/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT EVENTS ===

[Highway to Hell] TerminusEst is waiting for map submissions, yet to make a formal post

[Til 4-17] QUMP mapping deadline currently extended to the 17th of April
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zlfb2U2VCeS70uS6Klc2ZEOC9KtnYyCyBXEmeetjh0c/edit

=== NEWS ===

[4-1] April Fools: BTSX Episode 3 beta
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/93570-the-dwmegawad-club-plays-back-to-saturn-x-e3-surprise/

[3-31] Kinsie has released MetaDoom 3.2
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=53010&p=987829#p987829

[3-31] Doom 64 Retribution released; a port of D64 to GZDoom that isn't dogshit
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=55039

[3-31] Quake Champions beta to begin on April 6th
https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/30/quake-champions-beta-begins-april-6th/

[3-30] Intermission E2M1 released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5XaOCWRZXw

[3-25] Poharex: Second Invasion alpha released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=55797

[3-25] Stewboy released some of his MIDI files
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/93428-releasing-some-midi-files-ancient-aliens-resurgence/

[3-24] ZDoom LE 2.8.1a released; a fork for older computers
https://github.com/drfrag666/ZDoom-LE/releases/tag/2.8.1a

[3-23] First SLADE dev build released in over a year
https://devbuilds.drdteam.org/slade/
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=24955&p=986207

[3-20]Waterlabs GZD Released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=55741

[3-20] GZDoom 2.4.0 and QZDoom 1.3.0 released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=55739

[3-20] French speedmapping project 3 Heures d'Agonie 3 has been released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/93359-3-heures-dagonie-3-rc1/

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=== PROTIP ===

If you would like to submit any news or your personal map or mod releases here, please reply/backlink to this post.

Have you guys ever played Doom before?

>>3901195
Nah, I've only played Strife.

>>3901195
Doom is for basement dwelling neckbeard virgins fyi

>>3901195
What's a doom?

>>3901203
What's a space marine?

>>3901203
The opposite of a mood

>>3901194
Ah shit, forgot to mention DooW in there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfumR3EMUlw

How the fuck does inheritance works with multiple files?

If zaneion, revae or someone else who knows is lurking: What's the best way of getting a GoldSrc .mdl into Blender to render into sprites? The skeleton rig breaks if I use noesis to convert to to most formats I can import into Blender like MD5 and Source/Unreal formats, and I can't find an MD3 or unconverted .mdl importer.

I feel bad that MetaDoom is so unpopular, but at the same time, i fear that it could spawn a group of people thinking it's the "proper" way to play Doom like they do it with Brutal Doom.

>>3901218
Do you mean multiple text files within the same archive or multiple simultaneously loaded archives (pk3s)?

>>3901225
Multiple archives.

>>3901227
As far as I know, you can inherit from archives loaded before the current one. I don't know if you can go recursive/back and forth (not that you'd want to).

It gets a bit more complicated if there's a combination of zscript and decorate.

Whats the difference between working on ZDoom and GZDoom? Wanted to start making scripted mods, but dont know if theres any difference to their tutorials.

>>3901194
>[Highway to Hell] TerminusEst is waiting for map submissions, yet to make a formal post
I'm currently working on a city map for Highway to Hell. It's gotten pretty big.

Might try doing a smaller second map later..

>>3901251

>Doom 64 Retribution

So do I play this, or Doom 64 EX? I haven't played Doom 64 yet

>>3901239
GZDoom has a more developed renderer and coding for portals.

>>3901256
If you already use GZDoom then Retribution would be the more practical choice.

But keep in mind it's a work in progress. It's missing a few things, but it can only get better from here.

>>3901261
I don't mind installing Doom 64EX

But if Retribution is a WIP and will end up being better than 64EX, I don't mind waiting.

What the hell do argent cores do in Metadoom?

>>3901239
GZDoom has 100% of what Zdoom has and more.

Historically, the difference was that GZDoom was ZDoom with a (default but optional) true 3D OpenGL renderer, allowing features like sloping 3d floors, use of 3d models and advanced lighting effects among other things.

However, ZDoom has officially ceased development since randi, it's main dev, left the community. So if you want to keep up with modern (vastly accelerated) features even if you're targeting the software renderer, you'll want to use and mod for GZDoom which continues to be developed.

>>3901265
>>3901256
Doom 64 Ex is outstandingly good.

You'll want to tinker with the framerate and interpolation settings to get it to flow nicely like a modern game though.

>>3901220
Zanieon here, i never worked with GoldSrc .mdl models and i don't think there's an easy way to import them properly into Blender, if it was Source Engine the case would be pretty different.

>>3901296
Are there any intermediate formats you think could work? Or some idea on what makes the skeleton break into pic related (watching the animations with it is nightmare fuel)

DECORATE, ACS or ZSript?

>>3901298
Generally when i have to circunvent direct import in Blender like this situation i try use FBX or MD5.

>>3901302
DECORATE + ACS if you want Zandronum compatibility but if you don't care about it then ZScript all the way

>>3901307
>FBX
Problem is blender refuses the apparently outdated fbx version noesis puts out.

>MD5
Much better track record with this. But only works on some models.

>>3901231
Yes, that's how I expect it would work. However, for some otherworldly reason, it does not.

>>>/vg/

Happy 1st doombaby anniversary.
Have you evolved from being a doombaby?

>>3901321
Can you try launching it with ZDL instead and see what happens?

>>3901348
Exactly the same thing happens.

>>3901342
Ye, now I am a doomteen/doomager.

>>3901372
That's really weird. Inheriting across pk3's works for me; I just checked.
There must be something fucked up with either of your archives. If you comment out StrangeFDPlustFist and launch, does the standard FDPlutfist exist in the game?

>>3901379
>If you comment out StrangeFDPlustFist and launch, does the standard FDPlutfist exist in the game?
It does.

>>3901379
>>3901385
Wait, no. It's gone if I load it with now empty archive, despite the fact that it's here if I load just final doomer.

>>3901393
I think you'll have to upload/link both of your archives at this point to get help.

>>3901210
WHAT IS A SPACE MARINE?

Playing Turok 1 right now. Are the keys with the infinity sign on them required to finish the game?

>>3901404
Wait think I figured it out.
There was a file in my pk3 with same name as the one in FD, which apparently unloaded all plutfist code despite it not being included in my pk3 at all.
Lesson learned.

>>3901256
EX is more authentic, but Retribution's not a bad second choice if you don't want to mess with a new source port.

these guys

lithium needs more weapons

>>3901508
well shit

>>3901514
& forgot pic

>>3901521
which wad?? I wanna fight ettins

>>3901521
also the binocular thing is trash, it needs to go

>>3901527
basically said it

>>3901532
just like my matrix/zombies movies

>>3901539
forgot again

>>3901543
& over here's a useless part of the map someone made for the lulz

>>3900327
Looks like smooth doom makes use of them, neat

>>3901547
now we go into the breach

>>3901532
At least it's not as bad as modal rifle.

>>3901552
& straight into the bonezone.

>>3901553
i like the burst fire, it puts down HKs quick

>>3901559
one or the sources of the evil

>>3901563
dammit medusa, why won't u die?

You know what WADS piss me off? The ones that move your position every time you shoot your weapons. Why do they add in that feature? I just wanna shoot not have to constantly use mouselook.

>>3901570
never was into snake girls

>>3901574
>Why do they add in that feature?
Because that's what recoil does?

>>3901581
if that's the case then they should've added in recoil in vanilla doom

>>3901578
>after an exit & obstacle later, i slaughter imps

>>3901586
pretty sure that the mods way of being "realistic"

>>3901587
OwO what's this?

>>3901586
Nah.

>>3901598
this is some serious sam shit right here

>>3901598
But it is (more) realistic

>>3901606
you're in the wrong game, friendo

>>3901612
this is gonna take a minute

>>3901617
screwing it, i'm kiting them

>>3901619
it'd be nice if those things didn't shmup me

>>3901269
Argent Cores = BFG Ammo.

>>3901296
Look for Jed's Half-Life Model Viewer, it contains a model decompiler that kicks out the same file formats you're familiar with from HL2 models.

>>3901628
6^3 years later

>>3901251
I love city maps. Probably a big part of why I love Duke Nukem 3D so much.

>try playing MetaDoom and Reelism at the same time
>it spawns a random grab bag of monsters at the beginning of each game

It breaks the weapon drops, though.

Has anybody ever imported the weapons/textures from Marathon into Doom?

>>3901769
Every texture ever has found its way into doom. Especially the ones from its peer FPS games.

>>3901769
>marathon weapons
yes Samsara has them

>>3901769
>weapons
Yes.

>textures
No.

>>3901636
this
you can pirate a copy of milkshape 3D as well

>>3901193
never before has an image I even so much as cropped been used in the op

>>3901636
I tried it but had no luck. However, I finally got the fucking thing into blender by, bizarrely enough, exporting an MD5 mesh and a Source engine animation file simultaneously from noesis then importing them one after another in blender.

Now I'll look into replacing the gun mesh and learning how to render this shit as a sprite with minimum headache.

Was this posted here yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t5LKWP-oZY

Anybody know why the FUCK multiplayer wads tend to be in the size of retarded, Like 100-120mb for a 5 map pack? Do Invasion mods really need to download the entirety of realm 666 to run?

>>3901839
>Do Invasion mods really need to download the entirety of realm 666 to run?

When they're made by folks who are creatively bankrupt, sure

>>3901839
>multiplayer wads tend to be... like 100-120mb for a 5 map pack?
>Do Invasion mods really need to download the entirety of realm 666 to run?

Do these wads have custom music? If so, I'd bet that's a big contributor to filesize.

All right, Highway to Hell.
Here's the rub. The deadline for mapping's passed already. But I asked a lot of folks how their map was coming along and...well, for the most part, it was dead silence.
So I know I've been supposed to make an announcement post, but I wasn't really sure what to announce, since the status has basically been the same since mid-February.

I think it's safe to say the whole deadline thing isn't really working at all. It worked great in DUMP 1/2/3, but this is...different. There's not really anything to push people to work on a deadline this time around. With previous iterations there was this big community feel-good rah-rah solidarity, with this we're doing things a little more meticulously, which doesn't fit the impending dread of a deadline looming over.
This past several deadlines I've spent the time working on four new maps with shitty STARTAN layouts and no decoration/detail, so I can't really say I've been helping with that either!

So what's this mean for Highway to Hell? Well, outside of case exceptions (i.e. talking to people directly about it or the people that are still interested in it), I think submissions will be closed. If you're stuck on something, send it on over and we can tweak it as needed, and if you're still working on something, well, keep on working on it and you can submit it later.
But we've already got a nice haul of half-finished maps submitted, and if folks aren't interested in tweaking/updating them, then me and a couple friends should probably take matters into our own hands and smooth things over ourselves instead of continuing on waiting.

Thanks for your hard work, everybody.

>>3901221
I don't think that's a rather valid fear. It's a lot of fun yeah, but it isn't ever going to have the same pull or effect as Brutal Doom had.

Imagine if Id Software hired SgtMarkIV to work on a new Doom

>>3901910
the new rott guys hired him to consult on it, and near as i can tell his contributions essentially amounted to zero

>>3901930
Do they know about his "skills" as a designer/programmer?

>>3901935

We should totally convince him to convert BD to ZScript. The trainwreck that would cause would be glorious.

>>3901965
>0.L

>>3901971
L.0.L

>>3901965
>inb4 he steals a bunch of code from someone else

>>3901935
>>3901965
>>3901971
So it is true that success breeds jealousy...

Do not respond or engage. Report and hide.

>>3901991
Nothing ITT is report worthy. Unless your post counts as announcing a report.

If Kinsie is here, can the D64 Mancubus for MetaDoom be named "Behemoth"?

I just think it's a cooler name than "Druj".

>>3902007
Does it really matter?

>>3901987
your parents should know

>https://pastebin.com/EzwyW330
The dropbox link is dead, what can I do? Chocolate DOOM audio hitches are annoying enough that I'd prefer to use DOSBox over it but I cannot find the original .exes

What the best way to play Blood? Is there a decent port with mouselook? I heard a while ago that the guy who made doom64EX was working on it.

>>3902027
DOSbox SVN Daum version with BMOUSE.exe
Build engine games natively support mouselook but BMOUSE makes it better

>>3902027
>What the best way to play Blood?
install a virtual machine and get it to run windows98

>>3902036

As long as you can get bmouse working with it. Build support for mouselook is shit; it basically looks at mouse input on the x & y axes, then takes the larger, and only the larger, of the two values to determine whether your horizontal or vertical aim is going to be changed,

>>3901251
Is that The Battery? If so, fucking neato, man.

>"Use us! ^_^"
soulcube is cute! CUTE!

>>3902090
really diggin the look the gauss has in that mod. really captured that same busy overdesigned look the BFG had

When are we going to have a Hexen Upstart Mapping Contest?

Otherwise known as HUMP

>>3902090

soulcube not for sexual

>>3902143

>mappers giving a shit about non-Doom
>ever

You can list off the quality Hexen & Strife map packs on the fingers of one hand. Combined. Heretic's a bit better in that respect; you have the 3-episode Heretic Treasure Chest and the E1 replacement History of Fruit, and, well... yeah, that's about it.

>>3902154
there's shadow of chronos

also shit tons of maps on this random site I go on, but I'm not too assured on their quality because I don't have the time to skim through hundreds of them just to find out if they're recommendable.

>>3902182
should've known I would forget to submit that alongside the godforsaken link
http://www.arcades3d.net/mapas/mostmapas.php?peich=1&juego=heretic&dificultad=0&abc=0

>Scythe map 10 death exit
>Straight into map 11

JESUS CHRIST.

>>3901898
Still working on mine. Decided to add skull orbs.

I will post it your way upon request.

If I use resources from R667 does that make me a plebian?

>>3902213

Only if you don't edit them. And believe me, you'll need to. Way too many of those enemies have fucking absurd damage output. Also, a lot of the actors have very old code that can be handled better today with user variables, anonymous functions, etc.

>>3902213
Yes and no. Some of them are from the old resource wads, some from Skulltag, if you use those you should be fine.

>>3901203
It's like Chex Quest but for big kids

>>3902221
>>3902213
speaking of the devil I'm trying to figure these >>3902203
out myself. so we'll see. This should be straightforward as I'm attempting to debug it and spawn a radsuit:

script 5
{
Thing_Spawn(169, 2025, 192, 1212)
}

Once I figure this out, then I can use them proper.

I will attempt to lend a hand with some of the maps as best I can.

>>3902229
>I will attempt to lend a hand with some of the maps as best I can.
please don't, thanks

>>3902239
Fuck's your problem?

>>3902229

Uh, you DO know named scripts exist, right? Right?

>>3902246
Yes? This doesn't change the fact that naming them is pointless if they don't function in the first place.

>>3902241
if your e1m8 is an indicator of your mapping ability, you should be forbidden from touching other people's maps

i m o

>>3902254
Look at all these playtesters and feedback I ha-
Oh wait.

It would be useful for the sake of practice. I get where you're coming from, all said and done however, I'm still trying to get hands on things.

>>3902258
>Look at all these playtesters and feedback I ha-
>Oh wait.
what does that have to do with anything???

>>3902276
Conversations with Sarais in a nutshell, really.
Just ignore him.

>>3901195
>>3901201
>>3901202
>>3901203
>>3901210
>>3901212
>>3901215
Jesus could fuckhole be more reddit? And that's only the fucking beginning of this gigantic faggot thread.

>Mentions him at EVERY fucking oppertunity
>(((I-I-I-I'M))) NOT AN ATTENTION WHORE, I SWEAR!

>>3902278
Follow your own advice.

>>3902281
Looks like we got ourselves a cool kid. What's the matter? Disillusioned after your first week on the 4chins?

>>3902285
>>3902283
Goodness, someone's upset.

Forgot a few.

>>3902281
>>3902283
>>3902285
>only one post mentioning Sarais at all in the entire thread
>this much of a tanty over it
Damn, dude.

>>3902296
Second one wasn't me.

And I'm fucking tired of drama here. Namedropping someone like that is /sthg/ level behavior.

What on earth is going on here, and why does it not involve screaming revenants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh261nfSn3E

>>3902283
>>3902285
Heh.
Never change, you bloody sperg.

>>3902303
Someone let the tards out of their padded cells again.

Does /vr/ not do its own server anymore?

>>3902307
Nope. We haven't had our own servers for quite some time, especially with the sad state that Zandronum's in.

>>3902313
Do you mean the lack of players? Or is something wrong with modern Zandronum?

>>3902315
Zandronum's stale and has been stuck in 2.1.2/3.0 beta hell for quite some time, the mods coming out are mostly rehashes or add-ons for old stuff, and the playerbase has gotten autistic as can be.

>>3902303
>skip to random point in video
>two isolated Revenants slapping eachother
Okay, you got a slight chuckle out of me, I'll give you that.

>>3902307
Best-Ever is kill and Zandronum, simply put, is falling behind fast and there's no OC to keep it fresh.

Wait, who the fuck was sperging out about me? I'm just trying to get this dumb thing working.
>>3902276
Everything?

>>3902320

Shit, Why was Best Ever killed? Too much download costs?

Weren't there people asking for Cyberpunk / Vaporwave maps a while ago?

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/s-u/uplink15

I just had a horrible thought.

What if PewDiePie, with his horrible taste in horror stuff, found Rootpain?

>>3902328
jenova wanted some people banned and threatened to shut down BE if they didn't

they didn't

jenova shut down BE

>>3902326
Someone found >>3902276 >>3902278 INCREDIBLY OFFENSIVE and decided to get all pissy on your behalf, looks like.

>>3902340
I can only imagine what drama made that necessary.

>>3902335
no one here would care
anyone who tried to post about it would be directed to /v/
/pol/ would probably jack off to it
the braindead fuckwit who made that probably wouldn't care, assuming they aren't already dead

>>3902307
If we had a server, what would we play?

Co-op cool wads? I'd be down for some Ayyliums Vendetta or Scythe 2 co-op. Or Thunder Peak or something.

Or, perhaps deathmatch?

Gameplay modded Doom never works well in multiplayer, unless it's Complex Doom which is a clusterfuck where you will never have any idea what's going on.

Somebody suggested a /vr/ HQ map and that sounds comfy even though it also sounds retarded.

>>3902342
basically, decay and mobius are pretty shitty people

but holding your own server host hostage along with all of the playerbase is shittier

>>3902307
I've played Quake a few times with /v/ never anything with /vr/ though.

>>3902335
>Pewdiepie
>Rootpain?

PDP's audience doesn't really watch him for the games he plays, they watch it for his ''''personality''''. You can see this in action when you look at how little a game's sales are influenced when he plays one. I doubt there'd be some horrific influx of cancerous little shits.

>>3902346

I'd love some Reelism multiplayer.

>>3902346

Scythe 2 is a classic. I've played it so often I know almost all the maps by heart now, though.

>>3902346
Samsara, Wrath of Cronos, Shotgun Frenzy, anything that is coop friendly.

>>3902346

Give me the latter half of Going Down, Slaughter maps are a sexual experience with friends.

>>3902349
You missed out. /vr/'s doom server was a great deal of fun. I got quite a sampling of mods with a bunch of cool people, going there.

I've also played Duke Nukem 3D with /v/, and that was pretty fukin amazing considering I missed out on dukematching back in the day.

>>3902341
Well okay then? I don't need people defending me for no raisin.

>>3902346
A /vr/ hq would be splendidly retarded. Maybe make it a megawad hub, complete maps, come back to the hub, get new weapons, items, and all sorts of shit while unlocking new areas and the like.

>>3902356
Was it online with the megaton edition a few months back? I was the guy that would hide behind the poster in E1M1 and shoot people with rockets.

>>3902346
Back to Saturn X co-op would be some good shit.

>>3902335
Didn't he already play >Ghoul's Forest or Happy Time Circus?

>>3902365
>ghouls forest
Too cutmanmikey.
>Happy time Circus
250 GB OF RAM!

>>3902346
I always had the most fun when we had a deathmatch server with a little bit of Whodunit sprinked in

>>3902368
Joking aside, no. He wouldn't touch HTC because it's actual quality
>that fucking DAISY encounter

>>3902307
I used to host them sometimes but I've been AWOL for a while

>I'm in a S'AraisVanu map
kill me please

>>3902360
>Was it online with the megaton edition a few months back?
I wish, I guess I wasn't there for that one. I haven't had a chance to play Megaton with /v/ sadly.

So if Zandronum is out of date, is there a way to hack (g)Zdoom or Boom to play friendly over hamachi or something?

>>3902372
Well if you did it tonight I'd certainly play.

>>3902378
>GZDoom with Hamachi

...My knee-jerk reaction is no, but I honestly haven't tried it.
It might be worth a shot.

>>3902375

>>3901769
You can play as the Security Officer in Samsara

>>3902346
HQ mods are retarded but that's why I like them. It's an excuse to just do whatever the hell you want.

Every now and then I load up Shadow Mavericks just to revel in the sheer amount of insane bullshit they put in there

>>3902375

>>3902370
>my shitty toaster lagged to hell in HTC years ago
>the Daisy scene happens
>framerate is so low and janky that I can't even tell what's happening
>every now and then I catch a glimpse of a huge rabbit head and then suddenly almost all my health is gone

That honestly made it even scarier. It was like a fucked up fever dream.

>>3902380
any suggestions for gameplay or maps?

was thinking of Going Down co-op

>>3902370
The original is pretty bad, but the sequel is really, really good.

>>3902378
>>3902382
The interesting GZDoom gameplay mods are not written to work in multiplayer anyway.

>>3902380
>>3902372
We need to make a dedicated co-op serber again. What should be in the map rotation?

Obvious shit:
Scythe 2
Alien Vendetta
Going Down
Back to Saturn X

Mite B Cool:
Ancient Aliens
Thunder Peak
Brotherhood of Ruin
Swim With The Whales
Valiant

>>3902425
I'm up for whatever you guys think is fun. I still consider my self a wad novice.

>>3902425
Scythe 2 / Alien Vendetta co-op would really get my Skulltag nostalgia going.

...but people are probably really fucking tired of those maps.

>>3902432

DTWID

>>3902432
I fucking love the Shotgun Frenzy maps. But maybe that's an acquired taste.

>>3902425
>>3902432
>>3902434
I actually think Jenesis co-op would be fucking great

Does DoomRLA work on Zandro 3.0? Co-op with that sounds really nifty, having a friend whose build you can play off.

Probably wouldn't work very well for a public session, but a private one between two players could be fun.

>>3902383
>>3902416
Still as funny as the day I showed it off to you fuckers.

>>3902412
SM is probably why I'm such a pretentious faggotlorde.

>>3902449
Last I checked DoomRLA doesn't play nicely with multiplayer, given that it's held together with piss and duck tape and Terms Tears.

>>3902454
ah yeah that's a shame

I suppose I could try it with a friend and roll with whatever breaks . I once did Ghouls Vs Humans co-op years ago just as an experiment to see how terribly it would break. It got very strange very fast.

>>3902454
I got it to work when I was playing with a friend once.

Current e1m8; looking for pointers on where to place my focus next.

>>3902464
When can I stop being a potato?

What sort of retarded shit would be in a /vr/HQ? Other than lots and lots of fucking memes and lots and lots of ripped assets, naturally.

>>3902469
>A secret has been revealed!

>>3902469
Disjointed hub map with multiple mappers with their own rooms where they put whatever the fuck they like in it?

>>3902432
sunlust

>>3902469
Probably lots of this sort of thing.

>>3902432
stronghold

help

Somebody stream pls I need something to fall asleep to

Mapping, playing through wads, whatever.

>>3902496
Interesting take on the golden midget revenants.

>>3902469
This mean son of a bitch greets you at the front door.

>Script runs, but the ballsack doesn't go in the ballholder
Gay? Oh well, halfway there.

>>3902496

It's reelism 4 featuring demonsteele.

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>>3902496
>Reelism
>DoomRLA
>Brutal Doom
>DemonSteele
>Meta Doom
>Project MSX
>Russian Overkill

Anything I'm missing?

Are there any mods that give you friendly minions?

I know there's a few console commands like that, but I mean slightly more incorporated into gameplay.

>>3902503
Dear god, It's the Skullking.

>>3902509

You actually got them all. What the fuck?

>>3902508
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!
It ain't gonna suck itself. Come here, you.

>>3902510
I can't believe I'm saying this, but SgtMarkIV made something called Brutal Friends. It replaces invisibility spheres teleport beacon items. Using one summons a random character to fight alongside you for the remainder of that map until they are killed.

You can also call them through the console if you want to keep one around forever. This is important to note, because they don't follow you into the next level.

OK, server is up, loaded Going Down with Combined Arms

[TSPG] Painkiller: Testan

get in here boyos

>>3902525
Yeah, I kinda suspected that pathing would prevent it from being the most efficient gameplay element. Thanks, I'll check it out.

>>3901831
>they dont like dead simple clones
>doom is technically a war crime
Watched the whole thing and overall it was entertaining to listen to. I know a lot of research went into DtWID, and it's nice to learn a lot of that stuff, might even pistol start doom 2 just to really see if it's a different expirience

Also, one guy played through all of maximum doom? holy shit the absolute madman, if they continue this that would be a great topic for an episode or at least a segment

>>3902449
DRLA does not work with Zandy. It might run, but it's not designed for it, I don't even know what might happen.
And yeah, coop is super fun.

>>3902454
First things first.
It's held together much better than that string of molecules you call a brain.

Second, it works absolutely fine in multiplayer, and is even designed for it.

>>3902531
Fuck me does the one on the left look awful.

>>3902526
I'll be there.

>>3902531
So this is supposed to be one of those "before and after" makeovers, right?
Cause damn does it look better without filters.

This is your brain.

And you're not?

>>3902542
And this is your brain on filters. Any questions?

>>3902510
Currently in Hunter's Moon there is Zanieon's NPC that helps you in the slaughterfest wads or large maps but i'm not sure if i would call him a friendly "minion" cuz he's like 30x times bigger than you, lol.

>>3902546
Kiss me.

>>3902547
>30x bigger

What the fuck does he eat

>>3902542
>>3902546
Do it with Caco's grin pls

http://doommonsters.tumblr.com/post/159167582412

wow i didn't know doommonsters covered hunter's moon

>>3902554

>>3902530
Also something fun I learned to do was to make a bind like this:

bind [key] "kill [monster]; summonmbf [monster]"

Now see, what you do is pick out a monster that will never actually appear in the levels you're playing, like a ZDoom Marine, or an SS Nazi, something from Skulltag, or Realm667, whatever you want.

So then what happens is that bind calls a friendly monster, but first kills every instance of him. This creates the illusion of you recalling a single character to your side.

>>3902554
hehhhhhh

>>3902551
Never though on that too much, Tamers already have a weird design anyway, lol.

>>3902554
NOICE!

>>3902554
ㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎ

>>3902556
kek

>>3902546
What's your P-P-POINT!

>>3902526
help

>>3902432
Speed of Doom
Resurgence

>>3902546
is there a doom monster as useless as the arachnotron?

>>3902570

When in doubt, update to latest devbuild. Unless the creator of the mod you're playing is a complete fuckup, updating should fix the issue.

>ProjectileKickback
Goddamn, that was added years ago anon

>>3902581
>arachnotron
>useless

They're a perfect choice for turrets in open maps, what are you on about?

>>3901508
>>3901521
>>3901532
>>3901539
>>3901543
>>3901547
>>3901548
>>3901552
>>3901559
>>3901563
>>3901570
>>3901578
>>3901587
>>3901598
>>3901606
>>3901612
>>3901617
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>>3901628
>>3901639

What WAD? >>3901527

>>3902570
>>3902583

Nevermind; didn't notice you're running Zandronum. Zand has always been years out of date with ZD codebase.

>>3902586

Lithium

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=54904

>>3902585
that sounds very niche to me

besides, chaingunners fill that role better

>>3902590
arachnotrons are massively underutilised.. there is no other monster capable of laying down a constant stream of fire at long range like they can. Chaingunners cannot be dodged at range so therefore dont encourage player movement. Chaingunners are also usually a priority kill whereas a spider will be left spraying plasma all over the map for far longer

>>3902583
>>3902587
He's using Zandronum 2.1.2.
Use Zandronum 3.0.

>>3902365

Yes he did, and that's precisely the reason why anything Ghoulsy got so popular

>>3902482

Brutal Doom is great! Even Romero loves it! You guys are just jelly of Sgt. Mark!

>>3902609
ghouls had been popular loooong before pdp played it

>>3902589
The previous anon was asking about the ettins/mapset and I am too.

I don't know if these are better or worse textures.

Slope tooth quality also dubious.

>>3902618

Fucking hell, it's like you force-fed all of doom's textures to a fat kid and then punched in his gut, causing him to vomit it all back up.

>>3902628

>>3902628
offend your eyes with more

transparent archviles inside of inaccessible columns in red warped sksnake pits is mapping heresy

ANNOYING PLASMA SOUND

>>3902651
>>3902649
>>3902645
>>3902618

Yes, please do not touch any of the other maps, thanks.

>>3902654
I will not offer mapping slavery.

>>3902618

>burgundy meltfaces under dark grey ribcage
>organs
>bright red lights
>flesh/tech fusion
>desat green techwall on with more saturated green
>bright green metal on dark grey hex tiles
>static-y monitors
>grey stone
>tan techpipes

>ALL IN THE SPAWN OF A FEW FEET GODDAMN

>I don't know if these are better or worse textures.
>I don't know
>better
>or
>worse
>I
>don't
>know

>>3902590
>besides, chaingunners fill that role better

Except after a certain distance, their bullets don't even register anymore.

>>3902668
Don't bother, he's been ignoring all criticism ever since he first started.

>>3902668
I remember when people first criticized the static-y monitors.
Man, that takes me back.

>>3902618

>I don't know if these are better or worse textures.

Don't worry, it's neither! Because you've been consistently terrible! Seriously, if I stuck texture names to a dartboard and had a chimpanzee suffering from chronic traumatic encephalopathy throw darts to choose textures, the results would still be better than the aesthetic trainwrecks you present.

>>3902671
That's not true!

>>3902618
This is a great example of why you should not be attempting to do high detailing when you're still new to mapping.

>>3902686
Well, what do you recommend?

>>3902696
Try emulating Sandy "Saviour of Doom Mapping" Petersen.

>>3902696
choose textures that are similar in theme and colors together, and group them close together rather than selecting a smorsgaborg of different themes

this is not the first time i have told you this

>>3902518
nobody wants to see your vaseline fetish pics

>>3902694
Let's look at this differently then. Out of all the areas within the map, which one would be the one you would want a full map out of?

>>3902703
That's what I've been doing, so we still haven't gone anywhere.

>>3902508
cry harder melonbreath

>>3902712
>That's what I've been doing
your screenshots objectively prove otherwise

>>3902706
I haven't seen the map outside of the (bad) screenshots.

>>3902706
The one, simple, symmetrical, square room that every mapper starts with.

So, what are we doing next? Going Down was fun.

>>3902696

-Study levels that get praised for their visuals. Study how they use textures, where they use them, how they use color to draw the eye of the player. >>3902618 is how NOT to use color; it's visual gibberish. This is where an understanding of visual media like art & photograpghy can make all the difference in the visuals in your levels.

-Stop trying to make structures in your levels that look like you're indulging some very specific vore fetish, and just make a level. Sketch it out first on paper or something. Layout first, detail later.

>>3902719
samsara coop please

>>3902719
Deathmatch hopefully, and not that instagib shit, Samsara please.

>>3902715
Right, here we go again with me posting my cancerblob forming on somebody else's map.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hnugj8z3e1syyk9/e1m8.wad?dl=0

>>3902714
What do you want, then?

>>3901251
>>3901898
>Can't drive the truck
Dropped.

>>3902729
Just start with Startan, steps, supports, and door textures.

>>3902706
>Let's look at this differently then.

Let's look at this extremely differently.
Don't work on decoration and decorating at all, then.
Focus on a layout. Pure layout. Just a layout with Startan walls and default floors/ceilings, maybe F_SKY1 ceilings for open areas.

Don't decorate it. Don't detail it. Focus entirely on making a pure back-and-forth level with a beginning, monsters, weapons, and an end.

>>3902723
I've been doing this since the beginning and have looked at several such wads. It clearly hasn't helped matters.

I've said before this isn't possible. I have to work in visual mode and have very poor understanding of script.

>>3902719
Oldschool Alien Vendetta co-op would be my jam.

>>3902729
Good start, t b h.

>>3902729
Despite the fact that everyone is shittalking your map super hard, I think you have potential as a mapper.

I mean your map is shit NOW but if you keep at this you'll get really good.

>>3902759
Base.pk3 sir.

Is the server back up yet?

>>3902759
do keep in mind when I said "tumorous cancerblobs" I meant it.

There was some other, random anonymous person who tried to salvage my fuckups there. He redid the start and did a bit of the temple-y bits. My areas should be obvious.

Guess his efforts are in vain.

>>3902719
Samsara of any kind would be nice.

...and we're back

[TSPG] Painkiller: The Speed of Death

>>3902469
random shit from the booru that we find funny
Secret impse room or something with lewds. Lewd images can be toggled on and off. Off by default so people don't bitch

>>3902763
This. I don't believe in cushioning my criticism, but don't take it as reason to stop trying to work and improve.

>>3902503
or this guy

>>3902789
Ah, even blue boards are 18+. I don't see why a /vr/ map needs to be kiddie friendly.

>>3902531
Comparing it with vanilla doom isn't fair at all.
Try using these settings.

>>3902669
open areas are boring tbqh

>>3902797
Its more for the people who don't like Doom themed lewds and furry stuff.

>>3902742
>I've been doing this since the beginning and have looked at several such wads. It clearly hasn't helped matters.

What levels have you even been looking at?

>>3902618
Apart from the filtered textures which don't bother me as much as it bothers the rest of these folks, I'm quite fond of your map

>>3902821
open sandbox maps can be pretty fun, tbph famalam.

>>3902826
Going down, EYE, Sunlust, Sunder, Stardate, AV, Hellground, Ancient Aliens, Jenesis, Hadephobia, Void, Speed of Doom, etc etc.

>>3902831
as long as it's not an HQ map

>>3902834
There's honestly a little bit of everything there.

>>3902835
What do you mean?

>>3902834
Start with fucking base, vanilla Doom. Emulate that until you get the hang of it.

>>3902834
Maybe instead of looking at dozens of different styles, try and find a particular detailing style you like, and go with that.

>>3902742
>>3902834

Try taking a look at Scythe 2 and Alien Vendetta. Those mapsets do a lot with a little bit of detail.

>>3902825
I wasn't aware furry was what we were discussing.

Well, anyways, if it's crammed into a secret room, it isn't really shoving lewd in peoples' face.

>>3902846
This. A new mapper should be more focused on trying to make an iwad style map before delving into more ambitious affairs.

>>3902851
Not even an iwad-style map, just a 1994-style mod.

>>3902851
See also: joy of mapping map18/19/whatever, sweep&clear, and that fleshcrystal thing

>>3902849
>list av
>"look at av"
come on now, at least try.

lol they can't see me

and then i punch'em with my invisible fist

>>3902862
joy 3 rather

>>3902752
istagib is hard :(

>>3902843
glorified hubs

they're extremely cumbersome to navigate and oftentimes are unnecessarily large

>tfw too intelligent to land rails

pew

>>3902530
>>3902530

Brutal Friends can actually follow you through complex levels, they can detect if the player is too far away and teleport next to it. The only thing they can't is follow you into other levels.

in your face flanders

>>3902920
Yeah that's what I meant when I was talking to him.

They'll stay with you through a whole stage until they die (which is rather rare; a lot of the time attacks don't even seem to actually hit them) but once the map is over they leave.

And also unless you use the console, having a partner depends entirely on whether or not the maps bother with the invisibility powerup.

>>3902929
>AUGH
>GOD
>CHOKIN' ON MY OWN RAGE HERE

>>3902902
>tfw two intelligent to do bridge to rail on dm6

>>3902901
When I said open sandbox, i meant central open areas, like in a City level. not a huge interconnected map that'll take 3 hours to complete.

we

>>3902469
>little stronghold-like are where a few marines shoot some respawning demons
>you can actually join them

>>3902719
Samsara, but WITHOUT ADDONS.

It's next to impossible to find a samsara server without a dozen broken and unknown characters thrown in for shits and giggles. Ruins any gamemode.

Struck a nerve there, but yeah, samsara DM or CTF works for me.

So I just finished Doom and the Golden Souls for the first time, got everything there is. Loved that DK level, and this one too.

What's the scoop on the sequel? The forum post hasn't seen a post or update since November. Even for megawad development, that's a long time.

>>3903129
>The forum post hasn't seen a post or update since November.
?? Batandy leaves updates in the Golden Souls 2 thread often enough. https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=47574&start=690

>>3903137
Ah thanks, that makes me feel better.

I wish Consolation Prize PSX Doom had compatibility for the Lost Levels.

>>3902143
I have been sorely tempted to start a Heretic event in the past.

>>3902154
The non-Doom thing is just a control to make sure I don't get 60+ submissions like the DUMPs did. :D

>>3903160
That'd give me a nice excuse to try a Heretic level I've always wanted to go nuts with those game assets.

Few complaints with vinur, other than it seems way too big, and doesn't have appropriately sized monsters WITH HUGE GUTS TO TEAR

Whoretic when

>>3903193
Why are all these maps covered in jizz?
Ew

>>3903193
>BIG
>BLACK
>IRON MACE SPHERES

Why isnt there a single ZSCRIPT tutorial to be found anywhere?

>>3902090
Too bad it ruins the balance of the mod entirely.

>>3903198
The wiki has a concise, if not necessarily clearly-written, tutorial on converting DECORATE to ZScript
https://zdoom.org/wiki/Converting_DECORATE_code_to_ZScript

Vaecrius wrote a tutorial that demonstrates a relatively simple effect that isn't enormously possible in DECORATE
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=55409

All of the actors in gzdoom.pk3 are converted to ZScript (including a lot of actors that had exclusive "native" code pointers only they could use, like the Raven and Strife baddies), so crack that bad boy open if you want to know how the existing actors do things.

I might write up some simple stuff this week.

>>3902729
>Vast majority of vertices aren't aligned to grid at all, not even grid size of 1
Mother of god.

>>3903126
As much as I like experimenting with all the addon characters, yeah, sometimes base Samsara is better.

I mostly use it in single player, so maybe that's why I was never bothered much.

>>3903216
They are fun to fuck with, but when it comes to serious play, it really takes the fun out of it.

>>3903214

What the fuck whasitis our problem?

>>3903193
>Hexen/Heretic getting any new content
Ha-ha, no.

>>3897396

Damn man, Looks awesome, get onto QUMP, you sucka!

>>3903214
HOW?!?!?

I recall once seeing an imp sprite edit that had it holding a zombieman's rifle, but I can't find it anywhere. Does anyone know of it?

>>3903279
Gotcha covered
https://mega.nz/#!Bt1TkTRR!xcjdGDUWP8VZD-bGYra3kQEfwcf9XBaPLUG-MNXsaxE

>>3903313
Oh crap, thanks! This'll make a great enemy placeholder.

>>3903324
No worries

>>3903236
I'm still naively hoping the Ultimate Doomer will pop out of nowhere with a sequel to Serpent Resurrection (since it ended with the MC and pals going to the Darklands)

Does Mark still post here? Havent seen him in a while

>>3903324
[angry miniature imp sounds]

any maps that mostly have you underwater?

>>3903354
Theres that one map in Mock2, but thats all I can think of

>>3903354
town infection

did that guy make use of those eye textures yet

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=988485#p988485

Huh, apparently Wrath of Cronos was recently updated to 2.0, the developer just keeps silent about it and doesn't update his threads. You need the latest dev build of Zandronum to run it.

Doesn't seem like there's a changelog saying what's new. There seems to be new particle effects and also new enemies, like this guy. He fits in really well with the Plutonia aesthetic.

>>3903352
Hooray for A_Wander utterly faking any sense of AI.

I want to play heretic but I don't know what's the best way to start, any community packs that I should be aware of?

>>3903236
You're thinking Strife. The two H's don't get as many mods or maps as they should, but they get them. You want the real no-maps no-mods experience? Play Strife.

>>3903401
Still it's so barebones there's barely anything that isn't basic level pack, like there's whopping two mods for heretic, one of them is dead clusterfuck died, the other one slowly crawls towards another re-release.

>>3903201
nah, maybe 5 souls is a bit low for a weapon that can instagib almost everything, but otherwise i didnt feel that the game became drastically easier once i found it the first time. I suppose you could abuse it by carefully managing souls and using it asap to maximize ammo and health rewards but thats just too tedious, same as drinking holy water, and is usually a nonfactor in maps which arent focused on careful ammo management

Imo the real imbalanced weapons are the turret mode minigun and railgun, while both shotguns, smg and plasma rifle are really really weak and only seem useful until you find something better

>>3903432
actually nevermind, its op, even just by looking at the screenshot i posted i am at 100/100 and with full ammo on every weapon...

Let me do the alphabet in brazilian:
A B C D E F G H I K 1 M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z.

whats your opinion on D4D?

>>3903515
It's okay, even if it makes things easier.
Wish there were more D4 sprites for the monsters but oh well

>>3903515
It's fun. Makes early game a bit more difficult because the projectiles do so much damage, but late-game it becomes a lot easier. I like to play it without jumping or grenades.

>>3903432
MetaDOOM is pretty imbalanced right now, nerfing the soul cube, buffing some useless weapons and giving some form of Max HP increase ala Doom4 would balance it out nicely.

>>3901194
The Consolation Prize version of the Doom 64 TC has been updated with fixes and tools for gameplay mods...
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=55298

...and MetaDoom has been updated to make use of these and provide much better Doom 64 support.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=53010

>>3902617
furrax

>>3903484
H U E*

>>3903526
And replacing the useless scope mod for the Rail Gun with the heavy one with knockback

>>3903558
>furrax004.wad
>furrax005.wad
>furrax06.wad
>furrax07.wad
>furraxd.wad
>furraxd13.wad
>furraxd13a.wad
>furraxd14.wad
>furraxd14a.wad
>furraxd14b.wad
>furraxd14mus.pk3

I-I'll just pick furrax14b I guess. I can't find anything about this wad besides that its files exist.

>>3903401
I saw like A Strife mod ONCE in a /newstuff/ and then that was it

it was a linear mapset like you'd see for Doom, was the funny thing

>>3903539
Sweet

>>3903526
i wonder if metadoom dev browses these threads
he seemingly has been complaining about lack of feedback on zdoom forum

>>3903589
He does browse the thread sometimes.

>>3903589
Hello.

Interestingly, I've been getting a lot of feedback from this thread recently. Which is very helpful!

SPEAKING OF...
>>3903526
During the SoulCube's original development, I had it set to need 10 souls. I changed it five after realising that Doom 3's version needed five. I'll probably change it back to ten if enough people think that's a non-terrible idea.

>>3903606
in addition to changing soul count to 10, i would suggest getting rid of doom4-style ammo/health drops. Just make it give player hp like it worked in doom3

>>3903606
Since doom monsters are more fragile and numerous than in D3, having a requirement of 10 sounds like a good idea

additional ammo from soulcube is what makes minigun turret mode too powerful, since it eliminates one of the two of it's downsides ( ammo consumption and lack of mobility - the latter is pretty much non factor considering how fast everything dies, unless you fight a cyberdemon )

>>3903630
>>3903606
also would be nice if you could change the explosion sprites from these weird looking saturns into something that makes more sense

what do you call this

>>3902929
>not playing the superior 1995 Simpsons Doom
>complete with crudely drawn sprites that barely look like the characters they're supposed to represent.

>>3903668
now I want to see a cave map with cave paintings of demons on the walls

>>3903606
oh and maybe it would be possible to not have souls drop from enemies but instead go directly towards the soul counter, so any excessive souls should be "wasted", but the player won't have to pick them up manually, as in original description:
>The Cube does not store "extra" energy from kills beyond the required five (in other words, killing ten enemies does not allow you to use it twice in a row).

also, some cool anon here made a mod of a homing boomerang-kind of weapon that flew all over the map killing everything on its path, maybe you could collaborate and use the boomerang mechanic for the cube, but just for one kill

>>3903160
>Heretic
If'n you ever do, a decent texture pack to go with would be nice.