/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT RELEASE ===
Hard Fast Faggot Maps v 1.1
https://x0.at/fudU.zip
idgames/doomworld release TBD

=== CURRENT PROJECT ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Project Mega folder: https://mega.nz/folder/LVlWVK5D#H5iqeD61bSItMIVeGqymTQ
Latest update: >>7863681


=== NEWS ===

[6-17] TNT: Evilution MIDI Pack is released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/121711-tnt-evilution-midi-pack-v10-released/

[6-17] Painslayer, a Painkiller themed weapon mod.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=72567

[6-14]YamagiQ2 v8.00 was released, Now it supports Vulkan 100% and it has tons of bugfixes and goodies.
https://yamagi.org/quake2/

[6-14] Abysm 2: Pharaoh's Judgment public beta v1.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=72554

[6-13] Tarnsman streamed HFFM, isn't a pussy like Dew
https://www.twitch.tv/tarnsmandw

[6-13] Quake Alkaline has been released
https://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=62061

[6-12] Another Q2 Fork taking clues from QCDE
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/downloads/q2pro-meta-r1

[6-10] Heretic Hi-res sound effects pack
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/122575-dwarss-heretic-hq-sfx-pack-80-sound-effects-remastered/

[6-9] Torm took Blade Of Agony 3 down "until the relevant issues are resolved."
https://github.com/Realm667/WolfenDoom/issues/793

[6-8] Realm667 deleted, archiving ongoing:
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/122559-repository-dump

[6-7] Corruption Cards 2.0 has been released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=67939

[6-6] Simple Quake Launcher 2.5 released
https://github.com/m-x-d/Simple-Quake-Launcher-2/releases/tag/2.5

[6-4] UT99 retrospective by LGR
https://youtu.be/XRF06DpQE0c

[6-2] DBP36: Aquatic Wonder has been released
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/2139/dbp36-aquatic-wonder

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0

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HARD FAST [fantastic] MAPS anchor post

Have bugfixes and tweaks been done (Full Thrust, etc)?
Have enemy sprite offsets been done?
Have the textcrawls been fixed?

Reply to this post with updates or bug reports, please.

Might as well ask here again if anybody's submitting anything to RAMP.

>>7873142
Posted it last thread, no idea if this has been caught already, but Map01, the two revenants in the teleport closet by the switch that opens the way to the exit don't wake up from anything in the map, played on latest GZDoom strict compat settings

ALL THOSE UGLY SHITSTAINS AT DOOMWORLD CAN KISS MY CANDY ASS BEFORE I LAY THE SMACKDOWN ON THEM

>>7873142
Just make sure but the current release of HFFM is using an older version of map 07 Full Thrust. Please use this version:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/34bkxjpb8b62k2i/fullthrust_v4.wad?dl=0

>>7873142
alright, i'll get to 1.2. don't know what happened with full thrust, but that's fixed now. M_DOOM is also replaced with the new one because it's a very good one
>>7873173
hey unkl jak

>>7873136
Cannonball released an 8-level mapset for doom called "Atomic" sometime earlier today.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/122738-atomic-limit-removing-8-maps-for-doom-2/

>>7873208
I meant "for Doom 2" but whatever.

>>7873169
lmfao what a juxtaposition

>>7873156
>>7873146
Yeah it runs pretty shit. vkQuake nets the highest frames for me on it. FTE too.

>>7872728
I'm getting a real taste for what makes Prodoomer bad.
>Tons of rooms and side areas which seemingly have no reason to exist
>Extremely repetitive level design, you'd have no clue where you were without the automap
>Lots of sections that were just copied and pasted multiple times
>The backtracking is still an annoying issue
>Spell system is quickly becoming unmanageable, it's only going to get worse with time too
>So many mana drops when you regenerate more than enough mana
>Really awful platforming which requires 100% precision, otherwise you fall to your death (constantly)
>The platforming in general doesn't account for Doom's momentum based movement
>Those fucking archer mobs who were sniping me across the entire map
>Oh, and you can't actually see their projectiles against the backdrop of that particular map
>And their projectiles also do massive damage
>The crossbow being worse at long range than the fucking pistols, this is why you don't stick a scope on a non-hitscan weapon
>Some enemies deal trivial damage to you, whereas others do ridiculous amounts of damage (that guy that shot all those shrapnel bombs in the Doom Burger level)
>Once again, switches don't clearly show what they even do
>Switches hidden in places which you can easily miss, but are necessary to make progress
>So many hitscan enemies which fire ten billion bullets at you
>That one fucking enemy with tracking projectiles that zoom around corners and instantly kill you
>The obnoxious images that appear every time you get hit or are at low health
>Touhou Doom tier spider boss, where the only option was to kill it before it drained all of your armour

VRanon are ogres z-aware?

nobody:
therapist: quake 2 shamler is not real he cant hurt you
quake 2 shambler:

>>7873232
not him, but iirc marksman ogres are z-aware while regular ones aren't

>>7873182
I'll post a .wad with the adjusted offsets and Lovesaw soon enough, you can copy over the new sprites or whatever when you get it.

>>7872563
I forgot how modular Doom could get with different assets in different mods, it was quite a surprise starting HFFM with HD and having cowboy shotgunners instantly incapacitate me

>>7873247
pls record some footage of HFFM sprites with HD, if you know how, I need it

>>7873228
It's fun watching people play through these bloated zdoom shitwads while picking them apart, it saves me the trouble of downloading them

>>7873240
Hmmm that's odd if so. I'll check after work

Getting used to Quakes compiling and light types and such.
Going to sleep.

>>7873142
>Hard Fast Fabulous Maps

>>7873250
here's me quickly fucking around and getting fucked in return

>>7873228
Thanks for playing these. It's nice watching someone go through something no one wants to go through.

>>7873264
Shit my niggurath, that looks dope

>>7873253
>>7873279
I'm glad somebody's getting something out of my suffering. Next stream whenever I feel like it, roughly the same time. See ya later.

>>7873290
Godspeed anon!

>>7872779
>>7872830
I'm confused by this. BTSX E2 didn't feel any different to the typical modern skillsaw wad when it came to revenant and arch-vile use for the most part, IMO.
If anything, E1 was actually really tame outside of a couple maps.

>>7872325
Saying that it's good but bad like you do is /0
Reasons "mappers don't care":
1. probably the same reasons mappers don't care about build engine games in general
2. plus the same reasons oldgame mappers don't care about new games on same engines
3. also have you seen mappers mapping specifically for this one customized variant of game with this particular combination of weapon/texture/monster customizations? most often people rather choose what custom stuff they want in their wad/map/whatever, and you can see IF as a highly customized version of dukenukem or blood or whatever

>>7873228
Hey anon I found some shit on ModDB if you're interested.
https://www.moddb.com/games/doom/downloads/legend-wad

>>7873296
> also have you seen mappers mapping specifically for this one customized variant of game with this particular combination of weapon/texture/monster customizations? most often people rather choose what custom stuff they want in their wad/map/whatever, and you can see IF as a highly customized version of dukenukem or blood or whatever
No, this is retarded. Ion Fury is more like total conversion IWAD like Heretic. Compared to Duke Nukem it's the same level of rework as Blood or Redneck Rampage etc. Basically everything changed.

>>7873319
This has got to be a shitpost but anything goes these days so maybe not

>>7873142
>Hard Fast Fucking Maps

>>7873319
>Trailer is posted on some obscure video sharing website
Sure, it can go on the list. I'd like to find some shitwads I can finish in a single stream too.

>>7873083
Look like shit, sure. Id understandably had no experience in 3D modelling. But I like the sounds plenty. What FPS do you think have much better sound design?

BEAKS MAKE ME COOM

>>7873295
BTSX E2 has more Revenants on UV than PL2 does and more Archviles than Alien Vendetta (and only 4 less than PL2)

>>7873403
>(and only 4 less than PL2)
Thats a lot, considering PL2 has that Hunted tribute with a ton of them.

>>7873264
Sometimes I remember that people make stuff like this right off thre bat while 'getting used to' things and I get real sad.

>>7873410
Kill yourself

>>7873432
:(

>>7873439
The guy who said kys isn't me. I didn't go to bed, I watched star trek on my phone.
Don't kys.
As for my quake map, it's just a facade atm. No gameplay. I used to make Unreal maps. I'm not completely inexperienced, I've just never used these particular tools before.
Though it's a fair bit different from unreal, it's still just 3D shit and thats pretty well ingrained in me.

>>7873449
What series are you on?
I've always wondered if a Star Trek TC would be fun to make/play, but I'd imagine the drought of different enemies to fight or weapons to use might get boring fast, because most of the conflicts would just boil down to a few enemies.
>Set during Klingon war
>You fight Klingons and uh, other Klingons
>Set during Romulan war
>You fight Romulans and uh, other Romulans
>Set during Dominion war
>You fight Jem'Hadar and Cardassians, maybe even a few Breen to be spicy

>>7873398
beakies?

>>7873454
Voyager.
But you can do weird shit in Star trek.
Crystaline entity, that lava monster from tos, species 8479, the macrovirus, devolved species... Don't worry about setting it in a specific battle and treat it like a one off episode. Write your own story.
Ok sleep now for real.

Here is a tiny map with three different custom dehacked monsters I made.
https://litter.catbox.moe/1sh17t.wad
You need MBF21 for the boss tag to work on the Cybruiser to make him rocket immune and full volume sound. Other than that, the .wad runs in Crispy Doom and beyond. The Cybruiser features a random attack pattern.

Any more ideas for cool dehacked monsters?

>>7873520
forgot to mention, i didnt make the map, just the monsters. the map was made by another anon

>32 levels
>3 lives

Wtf man

>>7873275
My man. I encourage anyone else to make Hard Fast Destructor .webms

>>7873525
If only you knew, anon.

>>7873136
that hard fast faggot maps link is dead on my end

>>7873135
I love Final Doom's promotional material, so cool

>>7873374
The weapons probably look plain not so much because of a lack of experience, as for having to use a limited number of faces as to not impact performance. Remember that getting a consistent 20fps was considered pretty good for Quake on release.

>>7873540
What? WHAT

>>7873545
>The big community 25th anniversary project is a vanilla DOS compatible pack with texture limits and stuff

I mean..... It's fitting and all but... Sigh.

>>7873549
dunno what he meant but you'll finish the game with 70 spares if you savescum enough

>>7873539
I'll make some tomorrow. I had a couple very close runs on Map01 today but I'm tired now.

>>7873553
I wouldn't call it big; I don't have access to the info but I'm pretty sure it didn't get very many entries and the ones it did receive are from newer or inexperienced mappers because most of the big-names instead opted for the Sinister jam (six textures, five monster types, no other limits) or are/were working on their own projects (Alkaline, whatever 'surprise' stuff is presumably gonna show up on the anniversary). Plus the limits were more of a guideline, as people learned how tight those limits can be- I stayed within the texture and entity limits easily but still blew past the intended filesize limit by a few hundred kB because I'm a moron, but I'm sure people who kept their geometry to id1 levels made some big ol' maps in that size.

>>7873403
You have to remember that map31 of btsx e2 bloats the numbers up quite considerably, as its the only full blown slaughtermap in the set.

A lot of megawads don't really hook me, are there any good ones in the style of the original 3 DOOM episodes?

>>7873612
Doom The Way id Did (+Lost Episodes) and Lunar Catastrophe are the most close of it. No End In Sight does same, but with insane difficulty, ep4 going into much more harder than what Ribbiks has ever done. There is also Jimmy's Deathless with keeps the easy and fun vanilla gameplay, but gives each of the episodes new theme.

>>7873136
Now featuring also: GonkDroid on steroids (and other illegal substances) fresh outta Super Metroid for the SuperNES!

>>7873403
>>7873407
BTSX 2 had Arch-Vile map too.

>>7873636
Thanks for the recs, I'll check them out. I still love the original id levels but sometimes you just want something new.

>>7873606
In the case of Revenants, thats especially true. Map31 has 293 Revenants alone.
I think it also needs to be stressed that some BTSX maps, especially in E2, are a fair bit longer than your average map, too. map25 and 31 in E2 can easily take most players around an hour+ of in-game time, and maps 4, 10, 15 and 20 can easily be 30+ minutes

>>7873454
>but I'd imagine the drought of different enemies to fight or weapons to use might get boring fast, because most of the conflicts would just boil down to a few enemies.
I mean if go you by TOS stuff, you basically have a new enemy on each planet.
Maybe you could do some kind of puzzle-y stuff.

>get beamed down to new planet
>first crew member dies because it's attacked by something
>you find the something, but it's not evil, just under some influence
>remember: phasers set to stun
>find some cave system, stun more mooks
>finally reach the old tyme super computer
>either throw a rock at it or make it explode by some kind of "this statement is a lie"

>>7873135
I love plutonia experiment so much

>>7873707
Same. There are 2 plutonia megawads in the works (3 if 94 protons ever becomes a thing) and I couldn't be happier.

>>7873642
>and other illegal substances
KEK
EEK
KKK

Question from a coding-illeterate idiot quaker regarding the Horn of Conjuring being implemmented into the VR project and possible expansion of its concept:
IIRC there is a preset list of viable monsters to spawn (includes all vanilla Quake land-based enemies only) from which its randomly picked upon levelstart who is summoned by HoC to aid the player - reloading a mid-level save doesnt change it - you must either die and restart the map (or load a save from previous map to reroll for a better summon), what am I asking is - can the list of possible to spawn monsters be expanded to include the new monsters, either only the land-based ones (maybe excluding the Gremlins since they're too gimmicky) or even includung the airborne ones aswell (and retroactively add Scrags into the HoC summon list also) if its a possibility...

>Mapping project where every map occupies the full 65535x65535 maximum space

>>7873264
I rate this one:
MarkShan/10

>>7873740
>all the enemies are chaingunners at the longest possible distance

>>7873751
after a certain distance, hitscan literally can't hit you.

>>7873756
Yes, that is why I wrote "longest possible distance".

>>7873761
Longest possible distance for them to hit you is a LOT shorter than the 65535 maximum space.

>>7873761
>>7873756
>>7873751
>Near-inaudibly *pew-Pew-PEW*'s you from across the planet...

>>7873761
So exactly 2048 units away from you.

>>7873768
iirc decino talked about this in one of his vids, max range of enemies
they were actually pretty short

>>7873723
3 actually (Plutonia 3, Plutonia Revisited 2, Bluetonia). And one got released today to celebrate Final Doom Anniversary: Cydonia.

There's also megawad called Ozonia coming later this year with Plutonia-like combat, but it's also influenced by modern wads such as Eviternity, and has new dehacked monsters, and new non-Plutonia map themes like Heaven, so I wouldn't call it fully Plutonia-like.

>>7873768
Yes, I know. Seems like the only one who understood what I meant was >>7873770

>>7873728
Yes, the random monster list can be extended, but it will probably be a while before I get to that. However, mappers can also directly input a monster name on the horn's spawn target (should probably make it a dropdown list for convenience). Seems to work with the new monsters, but I haven't tested them thoroughly enough.

>>7873275
>player was marinated by the imps

>>7873740
Wouldn't that lead to the blockmap bugging out?

>>7873142
Hard Fast [Frasier] Maps

>>7873539
I wonder if some of these maps are even possible. Temple of Flesh comes to mind; the start is so hot I'm sure that getting past that in HD is a crapshoot at best

>>7873828
Isn't it explicitly stated that with HD you might not even finish some maps?

>>7873642
Does it operate on fentanyl?

Reposting this from last thread because frankly I am a bit proud of it.

Do you detail your maps as you're making them, or make the layout in startan2 and go back to texture and detail after you've finished?

>>7873915
I at least use different textures where different textures would be, so I can see the transitions and all that. Actual "detailing", as in e.g. small consoles, terminals, small pillars, spikes, ceiling structures etc. are done last.

>>7873795
Yeah, I think you need cut it in half

>>7873915
I do as I get inspired. My maps are simple enough to be redecorated easily.

tnt truck!

Im trying to give plasmagun and bfg custom projectiles the proper damage type
I tried giving 'PLASMA' damage type to the plasmagun shots and loaded it with BD MOnster Only and it does actually trigger the plasma death on enemies
but the damage type for the BFG what is it called?
'BFGBlast'?
because the damage for BFG secondary shots is 'BFGSplash'
the main BFG shot anybody knows what damage type it does in default Doom?

>>7874030
>BFG Blast (primary attack)

>>7874037
do I have to put them inbetween " "
?
because I noticed in the original Supercharge code some of them are not inbetween " "
also is it
>BFGBlast
or
>BFG Blast
also I noticed this thing in the code
is that * there a typo?

>>7873296
Glad to see the "not retro" autists are done harassing IF posters at least.

>>7873169
Yeah, I think I will. Haven't started anything yet though.

>>7873707
I found Plutonia to drag and drag and drag. It felt like a total slog, and some levels (invisible murder bridge comes to mind) have absolute shit design. I don't understand why people put Plutonia on a pedestal and shit all over TNT when they are equally mediocre.

>>7873752
That boss was a bitch before I found the bowling bomb refills and realized the waves of enemies were finite.

>>7873893
Idk if you have developed the girl's pixel art since I saw your last screenshot, but she looks better than I expected. Nice work!

Done with Shadow Warrior and both expansions now. That was an overall highly mediocre experience. Easily 90% of the damage I'd take on a given level would be from getting surprised by hitscanning uzi mooks. None of the "tough" monsters were ever tough at all except for, you guessed it, the beefed up uzi mook that also shoots rockets.

The level design more often than not hinges on shitty button scavenger hunts, and I constantly found myself both bored and annoyed combing through cleared levels looking for the one button or cracked wall texture that I missed.


Overall, 6/10. Doesn't hold a candle to Duke. I was going to do Blood next, but that sapped my interest out of build engine shit for now. Maybe Dusk or something.

>>7874020
Is this out yet?

This is now a Romero appriciation thread. Post your favourite Romero maps.

>>7874093
I played a couple of SW's first level and it didn't click with me, so I decided to try Blood instead and so far I fucking love it. It's like Duke on crack and much better than the experience I had with SW.

>>7874095
fuck off you and take that faggot shitter hack along with you

It's really not so bad

>>7873825
Tossed salad and scrambled eggs.

>>7874074
>invisible murder bridge comes to mind
That is the carnival night barrel of Final Doom

>>7874046
Shouldn't need to be a string, at leadt the examples in the wiki are without. Also, remember you have to declare custom damagetypes if you're not using MAPINFO.
The wiki page you posted has links to that.

>>7874083
What was the last screenshot you saw? I added some shading and also generally made her slimmer

>>7873828
Drop some Berserk and spit in your hand.

>>7873915
I suck ass at layouts so I usually don't detail until later, as its easier to morph rooms around when there's only a few linedefs

>>7874102
Is it really that much better?

>>7874102
>>7874093
Shadow Warrior always felt like a mess to me.

>>7874074
You wouldn't find them mediocre, if you played them at 90s first time, zoom zoom.

>>7874235
It is if you use your TNT and secondary fires well.

>>7874093
HAHA, DERE ES NO ACCOUNTING FO SHIT TASTE

>My Maps folder
>About 30-40 unfinished scraps and room concepts and no finished levels

>>7874268
Oh, and jwg's performance was fucking terrible.

>>7874074
I honestly love TNT right until about Map 16 and then it kinda goes downhill from there. The first five levels of TNT especially are a brilliant at setting the tone for the expansion. Also TNT’s Map02 music is fucking sick. Actually all of the new music introduced by TNT is fucking sick.

Yknow what's funny about the Build engine games, or at least the 3 big ones? The movement feels somewhat similar to Quake 3 somehow, IE you can essentially strafejump with W+A/D, only I don't think you get a speed boost, just air control.

>>7874250
OG bass game Shadow Warrior was pretty fun for me, didn’t like the expansions though. Also SW will always have a place in my heart because it was the first FPS I’ve ever played with a nuke that wasn’t a fucking potato. The blast radius for SW’s nuke is hilariously far for an FPS and the only other FPS I’ve played with a potent nuclear weapon is Serious Sam 4.

>>7874250
>>7874093
NO PAIN NO GAIN HAHA!

>>7874074
>Plutonia
>Drag
Even if a few levels in Plutonia drag, outside of Map28 and Map29, they're all bitesized maps that are over quickly, something you can't say for TNT past the first episode.

>>7874287
Quake 3 movement is super smooth. Shadow Warrior movement is choppy.

>>7874296
It feels like it drags because of the constant brown. I still haven't played Plutonia to this day because of how mind numbing it is to look at.

>>7874306
Fuck I meant finished

>>7874287
I find that true for Duke and Blood yeah.

There is a lot of crouching and dodging when getting used to the games, SW is more jank.

>>7874318
>>7874298
It's prolly different in SW, but it's been a while since I've played it so I don't remember all that well. Most recent Build game I played was Blood and to be fair, I'm basing what I said about the movement off of the Build engine setting in Zmovement.

>>7873235
where is this from?

>>7874296
Eh, I think TNT's level sizes are a bit overstated. Drake O'brien's maps (20, 21, and 27) are huge, and so are Mill and Baron's Den, but everything else is fairly standard sized.

>>7874020
>Ridley in the background

>>7874020
Higher res version. Fucking borderlands, but no FEAR?

>>7874376
This is cringe as fuck. Somebody doing a documentary?

Really why?

>>7874389
Nostalgia cash grab. It's the same people who did the in search of darkness horror doc, and charged 70 fucking dollars for a blu-ray.

>>7874404
Oh I see clever fucks.

>>7874363
Well. Metroid Prime is a an fps. Sorta depends on what context it comes up in in the documentary.
>>7874376
Like how prime is an example of blending genres so is borderlands.
I wouldn't complain because they didn't include your favorite fps since there's a lot of shit missing from that image that could be well argued for. No arena fps at all.

>>7874298
> Shadow Warrior movement is choppy.
Try Raze

>>7874376
>Jaws
>Not dual wielding AR-33's

Bit of a miss there

>>7874427
I saw our favorite woke twitter activist mention raze in his recent duke video. Is it really that much different from whatever is going on under the hood with redux, outside of the crashing, which happened to me constantly throughout this whole ordeal.

https://twitter.com/torpordust/status/922794058552094721
are some of these unused enemies?
i swear i have a very vague memory of what was and was not in marathon

>>7874452
looks like he took this image from here?

https://tain.totalcodex.net/items/show/the-mjolnir-project-tagset-1-7-map-pack-0-5

>>7874451
I have no idea about internals, I just think controls and movement feel very different to other sourceports I tried.

For the anon in the last thread who was too inept to make textures I made a tutorial for quick & dirty textures.

>>7874485
nice shoe bro

>>7874486
It's already cropped, but fuck if I'm showing my legs to you perverts.

What are some exemplary DOUK usermaps? Other than DukeHard (which was pretty good) most ones I've tried are middling at best. Alien Armageddon is kinda fun but too bloated with feature creep, especially after the latest version. Please respond.

is heat vision ala predator possible in doom?
like specially with wall hacks?

>>7874557
Can't you shoot through walls in HD? Shouldn't it have some kind of batman vision then?

>>7874564
Yeah, HDest has a fully featured ballistics system, so you can wallbang, but usually you can just go by sound or checking around corners with drone cameras. With the addon for unique enemy sounds, I've never felt I needed to actually SEE through walls.

>have a weak computer
>See decino celebrate 25 year old of quake and multiplayer on FTEQW quake source port
>Download FTEQW source port
>Run test the source port
>it changed my screen resolution to 800x600 and stuck in desktop and didn't show up the game
>Try to exit the program
>screen turn to normal screen resolution
>Try running it again
>It still the same
>disappointed

>>7873264
Is there a way to get the more rounded bits to shade less sharply? Or would I just have to make them more round?
I'd rather keep it not too round though.

>>7873142
>Hard Fast Friendly Maps

>>7874594
>Honest Friendly Flanders Maps

>>7874592
_phong, _phong_angle & _anglescale
generally, check the light utility docs, there isn't too much reading involved
also, if you're the author, might wanna try _bounce before fine-tuning anything else, since it has a huge effect

>>7874612
Sounds good. Bounce is some sort of simulated bounce lighting I assume? So the shadows are more naturally filled? I'm not at my computer atm, just thinking about what I'm going to do next.

>>7874612
>>7874619
Also, who else is working on a map? I want to see that I'm not stimbling through this alone.

which is the best final doom version to play?

>>7874376
Alright let's see if I can spot all the references

>Left
Meta Ridley from Metroid Prime
Headcrabs from Half Life
T-Rex from Turok
Pig Cops from Duke 3D
Scrag from Quake
Halo Warthog

>Centre
Grunt from Borderlands
Jaws from Goldeneye 64
Wolfenstein Ubersoldier from New Order
Another Headcrab
Grunt from STALKER
Horde of zombies from Left 4 Dead
Tripod from Half Life 2

>Right
Baron of Hell from Doom 2016
Big Daddy and Little Sister from Bioshock
Stormtrooper problably from Dark Forces
Cacodemons with their classic look
An enemy from Serious Sam?

Now the Hud on top might be from Goldeneye IIRC,the one below might be from Halo as well so is the gun on the left.
It shows: Gravity Gun from HL 2,BFG classic and Rocket Launcher from Quake.
The right one is confusing,it looks like a sawed off shotgun from Blood but the icon looks like an SSG

>>7873893
You made a little girl cry for no reason - good job Horst...

>>7874557
There have been mods with x-ray features like Guncaster and DeusDoom, they aren't exactly thermal but it's the same idea of seeing outlines through walls

>>7874619
yeah, and you can tweak the bounce scale, but it overall significantly brightens the picture.

>>7874625
well, I continued my warhammer thingie for a bit. I'm kinda wary of scaring anons away with style-over-substance though, that one q25 anon complained already.

>>7873539
>>7873564
I'll have more when I'm back from work.

>>7874656
>Grunt from STALKER
Where?

>>7874671
Man a 40k fps game with late 90s style would be dope as fuck. Play as a regular guard and you have it all ,demons, aliens, xenos etc.

Maybe 3d realms could get the license from gw they prostitute themselves really hard.

>>7874676
I'm not sure if it's a STALKER reference,it's a guy next to the Scrag from Quake and close the Halo Warthog

>>7874656
>Stormtrooper probably from Dark Forces


No anon this is a poster made for the faggot 00s generation nostalgia, its Republic Commando.

>>7873785
So its possible as an alternative to making the power-up a savescum roulette, one can just define by a spawnflag what monster gets always summoned for aid in the map editor instead?

>>7874695
>he doesn't like 00s kino

>>7874702
After halo and 2004\6 ? No I dont.
Its a terrible generation culminating in ps3 fps and borwn military shooters. Also Bioshit was shit.

>>7874707
see >>7872147

>>7874695
Republic Commando didn't have Stormtroopers.

>>7874713
it can, easily. see: Bioshock

>>7874713
What do you want from that post?

Its simply true, it was not bad for fps only RTS also died after around the time of dawn of war, rpgs also died.

Xbox gen took a knife to the stomach in pc gaming and games only started recuperating and some genres coming back in 2015.

Its not like there werent nice games being made. But pc just died. HL 2 was not enough to restart it.

>>7874718
From the side that looks like a republic commando. Which from that disgusting gen was an okay short game.

But you may be right it might just be a reference to Jedi Knight or Battlefront.

>>7874731
It's really difficult to tell.
Might be one of the variations from Battlefront but that game is played mostly in third person.

It's still possible it could be Jedi Knight.

I still can't tell who's that demon next to the Cacos

>>7874591
FTE is a bit strange when it comes to performance and optimizing. The minimum hardware requirements are significantly higher than other Quake engines, but it will run retardedly fuckhuge maps without much additional performance cost. You don't want to run it on a toaster though, and fucking about with vsync, CPU yield, and max FPS until it's stable is unfortunately pretty mandatory.

>>7874671
Damn that looks fucking cool.

>>7874701
Pretty much, yeah.

>>7874601
>enemyset where hitscanners say hi-dily-ho neighborino and this is what causes the player character damage

>>7873545
Chillo has made remakes of the monsters that look way better but still stay under the model limitations.

>>7874485
Heres a tutorial for making textures from scratch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Eu8Cti9nI

>>7874535
William Gee has made some amazing maps, like WGCity. And the WGRealms TC.
OP should have a "so you wanna play some Duke" link with more suggestions.

>>7874785
I take it the guy also made WGSpace? Because I happen to already have that ready to go. I'll get around to checking out those as well.

>>7873520
Not actually Crispy Doom compatible, crashed the sec I opened the first door. Also, what's the point of including smooth doom in your wad? If I wanted that, I'd just use the mod myself.
As for the enemies they're kinda eh. When the Cybruiser pulls out the hitscan attack it requires me to take cover for way too long. The flying mouth is kinda redundant, also, its hitbox is bigger than the sprite, so it looks like it's hitting you from further away than it really is, and that's very clearly visible when its infighting. The Heretic imp seems like it'd be useful but may be a bit too fast. Maybe if you could make it so that it doesn't try to close in on the player it'd be better?

Speaking of STALKER before,I thought with Doom it was bad that so many of them couldn't play it without mods. But at least to an extent is either stuff that tweak or add some effects and maintain the gameplay.

STALKER "fans" just can't play it without mods and claim they love it despite the fact it changes the entire way it plays.

Some shitskin's deleted my thread on Darker and Art of Flying corrections.
Rationale seemed to be this: Mothefucka BOO RING better not remember this forgoetn for rizen.

>>7874767
This would work pretty well for Archviles, if you let him finish his greeting then you'll take the damage.

>>7874662
Dumb brat had it coming for snitching to mom

>>7874882
STALKER sucks tho

Looking at the FPS Documentary poster I remembered how difficult it was for me to beat Jaws in Goldeneye 007.
Yes,even with mouse and keyboard on 00 Agent.

Motherfucker was able to tank your bullets like nothing and even trying to do a sneak kill to him by shooting the head was useless.

Rest in Peace Richard Kiel

Poor caco doesn't realize this is heretic

>>7874908
That doesn't change that you can't say you love a game when it's so drastically different from the original

>>7874882
Actually, there are many people that play it either vanilla or with "light overhauls" (mostly based on AMK, an ancient mod that adds cut content and messes with the way monster spawns/ A.I. work to make the game more random/ harder). Mouthbreating shiteating retards that didn't even finish the games play garbage like Complete Mod, Misery or Anomaly because they don't want STALKER, they want Escape From Tarkov (Singleplayer).

Hard Fast >>7874908 Maps

>>7874912
>Goldeneye 007
Another shit game

>>7874915
ANON NO!

>>7874930
Yeah it's true but it still sucks to see a community of fans who don't play the game like it was meant to be.

It's still not as bad as Fallout fans who turn the game into a dumpster for mods

Hard Fast >>7874931 Maps

>>7874915
Thrust that stick into cacodemon's asshole and you get a cacodemon staff, that shoots fireballs.

Just beat CASTEVIL.wad, a big ass 94 map. 438/482 kills, 14/47 secrets. Actually pretty enjoyable despite being over an hour long, the map is well interconnected and pretty straightforward to get around. Lot of punching barons to save ammo early on, my only complaint that by the time I got some better weapons and ammo the map was basically over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSyB01Vvmuw

Any mods similar to Ashes 20xx?

>>7874930
I generally okay stalker vanilla when I go back to it. SoC. Call of Pripyat felt flat somehow, but I probably didn't give it a chance.
I do like some of the mods though. I wish ray of hope would come out so I could play coop.

I'm nearly done with Strife (just killed Macil after the Oracle, now I'm somewhere in the factory) but it becomes such a slog.
It's overall a really mediocre and incomplete game. My biggest gripes with it are, in no particular order:
1) Lack of variety in environments. You got some great textures and decorations for outdoor areas, temples, cities and these fucktards used them in certain parts of certain maps where you spend a few seconds at most before it's back to hi-tech underground base.
2) Bad enemy design. You go from basic hitscanner to more advanced hitscanner (which is bigger, tankier, faster and does more damage) and so on. They're all cyborg/ robot shit too apart from specters. I wish we got more organic enemies to fight.
3) Weapons feel like shit. Crossbow is slow as fuck. Dagger and rifle with no upgrades are hot garbage, rocket launcher does piss poor damage, grenade launcher is effective but hard to use, flamethrower is a meme, mauler fires slow as shit. The Sigil is cool though, I just wish I could switch the attacks at will.
4) Upgrades are a meme. They can't be missed, you get them for playing the game, they only affect one very specific thing and it's always the same linear increase. Why even bother with them?
5) Economy is fucked up. You don't get gold if the devs didn't place it there, you can't sell shit you don't use, it has no purpose for existing.
6) Inventory fucks up the game balance. Devs barely place ammo or health sometimes because you can buy them, you can spam your inventory items in hard fights, or you can end up with no health or ammo because you got shot a million times by shitscanners.
7) Fake theme. From the intro cutscene and first mission you'd assume the game takes place in a medieval sci-fi setting, but after the second mission it basically throws out the window all the medieval stuff and it's pretty much just robots and guns.
1/2

I am trying to implement the zscript ladder from
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=55951&start=30

I was planning on using the invisible thing and putting it on a ladder texture.

I got the game to boot without any warnings with the ladder thing. I also noticed higher friction across where the ladder thing sits.
Since it's using a way of temporary hacking the fly cheat to players, I can also use fly up/down. However, here it's over, as I am falling down instantly again, like I was jumping.
The original pk7 has a ladder model in the package, and it the testmap it works as intended, but I don't want to use a model.
However, the only factor I have managed to determine so far was the use of the model, because when I give the thing (or a child class) an actual sprite, it doesn't work anymore at all.

Anyone got any idea?

>>7874985
8) Half-assed mechanics. Stealth is broken and the devs probably realized this because they make it impossible to finish missions in stealth mode. Dialogues are barely there, with no options other than Yes and Game Over.

To summarize, everything that makes Strife unique drags down the gameplay until it inevitably gets the shaft and the game ends up feeling more and more like a poor man's Doom.

>>7873520
The Hungry and the Gargoyle seem mostly the same besides the projectile, don't know how hard it'd be to make the garg more accurate to Hexen. The Cybruiser's randomness is a neat feature but would probably suck in an actual map - 5 rockets and 10 seconds of rapid hitscan?
It would be neat to see more of the widespread Zdoom monsters converted to this new format.

>>7874671
>I'm kinda wary of scaring anons away with style-over-substance though
Well hopefully my fumbling posts at least let them know that the tools themselves aren't terribly difficult. That dumptruck fellows YouTube videos are pretty great for a jumpstart into the editor. I usually hate video tutorials because you spend 5 minutes listening to some idiot prattle on about who they are or what they're doing and why like you give a shit. He just jumps from one thing to the next.
One anon said he seemed arrogant, but imo he has every right to be. The videos are ace.

>>7874981
Call of Pripyiat is the most boring one, I agree. I liked Shadow of Chernobyl and Clear Sky, they were overall focused experiences, with some great art direction and setpieces when they needed them. CoP is just two big, empty, brown maps with maybe one or two cool areas + some blocks for the ending idk man.

>>7874865
TY for helping me test! I've been playtesting in DSDA every step of the way.

I forgot that that map anon made is BOOM-compatible. My dehacked stuff otherwise works in Crispy since Crispy has extended dehacked.

>what's the point of including smooth doom
I'm making a dehacked file including guns and monsters for a map set I want to make. I want vanilla guns (maybe next time I'll add Valiant chaingun and others) and the extra frames make the guns more satisfying to use, especially the pistol

>When the Cybruiser pulls out the hitscan attack it requires me to take cover for way too long
The attacks are random so he might attack for one second or ten. He's intended to be a vicious boss-tier enemy tougher than a cyberdemon, at least attack-wise, not health-wise.

>The flying mouth is kinda redundant
I disagree. It's movespeed is identical to the Valiant pinky on nightmare, the fastest enemy I've ever fought. It's an extremely fast and small melee attacker that flies so it never relents!

>The Heretic imp seems like it'd be useful but may be a bit too fast
He has 25 health so I need it to be fast to pose a threat. The flying mouth and imp were both conceived in order to give the player something to fight during pistol starts. Something small but threatening. Groups of them are also fun to blast with the plain shotgun, and a chaingun will shred a cloud of them

I wanna make a TC mod for Doom 2, with new sprites, textures, DeHacked stuff and everything but which format do you recommend me? Limit-removing or MBF?

>>7874865
>its hitbox is bigger than the sprite
TY, I reduced both the fleshspawn's and gargoyle's radius from 20 to 15. It looks a lot better now. I'm afraid if I reduce it further they may be too hard to berserk punch

Also I forgot to mention about the garg, try to fight just two of them with the pistol and I think you will agree, the speed is in a good spot

One more thing about the imp

>>7875039
Do it for vanilla for bragging rights. What theme are you going with?

>>7874994
>The Hungry and the Gargoyle seem mostly the same besides the projectile
I can see why people get this impression. To me, they are distinct because of their speed (as well as melee/ranged). The mouth thing (I liked to call it Scourge after the StarCraft unit but Hungry is a good name too) moves as fast as a Valiant -fast pinky, which is just insanely fast. It's more visible in a normal map where you have much more room. I could make it bite as fast, too...
>The Cybruiser's randomness is a neat feature but would probably suck in an actual map - 5 rockets and 10 seconds of rapid hitscan?
I envision it as an end-of-episode boss to fight. It was directly inspired by an experience I had. I was goofing around with replacing existing Doom monsters with other ones, for example I replaced the baron of hell with Eviternity's cybruiser (which fires faster than mine, mind you, because it uses the shotgun code pointer!) and fighting it in this room of map04 of Hell Frontier left a strong impression on me

>>7874989>>7874985

Ur just bad at the game lmao

>>7873828
I have Warm Reception in my HDest load order to get rid of hot starts. The enemies wander around a bit on their own, so they'll still spot me pretty quickly, but at least I get an extra couple of seconds to get to a better position.

>>7875137
This probably a filtered Quake or Dukefag

>>7875137
Local Strife loremaster here. Most of what he said is true and I'm aiming to fix a lot of these issues in my wad, coming 2041.

>>7874427
Speaking on raze i can't for the life of me figure out how the fuck to run duke map packs with it.

I even followed the exact scripting for bat files they claimed they used on the zdoom forums.

It didn't work. It was like
>couldn't compile con file
or some fuckin bullshit and just prompted me with a
>would you like to restart raze?
prompt.

Also i played through Duke 3d on eduke32 and vs raze. I noticed small differences nothing too crazy but was how much different the pistols accuracy is.

In eduke32. you can like snipe motherfuckers across the map with the pistol lmao but in raze its very inaccurate also in raze the mouse sensitivity is set very high for some reason.

overall a good source port, will probably be better than eduke 32 once mapset/mod compatibility works for duke 3d

Blood mods work amazingly with raze. literally just drag and drop a zip file.

>>7875195
>map maps
You heard it folks. Map some maps. Especially if your name is Duke.

>>7875212
i would but after i finished my first one, i'm kinda stuck wondering what the next one should be. i have an idea for the style of the map, being a Doom 64-styled map, but other than that I'm kinda stumped on everything else

I'm having an issue with SiN.
With the first mission I get to the computer and I can't go back to shut down the security system.
What should I do?

>>7875195
>makes racist based gameplay
link?

>>7875238
https://combine-kegan.itch.io/combined-arms

;^)

>>7875228
Alright I figured it out but what the hell is the safe security number?

>>7875243
>>7875228
You know what Fuck SiN,this game sucks

>>7873136
Scotty with AD_79 released Cydonia, wad of 22 new Plutonia maps emulating Casali mapping style to celebrate the anniversary of Final Doom
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/121935-cydonia-throwback-plutonia-wad-beta-available/

>>7875247
Redone the level.
Apparently the safe number changes randomly but whenever you check the section in the computer about Costumer Account,you can't go back.
You're forced to do it all over again
WHAT KIND OF RETARD THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA

LET'S GET SOME FRAGS GOING ON IN UDMX & UMD3! JOIN 104.128.49.2:10728 THROUGH ZANDRONUM AND GET READY TO ROCK AND ROLL!

>>7875275
>UMD3
It's UDM3 but you get the idea, GET FRAGGIN'

>>7875051
>What theme are you going with?
A medieval themed wad where the protagonist is like a merc goblin-like character fightning the evil forces from a demonic entity/necromancer or something. I don't have a plot yet but it's gonna be like that.

>>7875280
Sounds gay

>>7875195
If you say so, mr. word cloud

>>7875356
forgot the pic

>>7874915
F

>>7874731
>>7874741
honestly it's probably safest to just say the trooper is "from Star Wars" because there's actually several Star Wars shooting games

>>7875195

>>7875275
why do you still use the skulltag logo like it wasn't obsolete in like 2010

>>7874882
>STALKER ''fans'' can't play it without mods
I can, at least the first one.
The thing is, STALKER is more like a concept / dream and scaled down a lot of complex A.I behaviors for the final product so the code is still there so there's often no reason why adter the first playthrough one wouldn't play with mods to bring the game closer to the original concept of the game.

>>7874093
I'm personally liking Shadow Warrior so far but each to their own! Some of your complaints are valid though like sometimes the button hunts get very tiring. Love Lo Wang's humor though.
But it feels like the Shareware episode actually had most of the sort of humor / attention to detail so far because they knew it was the selling point. In some way this already imo manifested in DOOM where the shareware episode was the best and basically what Shores of Hell and Inferno had to offer was very hit and miss levels, an annoying enemy aka the Lost Soul and the plasma rifle.

But hey, DOOM was still p cool.

>>7875371

>>7875375
Are you for real right now?

>>7875195
>scary custom shambler
didn't we make one of these

>>7875389
oh this is some mandala shit i guess. i remember zandy's logo just being a Z fsr

>>7875387

>>7875394
No, that's ZDoom's logo, also
>mandala
Stop blazing 24/7 anon

>>7875403
stop projecting bitch the only drug i abuse is benadryl so i can fall asleep

>>7875394
I believe it's called the Mandingo Effect.

So I see a lot of people recommending Raze for Build games, in Blood's case, is it compatible with the FS movie files? And can I use the sc-55 music pack with it? Also since it's made by le no chicken, does it have any fancy effects and can they be disabled so the game looks as classic as possible like in NBlood and GDX?

>>7874686
Look up the Trenchfoot wad. There's a demo out, it's bretty gud. Not late 90's-style, but very 40K.

Or just play E.Y.E - Divine Cybermancy.

>>7875443
Raze sucks im razist

>>7875471
I bet you're proud of yourself for coming up with that

>>7873082
>>7873093
I think you didn't understand me, I want to use the sprite as a sprite, like in doom

>>7875485
let me search what I want to do, I surely saw this in a counter-strike map

>>7875468
Trenchfoot is just okay.

EYE well. That team disappointed me over the years.

>>7873296
I think IF is just too easy. The enemies really aren’t much of a challenge with the arsenal you have.

Loverboy’s auto fire is way over powered, Bowling Bombs are ridiculous when charged because of the heat seeking, and the crossbow alt fire just melts the tougher enemies.

The only real challenge for me is the flaming skull ghost cyborg, but even that gets fucked by Bowling Bombs.

Maybe if the ammo supplies were tweaked so that crossbows and bowling bombs were more precious, that would add tension. But that still leaves us with the loverboy, a staple weapon, which is still too overtuned.

I wouldn’t know what to do to map for it and make interesting encounters.

BTSX is boring af, why people like this shit?

>>7875520
It came out at the right time. The textures, and atmosphere are a cut above most wads.

But I agree its boring, its just way too drawn out an experience. And what is genuinely challenging becomes more annoying than stimulating.

>>7875520
Speaking of BTSX, I think entering is a shit track. Essel's other stuff is alright though.

>>7875509
Personally I like the Ion Fury weapons, I hate when guns feel wimpy or underpowered. Now of course it will be cool when IF gets that expansion and hopefully new enemies and maybe also new weapons hmmm?

But right now it feels like they have a good coverage of the basics. Like yeah no, I don't really want for a weapon to feel like it is utter trash like the DOOM pistol.
Like especially for the checkpoint save system that IF seems to want to have the players mostly relying on I feel like the enemy balance is mostly fine although I thought it was odd that the game introduced the zombies really late to the game when you think about how utterly unthreatening they are?

I suppose they could have more enemy types like say a flame trooper or some kinda heavy weapons guy with a minigun that drops chaingun ammo as well?

An archvile equivalent could be neat as well or like some kind of necromancer that keeps summoning mutant zombies or whatever. But the basic enemy selection they have now is honestly fine for the game.

>>7875520
btsx is the quake 2 of doom

Damn people are too good at vidya gaems, I got close exactly once but most of the games were blowouts. DM is fun once in awhile.

>>7875560
Technical competence, but souless?

>>7875569
yeah and it literally just looks a lot like quake 2 if you take the enemies out

>>7875520
I enjoy the fighting, exploration, music, and visuals.

>>7875275
Thanks for hosting these

The most insulting thing about the hffm debacle is how stupid you idiots think we are. I was reading your bullshit plans for months, of course I let the other mods know about your silly little plans. You'd be perfectly okay with a gachi homage wad if it wasn't so clearly obvious that was just a thin veil for memeing around the f-word. That's how it started, so that's how it ends, don't bother underestimating everyone else's intelligence.

Also have fun releasing your n-word teasing quake project on black history month, I bet that's going to be a) coincidence, b) perfectly respectable homage to MLKjr as well. Just get rid of the slurs, you fucking morons.
-d

>>7874078
>waves of enemies are finite
Meaning that once you clear out a ''wave'' you can go molest Hugh Janus in peace until you hit that certain health threshold and he enters a new 'phase' which triggers another spawn set?

>>7875559
I like the weapons too, but the Loverboy has plenty of power (2-3 hit kill on weaker enemies) without the alt fire. The alt fire really trivializes combat.

With regards to enemies, I think about all the nuances with Doom’s bestiary.

The fact that riflemen can be used for infighting, Archville revive bait, are low or high priority depending on if you lack armor or have low health (making their place in combat more dynamic), makes them more interesting than the standard cyborg fodder.

With the cyborgs, you just shoot them last or first if they’re next to you. They’re more of a threat when you’re low on a health but even health is a non-issue because of how utterly plentiful it is.

>>7875598
i agree whoever signed off on putting faggot in the name knew exactly what they were doing but denying the whole thing just because of that is just kinda weird and wastes the effort of the mappers who had nothing to do with making the name. the obvious right thing to do is just change the name and reup it but now its been made too contentious

>>7875620
It's a copypasta.

>[Deleted]
As it should be

>>7875612
>nuances with DOOM bestiary
I think if you compare to DOOM bestiary pretty much any game will fall apart in comparison.

To the anon who wrote the Duke Nukem story: I liked it, but the relationship progressed a little fast, and the bad ending was sad. :(

>>7875630
Even without the DOOM comparison, I could compare the hitscanners to Blood (which is the obvious influence).

It just doesn’t stack up against them.

Maybe they’re closer to Shadow Warrior’s ninjas, but I remember them being faster.

>>7875598
no :3

>>7873136
>TNT: Evilution MIDI Pack is released
goddamit, just when I finished my playthrough

Doom deathmatch is kinda interesting in how it differs from other arena shooters. Like you're just naturally fast, most of the time you start with a really strong slow gun instead of a weak rapid fire gun, rockets can't be aimed at the ground, the plasma gun is actually really fucking strong and covers a ton of space.

>>7875280
>protagonist is like a merc goblin-like character
based
good luck with the project, hope to see updates here

i'm a little PISSED OFF... I TAKE THAT BACK I'M REALLY PISSED OFF. LAST NIGHT, I HAD DEW, THE UGLY ASS MOTHERFUCKING GORILLA LOOKING STANKING SON OF A FAGGOT BITCH, RIGHT WHERE I WANTED HIM. I TOLD DOOMWORLD, I'D KICK HIS SORRY ASS, RIGHT HERE, JUMPING, WHIIIIIIIM, STONE COLD STUNNER, 1 2 3, STONE COLD, STONE COLD, THAT'S ME, THE WORLD FAGGOT KILLER WRESTLING CHAMPION. NAH-AH... I TOLD THE DAMN WORLD WHAT I WAS GONNA DO, WHEN I HAD THAT SUMBITCH IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS THREAD, HERE COMES FAGGOT JANNIES CLEANING UP AISLE 4. SO SINCE THE COCK LICKER JANNIES SAW FIT TO COME IN THIS THREAD WITH STONE COLD STEVE AUTISM IN IT, I WANT YOU TO COME OUT YOU UGLY PIECES OF HOMO TRASH WITH YOUR SORRY LITTLE ASSES TO GIVE ME MY TITLE SHOT BACK RIGHT NOW. BRING YOUR ASSES HERE RIGHT NOW YOU LITTLE CHICKEN SHITS.

>>7875509
I like that all weapons are overpowered. I dislike the fire effect and tracers from teh dual subs and the bowlings bombs are stupid to use in build engine, pipe bombs worked better.

The game speed tune should be more like Duke but its trying to be blood witouth the flow of blood.

Either way the bosses are trash. But then again can you do better bosses in a build engine with gimmicks and stuff? Probably not.

Which is why the personality and the antagonist should be good. And they are absolute shit in IF.
Still they improved some stuff with the 1.1 patch, Shelly sprite is slightly better. I think a sequel would be nice but I dont really care about shelly.

>>7875651
Cultists are the only threat to the point they are kinda of a bore knowing you WILL get hit.

I like the less threatening enemies in IF. In fact with no save scumming and on max fury the grenade guys and flying mechs will tear you up.

And the big mechs will stomp on you.
This is another side but outside a few tracks I dont think the music in the game is something to talk about. Some tunes are fine like the very 90s train one but meh I dont know.

>>7875672

>protagonist is like a merc goblin-like character
Dont trust him anon.

He will pull a vomit inducing fetish style shit like Hedon "female" "orcs" and you will be sorry.

>>7875051
Man shut the fuck up. Enough with the vanilla fetishism. Everybody who plays Doom wads has PrBoom or something more advanced. Theres no reason for people to continue limiting themselves for no reason. Theres nothing cool about only being able to have 128 visplanes visible at once.

>>7873520
IMO, thematically, the gargoyles and the flesh balls dont go together. Maybe if there was a more demonic-looking sprite for the gargoyles.

>>7875718
Man modern fantasy stuff is so shitty and overdesigned.

>>7875485
You can use sprites (.spr files) with the misc_model entity.

>>7874675
I promised webms, but those can come later. I'm bringing you guys an HFFM HD co-op stream with Kegan and Ultra instead.

http://96.253.20.85:8080/
Starting up in the next few minutes.

>>7875051
>>7875720
Also, Rekkr already did the vanilla TC thing and took it seemingly as far as it could possibly go.

>>7875718
Aside making those two girls on the right more toned,it looks more boring despite the more intricate designs.

How can this be?

>>7875738
Well, hot damn.

didn't kegan said something about a kobold in gmota?
>>7875732
to me, it's something to do with the geometrial, "bended" shapes
specially with new blizzard games
and the fact that the details themselves aren't that interesting
also the fake sci-fi "magic tech" that some games like godfall have, as opposed to true "old times" fantasy
>>7875718
is it the hedon guy?
i think it's possible to make nonugly goblids/orcs/kobolds/etc work while also making them as unfetishized as possible or at least lower the "horny" aspect
>>7875742
it might be because one is trying to be more "tactical" or believable while the other is goofier, but not in a cool or interesting way
it's an arguement that sometimes, good fiction (art style or writing) needs a bit of "realism", even if that translates to its own rules and not that of our world
a recent exampe could be the advanced wars remake on switch because some of the character portaits have awkward shapes and weak shading
they have that western mimicking anime aesthetic (i mean it's wayforward) and even if that style is not that bad, you can't help but think the original portraits had some better proportions and lightning

>>7875721
what is this

>>7875750
Yeah, I'm gonna be adding a Kobold in this update. But I've been dragging my feet with Kustam's updates right now. It's a ballbuster.
and I hate Blizzard's influence on fantasy shit. I want practical armor but still have weird magic bullshit and guns.

>>7875718
>hedon, females, orcs
The fuck are you talking about? I haven't said details of my wad yet and you're expecting shit like that... Please take your meds.

>>7875720
>>7875739
I think you guys are right, Boom/MBF has more interesting features that I could use and it's less demanding than vanilla format.

>>7875763
https://www.moddb.com/mods/raptorrok-v10

>>7875718
damn, I miss the hell out of Keith

>>7875750
>it might be because one is trying to be more "tactical" or believable while the other is goofier, but not in a cool or interesting way.it's an arguement that sometimes, good fiction (art style or writing) needs a bit of "realism"
I guess it has something to do on how several fantasy media in the last 2 decades overused said artstyle.
When World of Warcraft exploded in popularity,everyone jumped in and tried to copy.
Let's be honest,if Hexen or Heretic went for something like that,would it be more appealing visually?
It's like it strips away the gritty side of fantasy

Sector... clear... over...

>>7875789
maybe
it also makes me wonder if it's the actual armors/weapons/objects being used or just colors and proportions
like, if i edited some things, maybe some opinions could change or at least make it not as black and white as it looks
like how a lot of modern sci-fi feels like it's trying to mimick either warframe or halo (specially 343 to be specific) and you wonder how much it's the styles themselves not being that great or just imitators making it worse
doom nowadays technically borrows something from both modern sci-fi and fantasy, specially for a series that aesthetically used to be simply, with made sense for a very simple premise

>When the protagonist of one of your favourite FPS games is a real guy

https://soldieroffortune.fandom.com/wiki/John_F._Mullins

>>7875789
Fantasy has been commodified and tamed just look at critical faggots. Once it stops being niche it dilutes itself and turns to mediocre anime and capeshit.

Which is why sword and sorcery is dead. Its too metal for regular audiences.
>>7875803
Nobody tries to copy warframe the fuck are you talking about its the only good thing about that retarded mess its the moebius style art.

>>7875814
I guess that's why Souls games ended up being so successful. They captured the old feeling fantasy that has been lost in terms of aesthetic.

I wish something like Thief could be done,at least in terms of visuals. The weird blend of steampunk and medieval times

>>7875718
>He will pull a vomit inducing fetish style shit
Nah, that will be me with my futanari hentai shooter.

>>7875718
>He will pull a vomit inducing fetish style shit like Hedon "female" "orcs" and you will be sorry.
uh so? that's based

>>7875742
What gets me is the sense of scale. Everyone in the second pic, aside from the dragon and the kobold, is virtually the same height. It doesn't look like a larger than life fantasy world, it looks like a drawing of someone's MMO raid.

It's sort of like the difference between good superhero comic book art, and art that looks like a drawing of someone cosplaying as a superhero. Hard to explain, but you know it when you see it.

>>7875824
souls also taking inspiration from berserk too
then there's the remake of des
>>7875849
it's the actual places they're in too
there's no 3d space in the actual image
speaking of superheroes, wasn't there a rule that some characters were drawn "secretly naked" like bodypaint?
i also thought strife, despite having medieval meets tech, had both good looking "comic book-ish" potraits and a low tech/low level medieval sci-fi aesthetic, specially compared to something like the sentinels in new doom

>>7875849
That but also in terms of designs.
Nothing major in the first picture,they're pretty generic but visually distinct. You get their roles from the get-go.

Now look at the second one.
Everyone look like they belong in the same team

>>7875718
There are things I like about the bottom image, but overall the top image is just much better in every way.

>>7875742
A big problem with modern digital art is it's clean and sterile. The way it uses lighting also makes the metallic pieces look like great hunks of plastic. The character designs tend to follow the rule of cool, with lots of exaggerated armour pieces (especially the fucking pauldrons) and exaggerated proportions too. A big problem the piece has too is it has no sense of depth to it. This is probably just me talking out of my ass though, as I know nothing about art.

>>7873781
>Bluetonia
Is that really a thing? Sounds like a shitty jokewad.

>>7875862
Its not like I dont like stylized shit anon as well. That image is meant to underline other things. Something we lost.

>>7875864
That thong is hhhnng.

>>7875867
Yes. I think it's a tarnsman project too.

>>7874594
Hard Fast Bundle of Maps

>>7875864
I think you just nailed something I dont like about Doom Eternal.

>>7875039
MBF21. I'm tinkering with stuff now: I made some flying imps, and they and normal imps are immune to eachother; I added the Valiant mancubus and a random-patterned mancubus I dubbed the RandoManc, and none of the variants hurt eachother, as well as a new rocket-immune full-volume-sound boss-tier enemy. I'm still learning how the custom monster projectile thing works. I want to add a "tracer" projectile that fires along with the cybruiser's super chaingun, but i haven't gotten it to work yet. I managed to make zombiemen fire custom projectiles I made up, but I haven't gotten my cybruiser to fire them for some reason. Anyway here is a test map I made
https://files.catbox.moe/vdpcjq.wad

>>7875039
MBF21 would be VASTLY more friendly to making a TC than sticking to Vanilla.

>>7875859
some say the second image designs are overdesigned, but if anything, they feel simpler and less interesting
at least some of them but still
their poses are also awkward, as if they weren't meant for the situation or whatever is supposed to happen there
first image tells a story in some way
and yet some people want heretic and hexen to come back
>>7875864
problem with "cool" is that at times feels ironic and forgets that people legitimately thought something was cool and it came down from a bit of grit or realism
when you make something intentionaly goofy or overly stylized, it feels safe
it's specially a problem with new doom trying to be goofy as if classic doom wasn't something people liked because it was the "90's satanic game" and one texture in particular had metal pipes stabbing through flesh, indicating a certain level of horror
even if doom 3 focused too much on horror, you can still see certain things in the 90's doom games that show some potential for it

>>7875880
I agree for some of the monsters. It in general does have a problem with overdesign.

>>7875874
>tfw the guys who can paint in this particular style are getting old
>tfw they will all be dead soon
This'll be the last one I post, pls don't hurt me janny

>>7875890
>heretic and hexen to come back

Heretic and Hexen are more like the first picture. Its 90s fantasy.

>>7875901
They are all dead anon. Vallejo also is dead right?

Fantasy will continue to be obsidian type of gay for some time now.

Nah its relevant Doom also carries that 90s aesthetic hard. If anything I must give IF some points for looking 90s as fuck.

now i remember that one time someone on these threads said "it's trying to be 90's when it was originally 80's" and i hate that it's stuck in my head because i can't even find the original post

Sure, we might have a better chance if we work together.

>>7875915
I think it was me, like two weeks ago right? I come here like only once in a while.

>>7875928
i remember it since 2020 february when someone posted videos of eternal
like when the fortress of doom was revealed

>>7875908
The guy who painted pic related is still alive thankfully. I'll commission him for my shooter if I get the funding for it.

>>7875715
The issue with the mechs are their pathing and that chaingun ammo seems to stun them?

The last two in the game got stuck on walls way too easily. And the two in the garage I seemed to cheese unintentionally by spamming the chaingun.

When you don’t fight them without the chaingun and pathing isn’t an issue, they’re easily the hardest enemies. But its mainly because of the ridiculous nade spam they use. I’d like to see them in more open environments like the actual boss encounter. That boss encounter is also the highlight of the game for me.

>>7875924
This part stuck with me because he gibbed a zombie corpse by opening the door and commented on the smell. It's surprising how it wasn't even a scripted sequence.

>>7875890
Overdesigned can be good but most of the time,it flops. It's an issue I have with a lot of hi-tech armors in the last decade.
Look at Master Chief armor during Bungie era and compare it to 343 era. It doesn't look practicle al all to wear.

Or a less popular ones Quake 2 and FEAR 1 enemies.
They're simple and manage to convey their roles. While in their sequels Quake 4 and FEAR 2,they became so messy that it just blend together.

Fighting games seems to be the only place where you can get characters with exaggerated proportions and designs and make them look good,for the most part.

>>7875932
Heavy Metal was jank but it was a cool use of the quake 3 engine. It was a nice attempt at action adventure a bit too ambitious but hey.

Made today it would be glorious with physics and such.

>>7875937
It think they are scripted to comment on gibbed stuff.

>>7875937
My favorite recent one was taking two Barneys to the office complex, left them in the hallway and went to the room where the two scientists try to escape into the vent. When they get gibbed and the vent vomits their innards out of the Barneys just goes ''Phew, something died doownn here'' in that kinda casual tone.
I'm not 100 percent on what triggers the line but maybe it's an entity being gibbed that does it? Or maybe it was coincidental.

Also for some autistic reason I like to escort the Half Life NPCs I meet to a safe feeling place and hope that they can safely ride out the disaster. Often feels kind of horrifying to leave them behind.

>>7875961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tvz0WVaQGg

>>7875932
An action adventure 3d person game with recognizable badass grills woudl be a dope idea.

Hunter, FAKK2 lady, maybe others.

>>7875937
The AI in Half-Life actually has a mechanic for smell, where certain things are smelly, and NPCs in the vicinity may react to it.

>>7875971
Oh, well, I guess just let Marphy demonstrate it.

>>7875867
Doom 2 In Spain Only guys said they were making it for their next project.

>>7875932
You are the one who been asking about gzdoom for a new project?

I wonder when you will give up.

>>7875989
>somuchsorrow.jpg

>>7875989
>You are the one who been asking about gzdoom for a new project?
Yeah, I'm the guy who wants to make a hentai shooter in GZDoom.

>I wonder when you will give up.
Well, I haven't given up yet. Pic related is a super quick concept sketch my friend did for a weapon. NSFW, if it doesn't go without saying.

>>7876018
>pic
You have my unconditional support anon. Please do not let it die.

>>7876018
I hope it dies anon. I expected something like Heavy Metal Fakk2 not coomer trash.

>>7876023
I'll do my best, Anon.

>>7876028
That crossbow isn't unlike something you'd see in Heavy Metal, you know. But you do you.

>>7876037
Yeah you are giving up its a terrible idea to make a porn game in gzdoom.

>>7876018
That's an imaginative weapon.

>>7876028
>>7876046
Don't be such a bitch.

>>7876018
Crossballs lol

>>7875738
Eric?

Alright, time for another Prodoomer stream if anyone wants to see me wander through bullshit mazes.

>>7876356
post the link homo

>>7876358
Sure thing faggot
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3Q1NtxuRQE

>>7875750
>to me, it's something to do with the geometrial, "bended" shapes
>specially with new blizzard games
So I'm not the only one who noticed how often angular many of Blizzard's current models are. Also that obnoxious shading... Not to mention that WoW just looks pretty dull and generic nowadays, but that's to be expected from Shadowlands & lead narrative designer. Warcraft 3 still got it worse with Reforged though.
>>7875824
I thought that was because of gameplay + being yet another series where "lore theory speculation" decease started to naturally grow out of nowhere.

>tfw sky transfers are now basically a limit removing feature considering crispy doom and latest versions of prboom+/dsda support them regardless of complevel.

>>7876407
Might as well, it's one of those features which wouldn't need any kind of really advanced engine, like many of UMAPINFO's features.

>>7875738
Shame about all the technical issues, but I had a lot of fun with the maps themselves. Might take more cracks at it in singleplayer, I'm sure I could grind out the maps we ended up skipping with latency out of the picture.

>>7876159
Still here, despite everything.

>>7876419
Good to see you're still around. Maybe this place hasn't gone to complete shit after all.

>>7875485
well, to your actual question: yes, it's possible to add your own sprites, both billboard and arbitrarily rotated. it's how Quoth did foliage and vent grates before common engines had support for fence textures.
but it's really fiddly (TB doesn't properly show rotation), they will always be at full brightness, and at the end of the day you're puttng the same work that could have gone towards a masked texture and getting less in return.

>>7875137
>>7875172
Silence
I am a Hexenchad
>>7875720
I was joking anon.
>>7875280
Sounds cool, you have tons of things that you can draw from if you run out of ideas. Gobbos are so common yet so underused that pretty much every setting has a different spin on them. And yeah, I think MBF is definetly the best option.

>>7873228
>>7873290
IIRC PRODOOMER was made by one Chilean guy on his local Tumblr-esque blog with like 5 or 6 followers encouraging him to go on, and absolutely nobody but himself playtesting anything.

This mod is a great example of what happens when a lot of effort is put forth into something, without any outside input whatsoever.

I tried to play it to completion, but broke halfway, when I encountered an picrelated enormous area with like 5 big copypasted rooms on each side, in each room 3 switches side by side that have to be pressed.

There are 30 switches in plain sight in copy pasted areas and each has to be pressed.

That had to be the worst case of mindless padding that I have ever seen anywhere at all.

There are a lot of huge maps with otherwise fine geometry, complex scripts, boss introductions and obviously fuckton of effort put into it, and all of it is absolutely wasted because the guy who made it has no idea what "game design" means and nobody ever told him.


I am now playing through Blade of Agony (ep 3 version that I nabbed before it was removed) and I must say while not as bad at level design as prodoomer, it is definitely up there in terms of gameplay design and overabundance of pointless visual effects for the sake of effects

>>7876424
It's the only part of the Doom community I give a shit about besides the HD subcommunity. They'd have to drag me away.

>>7876453
>I tried to play it to completion, but broke halfway, when I encountered an picrelated enormous area with like 5 big copypasted rooms on each side, in each room 3 switches side by side that have to be pressed.
>There are 30 switches in plain sight in copy pasted areas and each has to be pressed.
>That had to be the worst case of mindless padding that I have ever seen anywhere at all.
what would bring someone to think that's a good idea

making a bridge. changed the sky... gotta learn movers.
gotta look up how to fog, but I don't think it'll matter since I'm using software rendering.

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/which-game-killed-the-shooter-genre.138957/

>>7876491
I actually enjoyed the first two Bioshocks a lot

>>7876495
Yikes

>>7875867
Yea, just like it's precursor Doom 2 In Spain Only. It has the same team of mappers including Tarnsman, Jimmy and Esselfortium behind it, so we can expect a quality release.

>>7876362
Dear diary, today I was penetrated multiple times by the long shafts of archers in the jungle. I also have an email I need to write.

>>7876362
>>7876603
The chemo that is curing /vr/. Keep going man.
I'd also love to read that email if possible

The idea of trying myself at Quake modding was floating in my mind for quite some time now and I'm wondering how hard/impossible it would be to do the following as a "vanilla mod/mission pack":
>Create vanilla style maps for an episode.
>Add some weapons from OG mission packs + change/add behaviour of vanilla ones.
>Implement a new ammo that would be used in collaboration with typical ones via alt-attack (with a couple of "exceptions").
>Assign that function to Runes. Maybe even have Hexen 2-like menu to select them, but that might be too complicated.
>Deactive the ability to use these alt-attack when you activated power-ups (Biosuit is an exception).
>Implement a few new enemies to vanilla roster.

I fully understand that this sounds too ambitious from someone with no real prior experience of modding, coding, you name it. So that's mostly to satisfy my curiousity as, again, this topic interested me for a while now and I really doubt I would do much here because I'm too much of a indecisive coward. That's just one of my issues... I mean, I sit in this thread everyday. lol

>>7876603
Your tenacity gives me inspiration anon

As you've struggled against that door I tried lookin it up in the builder and the builder selfdestructed with errors.
I'll try looking up what's up with it, and maybe try to grind the wad for shits and giggles while I'm at my workplace (i.e. in 2 days) and have nothing better to do.

>>7876606
Here's the opening paragraph:
>Dear FAGGOT (I don't care what your actual name is), I recently had the displeasure of playing your Touhou Doom wad. To say that I was offended by its mere presence on my hard drive would be a huge understatement. I suffered through your brainless encounters, your awful dialogue, I sat there with my thumb up my ass while I watched Reimu go to town on the prolapsed buttholes of a Cacodemon horde.

>>7876614
Good luck, Anon. Maybe you can work out what that stupid fucking door does, because I can't.

>>7876608
I'd really love to see the guns-that-get-upgrades being replaced by something more useful.

Like single shotgun-> snipey revolver
basic nailgun - hitscan SMG with some spread

Give grenades from GL wider area of effect and reduced self-damage to make grenade jumps to be a good, but trickier alternative to rocketjumps.
Replace the damn thunderbolt with plasmagun.

It obviously doesent make sense for those weapons to share ammo, but hey, its arcane magicks

>>7874452
>>7874467
Five of those are from Marathon: Rubicon, the little flying guy at the top is from Marathon: Evil, no idea where the scythe-fighter and spikes-trooper are from.

>>7876621
If I would've actually done anything, I'm confident that I would rather stay true to the original game and just add on top instead of really changing what's already there. Not only because I'm lazy piece of shit, but also because I'm mostly purist these days. In other words, "don't fix what ain't broken" approach.

Although maybe getting that sweet railgun from VR could be better than Laser Cannon from SoA... but doing stuff "yourself" sounds better.

>megawad starts out as babby mode as if I'm still new to playing Doom, before going hard later on.
Yawn
>megawad already has hard maps early on, acknowledging that I have in fact already beaten Doom 2 and Final Doom and want a bigger challenge.
Hell Yeah

>>7876687
I prefer when mapsets have their difficulty curve all over the place rather than a gradual build up. It's a lot more fun and unpredictable that way.

>>7876687
first one - becomes a decent challenge past the first third
second one - quickly devolves into slaughtershit

>>7876687
What are some babbymode maps? Those play great with -fast monsters, like scythe e1. Valiant maps 1-3 are super fun with -fast also but beyond that it started getting extremely difficult (playing without saves and recoording personal demos)

>>7876436
>>7875736
oh well... I think this works better for a tree 2bh

>>7876697
No you see, second wouldn't "devolve" into anything. It always had hard and "slaughter" gameplay. First is usually more likely to change to it, if anything, as theres an actual extreme to change from..

>>7876687
>Megawad's author has a particular style of mapping and combat that takes a moment to get used to and lets you ease into the challenges of the wad

>>7876696
I agree. It is so much better than the entire first half of a megawad being a challengeless cakewalk.

>>7876701
Eviternity episodes 1 and 2.

>>7876704
map?

I download Eternity Engine to play some heartland, but can't find "always run" toggle.

Why doesn't the Cybie in HFFM have a "FUCKING SLAVES GET YOUR ASS BACK HERE" wakeup sound

>>7876754
it should be a bind you can set.

>>7876753
cs_bikini

>>7876767
Somehow I wasn't able to see it for a while. Now I see it.

who thought this was a good idea

>>7876782
No anon you don't understand this is cinematic and cool.

>>7876782
>this post was brought to you by the myopia gang

>>7876782
nooooo shut up shut up shut up we have to pretend this looks good to own the libs

So Hexen format has no generic lift action for Lower to floor Wait Raise in a single use press on linedefs, right?
Just want to make sure before I go ahead and have to delve into learning ACS.