>30 million US Dollars

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Anonymous Sun Jul 20 10:53:34 2014 No.1785969 [DELETED]

>30 million US Dollars

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 11:19:15 2014 No.1786023 >>1785969 Money well spent as far as amount of entertainment the project generated.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 11:22:17 2014 No.1786029
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>Play through Daikatana
>It's shit
>But there are several moments where greatness shines through
>Really clever and unique level design bits here and there

If Romero just stuck with designing levels instead of managing money and shit this game could have been goddamn amazing. There were tons of great ideas, it's just the execution was off.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 11:32:53 2014 No.1786048 >>1786029 It's too bad that one misstep fucked over Romero's career to such a degree that he hasn't designed an FPS since. I really think he had a knack for that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 11:47:29 2014 No.1786080 >>1786048 It's his own fault for not getting over it and coming back. He could have proved himself and made it back to the community. Hell everybody misses him now.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 11:48:52 2014 No.1786081

according to "masters of doom", it would seem all Romero has done since Doom was fuck all.

Seriously, what good has he done since Doom? Carmak fired his ass because all he did all day was play Doom while everyone was working on Doom 2. Then Eidos hands him piles and piles of money and then he proceeds to squander it whilst lavishly decorating his million dollar office.

Meanwhile his good friend Tom Hall busts his ass to make a good game with Ion Storm and so did Warren Spector.

I would imagine it would be hell to work under someone like Romero.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 11:54:29 2014 No.1786090

>>1786081
According to some interview I saw with Romero on youtube, he claims he designed Quake's level design and everything entirely on his own. He said that after id finished making the engine they were sick of it and he virtually made the entire game by himself, working 7 days a week, all day erry day. Of course it's impossible to know the legitimacy of this claim but that's what he says. I'll try to find the youtube vid...

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 11:56:32 2014 No.1786093

>>1786081
Romero has always been worthless. He's a media whore that once he started riding the wave of Doom checked out of actual hard work and rode the wave of his own hubris.

>>1786090
That reeks of bullshit. What, he suddenly shaped up after the Doom 2 production cycle and became Superman again?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 11:57:27 2014 No.1786094 >>1786090 I remember that as well. It's in one of the Matt Chat videos I believe.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 11:58:46 2014 No.1786096

>>1786048
>one misstep

It's not just one game, it was the entire company. Romero should have never been given a blank cheque and supreme control of the company. Everything about Ion Storm was stupid and led to its failure:

>Penthouse suite costing 300,000 a month
>million dollar renovations
>Game room, arcade, theater, all stupid shit no one needs
>Giant team of like 80 or more people
>huge amount of levels, huge amount of enemies, like 4 times the size of Quake
>Not scaling down these ideas and even releasing them as separate "episodes"
>"design is key" is ass backwards: Engine first then see what you can do in that engine
>Redoing the game for the Quake 2 engine. Instead of just shipping the game with the Quake 1 engine
>Manage to blow through 42 million in 3 years
>Famous "bitch" ad

The entire story of Ion Storm is of waste and mismanagment. Romero was a gamer, a programmer and game desginer. He was NOT a project manager or a "biz guy". There should have been several people above Romero making the business decisions. Romero left to his own devices is an idiot. He bought into all that hype about himself as "the father of Doom". Eidos is to blame too for just throwing money at him without ensuring it's properly spent.

Seriously 42 million dollars. That's for all the Ion Storm games, but much of that was Daikatana. I think Daikatana sold less than 200,000 copies too.

>>1786081

If the company had been a joint venture by Tom Hall and Warren Spector, without any Romero it would probably be alive today.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:03:07 2014 No.1786104 >>1786090 >>1786093 >>1786094 Found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq__3XNvvHI

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:03:56 2014 No.1786106 File: 664 KB, 1280x720, cool design romero.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I will never forgive him for being responsible for the closure of Looking Glass Studios.

guy that read MOD Sun Jul 20 12:04:12 2014 No.1786107

>>1786093
>Romero has always been worthless..

thats in line with what the book says.

He actually seemed to be really talented. The problem is, is that Carmak is apparently really hard to work with because he's very meticulous. That and well, pretty much any programmer will feel mediocre when working alongside Carmak. So IIRC, Romero backed off from doing code sometime during Doom's development.

From what I've gathered about Romero, he seems to have been resting on his laurels from Doom and hasnt been able to get his ass in gear since

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:06:43 2014 No.1786112
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>>1786096

If publishers blew through tons of cash like that on pointless shit back then, just imagine what it's like today. The amount of bloat, poor/non-existent management and wasted money must be absolutely goddamn insane.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:09:16 2014 No.1786119 I wish Romero and Carmack would come back together for just one more game man ;_;

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:14:25 2014 No.1786127

>>1786112

I imagine it's less bad today, with Publishers having tighter control over games. The 90's was the era of vanity game companies led by some "rock star". Their offices were always huge wastes of money filled with stupid shit they didn't need. They always tried too hard to have a "cool" work environment.

>>1786107
>resting on his laurels

After the Ion Storm and Daikatana debackle, no one probably wants to give him any money. It's like some director who made a huge box office bomb who then never directs again.

Which is a total shame. Just hire him as a level designer and designer but have him just as one of the guys on the team and have all sorts of checks on him so he doesn't go off the walls crazy.

>>1786119

Can you imagine? There's been so many big slow military FPS that people would love a fast paced Doom style game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:18:41 2014 No.1786135 >>1786106 Maybe you should be blaming the financial handlers at Ion Storm instead. John Romero is not the reason LGS closed; not the only one, at any rate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:20:36 2014 No.1786141 >>1786135 >Maybe you should be blaming the financial handlers at Ion Storm instead. ie John Romero.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:21:19 2014 No.1786145

>>1786104
Well this video proves that Quake, all in all, was pretty uninspiring in the end despite what all the /vr/ hipsters try to claim. Romero himself admits it wasn't the next level he was hoping for; rather it was simply a 'good' (i.e. acceptable) game. Indeed Quake was rushed and completely boring aesthetically. Level layout can only take you so far when everything else is so utterly sterile.

guy that read MOD Sun Jul 20 12:23:15 2014 No.1786149

>>1786141
>>Maybe you should be blaming the financial handlers at Ion Storm instead.

>ie John Romero.

Eidos kept throwing money at him every time he asked for more.

>>1786127
>Just hire him as a level designer and designer...

If I ran a studio, never in a million years would I let him do any developing. He's all ego. I doubt he would be able to complete tasks on time and I'm sure he'd do everything HIS way and if you got in his face about it he'd just say "fuck you I made doom"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:24:22 2014 No.1786152 File: 396 KB, 627x469, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's this qt doing in a den of neckbeards? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXw6BkZ-gdY

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:26:00 2014 No.1786156 In my teens i downloaded this the day it came out. Played it over the weekend as the net had died. MY GOD IT'S SHIT

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:29:56 2014 No.1786161

>>1786149
>Eidos kept throwing money at him every time he asked for more.

They were retards too. So it was both of them. I think Eidos believed the hype that Romero was "THE guy who made Doom and Quake". When in reality he was "A leading guy who made Doom and Quake".

"If this genius needs more money, what are we to say no to"

Then, it became an example of cost sunk fallacy. They've sunk millions into Ion Storm and Daikatana. They have to get the game out to recoup their losses. Which means pouring more millions at them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:31:27 2014 No.1786164 >>1786149 Romero's levels in Doom were the best. A solid reason why Doom II isn't as good, is because Romero hardly did any levels for it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:33:40 2014 No.1786168 >>1786152 Using the arrow keys like a fucking retard

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:38:09 2014 No.1786174 >>1786168 >>1786152 Was that the gamer chick Romero ended up marrying who then got a boob job?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:42:38 2014 No.1786186 >>1786168 Still better than playing Quake with a fucking joystick.

>>	NESfag Sun Jul 20 12:42:53 2014 No.1786189 >>1786152 >>1786104 Interesting videos. It comforts me since I believe Quake is shit and the only thing good about it is the level design

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:44:04 2014 No.1786192 >>1786164 Cute opinion m8. Doom II shits all over Doom.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:45:14 2014 No.1786193
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>tfw romero and carmack will never make another game
>you will never convince them to meet up where they will have a tearful reunion
>they will never make a new Doom using space age technology Carmack was holding on to just for romero
it hurts

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:45:33 2014 No.1786194 >>1786189 >since I believe Quake is shit and the only thing good about it is the level design Yup. You get it. Fuck, NESfag, I always agree with your French ass (at least 98% of the time). You should come over one day so I can fuck it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:47:02 2014 No.1786197 >>1786192 Your opinion is nice too, little buddy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:47:14 2014 No.1786198 >>1786193 Maybe they'll get back together some day... Although. I wonder if Romero could still do anything with all the engine advancements in 2014. He's been out of the game so fucking long. What is he even doing now?

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:50:22 2014 No.1786206

I'm trying to find a youtube interview or something where Carmack talks about Romero. Can't seem to find squat.

According to Romero he decided to quit id. According to some random youtube commentator, Carmack fired Romero.

I'd really like to know the truth. I'm amazed that I can't find Carmack talking about Romero at all; makes me respect him very much 'cause he's clearly too smart for the trash talk and doesn't want to stoop to that level.

Unless of course there is a video/interview somewhere...

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:52:57 2014 No.1786212

>>1786198
I vaguely remember reading on the intertrons like a year or two ago that Romero kinda reached out to Carmack in a way during an interview. I really can't remember how it went, but the gist of it was that Romero would like to work with Carmack again for another game. I never came across a response from Carmack though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:53:59 2014 No.1786214 >>1786206 Read/listen to Masters of Doom it goes into this extensively. He was fired.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:54:04 2014 No.1786216 >>1786048 >he hasn't designed an FPS since Check out Area 51.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:55:42 2014 No.1786219

>>1786212
*So Romero is up for it. Carmack however not so much. Besides Carmack has moved on... working on that Oculus stuff now.

Anyway it's not like Carmack has done anything particularly noteworthy himself since idtech3 (which imo was the greatest engine ever made). idtech4 and 5 both sucked balls. We'll see what idtech6 is like. Wonder if he even finished it before leaving for Oculus Rift.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:56:50 2014 No.1786221 >>1786214 Who wrote Masters of Doom? An inside source or just some autist?

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:56:54 2014 No.1786223

>>1786152
>Carmack and Jay Wilbur giving an interview
>little nervous but ok
>camera pans out
>they seem to be leaning against a sofa
>camera shows a room full of people, suits mixed up with guys drinking beer
>cat comes by over to Carmack

What is this? Seems awkward as fuck to do an interview like that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:58:42 2014 No.1786227 >>1786221 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kushner It doesn't explicitly say where he got the info. But it seems well researched. It seems to be based on interviews of all those involved, and whatever else he can find.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 12:59:03 2014 No.1786229 >>1786214 We can't know for sure but the impression I'm getting is Romero was kind of a dick. It seems he pissed everybody else off at id.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 13:00:19 2014 No.1786236 >>1786229 Oh he totally messed up. Starting with Doom II he slacked off majorly. I don't think they should have fired him though. It hurt the company a lot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 13:02:07 2014 No.1786240 >>1786223 This was back in '96 when gaming wasn't nearly the $ensation it is now. Thus there wasn't a smart marketing team there to spruce up the settings for the interview etc.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 13:02:26 2014 No.1786245

>>1786221
>An inside source or just some autist?

>Although Kushner adopts a novel-like narrative, Masters of Doom is a work of journalism. According to Kushner's notes in the book, it is based on hundreds of interviews conducted over a six-year period. Kushner was an early entrant into the field of video-game journalism, and recycled some of his own original reporting in the book.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masters_of_Doom#Content

I really wish there were other solid books like this too. I want to learn about the development and the people behind the other big games of the era. Duke Nukem 3D, Deus Ex, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 13:04:22 2014 No.1786253 >>1786236 Yeah... they shouldn't have. Bad move :(

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 13:09:21 2014 No.1786270

>>1786253

They should not have fired Tom Hall too. His ideas weren't working for Doom. So what? Why is clashing on one project = fire his ass? They seem like they were too quick to chuck talented people out. They should have said "okay these are nice ideas. But not for Doom". From the sound of things, he basically wanted to make Half-life years before Half-life. A narrative story and set-piece immersed FPS.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 13:13:31 2014 No.1786276 >>1786192 >boring tunnels. sewers and abstract cities/sewers that look like shit >awful use of color palette and lighting >better than Doom There is a time to be retarded and this isn't one of them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 13:15:42 2014 No.1786282 >>1786276 There's some nice Doom II levels and some awful ones. I like the first two levels a lot. I haaaaaaaaaate a bunch of the ones in the middle that are supposed to be cities but look like nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 13:18:44 2014 No.1786291 20 years later, is Carmack still mad at Romero?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 13:23:00 2014 No.1786303 >>1786152 developing software

Don Rumata !!rYqzYYFAejo Sun Jul 20 13:23:58 2014 No.1786305

Romero most likely hit his ceiling of growth with Doom (arguably Quake, which brings Doom into a more vertical dimension), and getting past that hasn't worked out for him. He programmed tons of little games when he worked at Softdisk, and his ken for game design is great even in the case of Quake, a project he rushed to complete. By the time Ion Storm arrived, though, he'd completely fallen for the games he helped develop...which is understandable, the Quake beta was way ahead of its time. Interviews tell me he's learned his limits by now; guy didn't mean to use the "Bitch" quote ad anyway.

Whatever happens, I hope he gets another shot at making FPSes, or platformers, or those CRPGs he's wanted to do for a long time. Just don't let him manage a production ever, he didn't do that back at id.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 13:25:07 2014 No.1786309 >>1786291 I guess. They haven't worked together since.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 13:26:20 2014 No.1786313 >>1786305 >42 million dollars in 3 years

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 13:29:14 2014 No.1786319 >>1786193 I haven't seen that picture outside of /co/. I think I was the one who requested it. I miss Gumball's S1 design.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 14:29:30 2014 No.1786468

>>1786276
>implying anything in Doom gets anywhere close to levels like O of Destruction
>implying Doom II's levels aren't generally much larger with far more gameplay variety owing to mixes of more open and confined areas rather than Doom's constantly small corridor-y feel
>implying Doom can touch the gameplay dynamics of Doom II's far greater amount of enemies with fresh attacks
>implying taking on a far greater amount of enemies at once isn't fucking awesome
>implying Doom gets anywhere near Doom II's kill count or challenge
>implying SSG isn't one of the most badass vidya guns ever made
>implying Doom has better music
>implying you aren't a typical nostalgic hipster casual valuing 'atmosphere' over actual gameplay

pleb pls. if you were mature you'd be able to appreciate how subjective this is but you brought it upon yourself by proclaiming your crappy opinion to be fact. Sorry son that just doesn't fly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 14:30:53 2014 No.1786472 >>1786291 >>1786309 He needs to take the tampon out

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 14:33:21 2014 No.1786479 >>1786291 Carmack has sand in his vagina

>>	【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!1i/SfJU2EAX Sun Jul 20 14:37:35 2014 No.1786489 >>1785969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gNl4Z8YUvE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv8HPifO6z0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPplVAOHxxw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK_kJjqNhvE

>>	【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!1i/SfJU2EAX Sun Jul 20 14:42:36 2014 No.1786507 File: 29 KB, 400x549, daikatana_john_romero_make_you_his_bitch.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] wwww

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 14:45:19 2014 No.1786517

Uh, so from what I've gathered, the real problem with Daikatana is that you're forced to coop at all times with AI buddies, and the AI is really fucking retarded. Is that it? Has somebody made a mod of this game where you can just do it solo?

>>1786507
He claims in interviews that this wasn't his idea. He said the marketing guy did it and afterwards he was mad at him. I don't believe him, personally.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 14:46:56 2014 No.1786521 >>1786489 wtf

>>	NESfag Sun Jul 20 14:47:13 2014 No.1786524 >>1786517 It's not the only problem. Everything is shit about the game. After I bought this game, I returned to the store and sold it back to them on the same day. I think I'll remember that day my entire life.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 14:49:05 2014 No.1786528 >>1786524 really? damn lol >sold it back it's called getting a refund my dear frenchman. or did you 'sell it back' for a lesser price AKA trade in or smething? I did the same thing for Far Cry 2 but it wasn't the same day. Damn that game sucked ass.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 14:53:20 2014 No.1786542

>>1786517
Limited saves, useless weapons, too many small bug type enemies.
Level design is better than Quake 2 when it's not throwing generic sci fi corridors at you, but the thing is at the time when this came out we already had Half Life, Unreal and Quake 3 which are far better games.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 14:56:25 2014 No.1786551

>>1786542
>Limited saves,

A bonus since save scumming is the bane of PC games.

>useless weapons, too many small bug type enemies.

Legit critiques.

>Level design is better than Quake 2 when it's not throwing generic sci fi corridors at you, but the thing is at the time when this came out we already had Half Life, Unreal and Quake 3 which are far better games.

Not fair critiques. Especially since it's basically a 1997 or 1998 game that was horribly delayed many times.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 14:56:41 2014 No.1786553 >>1786542 Also the writing and cutscenes are embarassingly bad, PS1 era quality voice acting and dialogue. This could be either a good or a bad thing depending on how you look at it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 14:56:47 2014 No.1786556 >>1786528 Far Cry 2 was great, but not /vr/. Still, it's the only AAA shooter in recent memory not to compromise for casuals.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 14:59:31 2014 No.1786559
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>>1786556
You implying I'm a casual? Fuck off faggot that game was easy and it sucked balls. But yeah, not /vr/.

>>1786206
>I'm amazed that I can't find Carmack talking about Romero at all; makes me respect him very much 'cause he's clearly too smart for the trash talk and doesn't want to stoop to that level.

Hah, apparently he isn't above the trash talk, actually. Nice little dig in pic related according to the Daikatana wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daikatana

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:00:33 2014 No.1786562 >>1785969 John Romeros accountant is about to make him his bitch.

NESfag Sun Jul 20 15:00:36 2014 No.1786563

>>1786528
Yeah, I traded it in. Basically I was in my teens, on a wednesday I ride a bus to go in town, see this game on the store shelf and the back it says "New FPS the maker of Doom and Quake!" or something so I think "What?! How comes I never heard of it before?!".
So I take it, go back home, play for several hours and in the middle of the afternoon, go back there to trade it in.

I bought it used for cheap so I "only" lost a few bucks, but what's worse is how it ruined my day.
The only worse 'gaming experience' I've had is when out of curiosity I bought a game.com and RE2 for it and tried to play it.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:01:28 2014 No.1786569

>>1786553
>>1786551
>>1786542
Limited saves/no manual saves are a good thing. I wish more PC games did this. Quick saving can completely ruin any game.

Daikatana's real problem was terrible load times (at the time), completely inconsistent level design, poor controls, stupid AI, and the fact that most of the difficulty came from poor design rather than legitimate challenges.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:03:44 2014 No.1786576 I had a professor who used to tell the story of Daikatana as a cautionary tale. It worked.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:03:48 2014 No.1786578 >>1786562 >John Romeros accountant is about to make him his bitch. John made a healthy paycheck from all that. It was all of Eidos' money he was burning. But it meant that he bascially could never work again in a major project in games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:04:50 2014 No.1786584 >>1786576 What class? Was it a business class?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:07:22 2014 No.1786595 >>1786584 game design I later came to my senses and changed universities. Now I'm in Comp Sci.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:07:28 2014 No.1786596

>>1786517

>I don't believe him, personally

He's a talented game designer who needs to come back and do level design or something, but overwhelming evidence indicates that Romero is a top-level asshole who will totally alienate everyone around him given half the chance.

Also, was Daikatana the beginning of long, insulting, fuck-you-we're-auteurs-and-it's-finished-when-we-say development cycles?

I miss the days when game designers were just socially awkward nerds making tailored product for a specific niche.

I know Romero was a socially-awkward nerd who got lots of money and an ego, but I'm just saying.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:08:30 2014 No.1786603

>Russ Berger Design Group, a firm most known for its work in designing recording studios, was responsible for interior design of the headquarters. This included a ten-foot-wide company logo set into the terrazzo floor of the lobby and matching green elevator doors.[2] The headquarters included a "crash room," a dormitory facility with two beds, three couches, a VCR, a wide screen television, and two telephone booths. It also housed a gaming room with a Ping-Pong table and four arcade machines, a changing area, and a shower room. The headquarters included these facilities because many employees in the video game industry work long hours at a time.[5]

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:08:35 2014 No.1786604

>>1786569
I disagree, not saving is only a good idea if you already played through once well enough to know your way through the levels and are speedrunning.

Save scumming sucks but you can work around that by disciplining yourself or playing on a lower difficulty if your skills are not up to the task. Wasting two hours of progress is NOT challenging or fun.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:09:11 2014 No.1786606
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Holy shit Daikatana was released so late... in fucking 2000. It's barely 'retro' according to /vr/ standards. I'm kind of amazed. Looking at youtube videos it looks older than it actually is. Like a '97-'98 game tops.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:09:38 2014 No.1786609 >>1786604 >played through the game once Autofixd.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:09:51 2014 No.1786612 >>1786556 >far cry 2 >great The only good thing about that god-awful trendy fucking 'art game' abortion of a series is Blood Dragon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:10:29 2014 No.1786616 >>1786606 >Like a '97-'98 game tops. Because that's what it is. It's a game from 97-98 that was massively delayed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:11:19 2014 No.1786620 >>1786612 Far Cry sucks ass but how the fuck is it an "art game"? Art games are like braid or gone home or journey or whatever the fuck, Far Cry is just an open world FPS

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:11:26 2014 No.1786621 >>1786604 The save system in Daikatana was awful. Nonetheless, I hate the knee-jerk reaction that the mustard race has against any limits on save scumming.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:11:29 2014 No.1786623 >>1786616 It's still slightly below average even for 97 standards. Half Life came out in 96.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:12:49 2014 No.1786627 >>1786621 People who use the term 'save scumming' are essentially defining themselves as NEETS. I have shit to do, which is why I need to save my game whenever and wherever I want, for quick and easy continuing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:13:40 2014 No.1786634 >>1786623 Whoop, half life was from 98 actually. I suck nigger cock.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:14:00 2014 No.1786635 >>1786612 Blood Dragon was trash. Pseudo-retro style without any retro substance. Far Cry 2 was decent on higher difficulties.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:16:58 2014 No.1786646

>>1786635

>Michael Biehn
>song from fucking Miami Connection over the ending credits
>no retro substance

Did it not have enough hovering ammunition packs for you? Not everything from that time is worth doing. And it was more interested in old movies and cartoons than games anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:17:20 2014 No.1786648 >>1786627 Save scumming is saving every two seconds and reloading with every mistake. What you described is commonly referred to as "saving."

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:18:37 2014 No.1786652 >>1786646 By "retro substance," I meant challenge and carefully balanced mechanics.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:20:28 2014 No.1786654 >>1786648 This is what it's supposed to mean, but it's not the way people using the term intend it. It's as useless now as the word 'misogyny'.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:21:55 2014 No.1786659 >>1786652 It's supposed to imitate bad action movies from the 80s, not doom 2

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:22:53 2014 No.1786660 >>1786081 >Carmak fired his ass because all he did all day was play Doom while everyone was working on Doom 2 lol, another idiot who didn't even read the book

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:24:21 2014 No.1786668 >>1786659 Bad movies, as well as NES/C64 games. Did you miss the pixelated cutscenes and the main bloody menu?

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:24:34 2014 No.1786670

>>1786627
>I can't git gud 'cause I don't have the time
>I don't have the time but I still have the time to talk trash on /vr/
Casual pls. I have a job, girlfriend and all the perks of a normalfag existence but I don't have to resort to savescumming. It's fine to suck at video games but you don't have to start getting personal with people that are actually able to play them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:25:50 2014 No.1786673 >>1786670 See >>1786654

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:26:03 2014 No.1786674 File: 27 KB, 367x451, AH_000621_565910[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1786559 >this one guy who keeps posting in this thread acting like playing video games makes him tough

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:26:31 2014 No.1786675
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>>1786090
>>1786104
You're completely fucking retarded if you think that video shows Romero claiming to have "virtually made the entire game by himself, working 7 days a week, all day erry day". That's in fact that exact opposite of what he claims which is that everyone was working so hard TOGETHER than they were ALL burnt out.

>>	Dessicated Corpse Sun Jul 20 15:27:30 2014 No.1786679 >>1785969 This game is pretty good to be honest, don't understand why a lot of people hate it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:27:41 2014 No.1786681 >>1786660 How's he wrong m8? Please explain. >>1786674 >This one who gets upset at internet banter.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:28:20 2014 No.1786683 >>1786670 >bragging about being good at daikatana lel

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:29:31 2014 No.1786687 >>1786683 Uh, nigger I haven't even played Daikatana lol. I don't even know what you're mad about right now haha

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:31:40 2014 No.1786690 >>1786687 Thing is, daikatana skills are defined by how well you can work around the glitchy AI. Shit like managing to have two characters on an elevator at the same time are what makes you good at Daikatana.

>>	NESfag Sun Jul 20 15:32:11 2014 No.1786692 >>1786675 No. He doesn't specifically says "I made the game alone" but he does say "After making the engine; everyone was burnt out and didn't have the strength to make the actual game while I still worked 7 days a week"

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:32:26 2014 No.1786694

>>1786681
He's wrong because it's a stupid exaggeration that does not accurately describe the situation. He wasn't fired until well after Doom 2 for starters, and the book describes Carmack as acknowledging that his levels were still the best ones in Doom 2 (you may disagree). Romero did play a lot of deathmatch and was accused of not working hard enough, but there was a lot more to it than just sitting around playing Doom, and the final split didn't come until post-Quake when everyone including Romero had been in full crunch mode.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:33:48 2014 No.1786698 >>1786692 No, he says they were too burnt out to try a different game design, something he wanted that he felt would be more ambitious. It has nothing to do with him claiming to be working harder than anyone else.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:34:22 2014 No.1786702

>>1786675
Calm down son.

See what he says at around the 6 minute mark. Specifically around 6:26: "Everyone else is like, 'we're done.'" After that he basically implies that he was the mule pulling the game development through everything after the engine had been designed.

>>	Dessicated Corpse Sun Jul 20 15:37:43 2014 No.1786709 >>1786090 I don't think he said he created all of them, I think he said he finished all of it off. By the time id decided to make Quake a FPS, a lot of the levels were already complete.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:40:33 2014 No.1786715

>>1786709
Yes my memory was a little off, he certainly didn't say he did 'everything' after the engine was developed. But watching the video he still implies that he was the main guy pulling the game through once the engine had been developed and implies that nobody else really cared 'cause they were so burnt out.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:42:17 2014 No.1786719

>>1786702
That comment is specifically about not attempting a new game design and how the prevailing opinion was to just go with Doom-style weapons and stuff. He doesn't imply anything about how he was the "mule" which wouldn't even make sense because he's saying they went with an easy design that everyone was familiar with. The fact that he says "I worked 7 days a week" is because this is an interview with him, duh. He also says "we" all the time too.

And if he was the guy who put it online and no one else was in the office, that's simply an interesting fact of the situation and not him claiming that the game was all his doing.

Everyone watches and reads this shit without giving a damn about trying to understand the situation, they just want to reinforce their own opinions of good guy/bad guy.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:44:19 2014 No.1786723

>>1786719
Well Idk. I get the impression that he's implying nobody else really gave a shit about making the game once the engine was done. His final point about how we was alone to father all the final materials and upload it to the internet really enforces that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:45:22 2014 No.1786726 >>1786723 *gather

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:55:07 2014 No.1786740 File: 128 KB, 1152x321, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Poor Tom Hall. Such a bro.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 15:58:48 2014 No.1786756 >>1786559 That's not trash talk at all. That schedule really is patently ludicrous, it was a factual statement.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 16:00:05 2014 No.1786758 >>1786756 It's none of his business. It may have been true but it's trash talk. Romero wasn't exactly asking Carmack for constructive criticism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 16:11:57 2014 No.1786789 I've heard Daikatana gets somewhat better after the first part of the game (in Japan I think?)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 16:15:07 2014 No.1786793 >>1786603 Publishers seem completely obsessed with profits and nothing else yet they go and okay this shit? What the fuck man.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 16:18:29 2014 No.1786802

>>1786793

They saw dollar signs with Romero. They thought he would be a cash cow putting out ID tier hit after hit. Then after that I think they fell into cost sunk fallacy and kept pumping millions into the company just so Daikatana could be finished.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 16:20:49 2014 No.1786812 >>1786793 It's pretty common nowadays to have 'resting' rooms in big offices. New kind of 'modern magement', the better the employee feels, the better his work will be. They just did it before most other people did.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 16:20:55 2014 No.1786813 >>1786802 He had complete creative freedom and unlimited money with Daikatana and he put out that piece of shit lol. LOL

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 16:22:21 2014 No.1786818

>>1786127
>I imagine it's less bad today, with Publishers having tighter control over games. The 90's was the era of vanity game companies led by some "rock star". Their offices were always huge wastes of money filled with stupid shit they didn't need. They always tried too hard to have a "cool" work environment.

Derailing but it's an interesting subject

I remember in Retro gamer a profile of one of the devs, Software Creations, who were smack dab in the middle of Manchester during the "Madchester" Music boom. They would code by day then get wasted by night and UK Publishers didn't care as long as they shipped product. One designer even had to go to rehab to get off cocaine and it put off several visiting 1st party. Especially Nintendo who were looking to buy a UK studio and were really impressed by a 2D Platformer they made that eventually became Plok (They settled on Rareware instead and just contracted them out for a Super Scope Six game. The talent behind it left and created a new Studio, ZedTwo that immediately got on Nintendo's "Dream Team" N64 developers list and created Wetrix)

That's a thing I'd love to see. Old war stories from devs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 16:24:55 2014 No.1786826 >>1786812 Vidya companies usually have a pool table or a ping pong table in the break room because it apparently gets people thinking competitively and gets them to have brainwaves. Most good companies will have that or a selection of boardgames.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 16:28:51 2014 No.1786838
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>>1786029

he needs someone like Carmack to slap him over the head with a rolled-up paper every now and again. Then we get stuff like Doom and Quake 1. Romero actually wasn't happy with Quake 1. He meant to turn it into more of a Daikatana-like, luckily they decided that it'd take too much time and they'd just stick to a basic FPS.

Same thing happened with George Broussard, he had too much creative control on DNF and never knew when to quit adding new ideas.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 16:34:37 2014 No.1786865 >>1786648 I started save scumming in fallout because iit was buggy as hell. I can't stop, help

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 16:40:54 2014 No.1786885 >>1786865 It's PC gaming. One of the main draws is that you do whatever the hell you want. You want to savescum through shitty sections? By all means, do so. You want to challenge yourself by trying to 1cc an epic RPG? You can do that too.

>>	【エリカ(④ ＾ヮ＾)】 !!54bDy3LQvy8 Sun Jul 20 16:53:07 2014 No.1786919 >>1786521 wwww

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:04:45 2014 No.1786942 >>1786489 I wish I could have this much fun with dumb shit like that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:08:06 2014 No.1786953 >>1786838 DNF might of been at least semi-decent if Gearbox hadn't just duct-taped everything together at the last minute instead of trying to finish it properly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:11:23 2014 No.1786961 >>1785969 Perhaps it is just my latent desires surfacing, but does it look like she has a package?

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:11:41 2014 No.1786962

>>1786953

I didn't think it was that bad. There were a lot of agendas behind the criticism of it; you were either a modern feminist PC weirdo trying to score points with your cultural constituents, or a rabid retro nerd who had an image of what DN3D had been that was blown out of proportion, and DNF could never have lived up to it anyway.

It wasn't great or anything, but it does more or less what I expected of it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:12:19 2014 No.1786967 >>1786942 I get that feel every time I go on /vr/

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:15:50 2014 No.1786980
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Did anyone ever get a hold of the Daikatana comic that was released during the game launch? Tried finding scans, nothing but dead links everywhere. I wonder if it's any good.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:15:56 2014 No.1786982 >>1786838 lol hacks

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:16:58 2014 No.1786984 >>1786953 How much more money are you gonna waste on something though? Better to just release the fucking demon already.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:18:03 2014 No.1786986 >>1786961 yeah it does fag

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:18:05 2014 No.1786987

>>1785969

Good. The idiots that Romero coned into funding this abortion deserved to lose every penny, and more. I hope everyone involved contracted anal warts and an urinary track infection too.

Does Carmak still chuckle himself to sleep every night thinking about this?

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:21:21 2014 No.1786997

>>1786962
Yeah I did enjoy it quite a bit (and it's much more enjoyable on the PC with 4 weapon limit instead of the 2 on the consoles) but I fully admit I was biased because I'm a Duke fanboy.

It was alot closer to half-life than the original game though, but that was always gonna be the case with DNF so I liked that part of it.

>>1786984
Also true, but as the game proved shoving it out the door was a greedy mistake, and not only did it bomb but it also fucked up Duke's reputation even more. God I fucking hate Gearbox (and to think how much I loved Opposing Force)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:22:34 2014 No.1787000 File: 34 KB, 298x279, 1364242146053.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1786986 Giggity?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:24:52 2014 No.1787007 >>1787000 nah nice trips

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:25:42 2014 No.1787013 Deus Ex and Anachronox were fantastic games, so some good came out of the whole Ion Storm debacle If you read Masters of Doom, it seems like a good concept for a video game company, just not with someone like Romero in charge

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 17:33:56 2014 No.1787041 >>1787013 Deus Ex sucks dick

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 18:36:06 2014 No.1787204 >>1787013 Deus Ex was created by Ion Storm Austin, far from the Dallas office where shit was hitting the fan. At least that's what wikipedia tells me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 19:44:04 2014 No.1787378 File: 77 KB, 320x320, gb.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1785969 This was all well worth the gameboy game. We should talk about that instead because its actually fun.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 19:47:29 2014 No.1787395 >>1786623 Half-Life was released in 1998. I remember it well because that Christmas season had the holy trinity of Half-Life, Ocarina of Time, and Metal Gear Solid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 19:50:17 2014 No.1787403 >>1787395 But only two of those games were good. Hint: It wasn't the one from Nintendo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 19:55:40 2014 No.1787416 >>1786189 >says the guys who likes powerslave and redneck rampage >build engine games stop namefagging you piece of shit, will make shitposting a little bit harder to tie to your endless faggotry

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 20:55:42 2014 No.1787565 File: 8 KB, 200x120, carmackfish.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1786987 I'm going to tread into shitpost territory but holy crap please stop writing Carmack without the second "c" in there.

>>	plok !vYQGs60oe6 Sun Jul 20 21:42:18 2014 No.1787668 File: 65 KB, 774x1032, Jaw_Drop_by_Masterswordman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1786818 >One designer even had to go to rehab to get off cocaine and it put off several visiting 1st party.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 21:43:24 2014 No.1787671 >>1786953 >might of been You're too young to be here. Come back when you have finished grade school and learned how to speak and spell.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 21:51:01 2014 No.1787695 >>1786270 To me it always sounded more like System Shock before System Shock, which was a fucking awesome game, and I'd love to see Doom with System Shock like things.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 23:20:33 2014 No.1787930 >>1787204 Yeah, but Romero hired Warren Specter. He wanted someone to balance out him (fps guy) and Tom Hall.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 23:33:06 2014 No.1787961

>>1786152
>neckbeards
Quake and Doom despite the source of a lot of their influences, D&D and Lovecraft are not themselves direct derivatives nor do they actually greatly pander to fans of either. Neckbeards were more likely to nethack than Doom. A neckbeard is ironically more likely to sit down with Halo than Quake even though Halo is also the territory of his arch-enemy the Jock. Womenfolk are generally accepted but not overly common in Doom and Quake communities. D&Q communities are more likely to have gaming geeks with potentially a leaning towards nerdishness. You're more likely to find for example a programmer or engineer of some variant among the masses than a LARPer.
In a similar fashion neckbeards would in general prefer to listen to J-pop or Neutral Milk Hotel. D&Q communities would likely more listen to NIN or Megadeth.
Neckbeards are passively condescending, they try to make themselves look smart. D&Q communities are more actively condescending, they'll rip you one for being stupid to the point neckbeards would consider bullying. D&Q communities tend to have an attitude closer to 'culling the weak.' You step up and take your abuse and learn. Neckbeards typically gravitate towards RPGs and games that allow them virtualized power through grinding and equipment rather than actual skilled domination.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 23:35:12 2014 No.1787972 >>1786612 I thought the first one and Instincts were pretty solid. Except for the AI, fuck that bullshit on higher difficulties.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 20 23:39:35 2014 No.1787990 >>1787961 >autism: the post lol quit with the denial m8. PC gamers are mainly neckbeards. this is a fact of life.

Anonymous Sun Jul 20 23:39:47 2014 No.1787992 [DELETED]

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>>1786189
>>1786189
>>1786189

>implying you aren't riding the bandwagon of that complete shit errant signal video where he pretends Quake is terrible

You need to start thinking for yourself bro.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 00:02:06 2014 No.1788068 >>1787565 THE TEKNOGOD KARMAK SHALL UNLEASH HIS WRATH A VIRTUAL WORLD IS HIS INEVITABLE PATH

Anonymous Mon Jul 21 01:45:46 2014 No.1788347

>>1786838
>Then we get stuff like Doom and Quake 1. Romero actually wasn't happy with Quake 1. He meant to turn it into more of a Daikatana-like, luckily they decided that it'd take too much time and they'd just stick to a basic FPS.

He could have literally killed the FPS genre.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 03:18:06 2014 No.1788548 >>1786987 I don't think Carmack's the type who would give an ounce of a shit either way. Just a quick "mmm" and then back to whatever he's occupied with. He's far from sentimental.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 03:33:51 2014 No.1788571 >>1788068 what? shut up autist

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 06:24:05 2014 No.1788798 Duke Nukem 3D was far more enjoyable than Quake, and the best fps till hl/halo, even though Quake was 3D.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 06:57:12 2014 No.1788827 >>1788798 >till hl/halo, Get the fuck out retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 07:10:46 2014 No.1788846 File: 43 KB, 900x292, suckitdown.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 07:59:03 2014 No.1788907 >>1788846 Those fake Romero posts were the best part of that LP.

Anonymous Mon Jul 21 08:52:17 2014 No.1788951

>>1787668

Well yeah, why do you think they would have such a schizophrenic catalog? You had classics like Solstice, Plok and Equinox then garbage like Spider-Man and The X-Men. Some days they were utterly amazing. Some, complete turd.

But that's the story of a lot of studios that went down the gutter (Or the publishers fucked up in the cases of devs like Looking Glass)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 09:11:06 2014 No.1788979 >>1788827 >opinions

plok !vYQGs60oe6 Mon Jul 21 09:14:41 2014 No.1788984

>>1788951

Because not all the developers were good. Two of the three games you mentioned were made by John & Ste Pickford (the Zed Two guys).

I guess it just shatters my image of the company, because I've studied the history of it (and Plok specifically) a lot.

Anonymous Mon Jul 21 09:18:16 2014 No.1788989

>>1788984

I wish I remembered the issue but they have done Software Creations a few times. Interesting story if not pleasant reading.

And yeah, I remember the Pickfords. Top blokes. Even paid for and ran the RLLMUK when the Edge forums were taken down after the Driver 3 scandal. Again, another shadow of themselves (That and NTSC-UK were good. Then the console war garbage shitposting infected everywhere)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 09:19:28 2014 No.1788990 >>1788846 >less >not fewer Fake Romero is a fake asshole

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 09:37:53 2014 No.1789016 >>1787403 Biased asshurt nintendfags firing up their warp zones and time travel. But srsly why the new fad to bash on OOT? It wasn't Jesus's 2nd coming but for a pioneer 3d zelda adventure game it was tits. Stop following ego raptors chinless rantings

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 09:40:58 2014 No.1789023 >>1788798 All Build Engine games were better than Quake, though Quake had loads of disagreements during development, which resulted in a halfarsed product. Only good thing out of it was the Multiplayer.

Anonymous Mon Jul 21 09:42:59 2014 No.1789030

>>1789023
I think one of my biggest isuses with Quake are the levels are just a blur. They aren't exactly distinctive, and the brown, featureless palette just drives that home. There's a few memorable points in the game, but for the most part it pretty clearly suffered from direction issues.

Its easily the worst of the 3 retro Quake games.

Anonymous Mon Jul 21 09:52:45 2014 No.1789046

>>1789030
I think the contrasting settings and abstract level design really enhances the horror aspect of the game. Plus, I love the claustrophobic, tricky McGee levels and the trappy dungeon style Petersen levels. Quake single player seems to be pretty contentious, but I love it. Not as good as doom, but way better than duke nuke 3d

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 09:55:27 2014 No.1789049 >>1787990 There is a vast spectrum of neck beards, my man

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 09:56:43 2014 No.1789052 >>1789046 >Quake single player seems to be pretty contentious, but I love it. Not as good as doom, but way better than duke nuke 3d >but way better than duke nuke 3d Maybe better than the 2nd episode of DN3D, but that's it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 10:25:07 2014 No.1789107 >>1789052 None of the build engine games really did it for me like quake or doom. Personal preference, not worth arguing about really

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 10:46:49 2014 No.1789141 >>1789030 I never liked the original Quake, even at the time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 10:48:31 2014 No.1789147 >>1786081 He did Hyperspace Delivery Boy with Tom Hall, which from all accounts is actually pretty damn good. That's all I know though, and you're pretty much spot on.

Anonymous Mon Jul 21 10:50:41 2014 No.1789148

>>1786740
Anachronox is a fucking gem and it's such a shame that Romero pulled him under so much. (Would've liked to hear more about Anachronox in Masters of Doom incidentally, especially since it had a similarly troubled development history, but it only had a couple of lines, which is a bit of a shame.)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 10:53:23 2014 No.1789156 >>1787378 I agree that it's good, it's just a bit too linear for my liking and the Capcom Zeldas did a lot of what it did better.. Still worth a look though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 10:57:00 2014 No.1789160 >>1786291 I think they've gotten over it, but I still don't see them doing anything together for another, ooh, twenty years at least.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 10:59:03 2014 No.1789168 >>1786758 Romero was a self-important dickhead who could've used constructive criticism though, that's the thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 11:35:41 2014 No.1789221 >>1786489 >katt_williams_plays_daikatana.avi

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 11:51:17 2014 No.1789263 >>1789168 you sure you aren't talking about yourself m8?

Anonymous Mon Jul 21 12:04:07 2014 No.1789291

>>1786542
>>1786621
>>1786569
>>1786604
>>1786627

Limited saves as in like Resident Evil or limited saves as in like with save points?

Also, I thought the real "fuck casuals" ideal for saving was to never have any saving ever and to never save in a game that has a save function.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 12:11:26 2014 No.1789312 >>1789291 By "with save points" I mean only being able to save at save points. I don't mind RE style saving if it's not easy to totally fuck yourself over in a playthrough and make the game unwinnable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 12:15:39 2014 No.1789317 >>1786627 Save scumming specifically refers to people exploiting save systems by reloading something until they reach a favorable outcome. It's the same thing as save state abuse in emulators, essentially.

Anonymous Mon Jul 21 12:17:12 2014 No.1789319

>>1789148
>(Would've liked to hear more about Anachronox in Masters of Doom incidentally, especially since it had a similarly troubled development history, but it only had a couple of lines, which is a bit of a shame.)

yeah the book focuses on Romero and Carmack. There's all this side stuff that I'd LOVE to hear about. I want sequels focusing on them.

>Deus Ex development book

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 12:18:41 2014 No.1789323 >>1786145 The mod-ability, burgeoning online community and the advent of mouselook are what made Quake good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 13:07:44 2014 No.1789398 >>1789312 >not making two save entries and alternating between the two so you dont overwrite yourself into unwinnable situations.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 13:17:24 2014 No.1789426 File: 101 KB, 1280x960, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I can't leave without my buddy Superfly!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 13:21:32 2014 No.1789431 >>1789426 Some guy was trying to force this on /v/ in like 2006-7 and I will never forget it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 14:09:04 2014 No.1789516 https://web.archive.org/web/20041009132424/http://www.gamespot.com/features/btg-daikatana/index.html I read this yesterday and thought it was pretty interesting. Never thought that I would find a relevant thread to link it in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 16:03:25 2014 No.1789812 >>1789431 i remember that. I think it was from the penny arcade forums.

Anonymous Mon Jul 21 18:13:58 2014 No.1790130

>>1786556
>>1786612
>>1786646
Far Cry 2 was awful

>enemies respawn as soon as you go more than 100 feet away

>enemies with perfect hitscan aiming in a 2008 game

>Lots of game breaking bugs that Ubishit never fixed, i.e. if you complete the missions in a certain order, around halfway through you get stuck and have to start over - this bug exists in all versions (PC, 360, PS3)

Btw, Blood Dragon was based on the FC3 engine, not FC2.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 18:20:56 2014 No.1790154 File: 25 KB, 336x329, 1377087456198.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1786193 >tearful reunion >Carmack

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 21 18:55:19 2014 No.1790252 Ion Storm was still run less batshit than 3D Realms.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 00:58:16 2014 No.1791414 >>1790154 true, it would be more of a >Dude! I can't believe we're making a fucking game together! This is going to be some awesome shit! >Yes, it will indeed be very interesting to work with you again. Mmm.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 01:53:23 2014 No.1791584 >>1790130 >FC3 engine That's why I said it came out of the series.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 01:56:32 2014 No.1791587 >>1791414 I keep thinking back to QuakeCon last year when Carmack spoke on stage, and just before he started talking you could hear an audible 'mmm' over the mic. Goddamn I cracked up, he really is the robot man.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 02:02:57 2014 No.1791603 >>1786145 > boring aesthetically Quake 1 has the best atmosphere of any FPS game I've ever played. Just personal preference I guess. But I know a lot of people agree with me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 08:36:40 2014 No.1792349 >>1791603 I wouldn't say it's the best, but it's okay.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 17:01:56 2014 No.1793521 So the new Humble Bundle has Daikatana in it along with a bunch of other Square-Enix games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 23:21:34 2014 No.1794767 I wonder why they didn't include any trailers for the games in 1$ tier in that Bundle. Look at this shit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zFxpFbSLYI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSSWZkiGL8A It makes you hyped as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 22 23:24:06 2014 No.1794771 File: 199 KB, 5000x5000, you wont sleep tonight.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1791587 mm smack on there

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 00:58:44 2014 No.1795131 >>1794771 >on there yeah lol HE SAYS THAT SHIT ALL THE TIME I never wondered if anybody else had noticed but I'm glad it's actually a 'thing'

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 11:46:11 2014 No.1796174 >>1794771 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uooh0Y9fC_M 0:42 ish, you can barely hear the mmmmm, gotta turn it up loud. Slightly high pitched like a robot. I, for one, accept our new machine overlord.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 11:52:31 2014 No.1796195 >>1796174 I think you're imagining it bro. I don't hear shit, listening with headphones. >new He's been our overlord now for over 20 years m8

Anonymous Wed Jul 23 11:55:51 2014 No.1796202
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>>1794771
>>1795131
>>1796174
>>1796195
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui4zp71oDcI

Carmack offered to give the speech at this year's Quakecon but they didn't call him back to do it. Understandable, he's not longer a part of id and I guess the company has to move forward. Still kinda sad in a way.

Also Carmack is fucking kawaii omg. I wish I had his brain :(

Anonymous Wed Jul 23 12:23:46 2014 No.1796264

>>1786468
Episode 1 of doom had the best level designs out of any episode. I won't argue about your points of doom 2.
I'm not the guy you're responding to but it's really hard for me to pick a favorite. The city levels, especially the ones with buildings you can go into in doom 2 make me feel like doom is the best. But then I'll get to courtyard and hitting all the triggers at once and mowing down enemies is a better experience than doom.
They're like my children, I love them equally

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 12:55:02 2014 No.1796361 >>1789030 >ziggurat vertigo >azure agony >gloom keep >wizard's manse >the dismal oubliette dude these levels are insanely memorable. I just think it's been too long since you've played Quake. If anything, leave Quake to the Quake players.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 12:56:05 2014 No.1796363 >>1789431 Oh. Hi again.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 13:06:38 2014 No.1796394 >thread about daikatana >dissolves into bitchfit about doom and quake

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 14:25:22 2014 No.1796602 >>1796361 Q2 has more memorable locations than Q1, which was one big dark maze

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 16:59:12 2014 No.1797029 >>1796602 As opposed to one big dark warehouse maze. Remember that level with the boxes, lol? Oh ya, all of them.

Anonymous Wed Jul 23 17:11:33 2014 No.1797074

>>1797029
>John Romero on Quake II and DOOM

>Friday, 12 December, 1997 at 1:09 PST | | Print News

>I'm not one to post about the musings of most .plan files, but occasionally there's a real gem, and tonight it came from Ion Storm co-founder John Romero. John's observations about Quake II would interest any gamer. "Oh my god," he exclaims. "Quake 2 is the most impressive game I've ever played on a computer." He raves about the graphics ("...simply amazing. The colored lighting MAKES this game..."), the maps ("the levels inQuake 2 are the most beautifully architected alternate realities i've ever experienced..."), the models, animation, and textures ("justamazing...!") and the music ("i TOTALLY LOVE IT! Playing Q2 with the music really gets your adrenaline pumping!") Other than a couple nitpicks about weapon behavior, it was a positive review all around! (Speaking of the music, Quake II musician Sascha Dikiciyan of Sonic Mayhem is one of the special guests at this weekend's PlanetQuake BeatDown).

http://planetquake.gamespy.com/fullstory.php?id=58174

suck it down

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 17:16:58 2014 No.1797101 >>1797074 Or not. You didn't refute it. All you did was suggest that Romero really fucking loves dark warehouse mazes and boxes. And look where that got him... making Facebook games and being the creator of Daikatana.

>>	Don Rumata !!rYqzYYFAejo Wed Jul 23 17:17:57 2014 No.1797110 >>1797101 Oh man, he must love SiN. Game's great, but it would give Old Man Murray a heart attack.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 17:22:11 2014 No.1797128 >>1797101 He made Quake lol, the game you jerk off over every single night. Are you that same sperg from the other day who was going apeshit about Quake? I'm getting a real sperglord vibe from you anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 17:24:42 2014 No.1797135 >>1797101 Quake 2 still had far more variety of environments than the first game did. It actually had a sense of progression rather than one random maze after the other. I can't believe you're even trying to argue about this lol.

Anonymous Wed Jul 23 17:26:32 2014 No.1797137

>>1797110
To be fair though the game is set in a warehouse so the crates have a reason to be there and they don't need palettes because the strogg lift them up from the top or sides with mechanigrabby things.
They've even got bazillions of crates on a conveyor and large moving crates that go back and fourth.
They've got ginormous crates that enemies hide in and explode out of. Yes, the strogg keep exploding crates with strogg in them in case you get near their crates.
Also, the game was being designed originally as "crate defenders" but they said fuck it, throw the name Quake on it, it'll generate crate loads of sales.

>>	Dessicated Corpse !1jDr5b8srY Wed Jul 23 17:27:48 2014 No.1797145 >>1797135 No it didn't, I just played through it yesterday. They all use the same textures...

Anonymous Wed Jul 23 17:31:26 2014 No.1797156

>>1797145
I'm almost certain the last boss five crates stuck together with a railgun on top. It's called a Makron which is the word for Master Krate in German with an avante-garde futuristic twist like CyberTron... Everything they name in year 20X6 has a -ron on the end or some shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 17:32:49 2014 No.1797157 >>1797128 He only made the maps, dude. Yeah maybe the gothic architecture and medieval themes were his idea, but he definitely didn't "make it".

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 17:34:04 2014 No.1797158 >>1797157 He pretty much crated it all on it's own.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 17:35:18 2014 No.1797160 >>1797158 >it's his

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 17:36:49 2014 No.1797163 File: 19 KB, 500x500, butthurt-dweller.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1786168 >Using the arrow keys like a fucking retard

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 17:37:07 2014 No.1797164 >>1786468 >if you were mature you'd be able to appreciate how subjective this is I actually can appreciate how feeble minded you are for believing any of that, thanks

Anonymous Wed Jul 23 17:40:34 2014 No.1797173

>>1797163
I'd defend the use of arrow keys, because that's what people used back then. But she's using a mouse as well. So, I won't. There's no reason to use the arrow keys if you're using the mouse.

Though it was still better to use some form of left home keys with numpad layout and thumbing arrow keys as extras instead of typical arrow key layout if you're going keyboard only.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 17:41:57 2014 No.1797179 >>1797145 >They all use the same textures... He says this defending Quake 1. ahahahaha

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 18:08:10 2014 No.1797257 >>1786606 Wait, it seriously came out in 2000?! I thought it was from 1997. Perfect Dark, which came out for the fucking Nintendo 64, was more advanced. Halo came out 1 year later.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 18:14:55 2014 No.1797279 >>1797257 It's based on the Quake II engine. Part of the deal was that he couldn't even look at the engine until Quake II came out. So QII comes out, and then they basically START making the game. So when it is finally finished it's so out of date.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 18:22:16 2014 No.1797308 >>1796202 >not wanting Carmack to give a speech at a classic gaming con Fuck this stupid world and everyone in it

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 18:39:49 2014 No.1797372 >>1786603 Although it is a bit too much, you would be impressed that many major studios have things like that.

>>	Dessicated Corpse !1jDr5b8srY Wed Jul 23 19:25:20 2014 No.1797486 >>1797179 No I don't, I'm saying Quake had several different texture sets it went through each episode. Quake II had the same exact theme until the last few levels. "ahahahahaha"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 19:30:19 2014 No.1797495 You can tell no one's really played the game. No one's talking about it. Just other Id games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 20:58:42 2014 No.1797734 File: 75 KB, 1280x960, QUAKE2 2014-07-24 02-16-04-48.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this sure does look like a typical warehouse

Anonymous Wed Jul 23 21:08:40 2014 No.1797764

>>1796602
Really far from it, Quake 2 had no memorable or stand out levels. Somehow the game that brought colored lighting into gaming manages to have only one color, brown.

It's weird how the game actually looks better in software mode because it dulls the annoyance of the bad use of colored lighting and focuses on bringing out color in the textures and not blurring it all together with bilinear filtering.

I slogged through Quake 2 in some 8 hours or so and the entirety of it was a drag. It did nothing new or creative, made some of the most redundant and unenjoyable enemy encounters, made every weapon useless, and every level is full of boring backtracking with nothing to do except listen to a shitty siren noise play.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 21:09:43 2014 No.1797768 >>1797734 brown, non-descript, poorly lit and uninteresting to navigate looks like a quake 2 map alright

Anonymous Wed Jul 23 21:13:15 2014 No.1797782

>>1797495

I did actually play through the first episode. I quit shortly after I got the Daikatana only to find it was a weak worthless piece of crap. You don't hype up a sword as being the most powerful super awesome shit ever and then have it do fuckall damage with terrible sound and lazy animation that completely fails to show just how great it's supposed to be. How do you fuck something like that up? How?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 21:24:43 2014 No.1797829 >>1794767 >That music Holy shit. That was 90s as FUCK.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 21:30:13 2014 No.1797845 >>1797768 >brown, non-descript, poorly lit and uninteresting to navigate as if Q1 maps are less brown, more descript, better lit, OR more interesting to navigate

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 21:37:37 2014 No.1797878 >>1797768 >brown, non-descript, poorly lit and uninteresting to navigate It's funny 'cause that sounds just like Quake 1

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 21:40:14 2014 No.1797886 >>1797164 >ad hominem cute :)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 21:43:10 2014 No.1797897 >>1797782 Don't forget dat voice acting. It's like they hired an anon and told him to do his best Japanese impression.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 21:52:12 2014 No.1797929 >>1789148 >Anachronox is a fucking gem This. The only thing I didn't like that comes to mind were the overly long animations for special attacks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 21:56:53 2014 No.1797948 >>1786193 To Carmack, Romero's just some guy he happened to work with once upon a time. I imagine it'd be way harder on Romero, since he remembers everything so clearly.

>>	Dessicated Corpse !1jDr5b8srY Wed Jul 23 21:57:38 2014 No.1797954 >>1797734 It doesn't look at all bad, I just prefer Quake's theme.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 22:26:33 2014 No.1798042 >>1786127 Hopefully the new Doom will deliver. Bethesda and their marketing bullshit really pisses me off though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 22:34:41 2014 No.1798069 File: 34 KB, 500x363, 1405225248735.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1798042 >new Doom >Bethesda It makes my soul hurt every time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 22:42:31 2014 No.1798101 >>1796202 That's because Beelzebub (or Bethesda as you guys might call it) wants to turn Quakecon into a giant advertisement, they could give a fuck about the spirit of id Software, Quake, the tournaments, the fans, or vidya period.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 23 22:49:48 2014 No.1798121 >>1798101 But Carmack left id m8. It was his decision to leave. Past is past.

Anonymous Thu Jul 24 00:09:55 2014 No.1798384

>>1798042
It's locked at 60 and it's going to be for consoles so they aren't looking for any fast paced gameplay. No idea how idtech 6 would handle, we have no examples or demos of it.

>>1798121
Nigger. Do you know what the convention was called?
It wasn't called Advertisement-con. It wasn't corporate-con. It was motherfucking Quake Con.
It was a convention for Quake.
You don't not invite the motherfucker who helped invent the fucking thing.

Quake con served as a marketing vehicle for id, but it did so by being a fucking convention for one of the best series of games ever. Not by being a gigantic ad. They showed new stuff there because new stuff was in the spirit of the con. More fragging? GREAT! That's what everyone's there for, it's news not ads. More fragging to be had.

You know what you don't do. Buy out Star Trek, go to the con and start hanging up motherfucking Downton Abbey banners and telling people how you're selling that shit, that's not what a Trek-convention is for. The reason why hardware vendors were remotely okay is because well everyone likes a good looking or good running or a good looking good running frag system. It's appropriate within the context. These niggers pretty much hijacked a killed off id and for their money's worth they want to ride the dicks of the con and using them to pump out junk console games.

TL;DR : FUCK, OVERDRAMATIC PAUSE, YOU.

Anonymous Thu Jul 24 00:18:55 2014 No.1798426

>>1797845
>>1797878
at least the lighting wasn't brown, that and you sure love to exaggerate how brown Quake was...it really wasn't. Levels also had tons of distinct geometry and rooms, decoration, etc. that really distinguished them.

Maybe play the game before you criticize it.

Anonymous Thu Jul 24 00:27:47 2014 No.1798458

>>1797734
Pretty sure that's the managers office portion of the warehouse. Has an executive bench over in the left. Even has an exec on his knees rolling around on some coke on the table and a dead hooker, typical corporate bureaucracy. Snort crates, fuck blow, ship bitches.

Anonymous Thu Jul 24 00:31:26 2014 No.1798468

>>1797782
> Daikatana only to find it was a weak worthless piece of crap.
Did you try charging it up and shit? Always gotta try charging swords up and shit. Find something sparkly and stick it to turn it on or something. Maybe a car or something with some jumper wires. That's how Thor fixed his hammer I think, who knows.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 00:35:55 2014 No.1798486 >>1786468 for me, all your points about Doom II are true, it is the better game, but I just don't like the Doom II maps as much as Doom's

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 00:41:14 2014 No.1798510 >>1786236 Wasn't Romero producing Heretic and Hexen at the time?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 00:42:02 2014 No.1798514 >>1786119 I think most of the original Doom team is all either freelancing or just doing nothing, they could honestly create an "ego" or "superego" to surpass id and recreate the magic once again, though thats just fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 00:43:31 2014 No.1798519 >>1797173 I will never understand these old games that had mouse controls but used arrow keys for movement. I know WASD took a while to become the standard but even so how are you supposed to play these games when you cant reach half the damn keyboard?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 00:45:43 2014 No.1798527 >>1798519 To clarify, older games that didn't have rebindable keys, I think it was like Realms of the Haunting and TES Arena that I had this problem with

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 00:49:10 2014 No.1798541 >>1786838 Broussard is the biggest hack of the industry, thanks to him we didn't get the original concept of Prey and DNF back in 97-98, fuck that fat bastard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 00:50:08 2014 No.1798546 >>1786245 We need books like this to cover the companies that made 90s PC in the day, Origin, Epic Megagames, Apogee, Bullfrog, etc

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 00:51:34 2014 No.1798550 >>1786270 I thought Tom Hall left in a huff becuase he was getting mad that id was becoming "that FPS company" when he wanted to pursue various genres He was right

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 00:53:08 2014 No.1798556 >>1798510 Man, Imagine if Romero went ahead and just joined Raven Soft instead of making Ion storm

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 00:54:39 2014 No.1798559 >>1789426 Seriously, what kind of fucking name is Superfly?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 01:02:31 2014 No.1798584 >>1785969 I could post this in doom general but this seems more like a history thread. Is like a book or compendium of resources for the making of doom? IE interviews with carmack and romero durring and after development etc?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 01:04:20 2014 No.1798591 >>1797764 From what I understood Softwaremode in quake 2 was a marvel, it did tricks that were only thought to work in hardware/GL

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 01:04:30 2014 No.1798593 >>1798584 A good place to start is reading Masters of Doom.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 01:05:29 2014 No.1798596 >>1798584 Masters of Doom.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 01:06:35 2014 No.1798598 File: 23 KB, 163x163, 1368771305123.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1798593 >>1798596 Thanks cool guys

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 01:06:36 2014 No.1798601 >>1798591 I remember Software mode not having the coloured lightning, i wish they did what epic did with Unreal by making the game look good even in software mode.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 01:53:07 2014 No.1798760 >>1798559 I don't know, it seems pretty fly to me.

Anonymous Thu Jul 24 04:29:41 2014 No.1799082

>>1798601
It did look good in software mode. it just didn't look like GL with colored lighting and bilinear filtering... well, technically you can run GL in software mode with Quake 2 (it look like opengl absolutely), that was actually an option but at the time it would drop your framerate into sub 1FPS.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 04:55:59 2014 No.1799119 >>1798384 wow buddy calm down it's just video games no need to get so worked up

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 05:04:43 2014 No.1799134 File: 21 KB, 223x223, a toothy shark.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1799119 >that guy who says "calm down" when he has no counterargument

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 05:06:21 2014 No.1799136 >>1799134 well maybe if you calmed down i wouldn't have to tell you

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 07:25:54 2014 No.1799328 >>1798598 It has an audio book version you can easily pirate and listen to at work. This is what I did

Anonymous Thu Jul 24 07:27:09 2014 No.1799331
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>>1798426
>at least the lighting wasn't brown
because it didn't have any colored lighting whatsoever, so it was brown/green in textures instead

the odd-one out level that's all blue is still a level all in one color

Anonymous Thu Jul 24 08:32:18 2014 No.1799472
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>>1799331
a very moody game with a lot of shafts of shadows, darkness, and a dreary gothic atmosphere of abandoned castles.

remember, when you can't think of criticism, just call it brown. The levels all had distinct visuals, themes, and it's reflected in the textures and texturing. id had to get pretty creative to keep from the levels looking samey, and they did a great job. No two levels are alike in their aesthetic.

How about some real criticism of the visuals? Shit, the monsters in Quake 2 are embarrassingly bland, practically none of them are distinct, especially when looked at others in the same class. They all emit a generic grunting growl, all have a similar metallic and flesh texture, and all take a ton of damage rather inappropriately. Quake 1 capitalized on enemies with high HP by being enemies you're supposed to dump your powerful weapons onto - you always had a fair amount of ammo for the except the shaft. Quake 2 however made every weapon equally useless.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 09:46:21 2014 No.1799596 >>1799472 >remember, when you can't think of criticism, just call it brown the irony.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 10:14:47 2014 No.1799674 >>1798426 >Levels also had tons of distinct geometry and rooms, decoration ahahaha. every quake room was an empty box with an occasional demon texture faggot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 11:02:04 2014 No.1799762 >>1799136 > i wouldn't have to tell you But you didn't tell him.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 17:27:25 2014 No.1800827 >>1799762 i think you just need to calm down, man

>>	Dessicated Corpse !1jDr5b8srY Thu Jul 24 17:47:04 2014 No.1800875 >>1799119 >it's just video games Some people value video games, sorry.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 24 23:59:31 2014 No.1802094 >>1800827 You should really calm down.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 00:09:33 2014 No.1802134 >>1800875 >Some people value video games children and manchildren amirite?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 00:16:40 2014 No.1802173 >>1802094 i'm trying to, man you calm down, too everything is clearer when you're calm

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 02:01:54 2014 No.1802498 >>1802173 relax guy

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 04:24:36 2014 No.1802832 File: 1.04 MB, 656x2268, Foreshadowing is pretty freaky at times.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1786206 >I'm amazed that I can't find Carmack talking about Romero at all He is probably still pissed off at Romero ruining his D&D campaign.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 04:36:22 2014 No.1802859 >>1802832 Bahahahaahahahahaah, fuck maybe I should pay more attention to the people in my campaign.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 04:50:52 2014 No.1802894 >>1802832 >that's it. We're done. Mmm. Are there more like this? There should be a website for this shit. It's as good as Rap Industry Fanfiction.

Anonymous Fri Jul 25 05:07:16 2014 No.1802918

Upon completing Bioshock: Infinate I was kinda stuck and didn't know what game I wanted to play next. My friend jokingly suggested Daikatana, I said yes for the laughs. I bought it from GOG, installed it and launched it. Me and a couple friends gathered around my PC for the laughs. We busted up at the stupid enemies, the worthless weapons and terrible voice acting. Later, after my friends left, I kept playing. It was challenging, and kinda fun. Seriously, it was pretty fun. The game is a disaster in a lot of ways, but I'm dead serious when I say I enjoyed playing this game. Is something wrong with my brain?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 05:13:01 2014 No.1802927 >>1802918 >Is something wrong with my brain? Well, you completed Bioshock Infinite.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 05:17:57 2014 No.1802936 >>1802927 The game blows, it's true.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 07:41:56 2014 No.1803164 >>1802894 Masters of Doom

Anonymous Fri Jul 25 09:01:28 2014 No.1803253 [DELETED]

>>1786206
Carmack isn't above shit-talking. I think he was a bit jelly when he saw the BUILD engine. He claimed it looked like it was 'put together by chewing gum.'

I know Carmack completely blew the engine away later but I still think he was a little jelly the first time he saw it. Why did he have to say that? Ken was only 17 when he made it give the guy some credit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 09:59:36 2014 No.1803342 >>1803253 he probably meant the source-code and not the actual graphics, given Carmack is a programmer and all

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 10:04:09 2014 No.1803353 >>1802918 How did you endure that stupid ai companions? That was my only problem when I played it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 10:14:10 2014 No.1803380 >>1803353 Not that guy, but what I did is tell them both to stay put, go clear the level and come back for them when it was time to go to the next area while praying that they won't get stuck on a random tile on their way to the exit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 10:18:41 2014 No.1803392 >>1797074 >a couple nitpicks about weapon behavior Funny, considering one of the main problems in Daikatna was weapons.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 11:22:42 2014 No.1803480 >>1803253 Build engine is somewhat buggy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxdUFOKG3r4 Jellyhop works horribly in Duke as well.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 14:47:14 2014 No.1803967 >>1802936 What was bad about it? Not played it, but apart from the annoyance at the mainstream losing their shit because 'games are now art' was it that terrible? The first Bioshock wasn't as good as people said but it wasn't awful either.

Rozwell Fri Jul 25 14:51:40 2014 No.1803980

>>1803967
holy shit where to begin
rigidly, brutally linear in progression, map layout, items, etc., muddled story (and it's obvious a lot of the delays were because ken levine had probably just watched cube 2 or some shit and kept wanting to throw his Big Sci-Fi Ideas into the game, at the cost of any actual social message), pretty much every single prop is nailed down to the ground, enemies are way less varied than in bioshock 1...you get the idea.

Anonymous Fri Jul 25 15:24:22 2014 No.1804081

>>1803480
>Build engine is somewhat buggy

You're using Megaton as an example. MEGATON is real buggy, it's a LOT LOT LOT more buggy than the original game or other sourceports, and even glitches that have been there since vanilla, are much easier to pull of in Megaton than in vanilla or other sourceports.

This is a terrible example. Yes, there are engine glitches and exploits, but most of which are really hard to pull out like a tons of other games. Had this guy used the vanilla game, he couldn't have done half of the glitches shown here and would have had a MUCH harder time pulling off the other glitches (which sometimes would probably not even have made him win any time at all because of that unless he got lucky)

The only glitch that's "easy" to pull off is teleporting yourself from an area to another in case of Sector Over Sector ; AND this is only possible because the devs didn't know about it, because once you know about it, you can easily prevent the glitches from happening by blocking a few walls. Any duke3D mapper can fix SoS teleporting glitches in a couple of seconds.

Oh - and, even then, we're talking about Duke3D here. Duke3D doesn't equal the totality of Build engine games. Vast majority of the glitches shown here are DUKE3D gliches, not "Build engine" glitches ; so you can't take the worse, glitchest and most half-assed version of DN3D done by devs which were so clueless they had to get help from the community (sourceport makers) as an example for "the Build engine as a whole".

Anonymous Fri Jul 25 16:29:08 2014 No.1804267 [DELETED]

>>1804081
But BUILD engine does have some inherent fucked up issues m8.

Like if you get trapped when a door (and I'm any door... not some big heavy cement block that you might get trapped under) closes against a wall and you're between them you get squished and die. Happens with cabinets and shit, too. It's really stupid.

It also some some stupid deals with its explosions. Sometimes you clearly hit someone but because he's standing at the edge of something the explosion isn't read at that particular vertex and the guy survive, when he should have been blown to smithereens.

When you look with the mouse in the Y axis things also look pretty damn janky.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 16:40:11 2014 No.1804283 >>1803253 i think carmack always thought ken would be the next competition. fun fact: maybe 6-7 years ago carmack wanted silverman to work at id but he turned it down. quake literally destroyed ken silverman. i feel really bad for the guy

NESfag Fri Jul 25 16:48:44 2014 No.1804302

>>1804267
>Like if you get trapped when a door (and I'm any door... not some big heavy cement block that you might get trapped under) closes against a wall and you're between them you get squished and die. Happens with cabinets and shit, too. It's really stupid.

This can be avoided if the mapper knows what it's doing : doors will either go back up/down (if it's a ceiling/floor door), push you out of the way (for slide doors) or bump against you several times leaving you enough time to get out of the way (if swing door). The problem is that it depends on how the mapper do it. But by default, for instance, ceiling doors in Duke3D ARE programmed to go back up unless there is no space for the player to go near it.

But again, these are not "BUILD ENGINE" glitches. Those misbehaviour you described don't even happen in every Build Engine game and only happen if the mapper doesn't know how to do it.

>It also some some stupid deals with its explosions. Sometimes you clearly hit someone but because he's standing at the edge of something the explosion isn't read at that particular vertex and the guy survive, when he should have been blown to smithereens.

I don't recall that every happening to me and I've spent thousand of hours in my life playing Build engine games. But that sounds like something that would be game specific, considering each game has its own explosion code, or even level design specific (perhaps this sort of quirks could happen to some specific level design elements), rather than "Build engine specific".

>When you look with the mouse in the Y axis things also look pretty damn janky.

Now you're just being silly. This is common to any 2.5D FPS. You have no idea what you're talking about man.

NESfag Fri Jul 25 16:50:50 2014 No.1804305

>>1804283
>quake literally destroyed ken silverman. i feel really bad for the guy.

Dunno what you have with this personal phantasy of yours (because I am assuming you're the guy who always say that in every thread mentionning Ken Silverman) but he seem to be doing really well with his current project which I heard is a direct competition to the Oculus Rift

Anonymous Fri Jul 25 16:57:51 2014 No.1804318 [DELETED]

>>1804302
>Those misbehaviour you described don't even happen in every Build Engine game and only happen if the mapper doesn't know how to do it.
It happens in every build engine game I've played (duke, sw, blood).

>I don't recall that every happening to me and I've spent thousand of hours in my life playing Build engine games.
well then you're retarded. happens all the time in duke, especially with pipe bombs, fuck.

>Now you're just being silly. This is common to any 2.5D FPS. You have no idea what you're talking about man.
Fine the look distortion may not be a 'glitch' but it looks terrible and is a testament to how shitty the build engine is.

NESfag Fri Jul 25 17:21:08 2014 No.1804381 [DELETED]

>>1804318
>It happens in every build engine game I've played (duke, sw, blood).

Even so, like I said it does not always happen and it can be avoided in the majority of cases

>Fine the look distortion may not be a 'glitch' but it looks terrible and is a testament to how shitty the build engine is.

This is exactly like saying Super Mario Bros 3 sucks because it's not 3D. By the look of your answer, you probably don't even understand what I mean by that.

Does throwing insults make you feel like you have a point?

Anonymous Fri Jul 25 17:25:24 2014 No.1804391 [DELETED]

>>1804381
>can be avoided
If an explosion happens an enemy is in its vicinity it should die, period. Don't give me 'can be avoided' crap. I know how to avoid it and use, for examples, pipe bombs in a way that makes this not happen. But I shouldn't even have to play the game in a way to avoid something like that. It happens because BUILD engine a shit.

>This is exactly like saying Super Mario Bros 3 sucks because it's not 3D.
No it's not. SMB3 is a side scroller and you don't have to look around. Duke Nukem 3D has the capability to look but it looks stupidly distorted when you do so.

>Does throwing insults make you feel like you have a point?
Does throwing bad analogies make you feel like you have one?

NESfag Fri Jul 25 17:26:31 2014 No.1804396

>>1804318
>It happens in every build engine game I've played (duke, sw, blood).

Even so, like I said it does not always happen and it can be avoided in the majority of cases

>Fine the look distortion may not be a 'glitch' but it looks terrible and is a testament to how shitty the build engine is.

This is exactly like saying Super Mario Bros 3 sucks because it's not 3D. By the look of your answer, you probably don't even understand what I mean by that.
Also, by this definition then any pre-Quake FPS in which you can look up sucks. It's NOT something Build engine specific.

Does throwing insults make you feel like you have a point?

NESfag Fri Jul 25 17:29:43 2014 No.1804404

>>1804391
I was talking about the door, not the explosion. I disregarded your comment about the explosion just like I disregard any comment starting with an insult; plus there is nothing else to add, I don't recall it ever happening to me in thousands of hours of play.

Oh, and also even if that can happen, you're blaming the "Build Engine" for something that's game specific; which means it can't be used against the "Build engine" itself. But I already said that and you pretended not to hear so whatever.

Anonymous Fri Jul 25 17:32:04 2014 No.1804410 [DELETED]

>>1804404
>Oh, and also even if that can happen, you're blaming the "Build Engine" for something that's game specific; which means it can't be used against the "Build engine" itself.
well funny how the exact same thing happened in the Big 3 BUILD engine games, huh? Duke, Shadow Warrior, and Blood. Apparently you didn't hear me say that. But of course, no way, it's not engine specific at all, what a silly inference to make.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 17:36:40 2014 No.1804425 >>1803353 I solved it by playing the game in coop mode. No AI companions and it could actually be a fun coop game if you got anyone to play with... but even if not you can still breeze through the game without any companions at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 18:16:39 2014 No.1804504 >>1785969 30 mil isn't a lot for a video game anymore. Budgets increased a lot. Now average piece of shit game costs a lot more. At least Daikatana had a good multiplayer

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 18:25:17 2014 No.1804521 >>1804504 >30 mil isn't a lot for a video game anymore. It is when Daikatana had like 20,000 sales.

Anonymous Fri Jul 25 18:39:41 2014 No.1804550

>>1804504
The average cost for video games is increasing only in terms of dollars asked.

I recall buying SMB2 in 1989 for $50CDN. That's $84 in today's currency, which is $14 more than our current trend of new AAA games costing $70. I'm sure plenty of people on this board can give anecdotal evidence that supports this.

Video games, like most consumer electronics, are getting more affordable, at least in North America.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 19:00:40 2014 No.1804598 >>1804504 It was a lot back then. Even nowadays 30 millions is much more than what Nintendo spends in their average game. The development budget of Watchdogs was 68 millions before it was delayed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 19:07:20 2014 No.1804609 File: 414 KB, 582x904, humble-ad.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Retweeted by John Carmack

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 20:04:21 2014 No.1804717 >>1804305 i guess if living in providence and still dicking around with voxels qualifies as "doing well", then sure

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 20:41:14 2014 No.1804791 >>1804609 Holy shit will he ever wash the sand out of his vagina?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 20:49:34 2014 No.1804813 How much of that money was spend on the game and not on hookers, coke and other forms of amusement though? >>1804791 I don't think he'd retweet it if he feels offended by it. I guess he had a good laugh.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 21:09:51 2014 No.1804868 >>1804813 >I don't think he'd retweet it if he feels offended by it. I guess he had a good laugh. Why would he be offended by it? Are you retarded? Do you even know what the story is behind that ad and what's going on here?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 21:13:06 2014 No.1804873 >>1804868 Are you really that dumb? Try to follow discussions or work on your reading comprehension.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 21:14:42 2014 No.1804875 >>1804873 Why the shit would Carmack be offended about that advertisement you fucking spastic?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 21:17:29 2014 No.1804889 >>1804875 So you really ARE braindead. Good to know. Now fuck off back to /v/ with, you retard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 21:18:34 2014 No.1804896 >>1804889 lol apparently your fucking head doesn't work what a maximum fucking dickhead hahahha

Anonymous Fri Jul 25 21:20:03 2014 No.1804904

>>1804889
I'm not seeing why he'd be offended either. Care to explain for the class? There's no point in posting things on an imageboard if you aren't going to engage in conversation with people. If you want to post without elaborating, maybe a blog is more your taste?

Anonymous Fri Jul 25 21:23:24 2014 No.1804913 [DELETED]

>>1804904
He's clearly retarded. I think he's fallen into some kind of sperg induced seizure. I'd imagine at this very moment he's slapping at his monitor with flailing wrists in oestrogen fueled effeminate hissy fits. It's probably best we leave the poor guy alone and give him some time to recover.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 25 23:04:45 2014 No.1805250 >>1804609 Well, at least he has a sense of humor about the whole thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 26 03:26:10 2014 No.1805848 >>1786080 Why doesn't he do a fucking kickstarter? If Inajewne can make $4 mirrion sheckles, i'm sure fans would be willing to give him another shot to make everybody his bitch.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 26 03:29:04 2014 No.1805851 >>1805848 Yeah, fast paced shooters are popular right now and what not.

Anonymous Sat Jul 26 08:45:02 2014 No.1806335

>>1805848
He was kind of down on it when his wife Brenda wanted to make a vaguely descriptive oldschool rpg with his friend Tom Hall. It didn't meet required funding. Tom Hall even wanted to kickstart a platformer similar to Commander Keen on his own and it failed too. I think Romero view it as a waste of time seeing how both of those previous project were cancelled.

Anonymous Sun Jul 27 01:36:20 2014 No.1808924

>>1804504
Budgets haven't actually increased a lot. Bloat has. 30 mil is more than enough to make a game with graphics and scale as triple A's and you could make it better it with a smaller team.

And just to be clear. 30 Mil right now IS a lot of fucking money. 30-60Mil will actually get you into the most expensive games developed area, that includes games today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_video_games_to_develop

30 mil is half the budget for an absurdly bloated project, you could have a third of that and it'd still be enough.

Anonymous Sun Jul 27 01:55:05 2014 No.1808979

>>1808924
Here's some more to date.
http://kotaku.com/how-much-does-it-cost-to-make-a-big-video-game-1501413649

Back in 2K, 1 or 2 mil would have also been good for a smaller skilled team. You could still theoretically get away with that today, the problem is most companies don't use small skilled teams because they don't know how to fucking manage. The cost of making game is labor costs nearly entirely.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 27 08:02:59 2014 No.1809563 >>1804504 It is when the original plan was for Ion Storm to make 3 games for 12 million dollars. The game kept needing more time and it's huge 80 person team sucked up so much money.

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