/vr/ - Retro Games

=== ONGOING ===

[12-26] 100 Minutes of /vr/ updated to v1
https://www.mediafire.com/file/m87bdnh0bm17d7b/100minvr_v_1.wad/file

=== NEWS ===

[12-26] Anon makes a mutator 'ArmorisHitPoints'
https://my.mixtape.moe/lnuzbw.zip

[12-26] ESRGAN algorithm used to make HD Textures for RTCW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyRfptKJutU

[12-26] The Merry Christmassy Doom Project
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103649-the-merry-christmassy-doom-project-a-limit-removing-project-from-doomer-boards/

[12-26] Anon map release: Exotic Exports
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rtv23e9k4c9g462/Exotic%20Exports%201.2.zip?dl=0

[12-26] DOOMBA, a Roomba script that turns clean maps into Doom maps
https://twitter.com/DickWhitehouse/status/1077227171482021889

[12-24] Hellshots Golf sees a formal release
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qEHK4iBiXc
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=61021

[12-16] Doomsday's 2.1 update released
http://blog.dengine.net/2018/12/doomsday-2-1-released/

[12-15] BloodGDX and WitchavenGDX both updated
http://m210.duke4.net/

[12-13] Spram's Metroid Doom
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/102880-sprams-metroid-doom-released/

[12-13] Eric releases 'Corruptor of Humanity', a multiplayer gamemode for Hideous Destructor
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=62875

[12-10] John Romero announces a new megawad, Sigil
https://www.romerogames.ie/sigil/

[12-10] Cacowards 2018
https://www.doomworld.com/cacowards/2018/

[12-10] Doomworld's 'Top 100 Memorable Maps' and 'Top 25 Missed Cacowards'
https://www.doomworld.com/25years/top-100-memorable-maps/
https://www.doomworld.com/25years/top-25-missed-cacowards/

[12-10] Ashes: Dead Man Walking, an expansion campaign for Ashes 2063, released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=62707

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RPG series when?

>>5250076
it's because of two words: pure laziness

>>5250112
which one?

>>5250768
I already read your post in the last thread. No need to repeat yourself.

What are some good WADs for Doom that have gothic style levels reminiscent of quake 1/doom 64 that I can play with dark ambient in the background for a spooky time?

>>5250856

Is the quake 2 expansions any good? Or should I get the base game instead.

Any Killing Time mod?

>>5250898
Get all of them Including Zaero(with Quake 2 Console OST) and Oblivion, since those are the true unofficial ones
And prepare your anus for Ground Zero

>>5250883
I'd hope the soundtrack is dark ambient

>>5250713
I want to play some hexen. You had that image with all iwads and ports and engines and whatnot. Where is it?

>>5250923
>https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXz
never fucking mind

Is the DMX library that Doom used available somewhere? I really want to see what's missing from the released source code.

Any tips for setting up Rise of the Triad? Are there sourceports?

How important do you all think it is to have optional areas in wads? I'm nearing the end of map and I just realized the general flow the map has you going through every room.

Why do shitposters call Quake a "tech demo"?

>>5250898
If you want more, I made singleplayer unit too, which you can play for free here:

https://www.moddb.com/mods/sonic-mayhem

>>5251012
Because it is. Even reviewers and forum posts from the time called it "bare bone" and "beta".

>>5251012
Because all Quakes were "tech demos" to represent their engines, because id's business model was to licence engines instead of making games beyond a passable demonstration of what it can do.

That's how it goes.

>>5250940
Sounds cool in theory, I would need some examples to say something more definitive, though I wouldn't want them to be larger than the main map unless it's a complex area leading to the secret levels.

>>5250940
As with everything else in life, it depends.

I find optional areas which are accessible only through some obscure sequence of secret very annoying, especially if I can clearly see them and I have to backtrack to find a hidden switch or a wall somewhere. I prefer the most prevalent ones to unlock as you progress through the level, so that by the end of a level, you get access to all of it, including some of the secret areas, should you be inclined to backtrack, as it rewards backtracking.

what is the most artistic wad out there?

>>5251064
Lilith.

Yaaaay

>>5250713
why is there an ayy lmao in hells army?

Why is 8-Bit Deathmatch so Kino?

>>5251070
Ancient aliens.

Someone suggest me a good WAD to waste an hour of my time with. Like a good map or a short episode.

>>5251076
This is starting to become repetitive from me, but Chainworm Kommando.

>>5251070
it's canon that spess ayys control 75% of the hell forces via the brainbots

>>5251072
mods make it go downhill so fast

What is the most autistic WAD out there?

>>5251089
your favorite one.

Who enhanced the demons in original Doom? The UAC? Are the mastermind/arachnotron race aliens using hell to do their bidding? Or is hell just accomplished with technology in general?

>>5251081
good shit, thanks

>>5251096
>when you're on your way to kill humans and some lesser demons mutters something from the right

D44M makes it out that the UAC was doing it, but I'm pretty sure they were appropriating technology in the originals.

>>5251096
The latter, and the Doom games are just another piece of anti-intellectualism in media.

>>5251096
the first cyber at the end of e3 was a prototype to test the stolen tech & combat abilities

in d2, they just fucking mass produced their stolen goods on selected demons & undead

>>5251119
*e2

Reminder that the Icon of Sin can create technologically enhanced demons like the Mancubus and Arachnotron out of demonic power alone.

>>5251096
The intermission texts explain that hell can corrupt and subvert technology to their side. Original Doom hell is a more formidable adversary than it seems at first.

>>5251076
100 minutes of /vr/

also reminder that if the masterminds finished torturing commander keen for his knowledge, the IoS would've been 100% complete & unstoppable.

DRLA 1.1 WHEN

>>5251154
How does Doom tie into CK again? If at allalso inb4 >caring about dooms plot

>>5251237

Where can I download the pocket PC version of Doom?

>>5251246
no real connection, the events of doom are far in the future from the present day where commander keen happens
presumably anon was making a joke about the hanged keens in map32

>>5251246
ck was full of techbases full of advanced tech he had to cleared out on map knowledge alone. brains knew this so they captured him & somehow kept him living on the end of a rope until next meet. keen knew he was fucked so had a dead man's switch to expose the romero head when he was finally ganked.

btw, this is all speculation.

>>5251264
there's a gba port

>>5251264
>getting it after December 24

CHRISTMAS IS RUINED

>>5251291
> gba port
I have both of them and i use to have the gba wolf3d but i lost it

>>5250713
>someone just gave my maps a glowing review

https://sergejaeken.com/2018/12/27/playthrough-derelict-facility-for-quake-ii/

>>5251334
you've got a thing for :3c's or something ya fucking weirdo

>>5251345
>>5251334
>:3

What's the best way to play Quake 2? I never gave it much of a shot but just got the Super Shotgun and am having a blast.
But the steam version has no music and I can't make it 1440p

>>5251363
Vanilla or YamagiQ2 for classic experience, Ther's also Quake2Pro which is a Software rendered quake 2 port better than vanilla or yamagi

Quake2XP if you want a handmade Remaster using the original source + looking like the One from the X360 port that came with Quake 4, its better playing this one AFTER you finished up Quake 2 entirely, also it needs a good pc.

>Playing the Steam version
there's a tutorial that fixes it, Quake 2 without music isn't quake 2.

>>5251387
Is it possible to lay Yamagi or Vanilla on top of the Steam version or should I go find it elsewhere?

What are the best levels of Plutonia Experiment?

>>5251334
congrats, nigger

>>5251396
yes
>https://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Quake_II#No_music_playback

can i play as a girl in your game

dumb question, can I use doom 1 textures in my doom 2 map?

>>5250243
>I found actual shooting in Doom 3 to be really lackluster
That's why you should use the chainsaw, dude.

>>5251416
Yeah, just copy them into your .wad
Make sure you fit them between the proper markers and add them to a texture lump.

>>5251416
Not if you want to publish it on idgames

>>5250937
I used WinRottGL, it was ok, but I had to delete all the fugly 3D models because the original sprites are too pretty.
Mouselook was a little wonky.

>>5251032
The only engine of theirs that managed to fly off, was Quake3's.

>>5251463
Nigger are you real? People use textures from the other iwads for their pwads all the time.
Not to talk about other games.

>>5251469
A couple of games used the Wolf3D engine.
A couple of games used the Doom engine.
A couple of games used the original Quake engine, particularly Half-Life, one of the most important videogames of the 90s.

>>5251423
how would I go about doing that? sorry, new to this.

>>5251478
You do have a point about the GoldSrc branch of the original Quake engine.

>>5251471
I tried to submit a wad using d1 textures and they rejected it. I have seen other wads on there with them, so I guess it's a gamble.

Where/When/What/Whombo is TNT Evilution 2 iwad? Plutonia 2 is boring, I want the sequel to the better half of Final Doom.

>>5251485
You'll learn.
First, make a copy of your .wad (always make a copy before making a really substantial change, actually), then download Slade.

Open your .wad with Slade, then look at these tutorials:
http://slade.mancubus.net/index.php?page=wiki&wikipage=Tutorials

Don't use Slade for building maps though, that's just clunky, use Doombuilder 2 or something like that.
Slade is for managing and editing your code, textures and sounds, etc.

>>5251501
Sounds like bullshit, you've got shit like Memento Mori, Hell Revealed, Plutonia 2, Going Down, etc on the archives.

>>5251536
Also, by your .wad, I mean the .wad that contains the levels you made, not doom.wad or doom2.wad

>>5251520
Clearly people thought otherwise, thankfully. TNT is such a forgettable schlock with hexen-tier level design. No wonder it's been forgotten while the much better half of Final Doom has had more "sequels". Try Plutonia Revisited to see if you like it more than PL2.

>>5251520
There's Revilution which is an unofficial sequel.

>>5251559
something tells me you're a bit touchy about opinions.

>>5251598
afraid a new TNT will happen before Plutonia 3.

>>5251594
thanks ill check it out.

>>5251345
:3

>>5251404
Thank you.

>>5251559
lol

Aw sweet
I can do shrooms

>>5250856
>>5250884
>>5250951
>>5251056
>>5251068
What is this? It looks comfy.

If the first game was inspired by Wolf3D, this one is inspired by ROTT

>>5251613
Shadow of the Wool Ball

>>5251613
These are none other than that of a creation of Ray Casting Gamemaker, wonderful engine to make games in the vein of Wolf3D

Here's an idea for a /vr/ .wad: "/vr/'s First Map"

Everyone just complies the first beatable maps they've ever made.

>>5251642
my first map was an L-shaped corridor with a few soldiers behind the first door, a shotgun in the middle, 50 shell boxes, and a cyber demon behind the second door because my friends said it was too easy. I kinda want to dig that up now for the fuck of it.

Oh no... Please don't tell me I have to throw that guy in there.

>>5251064
Winter's Fury

>>5251703
Is that Death Wish?

>>5251642

I don't think I have mine. I'd need to recreate it.
Which would be interesting, mind.

>>5251716
No.

https://youtu.be/mLgUAb88QVE

>>5251785
What a waste of ammo.

Roundcat attacks!

Fun fact: in MetaDoom, if an Archie/Summoner revives a Cyber Mancubus, it uses regular Manc sprites.
Also, i was wrong, Beholder may not use Hexen sounds.

>>5251834
THICC

>tatsurdcacocaco plays with trilinear filters
gross.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl9CdHaufSs

Cool original soundtrack

Can the MarkV source port use sound replacements? I want to use this https://gamebanana.com/sounds/35855 but I can't get it going for some reason

DJ Snitchcat watching out for my sorry ass
He gonna call the guards

>>5251941
>t.crackbaby

>>5251961
I was a literal crack baby and even I don't write that bad. That motherfucker's straight up retarded.

>>5251520
There's TNT Revilution, though it's a very good mapset and it tries to capture some of the stylings of TNT Evilution, it doesn't quite manage to do that, not much.
It does however manage to have its own distinct atmosphere that works rather well, so if you liked the original TNT, you probably would like Revilution, even if not for all the same reasons.

>>5251559
Bad post, aside from mentioning Plutonia Revisited Community Project, that's pretty good if you like Plutonia stuff (and I do).

>>5251965
Oh. Not that anon, but if you don't mind me asking, how does that affect you? Like, do you notice and feel yourself as different from others?

>>5251978
TNT Revilution funnily enough reminded me more of Memento Mori 2 and Requiem rather than TNT. Hell, one of its midis is a remix of a Requiem midi, and even has a couple new midis from Jeremy Doyle, who did three midis for Requiem.

>>5251520
TNT 2 is still in development, though I could see it releasing next year.

>>5251978
I'm pretty sure crack gave me the tism, but if you're really curious, crack babies have a higher chance of developing ADD/ADHD like symptoms but overall the effects are nowhere near as detrimental as shit like fetal alcohol syndrome.

here's a new york times article talking about it
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/27/health/27coca.html

>>5251961
What a fucking terrible meme. They took a funny picture someone else made and added their own redundant caption, then uploaded it to some shitty site that adds watermarks. Normie get the fuck out

>>5251995
I should go back and check those out then, maybe they'll be more interesting with that perspective.

>>5252003
Oh yeah, looking forward to that!

>>5252016
I do remember hearing that there was this big panic that babies exposed to cocaine/crack in the womb were gonna grow up to be like super psychos or something, but then it turned out that wasn't really true at all and the effects aren't actually that crazy.

Alcohol can fuck up a kid royally though, that's true.

>>5251941
>BD's bugs with Bethesda's engine

>>5251559
>with hexen-tier level design
I only recall like 5-6 maps that were that big. Most of TNT is actually small-medium sized maps.

>>5251604
>not enjoying both TNT and Plutonia for their own strengths
TNT and Plutonia are separate stories and levels, with distinct styles, but they still go together as Final Doom.

I couldn't be without either of them. It's like not putting a slice of cheese on a hamburger, it's still a burger, but it's just not the same without the cheese.

>>5252063
>gibs clip through the floor while violently vibrating, blocking all doors they are near, elevators never work after one gib has fallen to a floor tile

>>5252030
>What a fucking terrible meme. They took a wojak
Fix'd

>>5252069
Of course they are both great in their own ways, TNT was just a more solid game with some challenge while Plutonia was a solid stack of challenging levels for the sake of being challenging. Sort of like comparing Pokemon Diamond to Pokemon Stadium (except both where you only have a Weedle while every enemy is a level 50 Diglet)

>>5252064
Nevermind that most maps (not all, granted), are fairly straight forward. They're also self-contained and operate with just the keys available to Doom.

I'd argue one of the biggest sinners of bad progression and level design combined of TNT is Baron's Lair, and that's hardly one of the big maps.
There could have been even bigger maps, but iD had them trimmed or cut outright due to being too large for machines in the day to handle smoothly (possibly some of those were by Drake O'Brian, who made most of the Fucking Big Levels).
Habitat was fucking inexcusable though, JFC, I can't believe iD looked at that map and gave it a pass.

>>5252035
Memento Mori 2 holds up pretty well for a 96 wad. The DWMegawad Club thread for it last month showed a generally positive reception from people who played it for the first time. I also think Memento Mori 1 has its share of worthwhile maps, but does show its age a bit more.

Requiem is also good, though it's a bit incoherent at times, and has a few maps that were clearly filler, and a few others that were more about showing off cool vanilla engine tricks rather than good gameplay. I found that the best maps are from people who also contributed to the MMs previously.

>>5252063
That'd be something else.

>>5252083
The current trend of recycling Wojaks is pretty boring actually (I'll admit I kind of like the boomer, because fuck yeah, Quake!), but this still isn't even nearly as bad as back when "That feel when..." threads festered all over 4chan like fucking cancer, and half the threads on a board could have that ugly fucking face in the catalog.

>>5252093
What really shocks me, is that the author of Habitat made an actually pretty good map in Icarus.

>>5252076
> walk over one
> player position starts spazzing out
> seizure

>>5252109
Yeah. Who was that, Chris Buteau? That was a pretty good opening level. I don't think he made anything else, which is a shame.

>>5251604
Plutonia 3 actually technically already exists. It's just terrible.
https://www.doomworld.com/files/file/18834-plutonia-3-going-to-surface/
Why they allowed it to be uploaded with that name, I have no idea.

>>5252127
i remember seeing a joke wad called plutonia 4

>>5252110
>send a body flying
>it continues rotating in place before an Archvile revives it mid flight
>game crashes and your computer blue screens

The final episode of Wool Ball

Finally got to play Strife properly and reached a point where i apparently, cut off some prison guy's hand to set free the prisoners.

>>5252161
strife guy is not a nice guy

>>5252161
You do, you're kind of a dick in Strife even taking the "good" choices.

Even ignoring the guards you kill in self-defense you assassinate three people minimum in the first hour.

>>5252187
Don't worry, they're super evil.
Because we told you so.

>>5252161
Strife has some pretty good moments.
Drags in a few places, and isn't as long as I'd like, but overall a game worth playing.

>>5252186
>>5252187
Violent revolutions get ugly.

>>5252194
You mean the guys who pick you up for the crime of basically being a traveler, then after exclaiming "We are going to kill you!", try to do as such? Yeah, they have won my sympathy.

>vayshitter shitposting and seething against neural upscaled doom on the neural ai thread
continue russian shitter, we all laugh at your 3d shit

>>5251965
>>5251961
it's a /tv/ pasta lol

>>5252235
The neural upscaling thing is so far a pretty Vasyan kind of thing (going by the Russian nomenclature), because it's the kind of tool that a Vasyan type would try to use as a shortcut for "good grafficks" without putting any actual effort into manually editing the sprites afterwards to make sure they're good and that errors are handled.

Neural upscaling I think can be a useful tool, but I also think that people are dramatically overestimating what it's actually capable of doing.

Sorry it had to end so sadly

Overall, it was a good two megaWADs and I look forward to this creator's work in the future

>>5252247
he's shitposting and calling shit
>>5230316

>>5251897
I hate that, but at he same time he's fucking good at UVMaxing on a keyboard.

>>5252247
>I also think that people are dramatically overestimating what it's actually capable of doing
Agreed, but I don't think they're exaggerating the potential. AI in the future very well may be able to perform similarly to humans for *most* of the work at least, and potentially all of it. As-is it's definitely capable of easing up on the workload significantly.

What it will likely never do is make exactly what you want. The only way to have things look like they do in your mind is to do them yourself...

>>5252256
A machine can do a lot, even for art, but at some point a human hand has to step in because machines are not capable of exhibiting judgement or preference.

>>5252250
A lot of the examples in the thread look REALLY bad though.

>>5252248
iirc there was a good ending

>>5251089
Probably one of the Ghouls Vs Humans or Mega Man addons, I've seen some weird fucking shit in servers

>>5251520
I thought Icarus was TNT2?

>>5252276
No, Icarus was developed as compensation due the fact that TNT was originally going to be a free megawad, but then got bought by iD Software for commercial sale and distribution (a minor controversy at the time), thus there would still be a free megawad for people.

>>5252265
I was tricking everyone into thinking there was a sad ending but it was actually happy

>>5251642
My first map is already in 300 minutes of /vr/.

>>5252003
I thought Team TNT was dead tho

>>5252286
They are, it's a fan project.

https://pastebin.com/xY6gLtWd
>>5245987

>>5252107
>but this still isn't even nearly as bad as back when "That feel when..." threads festered all over 4chan like fucking cancer, and half the threads on a board could have that ugly fucking face in the catalog.
Eh, at least you knew what they were about. Nowadays you get blindsided all the time by the latest wojack edit /v/ just forced five minutes ago.

>>5252302
There's still some MetaDoom stuff i wish i knew, mostly sound related.
>Revenant's homing missile
>Summoner's sounds, specially its alert sound
>Beholder's sounds
I don't know how i thought the last one had Hexen Reiver noises again.

>>5252302
Oh yeah? Well can you explain why I'm having no fun in Metadoom!?
Just kidding, I like MetaDoom

>>5252191
The Wool Ball series is so fucking cute I think I got diabetes from playing them.

I have found a new Reaction Image

>>5251642
my first beatable map is like four computers in the past
I remember it being an E1M1 remake which had the entire weapon progression hidden in it (mostly in secrets), and there were a lot of probably needless zdoom features in it (like patrol points, since I found them on the zdoom wiki and thought they were super neat)

that was back before doom builder 2, I think

Oh look at that, turns out Rise of the Wool Ball had a happy ending

>>5251642
I still have mine, it's a pretty mediocre/amateur map with almost zero height variation. I imagine a compilation of similar levels would suck pretty hard.

Okay guys, who here has done this thing in Guncaster 3.0:
>get BFG alternate fire mode in shop
>gunzerk powerup
>fire it
>entire screen freezes and goes green
>everything dies
>no more BFG ammo
>maximum pleasure

Also, melee is way OP in Guncaster, you can kill spider masterminds by punching and kicking them alone. No berzerk needed.

>>5252395
I feel like that might have happened when I found the BFG on the last level of the megawad I finished with Guncaster. All I remember is firing it, game either stuttered or slowed to a crawl, and I may have killed the Icon of Sin that way.

What are some good .wads for gitting gud at Doom?

>>5252406
all of them.

>>5252395
>>5252402
> guncaster
> op

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYJ7KxDuRiY

its cheapo instant gratification and you really shouldnt expect anything else
which kinda sucks since most of the stuff in the mod is 'just there'
you dont get a lot of use out of things you dont need to use
you find something cool by chance and then wonder why dont you use it more often before promptly forgetting about it again

>>5252406
Plutonia

There was a lot of poop in the Wool Ball games

>>5252406
Resurgence.

>>5252406
The first couple of maps of Thy Flesh Consumed on UV, because you're made to walk such a fine line on resources.

>>5252434
E4M1 is just the lack of resources. Its otherwise not that difficult, unless going for 100%
E4M2 also makes dangerous use of damaging floors, and has encounters that restrict your mobility.

>>5252449
Well I mean it's a start, it puts your head in the space where you gotta make sure no shot is wasted, where you can't afford to take hits due to the lack of health pickups, and you gotta watch your step.

It's no Alien Vendetta or anything but still, it throws a lot of Barons at you, with not a lot of margin for error, particularly if you want to 100% the maps.

>>5252409
>enjoying simple, easy, cheap things is bad
>instant gratification in a (((literal))) video game is not okay with you

is this what you meant because it's what I heard.

Alright, rant time:

People can't eat a potato chip, wear a 100% cotton t-shirt, or hit a coin block in Mario without pontificating about how someone's work became an easy Saturday activity for someone else. Enjoy something once a while, for Christ's sake. They never put enough sesame seeds on a hamburger bun to satisfy these fucking losers. Grinds my gears.

Golf v1.1, there was a way to cheat that let people get a hole-on-one on every map.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gd2edf5jszp4ufg/hellshots_golf-v1.1.pk3?dl=1

>>5250713
Why is Freedoom 2 version 0.7 so fucking good? Like, the map where you start with two cacodemons and a box, and slowly descend through a huge facility, the barracks, and the AGM HQ is just so fuckin great.

>>5251095
/thread

>>5252479
This needs more shit involving IRL golf
>"Master Glory Hole" map with various references to the Masters/Augusta National (the Masters theme music, the winner's green jacket, the based simple and cheap menu)
>more maps designed after shit like Pebble Beach and St. Andrews
>Jim Nantz voice samples
>John Daly skin where the player color is his pants

not IRL golf related, but maybe add Phil Bromlin from Brigador while you're at it.

>>5252468
i never said that it is or liking it is bad
i'm saying a lot of use of the extra stuff falls a bit on the wayside since you can do just fine ignoring them and just play it like vanilla doom
but maybe that's just me
i enjoy a challenge and mechanics that get constant use

>>5252507
>Master Glory Hole
I'd love one.

GZDoom 3.7.0 is out.

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=63032

>>5252536
meant to reply to this>>5250714

>>5252536
>Please be aware there are also now UDMF fields for destructible geometry.
Okay now that sounds pretty cool

>>5252615
Looks like there's improvements to the doom64-style lighting and a bunch of optimization improvements in general. Neat.

>>5252615
we ALL hideous destructor now

>>5252615

Was just replaying Strife and noticed something bizarre. ALL your weapons fire with a random x/y offset, not just your hitscan rifle. And this is without autoaim enabled. So the crossbow, the rocket launcher, all of them fire with SIGNIFICANT inaccuracy. This is probably a significant reason why the combat feels so unfun.

>>5252705
Does it do that in the original game? I've only played it in GZDoom.

>>5252705
You upgrade your precision as you progress in the game.

>>5252536
that is convenient, because that quake movement thing I was working on required NOFRICTION
here it is, for anyone to use: http://git.jinotra.in/ijon/quakemovement

and here's a patch for samsara 0.3666 that adds quake physics to ranger, as well as a couple bugfixes and other edits, detailed in CHANGES.txt
http://jinotra.in/downloads/mods/doom/samsara/samsara_personaledits-v1.pk3

>>5252637
Fuuuck YEAH!

>>5252536
> NOFRICTION disables all friction effects on the thing it's set on
(including the speed cap from water/crouching)
> mfw the thing i complained about gets fixed
> with it specifically stated
Y E S .

>>5252741
HUUH

>>5252741
The last time I used Kinsie's continuation of Samsara on a modern GZDoom version, I remember the HUD being pretty fucky.

>>5252771
yeah the fullscreen HUD (and I think the weapon bar on the bar HUD) are fucked
the bar HUD without the weapon bar is fine

>>5252710
I do remember that. But it's still quite annoying to have any spread on projectile weapons.
>>5252709
I would assume so. I don't see any reason why GZDoom devs would add this feature in.

>>5252741
> QC movement in doom
> with Slash crouch sliding
i think i hear DBT salivating in the distance

also
> zero step height when midair
the one thing that other fps games need to copy from doom when it comes to platforming is not being able to lift your legs a bit and stubbing your toe and falling to your death

Slaughterfest 2012
Doom Incarnate

>>5252780
>Posts a screenshot
>Mentions what mod and what map being played on
Nice.

>>5252775
there is a reason ranger doesn't copy the "0 maxstepheight in midair" part of quake 1 in my samsara patch

>>5252741
This is pretty nifty. Now I gotta find a good map set that won't break by jumping.
>>5252780
Is that Colorful Hell as well?

>>5252783
found a bug or unlisted feature
you can't jump while standing on an actor of any kind
can't imagine it playing nice with actor based 3d bridges

>>5252795
whoops
http://git.jinotra.in/ijon/quakemovement/commit/f5b5d8bd0ec04231112da7e156f1c3860704fe7f

>>5252785
Alfonzone is built for jumping and crouching, check it out. It's a set of about 10 or so short episodes, so it's very nicely bite sized.

>>5250898
>>5250915
Juggernaut is just bad. Don't get it. Even the "new" monsters are just bad looking reskins of existing enemies.

ATMOSPHERIC

>>5252803
Cheers, I'll check it out.

>finally looked up how to use brass in HD

Theres 4 days left until the end of 2018, /doom/. Have some unsettling cacodemon.

>>5252818
The Brontornis is a joy of a gun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-8wua3uDVk

i dont know why but i find HD videos to be a strange sort of comfy and entertaining
something about the slower more methodical pace with the occasional panic when shit goes south fast

>>5252898
Watching someone who knows what they're doing play HD is both fun and satisfying as hell.

>>5251027
What tool do you use?
Are there custom compilers that can do more advanced things?

What do I need if I want to play Hexen II and Heretic II?

>>5252209
>Drags in a few places, and isn't as long as I'd like, but overall a game worth playing.
Playtesting with Strife is a barrel of laughs, after a few weeks I've now got the sewer committed to muscle memory.

>>5252536
>add support for scaled textures in the software renderer
Didn't the software renderer already support this?

>add vanilla lightmode that behaves exactly as Doom's original light did
Nice.

>Added a function to get the actor's age in ticks.
>Added a new field to the Actor class which stores the amount of ticks passed since the game started on the moment the actor was spawned.
Nice!

>>5252767
Can you elaborate on what you needed NOFRICTION for/what your problem was?

>>5252780
TFW I had to edit that key section because it was annoying me for being able to tell without looking if you'd picked a key up.

>>5252705
That's pretty much what the targeter item was made for, until you upgrade your accuracy enough later. Doesn't mean I ended up using it though.

>>5252937
>>Added a new field to the Actor class which stores the amount of ticks passed since the game started on the moment the actor was spawned.
What does that mean, and what can it be used for?

>>5252937

>>5252767
>(including the speed cap from water/crouching)
velocity of players was hard capped when in any level of deep water
you could be going at mach 4, tap the sole of your boot in 3d sector deep water, and instantly be reduced to slower than normal run speed
unless you were crouching, which raised the speed cap by about 5 times
and it simplifies making your own friction system from a blank slate, instead of having to wrestle with the omni-present built-in friction

>>5252945
>What does that mean
you can get how many tics an actor has existed in a map without doing it manually with a loop in tick() / state
>and what can it be used for?
what ever you want to use it for

>>5252979
it's no coincidence that those are the exact reasons why I asked for (and implemented) NOFRICTION in the first place
there's still some dumb shit you have to account for (take a look at QA_Friction in quakemovement to get an idea), but at least it's nothing you can't get around, unlike the stupid water/crouch speed cap

the other major annoyance is the movement inputs, but this suggestion would deal with that: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=63024

Why the fuck do I bother playing this shitty game.

>>5252995
Does your Quake movement mod work with sector friction? Like sticky ground or icy floors.

>>5253014
>he dropped the soap

>>5253031
The spiders in that game are fucking horrible. Playing this game was a terrible idea.

>>5252945
It's an easy way to make timers by storing the tick value and checking how much it has gone up by later, which can be used for a lot of things.

>>5253014
>>5253035
consider the following

>>5253043
How the fuck do you use dynamite if they're already biting your legs.

>>5253028
ye
icy floors don't work the way they do in quake, though. in quake they just reduce friction, while they reduce both friction and acceleration here, mainly so that you don't have quake dudes sanicing around on ice while doom dudes keep sliding into walls.

>>5253048
you jump and move backward
> but my back is literally up against a wall
then you have fucked up several times prior to end up in this situation

>>5253057
I find it difficult to think when I'm panicking. Fucking spiders, I hate these.
And they're not even fun to burn.

>>5253014
You are not very bright maybe ?!

>>5253035
Your parents said the same when you came out

>>5251089
the one made by a diaper fetishist furry. The Sky May Be

Dark Tartarus with gameplay mods is fun as fuck.

>>5253039
Oh. That makes sense.
Kind of surprising that this wasn't a feature like, a decade ago, because it would make so many things so much simpler.

>>5253061

>>5253048
Don't ever stop jumping when the spiders come crawling. Mobility is key for Blood, mobility and crouching, sometimes together.

>>5253179
Weird way to spell Guncaster.

>>5253312
>>5253320
>>5253323
>>5253325
Ironically I think this level would look better in Combine_Kegan vision

>>5253323
>>5253320
>>5253312
>>5253325
Looks like a Heretic or Hexen WAD to me.

>>5253441
Not with that Icon of Sin texture. Void came out in 2003, this isn't exactly new for Doom.

Romero's streams didn't convince me of the quality of his levels. Those overused wooden textures for example look horrible on hellish areas.

Too bad, Tech Gone Bad was gud.

>>5253523
Before he started trying to sell this Sigil thing, he'd stated that he's way behind on what is good mapping now and that he'd never catch up.

I'm not sure why anybody is surprised that it's not looking that great when he doesn't even have the other id mappers to look over his shoulder or give feedback anymore.

>>5253523
>Those overused wooden textures for example look horrible on hellish areas.
I disagree, I think that on the contrary they look excellent in hellish environments.

A lotta slaughtering

is there a mod to replace all of the enemies and characters with wojaks and pepe faces

>>5253686
is the weapons of DI good against black spawns?

https://www.twitch.tv/houdinistreams

Streaming myself playing Quake for the first time. I've never streamed before, so feedback is appreciated.

>>5253714
Play on Hard.

>>5253179
>The Sky May Be
I tried that wad out after reading about it on Old Man Murray back in the day. fucking thing made my 486 overheat so bad the socket cracked itself off the mainboard. ded.

is jumping a thing in strife?

>>5251559
>with hexen-tier level design
So really good levels?

>>5252838
Pixar's Cacodemons?

>>5253751
Yes, it's the last of the Doom-engine'd games so jumping was very much something they used.

>>5253763
What Hexen really, really got wrong was assuming a bit much on the part of the player with things like looking at the names of maps and picking up on environmental clues like the sound of doors opening when you returned to the hub map.

I'm absolutely shit at quake

Might and Magic adaptation for Doom, I am working on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9wwk2r94pc

>>5253805
Keep streaming anon. Also remember to fix the music.

I AM STILL STUCK
Checked and punched every fucking wall.

>>5253807
You have my interest.

https://www.strawpoll.me/17127199

>>5253454
looks like i'll never be opening gzdoombuilder ever again

Back playing Quake for the first time.

/houdinistreams

>>5251559
What's the point of playing megawads with like every other map is build by someone else? That's not a megawad, that's just a fucking map collection without any kind of style coherence or progress.

TNT, Master Levels, Episode 4, along with Memento Mori 1-2, Requiem, Perdition's Gate, or even modern stuff like DTWID or D2TWID should all go to hell with their clusterfuck authorship.

>>5251064
The Sky May Be

>>5251089
The Sky May Be or Rootpain.wad

Probably Rootpain.

>>5253014
Because it's the best CShooter since Doom.

>>5253807
>Might and Magic
>AND I FEEL M I G H T Y

>>5253974
But it has spiders.

>>5253974
>ckshoo-ter

>>5253980
So does your bed :^)

>>5253984
NO

>>5253983
>dk shooter

>>5253862
why.

>>5253523
I'm purposefully not watching the streams and just waiting for sigil to come in. Even if it's awful I can be happy I gave Romero money, directly this time.

The packaging is still going to be hella nice. I would feel bad for whoever buys the super deluxe version though.

>>5253615
I don't want Romero to adapt the shitty community mapping tropes. Just create something as good as E1M4b and E1M8b.

>>5252479
who tf plays this shit

Nice stream, anon. I enjoyed.
My advice: play more conservatively.

>>5253926

Shamblers are fucking bullshit

>>5254056
Seek cover. Quake also values prioritizing targets. Circle strafing DOOMlets need not apply.

>>5254056
Just wait till you meet Spawns

>>5253926
Man, that's one shitty ass opinion.

>>5254063
not bad
but will we ever get 3d models of doom monsters that actually fit into doom itself?

>>5254063
this feels like what the doom 64 cacodemon actually should have looked like instead of pic related

>>5254056
Use the Super Nailgun or the Thunderbolt and they'll go down in no time.

>>5254006
because i won't be able to make something like that, ever

>>5254020
me

>>5254078
Basically impossible unless GZDoom implements better handling of monster movement and directions that let modders really get creative.

>>5252925
>Hexen II
Pirate the game since the Steam version doesnt include the expansion pack; Hammer Of Thyrion sourceport
>Heretic II
don't know, theres probably a guide on steam on how to run it on a modern OS

>>5254056
Protip: Shamblers take like half damage from explosives, save your rockets and just hose him down with your super nailgun, or give him a taste of his own medicine and ZAP him.

If you find a Quad Damage nearby, you're golden.

>>5254061
I don't have to take that from you.

>>5254063
What's the point?

>>5253523
I think they look fine.
Also that setpiece from the trailer where you get chased by a cyberdemon in a maze looks exciting as hell.

>>5254098
DOOMlet spotted, wall-run the fuck outta here

>>5254078
Why do you want ugly 3D models so hard?

>>5254113
I actually don't wallrun, and I use cover all the time.

>>5254056
Super Nailgun rips right through them
Alternatively if you stand where they spawn in you can telefrag them

>>5254056
they're worse than archviles with that fast as all fuck attack signalling

>>5254063
fuck's sake I was going to do something like this when I had the time
it looks neat though

Should I get drunk and continue my Quake run tonight?

>>5254245
That's a fucking bullshit claim and you know it.
Archviles are the WORST. I've never had as much trouble with a Shambler as I've had with an Archvile.

Is there any Doom wad that takes place in a Die Hard-like scenario where you're trapped in a tall building with a bunch of thugs wanting to kill you?

>>5254283
Going Down I guess?

>>5254268
The Shambler is more like a halfway between the Baron Of Hell and the Arch-Vile, than it is a straight Arch-Vile analogue.

Fuzzy is a tough cookie, but he's not an alarming kind of danger like Hungry Skelton. I mean if you run away from a Shambler, you can regroup and deal with him later, if you run away from an Arch-Vile, chances are very good that you just made things much worse for yourself, because he'll raise monsters you killed before if you don't stop him.
Archie's devil magicks can be fairly easily handled with some cover however, while Albino Cookiemonster's thunderbuttfuck is much more immediate.

>>5254283
That's pretty much Going Down, though mind it goes off the walls as you get deeper and deeper in the game (in a good way, mostly).
Also I need to see that movie again.

GETTING DRUNK AND PLAYING QUAKE FOR THE FIRST TIME

/houdinistreams

Oh, Map 07 in Slaughterfest 2012 is a repeat of Dead Simple
That's weird...

Whats the best way to play doom wads? and can i map my mouse like this?

>>5254398
Like, the exact same map?
>Stone with Slayer mark
Is that from a Doom Incarnate update?

>1700~ monsters
Just a repeat of Dead Simple, really

>>5254410
Yeah, it's a new power. Not sure what it does yet

Since Eternal makes the SSG have something mobility related, i had a idea for an SSG weapon.
>Its alt fire is a rocket jet/boost thing that pushes you back, so it can make you hit and harm enemies behind you.
>If you aim it down, you go upwards.
>This fire can also behave like a plasma gun or flamethrower, as it shoots flames that burn enemies.

>>5254405
Depends on the wad, and yes you can.

>>5254430
So, the Force-A-Nature?

>>5254431
thanks :)
comfiness here i come!

>>5253807
Looks pretty cool.

Is Valiant's Mancubian Candidate is the best Doom map ever made? Well, the best Map07, that's for sure.

Are there any D E E P L O R E shooters like marathon or doom wads around?

>>5253807
I played a bit of that a while back, I really liked it and had a huge hankering for something like this.

Never found this out, but is there going to be a kick attack so I can continue to be Sir Kicksalot?

All this carnage...

fffffaaaaaaaggggggssssss

play any mapkino recently?

>>5254546
I only play mapkino

>>5253849
Have you done the secret levels?

>>5254570
Furries ruin everything -_-

>>5254571
>-_-

Back to /v/

faaaaaaaaaaaagssssssss
but with a removed sky artifact

>>5254570
hot topic doom

>>5254574
back to /b/ with this cancer

>>5254574
back to /g/

When's the last time you played in the true resolution 319 by 199?

>>5254594
when's the last time you found jesus

>>5254624
When I was 13

>>5254570
weird flex, but ok

>>5254594
when i had my windows me

>>5254570
> generic furry garbage instead of the several tasteful Daisy pics

>>5254639
This.

>>5254570
This is haram
Daisy is a brown bunny

I have never finished Doom 2 although I finished Doom 1 many times

>>5254754
Do you tend to drop it at some point?

>>5254754
You haven't missed much.

>>5254762
tricks and traps and the pit
the farthest that I have come is refueling base

>>5254768
Mmm, I like those levels.
You should push through someday, Doom 2's good levels are spread across the game, rather than bunched up at the beginning like some wads.
What are you playing right now?

>>5254783
nothing, I just played 100 minutes of /vr/, I liked Post Memoriam

from the neural vr thread
>>5254720

>>5254754
I've played through Doom more times than I can count, but I've probably only played through Doom 2 three or four times.

Part of it is the first game's episodic structure - the end of an episode is good point to put the game down, and the start of the next episode is an equally good point to pick it back up again. You don't really get that in Doom 2. There's less sense of a progress in pushing through 32 levels with no true milestones in the middle.

The other, more obvious reason is that it just isn't as consistently good as the first game. The level design varies in quality a lot due to their attempts to mix up the formula and squeeze new experiences and envirnoments out of the engine.

>>5254852
Classical doom is over-rated, especially given the cultish fanaticism about it's level design, despite it being wildly inconsistent even between the same author in the same episode.

This post is retro. Shouldn't need to tell you this.

>>5254852
just idclev to 1, 12, or 21
there's your episodes, Starport, City, Hell

>>5254303
Does there exist a sprite sheet for Quake monsters to be used in Doom? Might be a neat mod to add in some Quake monsters to the Doom bestiary

>>5254570
Yiff in hell furfag

>>5254958
>parroting a 15 year-old /b/ meme

Okay, drone

>>5254570
I believe this artist could make decent porn, if only they took out the awful furry flavoring they put in here.

>>5254980
Careful, you'll trigger the furfag.

>>5254975
Oh wait, too late.

Sure is vidya in here, innit', old chum?

I'm gonna post some Doom instead of getting mad at someone because they posted a picture

>>5255019
to be fair its an awful pic that should never have been posted in the first place

also
doom incarnate got an update?
i recall those guns not having those side canisters

>>5253850
have you played Marathon?

Hmmmm, this looks awfully close to E4M1

>>5255036
i wonder why

>>5254975
The sentiment is timeless.

>>5255036
warborn, one of the slaughterfest maps?

Map 12, Slaughterfest 2012
Doom Incarnate v1.8.1, Colorful Hell

>>5254246
You can still make your own version, come on

>>5255019
>>5255036
>>5255053
> asymmetrical dual wield sprites
cool

I'm smashing through this megaWAD quicker than I assumed considering I'm up against 1000 enemies sometimes.

>>5255052
Correct

>>5254135

>>5255061
OwO whats this?

>>5255113
there is no bulge, why the owos ж

Has anyone here played the Doom mods by that kid Harris who shot up Columbine?
Is there really a Columbine High School Doom mod that he released right before the shootings?

>>5255158
there was that UAC Ultra or whatever, where he did try to "enhance" the gore and was like "KILL EM ALL" in the readme, but he was a pretty shitty map designer in terms of actual quality.
no, he did not map out Columbine in Doom

>>5254956
There's a little bit here and there, there's those four frames of Shambler, Accessories To Murder features a complete Vore, and I think someone made that one enforcer dude with the backpack and helmet.

>>5251064
sunder.wad

>>5254768
You have Spaghettio Of Erosion right after Refueling Base, so that's one of the best maps, but on the other hand you have Factory immediately after that one, which is one of the boringest maps.

Doom 2 isn't bad, but it's a rather mixed bag.

>>5254852
I think the way things are divided up into episodes is often better (either proper Doom 1 episodes, or pseudo-episodes with death exits in a Doom 2 format). There's some which work as full 32 map smackers however.

>>5254871
Wow, bad opinions.

>>5251630
I hope next part would be more... Doomy.
I also hope there will be a next part.

Rebecca is cute.

>>5255158
>Has anyone here played the Doom mods by that kid Harris who shot up Columbine?
Yes. They're really unremarkable and uninteresting, one of them features 'enhanced gore', ergo the little fag-ass Harris scrawling over the sprites with MS-Paint.

The amount of myth around these are unreal, they're really not any good or worth anyone's time. Go play Memento Mori 2, Mutiny, or Interception, if you want to play a .wad that's actually really good.

>Is there really a Columbine High School Doom mod that he released right before the shootings?
No. That has always been a myth, fans have made some facsimiles based on their fantasies.
Columbine fans are, like in the rest of civilized society, regarded as complete pariahs among fans of Doom, so they're not welcome here.

>>5252262
if you actually look there, most of the bad ones are being labelled as that or done as experiment by different neurals

>>5252247
this is actually better than most HD texture packs, since most people doing them has even less talent than AI. Also it preserves the overall contrast/color of the image so it does not fuck up the scene.

manual clean-ups are a must however, but still it cuts down a lot of work for a decent result

>>5252409
but heres a thing: everyone's gonna find a thing they like and use it, and sometims the thing they like is different, so both people get the thing they like

>>5255231
>manual clean-ups are a must however, but still it cuts down a lot of work for a decent result
Exactomundo!

>>5253807
would you import all of the MM6 in there?

>>5254560
Only found two. The one in the garden with the strange blocks, and the free falling one.

>>5253807
You better have a dedicated kick button there.

>>5255313
It's an M&M rpg, not Dark Messiah of M&M

Never b4 tried any older shooters and damn, for what it is Doom is mighty fun.
Some cool ideas that made it into modern shooters like pressing that one button will flood the room with pinkies and imps, enemies that not only open doors but bitches straight teleporting right after you and even search for you when you get out of sight.
Last map of first episode is in the shape of an electric guitar.
For a very early 3D shooter that throws dozens of enemies at you, enemies selection is not random and makes you really chose your weapons and the way to approach stuff.
Zooming with shotgun and punching enemies I can certainly see where did "Rip and Tear" meme come from.
Music is fucking awesome as well, downloaded Roland SC55 pack for my first playthrough and damn, stuff is rocking.

You guys thing I should continue playing pretty much vanilla doom or after tasting first ep might as well go with project brutality for extra fun or at least enable mouse aim?

>>5255404
>I can certainly see where did "Rip and Tear" meme come from.
It's word for word taken from the doom comic.

>>5255404
You could go for mouse aiming (turn off auto-aim while you do, because they sort of clash, IMO). Save mods for Doom 2 and Final Doom

If you want a fancier looking Doom, there's always Smooth Doom. Consider this also.

>>5254570
I sure did

>>5255423
>Save mods for Doom 2 and Final Doom
Make that just Final Doom actually, because Doom 2 introduces new enemies which change the gameplay a lot.
Doom 2 is a much more mixed bag than the first game when it comes to level design, however, so if you feel the levels really start to drag and you're not enjoying them anymore, don't force yourself to finish it.

Anyway, suggestions for if you just want some more fidelity/eyecandy:
>run in OpenGL mode
>turn off texture filtering (see last .webm)
>enable brightmaps
>enable bloom (it's subtle, but it looks nice with really bright lights)
>possibly Smooth Doom, and maybe Tilt++
>NashGore if you want the exaggerated blood

>>5255418
Running around punching imps, I felt pretty badass, especially when they either fall back with blood shooting out of their mouths or just explode.

>>5255423
>webm.
Pretty much how I played it, I enjoy flat shaded pixelated look the most.

Btw is it me or does Quake feels a lot like doom thematically wise.
Alien/demon marines, mix of flesh and tech, enemies which teleports to army base which you have to clear and dimensional travelling to the enemy's backyard?
I havent played Quake further than first few levels and only tried Q2 but that how it felt.
Q1 have awesome enemy design, all those shamblers that straight up demons, floating fleshy things or jumping bitches with claws instead of hands (like demon skeletons out of Serious Sam) dude with chainsaw and grenade launcher, I mean Quake feels like Doom a lot.

>>5255448
Yeah, funny story about that, Quake was originally going to be an open-world, free roaming fantasy RPG, but development stalled and eventually it was settled to just take the assets they had and develop a shooter kind of like Doom (something they knew in and out and could get done fairly quick if they incorporated the medieval fantasy assets into it), just to have a game ready for their deadline, the sentiment being "Let's just get this done, we'll do something different with our next game."

The development of Quake was delayed, yet rushed, and a gigantic compromise, and still it managed to come out as something very good.
In a way, the weird development contributes to what makes it good, the game's environments and the setting is just kind of weird and a little disjointed, which is well suitable for the gothic horror stylings it has.
On the other hand, this is the reason the game also doesn't really have any proper bossfights after Cthon, just tossing some Shamblers and Vores at you here and there, finally having you telefrag Shub Nigurath at the end.

Usually when a game has a horrible development cycle and gets rendered down into a compromise, the results can be pretty bad, so I think it says a lot about the talent of the people involved with Quake.

>>5255437
what's the best way to combine nashgore with a gib mod? Results i got were meh

>>5255479
you know how well made Q1 textures were when you look at the stone granite walls

>>5255486
There's a reason people use Quake textures a lot in megawads.

>>5255492
speaking of that
>https://www.quaddicted.com/webarchive/kell.quaddicted.com/r3_128srqw.gif

>>5254768
Well then, the next time you try Doom 2, why not just start from the map right after the Refueling Base?

>>5255507
and one interesting tidbit which still makes me believe that TOPAZ was really testing their AI on Quake stuff.
>https://imgur.com/a/5qIggNY
it gives 3 types of detailing, with strong being the cleaner one, while none gives a old and damaged look

what's the best shadow warrior source port? SWP, JFSW or classic redux?

>>5254525
>>5255313
>>5255318
>It's an M&M rpg, not Dark Messiah of M&M
I am aiming at making it more "action" with some rpg elements which would fit well in the concept, however there is no intention to get all the original d'n'd stuff in there. So it can be said that the approach somewhat resembles Dark Messiah, but its just "somewhat". There is a possibility of such things like kick buttons being added in future, but not now, since I want to polish the base and then expand. The concept is not on the paper so everything is a subject to change and features are being added on the go.
>>5255252
Hopefully, it is easy to do, but will add quite a lot of weight to the package size, so for now it is not a highest priority.