/vr/ - Retro Games

AI is going to make remasters/HD versions an automated process

The idea is great. This particular execution of it though, meh.

>>5230328
Nice

Well it can't do worse than what modders are currently doing.

>>5230343

>>5230316
You could have do this with waifu 2x long ago.

>>5230358
that just looks like a 2xSAI filter though

>>5230316
Just getting this out of the way.

>>5230358
Except that's a scaling filter and looks fucking awful. Makes everything look like a painting.

doom sprite with ESRGAN

>>5230384
That's actually quite convincing. Can't wait to see the end result in games.

>>5230392
iirc in dooms case the final output is heavily touched up by hand after the AI upscaling

>>5230372
You're saying painting like it's something bad.

final fantasy VII in 4k, automated

>>5230401
Is there a higher res image of this?

>>5230401

>>5230397
yes because the game isn't supposed to look like a painting and it just looks goofy

>>5230397
You don't want everything to look like a painting, for example things that are not supposed to be paintings.

>>5230404

>>5230405
Now instead of everything looking like a painting, everything looks like leather.

4x of original

>>5230409
Dunno. Kinda easier for your brain to fill in the lack of detail than to ignore the strange texture.

>>5230419
There are better architectures for GAN. It will be possible to fix all of those oddities and make the style match soon.

>>5230406
That's different algorithm.

>>5230316
doesn't exactly look 4k but impressive none the less

>>5230316
Not bad, but too noisy. Looks like they upscaled it, printed it, then scanned it back in. But >>5230328 isn't half bad, with some extra touch ups, mostly to the Daedric font, it could be great.
>>5230409
>>5230418
>>5230421
Fuck, for that matter, it wouldn't even be that much of a stretch to manually fix these up. Makes me wonder how Resident Evil 1-3's backgrounds would do with this.

>>5230516

>>5230316
A step in the right direction, but you can't magically create accurate information from noting. It will always take artists. Right now it fills some areas with undesirable nonsense and too much noise.

interested in seeing fallout sprites touched up

>>5230384
>>5230316
Seems like some Doomlets are dumb as a rock

>>5230316
Hey that's nice, another skillset replaced by automation.

>>5230316

Where can I get this ESRGAN?

>>5230574
https://kingdomakrillic.tumblr.com/post/178254875891/i-figured-out-how-to-get-esrgan-running-on

ff9 background

https://i.4cdn.org/v/1545176658840.jpg

>>5230613
That's not FF9 that's 7.

Sorry man, it looks bad. What is with that weird texture it puts over everything?

top right is original

It seems like half of these look perfectly natural and the other half look like complete shit

>>5230618
the link at bottom of post is to an image too large for vr

>>5230632
>>5230646
It needs more training and more iterations to go through. You also need to do some touch ups / cleaning by hand, it's not fucking magic or something, but it's faster than doing everything from scratch.

>>5230613
LOOKIN GOOD

>>5230659
I understand that. But on some of these, manually touching up would seem to be a hell of a lot of work.

>>5230670
Photo work is like kid stuff to professional fx artists

AI enhanced

>>5230679
original sprite it was created from

>>5230409
>>5230418
These two are very impressive. Damn.

Can somebody take a screenshot of the first level of Donkey Kong Country and run it through this?

>>5230683
Yeah, the thing is you could get those type of results on every image with just a better GAN. It's not a huge leap to doing so either.

This isn't close to the "best" way of doing this but it needs more attention from people to start having impact on retro games.

>>5230316
Yay, finally we can have Fallout 1 in 1080p in the original interface where you can't see 10m in front of you and you have to walk across every square meter of the map to figure out where things are
Pretty good algorithm though.

>>5230316
>>5230589
Thanks, got it working. It's really good to give you a base when you upscale artwork, but the output still needs extensive adjustments by hand, i.e. painting all the errors and artifacts out and correcting what the algorithm got wrong.

640x400 original

but i like my games blurry

besides, I don't care how high res your textures are, they gonna look ass on a 200 polygon character with clunky animation

>>5230835
properly done upscale via AI, no artistic touch all algorithms/AI

>>5230843
Uh, I still see A LOT of potential for adjustments and touchups.

>>5230849
I meant nothing was hand touched

not that nothing could be improved

Also economics matter. A "free" upscale is very different than something requiring human work in terms of applications.

>>5230843

1. haloing here and there and everywhere
2. introduces some weird noise patterns

What's the point if it looks like hot garbage?

>>5230856
this one worked pretty good

THE LINK NOT IMAGE POSTED
https://i.4cdn.org/v/1545220469360.jpg

His skin looks like a basketball. Pretty shitty results

>>5230836
This. What’s the point of adding HD textures to a model made of seven doritos

>>5230316
>Can be used for any game
Wow, even Adventure on the Atari 2600?

>>5230924
>>5230924

>>5230898
Now it just looks like something from Monkey Island

some of these look really fucking good
the others look like a Photoshop filter

>>5230526
BY THE DEATH!

>>5230932
O-ok...that still doesn’t address the issue of an HD texture being applied to extremely low-poly models. HD textures floating in a black void isn’t how 3D games are rendered

>>5230953
The point was it will eventually improve the mesh as well.

It is pretty impressive but it's only really useful if the original textures are shit to begin with

>>5230971
more like a decade away, would have to re-render a game in real-time to do the mesh.

Someone do this with SOTN or Aria of Sorrow.

>>5230358

>>5230316
I would much rather use the mods to get better heads bodies than try to polish up the original horrible body/face textures, on the original horrible body/head models.

>>5230397
For the context? Yes, that shit would look fucking awful in Morrowind.

AI artist enhanced this FF7 background

>>5230384
That actually doesn't look that bad. I still very much prefer the low res crunchiness of the original textures and sprites though.

>needing artists anymore

The AI ARTIST is a MASTER

here is original

>>5230563
I think he's referencing that people have used algorithms and filters before and the results have always been atrocious.
Not to talk about the big stack of abandoned HiRes projects which all looked terrible at every stage.

Give me Super Mario RPG or give me death

>>5231106
yeah people don't understand the advantage of AI

This isn't a half baked HD project requiring 3 years of effort.

This is a functional tool that is getting better and better. Once it is good it can be used on every single game pretty much and achieve similar results on all of them.

People are so used to human work that they don't understand the scale advantage of an AI process. Generative / Synthetic content is a huge holy grail for video games, retro or not.

y'all blind, looks like shit

>>5231113
You can tell who is and isn't an artist in this thread, no rational person whose ever worked in photoshop would tell you that isn't at least a better starting point for repainting higher-res textures. Sure there is a problem in the OPs image with the texture on the skin looking a bit like a carpet weave but that can all be polished alot faster and easier than having to go in and create a round eyeball from a few pixellated squares for instance.

>>5231091
Still needs tons of touchup and corrections, don't kid yourself

does anyone here wants to try this with quake 2 Skyboxes?

>>5231180
I'd rather play FFVII with those upscaled backgrounds than vanilla

>>5231201
it begs me to wonder, how advanced the FFVII modding community is.

RE2 and 3 still needs the Sourcenext versions since its better for modding

>>5231201

>>5231180
That may be, but this is a great start. Saves a lot of effort in the broad strokes.
And there's no telling how much better these AIs will get. They could top out here, or get much much better. Even if they don't progress in their current form, what's been learned from making them will be used in the next generation, and so forth...

>>5230405
Terrible example.

>>5231212
Cringe

>>5231235
Truth

Some of these textures look good in isolation but they all look awful in game.

about the only game I can think of that hi res textures could work in is MegaMan Legends and that game doesn't really need a facelift.

>>5231279
I disagree. Most of the environment textures look good. The only ones that fail hard are some of the face textures because the uvs stretch more pixels across more screen space that was less noticeable when the texel density was lower.

>>5230932
Imagine a point in the future where we can neural interface with a computer and dump the contents of our brain at the point of death so that we may live on as a computer generated 3D avatar created from the scan of a family photograph.

That’s some real cyberpunk shit, I wonder if it could ever happen?

>>5231094
AI will surpass mankind in every possible way creatively once it has rid itself, and the world, of jewish presence and influence.

Allright, could someone tell me how do i make this work, i want to test with some stuff

https://kingdomakrillic.tumblr.com/post/178254875891/i-figured-out-how-to-get-esrgan-running-on

Also I ran the cat through without interpolation
Not a good idea to be honest

>>5231478

>>5231478
>autism
you still need to correct the details
this would be great for stuff like RE games, 3d fps shooters and such with modding capabilities

>brainlets talk about overlord ais
>while showing the results of a 2d cartesian plane

it's basically an excel spreadsheet, nippas. Basic calculators can do the same thing. Talk to me when computers learn how to love a human beign so I can finally understand how it feels to be loved by someone else.

>>5231091
fucking comfy/10

>>5231010
None of this would have to be done in real-time; one monkey and a computer can do it then upload it for everyone else to use. Keep in mind you're also looking at a 3D model with textures being lifted from a 2D image (or maybe more than one, but nonetheless still 2D).

>>5231761
emulators would have to add in support for it.

>>5231795
I don't want to talk out of my ass, but couldn't games that are already hackable be fixed? It's not like you can't find a few thousand shitty Youtube videos of shitty hi-res packs in emulated games (though I don't know what limitations might be head if models are changed drastically). Anyways, this stuff can all be done in advance so long as you can get the game to be read by an emulator. You're not going to run into as many hardware restrictions with an emulator.

>>5231761
>>5231806
Yeah, this couldn't be done on-the-fly like with some other form of filters etc. This would need to be done by a developer with access to the source code at the very least since the games themselves don't support textures this large anyway.

>>5231706
I love you, Anon.

>>5231880
Would an emulator be able to enable them?

Just 2xing every coordinate or whatever

>>5231904
It would be running an AI controlled filter over every single frame in real time. It's theoretically possible but it would be tough to actually implement. The normal filters in use nowadays require next to no intelligence or processing power to achieve compared to this.

>>5231478

Better version. The compression in the original pic ruins it a bit.

>>5231943

Original at 4xNN for comparison

>>5231924
I meant with 2x scaled up sprites on everything not realtime. It'd have to double any drawing calls.

>>5231959
>>5231943
Interesting, but still not very visually appealing.

FFVIII

1

>>5230731
this

2

Fallout Mods when?

3

4

5

6

7

sand looks bad here

8

this one shows well the limits of this tool so far, pretty bad result

9 and last

this one looks good in isolation as a painting-like image, but would look bad in game.

In a way, it is its own art style, but another thing it is doing is getting the artist close to complete with an upscaling. Some of the "sand" doesn't look like sand, or could with some touch up. Some face texture OP posted are also pretty good, but there does need to be some more clarity in places. Some hard lines need to be more clear where lips meet and the nose, and the eyebrows could look like hair at that resolution. It looks like it would make a nice skin texture overall however.

>AI created

holy fuck when will this meme die

How the hell did that Doom modder pull it off? I've tried several times to upscale Doom sprites with neural networks and it always came out like shit. Even Let's Enhance, which is a paid service, just looks like somebody scanned a 20 year old Doom preview in a game magazine. https://imgur.com/a/9wc7Ol3

>>5232126
>https://imgur.com/a/9wc7Ol3
>>5232124
>>5232123
>>5232121
>>5232120
>>5232117
>>5232114
>>5232110
>>5232105

None of these look like something I would want my name associated with

>>5232621

>>5233403
You honestly think that look good?

>>5233428
looks like the gan or whatever got tricked by the metal texture into thinking it was supposed to draw something sci-fi/futuristic. hence the fuckin daft punk helmet lol
Isn't it called no free lunch or something where, when you find your super-res algorithm that works amazingly on one game, it's gonna look like garbage on the next game

>>5233403
The original is clearly a 3D model render, why not just re-render it in HD using tech such as RenderMan?
Update the models to be slightly more detailed in geometry, then add shaders for hair and metal.
It would make the hair look amazing on the horse and helmet, and no doubt the metal armor and shield would look really great too.

>>5233451
The original sources/models for the sprites were done in 3D Studio Max, but yeah... you really think that 99% of companies that do remasters care that much so that they go through all this?

>>5233403
looks cool except for the horses legs.

>>5230405
This reminds me of one of those shaders I played around with on epsxe like a decade ago.

>>5233468
It just seems no more complex that one could just pay a code bounty commission for someone to make a script that automates either:
- Opening all the old 3DS Max projects
- Re-rendering them in 3DS Max at high res + framerate
or
- Exporting all the old projects to the appropriate format for RenderMan; auto-assigning metal, fabric and hair materials as needed.
- Re-rendering them in RenderMan at high res + framerate

Sure one might have to open the RenderMan projects before the final step and adjust some of the materials, eg. hair, but it still seems like far less work than running the old renders through AI and then having outputted images that require a large amount of additional manual work to be done.

There's a video somewhere showing Pixar using RenderMan to adjust hair/fur on characters, it takes them a couple of seconds to get a result that looks ready for a movie.

>>5232123
sand looks like a mass of briars over sand, the AI exaggerated the craggy/cracked texture completely

>>5230638
Same algorithm or is this waifu2x or something

>>5231093
Cringe

Started training it on the Manga109 dataset: http://www.manga109.org/en/

Don't use it. Some random images were greyscale-only and ESRGAN needed RGB images. I had to split them into 128x128 tiles and cut down the batch size to get it all to fit in my 6GB card. No clue if it's possible to train on Windows.

post something and I'll memeGAN it.

>>5234946
Here. Would be incredible if it spits out something halfway decent like other pre-rendered backgrounds posted. But I suppose I shouldn't hold my breath.

>>5235024
It's not a huge fan of text but with minimal retouching this would be somewhat doable.

>>5230343
SOMEONE DO THIS

>>5234946

>>5230343
>>5235054
now in 6k.
https://my.mixtape.moe/ufupzw.jpg

>>5235076
bad image, also doesnt' really like overly sprited things.

>>5234837

I thought it was gonna take days to train, but this took 90 minutes. Maybe it does need that time to bring out more detail, but I like the subtle approach. I'm gonna let it do its thing overnight and release the model when it's done.

>>5235172

For comparison, left is the default PSNR network, right is the default ESRGAN network at 0.8 interpolation.

How well would this work with Diablo 2?

>>5235187

I've tried it a few times, biggest issues are hard, pixel perfect edges and preserving the clean, straight lines. Pic related's from Let's Enhance, which uses their own variation of SRGAN.

>>5235205
soul vs soulless
>>5235187
Post some textures and lets see. Images like this aren't great because they're highly pixelated due to being ingame screenshots rather than actual textures.

>>5235036
Thanks anon. I'm surprised at that, it's actually super impressive and even factoring in retouching it, this would be a major time and effort save compared to trying to upscale these from scratch.
>>5235205
This kind of looks like a higher resolution render printed in a magazine and scanned back in. Interesting.

Just stop. Every sample posted here looks like shit.

>>5235093
>bad image, also doesnt' really like overly sprited things.
Fuck you then, asswipe.

>>5230405
icky, then again so is this

>>5235449
sorry anon-kyun, here I did this background from street fighter to show you how ugly it makes sprites. Waifu would probably have a bit of an easier time guess but it'll look shit whatever you do because it was made with sprites.
https://my.mixtape.moe/fohvbn.jpg

>>5233403

>>5230316
Is there an online website that can convert the images (like waifu) or does it need to be done via a downloadable program?

I've been working on making hd textures for ffxi and having tried most of these upscaling programs I have to say the results are rarely very good.

At best they are stage one in a process, if you care about the results you still usually have to touch the textures up afterwards manually.

94 epochs later, it stopped because I ran out of hard drive space from all the models it saved.

It's a step up from the PSNR network it initialized from, but someone could do a better job if they knew how to tweak the GAN settings.

>>5236094

Let's Enhance, but you only get the 5 free images before it makes you charge. You can just use different email addresses

>>5236103

Consistency is a big problem with thes, there's nothing that makes 100% of the images look better.

>>5236105
holy shit what game

>>5236113

Chrono Cross, original image is here.

>>5235396
I think you need to look at this as a process, if people remain engaged it will get better.

To get to a ferrari you had to have a guy making a cart with square wheels first.

>>5230526

Oh my God, can we use this as an emulator filter? You've finally turned me off nearest neighbour.

>>5230679

Ew. Never mind what I said about emulation filters.

How is it with 2D sprites?

>>5230316
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PupePmY9OA8

Looks kind of uneven. I'm sure the AI could be improved, though.

>>5236105

http://www.mediafire.com/file/w3jujtm752hvdj1/Manga109Attempt.pth.zip/file

It's possible that the dataset didn't matter because I badly screwed up the GAN settings. But >decent results are >decent results, I guess.

You can interpolate it with the existing networks, just modify net_interp.py.

Is there a reddit community or something where people working on this kind of stuff discuss it?

>>5236142

No good. Which makes sense, as it needs high res images to compare its upscales to and there's no high res images of pixel art. Backgrounds sometimes turn out alright.

>>5236328

There's /r/gameupscale but it's not very active.

I searched online and found threads about it on RPGCodex and ResetEra.

>>5236378

>>5236378

>>5235205
Ooh I like that one. Diablo 2 deserves an HD update while preserving its artstyle. I can see a bit of an issue with the shadows of the candles though. They get wider and more blobby on top while the original is trying to convey the tip of the candle casting a shadow over its holder. Also the shaft of the bottom one is being absorbed by the base of the top one

This has a lot of potential, and I say that as someone who prefers original graphics to stuff like this.

>>5236549

Gave the manga109 model a shot and it turned out better compared to PSNR_x4 and ESRGAN_x4, though an attempt at >>5235205 looked like ass, probably because it was a GIF frame.

High res backgrounds don't mean much without high res characters, though.

>>5236328
>>5236378
https://kingdomakrillic.tumblr.com/post/178254875891/i-figured-out-how-to-get-esrgan-and-sftgan

This is a guide for getting it to run on Windows. Haven't tried it, myself.

>>5230316
just in case anyone doesn't realise, if you displayed any of these low res textures on a crt screen, they would look as good or better than the interpolations. If you simply squint your eyes at, for example the left of >>5233403 you can start to see the way it would be smoothed out by the bloom of crt phosphors (your brain fills in correct interpolations better than the gan. i.e. it's a knight with a helmet made of a single curved piece of metal with a hole in the front. squint you can see it. you can also see the hair in the horses tail. not the abominations by the gan) the difference is the CRT phosphors give it much more life by having 100x the contrast of whatever you're looking at this on. the highlights of the metal would really glare your eyes, etc. the look of living

God damn, these are beautiful.

>>5230316
I hope someone will use this tech on AM2R

All of this is great and all, but what about Quake? Does it even work with it?

Holy cow.. imagine the old xcom series...

Oh man, you have to do some Resident Evil 2 backgrounds with this shit.

Still trying to convince yourself(and others) that all this shit look passable in any way?

>>5237561
Probably with the skyboxes, I don't see the point in enhancing those textures.

>>5237643
Looks better then all the other filters available, so yeah. Why are you so angry about this?

>>5237561

Couldn't find any Quake models online, so I grabbed a Quake 2 model from models-resource.

I used SFT-GAN over ESRGAN as it does somewhat better with game textures (despite being trained on outdoor photos, I wonder why).

>>5237678
The gun-arm is objectively the best result of it, hands down. The way the transition from flesh to rifle looks is unbelievable.

>>5232604
he made retouches later on and he's also a beta tester on the Nvidia Gameworks AI project

>>5237678
just Open the pak files with PAK Explorer and extract all of the monster and player PCX files
Then convert all of them to TGA format since quake reads it as high res GL textures
>https://www.mediafire.com/file/g0hmf95k9qda8ml/monsters.7z/file

fortunately i still have the Quake2Evolved stuff, it works with Yamagi, Kmq2 and quake2XP

>>5237780
try to run sftgan in all of them, and put into baseq2/models/monsters

>>523764
one guy on the /v/ thread tried to run the q2 env skyboxes to test it as a request, but the results were iffy since the TGA skyboxes are ugly
in my personal opinion the pcx ones(software mode skybox) would look better, but then he used ESRGAN

>>5237790
meant to quote >>5237561

>>5237790
meant to quote >>5237646

>>5237790
>>5237780

I'm gonna try training a couple of new networks first, one on game textures and another on CG images, mostly from movies.

>>5237835
can you test it 1st on this one

>>5237780
An attempt was made

>>5237842

>>5237842
Upscaled

enhanced
https://my.mixtape.moe/iwzzsw.jpeg

enhance+color
https://my.mixtape.moe/qzjyvg.jpeg

>>5237858
tested with the enhance + color, had to convert the image on GIMP to TGA and well shit!

before
https://i.imgur.com/Lt28BHH.jpg

>>5237891
If you can give me a batch of just textures I can probably go through them all

>>5237858

What exactly did you use to pull that off? It looks much better than my stock SFTGAN attempt.

>>5237895
memeGAN
sorry not public just yet, although training ESR with a larger and more varied set would most likely have similar if not better results to this spaghetti messOr just wait a few months for NVIDIA to release theirs

>>5237891
>>5237894
Also TGA is fine just preferably a single directory with just the base textures

>>5237894
use the monster pack >>5237780
i'll try to get those tomorrow once i wake up

>>5237902
its mostly because quake 2 supports both formats, pcx for low resolution stock 8bit textures, and TGA for higher resolution if you use Open GL.
Modern ports has no shit with texture size limit if using TGA

>>5236137
I would assume the actual calculations are far too intense to use in real-time. You could certainly slam the textures through the converter beforehand and load them in place of the originals with an emulator that supported texture replacement, however. Or just replace them directly, in the case of PC games.

>>5230553
It's a much better base for artists to go over, though. It means there's a lot less work for them to do in cleaning it up. It's a tool, not the entire toolbox.

>>5237906
Done, did every file so it will most likely look hideous ingame. Also no idea if I did the TGA's right. Slight issue is that the entire thing is 311mb.

Also did no touchups/further enhancing because lazy.

https://mega.nz/#!Ok0B3I6Q!6YUFSffRnx-iBuxrtu_E3_9E4JXVj3AM0pZTholXv-4

may or may not have forgotten to press submit, woops

>>5238005
Ya, converting beforehand is a much better idea, especially considering how fucked some of the results can look some of the time, even with the fastest implementation possible it'll still take a second or two to do each texture.

>>5238007
This.

>>5236437
Fuckin kek m8

I keep getting this stupid memory allocation error when in the the test.py is set to 'cuda' mode, and trying to upscale anything over ~800x600 or so.

I'm using a GTX 1080Ti, which has 11GB memory.

Anyone know how to set a limit to the GPU mem it uses? Thanks.

I keep getting this stupid memory allocation error when the test.py is set to 'cuda' mode, and trying to upscale anything over ~800x600 or so.

I'm using a GTX 1080Ti, which has 11GB memory.

Anyone know how to set a limit to the GPU mem it uses? Thanks.

>>5230405
That's a lotta squares dawg

Can you try with Ecstatica?

>>5238271
Probably too pixely to go based off screenshots that are probably not native res, do you have any in-game textures? Tried it with this one from the wiki at 2x but the result is... less than great with the current model. Someone should make one trained off pixel-y stuff, although that sounds like a bit of a nightmare to get right.

>>5230358
>unironically suggesting the use of a vaseline filter

>>5238294
God, I forgot how hideous that game was.

>>5238294
Loved both, great games

I'd like to see what it can do for RE4. Those HD texture people have been working on that project for how many years?
>>5237891
Iron Maiden next?

>>5237894
Q2 uses WAL format for map textures, someone at tastyspleen may know how to deal with that
as for the rest, its just pcx files, besides the skyboxes

>>5238851
look >>5238020 the pack needs some adjustments, it works on yamagi and q2xp, but Q2 models are still Q2 models, someone needs to add more polygons into them
only the Skin and pain needs adjustments, infact i think that resizing, filtering and then passing through the AI, would give a better result as >>5237678 pic

>>5237858
here's Ground zero weapon textures
>http://www.mediafire.com/file/m8hy9oibaqv0bmc/rogue.7z/file

>>5230316
>entire thread

>>5231091
>that woodgrain TV screen

>>5231109
bumping this

>>5238901
>>>/r/eddit

>>5238901

So where do we go from here, as far as improving the AI itself?

>>5238974
teach itto recognise context better

>>5238974

There's new SR methods coming out every week, though a lot of them are focused on medical imaging.

https://arxiv.org/list/cs.CV/recent

https://www.google.com/search?q="super+resolution"+site:arxiv.org

>>5238974
Delete this shit and do it like everyone else does, by hand, you lazy c*nt.

>>5238974
all of them will be kinda obsolete once Nvidia gameworks comes out in 2019
and its not shilling

>>5239103
>wanting stuff made by hand
>https://www.moddb.com/mods/quake-2-monster-skins
you should think 50 times before spewing shit anon

>>5239159
quake 2 needs a model revamp asap

>>5239159
If you are unwilling to invest work into something that is near and to you then just stop and go sit in the corner. Others can't help you and machines are still too "stupid" to replace artists in that field.

Command and conquer red alert 2 please please please, or aoe 2? Omg that would be sweet

>>5238934

>>5239103
You can swear on 4chan, faggot.
Also inherently, just manually painting up high res sprites, or trying to repaint low res ones as such, is not just labor intensive, but very few people are able to actually do it.

>>5239326
So instead you shit everything up by automation, untalented lazy cunt

>>5239405
i'd like to see you do any better, untalented lazy cunt

>>5239405
I never spoke in favor of it, I think this looks ugly as shit, you cocksucking catamite. I only explained the motive.

You really need touch-ups and that Nvidia AI neural shit for this. Way too much grain and wood splattering over everything in this thread.

>>5236209
That's not half bad. A skosh noisy.

>>5239414
I would never try to make a HD pack for old games in the first place, it's pointless you cuckjuggler

>>5239416
Suck my ass faggot

tffff I'm creaming in me pants right now! Is this the final blow to the (((modern))) gaming industry and the indiecuckery?

>>5239663
Please piss off. This is a meme and right now some kids on /vr/ and /3/ get delusions of grandeur, thinking they can "remaster" old games by simply shitting low resolution images through an upscaler.

>>5239660
Jump up your mom's asshole.

>>5239663
Hah! As if.

>>5239678
It's a good start for a lot of projects. A lot of attempts are lost causes, but a neural upscale could cover the tedious parts of painting over a lower res image. And in some cases it does really well on it's own with minimal touch ups.

All of it is pointless if the games don't have a way to mod the new graphics into the game though. Modern source port or hack of some sort.

>>5239663
>>5239678
>two trolls arguing because theyre too stupid to realize theyre both trolling from different angles
>letthemfight.jpg
these results are seriously impressive and would look great with some manual touch ups

>>5230372
>that's a scaling filter
Both Waifu2x and ESRGAN are neural network filters. Waifu2x isn't a classic scaler like SAI or hq2x. It's definitely smarter, just compare this. I deliberately didn't enable the JPEG artifact reduction for Waifu2x. The upscaled image would have looked even better if I had.

>>5240087
But hq2x still does better on sprite-based graphics with a limited palette.

>>5233627
>>5233451
That's assuming the assets aren't lost and didn't use custom plugins that would require you to recreate the exact software setup from the time to manipulate/render correctly.

>>5235036

Someone tell the Resident Evil 3 Restoration guy about this!

https://www.moddb.com/mods/resident-evil-3-restoration-project

Might even work on the cleaned up video frames.

>>5240160
it wouldn't be better if they focus on the Sourcenext version, which has already higher res videos?
also RE3/Sourcenext on PC is a clusterfuck of graphical bugs while RE2 is perfect

>>5240160
Depends on how the images are stored, I could probably shit out an upscaled version in a few hours. Videos are also doable but it depends on the framerate as to how long it'd take me.

>>5240127
Sprite-based things isn't really where GAN's shine. Granted, it'll work for certain things but you'd have an easier time just using an algo like hq2x or doing it by hand, and I don't envision that changing any time soon due to how most/all of the current systems function.

>>5240187
Woops, forgot my image, pulled off google images and then 2x'd. I can increase it more if anyone wants to see what it'd look like..

>>5240180
i seriously hope that someday, one guy will be autistic enough to fix the texture and model warping in this game, or get the code from the Gamecube version

>>5240187
Could you apply ESRGAN to this? I want to compare it to Waifu2x.

>>5238885
has someone looked at this one?
id like to test the results later

>>5240208
I don't have ESRGAN set up, I use a different thing..

Just did 5x since you didn't specify.

>>5238885
>>5240215
I'll do it in a sec if you want.

>>5240218
Thanks. I think that's somewhat worse than Waifu2x, especially the text, but still pretty good.

>>5240221
I mean, of course text is going to be bad, this isn't a font scaling system, ideally you wouldn't have the text there in the first place. Waifu2x will probably be better for most illustrated things, given that it was trained solely on illustrated things.

>>5238885
>>5240215
done, 6x in line with the monsters.
https://mega.nz/#!2wchFCwb!GpJ6eJiqn0Ts0NEI0A-9nRsTGhxtn3gXKcerqbyWs28

Results aren't fantastic, textures are a bit too pixelated.

>>5240218
can i suggest a quick test?
i had to resize this one 3x times with lancsos and bilinear

the filtered blurred version with SFTGAN had a better detailing than the ones that i sent, maybe if the textures are a bit more blurry, scaled(maybe 1.5) and filtered, the AI will try to give more detail.

>>5240208

ESRGAN + the Manga109 model. Looks about the same as Waifu2x, which makes sense as that pic is what Waifu2x is supposed to be for. desu it exposes flaws in the drawing and I'd rather keep it 480p

I trained a "Pixar" model using CGI movies and prerendered images, but it looked about the same as the manga model, so I'm moving on to game textures.

>>5239993

It'll likely do even better in the next few years. SRCNN from 4 years ago was the first deep learning SR paper, and it was primitive as fuck, doing about as well as non-deep learning scalers like A+ and dcci2x.

>>5240241
>of course text is going to be bad
Right, but I think it's pretty cool how well Waifu2x does on text despite not being trained on it. The only real requirement is that the text must be anti-aliased.

>>5240265
Nice! This is approaching poster quality.

>>5240250
Overall worse result. might work alright with other models but not with this, while some areas do look better due to being blurred to begin with, other areas look far, far worse.

>>5240265
niceu, good luck!

>>5240250
quake 2 weapon models and monsters are in desperate need of 3ds/maya/blender mesh optimization

>>5240304
Q2 can't use skeleton animation, only vertex, so it's always gonna look like trash in motion (same with Doom 3D model attempts)

>>5240664
Skeletal animation just moves vertexes based on weights. If it's saving out each vertex's location on export it'll look the same either way.
Doom 3D model attempts look bad because A) everyone who's tried fucking sucks, and B) the monster movement itself is locked to 8 directions and (by default) a low number of frames. You could add more frames, however.

>>5240751
I was talking about Quake, not Doom - It will not look like exactly same thing since during interpolation since it works differently for vertex and skeletal. In skeletal you interp some straight rigid lines that are easy to interpolate. Polygon mesh is stuck to that so things that need to be rigid will stay rigid.
Frame interpolation does not work that well with vertex animation, so it will always be wonky because each vertex is interpolated separately or in contextless lumps - without a skeleton it has no idea what's supposed to be rigid and stay together during the movement, hence the "jello wobble".

Doom supports model formats with skeletal animation, but that does not make it better in any way, since the engine itself can't treat polygonal structures any different than sprite frames, which is too limiting for models to look good. Also no proper shading.

>>5240304
Looks like trash
>>5240751
Do it better yourself

>>5240751
>Skeletal animation just moves vertexes based on weights. If it's saving out each vertex's location on export it'll look the same either way.

You clearly don't know how these methods work, do you?

>>5240751
OH NO NO NO

>>5230316
does it fix morrowinds horrible models too?

>>5239663
it can't create textures from thin air

>>5233442
Umm...you do realise that the game is set in a world where sci-fi mixes with fantasy? The Kreegans (Inferno) are literal aliens, angels are most probably highly advanced androids, there are laser guns, space ships etc. So it would not be that far fetched that the developers intentionally made the helmet somewhat futuristic looking.

>>5241796
Better Bodies and Better Heads did that like a decade ago.

>>5235036

Well, fuck, its not perfect but god damn am i impressed with this shit.

I'd love to see pre rendered background games done through this, im wondering how well games with animated pre rendered backgrounds like blade runner or fear effect would fair with this.

Some of the backgrounds in REmake could do with this treatment too.

>>5237678

Holy fucking shit.

>>5230731
>>5232107
>Fallout 1
Is this already possible? Or how was the picture made?

>>5243361
For animation you obviously would have to do some touching up afterwards or it will look like shit.

>>5243484
that's just an HD mod that increases the view area, pixel-size of everything stays the same so at 1080p it's all fucking tiny.

>>5236624
>>5235205
these look the most impressive.
However for it to actually work in game the algorithm would have to be taught to preserve the palette without adding any extra colors for the cases where the software-side paletteswaps were used (and they were used for quite a few enemies/decorations)

>>5243848
is that hard to open the MPQ files and recplace it with hd stuff

or blizzard was lazy enough for not adding scaling?

>>5243870
>lazy
why add it when there was no plan to use it?

>>5243884
well because you can replace sprites with in starcraft

in fact Remastered is just a paid mod with fancy HD textures

>>5230835
>>5230843
using a different model
https://kingdomakrillic.tumblr.com/post/181294654011/new-esrgan-model-attempt

>>5236105
>You can just use different email addresses
it blocks disposable adresses tho

>>5243918
oh nvm didnt read till the end of the thrad

>>5243870
MPQ uses one same palette-coded sprite for several things/enemies.
In Diablo 1 some walls in special rooms are colored - like red brickwall set in the pics above is exactly same game file as blue brickwall. The game is just told to substitute one array of colors with another on the fly, which is not hard to do at all processing-wise. This saves both hard drive and RAM space, both of which were not cheap at the time (I first played Diablo 1 on a PC that had just 2 gigs of storage). Some enemy variants use the same technique to prouce variation.
This is called optimisation, an art lost to the modern developers.

Another example: in Diablo 2 all armor is composite of 8 pieces (different sprites for legs, pants, body, separate arms, separate pauldrons, gloves and a head) , each of which can be plate, mail or leather. The material determines the leather/mail/plate sprite combinations of which there are quite a lot, and magical properties combined with tier determine exact palette combinations used for each piece - this results in an amazing variety of possible combinations, while having few completely unique sprites.

The algorithm most probably wouldnt even be able to process the encoded image since it most probably uses basic color combinations to show the palettization - like using green, purple, blue, red etc to denote differently shaded areas of a sprite. Doing it straight would result in a garbled mess. One would have to palettize the image before presenting it to the algorithm, then run it backwards through the color-coding process again to get the actual result.

>>5243918
A composite of both would probably be the best. Some parts are better one one, while others on the second

>>5243979
This. There's no free lunch with this shit, you have to put in work and effort at some point.

Trying to train it on reduced colors by limited all the LR tiles to 32 colors. That still might be too much, and JPG compression added a small amount of noise back (can't use PNGs with my workflow).

In order: LR image, 8192 iterations (2 hours in), ground truth.

>>5244971

The color banding's gone, which no other model I've trained could remove, but the sharpening is not consistent. I don't know if it needs more training, a different dataset (I used the General100 dataset the ESRGAN guy uploaded) or different settings (in which case I'm SOL)

>>5230343
first legit lol of the evening
have a (you)

>>5230384
I want AI nightmare texturing.

>>5240192
>JAPANIES

>>5230898
Looks like a camera filter in my old Motorola flip phone from 2006

>>5230367

I have to wonder if it's possible to completely redo the GC ports of RE2 and 3 using this method.

>>5245486

There's PC ports, and those are what you'd use instead. Native Wndows programs are better than weird programs on consoles.

The backgrounds are 640x480, so they'd upscale well with this method.

>>5245486

https://www.moddb.com/mods/resident-evil-3-restoration-project

They still just need some decent programmers it seems.

>>5230856
>MUH COLOR NOISE
It's meant to replicate film grain you dumb-dumb.

>>5245720
Cope. It just looks like shit.

>>5244971

Reduced it to 16 colors and used the OG ESRGAN model to initialize from instead of the PSNR model, because my first attempt looked like blurry shit. This is not the christmas present I wanted to wake up to.

>>5245720
I'll never understand why people want to replicate defects. This is the worst form of baby duck to me. It's borderline objective, it's less random artifacts. It's like taking a painting and throwing sand over it. It doesn't add anything but garbage over the image.

>>5245519
Peixoto's dickery was bullshit

>>5245519
>no description of what they need
>you can apply via private message
It's no wonder they're not getting any help.
They should have listed what specifically they need. You can't just say "programming" and be done with it, be descriptive.

Do they need tools made, formats reverse engineered, engine hacks. What languages? It's all too vague.

>>5245720
That doesn't look like film-grain at all. Have you seen a film with grain to it before?

>>5246253
I can see film grain (which that doesn't look like), and maybe sometimes lensflares, but generally I absolutely hate shit such as chromatic aberration, which isn't like a potentially valid stylistic choice like a lensflare, or just the limitations of the time such as grain (potentially one could be trying to make a callback to film of that era), but chromatic aberration just replicates a flawed film lens, or having fucking bad vision.

Chromatic aberration is what someone with astigmatism will see, and they will get glasses so they don't, why someone would intentionally apply that effect to their work when it's objectively bad and ugly, bewilders me. I'd almost say it should be illegal.

>>5240265
Can someone try training it on Danbooru2017?
https://www.gwern.net/Danbooru2017

>>5240198
>PGXP

>>5246981
>PGXP
I SAID PC

>>5231395
it will. and when it will happen, we will see the biggest mass suicide that has ever happened in the history of man.

>>5240198
Hardcoded into engine, can't be done on PC, requires a wrapper/injector for engine with no known source code.
Hardware-sided on PSX, can be fixed on machine that emulates hardware by altering how it emulates..

>>5247007
>>5247029

>>5247029
That was fixed on the RE2CLASIC mod for Sourcenext RE2, and even RE1, but they are hesitant to do the same for RE3

why does people at the RE community hates RE3?

>not playing the games as they were originally intended to be played

You should all be ashamed for hyping up this janky shit.
I bet you listen to audiobooks, red colored manga and get the latest color graded bluray of movies that weren't color graded back in the day.

>>5247042
No, I generally find this stuff ugly.
I do however use VHS tapes as target practice.

>>5247042
>baiting

>>5240221
You can already have ONScripter display fonts at a higher resolution, and even have them scroll into place at 120FPS. It's a pretty damn nice engine for VNs. Simple as heck and scales well.
This is an example of just scaling fonts to 1080p. Which removes the largest issue in the way for that in particular.

As for replacing textures, it is pretty simple. But I've never tried higher scaled ones. Might take some reconfiguring. Though certainly feasible.

Will we finally learn what it says through the power of AI??

>>5247223
You can't magically create missing data from nothing, only generate new like edge information, noise, patterns etc.

>>5247232
You can keep telling them that, but they'll never learn what you're trying to say.

>>5247232
Will we finally learn the truth behind Polybius through the power of AI???

Nvidia Gameworks dude, if you want to give it a try
>https://www.mediafire.com/file/z3qc23xa31yiesl/Quake2models.7z/file
it has all 3 xpacs

Is anybody making half life upscaled pack?

>>5247042
>I bet you listen to audiobooks
Yeah, it's easier than trying to read a book while running the machines at work.

>>5237678
cool!

I think I'm screwing up somewhere, because all the models I've trained look exactly like each other, and yet nothing like the RRDB_ESRGAN-x4 model.

This was trained off nothing but a single image of Todd Howard's face at various scales.

>>5247549

And this is the Manga109 one.

how good is nvidia gameworks? I heard it was worse than ESRGAN

>>5247563

>inb4 it's shit but game devs stick with it because it's Nvidia and it's easy to use

The big Western devs like to put their own spin on image tech, but Square Enix totally would just run every background through it without even any retouching.

>>5247549
>>5247553
here is my rendition

>>5247563
>>5247635
It's meant to be fairly decent from what I've heard.
>>5247347
Seems like a lot of files, I'll run it through tomorrow I guess, wont have time today.

Should I keep going? I tried with textures from gothic 1
Here is original

>>5248108
shit wrong picture

>>5248110
And here is a result

>>5248114
Result scalled down

>>5247691
it will be interesting to see how gameworks would treat the textures, esrgan results aren't bad, but it could had been more

>download the danbooru dataset
>divide them up into ~50,000 tiles
>some of them are in greyscale
>ESRGAN can only do RGB pics

At this point it would be easier to just change the code.

These "AI" image filters are such a meme. They add nothing and generally look like shit compared to the original.

>>5248115
Looks like it ran it through a sharpening filter and added a shitload of noise for good measure.

>>5249015

That image wasn't a good candidate for this anyway

>mixels
>DXT compression
>sharp edges
>kind of looks like the devs ran through a sharpening filter

Most SR programs are trained on good uncompressed photos run through cubic downscaling. It's an ideal that doesn't match the reality of retro game images.

>>5249027
If the AI only produces acceptable results on a handful of textures, then it's useless for upscaling an entire game. Not to mention the "acceptable" ones still look pretty bad. There's not that many textures in these old games anyways, you'd be better off just having some art interns paint over the old textures in Photoshop at a higher resolution. Or just leave the textures as is. Ultra high resolution textures on super basic geometry just looks weird anyways.

>>5249035

Guess I was unclear. They could work on other textures, but they'd have to be specifically trained on images like it. The creators of SR programs want people to be able to easily compare them, so you have standardized datasets and standardized downscaling methods, and the models they often ship with are trained for that end.

>Not to mention the "acceptable" ones still look pretty bad.

That I disagree with you on. I don't think they'd pass for native, but I'd rather have Square Enix use this instead of going for pic related.

>>5248114
>>5248110

>>5249125

That looks a bit better, but it's hard to tell if textures look good when they're not on a model.

>>5239097
>>5249048

There's one released a couple of weeks ago that directly compares itself to ESRGAN, aiming to do better with noisy images.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1812.04240.pdf

https://arxiv.org/abs/1812.04240

> It is observed that ESRGAN is rather sensitive to noise. The possible reason is that ESRGAN aims to generate realistic images with emphasizing more on textures and less on noise, which makes the noise is strengthened as textures. Due to the unsupervised degradation network for generating realistic LR images, our method performs much better with increased noise level.

No Github yet.

>>5230316
>>5230384
>>5230418
>>5230526
>>5230638
Holy shit, that's wonderful

Can someone post anime? Maybe it does a better job than waifu2x

>>5249375
nope, waifu still does a better job than those

>>5249384
Sure thing, nagadomi. Post proof, please.

>>5249375

Left to right: NN, Waifu2x, ESRGAN training on danbooru, ground truth.

Waifu2x does great with cleaning up low res details, but if the details aren't there at all, it falters a bit. A larger scale image would be more comparable, but I'm still training it.

>>5249525
>those magically generated fingers, mouth, and other details on ESRGAN
>those clean lines and colors with very little artifacting
Wow.

>>5249525
waifu would be great for sprites, i tink someone created a HD version of Capcom vs SNK rock with those for mugen, many years ago

so, to keep this thread up

Can this garbage please die?

>>5250890
>>>/v/

>>5249525
It looks pretty good, with some more training it could definitively replace waifu2x

Does anyone wants to gve it a try with Wing commander IV textures?
they are pretty much made using the original CG model textures

>>5251579
the entire pack
>https://imgur.com/a/Ozo0dVd

>>5251584
Thanks, I already have that original Excalibur + Textures somewhere. I think it would be better to redo them by hand.

>>5251579
>they are pretty much made using the original CG model textures

Pretty much. They just took orthographic renders of the high resolution models in Alias for part 3 and 4, cropped it a bit and voilà. The original models aren't even UV mapped, its done with with a custom tool and planar projection.

>>5251669
Frankly though, the models and texture detail in Wing Commander 3 looks better than WCIV
Maybe WCIV was supposed to have more resolutions, since it was updated for windows, but since the game was rushed, they cut that and the cockpits.

in fact WCIV has unused resolution lines

>>5251678
OK, then my model is the WC3 version. Texture res not great, but still higher than what you uploaded.

Here's a compilation from the shittertera thread, and its impressive the life that this shit does to scummvm games.
>https://imgur.com/a/6zyahTI

>>5249525

18 hours later and it's complete shit. It works on a very narrow category of images (anime-style drawings with zero noise, like pic related) and nothing else. I'm tempted to just throw in the towel and wait for GameWorks or EDSR.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/xxnon4701xybr24/VeryBadBooruModel.pth.zip/file

>>5251736
>https://imgur.com/a/6zyahTI
The Monkey Island-stuff is a billion times better than the DeviantArt-tier HD-remake.

>>5251745
that is because ESRGAN was made using certain types of materials as base, SFTGAN is no different though better.
the quake 2 stuff on >>5237678 and >>5237858 >>5237891 is impressive, even without tweaks to correct some stuff like the eyes and teeth colour

>>5251745

waifu2x for comparison. There's a difference, but just barely.

>>5251727
they also look more detailed, WCIV feels like they were all compressed and shoved into the model.
but that's my opinion

and yes this is OriginGoG WC3 with the Windows/Kilrathi saga patch

>>5251579

Not very good.

ESRGAN + Manga109, SFT-GAN.

>>5251842
Expected. There is simply nothing to work with.

>>5251842
jesus christ, but predictable.
>>5251863
i think it would be better if the textures were scaled to 320 or 400 with bilinear filtering, and then use the AI.

>>5238294
Estactica isn't supposed to have textures for PC and NPCs. It would totally ruin the style.

daggerfall sprite with topaz AI (paid)

>>5251758
>>5251759
>>5251745
From the samples on Github, it looks like sucks for "noisey" images, and only works well with simple shapes with less colours.
https://github.com/xinntao/ESRGAN

does someone wants to test SFTGAN or some other paid neural on this WC1 image?

the daggerfall thread gave me the biggest hardon ever!

>>5252134
bigger images if this one doesn't work
>https://www.wcnews.com/background/wing-commander-1.shtml

>>5232604
Try to first scale the source sprite to the desired resolution (try using both bi-linear and nearest neighbour to see if it's any different) and then apply the AI pass on top of it. This should work better.

>>5251759
Tried Waifu2X for heck of it since it supposedly improved now for artwork... Still looks like Nearest Neighbour for pixellated stuff. Original captured from ePSXe software mode 480p, Saga Frontier.

>>5252154
More SF1 waifued.

>>5252154
That's because you're scaling up from a nearest neighbor scaled image. Quite obviously, even.
If you input an image that's scaled with nearest then it has a clear squared texture already, which no scaler SHOULD try to remove.
Input 240p instead.

>>5251842
I think for realistic textures like Quake etc which have lot of grungy rust and mechanical details you'll need to train the AI with different dataset. I have no idea what that would be.
It seems like it works with line art the best as the anime dataset is similar to this. Thus the ScummVM stuff is astonishing.
But with (semi)realistic details such as Quake and other games it will create lot of stretched noise because the dataset is so different from the source material.
This is like magic. I can see what happens in couple of years...

>>5252170
Quake 2 stuff worked really well

though im waiting for the gameworks one to compare

>>5252175
Not really. And the Doom was disaster.

>>5252169
My GPU blacks out when I try to run ePSXe with 300x200 res.

>>5252190
dude if you want to be a contrarian to get sone (you), there's /v/.
but then i know that is you Vaysayan

>>5252195
Obviously. Unless you manually create a fullscreen resolution that's 120+Hz for it to select that's just not going to work, since most monitors only allow a minimum of ~29kHz frequencies.
But since it's just nearest neighbor scaled, you can scale it back down with nearest neighbor. That's lossless. Assuming ePSXe even scales it with nearest correctly by integer in the first place, at least. Though that's quite the assumption.

>>5252204
>Russian shitposter hating on pure AI handmade pixelart, while we all hate his shitty and stolen 3d heresy of doom
like pottery

>>5237495
CRTs are amazing for that, sure.
Low resolution is less of a problem because of just how CRTs output their images. Like, it's physically emitted light from phosphors.
The stronger the beam, for the brighter colors/brightness, the larger that section of the phosphor lights up.
Glare looks like glare because it's physically larger, more intense, and indeed brighter.
The fact that it's emitted light from phosphors instead of a partially blocked out backlight also does indeed give them drastically better contrast in general compared to digital monitors. Though OLED also emits light instead, and VA still manages nice contrast anyway.

There's also the fact that there's empty space between the output to give room for the brain to fill in missing details.
Same with the motion, since the image is only displayed for a fraction of a frame, and the brain fills in the duration that it's black. Preventing stairstep motion, making things easier to follow with the eyes. Blurbusters is great for info on that issue.
But it's important to note that not everyone handles that very well. Flicker/gap stuff gives headaches to plenty of people.
Interpolation can be vastly better for those people. A little excess textures MAY be easier to ignore than missing information can be filled in. Even if some of the interpolation may be incorrect, it may simply make the image as a whole easier to see.

>>5252227
> AI handmade pixelart
Look at the smeared poop you posted all over the place and then spot the error

>>5251736
No thank you, I prefer the original pixel art.

>>5252227
>pure AI handmade pixelart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwp3nwtOmvs

AI artist got to working on sonic adventure 2

looks okay

>>5238294
The Windows version of Ecstatica 1 has 640x480 backgrounds

>>5252501
Yes, really nice. You can even see exactly where the upscaler enhanced and augmented the many compression artifacts of the low res version. Other than that; high contrast haloing and noise up the ass.

Topaz AI has a 30 day free trial, and the daggerfall images were made on that
>https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?p=18898#p18898

does someone wants to give it a try?

>>5253197
bought it while it was on sale

>>5230316
>can be used for any game
how?

>>5253467

>>5253589
Now do Minestorm for the Vectrex.

>>5253589
Good, now fix the disgusting edge fringe

>>5240218
Man, this is so good.