/vr/ - Retro Games

=== ONGOING ===

/vr/ Heretic Mapping Project
-Currently looking for mappers, testers, and anyone else who can help.
-Project Discord server: https://discord.gg/BBPnHM8

H.U.H. - /vr/ Quake Mapping Project
-Current release, final unless bugs are spotted
-https://mega.nz/#!znJVlAiJ!CfsIcjb1Z_hDcesCaUKOkCcRJlgUhLmf49T6RVYCbUU

=== NEWS ===

[9-16] A new build of Slayer's Testament released
https://knockout.chat/thread/95/30#post-119111

[9-11] SgtMark's first dev diary of VietDoom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nRlb3WmRJo

[9-9] ZeroMaster completed MAP07 of Plutonia on UV Pacifist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MnFyHjgJgk

[9-5] Could You Would You in a Box released
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yh5xig7vrvobnqh/Could%20You%20Would%20You%20In%20A%20Box.zip?dl=1

[9-3] Doom4 Vanilla updated to 1.1, MS-DOS version released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/108725-doom-4-vanilla-new-v11-ms-dos-edition/

[9-1] Colorful Hell update
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980&p=1117225#p1117225

[9-1] Doom 4 Vanilla released.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/108725-doom-4-vanilla-dehacked-project/

[9-1] OTEX, a resource of textures and flats released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/103426-otex-texture-set-%E2%80%93-update-version-10-released/

[9-1] Fraggle's 'Miniwad' released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/108721-miniwadwad-a-minimalist-iwad

[8-29] Joe Rogan interviews John Carmack
https://youtu.be/udlMSe5-zP8

[8-27] Anon releases his unfinished project, free for cannibalizing
https://gofile.io/?c=7iv0Zp

[8-26] Ion Fury devs claim upcoming patch is not censoring content
https://steamcommunity.com/games/562860/announcements/detail/1616150570017627014

[8-25] Final Doomer 3.1 releases with Hellbound, Alien Vendetta, and Whitemare-themed weapon sets
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=55061

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>>5888791
There's no vision separators for the outdoor part so none of it is culled whenever you are outdoors., which results in 10k+ sectors visible all at once.
This tanks FPS below 60 even on PRBoom+.

Is referencing brutal doom to learn modding doom a bad idea?

>>5889846
very
but not as bad as trying to learn modding from bd

>>5889850
I was going to ask for an alternative, but I just found the "script library" on zdoom.

>>5889853
Never hurts to look at other mods, that's how I learned stuff, poking at resources on Realm667 isn't too bad.

>>5889863
a fucking circle

>>5889865
Depends, some of the stuff on there is literally a decade old so it doesn't apply perfectly to modern zdoom.

>>5889846
BD does a lot of shit in a verey roundabout and hacky way that results in unwanted side effects.

>>5889863
ANGER SPHERE

No seeders for the doom torrent?

GZDoom Cubemap support when?

>>5889752
What's currently the best way to play Blood (for the first time)? NBlood, BloodGDX or should I maybe just play Fresh Supply?

Also I heard the difficulty levels are weird there. Which one is like UV in Doom?

>>5890012
nBlood on well done

>>5890012
Fresh Supply, extra crispy

>>5889863
HEY LISTEN
to kill the cyberdemon, shoot it till it dies

>>5890031
What a waste of ammo.

>>5890031
HEY LISTEN
keep going in the direction you're going, and keep doing what you're doing.....

HEY LISTEN

It's impressive how Duke Nukem Forever managed to be more outdated than Duke 3D.
Let me explain, I still love Duke3D but the humor in terms of references didn't age really well(OJ Simpson trial for example),same for some other joke.
DNF on the other hand takes the trends that were going strong with FPS games at the time with gameplay + jokes that aged like milk (Christian Bale freaking out).
The washed out colours managed to create the most lifeless depiction of Las Vegas yet, some goes with the models.
Duke3D has its limitations but the environment fits with the bombastic and over the top tone is going for. And the sprites still look really good to this day.

You can say that there are some fun parts but try to play Duke3D then DNF. It's one hell of a downgrade all around.

While I'm not too fond on how the demons are designed, even the new ones. I really like how they made the angels in Eternal. So far they seem to be closer on how they were described in the Bible(specifically Ezekiel).

>>5890061
>Randy
Also this guy, I guess.

>>5890087
Definitely also his fault. For being a feature creep who wanted DNF to be as advanced as possible and restarted development for over 10 years.
Which is pure insanity.

>>5890061
> the humor in terms of references didn't age really well
Fuck you you meme loving fuck

>>5890118
>Meme loving fuck
Bruh, some of the references in Duke3D are strictly things that happened at that time it came out.
Plus I said that DNF was worse because it actually had more outdated references, like Leroy Jenkins.... in 2011.

>>5890114
During 2000's being technically advanced was absolutely necessary for any big game to succeed

>>5890156
>2001 DNF
People would have bought that shit even if it came out in 2003. At least that's what I think. That trailer kicked so much ass.

>>5889838
Why would you make a map that struggles to run smoothly even on PrBoom?
I mean even when a guy like Lainos makes his big fucking adventure maps, they run fine there, and those aren't barebones in detail.

>>5889846
Yes, because it's a tangled ball of spaghetti. Impressive in some ways, but also confusing and inefficient, with lots of problems.
Unless you're looking at a simple actor or something, I wouldn't try to learn from it.

>>5890163
>trailer
The only DNF 2001 exe we'll ever get. https://mega.nz/#!VGAxlIJT!fxwbVBBjYEWpBYt3tz8FGEz7aZNVn8f13Il_SY7EEHE

>>5890163
Wasn't that trailer confirmed as 95% fake?

Anyway. People who loved Duke and Doom all the way throughout 2000's wouldve bought it.
But by that time Unreal Engine 2 was a thing, Doom 3 and Source engine capabilities were revealed. People wouldve scoffed DNF off same way they did Daikatana (in a graphical sense the game was panned just as much as for everything else)

>>5890061
It's impressive how DNF managed to suck as much as it did, though it wasn't gonna be good with its fucky dev cycle.

Duke3D does date itself with some references, but A), the game is practically a period piece for what it matters, and B), just by the virtue of being a really good game, it's excused.

>>5890145
True, but it has some of its own jokes going as well.

>>5890163
I'd have bought that.

>>5889752
There's Simpsons Doom, but how about Family Guy or Bob's Burgers Doom?

>>5889752
>Duke Nukem 3D has Plutonium Pak and Megaton Edition
>Blood has Plasma Pak and Cryptic passage
>even Redneck Rampage has the Pak Suckin’ grits on Route 66
>Shadow Warrior has only Wanton destruction pak.
>WW2GI has Platoon leader
>Fate, TekWar, and Witchraven 2 have NOTHING.

>>5890183
>exe.

>>5890327
Shadow Warrior has Twin Dragon too.

>>5890327
>Not including Legend of the Seven Paladins
Pleb.

>>5890187
IIRC there's a build of that game somewhere and it's 80% functional.
The 2000s was a series of engine innovations.
If they just stayed with one engine and worked around it, would've been so much better and hence moved to other projects or new Duke games.

>>5890190
Duke himself is the fusion of several movie/comic book badasses. The cheesy one liners are part of the charm and honestly I love some of those old references(like early Simpsons ones).
DNF doesn't have that, it feels forced and out of touch for the most part.
Even worse the new lines in World Tour edition

Also you know that's bad when other games make fun of your dev cycle before the game even comes out.

>>5890378
Too bad we don't get good action mans in movies anymore.

HMM.
Daikatana on Unreal tech. Feels like that would have worked out way better. Possibly easier to work with and in my mind it's a more modular engine. What do you think?

>>5890473
Ironic. For a long time I actually thought Daikatana was an UE1 game and that was the reason why it was such a crashy, glitchy mess.

Seriously, in all my years working with that damn thing I can assure you that it wouldn't have turned out any better.

>>5890473
Maybe. The pathing was good once you knew how to handle it, which is incredible how they fucked it it so much on deus ex.

Any quake mod that let me remove all the HUH HUH HUH or pussy YARGRHHH everytime you get hit?
Most annoying grunts I ever heard.

>>5890583
You're a faggot.

>>5890583
maybe you just don't like first person shooters

>>5890583

Just beaten TNT: Evilution. Unpopular opinion: It's not that good.
Most levels are 90% hitscanners (70% of which were chaingunners), and don't really have too interesting level design. Personally, I've enjoyed only a handful of maps, mostly the hell ones. The final boss is pretty lame - same as Doom II's but even easier somehow.

>>5890680
>Unpopular opinion
>It's not that good
Wat?

>>5890702
I was looking online and most opinions I've found ranged from "it's okay" to "it's fucking amazing". Haven't found one opinion that outright said it's bad or boring.

>>5890583
open .pak file, replace grunt samples with empty dummy wavs

optional: take the cord of your comp and hang yourself with it

>>5890704
Most people on /vr/ are very indifferent about TNT, Plutonia on the other hand goes from "it's shit" to "it's fucking amazing"

>>5890704
I always thought people didn't like it. Although maybe I read too much /vr/.

>>5890715
Nice, thank you.

>>5890583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnPl0repskM

What's the latest news on Doom II 25th Anniversary? New Romero epiaode?

>>5890738
>>5890729
>>5890704
Most Doom fans agree that TNT is not that good and most prefer Plutonia. Me included.
TNT is a chore, the maps are too big, the level design is not even that interesting because it's a constant backtracking.
Also is so inconsistent with its difficulty. Sometimes is too simple, other times it goes all out and throws everything to you.

Plutonia is ball-busting hard it stays like that and it progressively gets more difficult, is consistent and the maps don't take too long to finish.
Sure it doesn't original songs like TNT but whatever.

>>5890704
Lots of people don't like TNT, and lots of people think it's pretty good but has flaws, particularly with the last third.

DSBGACT

>>5890760
Good joke.

>>5890787
I like this, although the bottom half seems to be less shaded/detailed that the top half

>>5890845
That's how WIP stuff works, yeah.

Figure this is the best place to ask: Should I get Doom 3, or Doom Classic for PS3?

Don’t care for Doom 3, so my question is strictly about port quality.

>>5890912
Doom Classic, I guess. Doom 3 BFG Edition came bundled with Doom Classic.

Does anybody here know of a BSP decompiler for Quake 1 that runs on Linux? I don't care if I have to build it from source (in fact that's somewhat preferable).

Most of the ones I see are closed source, and for windows. The one decent open source project I could find is written in C#. I'd really like to not have to spend time writing one from scratch if there's one that already exists.

>>5890919
So they’re the same? I’ll probably just go with Doom 3 depending on what prices I find.

>>5890791
Didn't Romero promise such thing?

>>5889863
is this official?
i know doom 3 mp had a lot of stuff had is poorly documented even on doomwiki

>>5890958
He's busy.

>>5890912
If you can get Classic Complete, that one's ok.

>>5890958
No. He said that if sales were good he would like to do more Doom stuff in the future.

Blood 2 except they licensed the Quake 2 engine and released it in 1999 instead of trying to develop their own 3D engine and a full game in under a year

>I am you but stronger

>>5891042
Tim Sweeney looks like a fucking Cardassian in this picture.

>>5891053
He either looks like hulk or retard.

>>5891039
The models would look much better and all around more polished and sins would be less bad:Like level design, enemies and balance.
It would go from below average to a 7/10 at best

>>5890079
I like how a giant metal angel with an exposed brain parallels the Spider Mastermind and that's how i think Heaven could work in Doom.
See what made Hell so good in the series and try to apply some of it for Heaven,

>>5891042
Which? Because the Unreal Engine had some features that Quake didn't, and Quake had some that Unreal didn't.

>>5891110
Tim is one of wealthiest people on planet, Carmack is yes man for lizard.

>>5891119
Carmack is:
-An alien?
-A lizard man?
-A sex icon?
-An android?
-All above

>>5891039
Do you think they made their own engine because of the issues they had with Build when creating Blood? I remember hearing it was a hassle for them.

>>5891158
all above

>>5891159
It was shit Silverman's engine hold by glue and cum.

>>5891159
Blood is technologically superior to Duke and SW. The Build engine is also really janky, so it could be.
But even with those issues they should have stayed with the Build engine.
IIRC GT Interactive wanted them to use the new engine in order to compete with Half-Life.
We all know how it went

>>5891184
How is Blood superior to SW? In SW the enemies can actually see and attack you through room over room portals.

>>5891039
They didn't even want to make Blood 2 to begin with.

>build is janky
Where did this meme come from? Are you retards just parroting e-celebs again? Having spent some time playing with the sourcecode, the engine is perfectly fine. Build is a lot simpler and smaller than you think it is. The biggest flaw it has is lack of documentation at some points where it would be helpful.

Almost all of the bugs in build games are directly tied to shit that studios tacked on to the engine. Those are the facts.

>>5891231
>John Carmack and the devs of eDuke32 and Ion Fury are just clueless e-celebs

I really want to like Doom 2's city levels but holy fuck it's so easy getting lost in them.

>>5891231
Go to bed Ken. Go make another voxel engine no one uses.

>>5891184
Nope

>>5891234
>devs of eDuke32 and Ion Fury
Both working with the heavily modified 3D realms version of Build. I don't even think eDuke32 has an ounce of Build code at all. 3D realms treated Ion Fury like a third party mod, opting to abuse features of the engine to achieve results rather than extending the engine to support the behavior they were after. That's not what a competant development house does.

>John Carmack
There are a few issues with this:
1.) He only experienced the 3D realms modified version of the engine
2.) He later would rescind his "held together with bubblegum" comment and commend Silverman as the most talented 3D programmer, and the top of his list to hire.

>>5891269
Ken is too busy working on real-life voxels with an aussie holographic display company to post on the internet.

>>5891231
Fuck off. Come back when YOUR engine is done. Nibba

>>5890958
He'll go back to Doom whenever he needs another PR boost from the media. Empire of Sin + a few years and he'll do it again.

>>5891231
>Are you retards just parroting e-celebs again?
What the fuck are you talking about you fucking retard? You have shit like swinging doors instakilling you for no reason, to name the most famous, people have been making fun of that aspect of the engine since the 90s.

>>5891278
>with the heavily modified 3D realms version of Build
In which the good games for it were made.

>>5891291
This shit can easily be fixed today

>>5891291
>You have shit like swinging doors instakilling you for no reason
This behavior doesn't exist in the vanilla engine. It's explicitly a bug made by 3D realms.

For any game engine that's been extended, there's going to be an example of the extended version being a bug ridden mess because the developers lacked talent or didn't do QA for whatever reason. This holds true for all of the id engines starting with Quake Engine. Yet these are not considered janky engines... why the double standard?

And on that train of thought...
>>5891292
>In which the good games for it were made.
There are no good games on the Build engine in the first place. Though this no fault of the engine itself, just became overshadowed by Quake not long after it was finished.

>>5891331
>No good games on the Build engine

>>5890919
wrong
it had its own versions of doom 1 and 2
classic has master levels and final doom
this is the kind of stuff that is on the doomwiki

>>5891331
I will fight you motherfucker

>>5891345
>>5891353
I will concede that Shadow Warrior is decent. Duke and Blood are overrated slogs, however.

>>5891331
>ackshually; something about insisting on the strictly correct definition when nobody gives a shit about Build outside of the context of Duke Nukem 3D, Blood, Shadow Warrior, Redneck Rampage, Powerslave, and Ion Fury, when in reality people only mean those games because they are the ones that matter
You're being too much of a nerd.

>>5891371

>>5891371
blow it out your ass

>>5891357
this isn't animated. How am I supposed to get a massive headache like this?

>>5891206
>They didn't even want to make Blood 2 to begin with.
is blood 2 the dmc2 of retro fps?

>>5891371
Man of taste.

>>5891357
>.jpg
I'm calling the cops

>>5891385
Ain't even retro, bud. It's just shit.

>>5891331
>There are no good games on the Build engine
wtf

>>5891119
Oh, so just money then. Nvm

>>5890924
No luck running under Wine? Also, have you checked if the source for the map you're trying to decompile is already freely available?

>>5891119
how tf did tim sweeney get more money than gabe newell?

>>5891053
ATTENTION BAJORAN DOOMERS

>>5891420
24/7 prostitution

>>5891420
By making more popular game.

>>5891374
Where do you think you are?

In particular, this reply chain started with my challenging of the thread's popularly held opinion that Build is a "janky" engine. With my own experiencing playing around with the raw engine and it's source code, I have genuine ground to stand on when it comes to backing up that experience.

In fact, the distinction does exist and is quite important. It's why interoperability between games is extremely poor, and there will never be a ZDoom-style "does everything" sourceport for Build. The Build engine is open source, and virtually all complaints about "jank" don't exist in the compiled product. So calling the engine janky, rather than calling the games janky, is getting things backwards.

This is actually pretty ironic, because it goes entirely against the folk wisdom of the "If everywhere you go smells like shit" idiom. But the evidence is easy enough to replicate yourself, so there isn't really much of an argument there. Finally, that's a complete misrepresentation of how colloquial meaning propagates in this context. Consider that UE4 and Unity are very innately associated to be bad engines, because they are often used to create bad games. Despite the technology of the engines being fine to unremarkable, people will manufacture a view of them that's heavily informed by the shovelware they're used to create, and believe in an illusion that they're genuinely terrible game engines. For a more close-to-home example, Zandronum is a source port for autists and furries.

Really no matter what way you slice it, I'm presenting a well-informed, un-biased opinion that challenges popular public perception in order to create a more solid grasp of reality. That's always worth autistic verbosity and pedantry.

Aleph One > eDuke32

>>5891431

>>5891436
Aleph One's only real limitation is 30FPS
eDuke has plenty of limitations

>>5891426
Gabe owns steam. He sells every game and takes a cut. Woulda thought that would add up faster than licensing an engine.

>>5891441
I guess fucking fortnight nets them billions. Forgot about that.

>>5891441
Gabe also finances R&D. That shit's expensive. Also he orders and eats 9 gorillion tonnes of fat per hour.

>>5891439
You are retarded

>>5891447
no u

>>5890079
Imagine if they went with the other designs that that Angels were described as being like in the Bible.

>>5889715
Yeah the collision issues were absolutely why it works out that way. I almost want to slip a secondary hurtbox via Mikk's headshot mod and just make it be specifically for fillin in the rest of their model. The way I understand it, since its a warping separate entity it shouldn't cause mapping height issues like you surmised was the original reasoning. I just can't stand shooting through them because i aimed just slightly higher than the center of the sprite.

>>5890680
From what I've noticed, the popular opinion is that some maps in Evilution are good, and a lot of them are trash. How many maps fall into each category tends to very from person to person, but its generally regarded as "ok" overall.

>>5890768
On the topic of music, there's also only a small amount of it, half of it is repetitive shit, and a lot of the good stuff is short. And it was all composed by four people. Four.
I wonder why Evilution in particular was chosen to be released commercially, Memento Mori came out a year earlier, and MM2 was released like a week after TNT.

>>5891464
>in an alternative timeline, we coul have had 3 final doom episodes
>one of them would have been memento mori
would have been neat, but i thought some secrets were made for co op only

>>5891119
FIGHT THE LIZARD MENACE! DRACONIANS OUT OF THIS SOLAR SYSTEM!

>>5890583
You serious?
The HUH is one of the most iconic aspects of Quake, removing it would sacrilegious

>>5891429
People RARELY mean the original engine when they say Build.

>>5891464
maybe because it was made by team tnt? who knows, what wads would you guys pick if you had the chance to change them?

>>5891464
I disagree with you about the music, I think almost all of it is great.
For Memento Mori, it hasn't aged as well as some people imagine, I really don't think it's better than Evilution in any substantial manner, Memento Mori 2 is another question.

For that matter, without TNT, we might not just not have gotten Plutonia.

>>5891331
>developers lacked talent or didn't do QA for whatever reason
What they lacked is the actual source code for the engine. Only Ken could edit it, and he was quite infamous for being hard to work with

>>5891478
I don't like it. The great movement, combat and atmosphere makes the game iconic enough for me and I wish I could jump freely without earring a hundred repetitive HUH.

>>5891508
If you head it enough you stop hearing it.

>>5891508
So make a silent audio file. Damn.

>>5891357
One day I will have a Fireblu pattern as my carpet.

>>5891459
this

>>5891371
>>5891394
We don't take kindly to yer ilk 'round these parts feller.

>>5891459
Depictions of demons in media can be absolutely nightmarish.
But angels in the Bible I find them scarier. Sometimes they don't really have a shape and go beyond human comprehension. Like Lovecraft elder gods.

Bayonetta kinda went into that zone where angels were far more monstrous.

>>5891083
I didn't expect them to be so consistent with the artstyle. They clearly don't belong in Hell but don't look out of place either.
I'm excited to see the angels than any new possible demon.
Not a fan of the Marauder and Doom Hunter

>>5889752
Opinions on ShadowCaster?

>>5891508
Holy shit you're a huge faggot

quake sucks, unreal is better

>>5891508
HUH

>>5890079
So summoners are fallen angels?

>>5891603
>Not a fan of the Marauder and Doom Hunter
I thought they were alright, even if overdetailed as usual or too fantasy like.
I do wonder more about the gameplay they carry because the worst that can happen is focusing too much on giving Doomguy really cool alt fires and little on making enemies feel different or strong.

>>5891603
I will be happy if eternal has hellish angels, maybe they are worse than demons

>>5891665
I don't dislike them I just feel they could be better. The Marauder aside being overdetailed is also quite incoherent.
The Doom Hunter has too much going on.

That being said, I also want to see what the angels are capable to do. The worst thing it could happen is them being reskins of the demons.
Maybe even more powerful with different patterns compared to the demons

>>5891681
doesn't that kind of deviate from the whole point of doom, though?
i mean, making them evil is one thing but worse than hell is kind of a stretch

>>5891603
They pretty much were Lovecraftian Elder Gods. Some parts of the Bible say that some people died when looking directly at an Angel. And since Demons are just fallen Angels, I think it makes sense for Angels to also be terrifying.

>>5891686
Doom's demons are just savage beasts pursuing their instincts. They aren't more evil than a spider laying eggs inside a living caterpillar.

Now I imagine Doom's angels and god as truly arrogant evil creatures that takes pleasure in watching inferior creatures (humans and demons) suffering.

>>5891696
>"What you interfere with now is bigger than you can imagine. If you continue, you will bring down the Heavens' wrath. It is written: it is their time to give penance. You are but one man. They are no longer your people to save."

>>5891696
I imagine demons as being power hungry but chaotic evil. Angels are probably some kind of mindless soldiers obeying god even if his will is to perform evil things. Good and bad make sense only in human mind. Things we consider evil might not be so evil through the eyes of a god.

>>5891609
No

>>5891608
>He said while trying his damn best to defend a low quality male audio file

>>5891726
>he said while talking shit about Trent Reznor

>>5891508
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1XK85kOHhvf

>>5891723
Great. Doom is now darksiders.
Or another bland "evil" god amazing twist.

Poor Teleology.


That said making angels evil is the coolest inversion seen even in fucking anime for the past decades, and it can be cool so bring those ebil angels.

It would actually be a cool story going all Iraneus in this, think, angels are just servants of the evil demiurge, Yaldabaoth etc you guys who know myth know the deal, and Doomslayer is the actual avenging agent of the one true God. making Doomslayer the sort of the second coming.

>>5891695
Makes me wonder if they will actually go for that route.
Creatures that cannot be seen by mortals, not even the Doomslayer.
We only see their figure far away and you can't still tell how they might look like even when they attack you from a distance.
It can be too much to ask but would be cool to have more eldritch horror in Doom.

>>5891765
Since most of the power ups in 2016 kill a normal human, I don’t think Doomguy will have much of a problem with looking at an Angel. Though that does sound like a good idea for a Doom mod.

>>5890680
>Unpopular opinion: It's not that good.
Not that unpopular of an opinion. While I wouldn't call it bad, Its very much a product of 95 era map-making, and not many wads have been influenced by it.
Compare to Plutonia, which was ahead of its time, and you can see plenty of its influence in many wads.
>Most levels are 90% hitscanners (70% of which were chaingunners)
Theres actually a lot more shotgunners (1041) than chaingunners (601) in TNT, funnily enough.

>>5891491
IMO, the best maps of Memento Mori are better than the best maps of TNT. But it does have a few more outright bad maps than TNT, I'll give you that. And it doesn't help that a few maps are gimped in single player, due to being heavily designed with coop in mind.

>>5891464
TNT was actually on track to release before Memento Mori by a couple months, before id snagged it just before its intended free release.

Most speedmaps suck, but Quake has almost 200 collections of them for one of its jams

>>5892013
>Most speedmaps suck
It depends on the mapper, I'd say.

>>5891357
>>5891380
>>5891396
>>5891576
Get a fresh shipment of totally legit FIREBLU delivered right at your front door!

>>5891746
Honestly I can imagine God as less 'evil' and more apathetic, perhaps even generally disinterested or uninvolved in anything at large. It's totally plausible to see something like, say, Samuel trying to ascend to becoming a new God, but ultimately falling from grace as a result of his powerful ambitions and creating a great schism that forces the Slayer to have to bash both sides.

>Doom 1 ends with Hell letting you loose back onto Earth only to find it invaded
>Doom 2's manual starts with you apparently having saved Mars from an invasion instead of just getting stuck in hell, and then taking a drop pod back to Earth to find it being invaded
>some fans suppose the 1&2 Marine may be different characters as a result of this inconsistency
why am I only just now finding out about this

I continue to be perplexed at people caring about a semblance of a story in Doom

But you do you, I guess

>>5892156
once you've killed shit so much that it's become routine until the next big map mixup, you tend to ponder about things other than more dead demons

>>5890760
New Carmarck sourceport

>>5890958
>>5890968
>>5890991
Romero's busy being fucked in the ass by Paradox.

>>5890760
I reckon hes gonna wait until Doom 2's 30th anniversary before doing it.

https://youtu.be/JP0QxMOrhzA

Sonic Mayhem > Kelly Bailey, Alexander Brandon.

>>5891746
>>5892126
I recall there being a confirmation for the heaven stuff being a couple rogue angels and that's about it. I'm not so sure.

>>5892108
Name of wad please?

>>5892108
Is it heavy? Man, I just want one of the small boxes if it is.

But what if... Keks Quest.

>>5892358

>>5892156
It's less about story and more about the overall identity
I also wonder how people would view Doom's story had Carmack never made that story in games comment

>>5891371
bruh
>>5891431
(bruh)^2
>>5891604
'salright.

i wonder if eternal will have possessed night sentinel people considering doomguy might not just be a representative for humanity who dealt with zombified humans
because if he doesn't come from earth anymore, he would think of saving his other people besides just earth

>>5892382
What story? You punched the wrong son of a bitch and got sent off to Mars duty. Bad things happen and then you kill things.

>>5891480
>maybe because it was made by team tnt?
I wasn't around back then, but what were they even at the time? Evilution was supposed to be the first WAD they released, and after the deal that would be Icarus. Eternal Doom and Boom happened later.
>>5891491
I don't really like MM myself, I only used it as an example of a bigger fan project going on at the time. But yeah, I wrote it and then looked up what >>5891940 said, so I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore.

>>5891665
I wish they didn't make Archvile look like an armored tank. The scorched look is alright, and I like the design overall, but I would've preferred something a bit more similar to the original, skinny and creepy.

>>5892605
I never even finished Doom 2016, but i am going to give Dum:Todd Howard's Revenge a shot because its only AAA game to have any kind of hope for in this age.

>>5890176
>Why would you make a map that struggles to run smoothly even on PrBoom?

Run smoothly on what? A 2003 Dell laptop? A 2010 PC? A tricked out gamer rig? Doom runs on an incredibly wide spectrum of computers. nuts.wad was literally an unplayable joke until computers got fast enough that now it is a novelty.

>>5891231

there is literally a meme speedrun of duke3d where duke repeatedly passes through walls and kills himself through the janky collision code

>>5892620
Doom 2016 was a lot of fun imo. Not as replayable as the original. Maybe not even as replayable as Doom 3 in some ways. The monsters are maybe *too* mobile. So setting them up in interesting ways ends up with them scattered all over the area, crawling up walls and shit, anyway... Which ruins the distinction of the fights, save a few specific examples.
It's a good game, just not one you can dump a shitload if hours into.

>>5891429

if you are autistic then: people dislike long autistic word diarrhea nonsense. no one is convinced by it. if you were truly an autistic logical robot, you would take this information and change your behavior.

>>5892151
>he doesn't play coop

>>5892674
>The monsters are maybe *too* mobile.
True, monsters were busy running FROM the player not actively chasing him.

>>5891429
You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

Civvie's gonna do it

>>5889752
hello frens. Does anyone know how to turn off horizontal autoaim for the gzdoom? It's annoying as fuck

>>5892713
No one knows. It's a matter of speculation and debate even to this day. Some philosophers claim that there is a Player Setup menu in Options. Some madmen even attest to having seen an Autoaim slider there. But they are surely barking mad.

>>5892734
so at what point do I leave the slider to turn off the horizontal autoaim without messing the vertical, oh sarcastic replier in a imageboard?

>>5892743
There's only one autoaim. It's not separated into vertical/horizontal anywhere as far as I'm aware. Is there even a sourceport that separates them? And why is it even relevant? If you find autoaim screwing you frequently just turn it off. If you want to play vanilla style, then leave it on and deal with the side-effects.

>>5892750
just one more question, why you insist on replying if you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about?

>>5892758
Where do you think you are

>>5892743
>so at what point do I leave the slider to turn off the horizontal autoaim without messing the vertical

The fuck am I reading? There's only one option for autoaim in gzdoom under Player Setup. Just turn it off completely to the left.

>>5891771
There's a mod on Zdoom Forums that kinda does that:
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=62368

But a mod where a random angel-like creature spawns in the map and attacks the player but cannot be seen or you die.
You can push it away by shooting at it but still doesn't die.

>>5891639
Pretty much. But funny you're saying this because that's the Angel of Death from Hellboy 2.
The Summoner creates life by summoning new enemies and is a demon, while the angel takes life away.
Ironic.

Now the dust has settled, can we all agree that Ion Fury is an utterly mediocre game with zero replay value and just Build porn (read: Build fat) as its only selling point?

>>5892947
>Now the dust has settled

The game was just released people were already saying that. Its pretty I guess.

>>5892947
I enjoyed it and have played it three times

>>5892947
Replace garbage Shelly with Elexis from Sin and you got a game.

>>5892620
>because its only AAA game to have any kind of hope for in this age.
Same. I'm afraid of microtransactions being shoved in, but if they only touch the multiplayer Battlemode, I don't really care.

>>5889752
>TFW waiting for either a hacker or a former Lucasarts employee to release the source code to the Jedi Engine.

>>5889752
>John Carmack claims that the Build Engine is janky overall
>Implying he actually touched the Build Engine beyond at most a few swipes of the keyboard

>>5893048
His Rogan interview was kinda boring. But I liked when he specifically said he is a strict materialist. I always love to see these creative types denying free will while being so excited by their work.

Applied AI sure its possible, but real conscious AI? Nah Carmak.

But he is really the type of person I thought he would be in a more relaxed interview.
Very cool dude.

>>5893056
I was talking about his remarks about the build Engine. He's a developer, sure, but idtech 1 and 2=/=Build.

>>5893085
He was talking about Duke Nukem 3D specifically when he said it was held together by chewed gum, and that's true, the game IS held together by chewed gum (but it's still a great game and I love it).
Carmack has otherwise stated he's really impressed by Silverman and would have loved to have worked with him.

>>5893143
>held together by chewed gum.
How can you be so sure that he was being 100% literal and not saying that as a partial reference to Duke's line about kicking ass and chewing bubblegum?

>>5893143
He's a fuckhead and so are you. Fuckhead

>>5892963
>replace Shelly with a character
>replace enemies with something remarkable
>replace weapons (bar Loverboy and the Bowling Bomb) with proper weapons
>replace levels with clean design, not scatterbrained Build porn

and you got a game.
The music and the comic book art style is the only good thing about it.

>>5893164
A fuckhead who fucked your mom.

>>5892713
Anyone?

>>5893143
But he's all outta gum

>>5892947
no we won't all agree because it's a great game

>>5892758
he's right though, you can't have vertical autoaim without the horizontal autoaim
go dig through the source yourself if you don't believe me, because that's what I did

>>5892697
Halle-fucking-Lujah
I can't wait.
Speaking of which, do you feel DNF deserves all the hate it gets? It would've been better if they just gave up and didn't released it?

>>5892620
>todd having any involvement with the creative design of doom
>being this assblasted over bethesda that you somehow think developer = publisher

absolutely disgusting

>>5893407
Bethesda Game Studio was said to influence Id in Noclip faggot.

>>5893387
they should've learned from daikatana's mistake and just pressed forward on the tech they had instead of constantly changing engines and scrapping everything
even if it was an initial disappointment, it wouldn't have gone down in history nearly as bad as it did

>>5893164
wow rude

>>5893375
Well, that's a bummer
>He's right though
He didn't even know there is a horizontal autoaim

Apprently, Doom 64 was meant to tackle on different cultural visions on Hell, hence the Mayan pyramid from that one screenshot.
Out of any game in the series, Doom 64 may have had the biggest losses in cut content besides Doom 3 having Trent Raznor doing sounds.

>>5892947
Did you say fat?

>>5893431
Well that kinda sucks. But at least we got an amazing depiction of hell.
Reminded me of Quake in certain aspects.

Btw imagine if Quake 3 had a soundtrack by Trent Reznor.

>>5893419
Daikatana was a trainwreck but at least the community improved it.
The game affected Romero's figure but not nearly as bad as Brussard. He's barely involved with gaming anymore and for good reasons.

Just go for one engine and work around it, many games kept using the same engine for other entries of the series.
>TFW they literally had to keep Brussard away from other upcoming games in order to not restart DNF all over again

>>5893260
You have to be 18 or older to post here

>>5892947
nibba u gay

hehe

>>5893461
The door problem is a simple code fix

>>5893461
Kek

>>5893407
dragons in the concept art aside, that's an expected thing to happen with doom now
which parts of the game are from the actual devs or zenimax execs telling them that they gotta do this for some odd reason?
with older id, everything in their games was either what they wanted or things they still went through instead of publisher execs meddling with a project

>>5893387
>do you feel DNF deserves all the hate it gets
Not all of it. Some of the game is pretty fun, and some of the combat is pretty punchy. Other parts are like slamming two bricks together.

>>5893407
Then again I think it's pretty apparent how Bethesda influenced the development of QC, so concerns for Eternal are not so out of place...

>>5893468
It was fixed in IF.

>>5892947
>Now the dust has settled
>>>/v/

>>5893524
Don't forget New Colossus. The game was clearly rushed and tried to put it out as soon as possible because of the political climate going on at the time.

Again,for QC the fact the game doesn't have an update since forever, confusing development + Bethesda being Bethesda, basically doomed the game.

The less about F76, the better.

So yeah,being owned by a crap greedy company has terrible consequences even if they're not the devs. Look what happened to Dead Space 3.

>>5892674
>Maybe not as replayable as Doom 3 in some ways.
As much as I liked 2016 and am hating on 3 and its modding scene currently (because after romping through it, its expansion pack, and a handful of custom maps, I can attest to the fact that it plays like hot garbage and is a complete disservice to the action shooter genre and its foundations), I'm gonna have to agree.

For all its faults, Doom 3, in contrast to 2016, DOES have a sensible approach to its story, its characters, and its worldbuilding is actually pretty okay even. I can appreciate the sense of adventure, the overall pacing which allows for things like careful exploration, and I like that the game FEELS like it has proper substance to it beyond 'here's a bunch of guys, go kill' and the handcrafted nature of the combat can at least shine through. They certainly did put effort into making sure every enemy could hold its own against the player, and there's certain moments in the game that can be genuinely challenging to sort out.

2016 on the other hand, you start out strong against hordes of baddies, and remain strong throughout. The game greatly suffered from the dreaded 'you first go here, then here, then you're back out here again' type of progression and while combat is its strongest suit, you can't attain to an aspect of your game and ditch everything else. I honestly can't say I blame people for dropping 2016, just as I can't blame people for dropping 3, same for 64 of even classic Doom. But I like them all, flaws and all, so maybe I'm only bias.

Hyped for the new game.

>>5893387
It has some interesting and funny ideas. But 90% of the game is just mediocre or outright blad. It has no vitality.
Maybe it would never live up to Duke3D, but it came out at a terrible time, it has terrible models, greasy dark look of the era and its just not fun.
Then again I felt the same for shadow warrior.

This is Borderlands disgusting jokes era.

A true Duke game, light but at the same time with the trinity of gory, violent and weird sexy would be impossible to make today.

Making Duke old like some anons said some threads back would be an awesome idea.

hey term check your dw inbox it has warts
yours truly
d.

>>5893227
The levels are actually fucking great. Especially the first third of the game.

>>5892947
It's below the Trinity, but I think it's fair to place it on that sort of "2nd tier Build Engine list of games" like Redneck Rampage and PowerSlave. Totally worth playing, arguably in the top 10 releases of the year, but not anything that I expect to be seen as an all-time classic.

>>5889752

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHblwT1Xl2c

>>5893617
I think it's still possible. But in modern day is still difficult to make a Duke game with the same tone as the classic ones.
You need a dev team that gives a shit only to those who love FPS games and not those who could find it problematic.
In other words people who truly give a shit.

DNF kinda fell flat on the raunchy humor. Felt like it was trying way too hard at times.

>Making Duke old like some anons said some threads back would be an awesome idea.
Believe it or not, many actually like that idea.
A Duke who way past his prime, because there hasn't been an alien invasion for like 20 years and people generally don't find him as appealing.

Duke still has the same body because lifting weights, training etc. are the only thing that makes him forget that he's part of the past.

>>5893607
weird that new wolfenstein's marketing tries to hard to mix both fantasy and real history nazis with modern right wingers when doom eternal's only "controversial" thing was some random joke that doesn't even feel political, but it doesn't seem to want to stir shit at christians and catholics for the inclusion of a possible antagonistic heaven and just the sanatic imagery alone
maybe it's because doom's potrayal of hell is not that close to traditional imageries but normally, i thought the christian/chatolic/etc religions were related to the political spectrum that right wingers are a part of

>>5893387
Yes. I think it's genuinely one of the worst games I've ever played.
They should have released Duke Nukem Forever back during 2003 at the latest, dated graphics be damned.
I mean Duke Nukem 3D wasn't the cutting edge of graphics at its time either, you had Quake, a fully software 3D game coming out around the same time, and it sure didn't stop people from buying it.

>>5893696
Steel is stored in the balls.
Meme Creamem.

>>5893696
Don’t forget Steroids.

>>5893461
Doors = whores

how jelly are you of this rig?

>>5893742
I would also rather play a quake 2 engine, hl or kingpin anachronox style fucking duke game with low poly strippers instead. If it had good levels and charm.

>>5892947
I do think the weapon design and enemy design is weak.

>>5893387
I think it deserves it. Duke Forever is as generic as you can get with the mid-late 00's era style of linear shooter gameplay, and put too much emphasis on the crass humour and babes, when they were only a small part of 3D.

>>5893945
The unreal dnf build still looks great to me, to this day.

>try to play Doom 2 again
>get tired out by M4
Why do the maps in Doom 2 feel like such a slog compared to Doom? I can replay Doom and Heretic all day but I always get exhausted playing Doom 2. Is it the general map philosophy of just having non stop action? Is it the fact that it isn't broken up into digestible episodes?

>>5893976
I thought the city levels would be amazing.
They're not.

>>5893959
>crass humour and babes, when they were only a small part of 3D.
that's all 3d was about

>>5893743
I'm here to kick ass and eat viagra and I'm all out of viagra.

>>5893936
That Shambler is adorable

>>5893990
DNF focuses more on those than gameplay.
Same with interactivity, it's still impressive but spends more time showing off that than get into action.

>>5894004
DEEP FAKE CGI

>>5893056
>he specifically said he is a strict materialist.
Of course he is, the dude is quite smart after all.

>>5893990
>that's all 3d was about
No it wasn't. Most levels were generally joke-free outside of a movie reference here and there. And the amount of levels that focused on babes can be counted on one hand.

>>5893976
Not enough John Romero. Hes the only mapper where I can say I liked all of his doom 2 maps.
American McGee, I only like Underhalls and Inmost Dens
Shawn Green's Bloodfalls is mediocre compared to his E4 maps.
Sandy Petersen is very hit or miss overall

>>5893976
Quality overall is a bit of a mixed bag, and weak levels stack closer together usually, but I think the first 11 maps are pretty fun, and some of the best maps are in the last third.

>>5893987
The city levels mostly make up the weakest parts, Doom 2 has good levels, and they're mostly the base levels and some of the hell levels.

>>5894045
Who's the artist?
I came across that pic once and forgot who it was

>>5892697
Do what?

>>5894282
your mom

but it's gonna take FOREVER

It always feels like somebody's watching me.

>>5894376
by Azathoth, how brown!

>>5894397
It's underwater.

>>5894407
That's a suspiciously brown water
I doubt Dagon would be pleased

>>5889752
>>5889753
Name me some good storyline wads to play with DoomRPG+DRLA

They finally fixed the weapon reload animation canceling glitch in IF

>>5894004
delet this

Two of the likely main game-related sources of influence for "Blood" were "Spear of Destiny" and "Earthworm Jim".

>>5894484

>>5894496
For "Heretic" (1) - "LOOM" and "Wizardry VI".

>>5894484
>>5894532
[citation needed]

>>5894174
Lewdygrim

>>5890424
that looks like the meme kid who gives the thumbs up while on a 'puter

>>5891576
oh shit this is the best idea I have heard in a long while maybe a wall carpet

>>5894650
ha HUH

Trying out DTWID. Now at E2M5. When does it become bad? So far I'm having a very good time, but I saw people here say that it sucks.

>>5894703
People here say a lot of things suck.
DTIWID is highly regarded as a solid wad, it starts to get worse with episode 3 but the final boss is actually a challenge.

>>5894440
Not entirely. You can still cancel the reload by switching to another weapon.

Doom 2 the game where the secrets are easier to find than the levels' exit

>>5894642
Someone out there has that Duke model stored away. Infinite possibilities.

>>5894772
unlikely, after almost two decades

>>5893959
This.
The first part of the game after the Cyclod Emperor battle is nothing but a series of exposition trying to shove as much raunchy and dumb jokes as possible.
You get into action much later.

It happens in other games where the first part you don't kill anything but serve as build up.

>>5893707
Nah. I feel that the joke itself wasn't controversial at all. It's simple satirr overblown at the time it was shown.
The secret about politics in games is never trying to shove anything current in. It will be extremely outdated. Especially now where trends die in less than a month

>>5894793
You never know with workstations. People have been finding all kinds of old treasures. Stored away and never wiped.

>>5894769
You have a shitty sense of direction.

>>5894650
I can see Yoshi and the Shambler being best friends for some reason.

>>5894703
>When does it became good?
Fixed

>>5894815
That's actually a fiend but yeah that would be somewhat cute.

>>5894807
I know from personal experience(VFX for one and a half decade) how companies treat their data safety. Let's say that it was non-existent in most studios I worked at and we often made our own backups of projects.

>>5893425
Anon....
I think you may lack reading comprehension

>>5894812
I don't, especially with the minimap. I mostly miss switches because sometimes you need to activate things that aren't doors or switches. That was pretty rare in Doom 1. That and the levels aren't really straightforward anymore, especially the maps full of little houses to explore.

Whats your favorite combination of wads?

>>5894820
>lol fixed
stfu

>>5894703
I thinks it a great wad. My only problem is that some maps kinda blur together.

>>5894769
>>5894825
IMO, Doom 2's levels were generally easier to navigate compared to most Tom Hall maps from 1.

>>5890012
I love BloodGDX. It has everything fresh supply has, but it isn't broken to shit. I literally played some this morning because I'm on my second playthrough, this time on Well Done.

Quake sucks.

Quake > Doom

quake is objectively a game

>>5894703
Never, in my experience, I think DTWID and D2TWID hold up fantastically. Also check out DTWID Lost Episodes.

>>5894769
I bet you get lost inside a gas station.

>>5894825
>because sometimes you need to activate things that aren't doors or switches
I can only think of one instance when Doom 2 does this, Map 28.

>>5894976
I think those maps are pretty straightforward an easy to navigate.

>>5895273
In any case the level design is really different from doom 1 and it's not an improvement. I had less troubles in Doom 1's labyrinth levels, in fact. It's not a matter of being lost, but critical switches and paths being much more hidden.

>>5895280
>the level design is really different from doom 1 and it's not an improvement
It's different sure, but I wouldn't say it's all a downgrade.

>but critical switches and paths being much more hidden
Like which?

>nightmare imps/spectres get their names from the fact they represent nightmare difficulty speed in non nightmare modes

>>5895159
hang this man

>>5895078
Just realized weapon animations in gdx are at lower frame rate than in fresh supply.

DTWID and its sequels are typical "anon tries to understand how the big guys do it" mapsets. They try hard, but eventually their "work" is just a weak parody of the original.

>>5894838
Choose a different pic next time
Cats are no longer attractive to 4chan

>>5889937
>Cubemap support
Is this guy crazy or what

>>5895406
but nightmare specters go just as fast as any other demon?

>>5895424
Didn't you get laughed out the last time you said this?

>hopping around nonchalantly in the mech
>somebody fucking headshot snipes me mid-air in one of the smaller repeated 'hops'
accuracy of the gods

Are there any maps that use animated skies like in a few of PSX doom's hell maps? It's really atmospheric.

>>5895463
Chex Quest 3 uses it pretty well.

>die 3 quarters of the way through a slaughterfest sandwiched between a million gorilla retards because the only weapons you have that deal decent damage are all explosive
cool.

10/10 music
10/10 visuals
5/10 gameplay

>>5895547
Get the damage up and just position yourself so it blows you back toward a vent.

>>5895547
i wish i was sandwiched between shelly, ha ha

>>5895153
Apples and Oranges

>>5895547
brainlet

>>5895579
rivets and nails

for some reason the end cutscene for Infermo isnt playing, does anybody know why?

Nay y'all niggas wanna buy a stone slab?

>>5895667
What source port? What version (if a release, try a devbuild and vice versa)? Are you using mods? Are you making a mod?

>>5895686
Looks neat,Doom 3 did something like that as an Easter egg
Be sure to charge that phone,anon

>>5889752
CHex Quest but it got a port to the N64!

>>5895709
lzdoom/gzdoom vintage, sorry I didnt say first

Any monster sound mods for Hideous destructor? Most don't seems to work
I'd like doom 3 type monster sounds

>>5894431
welp

>>5895686
Good to see the Flinstones can now play Doom.

>>5889752
Hey, when did LZdoom get released, and what happened to QZDoom?

>>5895728
Hm, release download works for me, but the devbuild just resets the map after the text screen. Make a bug report post on the forums, I guess.
>>5895741
QZDoom was integrated into GZDoom, you can now choose between hardware, original software, true color software, softpoly (like polymost) and true color polymost renderers, with varying degrees of feature completeness like models and dynamic lights. LZDoom is based on an older fork of GZDoom for Albanian computers. No idea about the timeframe of this.

>>5895582
Shamblers and Viles.

>>5895757
>Hm, release download works for me, but the devbuild just resets the map after the text screen. Make a bug report post on the forums, I guess.
yeah I'm using the dev release, where exactly do I make the bug report, here?
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=231&t=62157

>>5895686
>retro stone slab
I'll say. What's the idea here? It's a slab of stone, which they painted the original cover on? Why get this over a framed poster?

>>5895738
YAAAAAABBA DABBA DOOOOOM!

>>5895738
>the SSG is replaced with a tiny pterodactyl with really violent acid reflux
>shoots out in several pellets that buns its victims to death
>as Fred loads two more shots in its ass it says "Eh, it's a livin'."

>>5895771
Make a new topic here: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=334
Mention the devbuild version and that it works in the release.

>>5895781
Sounds good to me.

>>5895781
it's probably a bit late to make a straightfoward mod based on flintstones and most people expect siivagunner references from it

>>5893936
Seeing that I just realized that now we have supercomputers from back then in our houses

>>5895779
They're the Hellstones
From the
Town of Dis

>>5895547
>mfw shelly gangrape

>>5895857
Pretty sure super computers from back then fit in our phones.

>>5896278
I can fit my phone in your mom


/B)

What actually is a wad.

>>5896289
you still use a razor?
Nice

>>5896291
it's basically just a bunch of files grouped up into one file thats got some data at the beginning listing what files and how big and such are in it

>>5896302
So basically it's a bunch of Data?

Well, Where is All of it?

>>5896302
So just a pack that activates the files inside counts as a wad?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9NnunGCQFs
D4V with Chocolate Doom looks pretty good.

https://twitter.com/S20_TBL/status/1174623277462867968

>>5895547
The Ion Bow actually fucks. You can one-shot those guys with the half charge or mow down a handful with the full charge.

>>5896363
>champions ranger
>nuwang

>>5896363
>name on every picture
That's not gonna work

>>5896363
everytime its nuwang wtf. did all of these artists get together and agree to not draw the classic lo wang in these group pictures.

>>5896363
is caleb drinking milk?

Never played an FPS before and I wanna make Doom my first. Don't like using mouse. Can someone suggest a good key binding layout?

>>5895547
Replayability: Nah/10
Feels bad, man.

>>5895547
git gud

>>5896406
>never played an FPS before
>don't like using mouse
ok have fun making it far more tedious than it needs to be
the default keybinds in the DOS version work fine without a mouse

>>5896406
W for up, S for down, A to strafe left, D to strafe right
arrow keys for looking around
shift to shoot
space to interact

Quake might be the closest thing to a perfect game that I've ever played. It's like a 9.9/10

>>5893976
Too many gimmicky funhouse-esque levels

>>5896449
Are Spawns the missing 0.1?

>>5896459
No, it's the "bosses". I never had too much trouble with Spawns, outside of that one maze level with far too many of them.

>>5896390
Its not like the old lo wang had buck teeth and glasses or anything, i dont get what the issue is

You always see people praise Ion Fury's level design. Now im not gonna say its bad. Its actually universally good. But is it really GREAT? The texturing, detailing, & effects are certainly better than any original Build game. But if you actually compare the level layouts, Ion Fury is just okay. It never reaches the heights of levels like The Overlooked Hotel. Most levels are actually pretty linear and straight-forward. And the seamless levels / hub system seems really underused, you literally only ever have to revisit a level once.

>>5896449
Agreed
to me the only flaw is Sandy's levels. Fuck that guy.
>>5896476
Everyone knows what you're trying to do. You won't change anyone's opinions..

>>5895443
Who cares what basement dwellers who know shit about video game design and live in their ivory towers laugh at?

>>5896476
IMO, Iron Fury can be a bit overdetailed at times.

>>5896484
Sandy's levels were the most interesting out of Quake, in my eyes. If they didnt have the spawns, I'd actually call E4 my favourite.

>>5896493
To me they're ugly, confusing, and uninspired. Just a series of long hallways, corridors, and weird ass ugly rooms. I know he was aiming for something much more 'abstract' but, damn, it was executed so badly. I got no problem with Spawns though.

>>5896493
t. Sandy Petersen

>>5896484
>to me the only flaw is Sandy's levels. Fuck that guy.
The fuck is wrong with you? Sandy's levels are great. He was the only dev who actually expected the player to be more skilled than a blind mole rat and the only one whose levels were designed and placed in a specific order instead of all being made and tested from a shotgun start and placed willy-nilly. Loads of cool set-pieces, too.

>>5896486
>who know shit about video game design and live in their ivory towers
Are you projecting?

>>5896495
>uninspired
That describes pretty much all of Tim Willits levels, IMO.

Shit on Sandy's levels all you want, but you can't deny that the fake pool in Tower of Despair got you good

>>5896484
Theres no conspiracy m8, just voicing my opinion. I feel the general public's view on the level design is colored more by the visuals and scale than the actual layout.

>>5896497
Massive, braindead hallways with nearly no incentive for dynamic movement sure require a lot of skill, mate. Can dodge all enemy attacks really easily. Episode 4 is only difficult when Sandy Shiterson spams Spawns and Shamblers with no cover.

>>5896513
It would get you better if Romero hadn't liked it so much that he made it the entrance to episode 4 in the start map, ruining the surprise.

>>5896551
damn, good point

Hello, new quakeworld player here.

Does anyone know how to make my LG beam a straight line? Not fakeshaft (LG on crosshair), but the actual texture of the beam itself. The lightning sperging around is fucking ugly and distracting and I'd like something like one of the vq3 options which just looked like a straight laserbeam.

>>5890704
>most opinions I've found ranged from "it's okay" to "it's fucking amazing"

Were you looking at newsgroup posts from 1997 or something

>>5890704
I like two out of two but TNT has that atmosphere that gets me going and fills me with nostalgia. It's _______comfy.

Which maps/mappers are the closest to Romero's E4/E5 style?

>>5896691
It's a lightning gun, not a laser gun. Are you sure you're playing the right game? I'd learn movement and map control if I were you.

I was listening to certain Nine Inch Nails songs in movies and found this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu9bm-RJMWM
Is it me or are those Ranger's HUH around 1:48?

>>5896363
>Nu-Wang
>Nu-Ranger

Into the trash

What is this user agreement shit in hideous destructor? I can't use my rifle??
this is taking realism a bit too far

>>5896406
Honestly you want a gamepad.

I'm loving the story Marathon has going for it, especially with Durandal, but I don't think I can handle its clunky gameplay or level design much longer. Does 2 improve on it or am I better just skipping it all?

>>5896820
from what i gather, unsealed mags mess up the guns ammo counter
enjoy your space-age piece-of-shit

>>5896449
I agree. It really is phenomenal, particularly for being such a rushed compromise that left everyone with a bitter taste in their mouth at the time.

>>5896451
Those are the best parts of Doom 2.

>>5896467
I agree, the only thing that Quake really needed was some more proper bossfights.

>>5896816
isn't nu-ranger just old-ranger with a two tone helmet?

>>5896820
It's a joke, essentially, how in a dystopian future even a gun might have invasive bullshit DRM.
To get rid of the problem, throw your current ZM66 away next time you find one, and then try to stick to magazines which visibly show a red seal on top.

Optionally, go find a Vulcanette, it doesn't give a fuck about DRM or anything, or the condition of the magazines, and gladly just eats and spits out dud cartridges. It's heavy, though.

>>5896484
Fuck you, Sandy's great.