/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

What sorts of radical Taoist-inspired battle maneuvers is Miko going to employ against Byakuren in 13.5?

I'd like to see her finally make use of that sword.

[Anonymous No.]

unlikely that zun is going to put her or byakuren in the demo, so we won't know for awhile

[Anonymous No.]

No deal unless she summons allies

[Anonymous No.]

I'd like to see Miko make use of her as a summon.

[Anonymous No.]

Hopefully using nonaction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10145633
Miko loves her followers, it would be a travesty if they weren't represented in her attacks.

Unless Futo and Tojiko end up being playable, then I won't mind.

[Anonymous No.]

I predict much drama when she draws that sword from it's scabbard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10145498
It's true. No way can we have playable Miko without Royal Clan's Chaotic Dance.

[Exxel !uDesire/6I No.]

>>10147455
She can hold her own.

As much as I like RCCD, I'm really excited to see how Guse Flash will look.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10147473
>She can hold her own

Against Byakuren? Not a fucking chance. Unless ZUN gives her some OP power besides her "lol I can hear 10 people at the same time!" then I don't see a realistic chance of her winning a physical battle against the Touhou Superman.

[Exxel !uDesire/6I No.]

>>10147743
She can already read minds in a roundabout way, combine that with her natural leadership and she could change worlds.

In a one-on-one no-holds-barred fight with Byakuren, just about everyone will lose, but there are no fights like that in Gensokyo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10147743
>>10147960
Do note that Miko already connects more with Gensokyo and learns quicker than Byakuren does, and both Kanako and Miko clearly have a huge intellectual advantage over Byakuren. Miko is obviously less powerful than Byakuren and has fewer followers, but this is pretty negligible considering Byakuren is mostly pacifist anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

if she wasn't so relevant to the story right now, she would be kind of boring like the rest of the TD cast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10148449

>both Kanako and Miko clearly have a huge intellectual advantage over Byakuren

Nice insult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10148449
>both Kanako and Miko clearly have a huge intellectual advantage over Byakuren
As much as I love Miko, I don't think that's the case, they're about equally as intelligent I'm sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10148449
this isnt some fantasy dragon land. 2hus don't have a maximum stat point allocation. just face it, our lady byakuren is better than that shit 2hu all around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149392
>>10149392

Motherfucker, what did I tell you about those goddamn cat ears?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149392
How so?

[Tom No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149392
>lady byakuren is better than that shit 2hu all around.

Please remain civil in your discussions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149400
sorry ill put nyakuren back in the bag

>>10149402
in every way

>>10149411
i really do feel bad for miko. it's like ZUN is trying to compensate for how terribly boring she is by strapping on headphones, cat ears, and that sword she doesn't use.
it's not like i hate her or anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149428
I think "boring" is a strong word to describe Miko. She's got a very confident personality and the history behind her character is interesting. And the headphones and unique hairstyle just add a fun modern look to Gensokyo!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149449
this is the only image in my miko folder.

i've done all i can

[Exxel Loves !aaSaint3Og No.]

>>10149483
You're missing out.

[Anonymous No.]

She's probably going to disgust her enemies into forfeiting by exposing them to her shitty hair.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149502
fukken saved

>>10149520
owend25lyfe

[Kilgamayan !2BklmILFiE No.]

>implying the original intellectual savior of the masses has fallen so far as to participate in such barbaric fisticuffs

Incorrect. This sort of arena is far more suited for the gradient-haired brute; let her inevitable participation suffice. Rather than lending an ounce of dignity to this sideshow, our Prince shall journey onward toward more worthwhile pursuits, such as the proper education of the countryside.

You're welcome.

[Anonymous No.]

Am I the only person who is going to scour YouTube for videos of Byakuren losing?

I don't think I'd ever tire of seeing that murderous, horrible creature getting beaten.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149568

Holy FUCK those hips are tall.

[Exxel Loves !aaSaint3Og No.]

>>10149572
>>10149568
You guys shouldn't be so mean to Byakuren.
I still think they could be formidable allies if they ever resolved their differences.

Also, she gladly engages the heroine in TD, I don't think she's "above" a little competition.

[Anonymous No.]

Taoism is all about going with the flow. If someone attacks you, you don't fight back. You just flow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149584
Gensokyo Taoism is a little different than actual Taoism, I don't think Seiga got everything right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149578

I'll be as mean to Byakuren as I fucking want. She's directly responsible for the deaths of a number of people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149572

We've already proven that she isn't evil you Byakuren hatefag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149593

>She's directly responsible for the deaths of a number of people.

Get a load of this guy. What the fuck did I not tell you to stop putting your hate shit on Byakuren related threads? We already proved your ass wrong a few Byakuren threads ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149578
I don't see how one person can have the autismosis to start every Miko thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149593
She's indirectly related to the deaths.

>>10149595
>>10149608
Please don't bully

>>10149609
Actually I probably only start half of them, someone has to spread the good word, even if I'm one of very few who love her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149614

I like miko because she's a bigger dork than Youmu. Still, Miko seems more like a homosexual man who happens to be a girl to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149628
I suppose we can all appreciate her in our own way, but you should really reconsider your opinion on her gender, she's a girl!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149378
>>10149385
I might as well have just left that out, since I did intend for the context to be "when talking about Gensokyo and its youkai and humans and stuff like that", not particularly for things we can't know like math proficiency or spatial intelligence or whatever. In these matters Byakuren is left in the dust and even has a number of misconceptions that are called out. Kanako has a buffer of this being her area of expertise and having been around longer, but Miko literally just popped out and is already ahead of Byakuren, even if she's somewhat fixated on Gensokyo requiring leaders and has basically no backing yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149608
She let a bunch of people die. How do you prove that wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149595

>proven

No, that never happened.

Looking at the character descriptions, as canon as you can get, Byakuren was on a boat with 'several people' when she met Murasa, all of them were flung into the ocean, and there was no mention of ever saving them. The story is told primarily from Murasa's perspective, so maybe she just didn't mention rescuing all the humans because she didn't think it was noteworthy, but I doubt that's the case. It explicitly states that Byakuren didn't fight back harder than any normal human, so she must have plotted/been plotting SOMETHING. Also, I don't think people would have managed to keep quiet about how she was actually befriending youkai instead of exterminating them. I'm pretty sure all those humans drowned, and that Byakuren didn't really feel bad about it. If that's the case, I don't believe that that's the ONLY instance in which she let humans die for the sake of youkai.

Byakuren's a horrible monster. She's nice and all believing in equality now, sure, but that doesn't begin to atone for all the people she led to their deaths.

[Anonymous No.]

Every.
Thread.

Please stop, you shouldn't be so harsh with your words, it's not like it's unlike Miko to forgive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149696
Please don't cry. It ill-suits a mighty leader to cry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149734
It's the only depressing image I had

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149684
>Byakuren was on a boat with 'several people' when she met Murasa, all of them were flung into the ocean, and there was no mention of ever saving them.

Except for Byakuren speaking in plural while on the Pallaquin Ship. Why would she do it if they weren't around?

>It explicitly states that Byakuren didn't fight back harder than any normal human, so she must have plotted/been plotting SOMETHING.

And we know exactly what. Because she then proceeded to do it and it worked. Binding Minamitsu's soul to the new magical ship to allow her to leave the ocean. Occam's razor!

>Also, I don't think people would have managed to keep quiet about how she was actually befriending youkai instead of exterminating them.

Why would they have any reason to complain? She can be as sympathetic towards youkai as she wants as long as what she does work, it's par for the course for monk figures anyway.

Let's make a test. Which of the following scenes is more likely to happen:

Byakuren: "I freed the poor lost soul from its eartly bounds, you can now sail safely."
Folk people: "Oh, thank you, great monk, you're our savior!"

Or maybe:

Byakuren: "I freed the poor lost soul from its eartly bounds, you can now sail safely."
Folk people: "Why didn't you fucking kill it with fire you freaking youkai sympathizer!"

Well?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149793
>Occam's razor!
What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149804
Erm...

>Occam's razor (also written as Ockham's razor, Latin lex parsimoniae) is the law of parsimony, economy, or succinctness. It is a principle stating that among competing hypotheses, the one that makes the fewest assumptions should be selected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149837
Ooooh, oh, right. Ok.
Thought you were quoting tvtropes for a minute.

[Anonymous No.]

In-fucking-credible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149852
Isn't she?

[Anonymous No.]

Why does everyone forget that the rivalry is between 3 people, not two? Anyway, jesus figure vs god figure is much better than dork with headphones,

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149891
They know not to fight unwinable battles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149900

Yeah , Moriyas are a bunch of cowards that have their bitch slut doing all the work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149844
I appreciate the distrust in non-descriptive labels that TVTropes is sowing among people (as hypocritical as it sounds from someone who just used one himself). Maybe they are good for something, even if just as an example of what not to do.

[Anonymous No.]

miko a shit!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149904
You understand nothing. As should be expected of people who spout that sort of slander.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149953
How does Kanako support that rope thing? Does it just fly? Is it made from industrial level pipe cleaners? What, exactly, am I looking at here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149962
She's a god.

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry, was out for a bit. (1/2)

>>10149793

>Except for Byakuren speaking in plural while on the Pallaquin Ship. Why would she do it if they weren't around?

...What? I don't see what this has to do with anything I said; what are you even talking about?

>And we know exactly what. Because she then proceeded to do it and it worked. Binding Minamitsu's soul to the new magical ship to allow her to leave the ocean.

Yes. The argument people have made against me before is that "Well she didn't PLAN for those people to die! You can't prove that she PLANNED anything!" They were trying clear her name by saying that she didn't plan the deaths of those men. It was only AFTER I countered those arguments that I heard people start spouting "B-b-but it never explicitly says that they died! Therefore they must not have died at all!" I figured I'd reiterate that yes, she DID plan this encounter out, in case people start trying to bring up that stupid argument again.

[Anonymous No.]

(2/2)

>>10150140

>Why would they have any reason to complain? She can be as sympathetic towards youkai as she wants

Uh, no. No she can't. According to PMiSS, the friendliness between humans and youkai is something that Akyuu has never witnessed in her previous incarnations. And straight from Byakuren's character profile in the manual for UFO:
>She pretended to be a great youkai exterminator, but actually saved the youkai behind the scenes.

She can't pretend to be a 'great youkai exterminator' when people know that she's not exterminating them. You think that a boatload of people would keep quiet about such a well-renowned person completely lying about what she claimed to do? You think no one would question WHY she was saving youkai? If people would accept what she planned to do, why didn't they just let her go off in a boat shaped like Murasa's from the very beginning? Why didn't she construct the shining ship until AFTER everyone on the boat had been flung into the sea?

Face it, Byakuren let those people die and didn't lift a finger to try to save them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10150140
>>10150140

>It was only AFTER I countered those arguments

You didn't counter those arguments at all. You actually agreed you had to review your own opinion because you assumed that Byakuren was planning maliciously.

Face it Byakuren was a good person from the very moment she was born.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10150158

>You actually agreed you had to review your own opinion

Because I was basing my view on what was stated in the wiki, without looking up the direct quotes. People said that I shouldn't hold such a view without looking into the actual canon to confirm it, and I agreed. That was a completely fair criticism to make. Now I've looked at the character profiles, where the events are mentioned, and my view has pretty much remained the same.

>you assumed that Byakuren was planning maliciously.

No, I never assumed that. I was claiming that she was evil and horrible because she purposefully set people up to die. I never said that she did so maliciously; she just did so callously. It COULD be that she deeply regrets how she sent people to their deaths, but considering how heavily she's into STOP OPPRESSING THE YOUKAI (instead of STOP THE VIOLENCE, though she does preach equality and all that) and how she doesn't appear to have any humans in her temple, I don't think she particularly cares about the people whose lives ended early because of her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10150140
If those people are being mentioned, adding that they've been saved in the meantime is unnecessary, it'd have been directly >implied by context and the chain of cause and effect.

>The argument people have made against me before is that "Well she didn't PLAN for those people to die! You can't prove that she PLANNED anything!"

And that's exactly what I'm saying too, you know - don't look for some hidden plots when what's happening is explicitly stated and makes sense that way. You seem to have fixated on the word "plan" and ignored the gist of the argument. I guess everyone can agree that, in the broadest literal sense, she must have been "planning something", but the only victory you're going to score by insisting on that phrasing is in the field of semantics.

Also quite obviously you can't prove that she planned to kill anyone when you can't prove that it happened in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

Field too long.

>>10150142
>She pretended to be a great youkai exterminator

This does not mean she pretended to be a great youkai hater, and it would in fact be really uncharacteristic for a holy spiritual figure of her kind. You're missing the gist of the argument again. The gist being: you're vastly overestimating the lengths to which she'd have to go to keep a believable disguise.

>She can't pretend to be a 'great youkai exterminator' when people know that she's not exterminating them

How are people going to know she did not (literally) exterminate Minamitsu when the latter is gone and the boats stopped sinking indiscriminately? Why would they even care all that much? Face it - Byakuren is, ultimately, doing her job, saving people from dangers posed by youkai, and has become quite effective at it. That's all she needs to earn the title.

>If people would accept what she planned to do, why didn't they just let her go off in a boat shaped like Murasa's from the very beginning? Why didn't she construct the shining ship until AFTER everyone on the boat had been flung into the sea?

Gee, maybe it's the first time she met Murasa and didn't really know what to do with her until she observed her a bit?

[Anonymous No.]

I bet at the end of the game nothing will be resolved and it will end with something like "Everyone agreed to not not fight as much and the humans in the village calmed down."

[Anonymous No.]

>>10150223
I'd prefer something along the lines of "...and then everyone (save Byakuren) got shitfaced on booze and stopped caring; alcohol vendors win, good end".

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149793
I just popped in here, but her profile clearly states the latter is how the humans reacted when they found out she was supporting youkai instead of exterminating them. And then they sealed her away for a thousand years for being a "demon in human form". Not only that, but in no cases has Byakuren been shown to "free them from their earthly bounds", she really just outright helped them because she figured the youkai were being oppressed (never mind the humans that the youkai kill that make the other humans angry at the youkai). Murasa is no exception; while she stopped haunting the seas she in no way stopped being a youkai. Murasa's thoughts were seriously "if I can leave the ocean maybe I can go attack humans". This might have changed after Byakuren gave her the ship, but it doesn't exactly help your case.

Additionally, she never was talking in reference to other people on the Palanquin. It explicitly says everyone fell into the ocean when the sink capsized, and Byakuren says "the ship that brought us here was sunk in a shipwreck accident". That's the only time she ever referenced the other people with her, and the former quote gives more of an impression that they were just left in the sea. Of course it's still possible that the other humans survived, but the other anon has solid points in regards to that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10150219
>plan plan plan
As the other guy says, the plan in advance was to take a bunch of people on a boat, go find Murasa, have her capsize the boat then give her the Palanquin. She clearly didn't make it up on the spot. This is honestly a pretty silly plan to begin with, but that's another matter. Personally I don't think she went in going "oh well I won't save the humans to cover my tracks", but if the people did in fact drown then your entire platform falls apart, since there is no excusing that. She doesn't need to have planned to kill anyone if they died for her plan to succeed anyways.

>hidden
No, pretty sure everything the both of you are saying is explicitly stated, which is why there's an argument to begin with.

>not a youkai hater
>How are people going to know she did not (literally) exterminate Minamitsu when the latter is gone
Of course she wasn't toted as a youkai hater, but she was still a youkai exterminator. Her job was to exterminate youkai. Murasa did not just suddenly stop existing once Byakuren helped her, in fact she was given more freedom than before. Not to mention, if the people on board survived they would have had to come back on the ship Murasa was given to captain.

>maybe it was the first time she met Murasa
Er, that's utter bologna speculation man. She knew how to replicate the very ship she died on and knew that Murasa would be pacified and freed if she gave it to her; that's pretty damn precise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10150258
>they sealed her away for a thousand years for being a "demon in human form"

Because she is, quite literally, a demon in human form. A youkai, that is. That said, I fail to see how is that relevant here. It happened "a few decades" (mistranslated as a few hundred years, what the hell, wiki) after the discussed incident, for example, and there's nothing about the description that cannot be reduced to "humans were being xenophobic".

>in no cases has Byakuren been shown to "free them from their earthly bounds"

That's literally what she did to Minamitsu. Literally literally. Come on.

>Murasa's thoughts were seriously "if I can leave the ocean maybe I can go attack humans".

Now you're just making things up. Things irrelevant to the topic, at that.

>the former quote gives more of an impression that they were just left in the sea

So speaking for other people, not just yourself, gives an impression you've disregarded them and left them behind? Really?

[Anonymous No.]

The true villain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10150282
>the plan in advance was to take a bunch of people on a boat, go find Murasa, have her capsize the boat then give her the Palanquin. She clearly didn't make it up on the spot.

>Er, that's utter bologna speculation man.

The difference is, I'm "speculating" merely to demonstrate that there exists a simple explanation that doesn't involve Byakuren creating an elaborate plan beforehand. My reasoning doesn't hinge on it. I'm not even sure that the contrary reasoning hinges on it either (making the point moot), but if it does, then the burden of proof is on you, and this necessitates demonstrating that each and every alternative "speculation" is wrong. Can you do that? I don't think so.

>if the people did in fact drown then your entire platform falls apart

If they did, then it does. But that doesn't prove that they did. And if you want to prove that they did from this, you're committing a fallacy of circular reasoning.

>Murasa did not just suddenly stop existing once Byakuren helped her

Depends on how you define "Murasa". The danger to sailors (which was the only thing they knew of or cared about) stopped existing, the mission was a full success in that regard.

>they would have had to come back on the ship Murasa was given to captain

How's that a problem? They don't even need to see Murasa, and the fact that the ship is magical in the first place kinda stops every doubts about how it works either way.

>that's pretty damn precise

If Byakuren can built the ship by magic on the spot, she can build it in any shape and form on the spot. It's magic, man.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm pretty sure Byakuren got on the boat without even a half-assed plan beyond "well let's go see this youkai everyone's talking about."

[proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. No.]

Cooch slit transportation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10150223
>Toyosatomimi no Miko is my favorite character and I'm proud of it.

What's there to be proud of? Are you only allowed to like the popular characters on tumblr?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10150191

>she doesn't appear to have any humans in her temple

She does a lot of services for humans. It would be better to assume that she does have goddamn humans in her temple along with youkai. That's her ideal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10150883
This art looks familiar. Is that the same artist that drew puking Marisa?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10151087
and Nichibros

[Anonymous No.]

>>10150883
Taoists will never visit you because you have no cooch slit.

[Anonymous No.]

If Miko is the Crown Prince, how come there isn't futa art of her everywhere? Seeing as how she was originally a man, and all.

[proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. No.]

>>10151140
I never even wanted to.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know why it's so hard for people to accept that Byakuren let people die. It's hardly unprecedented in Touhou for characters who aren't seen as 'bad' to have done bad things. In 'Dolls in Pseudo Paradise', Alice kills six men, drives a seventh one to suicide, and implies that she uses human eyes for her dolls.

>Oh, and I wanted to get rid of this doll as soon as possible, too. But, those blue eyes. Sometimes a black crow carries them away and eats them. Those are real eyes. Because I always put in new eyes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10151350
Because that story is written in a fever dream style that makes next to no sense, even by the standards of the rest of the canon that doesn't paint Alice as that kind of person at all.

Doesn't that story make her part of a roving bandit gang or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10151350

I don't know why it's so hard for THAT ONE GUY to accept that Byakuren DIDN'T let people die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10151350
>>10151355
Wait, shit.

>August X Today's incident started when I met a beautiful blonde girl walking from the old western-style building deep in the forest. I feel like I've seen her somewhere before, but I don't remember every little detail like that. The girl mischeiveously stuck out her tongue and quickly bowed as she walked towards the exit to paradise, laughing loudly. Such an odd girl.

You're sure that's not Flandre being UN Owen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10151398
Scarlet Devil Mansion is from across a lake. And there's only one known forest in Gensokyo. And Flandre doesn't go outside, she's a vampire it would've at least been noted that she had a parasol or umbrella.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10151445
Alice is even less of a mischievous jokester though. She's all city-sect and uninterested in the affairs of others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10151694
whaddafug does city-sect even mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>10151378
I don't think you realize this is a common split among fans. This isn't just some fringe stance.

>>10150427
I'm noticing that most of your arguments are coming from many "maybe"s that end up fulfilling the conclusion. It isn't a very solid way to argue at all.

>quite literally a demon in human form, humans being xenophobic
You said that it's more likely for the humans to go "hooray the youkai is pacified" rather than "you're supposed to kill it" when the humans actually have unreasonably exploded on youkai, as well as Byakuren. While I'm not arguing that the humans demanded the youkai to be destroyed, it isn't proper to assume your case is the most likely nor that it was what happened.

>Literally what she did to Minamitsu
No, she just unbound Murasa from the ocean. Even if she never set foot on a ship again and the people could sail, this is not freeing them like sending a troubled spirit to the afterlife, so the status of "exorcised" is questionable.

>making things up
>それが成功すれば、私を縛る呪われた海から離れて人間を襲う事も出来
るかも知れない。
It's relevant because Murasa thought this way before Byakuren saved her, and therefore you can't claim that she was pacified just by being freed from the ocean, if she was even pacified.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10150482
>Depends on how you define "Murasa"
That outcome is possible, yes, but you cannot simply claim that the humans were satisfied by Murasa not actually being exterminated, nor that the people were alright with their ship being destroyed, nor that they were alright with giving Murasa a ship, having to take her ship back to shore, etc.

>How's that a problem? They don't even need to see Murasa
Speculation. Even if this was the case, this might or might not be a solution.

>magic
"It's magic" is still bologna speculation, and still doesn't account for Byakuren knowing that Murasa would be pacified with said ship. My bologna speculation would be that Byakuren asked around and did research on Murasa so she could understand her better.

Again, I have no solid opinion on the matter because I think it's a very questionable subject. I don't think it could be concluded that Byakuren hates/is ambivalent of humans either, and I am not claiming so. You're saying that the matter is NOT questionable and Byakuren did not let people die and so forth, and you aren't doing a very good job of arguing for your case.

Notably, taking the stance that Byakuren let the humans die does not require debunking of every alternative. There is no null stance here, just two different cases that both have support.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10150427
>So speaking for other people, not just yourself
Oh, I see what you mean now. The argument against was that "The ship that brought us here" doesn't mean the other people are still there; it's made clear that other people were on the ship; "everyone was flung into the ocean" yet there's no later description of the other people; so it's difficult to note their status. While quite flimsy, there's also the matter of forgiving Murasa with "oh look our boat sank in an accident etc" while the rest of the people are there lol.

To your credit, it's also possible that the other people on board knew of the plan in advance, considering the high likelihood that there was a plan. It's still speculation-based reasoning and equally flimsy, but there's that.

>>10151060
I do agree that it's likely enough that Byakuren has more people living at the temple than just the cast we know of. However, it's said often that it's hard to tell whether or not Byakuren actually dislikes humans, and most of her actions are catered towards youkai specifically. She also doesn't seem to be aware that the youkai at the temple have antagonized the humans there on occasion.

[Anonymous No.]

I can brush off a lot of the jokes Miko gets, but I do wonder what ZUN was thinking when it comes to her hairstyle. Supposedly her name can be literally translated to something like "Saint of the golden ears", and she is a blonde. Leave it up to ZUN to not hold back in his character designs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154082
I think it looks nice. What's wrong with it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154091
Nothing at all, I just wonder sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

I like Miko, but siding with the Buddhists to bully her gives me pleasure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154114
I hope you come around one day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154114
Enemies or not, I doubt Byakuren would approve of you bullying them just for your own pleasure.

[Anonymous No.]

There hasn't been enough doujinshis translated with the TD cast, I can't care about them. I'm all for the Moriya.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154150
I hope the reasons you would care extend beyond lewd things. Miko's quite interesting just going off of what you can gather from canon material. Also, the lack of lewd things starring her is a blessing.

[Anonymous No.]

>You think that puny sword is capable of defeating my treasures? Mongrel!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154211
Looking pretty Unlimited Blade Works there, Byakuren.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154211

>A harder boss
>Has a better stage theme
>Better and superior gradient hair
>Better character design
>Better breasts
>Better and more sympathetic backstory
>Better and bigger crew
>Can create over a thousand blades, not known to life or known to death.
>Overall more powerful abilities
>Surpassed humanity
>Doesn't treat her followers like shit
>Pure and holy
>Follows a superior religion
>Is cute and adorable
>the lamb of God
>lives a healthy lifestyle, doesn't get shitfaced and mostly eats fruits and veggies
>Actually looks like a saint unlike some stupid headphone wearing hipster.

Did I forget anything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154242
Nope, that sounds about right.

Miko takes on a lot of those qualities too, differences in design obviously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10145292
Isn't Miko's sword the vessel of her soul or something like that? You bet it has to get personal before she draws it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154242
>used to be a man

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154242
Yeah, it doesn't matter how good of a politician Miko is. Nobody is going to vote for her if she looks the way that she does.

[Tom No.]

>>10154242
pretty solid. but she also makes more sense. as a Daoist, you'd expect Miko to shy away from battle and just go retreat to her little crop village in the middle of no where. Daoists do that stuff. Also, realistic Daoists wouldn't have such an... unrealistic getup.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154315
>Isn't Miko's sword the vessel of her soul or something like that?

Pretty much. I wonder if it's an erogenous zone.

>>10154366
But Gensokyo Taoism is different than actual Taoism. I have a feeling Seiga didn't explain everything correctly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154242
There is so much wrong with this list that I don't even know where to begin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154377

How so?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154393
...I can't put it simpler than that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154398

You don't know where to begin because it's all truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154375
>I wonder if it's an erogenous zone.

Oh boy, I finally get to link this.

http://pastebin.com/UhjTmynT

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154415
The opposite, actually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154375
Miko will never forcefully penetrate you with her sword. ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

Byakuren suggested to create laws in Gensokyo. That's the only thing I have against her. But even so, I don't think that's really part of her main goals at all, so it will probably stay as nothing more than a funny little idea she brought up.

Miko wants to be a politician, so that's even worse.

Kanako just wants to hold festivals and hand out blessings in return for faith.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154420
strangely arousing, did you write that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154458
>Miko wants to be a politician, so that's even worse.
She backed off when explained that Gensokyo doesn't need a ruler. She just wants to take it easy now in Senkai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154483

Really? To me she looked she pretended to back off. I don't trust a fucking politician especially Miko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154491
Has she given you a reason to not trust her?

I mean, sure she's ambitious and that's why Byakuren and Suwako sealed her off, but I wouldn't call her dangerous to you or me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154426

>>10154426

You seriously think that Miko was a harder boss? Everyone knows Emotional Skyscraper was better than True Administrator. Everyone agrees Miko has stupid fucking hair and her design is just as stupid. Miko is a flat tomboy. Byakuren's crew IS bigger and has more loved characters. If you ever played one of the tengu games, Byakuren is shown to have the ability to create many swords and throw them. And if you honestly think "I can hear 10 people at the same time lol!" is more powerful than Magic Superman fucking Hijiri then kill yourself right now. Byakuren transcends humanity. She's like an ascended human due to her abilities. If you read the fanbook about the three factions, you'd see that Byakuren was a very fair leader and teacher compared to Miko who treated her followers like servants. She is pure and holy (a saint). The religion part is more opinion based. She is cute and adorable though, beloved by god and men! The lamb of God! Also revealed, Byakuren follows the "healthiness is next go holiness" rule and doesn't drink while Miko and the snake hag do. Last part I agree with. Seriously, what the hell? Headphones? Fucking dork.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10149638
I like to think that Miko secretly is a guy after all, but Seiga tricked him into wearing a dress (for shits and giggles because she's a wicked hermit)...
>Miko: "Are you sure about this, Seiga?"
>Seiga: "Of course, Crown Prince! Everyone in Gensokyo wears a dress, even the men!"
>Miko: "If you say so..."
...So now everyone thinks he is a she (it didn't help that he was already girly-looking), and he's far too terrified of what would happen if everyone knew he was a dude, so he just rolls with it.

... That's just my crackpot theory, anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154500
>Everyone agrees
Even though it's already been seen that there are people who don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154497
Would a respectable leader wear her hair in such an absurd fashion?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154500
Do you not know what an opinion is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154504
>implying that Miko would be embarrassed.
Miko has infinitely more guts than /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154500
I really hate to bite back, but every time it feels like one person comes into and tatters on and on about how great Byakuren is compared to Miko.

>harder boss
Sure, but TD was meant to be an easy game.
>better than True Administrator
Opnions, I think both themes are great.
>design is just as stupid
It's unique and fun, again, opinions, I find Byakuren to be boring in terms of design.
>crew is bigger
You could say Miko has all the humans on her side.
>more powerful
Miko can read minds, she's a natural leader, and has also ascended humanity.
>Miko...like servants.
Source?
>a sait
Hey, so is Miko.
>dork
Opinions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154507
Yes. Why not?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154518
Okay, imagine you were locked up in a box for a long time, and didn't know where you were
And then one of your friends opens the box and says, "Quick, put this on so you can blend in!"
And it turns out to be a schoolgirl outfit
And you are in an all-girls school
And all of the girls have terrifying, sometimes reality-warping super powers
And the only power you have is to listen to 10 people at once, and you're still very weak and groggy from being sealed in that box
And I don't even know what I'm typing anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154463
No, I did write something else involving Miko, nothing lewd however. I had a dream that I was suspended in midair, without a sense of weight. It reminded me of the stage 6 backdrop in TD, so I had an excuse to gush about Miko for a little bit. I don't consider it fanfiction since I refuse to do that.

http://pastebin.com/sQTMWNwf

[Anonymous No.]

So, we've got a religious war brewing in Gensokyo, between the Taoists, the Buddhists, and the Moriya Shrine.

But there's a neutral fourth party in all of this-- the Hakurei Shrine. It is the job of the Hakurei to maintain balance, after all.
Reimu won't intervene until it affects her personally, but... the God of the Hakurei isn't going to lift a finger at all.
She'll simply wait for her competitors to destroy each other, and then Gensokyo will be all hers.

Just as planned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154591
>war
Not a chance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154591
Muh bones

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154521

>しかし、彼女はそんな弟子をただの小間使い位にしか思っていないよう
だ。それもその筈、仙人における弟子とは、ただの使いっ走りでしか無いか
らだ（＊２）。

>However, she doesn't appear to think of those disciples as anything more than mere servants, which is quite natural, as in terms of "hermit's disciples", they are just pawns or couriers. (*2)

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154521

>You could say Miko has all the humans on her side.

Byakuren does service to humans and probably has human followers as well. But if you say that, all the youkai are on her side and youkai outnumber humans.

>Miko can read minds, she's a natural leader, and has also ascended humanity.

But she's still weak compared to the other
saint.

>Source?
>>10154665
>Opinions
She's a bigger dorkmeister than dorkface.

[Anonnymous No.]

>>10154591
Moriya shrine is basically Shintoist

[Anonymous No.]

>>10154204
It's funny because I don't read H-doujinshis. That you'd precisely talk about lewdness says a lot about you and what you read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10152939
>I'm noticing that most of your arguments are coming from many "maybe"s that end up fulfilling the conclusion. It isn't a very solid way to argue at all.
>it isn't proper to assume your case is the most likely nor that it was what happened.

Are you truly, honestly, not realizing the irony in your statements?

From now on, I'll be using "[1]" and "[2]" respectively as shortcuts to them whenever I want to throw them back at you. It'll save space and time.

>the humans actually have unreasonably exploded on youkai, as well as Byakuren.

At a completely different time, under completely different circumstances we know literally nothing about. [1], [2]

>this is not freeing them like sending a troubled spirit to the afterlife

What are you talking about? Who ever said anything about afterlife or exorcizing? Are you, per chance, failing to understand the meaning of the word "literally"?

>you can't claim that she was pacified just by being freed from the ocean

But I don't claim anything. You're claiming that >Murasa's thoughts were seriously "if I can leave the ocean maybe I can go attack humans".. I'm merely pointing out that this quote is completely made up, because it is. [2]

Now, I can claim that, based on Byakuren's characterization and what we know about the subsequent events, that it's a reasonable guess that she intended to pacify Minamitsu in one way or another, and had to a reasonable extent succeeded. Now, let's be serious here for a moment - if all you'll have to "counter" that claim is "but you can't prove that", yet you'll keep insisting on using this completely made up "fact" of yours in your reasoning, then there's no point of discussing this anymore, as you'd have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that you have no case whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10152944
>you cannot simply claim that the humans were satisfied by Murasa not actually being exterminated, nor that the people were alright with their ship being destroyed, nor that they were alright with giving Murasa a ship, having to take her ship back to shore, etc.

I can simply claim that humans were satisfied with Murasa being gone (and didn't need to know the details), and that they were perfectly alright with having a ship to return home on. You, however, cannot claim they have, at any time, had a perfect knowledge about what's happening, yet your entire reasoning is based on this exact conjecture. [1], [2].

>I don't think it could be concluded that Byakuren hates/is ambivalent of humans either, and I am not claiming so.

The certainty with which you state your claims sure makes it seem like you do claim so.

>You're saying that the matter is NOT questionable and Byakuren did not let people die and so forth

No, I don't. I have been stating over and over that my reasoning can be invalidated by sufficient evidence, and all that I'm pointing out is the lack of said evidence. You are, to put things bluntly, a liar.

>and you aren't doing a very good job of arguing for your case.

If "but... but you can't prove it!" is all the argumentation you have left, then I'd say I'm doing a very good job arguing my case.

>taking the stance that Byakuren let the humans die does not require debunking of every alternative

Actually, it kinda does. Presumption of innocence. The claim going contrary to Byakuren's entire characterization. No precedent in the rest of the story. You need a really strong case here, and you lack it.

Unless all you mean "that's how I want it to be in my personal Gensokyo". I'm fully supporting your right to your personal Gensokyo, let little black Tewi be your guide. I just don't have to share it.