/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[6-5] Ion Fury dev is starting a map tutorial for Mapster32. Focused on IF, but should help with other games as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1day0eLWng&feature=youtu.be

[6-1] Akeldama, 32-map megawad collaboration.
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/megawads/akeldama

[6-1] https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/114797-dbp24-spaceballs-the-sequel-the-quest-for-more-dbp-maps/
Spaceballs, the .wad

[5-31] Egypt themed map for Hexen 2
https://www.moddb.com/games/hexen-ii/addons/shifting-sands

[5-28] Eternal Slayer, a new 3rd person melee mod.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=68667

[5-28] Wrath Update 2+ Big Box
https://youtu.be/VmJc5ReteFQ

[5-28] DBP24 trailer released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4rmaWofQP4

[5-26] Pandemonia 2.0 released
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GKjW1ZGQkViW3MOBDxnyK3Sk41ynpv6S/view

[5-25] The Force Engine was updated
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/post/2133742
https://theforceengine.github.io/downloads.html

[5-24] Smooth Blood released, its like Smooth Doom but for Blood
https://www.moddb.com/mods/smoothblood

[5-23] Punishment, an episodic replacement for the first Doom
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/114613-punishment-an-episode-1-replacement-for-doom/

[5-23] Anon shares some Sandy Peterson videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwV3uwM19EY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlSb1esFt0A

[5-22] La Tailor Girl updated
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58343&start=405#p1152235

[5-22] Dark Forces DeHacker updated to v1.3
http://df-21.net/

[5-22] Realm667 repository submissions are on hiatus
https://www.realm667.com/index.php/en/home/archiv/17-site-news/2259-repository-submissions-on-hiatus

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No End in Sight is the most cancerous shit I've ever played.

>>6495771
ok

What are the best ports of Doom and Quake for the Vita?

>>6495760
>GOG: gives away games for free
>they've all already been in your library for a decade

Who is Espi and why is he so highly regarded

>>6495771

Did you get banned from doomworld

>>6495896
Hes a big guy

>>6495896
Made cool maps, then died.

>>6495771
>switchlet

Is there a way to get SS2 control scheme in SS1

DOOM AND GLOOM

>>6495961
You mean wasd and tab for inventory?

I think so.

>>6495896
Espi made Suspended in Dusk, a 2005 vanilla compatible minisode that has a few "how did he do that in vanilla?" details.
He also made map27 in 2008's Eternal Doom 4 demo, an unfininshed zdoom sequel to Eternal Doom.
He had his right arm amputated in 2008, and then later died of cancer in 2009

>>6495896
Made some really cool maps which also played really well, was pretty influential in his mapping, also figured out a lot of vanilla mapping tricks which still aren't obvious to a lot of people today.
If you want to see his most famed work, look up Suspended In Dusk, dirty brutalist bunkers made out of old gray concrete slabs and rusty plate metal have never been so beautiful before.

So, Doom, Heretic, Hexen, Strife, Chex and Hacx are the only commercial games released on Doom engine. Am I correct?

>>6496016
>>6496026
Sounds like it's worth checking out some of his maps, especially if he was pulling off great tricks in vanilla. Love the look of that Suspended In Dusk screen; I'm guessing he worked magic with lighting and geometry as well as textures.

I think that's something a lot of people don't grok about Doom (and even id struggled with in Doom 3) - at heart it works best when you have room to keep moving while you shoot. It isn't a corridor/cover shooter - a bit of running round corridors is OK, but the best maps (like that one) have plenty of wide open spaces to maneuver in.

That's my 2c. anyway; your mileage may vary.

Somebody's gotta do a Helltaker mod, with each monster being a helltaker-style girl.
Kinda like Stylish Hell, but with much higher res sprites and ACTUAL style.

>>6496084
>zdrada

>>6496047
you forgot doom 2 trololo

>>6496124
And Final Doom and Ultimate Doom and Deathkings of Dark Citadel.

>>6496084
I'd rather not play Doom with only one demon the entire game.

>>6496116
Pretty close, the dev is Polish and the word 'zdrada' means betrayal.

>>6496124
+ doom 64

>>6496141
doom 64 doesn't run on the doom engine it runs on some weird new 3d engine

>>6496116
The game was made by a Polyak, so he used some of the polish names for demons, and names don't translate.
Zdrada means "Treachery" in polish.
Malina means "lewd stuff" in jargon literal translation would be "raspberry", but context meraning is "perversion", since she's the Lustful Demon.

>>6496143
Isn't it still just a modified version of the Doom engine? Because Doom 64 doesn't actually support full 3d.

>>6496084
Alright, you do it.

>>6496130
They can be redesigned to look significantly different, just want them to look close to that european-comic artstyle.

>>6496149
I would.
If I could draw for shit.
My maximum is sanic-level scribbles

>>6496156
Now's a good time to work on that stuff and improve then.

>>6496143
Doom 64 is using the Doom engine, it was just upgraded for a bunch of things. Still has linedefs, sectors, and vertices, still uses BSP trees, and still has the same kind of monster behavior and all.

>>6496156
Still better than Chris-Chan...

>>6496084
>waifushit
No.

>>6496156
>>6496157
No no no, you retard, don't improve, make a mod in this style.

>>6496176
Somebody on DW already does that.

>>6496176
>don't improve

>>6496180
Did sergeiwhatever ever produced actual sprites out of those concepts? From what I understood, he was hoping for someone else to do it for him.

>>6496143

No it doesn't you fuckaloo

>>6496176
Why not both?

Scythe is pretty good

>>6496194
So I hear.

Well time to try and beat System Shock 1. Cant seem to get into it as easily as i could 2

>>6496335
SS1 is amazing for its time but jank as hell.

The dark engien and the Thief team really made SS2 the experience that it is.

Levine then proceeded to fuck everything with bioshit.

>>6496026
Suspended in Dusk is 95% gray and that's how I feel about its gameplay.

>>6496338
Yeah i can usually tolerate older games and hell even enjoy them for their quaintness but SS1 is a little over what i can handle. But the enhanced edition stuff helps. Wish someone made SS1 in the dark engine honestly

>>6496346
There are far worse. SS is still playable. But dont beat yourself over it.
We know how it would have looked kinda in the dark engine by the ending parts of SS2.

SS1 is impressive but is right on the cusp of what I consider the turning tide that started with doom.

Which is funny because I come to these threads for anything but doom, from build games to other stuff mostly mods.

>>6496335
I prefer Marathon Infinity

>>6496084
I'm sorry, anon. That'll take over a month, longer than this flavor has left.

https://twitter.com/doomwiki/status/1268758645577310208
make sure to save and back up anything doom in the internet archive and wayback machine

>>6496351
I suppose i see a similarity lol

Should I do UV or HMP?

>>6496378
UV-Fast.

>>6495760
HEY GUISE, WHATS THE NEW HOT MOD OF THE WEEK THAT EVERYONE SHOULD PLAY?

>>6496378
UV

>>6496378
UV. Disregard local retard who keeps shilling "HMP at first playthrough" to everyone.

>>6496383
Iunno, Treasure Tech?

>>6496383
ComplexDoom4.03_BrutalFix.pk7

How would I go about learning how to make custom Doom content when I have no programming or Build Engine experience?

>>6496398
Why do you need Build Engine experience for Doom?

>>6496406
Well I don't know much about stuff like that so I just figured Build Engine was for general 2.5D rather than specific games like Duke Nukem or something.

>>6496398
You don't need any knowledge to start mapping, just get a grip on how to use the editor and know how to make good gameplay. You could try making gameplay mods with Decorate since it's really easy to use and doesn't require any programming knowledge either, and it would serve as somewhat of an introduction into the basics of programming I guess.

What's the difference between GZDoom and LZDoom?

>>6496410
Okay. I figured it would take some kind of past programming knowledge or something of the sort.
I guess I should have tried to actually do it first before asking. Thanks

>>6496414
LZDoom is maintained by another guy. Uses old OpenGL renderer that performs much better on some hardware.
Features that absolutely require OpenGL 3/4 are either adapted/rewritten/scaled down or thrown away. Usually this has no effect on mods aside from maybe some visual effects not working/glitching.

>>6496414

LZDoom isn't a complete clusterfuck

does he browse /doom/?

This post is dedicated to Lucy, the best and beefiest of the classic id girls.

>>6496429

what the fuck is wrong with her calves

>>6496408
how tf someone gets to such a conclusion

>>6495771
>ended

>>6496434
big boots

>>6496423
Wait, does it fully supports ZScript and its bells and whistles?

>>6496425
Nah, he got banned a year ago for off-topic posting.

>>6496453
Yes, it supports everything that is not OpenGL related. That's its goal.

>>6496425
Nmaybe

>>6496453
Yes but it may lag behind a month or two, so its not "The Latest Version"™, and "Working Of Mod On This Version Is Not Guaranteed By Mod Developer"©

>>6496354
>puts "disinformation" markers on archived pages they dont like
Yeah no

>>>/x/

>>6496434
They're made for true patricians like R. Crumb

>>6496490
More of Namio Harukawa kinda guy myself

>>6496490
I identify with this image more than I care to admit.

>>6496378
HMP is the Normal setting, UV is the Hard setting. Nowadays everyone considers WADs like Doom or Doom2 to be easy, so to not die of boredom they play it on UV. This led to an unfortunate trend in the PWAD community to make maps with Hard difficulty only in mind, considering it to be the norm. However, this trend started to be bucked in later years, specially in the realm of hard WADs like those Ribbiks makes.

So in the end to answer your question - if you're playing Doom/Doom2 now, even for the first time? UV, unless you've never played videogames, I guess. Plutonia? HMP if you're not too confident, UV if you're ready for a challenge. PWADs? Check the TXT file to see if they implemented difficulties. If they didn't, do UV. If they did, then use your own judgement to gauge the WAD's difficulty versus your own skill/tolerance. If you find yourself loading saves a lot during levels that aren't too long, that might be a sign you should lower the difficulty instead of trying to brute force your way with savestates. But hey, you play how you want.

>>6496429
Based beyond belief.

>>6496369
I see both as sci fi shooters that emphasize exploration over series of rooms designed for specific encounters with level design not possible in Doom. And while SS1 has better sound design than Marathon, I think Marathon's level design and verticality is considerably more impressive than SS1's grid corridors along with a better story and more variety as far as enemy matchups go with you sometimes fighting with pfhor, against pfhor, against humans, with specifically hunters, etc. Neither are particularly Doom-like but I think Marathon sets itself apart further.

I beat quake 1 plus Arcane Dimensions and I wanna play quake 2 now, what sourecport do I use?

>>6496521
>20-year-later fanart looks worse than the original model
fucker forgot the cellulite

>>6496525
Yeah, faggot doesnt appreciate true thicc.

>>6496526
>you will never live in the timeline where the fanservice-loving drunk russies who modeled QC's characters were able to take a crack at Lucy

>>6496524
Yamagi Quake 2 for singleplayer, Q2PRO for multiplayer.

>>6496490
Why do most women in western comics porn or not, have face of a cheap hooker.

>>6496537
Thanks ill try yamagi since Im assuming quake 2 mp is dead, im using the steam version so will I need to do anything to put the music back in?

>>6496551
Quake 2's multiplayer is fun as fuck if you can find people to play with, it's a lot like Quake 3, arguably better, depending on who you ask.

For the Steam version and music, maybe.

>>6496551
Q2 MP is more alive than either QW or Q3A (not counting live). I'd recommend checking out just for the mods like Action Quake 2 and Gloom with a buddy to see where Counter Strike, The Specialists, and Natural Selection came from. I don't know if the Steam version comes with the soundtrack but if not, you can just download it.

>>6496551
>filename
god i wish

>>6496590
Same.

>>6495761

Useful Wolf3D FAQ created

https://faq.wolf3d.net/

>>6496595
Were the 90's more body-positive than any modern controversy-spewer ever realizes?

>>6496601
Yes.

>>6496595
>Mortal, it has 4 moons since the First Dawn of Nyeltohep. It is time for your Frag Flattening.
>Yes, dear.

>>6496604
To be fair, QC Sorlag isn't what Q3A Sorlag looked like at all. are you the one who made the /trash/ request

>>6496596
what mod is that in your pic?

>>6496601
I think back then we were actually a lot more tolerant - we didn't need "trigger warnings" before we read Shakespeare in school, for instance. No social media addiction, no getting shamed when someone leaked your sexts to all your friends...

Anyway. Haven't played Q3A but liking the fan art. And you know, for the token "big bruiser" chick-with-a-shotty, and given the general look of the other ladies, Lucy ain't all that bad. Certainly looks like she could headshot your ass and dance the fandango on the gibs...

Yeah, I know - "fap before posting"...

>>6496609
If you mean >>30666319 then yes.

>>6496601
Fat female characters were created as a joke or because creator had fetish for them, not to normalize eating disorders.

>>6496616
Photoshop

>>6496619
Hah, knew it. Doubt anyone will fill it but fingers crossed, yeah?

>>6496617
All the Q3 ladies are easy on the eyes, even a blubbery grease-pit like Lucy. It helps they're all portrayed as equally capable in a fight (other than the game-enforced tiers) whether they've got more wetware than a Shadowrun campaign like Slash, or nothing more than a lightning gun and a mean attitude like Hunter.

>>6496638
damn...

>>6496643
those alien bastards are gonna pay for shooping up my ride

>Who wants cum?
>Come get chum!

>>6496617
Fat girls don't dance, silly.
>"Stink! I can't move in these heels."
>"Oh, this girdle is killing me ... literally."
>"I should be floating. Must be the boots."
>"Well at least you lasted long enough to make me sweat, [enemy]."

>>6496601
Even though the art style of QC is the only thing I can really compliment it on, just looking at art and fanart of Q3A reminds me of what could’ve been.

>>6495760
What does Doomguy think of the fact that the nuDoom universe has video games that are an exact retelling of his adventures?

Is Decino /our guy/? He knows about Wojak.

>>6496698
NuDoom is not canon, also it is not retro and I reported your post.

>>6496698
he thinks “wow, these idiots really wanted to show everyone how oldschool and not shit this reboot is”

>>6496691
I'll never forgive them for getting rid of Slash's grody cybernetics, no matter how cute she is regardless and how fun sliding around at Mach 2 is. Would swap out Nyx for Lucy or Hunter in an instant. At least the classic weapon models are all neat as heck.

>>6496702
Wojak has plagued the greater web for a few years now, and has haunted 4chan and other image boards themselves for at least a decade, if not longer.
I laughed when I saw that thumbnail this morning.

>>6496698
Tehy thought:
"Do you remember easter eggs, fellow kids? Aren't we cool, eh? EH?"

>>6496706
New Slash is a cutie, even if her voice can get grating and punk chicks are mentally fucked IRL, but I would’ve preferred they stuck with updating the older designs. Anarki got completely ruined.
And yeah, Nyx is a boring ””alien,”” they should’ve stuck with the Heavy Metal pornstar.

But this is neither here nor there, since the game will probably shut down within the year, and Quake as a series will continue to languish.

>>6496716
I wouldn’t call it an easter egg if they consistently shove it in your face

>>6496523
Agreed. Also it helps that marathon infinitys levels flow a little better. Also the combat feels better in infinity.

>>6496719
I had the opposite thing happen, her voice was grating at first but I started liking it the more I played and the more of her maniacal laughter I listened to after killing sprees. She's mentally fucked but at least according to her lore it's from having an Old One prodding at her brain, not just being a bad person from the get-go. SHE CAN BE SAVED. SHE IS GOODNESS. SHE IS HOLY. RANGER CAN DO IT.
Nyx is a walking sex doll and that's great and all but I also would've preferred Mynx, no matter how nice Nyx's lips and pits and butt are. Especially lips. Ha ha.

>But this is neither here nor there, since the game will probably shut down within the year, and Quake as a series will continue to languish.
That's the unfortunate truth, yeah. I doubt it'll be forgotten entirely by the players- given Q1 through Q3 are still receiving occasional fanart to this day, not even by people actively in the remaining communities but just people going 'hey I drew this character from a game I spent my youth playing'- but definitely forgotten by id other than salvaging parts to stick in Doom.

Coomers leave

>>6496741
>caleb in a business suit
>after defeating the cabal, rescuing ophelia and getting married, he soon got a dead end job in an office and eventually went mad after not doing his rootin' tootin' gun shootin' for 15 years once he wiped the cabal off the face of the universe

Hellground is fucking neat.

What are other WADs with similar castle / gothic / gloomy themes?

>>6496741
>caleb in a business suit
>after defeating the cabal, rescuing ophelia and getting married, he soon got a dead end job in an office and eventually went mad after not doing his rootin' tootin' gun shootin' for 15 years once he wiped the cabal off the face of the universe
>so basically The Office but with guns

>>6496702
wojak has been a facebook tier meme for 6 years now

>>6496741
Man that movie was a masterpiece, in many ways accidental. But its funny whenever I think of cyberpunk stuff outside of novels comics\manga and anime, my mind does not immediately go to blade runner, it goes to robocop.

The doom mod is great. Wish there was a more modern one.

>>6496741
Someone post the story about Paul Steed's office walls being completely covered in porn. Cooming and Quake is a time honored tradition.

>>6496741
Coomer Pride World Wide

>>6496769
>But its funny whenever I think of cyberpunk stuff outside of novels comics\manga and anime, my mind does not immediately go to blade runner, it goes to robocop.
Same, but also the Shadowrun SNES game.

>>6496702
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-know-that-feel-bro

>Added 9 YEARS ago

Not gonna lie, rushing cyborgs and cutting them down with a Laser Rapier like a god damn Cyber Shinobi in SS1 is pretty dope. Shame they destroyed it in SS2

>>6496771
Quake and Quake 2/3/so forth are completely separate entities. Original Quake had none of this gross bullshit.

>>6496741
I don't coom since at least last weekend

>>6496781
Thats why I said aside other media which did cyberpunk justice.
Blade Runner was nice visually and had a cool ending. Thanks Hauer.


But Robocop has all the themes. Its violent, its funny, mad corporations, crime, degeneracy, what means to be human, robojesus allegories. Its great.

>>6496796
Still liked the laser rapier in SS2, with the cyber thingy that made you ahve all the moveset from Garret it did some mean damage.

>>6496771
>In 2000 after being fired from id Software he went to work for Wild Tangent making several dancing girl visualizers for Winamp and a third-person shooter called Betty Bad (an homage to Steed's favorite arcade game, Tempest).

>Steed gained press and controversy with the release of a "Crackwhore" female model for Quake II in response to a skin (character texture) contest for the first Quake sponsored by a group of female gamers who called themselves the "Crackwhore Clan". The Crackwhore model was released after Quake II was released as a downloadable character as an homage to that same female gamer clan. While Quake II included a female character as an option when playing, both the phraseology and approach to the Crackwhore model received some amount of criticism despite the 'Crackwhore Clan' having been created and organized by and composed solely of female gamers - not Paul Steed.

>He initiated and sponsored several modeling contests such as the Bad Girl and Cute Doll contests by which he challenged any and all other modelers to compete against him for sponsored prizes

>"The guy loved his naked women, though. One time he ran a contest where everyone was going to build hot female character models, and the winner would get their submission rigged and put into Quake 3 as a custom model (which was very new at the time). The result was essentially a pornography competition, with some models even having incredibly detailed and animating genitalia. The competition was scrapped because they couldn't find a way to judge the models without them fall into the public's hands and possibly ripped. I think it was for the best, as it was sort of a shameful competition anyway."

His cause of death is apparently unknown, but I think I know what it was: His love of the female form.
He also got made fun of by SA goons for modelling big breasts, which, judging from modern perspectives, is a positive.

>>6496836
Fuck I want those Q3 models. Shameful my ass.

>>6496836
goons were and still are massive faggots

>>6496805
>Q1poster
>insists on segregation (of games)
>calls the female form 'gross bullshit'
We have Lovecraft himself posting here.

>>6496836
I hope he's surrounded by all the gun-toting dominatrix titties and asses he could want, wherever his immortal soul is now.

>>6496836
>Steed: modeled big breasts, made a career modeling big breasts, released several books on modeling (and modeling big breasts), claim to fame is faptastic Quake models and Wing Commander art as well as controversy over fighting and drinking
>goons: paid to post on an internet message board, live in fear of their overzealous and money-biased moderation staff, claim to fame is creating the dumpster fire known as 4chan

>>6496836
This is the struggle that us tit guys must deal with every day.

Still running the Purgatori player model as my go to in Quake II. Dunno what Tom Colby is up to now but I hope he's doing good.

>>6496842
That's pretty based in my book.

>>6496856
We're all gonna make it, bro.

>>6496847
>>6496854
He was an incredibly influential early 3D games modeler. He wrote multiple books on the subject and inspired dozens of people. He's probably one of the major factors as to how Polycount got as big as it did.
I also really like his art. Quake 3's techno-flesh aesthetic is rad, and Daikatana at least looks good because of him.

It's funny, all of this just because he loved boob.

>>6496836
Ah it's THAT guy. Shame he died early. I have some of his books on modeling on 3D MAX.

>>6496875
One of them

>>6496883
Nice.

I have a thing for low to mid poly sexy girls. I blame sin.

>>6496871
Steed isn't credited at all for Daikanata and so far as I know he never worked at Ion Storm. You might be thinking of Kenneth Scott, one of the other id artists who did a bunch of the Q3A skins (including skins for the polygon models made by Steed) and whose texturing has a really distinct grungy techno-organic style that features extremely heavily throughout Daikatana starting at the menu screen and HUD.

>>6496871
So who whacked him? Some jealous husband?

>>6496871
>Quake 3's techno-flesh aesthetic is rad, and Daikatana at least looks good because of him.
weren't both of those Kenneth Scott's thing?

>>6496890
Scott was another guy who made a name for himself texturing and modeling as far back as the Q1/Q2 days in the community, under the handle Protofiend. Even on those earlier models and even lower res textures, you can see the groundwork of his contrast-heavy, grunge-laden style. No surprise he was hired on by id for Q3A and worked with them as recently as Doom '16, although his social media presence seems to be largely politics-based now unfortunately.

>>6496890
Ah right, Kenneth Scott. His texture work stands out to me. Something about how he shades/lights stuff is distinct, specifically on any metal bits.
I know him, Adrian and Kevin worked on the game. Is there anywhere that goes more indepth on who did what?

Also, loonygames has a few interviews with Steed along with Romero. Here's one: http://www.loonygames.com/content/1.5/feat/

>>6496898
Yeah, I got my artists confused. Say what you want about Doom 3, a few of the demon designs were rightly nasty.

>>6496890
Oh, and there's Lucy's texture second row from the top far right. So if you really adore how detailed the cellulite is depicted on those giant, head-crushing thighs because I sure do or just how the light falls off into the canyon of Hunter's cleavage, Scott's the one to thank. Regardless of how he may feel about 'oversexualization of females' nowadays.

>>6496895
We'll never know. It might be rude to say so but it's probably a good thing he passed before the current era of gaming really took swing, or there'd have been even more news articles with "PERVERTED GAME ARTIST (FAMOUS FOR SEXIST QUAKE 2 MODEL) DIES UNDER MYSTERIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES" with total shitshow comment sections.

>>6496919
>Is there anywhere that goes more indepth on who did what?
I'm not sure, but I've never really looked into it. I know for Q3A work was pretty evenly split with playermodels primarily being the work of Steed on modeling and Scott on texturing, with A. Carmack and similarly renowned id artist Kevin Cloud on level texturing, UI, etc. (source: https://www.bluesnews.com/screenshots/q3a/apr26/q3ashots.shtml - dig the Slash reference turn-around!).

>>6496935
>current era of gaming


Current era is irrelevant, the things that matter are already puddles starting to become weaves on the internet. A guy like him if smart could thrive.

>>6496823
I think Robocop is a far better movie than Bladerunner in basically every way.

>>6496836
I take back all the things I've said about Paul Steed, he honestly sounds like a fun guy.

>>6496935
Looking at articles and especially comments from fans, seems like a lot people loved him just for how he taught his thing in a clear way.

>>6496946
Oh your are not wrong hence why I said it. You know people will splurge over blade runner, but when I see somebody mention robocop in a cyberpunk discussion I know that person has the heart in the right place.

>>6496946
I dunno about fun, but it seems like the others at id respected him if nothing else. Hell, apparently he did work- or was going to- for McGee's first Alice game after both of them left id if this old article (https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/article_28360)) is any indication; that said, his name doesn't appear in Alice's credits at all, interestingly.
>Right now Paul is contracting, with another ex-id person, American McGee, on the warped third person shooter Alice, a title that has been turning heads for a few months now. Post Alice, Paul makes no secret that he plans to form his own games company, "Alice is my main focus because I'm very impressed with where American and Rogue have gone with it, but there are other things as well".
Digging into this sort of thing takes an annoying number of Google searches because all of it is such ancient history by now so you have to rely on mirrors of mirrors of mirrors.

>>6496914
>his social media presence seems to be largely politics-based

Really unfortunate. Everything goes to shit...

>>6496946
Hard to compare

>>6496914
He was Protofiend? That makes a lot of sense. I have a bunch of Q2 skins, and anything with a Protofiend signature is usually the best in the folder.

>>6496960
>Digging into this sort of thing takes an annoying number of Google searches because all of it is such ancient history by now so you have to rely on mirrors of mirrors of mirrors.
it's a shame having to look around archive.org for dead links on this stuff

>>6496919
That must be the interview that Rocket Jump quoted.
>Paul Steed seemed to welcome conflict over id's schedule, or any other topic. After Quake 2's release, he created a skimpy female skin—or character—for the game dubbed "Crackwhore" in response to a contest put on by the Crackwhore Clan, a group of female Quake players. When gaming press outlets caught wind of the model, some accused Steed of sexism. Crackwhore may be a clan of female gamers, but the model had been created by a man, which made it sexist.

>"I like voluptuous women, and I think guys (and some women) like and appreciate the 'cheesecake' aspect of it. It was just for fun," Steed said in an interview with gaming blog loonygames. "It irks me how people responded to it as far as the sexist and misongynistic [sic] overtones were attached. I'm not a sexist and I'm not a misogynist. Funny thing about it is that more guys than women really voiced their offense to me. How can you be offended by it? It's just a computer image. There's nothing lewd about it. Well...borderline lewd, but nothing pornographic unless you slap some naked skin on it."

>When the interviewer pointed out that the Crackwhore character collapsed and wiggled her butt in the air after dying, Steed shrugged off the insinuation. "Well yeah, that was intentional," he said in the interview. "She was 'in character'. I'll make the 'wholsome [sic] girl' model next month and make her fit somehow in a world of death and gibs."

Is there anyway to "train" for Plutonia? Never played it but from footage and word of mouth it seems fucking ball busting and I want to be as prepped as possible. So far I've beaten
>Ultimate Doom (did it once on HMP, then did it again pistol-start on UV)
>Doom 2 (only did it on HMP because i genuinely just didn't enjoy the middle third enough for it to be worth doing again)
>some of the master levels (can't remember many, some were fun but some were stupidly cryptic like that fucking staircase on the wall that's so tiny you literally cannot see unless you know to look for it)
That's about it, I've considered doing Sigil but I don't know if it's good. Same with "The way ID did it", I've heard about it but don't really know what it is aside from a supposed upgrade on Doom 2.

Also, how's that Freedoom alternative that Doomworld screamed about coming along?

>>6496979
Forgot to ask because its 1am and I'm mentally deficient, but how is TNT? I've heard some claim its amazing and some claim its the most boring piece of Doom content ever.

American McGee was no stranger to Tim Willits' alleged behavior. One morning a year or so earlier, McGee had stepped into the Town East Tower's elevator. Willits entered with him. Before long, Willits turned to him, grinning.

"He turns to me and he goes, 'Hey, did you ever have butt sex with your ex-girlfriend?' We all knew each other; he knew my ex-girlfriend," McGee recalled. "I remember saying something like, 'Tim, fuck off,' or 'I don't know what you're talking about.' And he looks at me and he goes, 'Well, I had it last night, and it was great.' And that was it, and he walked away."

>>6496991
Tim is a chad?

https://youtu.be/hAY1MXcpTTw

>>6496991
he sounds crazy

>>6496971
oh wait, I got my P names mixed up, I was thinking of Partycrasher
I did find that skin of his though, converted from .pcx, happens to be the one you posted

somewhat on topic of dev credits, I've only recently learned that Levelord worked on the first Q1 expansion (Scourge of Armagon). does anyone know if there's a list of individual per-map credits? I can't even find the manual online anywhere

>>6496914
>although his social media presence seems to be largely politics-based now
This happened to John Mueller, who also happened to make art for Quake III. He made that Visor picture that was used in the game’s manual, and was later turned into a cosmetic in Champions. He also made all that other art for Quake Live.
A year or two ago, I tracked down his Twitter to see what he was up to, and he had a Kickstarter for a comic, and he was tweeting and sharing a bunch of people being pissy at Trump. I think he was trying to tie in his comic’s plot about oppression with whatever Mr. President was doing at the time.

Playthrough video of map24 of 20p minutes of /vr/ is up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghY8QbRBkdg

>>6497030
What a shame, I adore Mueller's art. Even if the QL trading card needlessly censored Hunter.

>>6497030
>>6497034
I just looked at his twitter and its barely got anything political on it. Not sure what anons crying about.

>>6497030
Separate the art from the artist - for the sake of your own mental health.

>>6497034
>even if they needlessly censored Hunter
along with removing as many religious references and bits of gore as they could to make the T rating

That summer heat is starting to pick up! Do your best to stay cool everyone.

>>6496914
>worked with them as recently as Doom '16
whut I never heard about that
the closest connection I can think of is that Certain Affinity did the multiplayer for the Halo titles he worked on as well as 2016

>>6496378
ITYTD

>>6497042
Yeah, I'm not sure what was up with that. I guess I can accept replacing pentagrams with red circles if it's really necessary, but QL started as a browser game; what's the point of an ESRB rating for a free game in the first place? Covering up glorious bronze Amazon abs is irredeemable in any circumstances.

>>6497048
It's hard to stay cool when the conversation topic is so hot.

>>6497052
You're probably right, I was relaying what I glanced at on Google but it might've been wrong.

Is Ghouls Forest a good WAD or is it just cheap jumpscares?

What exactly was the point of the community chest projects? What did they do that other community megawads didn't?

>>6497071
I don't really remember having a great time with it but if you dig the hunter and hunted concept / survival thing then it's a matter of if you can tolerate the nasty jumpscares.

>>6496998
Its like I'm really reconfiguring another source port!

The 3do ost for doom kicks ass https://youtu.be/m35pIk5wfNk..

>>6497030
What a stupid era this is.

>>6497039
I always do, but it's just kind of, well, sad, to see people get completely absorbed into this shit, especially when their art moves onto being all about this. This would be an example where the art becomes inseparable from the artist (at least their current art), though of course that doesn't invalidate their old art or anything.

>>6497103
It's called the 3do cus when a gamer back then heard about 3d graphics they'd get confused, but then impressed upon learning what it looks like and say "3D? oooOOOOOoooohh!"

>>6497114
TAKE YOUR DAMN CLOTHES OFF

>>6497114
It’s called the 3do cus when a gamer back then heard about 3d graphics they’d get confused, but then horrified upon learning what they spent $700 on and say “3D? oooooOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!”

I really hate when people put difficulty or lack thereof as a complaint in /idgames wad reviews as if each and every wad is supposed to be tailored to their own personal ideal difficulty just for them.

>>6495760
What mod is in that webm?

>>6497142
Project brutality

>>6497142
Gentle Doom

>>6496984
TNT gets worse as it goes on and the music can be somewhat annoying. However its still worth trying

>>6496991
Tim what the hell man

>>6496979
Plutonia's difficulty is kind of exaggerated. Is it harder than Doom 2? Yes. Is it just unreasonably hard for the average Doom player to beat? No.

You have several options to pace yourself. You can do a continuous playthrough. You can allow yourself saves. You can lower the difficulty to HMP. Just play it, it's not a WAD you have to "train" for. Just play it. If you're feeling like you're having an easy time, then adjust the challenge. Maybe do it saveless. Maybe do it pistol starting. You decide.

As for TNT, I recently played it for the first time and while I enjoyed some of the early and middle maps (Human BBQ and Wormhole coming to mind, specifically), the latter half of the WAD is complete garbage. MAP20 of TNT is perhaps the worst map I have ever had the misfortune of playing.

>>6497208
>>6496979
Oh and sidenote: this is one of the worst textures I have ever seen in a WAD and it's from TNT. Used in MAP20.

Those green bits you see in the fence? They're not leaves. It's not a vine on the fence. It's supposed to be all metal. Speculation is that they are just pixels they forgot to make transparent when importing the fucking thing.

>>6497208
Speaking of - Civvie making his video about Plutonia playing continuous and saving basically every room in UV was kinda weird. Why not, you know, just play it in HMP like he did with Sigil? Sigil is easier than Plutonia, but he didn't consider doing Plutonia on HMP for some reason.

>>6496343
IMO, gameplay picks up in MAP03. M1 and 2 are really easy, even taking into account the surprise Arch-vile in M1.

>>6497219
I always disliked that. It looks like damn Christmas lights. What a weird texture and way to use it.

>>6496979

git gud

>>6497219
I'm honestly kinda impressed that TNT had a lot of really amateurish textures, despite being officialised. Memento Mori, which was made around the same time, had much better textures that still hold up.

Playing NRFL, how and why the fuck is it so much better than doom 2?

Also I'm on a classic doom marathon, and i've beat ultimate doom, sigil, doom 2 and now i'm playing nrfl, i'm torn if i should continue to plutonia and tnt or if i should just skip to doom 64, what do you anons reccomend?

>>6497262
At least do Plutonia. Some people find TNT boring but I'd still give it a shot.

Do you anons use auto aim or free mouselook?

>>6497262
>Playing NRFL, how and why the fuck is it so much better than doom 2?
NRFTL was made in 2009/2010, and it REALLY shows.

>>6497282
I play using autoaim with mouse turning.

>>6496490

>>6497282
If I'm playing vanilla, auto-aim obviously.

>>6497282
Auto-aim. Vertical mouselook for fighting is weird. I like that GLBoom lets you do vertical mouselook but not allowing vertical aim by default, so you can gawk around the sights but still keep the gameplay intact

>>6497208
From what I've noticed, a lot of people who consider Plutonia bullshit and unfair, tend to suck at dealing with most of Doom 2's monsters in general, especially when used liberally. I kinda blame this on Doom 2 itself for barely utilising the new monsters outside of a few levels, with those few levels still feeling like they're pulling their punches.

>>6497262
Play Plutonia and TNT, although you won't miss much good if you skip most of TNT. Doom 64 is hit and miss, you might get pushed off because of all the switch-hunting and linear gameplay.

>>6496429
>>6496521
Crash is still better, no competition

>>6497523
Crash is nothing.

>>6496525
>>6496536
you guys disgust me

Is doing a shotgun start Quake playthrough with 100% kills on Nightmare feasible? I mean, are the maps balanced to give you the ammo and weapons to be able to get all kills when shotgun starting, or should I just play it continuously?

Just played Doom 1 E2 and E3 for the first time. Overall they were pretty good, I think even as good as E1. Highlights:

E2M2 for the cool looks and box maze
E2M4 for kicking my ass
E2M6 for showcasing how good Doom's lighting is by making me scream out loud when a Baron popped out of the shadows
E2M9 for showing me how fun it can be to dodge projectiles while demons kill each other
E3M4 don't remember why I liked this one, I made this list a few days ago
E3M6 might be my favorite map in the whole game, I felt like I was going insane as Cacodemons showed up seemingly out of thin air in a map so big and open I had no idea where I was.

Only played shareware about fifteen years ago, man this game is good. The movement and weapons are so satisfying, the enemies are fun to fight, great game.

>>6497547
Don't be a pussy anon, just do it
How do you think they tested the levels, they warped to them. So of course they're beatable from shotgun-starts.

>>6497547
never tried it, so I can't answer definitively. the maps weren't designed for shotgun starts (and several have warnings about leaving the level before picking up a weapon), but I can't think of anything that would make it impossible.
well, there's the fish bug that makes 100% kills always impossible, but I'm assuming we aren't talking technicalities.

>>6497591
And so I did, feels like they're less generous with giving you weapons again than in Doom, but I'm in the middle of episode 1 and didn't have much trouble with ammo so far.

>>6495760
Is it just me or is the new Doomer Board Projects thing (the Spaceballs one) kinda bad? I got bored extremely quickly. Having joe-ilya's repurposed Hangar as the first map didn't help things.

>>6497608
>joe-ilya
Literally why would anyone let him work on any project? He's a horrible level designer.

How are self-referencing sectors supposed to work? I look at sector lump in slade and it doesn't list any coordinates to sectors, sectors seem to be defined by linedefs, but if I change linedefs to never mention the sector, how do they exist?

>>6497547
IIRC, Sandy Petersen's E4 levels were designed with continuous in mind.

>>6497615
Eh, He's a lot better nowadays than he was 5-6 years ago. Still not an amazing mapper by any means, though.

>>6497145
is there a mod to see just the legs?

>Decided to play Quake again
>Download quakespasm
>Can run sideways but not forwards and backwards
Explain that eggheads.

>>6497657
Correct, Sandy's levels are set up in a specific order and some of the more powerful guns only appear two or three times in the whole episode, and health/armor are noticeably more scarce than the other episodes.

>>6497541
Don't hate, yo.

Im playing doom on android with Open Touch and chocolate doom, the music doesn't work, i downloaded doom's ost but, where do i put the music files?

>>6497794
Change the 'always run behavior' option in settings from vanilla to QD and make sure Always Run is on.

>>6497808
Is this done from inside the game?

>>6497816
Yes. That's why I said settings and not the config file. It would have taken you five seconds to check instead of 20 solving captchas to post that question.

>>6496823
>Blade Runner was nice visually and had a cool ending. Thanks Hauer.
I've been getting back into cyberpunk recently - reading some of the early non-Gibson novels. It's a much more interesting, rich and diverse genre than I thought (or than Mike Pondsmith & co showed me). Blade Runner is still my favourite cyberpunk movie, but Robocop... yeah, it's got a lot more going for it and it's actually fun. Although it's taken me 30 years to realise that it's really quite satirical, but played straight.

Anyway, tangents aside... (and it's hard keeping up to date on this thread when so many folks post while I'm asleep!)

>Paul Steed posts
>modelling & texturing
Okay, wow. Interesting, stuff I didn't know. Seeing those character texture maps was cool - I've played around a bit with CGI in the past but never seen them like that before. I'm assuming that's so they "wrap" on the models and the number of files is kept low?

>>6497034
>pic
Wow, that's nice. Might have to use that as wallpaper!

And back up the thread...

>>6496537
>Yamagi Quake 2 for singleplayer, Q2PRO for multiplayer.
Added to my List of Interesting Stuff. I didn't kmow people were still doing Quake 2 MP.

>>6496557
>Q2 MP is more alive than either QW or Q3A
I wish I'd played Q3A back in the day as it looks pretty good. Guessing that it's a niche within a niche these days.

But it seems that out of the whole id stable, Quake and Doom get the most love. This thread has a lot of love for their sequels (ish... id Tech 4 doesn't seem to be so well loved, despite the demon designs in Doom 3) and the rest of the genre, even the obscure stuff. But a bit of searching for Quake 2 mods turns up a lot less than for Quake mods.

>>6497827
>I'm assuming that's so they "wrap" on the models and the number of files is kept low?
yes, though you could have many smaller textures broken up into separate files

>But a bit of searching for Quake 2 mods turns up a lot less than for Quake mods.
Q2 as that guy said, has a stronger multiplayer scene than singleplayer, so there's less mods for it overall, but the MP mods that are out there are pretty good, even if there's no one for you to play them with

>>6497846
Aye, I was searching mostly for singleplayer to begin with. Partly because I had no idea there even was still a multiplayer scene for any of these games, partly because I pretty much suck at retro FPS - what skills I ever had are rusty af.

I get the impression that I probably didn't finish my thought when writing that post. But eh, Saturday, more coffee. I gather from YouTube etc that Q2 is not as fondly thought of in general, though, but I actually like the Strogg aesthetic. Kind of like brutal Borg...

But this is why I love these threads. I learn stuff from you guys, my fellow enthusiasts (many of whom played this stuff when it was new). And I'm building a list of "must check this out" and working my way through, rather than just filling my boots on day 1 and burning out by day 3 and thinking "why did I download all this crap?"

I'm not going to think too hard about unwrapped textures. I'm guessing it's a very technical, very difficult thing to do.

>>6497887
You should play Q3 and tell us who your id waifu is, old man.

>>6497887
>Partly because I had no idea there even was still a multiplayer scene for any of these games,
they're not the biggest, but each Quake has a dedicated playerbase

>I gather from YouTube etc that Q2 is not as fondly thought of in general
It has its issues, and people don't like the setting shift

>And I'm building a list of "must check this out" and working my way through, rather than just filling my boots on day 1 and burning out by day 3
that's a good idea, I have 50-100 gigs worth of this stuff that I'm probably never going to get around to

>I'm not going to think too hard about unwrapped textures. I'm guessing it's a very technical, very difficult thing to do.
I hardly understand myself

>>6497208
>MAP20 of TNT is perhaps the worst map I have ever had the misfortune of playing.
Then you haven't played a lot of .wads

>>6497219
They left that in the Playstation version too.

>>6497923
>Then you haven't played a lot of .wads
He probably hasn't even finished TNT. MAP20 was the least terrible map Drake O'Brien contributed to the project.

>>6497282
Auto-aim with mouseturning for vanilla, freelook with no auto-aim for anything else.

>>6496713
Unoriginal doesn’t equal unfunny. Sometimes.

>innocent aliens
YEAH NUKEM

>>6498005
wojak has never been funny, and in most cases used by by retards who can't construct an actual argument

>>6497794
Check your options?

Can a Bloodfag direct me where to go? I'm quite stumped. I've played through episode 1 before, and I don't remember how these bars open. E1M5

>>6498062
you need to find a switch

>>6498071
But where? I've been up and down this fucking castle.

>>6498023
>>>>>>innocent

>>6498076

The one that opens the bars dumbass

i haven't actually played blood

>>6498023
delet this

which demon has the biggest poops?

>>6498168
AAAAAAAA SOMEBODY HELP>>6498062

>>6498180
Cyberdemon

>>6498184
Watch a video of someone playing through the level on youtube. You can very easily pinpoint to the minute where you need to go and what to do if you get stuck on an older fps level

How was it received at the time ? The levels are a slog most of the time, and it relies too much on ambushes and gimmicks to be as enjoyable as the first.

>>6497827
For sure its an interesting genre of sci fi, to the point that it has evolve to post cyberpunk which doubles down on the orwellian aspects.

Interesting it took you so long even as a kid I could figure out the satirical aspects even if I could not explain them.

Alongside the deeper more subtle aspects like robocop being murphy but at the same time he was not. It was just murphy soul, the only thing that cant be sold and corrupted not matter how much they tried.

When growing up hearing again Weller say " I can feel them ( his family) but I cant remember them". Gave me chills.

>>6497576
Really cool to hear someone's first impressions of (the majority of) Doom, glad you liked it. E2M6 is probably my favorite map. Everyone appreciates the fast-paced action aspects of Doom, but E2M6 is great at showing how tense and almost genuinely scary the game can be as well.

Where can I find useful texture packs for mapping besides realm667

>>6498192
Well. I remember as a kid loving the first few levels and using the super shotgun them forgetting the game. Until now.

>>6495771
I think most of those OG Doom wads are trying to recreate the classy feeling of the original episodes, particularly KDITD, but they all end up bland, generic, confusing and samey, without any kind of innovations.

>>6498192
I was a kid back then and couldn't make it far. But it was definitely received positively. I don't think public at large really thought ambushes to be a problem and if anything evolution of the fan content is towards more and more ambushes.

But what do you mean by gimmicks?

>>6497923
Okay, maybe I exaggerated. I'll amend my statement. TNT MAP20 is the worst map in the Doom IWADs.

>>6497967
Administration Center and Mount Pain were also bad, but Central Processing was a much worse offender in my book because of its nonsensical progression and how it loves to waste the players' time.

>>6495760
>screenshot saturday
screnshot saturday
>screenshot saturday
screnshot saturday
>screenshot saturday
screnshot saturday

>>6498318
>screnshot
I've failed once again...

>>6498192
There's a pretty big difference in gameplay quality between Doom 1/2 and other shooters at the time.
For many people good level design comprises about 80% of their enjoyment of a shooter.
The levels of doom were built on Carmack's principles that ensure levels to be good much more often than not, if those principles are followed. All of the user maps that are anywhere near good do folow them.

Contemporary shooters of the time were still trying to mimic much more primitive level-wise Wolfenstein 3D, and even when they tried for something more complex, the lack of understanding of those principles, lack of idea about what makes a level good, resulted in most of them being primitive, convoluted or/and terrible.

Doom 2 on the other hand was still built on those design principles and its levels even if mediocre by the standards of further years, were miles ahead of whatever competition they had, and the few Doom 1 user maps that were made since players only just starting to get the right ideas about making good levels.
Thus, it was the best thing available at the time and was praised as such.

>>6495760
I remember there being a mod where player gloves and pants (when he kicks) used the current player options from the options.
What do I neeed to do to make glove/shirt sprite to correspond to the player color?

>>6498342
>The levels of doom were built on Carmack's principles that ensure levels to be good much more often than not, if those principles are followed.
I know of Romero's principles, what are Carmack's ones?

>>6498354
yeah, mixed them up

>>6498342
>Carmack's principles
Do you mean Romero's? Because Carmack designed exactly zero levels and had very little input into any of the game design.

>>6497114
>>6497125
OOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!

>>6498318
Finished texturing a speedmap I worked on a few days ago. I'm proud I finally finished another map, but not exactly satisfied with how it turned out.

I gotta say, the super shotgun's "introduction" in MAP02 is pretty cool. All you have at that point in the game for weapons in terms of practicality (if you found it in the secret area in MAP01 that is) is the regular shotgun. You're able to blast your way through a decent amount of demons for the latter half of MAP01 and some of the beginning of MAP02, but when you get to the room the SSG is in, regardless if you have ammo for the rocket launcher (which you only have 2 of anyway), you still have to deal with a fairly big group of hitscan zombies both regular and shotgunners. If you have the shotgun then you just clear them out one by one, all the while you can't help but feel like the process could be a little faster, maybe with something that could kill entire groups of demons in one fell swoop. Something.......Super

>>6498318
Making secret level for Modest Mapping Challenge 2. Watch me being pathetically filtered by myself.

>>6498369
Then at the very end corner of the room, you come across what looks like a regular shotgun sprite. You pick it up and notice that instead of one barrel, it's two. What the hell is this, you think to yourself. A super shotgun? Looks like something a ninja would use. You think nothing of it other than it might be a better shotgun, but then you go up to those shotgunners around the brick building the red keycard is in, press the fire button on them, and then all of those hitscanning pieces of shit that'd fuck your shit up easily are all dead in an instant, the last thing they hear is the echoing sound of a booming .wav file of a double barreled force of nature plowing its shells out of both barrels. You load it back up with a CLIK, CLAK, CLUK sound, and realize what you have is something truly Super. You rush into the brick building being pitted against more and more shotgunners that fall in entire socially-undistant groups at the power of this newly acquired weapon of yours. You get the red keycard, and then a bunch of doors both in the area of the brick building and the hallway you just walked through open up, with a bunch of demons pouring out, serving as a further test of your skills as a player that has gotten their hands on one of the best weapons in any game ever made. You plow through all those hitscanners, trump the imps, and cry in joy at the sight of being able to kill pinkies in a single blast rather than three of the regular shotgun from Doom 1.

>>6498372
It all serves as a really cool predecessor to those moments in any other FPS where you get a new weapon for the first time and the game gives you a mini-tutorial on how it use it by summoning a bunch of bad guys at once placed appropriately according to the type of weapon you picked up, as well as some pseudo-storytelling through actual gameplay by basically saying to you "this is where shit gets really serious, but you're still one badass motherfucker that can easily take it all on." Truly it is the first instance of Doom 2 showing how it's not just more of Doom 1, but an entirely different experience altogether.

>>6498368
is this cc4-tex? ew.

>>6498427
why ew?

>>6498427
CC4Tex looks good.

>>6498427
Please feel free to suggest some better textures.

>>6498194
I think it can be harder to understand satire from a culture you didn't grow up in, even sharing the same language. But it's a film that has aged well and grown more subtle and nuanced over time, at least for me.

I can't say the same about the sequels or spin-offs; they seem to have been played a little more straight, although kept some of those elements (MediaBreak) and brought in others (Commander Cash). That said, I've not seen them so often, so I may be misremembering.

Post-cyberpunk is an odd thing, though that isn't necessarily bad; pure cyberpunk seems to be stuck in a kind of alternative future spun off from a nebulous image of the 80s-90s. But then, look at all those things we loved set in the future, and a lot of those futures - 2001, Back to the Future Part II, Blade Runner, Space: 1999 - are now the past.

I've often wondered whether popular cyberpunk media got the "punk" part wrong. I read the genre naming short story by Bruce Bethke last year, and his characters are punks in the sense of petty criminals. The fusion of 80s chrome and neon with punk rock culture came about later.

Sci-fi and horror (to bring it back to Doom and Quake a bit) are interesting genres because they can fit in with all kinds of other settings, and because they hold up a mirror to our anxieties and our society.

Anyway. I think I'm all out of tangent.

>>6498342
It's quite baffling that even today, 26 years after release, most people still don't understand how to design an enjoyable wads.

99% of the user content is about confusing mazes with lots of backtracking, repetitive locations with no sense of place and progression, and additional custom content that totally and grossly doesn't fit the original game's purpose.

No Rest for the Living was a welcome exception. Those guys were pros, and probably that was the reason they nailed the game's character in their levels.

Romero's Sigil and custom levels also showed everyone it's still possible to design levels properly.

>>6495760
i remember playing a wolfestein mod for doom that was quite good, but dont remember the name, it was like a recreation of the original wolf in the doom engine

A year or so ago some dork made original midis for the Doom community. I forgotten what they were or where the DW thread is. Anyone know what I'm on about? It was just one guy.

>>6498647
There's multiple people making MIDIs for Doom WADs, some even make threads on Doomworld. Impossible to tell who are you talking about.

>>6498618
I think half the problem is that the nature of FPS has changed in the intervening years. Doom, Doom 2, and Doom 2016 all stand in very stark contrast to Doom 3, corridor shooters, and modern games with cover mechanics, sniping and such.

Doom is at its best when you have the space to keep moving. It's not Sniper Elite 3, it's not Resident Evil... it's the first-person equivalent of a run-and-gun side scroller. That's just my 2c., of course. But good custom levels do seem to be rare - and you're right, that's with a lot of years to study them, some outstanding examples, and even people making YouTube videos about Romero's design principles.

Is Hellcore worth playing

>>6498618
Backtracking can, and SHOULD be done right.
In fact it's one of the rules Romero established.
Recognizeable landmarks and being intercopnnected so that areas are revisited is pretty much required for a good map.

>>6495961
Your using the mouselook mod/ enhanced edition right?

>>6498660
Yeah, it's fun to make a room where you come back later at a different angle. I wish I was better at non-linearity though.

Playing Quakespasm at 144hz, Y/N ?
Also what difficulty is recommended for someone who just beat Doom II on UV?

>>6498654
I understand. When I search, I end up with threads talking about music, not some catalogue.

But I found it after remembering the guy put it on bandcamp, so found it on Google immediately. Was also the wrong forum I remember.

https://dialupformurder.bandcamp.com/album/midi-dreams
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=60082

>>6498671
if you want unlocked framerate you need quakespasm-spiked or the physics go haywire
play on hard

>>6498678
Cheers.

>"How do we show people that we really CARE?"
>"Gee boss, idk, maybe include ports of original Doom you can play within New Doom"?
>"That's a great idea, Bill!"
>"Should we make effort so it would be an actually good port?"
>"Nah, nobody cares about that."

what are some mods that give doom a visual overhaul (not simply higher res default textures.but making it livelier/handdrawn like treasure tech's weapon looks and animations) without altering the gameplay???

>>6498718
None, really. The other mods that just do a slight vanilla update all use old recycled sprites. I don't blame them either. I don't see a point in making handcrafted unique sprites and then tie them down to vanilla doom mechanics.

>>6498718
Smooth Doom?

>>6498660
>Recognizeable landmarks
I think most mappers struggle with this pretty badly. Romero is a master of creating recognizable areas. Just look at Sigil: every map has at least one area that looks like a real place which can pop up in your dream randomly and you can clearly recognise them from a random screenshot.

When you play random shit like NEIS or DTWID, these landmarks are missing.

Another problem is the lack of flow. In the vast majority of the levels I literally don't know where I am, even if I play the map correctly. I'm at no control of the area as they feel like just random mazes.

>>6498180
Most likely your mom. Tell us, what is your height?

>>6498671
Nightmare is not that hard.

>>6498749
4'20"

>>6498742

I'm pretty sure easily recognizable landmarks was one of the guidelines when DTWID was in development and they still fucked that part up

>>6498774
Yep, that's a big turd alright.

How do I make myself make more non-linear maps? The most non-linear I managed to get so far is splitting map in 2 independent segments, each with a key.

>>6498774
To quote Full Metal Jacket, I didn't know they stacked shit that high.

>>6498686
you get 3 games in one and doom is literally able to run doom
besides it's as vanilla as you can get, the fuck more do you want

>>6498828
How about in-game collectables to enable Nuts.WAD, a selection of Terry WADs, or the complete Harris levels?

>>6498828

Not that anon but for Eternal to not be shit. Weapons have no weight to them, the platforming is stupid, the game looks like darksiders.

>>6498828
>Here's a candy!
>It tastes like poo!
>Why are you complaining, I gave you a candy!?

>>6498837
WADs work
nuts crashes the game though

>>6498842
no really tell me what in the name of fuck were you expecting there
you got vanilla doom 1&2

>>6498846
asking for a port to not be a broken bugridden shit is asking too much,. got it

>>6498828
>doom is literally able to run doom
A fucking printer can run doom. Not an argument.

>>6498796
add extra entrances/exits to rooms
try a hub / wheel design

>>6498858
point out the bugs then
>>6498860
are you that dense or actually retarded holy shit

>>6498828
Does the SSG reload still sound like a door opening?

>>6498865
>point out the bugs
A hole in a condom your dad used twelve years ago when banging your crack whore of a mother.

>>6498871
>no argument
>ad hominem
i accept your concession, kid

>>6498873
Well, yes, I replied to your lack of argument with ad hominem.

>>6498875
you literally missed the point, smoothbrain
ain't my fault you're duller than cousin itt's razor

the threads still aren't ready for any sort of Eternal posting. Clean the non-retro shit out.

>>6498883
eternal literally counts as a sourceport though

>>6498878
The point is that being able to play modern doom in nudoom is only impressive for zoomers like yourself. You could play entirety of Maniac Mansion in Day of the Tentacle, and it was 1993.

>>6498887
Threads still aren't ready for it, we got a few softheads having a slapfight over stupid shit.

>>6498893
Ready for what?

Game is bland and terrible. What a return to form. It will be forgotten like Rage 2.

>>6498889
except these games weren't separated by literal fucking parsecs of IT advancement
>zoomer
wanna know how I know that you're not even 20

>>6498896
If you weren't a zoomer you'd know that the "lol doom can run on a calculator!!!" meme has been around forever, so having what is essentially another official port of the game that barely functions is pretty pathetic.

>>6498907
it's fucking unbelievable how dense you are
jesus christ
how can you miss such a simple point so badly
fucking how

>>6498909
Now you're just as bad as the person you're bicking to for solely relying on adhoms. Congrats!
If your point was getting 3 games in 1 makes it anything more than a novelty gag that just makes you even more underage for not remembering how trash multicart games were i.e. Action 52.

>>6498918
>using action 52 as a multicart example
this is how you spot an actual underage
listen you pile of execrable garbage, literally everyone knows about 'can it run doom', and now the notion has come full circle, because doom can run doom
and since this also is a case of it running in an "alien" environment that wasn't meant for it, the experience will feel like ass when compared to the original

>>6498865
>point out the bugs then
The sound, the palette, the behaviour. Some issues were fixed, but many more remain they are well documented and known, and posts about them were made on the forums, twitter and youtube.

>>6498796
Add some one way paths going between some parts maybe?

>>6498928
>since this also is a case of it running in an "alien" environment that wasn't meant for it, the experience will feel like ass when compared to the original
It doesn't have to feel like ass though, ESPECIALLY since it's id porting their own game. Even pajeet mobile ports (which would definitely be an 'alien' environment for running Doom as well, since you might not know they weren't around when it came out) are more faithful to the original DOS game in function.

>>6498946
>Even pajeet mobile ports (which would definitely be an 'alien' environment for running Doom as well, since you might not know they weren't around when it came out) are more faithful to the original DOS game in function.
>ports specifically designed to handle the game are more faithful than playing it on a setup that was never meant to host it
i'll let you process that for a moment and hopefully you realize how retarded you are

btw speaking of unfaithful ports, how are the newest unity ports? I heard that they were terrible when they first released them but they got some updates that made them much better and faithful. Is that true or just typical bethesda bs?

I'm thinking of composing some MIDI music for doom, what kind of musicplayer do most of people use?(what should I test it in?)
Fmod? Fluidsynth? Any popular soundfonts? Roland Sc55?

>>6498958
whatever you use, don't follow prince's example of ripping off metal bands
his works are really shit outside of that

>>6498950
Why include it at all if the setup is unable to handle it? They chose to make it a half-baked port that simply exists due to novelty.

>>6498871

>>6498962
Yeah I probably won't, unless it will be an obvious cover
I get what you mean, but Bobby stuff ain't that bad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz3uUNb3S1M Into Sandy's City for example, and some of his other stuff, even Bio Menace sounds nice, even if its Adlib shit

>>6498434
No.
>>6498430
CC4-tex is full of bland, low quality textures and poor reskins (such as the gray MARBFACE in your screenshot) and it's not used by any other than beginner mappers that don't know much about texturing/visuals in general.

>>6498958
You should probably use the soundfont Jimmy and others use to compose their stuff. As far as I'm aware, it's the one linked in this article (gm.sf2)

https://www.dfdoom.com/repairing-gzdooms-general-midi-playback/

>>6498828
Yeah, it can run Doom, and it does a very poor job of it, the built in port is garbage and you can tell it was added late as an afterthought.

>>6498957
They fixed those up a lot.

>>6499001
Thanks mate

>>6498998
Demonstrate to us how CC4Tex is bad.

WHO GIVES A SHIT?

Shit I am enjoying redneck rampage more than ion fury. Its so dumb.

post your cacos

>>6498998

You haven't played very many wads have you anon

>>6499049
hey i made that

>>6499052

thank's for your valuable contributions to the caco community

>>6498427
>>6498998
There's nothing wrong with CC4-Tex.

>>6499049

>>6499049

Is The Golden Souls 2 really that demanding of a mod or is it just newer versions of GZDoom being trashfire? I can't get through the second boss because the game uses up almost all of my ram (8gb) and then starts lagging like hell.

>>6499073
did someone not already tell you to just use an older version? just use a fucking older version, why did you keep playing on the fucked up one? why didn't you listen to him.

>>6499073

GZDoom is a fucking dumpster fire

>>6499065

I hate shitty palette hacks more than shitty texture packs

>>6499051
You've never played a Skulltag wad if you don't think cc4 sucks

>>6499113

>playing skulltag wads

>>6499092
So what do you like?

>>6499036
see>>6499061

>>6499114
Are you retarded or just new?

>>6499121
So why is it bad? I think it looks pretty good, it certainly plays good.

>>6499101
is this a mock2 prequel

>>6495760
Are the local MIDI autists here?

I remember one of you mentioned a huge soundfont called Musyng Kite a while back. I plugged in to give it a whirl and holy shit. Y'all tried this? Straight up makes Birdsong from Ancient Ayys sound like it's being performed by a live band or something.

>>6499113
I have played many, and I think CC4-Tex is good.
You don't seem to be able to actually articulate your opinion particularly well.

The fucking corporate joggers deleted 260 GB of GOG stuff on one of my MEGA accounts and over 150 GB of Doom/Quake/Retro FPS stuff on another. Great...

>>6499162
The what and the what now?

>>6499169
He had a bunch of pirated stuff and it got deleted, he's calling the corporations joggers, following with the popular trend of saying a racial slur seeing as he's too much of a coward to just say nigger.

>>6499178
jogger's funnier than to say nigger now desu

any other maps/mods with that hacky custom 90's sprites?

I just beat Sigil, I played it on HMP as I do with all WADs, it was actually quite fun. Perhaps it was because I was on HMP but there wasn't as many big traps as I remember. I had a bit of trouble finding my way through E5M4 but once I figured out where to go it was a breeze. I'll probably go back to it sooner rather than later and beat it on UV and pistol-start. Overall, really fun, if you haven't given it a shot yet anons I'd implore you do.

>>6499206
*As many big traps as I had expected
Sorry for the typing sperg.

>>6499212
>typing sperg
Are mistakes sperglike now.

Playthrough video of map25 of 200 minutes of /vr/ is up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re4eFmV5B6c

>>6499238
Only if it fits the Berlin Interpretation of a sperglike, otherwise it's just a sperglite

Not having infinitly respawning invisible mutants makes SS2 better than SS1. Holy fuck whoever thought this was a good idea is a fucking awful person

>>6498718
Plenty of weapon sprites out there. Make your own mod. It's easy. SLADE is your friend.

>>6499092
Nobody cares

>>6499264
what

>>6496601
no not really. it's just that the culture was lax enough where you could just put a fat girl in a video game and it wasn't politicized as woke or glorifying obesity or whatever

>>6496625
so is crash normalizing anorexia then?

>>6499282
crash is toned
the fuck are you on about

>>6499282
No, by modern standards Crash is male gaze fighting fuck toy.

>>6499284
the fuck are YOU on about? pretty sure my skinny ass arms are more "toned" than hers

>>6499147
>Musyng Kite
>990 mb
I'm literally downloading an orchestra or something

>>6499307
Anon... have you never seen a woman before...? It's natural for them to be generally skinnier than males. Crash is clearly healthy and slim.
That fatass on the other place is going to die of diabeetus before she hits her 50s.

https://youtu.be/V72P9-6S7qM?t=104
>D A M N I M G O O D

>>6499339
It's ok, people don't mind if you're openly gay anymore. No need to hide behind the closet like that, buddy.

>>6499346
Different from being gay, it's not okay to be attracted to whales.

>>6499346
fatty enablers gets the rope first

>>6499341
Duke sounds black

>>6499339
>That fatass on the other place is going to die of diabeetus before she hits her 50s.
Good thing no one dies in the Arenas Eternal so Lucy can be as fat as she wants.

>EDuke32 keeps crashing
I don't remember this source port being so unstable. Is it only the 64-bit build? Getting annoying finishing every level then having to restart the application because it crashes. Thank christ for saving.

Anyone played through Hadron Episode 3? I'm stuck at E3M8, no idea how to get that red key at all.

>>6499409
if you are really stuck try using AM_cheat 1

>>6499278
In system shock 1 level 3 is full of small flat stingray like monsters that are translucent. They shoot fast projectiles that do a lot of damage. They are also quite tanky. It doesnt help that the area is dark as hell. It fucking sucks

>>6499425
That level also contains a weapon that will steamroll every enemy in the game.

>>6499428
Thats true but it still takes two swings to kill them. More than enough time for them to get a hit in.

>>6499341
daaaaaamn...

>>6499409
>Hadron
just looked that up and didn't know there was a remake of Concerned. I remember playing that one a long time ago

>>6499425
Doesn't the headlamp light them and their projectiles up without taking away too much energy? Either way I know what you mean, they're still annoying as hell with the laserrap and make the respawning enemies in SS2 look like a fucking joke by comparison.

>>6499417
Went back to game after posting and found the way immediately. It's teleporter on the left of that platform. I was ABSOLUTELY sure it takes you to another place for some reason.
Besides a somewhat meh progression (hunt down 3 keys) on last map, a fine conclusion to Hadron trilogy. E2 is still my favorite though.