
The most important thing was to kill the pain elementals ASAP during the invulnerability phase, and to not get snagged on the buttons when circle strafing around the whole arena
BFG made the actual fight a little shorter, so use rockets on the PEs and everything else if you can.
last of all, if you die like I did, but the boss is already dying, you win the game!

as for an actual tip, if you ever get stuck, you might be looking for a shoot-to-activate switch. those show up in annoying places.

>>4736910
Fun but not retro.

>>4736917
>>4736914
I know, I just figured I'd get more interest here than on something like /v/.

>>4736845
>>4735315
I dunno if any of the old links for stuff like this are alive so maybe news post it

>>4736910
it's okay, gameplay is a bit more tight that most retro shooters but level design was lacking, lots of open areas and obvious monster closets.

Tried out Hideous Destructor for the first time today with the first few maps in Doom 1 and 2 on the easiest difficulty so I can continue to get used to and figure out everything that's in the manual. Eventually I'll bump it up a bit and then tango with the bleeding mechanic.
Man, it's pretty interesting having to revert back to the kind of ammo scavenging I do in STALKER, but it's fun when you get a good groove going.

Still trying to get the hang of the fact that you can't pick up partial magazines, but there's a pretty steady supply of other stuff, so it's not an issue. Especially with shotguns.

Also having some ammo boxes trigger grenades was sneaky and Yokai freak me out.

Do you think At Doom's Gate would had have the success it did if it was the music of E1M2 or some other level instead of E1M1?

>>4736982
I think it could honestly go either way with that. Depending on where and when it was used if not E1M1, though, at the same time, first level music tends to have the most lasting impression on most people with most series.

>>4736982
Sign of Evil is super popular despite not being e1m1. Same with the intermission song.

>>4735704
You're as much of a moron as him.

>>4736997

I use to hum the Intermission song to my baby...

What's a good weapon pack and map pack to combine with Bratwurst?

>>4736009
>I think the only Doom mod with a non-overpowered autoshotgun is Hideous Destructor,
Project MSX too.

Just found this for the first time. I imagine it's been posted before, but hooooly shit.

>>4737015
I don't know what to suggest for maps honestly, so if anyone else wants to do that feel free. For weapon packs though I can name a few I've used with it.

Doom Incarnate - For if you want to mix New Wolf style gun gameplay with the Old Wolf enemies.

High Noon Drifter - For if you want to kill Nazis as a Cowboy (and a Big Fucking Waifu)

Heretical Doom - For if you want to kill Nazis as a Wizard (and a Leveling System)

Trailblazer - Because I'm pretty sure killing Nazis is something an 80's action movie character would do.

Kira's Bizarre Adventure - Because honestly Kira is a wonderful JoJo villain and playing as him in this mod is honestly just a blast.

Obviously others are free to point out things I missed or if they think my taste is shit, but this is what I personally tried with it.

And if anyone wants to point out any map packs for me or the original asker both then obviously go for it because I could always use more stuff to play.

>>4737026
Corporal Cock can't even spell "whiny" right

>>4737042
or he got his feedback from /mlp/ :^)

>>4737039
I can't recommend any maps, (aside from slaughterwad-style maps with some of the more overpowered mods I suggest) but I have more gameplay mod ideas.

Russian Overkill, if you wanna fight Facism with Communism! (and very large guns)

Faspons, if you wanna fight Nazis, but with some pretty standard but very polished and configurable weapons! (can't remember if it's compatible with monster mods)

Beautiful Doom, if you wanna fight nazis with smoothed out doom weapons with flashy visuals. Make sure to comment out all the monster related lines, though it's easy and comments in the main DECORATE file show you how.

Hearts of Demons: Baron, if you wanna fight nazis as a hulking Baron of hell with some oversized guns and powerful spells. Just be careful with the napalm rockets, they're FPS decimating.

Final Doomer, if you wanna fight nazis with weaponsets themed after Final Doom's maps!

That's all I can think of at the moment.

>>4737051
>Russian Overkill
Ah shit, how could I mention one Pillow Blaster mod, without mentioning the other obvious choice for fighting Nazi Scum?

Then again it's like 2 AM here so my head ain't on straight.

As for the other ones mentioned, Final Doomer I have as well and I can't believe I didn't think to give that a go, but the rest I'll go download them and check them out. Thanks!

MAN I SURE LOVE NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE SHIT

this is on normal blood settings. what the fuck.

>>4736313
You can't just show this and not say any more Anon

magic missile

New shotgun by DoomNukem and PillowBlaster! Again...fun doing work you've already done before!

>>4736483
A crapton of math + zscript hudmessage

>>4737186
That's a sexy shotgun. Also holy shit TSP is still alive.

>>4737189
Damn. Sounds hacky as hell. Would be nice if it was a proper implementation in the renderer (a sprite that's rendered after map geometry and fades in/out if the player can see the center of it).

>>4737192
If it gets past the chicken man

>>4737026
>Whinny kids on /vr/
I guess he wanted to say whiny. But goddammit Mark if you want to insult someone at least make sure you wrote it right.

>>4737194
He's a BR, that's to be expected.

>>4737195
huehuehue[\spoiler]

>>4737194
There's also this.
Also how do you fuck up making a reload yes/no cvar

>>4737186
> wooden vertical foregrip pump
my pants have ripped at the groin

Finally all monsters are in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g01OsOhDV8

I was reminded that this screen always gave me the impression the Cyberdemons sprite was looking upward basking in the launched missile.

>>4737261
Is that an unused player sprite?

I just keep finding new ways to make dumb shit that makes me laugh

>>4737267
Still impressed how natural TEXTURES is to you

>>4737261
I also thought that the cropped plasma gun reload sprite in there was the BFG. I imagined some big badass shiny black metal cannon.

>>4737268
Such is life when you can't use A_Overlay.

>>4737261
40 dollars? yeah right.

>>4737268
Figures I'd be used to the weird clunky thing. I blame WW-Style spurring me to fuck around with TEXTURES.
Shit's fun. I highly recommend anyone wanting to challenge themselves with a gameplay mod to just make some shit using nothing but stock Doom assets and TEXTURES.

>>4737275
A complete rip off being 1/3 of the game is literally free.
It'll be in a bargain bin in no time.

Can we use this for the next thread?
Just the fact they used Arnold Schwarzenegger for Doomguy is amazing.

>>4737285
Holy shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuhY0GqEAq4

>>4736885
>>4737026
It has, but it's always fun to make fun of admiral aspestos.
>Gaming journalists
Way to bite the hand that feeds you, mark.

>>4737285
We need more stupid magazine covers like this.

Got those two covers from a Tumblr blog called TechTurd. It's neat and it also has gems like this one.

These ex-buffed bosses are gonna be true fun

>>4737275
>>4737282
games in 1993 were $50 on average and some console games like the street fighter games that had extra hardware in the cartridge were upwards of $70
doom was a bargain

>>4737263
Unused?

i think i noticed something wrong with my automap
usually, when it's on, it moves but now only the arrow is seen moving, while the map is just still
but when i try to uncheck and check again, it's actually moved somehow
i'm using the latest gzdoom and are there any options to bring back being able to make the automap move?
and also, actually zoom in and out?

>>4737285
Dark Forces was objectively the best of those games if you leave out the fact that it didn't have multiplayer but to be fair Doom didn't have internet play so if you were a teenager playing it on the family computer it was irrelevant
ROTT was funny as shit though

>>4737420
You probably pressed F while viewing the automap. Think that's the default bind for toggling follow mode. Zandybam/GZDoom can have map specific binds, as in, you can have a button do something different when pressed while viewing the automap.

>>4737426
i happen to hafe f binded as using iventory items

>>4737435
Okay. Now read what I said again about keys acting differently when viewing the automap.

https://zdoom.org/wiki/Customize_map_controls

>>4737026
Reminder that Brutal Doom makes many of the monsters much easier. The Cyberdemon is an absolute joke, where you can seriously kill him with three shots from the SSG.

Meanwhile, there's people on /vr/ who happily play slaughter maps and hard mods like Hideous Destructor.

>>4737538
you're obsessed, man

>>4737542
Right back at you, Deputy Domingo.

>Even Simpler

>>4737291
I'm seen some over the top shotgun pump swings, but come the fuck on. That's just bad.

>>4737314
>a game of lord for the tappers
Uh, thanks Google Translate.
Pretty lady in the corner, there

>>4737556
Given the silly style of Golden Souls, I'm fine with it.

>>4737590
>In 4:3 the shotgun just disappears offscreen between shots, and when reloading
Ehh I don't like it.

>>4737397
I don't think any Street Fighter had an enhancement chip... Could be wrong.

>>4737659
I seem to remember some of the SNES super duper extra turbo fancy tournament plus edition ones were at a premium price due to (ostensibly) special hardware in the cartridge which may just mean they had more ROM capacity rather than special chips. I haven't ever investigated it so this memory is based off what was written in game magazines at the time and might be bullshit

Found another one and something is really off here.

>>4737678
mancubus? but with horns. hmm

>>4737659
>>4737672
just looked it up and it was around $70 or even more in some places, didn't have any enhancement chips but the cartridges were as large as 32 megabit depending on edition. Unclear if the high price was due to manufacturing cost or simply because they knew people would pay it

>>4735802
Carmack made the engine, so he can only be judged on how the engine itself works.

>>4735802
>>4737701

m e g a t e x t u r e s

>>4737721
*unholsters autism*

You got a problem with M E G A T E X T U R E S, pa?

>>4737538
But are there people here who play slaughter maps with Hideous Destructor?

>>4737015
WildWeasel's NAZIS!! is pretty alright, my only gripe with it is that he put in so many different weapons but due to ammo availability you're just going to be using the MP40 with it 99% of the time

>>4737678
Reminds me of the 3d rendered sprites in Doom troopers.

>>4737543
Trying so hard to fit in.

>>4737814
I remember using a wider roster of weapons besides just the mp40 on my runs with it

>>4737678
that rocket launcher looks like a lego mockup

I see why they went for low-res photoshoots instead of actual 3d models. those would NOT have aged nicely at all

>>4737026
There is a unique symbiotic relationship at work here. Read on chaps and I'll explain.

Mark likes this kind of drama in a way, it annoys him but he'll like rising up to tell people to fuck off. He's naturally confrontational like that in the way that some artists hate all critics. Don't get irked at the word ''artist'', in the context of this conversation we'll use that word and you know what I mean anyway. How many musicians or actors are there out there that think anybody who has a problem with them is full of shit and knows nothing and what would they know as their fans all think they're awesome? Exactly.

Second, there *is* somebody or somebodys out there that enjoys pissing and whining about Mark and who jumps at the first chance to whine about him here. Not helped by the fact that Mark isn't the most palatable person socially, these two feed off eachother in an endless loop. One such person I've seen complain about Mark's opinions on things outside of Doom, which to me says they're making it a personal matter.

Said critic goes beyond complaining about Brutal itself and instead wants to whine about Mark, Mark is a diva and wants to tell them "you're all against me because I'm so awesome!". Both get the dopamine high, critic from feeling like "See? Mark's a jerk!" and Mark from "Heh, I got to tell people I'm awesome and they're shit".

How does this end?
It doesn't unless they have sex with each other or they kill one another. If it was just one then the other would reminisce to us about how much they disliked the other.

>>4737856
Also, if either party is reading this don't pretend this is anything other than the inspired truth because you know deep down it is. Put the screenshot button down, Mark....
For my next prediction, the overzealous critic will complain to the moderators as you have done in every other incidence of this occurring.
/diagnosed

Just meet and get a room, let the passion flow and let it go, let it goooo-oooh.

>>4737678
That's exactly what the D64 mancubus and rocket launcher look like.
>they're shooting laser beams
fucking what

>>4737842
Don't disrespect me.

>>4737814
It is pretty overcrowded in the arsenal, yeah.
I honestly think you could cut down the weapons by half, a lot of them do the same thing.

I mean is it *really* necessary to have three different subguns in your arsenal at the same time? Then three rifles?
You start with a handgun, do you really need two more? The Luger and Walther have the same capacity and performance, why are both of them there?
Even if you had a system where you have limited slots and could only carry one type of weapon per slot (which actually wouldn't be a bad idea for WW_Nazis), those two pistols are so similar it's kind of inane to feature both of them.

>>4737789
iirc somebody here (presumably eric) did Scythe with it, in which i think at least maps 26 and 30 qualify as slaughter maps.

>>4737881
and what's the deal with the M1911
it's the only pistol that you have to repeatedly tap to fire, and it's also the only weapon in the game (unless I'm forgetting one, but definitely the only pistol) that has an actual proper reload, unlike the rest where they just drop below the screen for a second a la Goldeneye

>>4735875
that got me a good chukle

>>4737901
There's a 1911 pistol now too? I must have missed an update, because I don't remember that.

Also, that still really wouldn't make a significant difference over the Luger or Walther, the magazine is one round shorter, and it (arguably) would shoot a little bit harder.
It's a lot of similar shit to carry around at once.

>>4737721
Megatextures are great and everyone but me is an idiot.

So I think I want to play Doom 64 Retribution. Cause I'd rather play in GZDoom. Am I a faggot?

>>4735328
>>4735327
Yes you are.

HD isn't that bad but it is fundamentally an entirely different game from standard doom. And I mean it genuine is an entirely different game and there is not a single thing you can take for granted from your knowledge of standard doom.

The big, BIG problem with the mod is that there is no way for it to physically force you to find the manual in the Hideous Destructor-master folder, run it with word/wordpad and then read as much of it as you can understand, and play with it for a half hour on the lowest difficulty until you know how everything works. A pretty good comparison would probably be it's Red Orchestra to Doom's Call of Duty (not a quality assessment just a comparison).

The health and wounding system is NOT that punishing, but it is weirdly obtuse. It's basically a simplier You can't heal yourself with your body armor on, and if you get lit on fire, taking off your burning body armor is one of the only things that will put it out.

Yeah it's obtuse and kind of ridiculous with a level of detail, but there is an interesting, impossibly tense experience to be had. It's pretty much the opposite of a power fantasy.

... aside from well... >>4735489

>>4737881
>>4737926
Well it turned out there's a V2, where you indeed can carry only one weapon per slot.
Not sure I like it, actually.

I guess V1 was different enough, because I remember it being vaguely fun.

Quake is a mood piece with nothing below it's surface.

The fact that it has no story or direction is a valid criticism given the solid framing of the previous two games by id.

It's not some solidified vision outside of the sound design, it's a game that's more notable for it's influence and engine than it is for the gameplay itself. Maybe you like Quake's dueling combat better, but it kind of conflicts with a lot of the tight, claustrophobic levels. It's not really scary and it's not really conducive to fun either.

>>4737970
none of your criticisms have any impact on the gameplay, which is the most important part of quake (running and jumping around blasting monsters away)

>>4737949
no?

>>4737970
>Maybe you like Quake's dueling combat better, but it kind of conflicts with a lot of the tight, claustrophobic levels.
Is that a fancy way of saying "I don't like that I can't reliably circle-strafe every enemy in the game to death?"

>>4737051
>>4737039
I think I want to try it with Heretical Doom. So Now I just need a map pack.

Do I need to load Doom 2 in order to play Doom 64 Retribution?

just finally beat the first heretic episode for the first time
it was cool and i can't believe i've slept on playing the game

>>4737970
You sound like a fucking faggot who can't not argue with people.

>>4738000
That's good to hear, Heretic is a great game. If you want more maps to play afterwards I would recommend the 20 Heretics Challenge or the Heretic Community Chest.

>>4737970
alright friend

First time playing Scythe. What the fuck is with the difficulty spike? This shit was piss easy and now it's getting kinda stupid.

How many of the big gameplay mods change the monsters?

I'm trying to make my map compatible with such mods and am trying to structure the gameplay around things. I already know Brutal does and HD is too different to balance for.

>>4738027
>I'm trying to make my map compatible with such mods and am trying to structure the gameplay around things
That's going to be extremely tedious and difficult.

At best, you could design a map and then try to work it with one mod in mind, or maybe vanilla and then one mod in mind.

Is EDuke32 really still the best source port? If it is then it is but I remember running it and it's being so weirdly CPU-heavy.

>>4736194
u n h o l y
c a t h e d r a l

>>4736715
No, make that what plays after you kill the cyberdemon and it makes the tiny little sound, ala vanilla doom.

What's the best map editor for Doom? I've been taking some CAD drafting classes (AutoCAD and MasterCAM) for my manufacturing AA and I feel like I'm actually pretty good at drafting and 3d modeling and I want to take a crack at making some levels.

Likewise for Quake?

>>4735670
Oh shit someone played my map again. Yeah I've had complaints about that. I could have sworn I've seen it in places where it doesn't damage you so I decided to make it normal.

>start playing Doom episode 4
ahahah. What the fuck is this? I mean teleporters are cool and all but this is fucking ridiculous.

>>4737970
>Maybe you like Quake's dueling combat better, but it kind of conflicts with a lot of the tight, claustrophobic levels.
I thought tight areas is where dueling combat shines?

>>4738094
The first 2 maps of Episode 4 of vanilla doom are the hardest maps in the entire games.
Plutonia was hard but fair.
E4M1 and E4M2 are not only hard but borderline unfair too if your going for 100% completion.

>>4738094
You mean Episode 2?

>>4737551
Now imagine playing it on N64 when you're twelve.

>>4738096
>webm
How do you reach those items up there? I never figured that out.

>>4738087
>best map editor for Doom
GZDoomBuilder-Bugfix

>best map editor for Quake
Trenchbroom

>>4738107
You jump/dodge off the lift as it's going up.

I'm trying Vavoom for the first time

wish me luck fellas

>>4738125
Nice aspect ratio Anon