Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1956

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Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1956 Anonymous Sat Jun 30 05:43:04 2018 No.19325794 [Reply] [Original]

This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, and Japanese video games.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the guide before asking stupid questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>19317127

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 06:54:45 2018 No.19326044 File: 75 KB, 1000x563, c55ca2df-s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 07:56:35 2018 No.19326388 File: 184 KB, 1024x788, Genkoyoshi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] にほんごのべんきょうたてがきになれたほうがいいとおもう

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 08:23:42 2018 No.19326606 掌

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 08:30:36 2018 No.19326659 >>19326606 たなごころ　掌どこかはしらない

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 08:37:04 2018 No.19326699
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>>19325794
>This radical means cocoon
>No, it means young
>Wrong, it means slight
>Actually it means my pile of stuff

What's a good Anki deck for radicals? I don't care about it having any frills like pictures or TTS. At this point, all I want is accuracy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 08:39:50 2018 No.19326716 >>19326699 There is none. Who the hell told you to make an radical deck? You can optionally do a Kanji study course or alternatively skip that entirely and just learn vocab. Learning radicals on their own is pointless.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 08:42:54 2018 No.19326735 >>19326716 Some people recommended learning them, others didn't. I decided to give radicals a shot, and I'm finding that I recall kanji significantly better when they have multiple radicals that I know.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 08:45:06 2018 No.19326755 radicals have their own japanese names, you know

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 08:48:27 2018 No.19326777 youre gonna know the radicals from seeing lots of kanji try giving learning nihongo a shot it works really well

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 08:49:56 2018 No.19326784 File: 1.09 MB, 1920x1080, Kyou no Asuka Show - 06_[00:02:13.174].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] > 姉妹 > 兄弟 > 兄姉 > 弟妹 > 兄妹 > 姉弟 Come on, I'm trying to learn Japanese, not combinatorics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 08:50:05 2018 No.19326785 Know of any Anki decks that definitively provide their official Japanese names? The problem is that the one I'm using keeps teaching me weird radical names that I'm not finding anywhere else on the internet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 08:53:59 2018 No.19326813 But I noticed that I recall kanji significantly better when they have multiple radicals that I know. Learning radicals is helping me learn nihongo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 08:55:59 2018 No.19326822 >>19326784 たしか義兄弟ってあるよねスゴイコワイスラングで

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 09:03:55 2018 No.19326870 >>19326784 If you created a mind palace with all the kanji it would be extremely easy to recall these words: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vlpQHJ09do

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 09:08:37 2018 No.19326905 >>19326870 It is easy, I'm just saying it reeks of autism. This is the answer to the question how much Chinese is too much Chinese, too bad the Japs didn't ask themselves that question a few centuries ago.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 09:12:35 2018 No.19326931 They should've changed to a latin-based alphabet or done something similar to Korea, while tossing in random vowels for certain words to manage homonyms. Please don't defend kanji when you know it's stupid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 09:16:55 2018 No.19326956 you dont need to defend or attack kanji you just need to learn some of them

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 09:28:26 2018 No.19327024

>>19326699
1) Radical lists from kanji-learning resources will always rename problematic radicals to things easier to use in mnemonics. Wanikani is especially bad about this, they even rename the GOOD ones (like calling 扌 nailbat).
2) Radicals don't have precise meanings.
3) Some radicals are merged versions of older ancient radicals, so they have multiple unrelated "meanings".
If you're still interested, the kangxi radicals 2017 deck is probably the least bad option. But again, radicals aren't typically meaningful components, they just happen to have meanings sometimes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 09:28:56 2018 No.19327027 kanji, isn't stupid, the Japanese language is. any language with this amount of homonyms and shitty conjunctions (just count how many different shitty hiragana barf ways there are to say anyhow/even still/regardless there are)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 09:29:01 2018 No.19327028 >>19326931 You just decribed old kana orthography.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 09:29:46 2018 No.19327033 >>19327024 Thank you very much. I really appreciate it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 09:29:54 2018 No.19327035 >>19327027 anyway anyhow that being said aside from that furthermore besides conversely on the other hand putting that aside despite that regardless

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 09:36:08 2018 No.19327069 >>19327035 these all have meanings though as in literally putting that aside = move it out of consideration, they're all understandable even if you had never seen them before, unlike 99% of Japanese conjunctions etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 09:36:56 2018 No.19327073 >>19327069 the japanese ones do too, you just don't know enough japanese to see through them yet

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 09:51:17 2018 No.19327163

>>19326931
I was kind of disappointed in kanji when I came across shit like 家, 開く, 風, 行った, etc. Kanji resolved one kind of context dependency and replaced it with another. And not a single English speaking youtube jap I've seen so far talks about this when defending kanji.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 10:02:11 2018 No.19327243 >>19326931 >They should've changed to latin-based alphabet Retarded post. Consider suicide

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 10:11:09 2018 No.19327301 >>19327073 explain そして　しかも　どうせ　どゆやら　まま　etc

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 10:15:07 2018 No.19327324 File: 35 KB, 345x278, hold the aids plz.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 10:15:59 2018 No.19327329 >>19327301 そして bare そ-type determiner stem plus て form of する >しかも archaic "such" word 然《しか》 plus polarizing particle も >どうせどう plus the imperative of す co-opted for a general irrealis sentiment >どゆやら is this a typo for どうやらどうやら is just どう plus やら

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 10:17:22 2018 No.19327338 no

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 10:21:05 2018 No.19327362 None of you know Japanese

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 10:22:03 2018 No.19327368 >>19327362 you don't know japanese

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 10:25:01 2018 No.19327381 check out my hissatuwaza knows nihongo

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 10:40:17 2018 No.19327437 I'll be done with my reviews of today's new cards in 30 minutes or less. See you guys then.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 10:42:33 2018 No.19327448 ill be here to ask what youve learned

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 10:44:57 2018 No.19327465 >>19327163 Kanji weren't adopted to resolve any kind of context dependency. That's an ex post facto rationalization. Kana weren't even developed until after the adoption of kanji.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 10:52:39 2018 No.19327521 >>19327465 Actually most of these issues could be resolved with a bit of government intervention. All Europeans did it, the Chinese probably did it, Koreans did it, I don't see why the Japanese can't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 10:56:23 2018 No.19327545 >>19327521 inb4 cock suckers whine about how it's not necessary. Nobody said it was necessary. Just that their retarded language could be made better is all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 10:57:40 2018 No.19327556 >>19327521 They did. They chose to keep kanji. Because they aren't actually a problem.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 10:58:39 2018 No.19327560 File: 536 KB, 2048x686, jews.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm 100% against making Japanese more accessible and normie-friendly

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:02:41 2018 No.19327584 is 一つ仮名 an elaborate ruse? i'm not asking if it is used, i'm asking if it's only used as some kind of meta-commentary on linguistics

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:03:20 2018 No.19327588

>>19327560
Their inaccessibility/resistance to "globalism" has to do with their genes making them less universalistic and less open than westerners. Westerners were selected for their openness via bipartite manorialism and the church banning close cousin marriage after the fall of rome. Changing their language would change nothing about that.

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:07:18 2018 No.19327611

>>19327588
>Westerners were selected for their openness
what is this
>Changing their language would change nothing about that.
i agree as can be demonstrated by their fetishization of the west changing nothing about that, but i also agree because anyone who wants the language to change is an incompetent fool who should be ignored

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:09:19 2018 No.19327625

>>19327588
Every shitty redditor that learns Japanese and moves there contributes to the cancer that will eventually ruin Japan. If anything, Japan needs to be made more hostile and diffiult to live in if you don't know Japanese, and all English teachers that can't pass Kanken 2 need to be deported instantly

You need only take a gander at the state of South Korea to see what damage americanization causes to oriental cultures.

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:11:34 2018 No.19327637

>>19327625
you mean like how it brings prosperity? yeah what a shame

maybe japan will stop being a dilapidated rusty rundown shithole outside of the major city hotspots (and even then not always) once some white and brown people get in there and whip that country into shape

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:14:07 2018 No.19327654 >>19327637 >a dilapidated rusty rundown shithole outside of the major city hotspots i've watched a lot of comfy rural anime so i know you're lying but i want to live in japan so i'm on your side anyway

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:16:50 2018 No.19327678 >>19327654 go east of tokyo and take a shot every time you see a rusty piece of shit building or piece or infrastructure

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:19:21 2018 No.19327692 People can point out flaws in Japan's economy but all things considered, they have a high standard of living and are the world's third largest economy. They're doing fine even with their aging population.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:22:59 2018 No.19327707 >>19327678 my local train station greets incoming visitors with several massive piles of trash outside a waste burning facility opposite the station, you have to do worse than rusty buildings

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:25:01 2018 No.19327721

>>19327692
third largest economy because the world buys all their shit

not because they are self sufficient and sustaining

>>19327707
go to southside kawasaki and breathe in literally deadly fumes from factories in the most polluted area of japan where they actually give out medical reimbursements to the residents if they get sick from it

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:26:49 2018 No.19327736

Japan's population is already too large. If they wanted to continue the eternal growth meme they'd have to capture

Compare Japan's topography map and population density map, the country is fucking FULL. They'd better start expanding to Manchuria and Korea soon if they want to continue the jewish world economy meme train.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:29:13 2018 No.19327748 >>19327736 nah we can still cram a few more into this railcar we just need to use some elbow grease to get them in far enough to close the doors

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:29:22 2018 No.19327749 >>>/int/

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:34:10 2018 No.19327765 >>19327736 just wait until we artificially expand japan the japanese empire idea didn't work out but the future is here and instead of conquering we can just expand the landmass

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:35:44 2018 No.19327777 File: 145 KB, 1280x720, tyu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] look at this fuckin expansion

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:38:08 2018 No.19327787 >>19327777 She's missing a nipple.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:39:06 2018 No.19327791 >>19327787 she's missing two nipples and she has a tumor

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:45:27 2018 No.19327830 >>19327777 mom!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:47:40 2018 No.19327845 >>19327777 tits too small

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:51:00 2018 No.19327872 >>19327777 transcend...older sister...stand up...I can't read this shit at all. Is that kanji book in the resources a scam?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 11:51:57 2018 No.19327883 File: 91 KB, 447x597, 1529949669438.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19327872 yes!! everything in the guide is a scam!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:01:56 2018 No.19327945 >>19327777 everytime you post this picture a siberian tiger dies do you want to bring siberian tigers to extinction

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:06:01 2018 No.19327980 >>19327872 The second one means whore.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:10:15 2018 No.19328015 File: 141 KB, 1280x720, 1530375015494.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19327945 heres my answer

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:12:47 2018 No.19328034 >>19327980 Why is yomichan lying to me?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:14:55 2018 No.19328050 >>19328034 cuz it's trash, install rikai.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:23:51 2018 No.19328106 I don't even want to learn Japanese but these threads are so comfy I keep coming back.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:26:29 2018 No.19328120 >>19327362 I don't even know English.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:27:18 2018 No.19328124 >>19328120 Bet you don't know your native langauge either

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:27:32 2018 No.19328129 >>19328106 I know right, I keep procrastinating on anki but pretend I am making progress by coming in this thread.

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:36:28 2018 No.19328181

Damn, why doesn't this country revamp it's entire writing system so I as a dumb foreigner have less of a perceived challenge ahead of me if I decide to learn this language? Don't they want me to learn the language, immigrate to their country, commit crimes and breed their women? Why are Japanese people so racist?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:38:09 2018 No.19328197 I wish kana was never invented

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:38:43 2018 No.19328202 >>19328197 I wish you were never born

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:41:03 2018 No.19328223 how did foreigners learn japanese before kana was a thing? thinking about making flashcards with jyoucho instead of じょうちょ　sends shivers down my spine

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:42:27 2018 No.19328234 >>19328181 And while they're at it, they should rewrite all nukige in this new and improved writing system for me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:42:52 2018 No.19328236 >>19328223 Yeah literally how the fuck do people even learn chinese it's fucking impossible

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:46:00 2018 No.19328261

tbf romanized chinese is kind of fucked like cao cao should be cowcow but it's actually tsaotsao, this wouldn't be an issue if there was kana that represented the sounds instead of shitty arbitrary wypipo letter approximations

hanzi only have one reading though so they're effectively alphabets themselves

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:46:55 2018 No.19328265 yeah we already know you're retarded no need to rub it in dude

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:54:16 2018 No.19328320 Lots of 出来ない in this thread today

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:56:44 2018 No.19328339 You're in the right place.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:57:32 2018 No.19328349 welcome to djt watch the trim

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 12:58:57 2018 No.19328358

>>19328261
why don't they create a phonetic alphabet like hangul
i'm not saying they should use it because that would be fucking ridiculous, just that it would be a better system for describing the phonetics of the other hanzi than latin
also i know there are phonetic hanzi but they seem to have more strokes than they need to which i would assume is why latin ends up being used

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 13:02:10 2018 No.19328384 the whole point of modern japanese is to do as little work as possible to communicate making a whole new alphabet kind of goes against that

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 13:02:25 2018 No.19328385 >>19328358 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bopomofo

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 13:03:19 2018 No.19328392 you cant just tell people that chinese has kana thats against the rules

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 13:14:41 2018 No.19328472 >>19328320 >today

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Anonymous Sat Jun 30 13:29:21 2018 No.19328572

Why in the world are non-H manga scans all so damn low resolution recently?

I remember once upon a time scanned manga resolution was almost always quite high (admittedly a long ass time ago). I mean entire tanks can be 20-30 MB, which is anemic. You can't see details for shit in some kanji, especially for hand written small phrases/text bubbles.

It wouldn't even be a huge deal if I could buy legit ebooks that were actually high quality, but Japanese manga e-books are all bullshit resolution that's usually even worse than pirated shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 13:30:15 2018 No.19328582 >>19328181 They don't have to fix their shitty inefficient writing system if they don't want to. Nobody is saying that they're racist, or that if they are racist that that's a bad thing. Calm down.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 13:32:43 2018 No.19328601 why in the world havent you learned nihongo recently

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 13:32:52 2018 No.19328603 >>19328582 I was going to make a joke your head post but I'm not sure if you'd get it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 13:32:58 2018 No.19328604 >>19328572 Manga scans in general are bad. Even for popular series, sometimes your only choice is low-res scans with yellowed pages, poor cropping, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 13:33:13 2018 No.19328607 >>19328572 They just upload ebook rips, which have low resolutions themselves unless they're from moe labels.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 13:35:26 2018 No.19328623 >>19328572 >recently lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 13:39:20 2018 No.19328649 おきちゃったにほんのむしあつさすごい

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 13:40:51 2018 No.19328664

>>19328623
I've been kinda away from the scanned manga scene for about a decade now, anon. I just didn't expect quality to get this much worse over this time. I remember 1400x/1600x and bigger images were common. Now I feel like I'm forced to read dead tree manga. Hell, I bet this is what the Japanese publishers want, goddammit.
>>19328649
Don't you have AC? Hit that 除湿 button, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 13:42:10 2018 No.19328672 袖より合うも春の夜の他生の縁となつかしむなり Can anyone help translate this? I particularly have trouble with the first line.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 13:43:45 2018 No.19328683 >>19328672 https://japanknowledge.com/articles/blognihongo/entry.html?entryid=326

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 13:52:54 2018 No.19328746

i did it boys i might be the first person in the world to have finished summer pockets

i feel like shit and im fuckign retarded but i think the game actualy ended up better than expected

fuck neo key tho also im so gay

and tired

i should make a twitter you boneheads would prolly read it

good luck in the rest of the thread doin whatever yall do peace

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 13:53:15 2018 No.19328748 Has anyone here done a student exchange? I can't decide whether I want to do a one-semester or year long one. Thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 14:12:18 2018 No.19328848 ねえおにいちゃんうみぱんたべたい

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 14:13:55 2018 No.19328853 >>19328848 膿パン？

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 14:15:02 2018 No.19328861 File: 6 KB, 261x193, 海パン.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19328853

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 14:20:37 2018 No.19328886 umi da

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 14:21:42 2018 No.19328895 青い空

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 14:22:00 2018 No.19328897 >>19327777 I would love to just put my face between those and brrrrrr

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 14:22:23 2018 No.19328900 >>19328897 pretty cold right

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 14:23:56 2018 No.19328905 羽ばたいたら戻らないと言って

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 14:24:07 2018 No.19328908 >>19328897 I wouldn't put my self too close to those tumors

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 14:24:46 2018 No.19328910 >>19328900 no, motorboat noises

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 14:26:44 2018 No.19328921 >>19328910 to warm yourself up against that icy flesh, i get it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 14:44:33 2018 No.19328987 >>19328664 Manga isn't reading though.

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 14:57:24 2018 No.19329054
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I came across this video on youtube and figured some of you might consider showing it to your Japanese kanojos so that you can make the best of your relationship. Best of luck!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdi6d-g4bxs&

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 15:00:39 2018 No.19329069 >>19329054 Is that what the average gaijin hunter looks like?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 15:03:23 2018 No.19329078 >>19325794 No updates to the DJT library since January. I'm really thankful of everything that's already been uploaded but I guess this place is dying ...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 15:04:31 2018 No.19329083 >>19329078 word of mouth is that there's more but they organized some kind of fucking discord or something out so fuck them

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 15:15:33 2018 No.19329146 >>19329078 >>19329083 just go to the store and buy a fucking book it's not that hard

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 15:20:02 2018 No.19329165 >>19329146 my neetbucks aren't sufficient to feed myself

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 15:21:18 2018 No.19329173 stop being a fat fuckかな

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 15:36:39 2018 No.19329263 >>19327560 DISGUSTING hhh nuke these jew fuckers

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 15:58:27 2018 No.19329369 >>19327560 What forum is this (no I'm not here to start the discussion again i just wanna know what forum that is)

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:09:24 2018 No.19329438

I notice that whenever I read, the vast majority of words I don't know and can't guess the meaning of are kunyomi Yamato Kotoba, particularly verbs, but every textbook and resource I've ever seen focuses mostly on onyomi words. Does anybody else have this problem?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:14:20 2018 No.19329473 >>19329438 what are you looking at textbooks and resources for regarding vocabulary?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:24:17 2018 No.19329558 File: 135 KB, 882x722, matt_anki.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anki is a waste of time

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:25:39 2018 No.19329572 >>19329558 wtf I love anki now

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:27:00 2018 No.19329585 File: 157 KB, 399x399, 011f443aadd782d3987d1602a0bf7991ca479a66132b85dc9045bc8fc5efe23e.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I need something new to read, can anyone recommend a manga or VN with delicious ぺったんこ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:28:34 2018 No.19329599 >>19329585 Have at it my dude https://vndb.org/g587

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:29:01 2018 No.19329602 >>19329558 It's a waste of time for someone who only comes across new material once every 6 months because they're so advanced. Anki is still required for all of us.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:29:11 2018 No.19329606 manga isn't reading

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:32:16 2018 No.19329637

>>19329473
Genki at first; switched to Japanese for Everyone; Tobira right now
I just don't like how none of them ever really explain how these compound verbs work: like 合う and 追う and 付く and 付ける. They just assume that they "just make sense." I get why individual verbs work the way they do, but I don't get the concept in general and how they change verbs when they attach....

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:33:41 2018 No.19329651 >>19329637 don't study, just read

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:35:09 2018 No.19329672 >>19329083 There is no discord related to the DJT Library. You are thinking of the manga site.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:36:09 2018 No.19329686 >>19329558 >falling for the botnet

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:38:13 2018 No.19329705 i want to take the n2

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:41:17 2018 No.19329738 >>19329637 >Tobira lol

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:46:14 2018 No.19329784

I'm looking at the translation of Woman in the Dunes out of curiosity and there's an error on almost every page. The guy doesn't even understand the hypothetical use of ところで and translates every usage as if it actually happened. Lots of sentences translated with the opposite meaning or the wrong subject. And this is one of the most acclaimed works of Japanese literature in the west. I'm never reading a translation of anything again.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:48:14 2018 No.19329803 File: 131 KB, 1000x1000, s-l1000[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] These have just arrived

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:50:06 2018 No.19329822 >>19329784 Could you post an example or two I'd like to laugh.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:50:15 2018 No.19329823 File: 28 KB, 508x302, fakkuuuuuuuuuu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19329672 しんじられないよ So some discord kids broke off and are making the manga archive their own little secret club? A-a-at least m-m-manga i-i-sn't r-reading ;_;

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:50:22 2018 No.19329824 >>19329784 without any examples it's more likely that you're wrong

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:51:00 2018 No.19329831 >>19329824 No, most translations are really bad. They're most likely right even if it's unfounded for them to say so.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:52:53 2018 No.19329844 >>19329784 Who cares about that book? Just watch the 前代未聞の傑作 that is the film adaptation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:53:40 2018 No.19329851 >>19329831 >No, most translations are really bad Why? And can a retard become a decent translator if he's aware of typical mistakes?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:54:16 2018 No.19329853 >>19329851 >Why? because no one actually knows japanese

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:54:30 2018 No.19329855 >>19329851 Most J->E translations are bad because they're made by people with bad Japanese, bad English writing ability, or are tampered with by whoever they're working for. Usually the first one.

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:57:31 2018 No.19329874

>>19329851
Most translators don't seem to be aware that their writing ability in the target language needs to be on par with or above the writing ability of the writer of the original work for the final result to be not only a good translation but also a good read.

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 16:59:57 2018 No.19329894

>>19329822
>>19329824
A few samples.

同僚たちに、あれほど効果のあった休暇の秘密が、あいつにだけは、無効であったりするはずがない。
Translation: "The mystery of his holiday, which would have such effect on his colleagues, would not produce any reaction from her."

いまから睡りの邪魔をしてみたところで、はじまるまい。
Translation: "He had tried to disturb her sleep, but he had failed."

男は、ののしりながら、女の手をはらいのけ、中身ごと洗面器をひっくりかえしてやりたいような衝動にかられる。
Translation: "He pushed her hands away, railing against her, carried away by an impulse to upset the washbasin and its contents."

そうとも、べつに鉄格子を破ろうなどと、無理難題をふっかけられているわけじゃない。
Translation: "There was no particular need to pose unreasonable problems, to be broken through like iron bars. "

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:00:35 2018 No.19329898 >>19329894 This sounds like it was written by an ESL with very good English, rather than a native.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:00:36 2018 No.19329899 oh look retard chat again hurdur

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:01:38 2018 No.19329908 >>19329898 https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1078285.E_Dale_Saunders Nope, they're native, they were just born forever ago, so it makes sense that their English sounds funny.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:02:32 2018 No.19329917 >>19329908 Oh they were a polyglot, that explains everything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:07:30 2018 No.19329957 >>19329894 laugh out loud you were not joking

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:07:33 2018 No.19329958

>>19329894
>>19329908
And this is a "scholar of Japanese literature" whose work is published by major imprints. Now imagine the kind of mistake you can find in amateur translations of subculture media, and imagine being an EOP who consumes those. This should be all the motivation anyone needs to study Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:07:58 2018 No.19329961 >>19329917 i mean you can get really fucking good at a couple of languages or you can put 12 languages on your resume and have 12 times the opportunity to scam monolinguals with book translations

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:11:01 2018 No.19329992 順

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:14:55 2018 No.19330012 >>19329917 How does it explain everything?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:16:03 2018 No.19330016 >>19330012 Polyglots are generally not competent enough at enough of their languages to reliably translate prose between them without introducing errors or discongruities.

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:16:33 2018 No.19330023

>>19330012
Polyglots are prototypical jack of all trades master of none. The majority of them don't really do more than memorize a bunch of set phrases and how to discuss the weather and then move onto the next language because it's about quantity over quality. They don't give a fuck about using the language, just about being able to convince monolinguals that they can.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:16:38 2018 No.19330024 >>19330012 https://www.youtube.com/user/laoshu505000/videos

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:18:55 2018 No.19330039 I noticed that pronouncing r sounds after an n is pretty challenging

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:18:56 2018 No.19330038 >>19330023 True but a polyglot from the 20s is probably going to be better than a modern "polyglot". Not good enough to translate reliably though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:20:04 2018 No.19330047 Back in the day polyglots scammed people by "translating" Akutagawa Prize winners. Nowadays they just make self-help videos and beg for patreon donations.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:20:17 2018 No.19330049 >>19330039 It is if you're pronouncing ん wrong which you probably are

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:21:21 2018 No.19330057

>>19329851
Becoming a good translator of fiction takes immense amounts of work. You need not only be an impeccable writer in your own language, you also need to be fluent in the language you are translating. Both of these take immense amounts of time to achieve individually and doubly so for learning a language like Japanese as opposed to German or something else that is closer related to your native language. As of now most people translating Japanese are neither fluent nor good writers, just people like you and me who have an interest in Japanese media. While not everyone can write on a professional level, most people can appreciate advanced writing regardless of how well they perform themselves.
Fan translator seem to lack the resources to consistently deliver good and timely translations while official translations might try to transform the work into something it is not and have people who are not the translators working on the script. Either way, even the best translation will transform the work into something different so learning the language is pretty important if you want to genuinely appreciate the original work. If you want to become a translator you'll have to realize that you either have a life's work ahead of you or deal with the fact that you will be ruining someone else's creative work for no good reason. Actually you'll probably be doing that either way, just don't translate. There is absolutely nothing to be gained from it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:25:11 2018 No.19330092 >>19330024 >mfw that one video where he struggles at basic conversation with the Japanese guy and tells him he teaches Japanese He used to impress me when I didn't know any Japanese or any of the other languages, now I see what a con man he is

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:26:27 2018 No.19330099

>>19330057
>Actually you'll probably be doing that either way, just don't translate. There is absolutely nothing to be gained from it.
this. monolinguals who legitimately think media they're interested in and they can't read would benefit from being translated to their language should just keep believing google translate will be good enough in a decade and fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:26:35 2018 No.19330100 >>19330024 his mandarin is good, would be weird if it wasn't considering he's been studying it for over a decade, but he's shit at everything else what really surprised me is that he's learning finnish for some reason, like why

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:27:12 2018 No.19330105 >>19330100 he wants to marry finnie, clearly

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:30:57 2018 No.19330136 >>19330105 he's engaged to a taiwanese woman though

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:31:28 2018 No.19330139 >>19330136 so?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:33:17 2018 No.19330154 For the record, he can't speak Finnish either

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:33:26 2018 No.19330155 >>19330139 Polygamy is illegal in the US

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:33:57 2018 No.19330158 >>19330155 He'll break up with her.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:35:36 2018 No.19330172 おはようおにいちゃんしちがつついたちなつだとおもう

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:36:31 2018 No.19330178 Should i study words in hiragana first? There are so many words I don't recognize in pure kana because I deeply tied the kanji in them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:37:08 2018 No.19330182 >>19330178 read more

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:37:47 2018 No.19330187 >>19330178 no, it's a crutch that makes you afraid of kanji and continue to put it off for weeks, months, years

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:38:28 2018 No.19330194

>>19330178
No, retard. In the first place, everyone knows that you should drop learning hiragana and katakana because it's basically the baby version of the language, and it's equivalent to learning how to read, write and speak from Tommy Pickles. Then cut straight to kanji, with the fastest way of learning the basic 3000 that you need to read a simple children's book being to print them all out and copy them by hand (pro tip: tracing them saves some time). Once you've done that, you're probably ready to practice speaking, so just go outside and use all the kanji you learned over the last 2 years (as per the above) by narrating your life as best you can out loud. Film it and review it daily to monitor your sick moon gainz. Lastly, move to Japan and teach English. Good luck, cunt.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:38:35 2018 No.19330196 >>19330155 monogamy is for chumps so that makes sense

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:39:07 2018 No.19330198 >>19330178 I'm not afraid of kanji, I did RTK like a year ago. It just that whenever I mine a word I always add it in kanji so sometimes I only remember it in pure kanji

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:39:22 2018 No.19330203 >>19330198 yeah read more

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:39:46 2018 No.19330209 >>19330198 I was like that, then I read and listened a lot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:48:33 2018 No.19330269 >>19329894 >男は、ののしりながら、女の手をはらいのけ、中身ごと洗面器をひっくりかえしてやりたいような衝動にかられる。 >Translation: "He pushed her hands away, railing against her, carried away by an impulse to upset the washbasin and its contents." Can someone please explain what's wrong with this one?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:51:57 2018 No.19330285 >>19330269 He didn't actually do it. He just wanted to.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:52:25 2018 No.19330289 >>19330269 >ような This one

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:52:42 2018 No.19330292 >>19330269 >やりたいような

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:57:08 2018 No.19330318 >>19330285 >>19330289 >>19330292 Damn. Thank you. For some reason I always interpret ような as 'type of' or something like that. I guess I made the same mistake that guy did.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 17:58:02 2018 No.19330325 >>19330318 Most likely the translator just didn't read it all, skimming the string of hiragana instead of actually verbalizing it entirely. Assuming they knew Japanese, that is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:02:18 2018 No.19330362 >>19330325 I suppose that would make sense given he is a professional. Thinking more about it, I think my issue is when ~たい comes before ような and not with ような. I guess I'll find out when I encounter it in the wild again.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:15:15 2018 No.19330430 なつにたべたいものおしえておにいちゃんおねがい

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:16:40 2018 No.19330435 File: 345 KB, 800x533, mango_con_chile.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19330430 どうぞ

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:19:03 2018 No.19330442 File: 61 KB, 1044x548, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19330430 毎日ポテチ

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:24:20 2018 No.19330463 how long have you been pretending to be learning and how much of this do you understand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HANXfea15sA

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:24:33 2018 No.19330464 >>19330435 おいしそういっこちょうだい >>19330442 ２かげつに１かいくらいたべたいときがある

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:24:39 2018 No.19330466 File: 159 KB, 700x1023, 01yamat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How good is this site really? ejje.weblio.jp Am I fucking myself over by checking every kanji that I get in memeRTK from here too?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:28:20 2018 No.19330488 >>19330466 you cant post raw tittys here dude thats a paddlin also weblio is fine as long as you use it responsibly and dont be a retart

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:28:59 2018 No.19330491 >>19330466 That's a nice image but I have a feeling we won't be seeing you for a couple days. Have a nice vacation 私の友達

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:30:56 2018 No.19330503 >>19330491 かむろとつばきとしゃれこうべであいがしゃれてる

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:31:18 2018 No.19330505 File: 967 KB, 1286x1600, 1514752965534.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19330491 Thanks, I'll actually try study some kanji and take full advantage of the ban. Have another one for my memory

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:33:19 2018 No.19330513 >>19330466 IS THAT A NIPPLE

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:33:32 2018 No.19330515 >>19330505 skip the kanji and just go straight for learnin nihongo

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:33:42 2018 No.19330516 >>19330505 このこしおとこのこしだよねへん

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:34:35 2018 No.19330518 Should i delete my sentence deck while i go through rtk or just stop adding new sentences.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:36:54 2018 No.19330531 >>19330516 我が妹よ牛乳をちゃんと飲みなさい

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:37:17 2018 No.19330533 >>19330505 >>19330518 don't study, just read

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:43:54 2018 No.19330562 >>19330531 はーいおにいちゃん

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:53:36 2018 No.19330618 What will help you learn faster, 30 minutes of anki and 3 hours of reading, or just 3 and a half hours of reading?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:54:35 2018 No.19330623 >>19330618 Depends on how much time you have to spend looking up words you've already looked up once before

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:54:37 2018 No.19330624 >>19330518 I can't imagine how annoying RTK would be if I were doing sentences at the same time, but that's up to you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:55:03 2018 No.19330626 File: 40 KB, 680x723, 16e[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19330533

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:55:04 2018 No.19330627 >>19330618 Read for 3 hours and spend 30 minutes making anki cards from the stuff you just read

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:56:05 2018 No.19330632 >>19330618 >30 minutes of anki you're better off not even doing it. Try 1 hour at the very least.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:56:46 2018 No.19330635 >>19330632 What's better, 1 hour of anki and 3 hours of reading, or 4 hours of reading?

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:56:56 2018 No.19330636

>>19330618
depends on the level you're at and what you're doing with the anki time. practicing reading individual words in kanji when you know less than 5000 is probably worth the time it cuts out of dictionary lookups. when you're more competent the benefit gradually decreases, and when you do stupider things instead of reading more it's also probably a bad idea.
either way, the important thing is don't spend more than 30 minutes on anki.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:57:24 2018 No.19330637 footage of the average djter when they realize flashcards isnt going to get them what they want https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd7N8JudKhE#t=123

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 18:58:04 2018 No.19330642 >>19330632 don't read, just study

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:06:16 2018 No.19330672 >>19330636 >guide says to use anki >thread is always full of people saying not to use anki nice...

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:06:56 2018 No.19330676

>>19330636
I know more than 5000 words. The deck is 2000 sentences from books, manga, anime, and dictionaries. But i hate learning new words like 烏滸がましい or 疚しい and not having any basis for the kanji so that's where Rtk is appealing to me. I just want to know the most efficient way. Not scared of losing 2000 cards, but wondering if i would have a better chance of powering thru rtk without another daily task (sentence reps) to do before going on to reading/watching stuff for the rest of the day

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:08:21 2018 No.19330681 >>19330676 >烏滸がましい or 疚しい and not having any basis for the kanji The basis is the word itself my dude lol, how do you think you managed to learn other words

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:10:55 2018 No.19330695 >>19330681 >all words have the same level of complexity and are not used in entirely different ways depending on context Yup, we have a PhD in linguistics here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:11:53 2018 No.19330703 >>19330672 There does seem to be a significant disconnect between the guide and the thread. Guess the guide provides options for unmotivated newfriends.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:12:45 2018 No.19330707 the guide is just the required hazing before youre allowed to actually learn nihongo

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:13:02 2018 No.19330709

>>19330681
Yeah true, but there's been this nagging feeling in the back of my head to do rtk for a while now. I dont have problems distinguishing stuff like 縁 and 緑 or whatever but theres something appealing about having most of the kanji in use burned into your memory with the ability then to write them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:13:22 2018 No.19330711 >I just want to know the most efficient way >sentences >rtk

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:14:25 2018 No.19330715 >>19330709 youre adorable

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:18:22 2018 No.19330727

>>19330676
>I just want to know the most efficient way.
everyone does and no one will, it's good to try changing things up especially if you think there's a problem but don't obsess over efficiency
i would imagine rtk wouldn't be worth the time commitment from your position unless you're interested in being able to recall kanji, and even if that's something you do want to do you can skip the useless english keyword association and just make a vocab-with-furigana cloze card for each kanji you want to practice. also 滸 isn't in rtk.

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:23:34 2018 No.19330747

>>19330709
I'm currently going through RTK too. I just got past the 500 kanji mark today. I already learnt how to read the daily use kanji by brute force (I learnt a lot of words that use them) but I was mixing some of them up or just not remembering some of them that well. Doing RTK is clearing all of that up and teaching me how to write the kanji from memory. I like writing down notes when thinking and I want to be able to do the same in Japanese.

What I really like about the method is that since you just go from English keyword to Kanji through a story, it's easy to remember how to write all those Kanji. You don't even need to write them tens of times to remember them (although if you want good looking handwriting you probably should, but it's not necessary if you just want to be able to write them). This means you spend a whole lot less time reviewing cards in Anki, which is motivating and gives you more time for other things. Good luck anon. DJT seems to have a really weird disdain for RTK but if you want to write and more easily distinguish Kanji, RTK is the fastest way to learn how.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:23:53 2018 No.19330751 y'all argue whats the most efficient way but never stop and think different ways work differently for different people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:24:30 2018 No.19330756 thats all well and good but everyone acquires language exactly the same way

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:24:53 2018 No.19330759 >>19330751 you're the guy who posts rap videos right? i am surprised you posted something so reasonable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:27:23 2018 No.19330765 >>19330751 >>19330759 same fag

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:28:23 2018 No.19330767 >>19330637 その気持ちよく分かります nice to see a fellow skater here. what does it mean when he finally gets it? is that flashcards finally paying off?

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:29:01 2018 No.19330771

>>19330695
He said "basis for the kanji" as in his problem is remembering what they look like because he can't do something like 人 + 気 from 元気 = 人気 where he draws previous knowledge to remember a new words kanji composition. He wasn't talking about having trouble remembering meanings.

>>19330709
Do radicals instead

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:29:30 2018 No.19330772 File: 20 KB, 522x458, ov.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19330765

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:30:15 2018 No.19330777 そのキムチ、よく分かります

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:30:15 2018 No.19330778 >>19330767 no dude the rail is nihongo and the fact that he interacted with it for days and days and busted his ass the fuck up is what resulted in the eventual make

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:40:04 2018 No.19330814 >>19330618 Or I can just read 3 hours and half and then spend another half an hour on anki and still keep up with people who don't do anki.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:41:21 2018 No.19330821 >>19330814 Yea but then they could always up their reading time to get comparable hours. The point is whose use of time is more efficient.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:50:59 2018 No.19330859 a few hours of "reading" and some flashcardsだけでは追いつけない

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 19:52:30 2018 No.19330869 thanks for the heads up, mattat.

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:00:46 2018 No.19330904

>>19330727
>>19330747
>>19330771
Thanks for the advice. Perhaps it's better to come up with some personal kanji study system for my own problems. Synonymous keywords and english kind of put me off of rtk, and at this point doing water -> 水 does seem kind of like a waste of time. Maybe the solution to the frustration with not having a basis for rarer kanji is to just read more and find other words that use them...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:02:47 2018 No.19330912 >>19330672 The guide was written by beginners. Source: I helped write it and I was a beginner at the time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:03:32 2018 No.19330915 read all the time and (optionally) take amphetamines

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:04:22 2018 No.19330919 replace the guide with RATTATA please >>19330915 great minds think alike

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:04:50 2018 No.19330920 >>19330915 >read all the time but what about your listening dude?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:05:00 2018 No.19330922 just learn nihongo.. plz

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:09:34 2018 No.19330948 I just listen all the time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:09:50 2018 No.19330951 まあ all the time

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:09:58 2018 No.19330953 JLPTを受ける人、頑張ってね〜大阪の辺でN2を受ける！

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:10:31 2018 No.19330955 Listening And Private Reading And Stimulants aka LAPRAS

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:12:55 2018 No.19330969 Listen And Read Please

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:13:42 2018 No.19330976 Sorry, I prefer to watch manga.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:14:11 2018 No.19330980 >>19330976 Manga is reading.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:14:19 2018 No.19330982 no you read from manga

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:18:31 2018 No.19331015 Ultimate Reading And Fuck All Gays

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:21:36 2018 No.19331028 File: 124 KB, 600x874, e7e1d746.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:24:04 2018 No.19331036 Why are they embarrassed it's just gasses haha

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:24:49 2018 No.19331039 A LL N IHONGO A LL L IFETIME

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:26:06 2018 No.19331051 File: 97 KB, 542x508, 1473401282937.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19331043 >footfag

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:26:41 2018 No.19331055 R - R E - e A - a D - d a fucking book already you baka fucking gaijin

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:27:23 2018 No.19331058 m i n n a g e n k i?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:27:50 2018 No.19331061 >>19331043 Don't fucking call me お前 you bitch.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:28:26 2018 No.19331065 really sick and tired of people posting kanji i haven't gotten to in rtk

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:29:14 2018 No.19331072 >>19331043 汝と結婚したい

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:31:41 2018 No.19331088 File: 10 KB, 400x420, 愚かな.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Literally everyone here

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:32:17 2018 No.19331092 >>19331085 classic

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:32:56 2018 No.19331096

I did my own version of AJATT to get from zero Japanese to N3 in three months. Maybe this will help DJT.

Genki 1 > Genki 2 > Tae Kim > DOBJG > Tobira.

I also finished RTK during this time and listened to Japanese audio essentially in 24/7.

In short, to make AJATT work, you want a very strong basis on basic grammar to make sentence mining easier. And of course keep Japanese audio in the background all the time, preferably audio that you’ve watched before. Once you’re good, you start getting your I+1 sentences from active listening. Sentence mine from ALL NATIVE RESOURCES. I+1 is I+1. As months and years goes on, I+1 sentences become hard to find depending on what shit you’re reading/watching. Mine from news all you want Just note, you’re not going to find I+1 sentences from it for awhile, maybe until your vocab is about 3000-4000+. But that’s okay. A lot of my first couple thousand sentences were i+2 only for vocabulary for compounds I guessed the reading myself.

Any questions about AJATT, let me know. You can easily do what I did in a year. I did it so fast because I no-lifed Japanese for 3 months.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:33:43 2018 No.19331101 >>19331088 unironically me

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:33:55 2018 No.19331104 so basically you didn't do any japanese studying at all probably a reddit repost btw

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:34:56 2018 No.19331111 >>19331088 Yep, I mined sentences from the card key at my hotel. カード・キーをオートロックに差し込むか、または通してくださいカード・キーを抜きます。ドアの？りを回します。

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:38:01 2018 No.19331130 >>19331108 manga isn't reading posters on suicide watch

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:42:31 2018 No.19331162 now this is what I call good shitposting, thank you for helping us reach the bump limit anon

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:43:21 2018 No.19331168 >>19331153 wide kanji

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:44:38 2018 No.19331177 >>19331162 The thread will just get made again though...

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:45:20 2018 No.19331183 >>19331177 DJT hasn't even started until it reaches the bump limit anon. Being on the front page attracts shitposters.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:46:06 2018 No.19331189 >>19331162 Shitposting? These images are a thousand times more on-topic than the e-celeb trash that people have been spamming here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:47:51 2018 No.19331201 >>19331180 deepest lore, if you really wanna die you just do it, 'shinitai' is just a call for help

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:49:00 2018 No.19331209 File: 487 KB, 2300x2214, 1503891119763.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19331189 ok I'll stop then since its not what jamal wants

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:50:01 2018 No.19331215 i'm not jamal, also keep posting them

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:51:34 2018 No.19331224 >>19331189 /RTK/i;boards:jp /matt/i;boards:jp /Heisig/i;boards:jp /AJATT/i;boards:jp /textbook/i;boards:jp /sentence card/;boards:jp /JLPT/;boards:jp /jamal/;boards:jp /naruto/;boards:jp /antimoon/;boards:jp This has worked well. Anything I missed?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:52:44 2018 No.19331232 >>19331189 Spamming random images with random Japanese text is not more relevant than discussing methods that have been popularized by certain e-celebs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:52:58 2018 No.19331233 >>19331224 sentence deck anki manga isn't reading >>19331232 it is

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:53:30 2018 No.19331237 >>19331232 Are you unironically defending e-celeb skill spam bullshit?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:54:42 2018 No.19331242 >>19331237 I don't think it's a good thing either but it's still more pertinent to a learning Japanese thread than random images.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:55:31 2018 No.19331251 >>19331242 Japanese has more to do with learning Japanese than whatever bullshit learning method some random crook pulls out their ass.

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:56:20 2018 No.19331258

>>19331232
>discussing
There's nothing to discuss. If you give enough of a fuck about RTK and Anki and e-celebs to constantly talk about them, you don't have enough study time (let alone knowledge of Japanese) to contribute to a Japanese learning discussion in any meaningful manner.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:56:53 2018 No.19331262 >>19331242 nah i think you've got that one wrong, even daily english thread is more on-topic than repeating empty arguments about meme learning methods

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:57:16 2018 No.19331265 >>19331251 The problem is that nobody is using those images for those purposes. They might as well not exist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:57:23 2018 No.19331268 >>19331262 yeah DET at least enlightens people to universal linguistic truths half the time it happens

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:57:54 2018 No.19331271 >>19331265 I'm reading them though. It's fun.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 20:57:58 2018 No.19331272 >>19331265 speak for yourself, i hadn't read today and now i have, fucking gains

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 21:00:03 2018 No.19331281 >>19331209 >>19331215 im jamal and what i want is for everyone to learn nihongo anything else goes dance muppets

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 21:01:40 2018 No.19331291 >>19331281 If you actually wanted that you'd try to help the poor suckers instead of deriding them constantly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 21:03:01 2018 No.19331294 >>19331291 where do i deride people that can objectively be helped

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 21:03:07 2018 No.19331295 >>19331291 not him but if you try it you'll quickly learn it doesn't work

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 21:38:31 2018 No.19331461 are na and i adjectives random and you just have to randomly remember which is which. not complaining.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 21:39:37 2018 No.19331463 there are only like three na-adjectives that look like i-adjectives

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 21:42:32 2018 No.19331470 >>19331183 that's true. only on /jp/ are people actually autistic enough to use the page view instead of the catalog

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 21:50:16 2018 No.19331510
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How do you guys deal with not wanting to learn Japanese anymore? I'm just done; I don't want this -- I've already wasted over 900 hours on fucking flashcards alone and... why? What am I doing?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 21:55:05 2018 No.19331527 >>19331510 Just give up lmao plus you use fucking anki what kind of faggot loser are you

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 21:56:34 2018 No.19331530

>>19331510
English is the lingua franca of the world so obviously there won't be as much interesting content in Japanese, like controversial blog posts from infamous physicists who comment on genetics, but surely there's something in Japanese you enjoy? Also you get to brag that you know Japanese. That's the biggest reason.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 21:57:08 2018 No.19331532 >>19331510 how can you stop learning japanese when you never started

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 21:59:46 2018 No.19331541
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Why would I want to stop? Reading manga is fun. Listening to drama cd's is fun. Watching variety shows is fun. It's a hobby that I enjoy. Sure it's a long road to get to where I want to, but I have my whole life ahead of me to do it. It's a hobby I enjoy. My only regrets are the time I've wasted when I've taken "breaks"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 21:59:51 2018 No.19331542 >>19331510 check this out >>19330637

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:01:02 2018 No.19331547

>>19331530
>Also you get to brag that you know Japanese.
To myself? You're kind though. It's been awhile since I've watched some CGDCT so maybe I need to pick one up again.
>>19331532
>
Nah, the time spent on flashcards feels like a waste which is why I brought that up -- "on fucking flashcards _alone_"
I've spent an equal amount of time listening to podcasts and ripped anime audio as well as watching manga. I just feel like I don't have time for this shit that never ends.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:02:22 2018 No.19331553 sentnce minig works for the same reason reading works. never mine vocab. that is retarded.

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:02:37 2018 No.19331555
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>>19331547
There is no ending. This language learning of the ancient language of yamato is a lifelong journey. Savor every step of the process

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:02:39 2018 No.19331556 >>19331542 Already watched it -- I was the guy who replied to it in lowercase. I need to keep my personalities separate. >>19331541 Thanks, dude. This is legit. I'll cool down and consume some easy stuff for a week or two to relax.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:05:44 2018 No.19331567 if you have time to mine sentences you should read more instead individual sentences are worth less and less the more often you see them, there is zero reason to put sentences into an SRS

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:05:58 2018 No.19331568 >>19331553 Define a sentence in the context of Japanese.

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:07:28 2018 No.19331575

Just do anki with vocab for kanji readings and get everything else through reading. Anki is the least fun part of learning japanese, but it's effective for pairing readings to characters. Besides that, I'd rather spend my time on other, more enjoyable pursuits

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:09:34 2018 No.19331583 >>19331556 if you dont want it you dont want it better to change your route now to something you want than to spend a single second more doing something you dont

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:31:12 2018 No.19331665 >>19331553 >sentnce minig works for the same reason reading works i don't think you know why reading works

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:32:50 2018 No.19331670 >>19331583 taking it easy and consuming some of the material that your progress has made easy for you is a good way to figure out if you still want it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:35:10 2018 No.19331682 if you wanna do that that is..

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:38:48 2018 No.19331701

>>19331665
you do realize it's easier to remember something if it somehow relates to something you already know right. guess what, the mined sentence can act as that base. it is supplementary to reading. i'm not saying it replaces it. you'll still need to read to get repeated exposure to multiple contexts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:40:29 2018 No.19331711 >>19331701 that's not why reading works. learn intermediate Japanese before giving learning advice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:41:35 2018 No.19331716 >>19331711 shut up dumbass. you don't know shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:41:42 2018 No.19331717 >>19331701 i'm not denying that sentence mining can have a positive effect (though i do not consider it an efficient use of your time) but saying it works for the same reason reading does is a complete misunderstanding of the value of reading

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:44:52 2018 No.19331731 >唐人の寝言

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:45:04 2018 No.19331733 女三人寄れば姦しい

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:49:57 2018 No.19331749 >>19331716 you're the one doesn't know anything here anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:52:22 2018 No.19331763 >>19331291 He doesn't want to help anyone here, by his own admission he hates all of us Thats why its just a constant stream of shitposts of monkey noise and 3dpd

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:54:55 2018 No.19331772 for those of you who prefer to hide from the truth of how shitty the place you frequent is, i offer some advice in advance add "mia" to your filters

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:56:06 2018 No.19331775 what does that do

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:56:10 2018 No.19331777 >>19331772 there's not a single instance of "mia" in this thread Also what is a mia even

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 22:58:28 2018 No.19331786 >>19331777 i said in advance, you will know eventually, i'm not here to force shit down your throat but you know that others are

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:00:20 2018 No.19331791 >>19331786 wtf I'm getting scared dude

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:02:04 2018 No.19331797 mumma mia it's time to make another elaborate work-intensive trolling project for djt

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:08:15 2018 No.19331826 mia (missing in action)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:09:28 2018 No.19331835 File: 63 KB, 877x394, mia.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:10:47 2018 No.19331837 日本の圧勝

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:10:58 2018 No.19331838 oh good he's finally going to stop naming it after a scam

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:11:50 2018 No.19331842 lmao this is like beta uprising tier oh no matt and his AJATT minions are gonna start a revolution in DJT! stop MIA now! we have to stop them!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:12:27 2018 No.19331845 I decided to start calling my approach to language learning the "Just Fucking Read Approach", as it significantly differs from all these retards' ideas on how to learn a language. Please don't be cringy about it guys. P.S. >following まあtt on Twitter

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:12:37 2018 No.19331846 >>19331838 Maybe he just realized he can make more money by creating his own scam instead of using someone else's.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:12:58 2018 No.19331847 who fuckin cares about that guy guys

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:13:31 2018 No.19331850 rm

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:14:04 2018 No.19331851 男二人と女一人寄れば嬲りまくり

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:14:33 2018 No.19331854 >>19331835 Did he name it after Missing In Action on purpose because effort and studying is nowhere to be found when you're doing his method

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:16:34 2018 No.19331861 >>19331854 no he wanted to call it mattjatt but then he came up with a brilliant idea where he doesn't look so self-important as to officially put his name in it and yet his followers will for him

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:16:50 2018 No.19331864 dont be cringy guys

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:18:06 2018 No.19331871 Has anyone tweeted matt about how retarded his idea is cause I'm about to do that no joke

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:18:29 2018 No.19331873 even tkyosam is better than matt

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:20:03 2018 No.19331877 >>19331835 omg Matt just made mattposting 10x better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:23:50 2018 No.19331884 seriously though why does Japan attract so many cringy fucks I think I'm just gonna obsess on chinese culture from now on, I heard they got some good cultural revolutions and martial arts

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:25:29 2018 No.19331890 >>19331884 china kinda rules the world dude you better learn chinese and fast cause everyones gonna be speaking it soon

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:26:59 2018 No.19331899 what's it like to choose your hobbies based on how cool other people interested in them are

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:28:02 2018 No.19331903 ive personally found that everything i do i end up being the trend setter and not the trend follower ftw

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:28:29 2018 No.19331905 before i answer that i have to ask if my peepee is considered a person cause this thing has a mind of its own i tell ya

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:29:29 2018 No.19331909 Wtf there's two jamals

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:30:14 2018 No.19331910 will the real jamal please tattekudasai

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:30:15 2018 No.19331911 where have you been i have like a lil handful of mini mes itt

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:31:14 2018 No.19331916 no you dont its actually just me lol no lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:33:10 2018 No.19331924 there was also me but then i found my own way as lowercase poster and we all grew from it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:35:20 2018 No.19331932 if you think about it my anklebiters are like little matts they try to bite off the good shit but they never quite make it theirs

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:35:26 2018 No.19331934 Hopefully someone releases an MIA outline/guide and we can add it to the DJT guide.

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:38:01 2018 No.19331950
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>>19331835
Judging by screenshots and comments from his cult followers it seems like piss jug may have come to the conclusion that Anki is a waste of time and that might be part of the MIA shit. So DJT was right and he was wrong the whole time?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:39:37 2018 No.19331962 >>19331950 Nah I'm sure it's all part of his scheme to make his own Anki clone and peddle that for a fee

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:42:30 2018 No.19331980 >>19331950 im pretty sure hes just seen me saying how gay flashcards are and has finally decided to adopt it into his epic doctrine

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:43:18 2018 No.19331983 >>19331962 Oh, like Adam?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:44:22 2018 No.19331989 >>19331846 Never been interested in Matt's method, but isn't the tldr "watch as much raws as possible"? How is he making any money of that?

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:47:04 2018 No.19332004

>>19331989
he parrots shit that he cobbled together from all over the internet in a consistent voice that comes off as very up his own ass and because he blabbed some nonsense passed off as "reading" muramasa people listen to him because to the unknowing he sounds convincing

its like if you see the translated version of this and are completely oblivious to the original >>19330269

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:47:28 2018 No.19332008 >>19331989 he posts videos on his patreon vlogging and shit or something he makes like 2,000 dollas out of it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:47:40 2018 No.19332011 >>19331989 he tells you to do it during rtk while avoiding a grammar book and learning to meditate for 4 months, and also that when you're not watching raws you should listen to raws you've watched on repeat in the background 24/7

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:49:43 2018 No.19332020 im gonna laugh when khatz rolls up for his piece of matts action https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QKPi-FvPNM#t=28

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:50:08 2018 No.19332027

>>19331989
That's pretty much the point, though. He presents himself as an authority and an innovator even though his Japanese is far from perfect and the idea of acquiring a language through a large amount of input has been around forever, and has a patreon where he charges people for things like the right to join his discord server, monthly skype chats with him and exclusive videos.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:50:47 2018 No.19332032 all 2000 dollars of it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:51:45 2018 No.19332037 >>19332020 Wtf is that dislike ratio

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:52:34 2018 No.19332039 >>19332037 fuckin finally i posted this vid like a dozen times and youre the first person to notice now heres your nihongo homework figure out why

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:53:55 2018 No.19332047 >>19332039 uuuh idk he had a disagreement with some rapper or something

Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:55:45 2018 No.19332057

>>19332047
this is homework not a fill in the blank

gonna need at least like a paragraph here with some specifics

dont even post it here do it for yourself to prove your time spent learning nihongo isnt a waste of time and a sham and that you can actually accomplish something

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:56:40 2018 No.19332061 i prefer reading assignments to research assignments

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:57:21 2018 No.19332067 but djt loves google and researching its absolutely their kinda shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:58:47 2018 No.19332071 File: 955 KB, 937x581, yogapants.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Holy fuck. This is seems like exactly what I needed to read at this point in my life. Is my 守護霊 trying to tell me something?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 30 23:59:29 2018 No.19332073 >>19332057 that's what I got from skimming the comments nonetheless I could be reading shit that actually interests me instead of wasting my time with that dumb stuff

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:00:13 2018 No.19332078 >>19332073 you can post the cop out and pretend youre doing better shit i dont really care its all about you dude

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:00:56 2018 No.19332085 >>19332071 if you needed twitter to tell you that you don't have to use anki when you're fluent i don't know what to tell you brother you might not make it

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:01:25 2018 No.19332089 >>19332071 Here's some more stuff you may like https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=lp_283155_nr_n_27?fst=as%3Aoff&rh=n%3A283155%2Cn%3A%211000%2Cn%3A4736&bbn=1000&ie=UTF8&qid=1530417646&rnid=1000

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:02:22 2018 No.19332094 >>19332071 Too long didn't read

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:02:58 2018 No.19332098 >>19332094 don't worry i summarized it for you my man

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:03:53 2018 No.19332105 File: 499 KB, 937x581, tldr ftl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19332071

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:04:48 2018 No.19332107 >>19332105 use multiply next time

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:05:41 2018 No.19332113 >>19332107 im gona do whatever i want when i want biotch

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:06:45 2018 No.19332119 >>19332085 how do you know when you're fluent? how do you know when you can drop anki? pls

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:07:38 2018 No.19332122 >>19332119 that sounds like a question you should ask matt

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:08:22 2018 No.19332126 >>19332119 考えるな感じろ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:09:25 2018 No.19332133 >>19332122 i trust jamal more than matt. >>19332126 i can't feel.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:11:26 2018 No.19332144 >>19332133 Jamal and matt are the same shit, neither of them know Japanese

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:11:37 2018 No.19332145 >>19332133 don't study, just read

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:12:50 2018 No.19332148 >>19332133 こころを澄まして感じるんだ必ず答えが見つかるさ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:15:40 2018 No.19332152 >>19332133 dont trust matt dont trust me trust yourself because thats the one thats gonna decide whether or not you learn nihongo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH3DilJm63U#t=154

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:33:10 2018 No.19332204 2k a month is still poverty level. Isn't dogen pulling in like 6k+ on his patreon?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:33:40 2018 No.19332207 Don't trust anything Matt says post-patreon. He is distancing himself from the AJATT method that got him to the level he is at now so he can have fame and patreon money. The self-important prick.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:34:54 2018 No.19332210 Ya, 2k/month is pathetic. Imagine getting payed only 24k/year to release 1 video per week and talk to some people on Discord.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:36:26 2018 No.19332219 i should make a patreon to get some extra beer money i can just tell people to fork over some dough and ill make you believe youre learning nihongoh

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:37:39 2018 No.19332222

I'm tired of anki and I want to read more, but I only know around 2000 words and the words that I don't review in anki it seems I can look up twenty times and still have no clue what they are the next time I see them. How does anyone skipping anki stay motivated?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:38:26 2018 No.19332228 >>19332222 that's why you keep doing anki

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:38:31 2018 No.19332229 >>19332222 By not needing anki anymore.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:39:26 2018 No.19332230 >>19332204 isn't dogen at least three times as competent and at least 67% less of a manchild (i don't watch dogen so i could be wrong)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:40:12 2018 No.19332234 >>19332230 idk i don't follow any of these ecelebs

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:45:11 2018 No.19332252

>>19332222
Your vocab is still to low for novels so I recommend you read manga. Continue looking up words, if they are common enough you will see them often enough to the point where you can't not know them. The problem is you don't know what is common and what is rare. Anki makes it more efficient to learn large amounts of vocabulary but you can still learn by just doing dictionary lookups in stuff you're reading. Also the more you learn japanese the easier it becomes to remember new words so just keep at it. The beginner stage is pretty cruel, as for motivation you either want to learn japanese or you don't... Most people don't

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:46:31 2018 No.19332257 File: 356 KB, 549x630, 9d910ac9.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19331215 one more

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:51:30 2018 No.19332275 File: 69 KB, 577x421, 2040702c81a943b889e13e463b9b21b7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >2222

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:54:19 2018 No.19332287

>>19332204
dogen actually teaches somewhat original and useful shit whereas matt gets 2000 fucking dollars for saying "lol guys did u know that if you have to use language a lot u will get gud at it???!?" over and over again
I honestly don't think matt's followers give him money because of his content but because they want someone to worship as their nihongo god

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>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:57:23 2018 No.19332303 worship..nihongo god..rubs hands together

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:57:48 2018 No.19332305 >>19332300 fak

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:58:25 2018 No.19332307 >>19328987 What?

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 00:58:46 2018 No.19332308

>>19332257
>when an enemy is spotted, shine your search light on dat bitch and then when you realize that they is your ally, kill them
am i close? how are you supposed to learn the correct interpretation just by reading? do i need to slide matt some dosh for him to confirm?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 01:00:05 2018 No.19332313 I heard people saying you should stop core after 2k, is that a good idea? and before you calling me an anki drone I'm doing 4 hours of study everyday of which 1 hour is only anki (atm 1k cards in)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 01:00:11 2018 No.19332315 just give me all of your money for free

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 01:07:14 2018 No.19332334

>>19332313
Stop whenever you want. You can stop at 2K and try mining for awhile. If you don't like mining then just go back and continue the Core deck for awhile. As long as you are learning new words, it doesn't really matter where you are getting them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 01:11:58 2018 No.19332347 >>19332300 >>19332305 Based Steve would rather read histories of the warring states period than moe moe kyun garbage

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 01:16:55 2018 No.19332365 >>19332300 What did Steve mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 01:17:54 2018 No.19332368 >>19332313 Depends on you. You will learn the other 4k eventually, just depends on whether you like learning words out of context like in a premade anki deck.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 01:23:24 2018 No.19332393 >>19332368 that's the thing, I always feel like i do mining wrong because I have no clue if the word i just mined is just some off chance word that I probably won't ever see again. Also having audio at this early stage is pretty nice.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 01:24:26 2018 No.19332400 >>19332393 you do mining wrong if you wonder if you will see the word again, don't mine every word you see the first time you see it

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 01:26:37 2018 No.19332407 >>19332308 Look up 知らせる

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 01:28:50 2018 No.19332414 >>19332393 What i did was read a lot and only put stuff i saw multiple times into anki.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 01:34:39 2018 No.19332441 >>19332407 That wasn't necessarily my problem. My problem was not thinking of 照らし as modifying 味方. Also, why doesn't my IME give 探照灯 as an option for たんしょうとう?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 01:39:35 2018 No.19332458 >>19332441 reading your translation it's clear you don't know what 知らせる means

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 01:48:00 2018 No.19332489 >>19332441 ぷーくすくすつぼはいった

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 01:51:11 2018 No.19332500 >>19332458 No, I didn't realize that 知らせ was the command form (grammar terms be damned) of 知らす >>19332489 >ツボに入っちゃった勉強になりましたありがとう妹ちゃん

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 02:06:39 2018 No.19332571 >>19332500 It's not 知らす

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 02:09:22 2018 No.19332586 File: 208 KB, 629x414, 8.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://my.mixtape.moe/zvdvjt.webm Can someone explain the specifics of this せし to me? I'm not sure I got it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 02:14:56 2018 No.19332603 >>19332586 ちゅうにこうまぞくですから

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 02:36:06 2018 No.19332674 File: 22 KB, 288x380, 20101029_1459932.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You will never learn Japanese

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 02:44:22 2018 No.19332697 File: 124 KB, 348x201, 678456.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19332674

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 02:53:59 2018 No.19332726 File: 13 KB, 452x472, wakanai.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19332571 もっと詳しく説明してくれない？、先輩＞【知らす】〔下二段動詞「知らす」の四段化〕他の知るようにする。知らせる。「要人の死を当面－・さずにおく」

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 02:58:58 2018 No.19332741 who the fuck is yogapantu?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 03:02:17 2018 No.19332752 File: 143 KB, 322x389, 465745776.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19332726

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 03:03:03 2018 No.19332754 >>19332586 Is it just するし?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 03:07:28 2018 No.19332770 >>19332752 えっ？本当に分かりません；＿；馬鹿にするな

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 03:11:32 2018 No.19332783 >>19332726 敵を発見したら、探照灯で照らして、味方に知らせて、そして殺す。

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 03:11:45 2018 No.19332785 >>19332726 ふらんすごみたいになってるのーん

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 03:18:19 2018 No.19332806 >>19332783 ありがとうでも、どうして「知らせ」が書いた？(>>19332257)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 03:19:58 2018 No.19332811 File: 346 KB, 418x504, neba gibu uppu.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 03:20:34 2018 No.19332814 >>19332806 It’s just how you link stuff together in the written language

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 03:22:10 2018 No.19332818 >>19332811 諦めない！ >>19332814 I get that て is how you link shit and >>19332783 makes sense, but it was left off in the image which is what is confusing me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 03:25:12 2018 No.19332828 >>19332814 >>19332818 Now I'm having vague memories of a grammar article that I read maybe a year ago... got it. I'll find it. Thanks again.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 03:26:14 2018 No.19332834 >>19332828 Wait. She was talking though -- that's dialogue. Fuck it. I'm going to sleep.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 03:26:43 2018 No.19332839 File: 28 KB, 351x499, 51hHSyRQkUL._SX349_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19332806 しらせ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 03:29:20 2018 No.19332843 >>19332834 It’s written though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 03:29:31 2018 No.19332844 File: 279 KB, 606x510, marumaru.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19332834

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 05:00:00 2018 No.19333057
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Hey guys, I just started to read Kino no Tabi, so I set up Yomichan with AnkiConnect for it. However, even after reading the documentation, I couldn't really figure out how should I set things up in the Anki options part.

Right now, this is my setting which let's me add some words for my deck, but not others. The deck is empty, so duplicates aren't the problem. Could anyone share their yomichan configuration?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 05:09:39 2018 No.19333083 >>19333057 did you try restarting both and trying again?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 06:00:39 2018 No.19333209 >>19333083 I did. It didn't help unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 06:29:44 2018 No.19333289 >>19333209 my settings are not so different than yours, however those fields do look like a pre-made deck, so are you sure its not hitting a duplicate?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 06:42:12 2018 No.19333339 日本語

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 06:44:13 2018 No.19333351 >>19333289 Okay, so turns out it was my other deck which contained some of the words, and caused the problem. I exported and deleted it, since I don't plan to continue it in the near future and this was the easiest solution. Thanks for the answers!

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 06:47:26 2018 No.19333365

>>19332287
You do realize most language learners don't actually know this, or that they know this but lie to themselves or are lied to by retards like Benny that they need to output from day one and hire a teacher? Some recommend memorizing textbooks like Genki and going to classrooms. Matt's advice might be obvious as fuck to us but it has its place.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 07:05:14 2018 No.19333435 人はパンだけで生きるのではない

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 07:07:32 2018 No.19333448 >>19333435 なんで

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 07:25:54 2018 No.19333517 >>19331541 >>19332252 Manga izn't reading though. >>19332586 す未然形 = せ and then you slap that 助動詞き on there which turns into し

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 07:47:44 2018 No.19333603 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTHpHmjywDU >when you're so hung up on advancing like a speed runner that you waste over 10 minutes in your speed run on a section that would probably take less than two minutes in normal play

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 08:06:38 2018 No.19333653 File: 172 KB, 660x509, 1387021190352.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What is written on the tombstone

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 08:09:15 2018 No.19333658 >>19333653 "wat"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 08:09:30 2018 No.19333659 >>19333653 MARTIN FROBESE 1836 - 1920 ----- ANNIE R. FROBESE 1844 - 1922

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 08:09:33 2018 No.19333660 撲殺の時間でしょう

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 08:10:18 2018 No.19333664 File: 649 KB, 954x537, 1519627266399.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19333659

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 08:12:16 2018 No.19333678 >>19333653 His famous last words

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 08:13:04 2018 No.19333684 File: 162 KB, 560x555, 1374796030634.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19333678 the whole thing wouldn't fit

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 08:13:42 2018 No.19333686 File: 69 KB, 558x799, 226aee94.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19333435 >>19333448 ごはん！

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 08:13:46 2018 No.19333687 >>19333653 It sure was nice of the heroes to give the villain of the week his own grave.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 08:16:03 2018 No.19333696 >>19333686 lions can't eat gohan

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 08:16:26 2018 No.19333697 File: 244 KB, 600x600, 64752464_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19333686

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 08:17:23 2018 No.19333703 >wake up 2 hours early and miss all sorts of cards that should be remembered Neck me

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 09:13:32 2018 No.19333851 >want to start RTK >don't want to cut down on new words per day is it doable to maintain normal pace for vocab and RTK?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 09:16:00 2018 No.19333863 >>19333851 good luck not wanting to die having to spend hours on two decks

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 09:22:59 2018 No.19333903 >>19333863 Eh I guess I'll do it when I'm fluent like Matt did

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 09:27:51 2018 No.19333921 File: 481 KB, 344x844, 67567.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19333851 >want to start RTK

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 09:33:27 2018 No.19333942 Too many people spend months or even years reading and they still fuck up different kanji because they didn't do RTK.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 09:39:55 2018 No.19333985 >>19333942 I didn't do RTK, and I either know the word or I don't. Your little fixation on their orthography is kinda amusing though

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 09:40:58 2018 No.19333996 >>19333985 >I Don't care. You're one person.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 09:50:16 2018 No.19334048 >>19333996 Okay, please cite >spend months or even years reading and they still fuck up different kanji because they didn't do RTK. then, and show that RTK helps.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 09:51:47 2018 No.19334060 >>19333517 manga isn't reading? Then what are those little pictures in the speech bubbles? Modern art?

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 09:56:42 2018 No.19334091

>>19334048
>cite
Can't. That's just what I've observed from randos on here and elsewhere.
>and show that RTK helps
Uh you do realize the whole point of RTK is that you can write kanji from memory. To do that you have to be able to distinguish similar kanji. You can distinguish them via mnemonics with words composed of unique keywords assigned to various components.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 09:57:25 2018 No.19334095 >>19334091 Provide citations, not assertions.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:01:04 2018 No.19334114 >>19334095 Provide citations, not personal testimony.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:01:39 2018 No.19334116 >>19334114 I never provided a personal testimony. I'm pretty sure you're confusing me with someone else.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:01:54 2018 No.19334118 File: 25 KB, 400x372, topbrainz.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Valeant benefici Poenas dent malefici!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:02:10 2018 No.19334120 >>19334114 Okay, so you don't have any citations that what you're saying isn't just random schizophrenic garbage. Cool.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:03:34 2018 No.19334128 >>19334116 You did. >>19334120 This is a silly tactic of bar raising that nobody asserting anything about language learning in this thread could reach. Nice stop gap attempt you retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:04:00 2018 No.19334132 >>19334128 >You did. I didn't. Again, you're confusing me with someone else.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:04:32 2018 No.19334137 >>19334128 No, I'm sure it's easy to find citations for what you're asserting, you're just choosing not to do so for some reason, probably because you're dishonest.

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:07:59 2018 No.19334166

>>19334132
Then pretend as if that is addressed toward the guy who talked about his own experience with knowing words.
>>19334137
>easy
Well not really because I'd have to go back through archives to find those posts which is annoying and pointless for such an ordinary claim. If you're asking for an academic reference on fucking RTK then that's an even more absurd request.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:08:52 2018 No.19334170 >>19334166 I'm sorry that you insist on getting your panties in a knot arguing about a topic you have an incredibly narrow view on, anon.

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:10:31 2018 No.19334178
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>>19333517
Thanks, I think most of the time it's various forms of す and attachments. Is there anywaywhere I can read up on it and possibly other 古語？ Pereferably in English as I have trouble getting precise understanding from Japanese grammar resources.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:10:54 2018 No.19334180 >>19334170 ? You just demanded something retarded and pointless and I called you on it. I don't even know why you responded to me considering you don't even understand RTK.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:11:41 2018 No.19334185 >>19334180 RTK isn't special dude. You have to get out of your bubble.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:13:15 2018 No.19334199 >>19334185 Sure it's not "special". DJT dislikes RTK so I'm definitely outside whatever bubble you're implying exists.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:15:38 2018 No.19334207 djt also dislikes learning nihongo thats why they do everything but that

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:22:16 2018 No.19334236 次は僕がオマンコを使う番だよぉ～～

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:23:52 2018 No.19334247 >>19334236 >僕

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:28:07 2018 No.19334267 >>19334166 >If you're asking for an academic reference on fucking RTK then that's an even more absurd request. yeah no one has ever written a paper on the efficacy of approaches to learning kanji/hanzi before compadre

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:28:37 2018 No.19334272 >>19334207 Only because it's literally impossible to learn Japanese. Shitposting about it is the next best thing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:29:30 2018 No.19334277 >>19334267 Fetch me the one that's been written on RTK compadre.

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:32:54 2018 No.19334292

>>19334277
i specifically didn't say "rtk" for a reason my dude, heisig isn't special and it would be very unprofessional for an academic to pretend that he is, that doesn't mean that the method hasn't ever been looked at
by the way the burden of proof is on the person making claims, i've claimed nothing

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:34:50 2018 No.19334307 File: 2.54 MB, 1704x2584, 15.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] X desu

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:35:38 2018 No.19334309 >>19334292 >heisig isn't special Proof? Citation? Burden of proof is on the person making claims. >by the way the burden of proof is on the person making claims Burden of proof isn't on anyone. It's an imaginary standard, a nicety.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:38:11 2018 No.19334321 >>19334178 I don't know about english stuff but this guy's cool as hell https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLs2AkQ_ZoSUHo02tDTX0W4Ia0jwRXpwyQ or google whatever you want

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:38:38 2018 No.19334326 >>19334309 truly next level debate, sasuga rtk

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:40:39 2018 No.19334336 >>19334326 Feels nice throwing your stop gap back in your hypocritical face in a casual thread.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:42:19 2018 No.19334342 >>19334336 nothing hypocritical about putting in the same effort as you brother

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 10:48:09 2018 No.19334371 >>19334321 not him but thank

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 11:04:26 2018 No.19334456 How would you parse this sentence? 問題はどこかあててみよう Is it "Let's try to guess where a/the problem is", or "Let's try to solve a problem somewhere", or something else entirely?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 11:12:47 2018 No.19334509 Today, I read my second graded reader story from cover to cover. We're all going to make it!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 11:15:29 2018 No.19334532 >>19334456 lets figure out where it all went wrong

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 11:15:47 2018 No.19334533 >>19334509 what's that, 15 minutes at your level? read more

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 11:20:31 2018 No.19334569
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I'm (finally I guess) stuck in this hell where I can watch most anime with Japanese subs and read most (not too complicated) manga and VNs with occasional visits to the dictionary, but the progress basically stopped there.

Not that I expect any advice, I know I should just listen/read more and maybe get some actual grammar books instead of just googling unknown grammar, but listening especially still feels like fucking impossible hell that I'll never be able to overcome.

"You cannot learn Japanese" feeling really starts to sink in.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 11:21:53 2018 No.19334580 >>19334456 standard gaijin mistake is to try and force "lets" into that very simply its "guess where the issue is"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 11:22:55 2018 No.19334588 also you shouldnt be "parsing" in english because you will suck forever "parse" it in nihongo k and thx

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 11:26:33 2018 No.19334624 >>19334569 >listening especially still feels like fucking impossible hell that I'll never be able to overcome. if you can understand it with subs then all you have to do is listen without subs for many hours with your attention on it

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 11:35:14 2018 No.19334707 >>19330057 >There is absolutely nothing to be gained from it. Except for Internet cred and the worship of the monolinguals who are pathetically grateful you produced a half-assed translation of something they wanted to read.

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 11:36:55 2018 No.19334723

>>19334569
Aren't you overestimating yourself? I think it's easy to dupe yourself into thinking you are better than you really are using VNs and subtitled anime.

Of course I'm not sure if this applies to you, but I think there is a big gap between being able to pass a word in Anki by remembering it's meaning and reading and actually being able to recognize it in the wild. Maybe people assume they should be better than they really are merely because they have a high word count but what is more important is building up the ability to actually recognize and understand it without really thinking about it, intuitive understanding if you know what I mean. I feel like this has improved a lot for me when I started doing more intricate flashcards with audio and screenshots from the place I mine the words from. Listening has been getting easier pretty much accordingly to the rate I am learning words since but everyone has to find their own way of doing things, maybe you should just increase the input you are getting and read more. Maybe that makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 11:45:13 2018 No.19334778 >>19334569 Well, people meme on MIA but there's a reason they tell you to actively listen to hours of audio every day for the duration of your learning, with some passive listening (to content you actively listened to) thrown on top.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 11:52:14 2018 No.19334824 I thought the other anon was joking when he said to filter MIA. Thanks for reminding me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 11:56:46 2018 No.19334848 >>19334824 you're welcome

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 12:23:38 2018 No.19335032 Has the Firefox Clipboard paste plugin been ported to Chrome?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 12:34:24 2018 No.19335085 I want to try my wings without anki but if I fly too close to the sun and drop like a rock but then I'd have 7000 reviews with 40% retention ahead of me

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 12:39:49 2018 No.19335128

Fact of the matter is if you are even a fair bit advanced you should easily be able to decide for yourself if you (still) need Anki.

If you're feeling frustrated about your lack of comprehension and think jumping on the newest bandwagon will help you, then you are probably too stupid to learn Japanese anyway. You are just shooting yourself in the foot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 12:40:31 2018 No.19335131 i don't really see how it's impossible to fail by not using anki. do people really think that reading isn't the ultimate driver behind improvement?

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 12:58:46 2018 No.19335244

>>19335128
it's not about the bandwagon, I think I would read more without anki. Reading is objectively more important for learning a language than anki. I barely read at all because I don't want to read before I do my anki because the later I do my reps the more tired I get etc. and when I do my reps I keep stressing out about what words I'm going to make cards for instead of just relaxing and reading

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 13:03:20 2018 No.19335274

>>19335131
You have 4 negatives in that first sentence so I'm not sure I even understand.
Are you sure you didn't mean to say "possible" instead of "impossible"?
>i don't really see how it's impossible to fail by not using anki
>i don't really see how it's impossible to fail by only reading

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 13:09:14 2018 No.19335317 >>19335274 yea i meant "possible".

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 13:09:21 2018 No.19335321

>>19335244
i'm with you there. aside from the time trade-off and distraction from reading, reps can be draining and definitely decrease my total time committed to japanese in a day. but i also find it frustrating when a word i'm not reviewing in anki isn't sticking, so i have a hard time making that decision myself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 13:34:55 2018 No.19335457 >>19331156 Can someone hang me, because I can’t learn Japanese?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 13:52:58 2018 No.19335547 Off the top of their head, does anyone know if 灰と幻想のグリムガル is in any of the resources. I really don't mind paying for it if not but I feel like it's the kind of book that would probably be in the CoR and I think I'm just being retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 13:56:04 2018 No.19335564 >>19335547 I don't know. I could check for you, but then it wouldn't be off the top of my head. Hope this helps.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:01:36 2018 No.19335586 >>19335547 I don't know, and I can't check for you because I don't know any Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:04:46 2018 No.19335600 >>19335564 >>19335586 Ta luvs

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:08:53 2018 No.19335627 How do you delete someone else's post?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:15:04 2018 No.19335662 Is there an optimized list of KLC/RTK based on kanji popularity? Actually sorting by grade would be cool too. I mean do you really need to know all 2300 when probably half is like used for one word?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:16:09 2018 No.19335669 >>19335662 >I mean do you really need to know all 2300 Yes, plus another few hundred.

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:17:11 2018 No.19335676

>>19335662
You need to "know" something like 2500~3000 kanji to be literate in Japanese, but this indeed does not mean that you need to intentionally study them. Past the 500 or 1000 most common kanji it does indeed stop making sense to drill them in isolation. For very many reasons.

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:17:25 2018 No.19335679

>>19335131
>>19335317
I actually can't do either. When I read it never feels like enough for things to stick, and anki reps tend to grow out of hand.
I've gone back and forth between the different methods several times until I finally just said fuck it and decided to do it my own way. So now I just dynamically control the rate of new cards introduced to anki, setting it to 0 when the reps get too high and increasing it when it goes down to a more reasonable amount. And that frees up a lot of time for me to do more reading too.
I really think all I've done is cut out the fat from anki by doing it that way. Maybe it just takes longer for shit to sink in for me or something, but it always kind of felt like bullshit to move on to new cards before the new ones from yesterday even managed to sink in just a little bit, and I think all that ends up happening is you waste a tremendous amount of time just to barely "familiarize" yourself with something new. I don't think that's the best way to do it.

I'm happy with the way I'm doing it now. I'm sure there's some memory research that'll show my why it's wrong to do it the way I'm doing but I don't care, they can shove that research up their ass. If I don't do it this way I'll never learn, so it works for me.

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:19:34 2018 No.19335689

>>19335676
Yeah, I think I need to rephrase a bit. I was going to study them all anyway, but since I'm not doing this in isolation I want to get the most value of my studying right away so studying the popular ones first makes more sense to me ( for raw reading and stuff)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:20:43 2018 No.19335694 >>19335689 That makes sense. I can make a frequency list for you. Do you want it from kanji-in-text or kanji-in-unique-words? The former will be unbalanced in favor of kanji that appear in common words.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:21:56 2018 No.19335703 >>19335679 >>19335321 I think I'm just going to halt new anki words, read more and start doing RTK and when I'm done with RTK I'll decide whether I want to go back to being an ankidrone.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:24:31 2018 No.19335718 >>19335694 the latter would be better, thanks a lot anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:25:36 2018 No.19335725 File: 100 KB, 1080x1920, Screenshot_20180701-122441.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Tomorrow I'll be a free man

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:32:57 2018 No.19335762 Why is djt so tsun for matt? Reddit hates him so you should all love him no?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:37:29 2018 No.19335787 >>19335718 https://pastebin.com/raw/uy4n01by I did my best to keep it clean.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:38:50 2018 No.19335798 >>19335762 reddit hates him because they hate anybody who puts in more than one hour a day of effort

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:43:18 2018 No.19335826 >山羊の歌 >悪の華 >ヴェルレ >ヌ詩集 >地獄の季節 >恐るべき子供たち >美徳の不幸 >悪徳の栄え >花のノートルダム >月に吠える If you did not read any of these books - you don't know Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:45:32 2018 No.19335838 >>19335826 >悪の華 Phew, I'm safe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:46:27 2018 No.19335847 >>19335787 That's fantastic anon, thanks a lot!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:47:02 2018 No.19335853 Nice thinly veiled blog post

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:50:41 2018 No.19335876 >>19335798 >they hate anybody who puts in more than one hour a day of effort I think that's true and I don't get why.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:51:03 2018 No.19335883 >>19335826 why

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:51:17 2018 No.19335887 >>19335876 Too many people brainwashed by academic language instruction.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:56:39 2018 No.19335912 >>19335725 how many fucking cards did you delete and how many hours did you put into deciding which ones to keep instead of just fucking dropping core and mining by the way you're not free with 1200 young+learn

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:57:05 2018 No.19335915 >>19335762 I thought reddit was supposed to love him though All of his patreon backers are redditors

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:57:52 2018 No.19335919 >>19335912 The moment you stop adding cards reviews drop off on a power law curve (1/x).

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:57:52 2018 No.19335921 What is wrong with this sentence except for the obvious part? >ポーランドは最高の国、けど人達がクソやろ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:58:21 2018 No.19335923 >>19335876 They want to believe that putting in the bare minimum of effort is the best and most efficient way to go to justify being dekinai shitters.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 14:59:21 2018 No.19335930 >>19335921 、 is in the wrong place the wrong word is being used for "people" やろ should be 野郎 (やろう) the last が should be a は

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:00:28 2018 No.19335937 >>19335930 You don't know Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:01:31 2018 No.19335945 >>19335937 i know enough to identify problems caused by people forcing production as a sub-n3

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:01:47 2018 No.19335946 >>19335915 no they're ex-redditors and that's why they're creating a pay-to-learn-japanese discord for red-pilled perapera gaijin please don't be cringy

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:02:14 2018 No.19335952 >>19335937 What's wrong with those corrections? They seem like obvious mistakes to me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:02:21 2018 No.19335954 >>19335826 You don't even know English.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:03:11 2018 No.19335957 >>19335921 A lot.

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:04:43 2018 No.19335965

>>19335945
You're a sub-n3 yourself. Stop trying to give advice and go learn some more Japanese, boy.
>>19335952
There's nothing wrong with the comma, that is indeed the right word for "people", やろ is a real word but sub-n3-kun wasn't able to detect it as one since he has the vocabulary of a 3 year old. Only his last correction is true, が should be は. Also, he forgot to point out the けど which should be だけど.

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:06:42 2018 No.19335978

>>19335965
>There's nothing wrong with the comma
Yes there is.
>やろ is a real word
クソやろ means "fucker", not クソ+やろう(だろう).
>Also, he forgot to point out the けど which should be だけど.
That's not true. You can absolutely drop だ before けど in a lot of cases. You don't know Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:07:13 2018 No.19335981 >>19335965 you don't know japanese

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:07:50 2018 No.19335986 >>19335965 >the けど which should be だけど the actual state of people who learn from textbooks you're from reddit trying to feel better about djt shitting on reddit aren't you

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:07:50 2018 No.19335987 >>19335965 you don't know japanese

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:08:29 2018 No.19335991 File: 3.63 MB, 4032x3024, 3E41ECA5-FFBF-435A-98B7-ECD2D89D1526.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What does って mean directly after I’m name like in picrelated. inb4 you can’t learn Japanese

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:08:44 2018 No.19335993 For the record けど should only used on the start of the sentence without だ if there is a verb before it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:09:17 2018 No.19336002 >>19335993 This is not true. It's absolutely normal to follow a noun directly with けど.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:09:48 2018 No.19336005 >>19335993 Also that's not the start of a sentence. It's a dependent conjunction, not an interjection.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:10:40 2018 No.19336009 >>19335993 i can't tell what you're saying but it's totally okay to start a sentence with either だけど or けど the only thing you really can't do is attach だけど to verb

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:11:03 2018 No.19336012 >>19335991 This is covered by any basic grammar resource. Same as the quoting particle と.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:11:30 2018 No.19336017 >>19335991 that's not "i'm name", that's basically "name is what i'm called" with the standard quoting って

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:11:37 2018 No.19336018 >>19335919 I don't know how the android version of Anki shows stats, but that looks like it is showing "Card Types" and it looks like the total is 2358 Mature + 1167 Young+Learn + 20 Unseen = 3545.

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:12:02 2018 No.19336020

>>19335986
>the actual state of people who learn from textbooks
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/
>だけど
>Signals that the thing that will be stated next is the opposite of what could be expected from the thing previously stated. Not usually used in formal writing. Also not used in the middle of a sentence.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:12:45 2018 No.19336025 >>19336020 i can't tell what you're trying to convey here

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:12:58 2018 No.19336027 Battle of the N3s round 69420

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:13:18 2018 No.19336030 >>19336020 i think what you just quoted disagrees with what you're trying to argue so try reading it or clarify what you're saying

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:14:43 2018 No.19336035 by the way, just a side note, using grammar dictionaries to grade or guide the correctness of casual speech is a spectacularly bad idea

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:15:23 2018 No.19336038 >>19336025 >>19336030 The textbook agrees with だけど not being used in the middle of a sentence. It's not textbooks that are wrong, anon just doesn't know his grammar.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:15:25 2018 No.19336039 >>19336020 けど[2]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:16:01 2018 No.19336042 by the way, just a side note, using your shitty sub-n3 japanese to grade or guide the correctness of casual speech is a spectacularly bad idea

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:16:39 2018 No.19336047

>>19336038
hjgp isn't a textbook, textbooks are like genki, minna no nihongo, and tobira
people who learn from textbooks internalize slightly incorrect versions of what the textbooks tell them because they don't have enough exposure to learn the nuances that prevent them from misunderstanding them
>>19336042
i'm self-assessed n2 :^)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:16:55 2018 No.19336049 >>19336038 but we're talking about けど

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:17:21 2018 No.19336050 That's amazing. There's not a single person in this thread who knows japanese

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:17:49 2018 No.19336054 >>19336050 0/10

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:17:49 2018 No.19336055 Why don't you guys try having this argument in Japanese?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:17:59 2018 No.19336057 >>19336050 i'm doing my part to keep it that way

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:18:16 2018 No.19336060 >>19336017 The “I’m” was autocorrect’s fault (I’m phone posting), and thank you

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:18:51 2018 No.19336062 >>19336055 Obviously because I'd wreck everyone in this thread without a single speck of mercy. It just wouldn't be fun.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:19:57 2018 No.19336069 After how many years or learning you can tell people "you don't know japanese" in djt?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:20:04 2018 No.19336071 File: 146 KB, 1280x720, mpv-shot0046.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 漫画を使う

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:20:39 2018 No.19336073 >>19336069 Less than 6 months, apparently

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:20:42 2018 No.19336074 about 0.5

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:20:59 2018 No.19336075 >>19336069 once you have completed at least one (1) eroge or visual novel in japanese, or one (1) long-running series of manga (8+ volumes), or read at least four (4) full-length novels all without using machine translation or parsers

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:21:47 2018 No.19336077 >>19336069 what? there's no requirement

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:23:00 2018 No.19336082 >>19336071 漫画使い使い漫画

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:23:22 2018 No.19336086 >>19336075 What the fuck makes you think 8 volumes of manga or one porn game is equal to 4 novels?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:24:13 2018 No.19336092 >>19336086 You have no idea how long eroge are.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:24:28 2018 No.19336094 >>19336086 you know the answer, all you had to say was "you don't know japanese"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:25:08 2018 No.19336097 >>19336075 What manga are you reading that 8 volumes contain 50,000+ sentences?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:25:43 2018 No.19336099 >>19336092 length isn't the problem with that comparison sir

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:26:03 2018 No.19336103 >>19336097 サラリーマン向け漫画

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:26:34 2018 No.19336109 >>19336099 there is no other issue to be had; porn is high art

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:27:29 2018 No.19336112 >>19336097 None. Manga 1sn't reading.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:28:36 2018 No.19336117 >>19336109 it absolutely is, but your first eroge will probably be easier in substance than your first novel, unless we're talking about lns

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:28:51 2018 No.19336118 global rule 10 "No intentionally evading spam or post filters."

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:29:22 2018 No.19336122 >>19336117 not at all, most eroge have completely normal japanese, just like most novels

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:29:52 2018 No.19336129 manga isn't reading

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:30:16 2018 No.19336132 File: 85 KB, 1280x720, mpv-shot0045.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] consuming manga is reading

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:32:08 2018 No.19336135 >>19336132 >mpv

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:32:50 2018 No.19336139 >>19336132 manga is eating

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:42:03 2018 No.19336170 >>19336050 Obviously. Why the fuck would anyone come here if they knew Japanese?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:43:40 2018 No.19336178 >>19336170 To help those unfortunate who can't of course.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:45:20 2018 No.19336185 >>19336178 They don't want to be helped, trust me

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:49:24 2018 No.19336202 you rub my ass, i rub your ass fair?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:51:39 2018 No.19336214 >>19336097 In what world are normal full-length novels over 12.5k sentences long?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:56:20 2018 No.19336246 Also the inter-media length of Japanese text is typically measured in characters not sentences.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 15:59:30 2018 No.19336267 >>19335921 There is nothing wrong in the sentence. やろ is the Kaisai dialect's counterpart to だろ.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:02:07 2018 No.19336280 >>19336267 >>19335978 >クソやろ means "fucker", not クソ+やろう(だろう).

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:03:47 2018 No.19336295 >>19336267 It's futile. They'll never learn.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:03:56 2018 No.19336297 >>19336267 if he intended 友達がクソだろ he knows even less japanese

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:04:22 2018 No.19336299 >>19336297 This.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:05:13 2018 No.19336307 人達がクソ野郎 is the only similar phrase that has any organic hits on google. And it has multiple.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:05:45 2018 No.19336308 >>19336297 Are you the same guy who said he gives bad advice on DJT on purpose

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:05:58 2018 No.19336310 >>19336308 You don't know Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:06:02 2018 No.19336312 >>19327777 How come porn is easier to read then everything else Did I fuck up somewhere

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:06:29 2018 No.19336316 >>19336312 All dialogue.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:09:23 2018 No.19336337 File: 11 KB, 1274x198, hmmm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:10:22 2018 No.19336341 you don't know what は does

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:10:55 2018 No.19336346 what the fuck are you noobs doin

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:11:07 2018 No.19336347 >>19336341 You don't know Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:11:18 2018 No.19336349 >>19336347 yes i do

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:12:08 2018 No.19336354 >>19336349 Saying that you do won't magically make you better at Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:12:16 2018 No.19336356 >>19335921 Why is が wrong here?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:12:33 2018 No.19336359 >>19336356 the statement is contrasting two things in serial, the second of which is related to the first. は is more natural.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:12:36 2018 No.19336360 >>19335921 everything its written by someone that doesnt know nihongo

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:14:08 2018 No.19336371 >>19336308 i tell the truth when i lowercase post

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:15:08 2018 No.19336376 For the beginners browsing this thread: don't take anything here seriously, all of these posts are made by people who don't know Japanese even on a basic level as evidenced above

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:15:42 2018 No.19336379 same but only from the posts before and after mine

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:19:57 2018 No.19336395 File: 76 KB, 705x388, mi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Remember when you criticized him for trying to steal the label? Well now he's not. He's made his own. There's literally nothing else to criticize. He's perfected learning.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:20:22 2018 No.19336402 >>19336376 that's funny, you don't know japanese

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:20:43 2018 No.19336406 >>19336395 now he just has to learn nihongo and hes set

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:21:31 2018 No.19336412 it's adorable how n4s get so heated when they're wrong

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:22:21 2018 No.19336417 Same here

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:22:25 2018 No.19336418 is n4s referring to the guy who listed what was wrong or the guy who said he didn't know japanese

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:22:43 2018 No.19336420 i didnt show up till this post >>19336346 because someone youd me what happened

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:29:33 2018 No.19336458 >>19336418 it's referring to the guy who has been insisting that it's 関西弁 because he found a result in jisho when he looked it up

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:29:57 2018 No.19336459 >>19336458 nice

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:30:38 2018 No.19336464 >>19336459 up top my man

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:32:44 2018 No.19336474 down low pulls hand away and slicks back hair too slow

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:33:27 2018 No.19336477 "hair"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:33:59 2018 No.19336481 カミの上

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:37:21 2018 No.19336499 File: 92 KB, 1000x1000, 1520172063493.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19331099 If used with the kanji this is referring to the flower or not?

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:37:49 2018 No.19336501
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>>19335912
None, the other 6000 are in a separate deck because I couldn't be assed to merge the two. I dunno what happened to the other 456 cards though, they were never in the decks to begin with but I'm sure I'll mine them eventually, they might even be in my mining deck which is a thousand cards at the moment.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:38:00 2018 No.19336503 >>19336481 https://streamable.com/e3n9z

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:38:04 2018 No.19336504 私は日本語

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:39:56 2018 No.19336510 >>19336501 >>19335912 Also I think it's hilarious how assblasted you are over my stats.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:40:31 2018 No.19336515 >>19336499 In this context, its not referring to the flower. Many media will use 百合 to refer to lesbians

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:41:00 2018 No.19336518 >>19336501 i can't believe someone actually completed core10k

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:41:21 2018 No.19336523 >>19336499 take me down to paradykes city

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:42:44 2018 No.19336532 File: 1.32 MB, 280x420, 1525122486799.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19336518 Big brains only beyond this point

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:44:28 2018 No.19336542 >>19336532 irony

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:44:38 2018 No.19336544 brains only big because of that giant tumor full of aids you got growin out of it

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:45:22 2018 No.19336550 >>19336542 >>19336544 Stay jealous of my でっかい語彙 kiddos

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:47:03 2018 No.19336559 >>19336550 do you even realize where you are im the old man sitting on the bench at the park watching the younguns play wishing i was at bingo instead and also thinking about repainting my garage now run along sport

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:47:39 2018 No.19336563 >>19335991 What game/system?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:48:08 2018 No.19336566 Do you all think this thread would be better if we range banned all lowercase posters

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:49:11 2018 No.19336570 >>19336559 >boomer I should have known.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:50:18 2018 No.19336576 File: 925 KB, 2048x1813, 21C7D8F2-C828-463F-A12D-9CF293CE3017.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19336563 Sega Saturn is pretty good for Japanese imports, cheap too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:50:37 2018 No.19336577 >>19336566 no because i make up for all the bad ones and then some

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:50:46 2018 No.19336579

>>19335991
woah how did i miss this fuckin good ass post

unfortunately it seems like youre yet another boy who hasnt put in any work or time into nihongo yet so theres nothing to do for you sorry but otherwise good fuckin choices are being made!!!

>>19336563
its dokyusei and it better be on the pc98 and he better be swapping out disks from that fat stack of floppys constantly or hes fuckin gay

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:51:48 2018 No.19336589 >>19336576 youre the saturn guy did you beat hentai hospital or whatever you got some good games there mate

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:53:38 2018 No.19336597 >>19336579 I wish I had a PC98 to play it on. Emulators for it are ass, so I’m playing the Saturn port

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:55:49 2018 No.19336613 >>19336501 >I dunno what happened to the other 456 cards though I think I've read that 10k aren't actually 10k so nothing is missing probably. The last 4k have no example sentences right? Do you think the last 4k words were worth it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:56:13 2018 No.19336620 >>19336577 i read that as "i make up for all the bad ones and some" and was nodding sagely but thats not what you wrote and it should have been >>19336597 saturn was a really dope console just not outside of japan unfortunately!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:56:28 2018 No.19336623 >>19336589 I haven’t finished it yet, I recently imported like 10ish Saturn games and I’m just enjoying myself while slowly becoming literate

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:57:05 2018 No.19336625 >>19336597 I actually recently figured out where to get the one build of neko project that doesn't suck.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:59:41 2018 No.19336639 >>19336623 i hope you enjoy your time with 夏子 dude

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 16:59:57 2018 No.19336640 >>19336625 Where? I’ve been meaning to get into touhou and some retro VNs

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:07:33 2018 No.19336681 >>19336640 https://sites.google.com/site/np21win/download

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:09:31 2018 No.19336691 >>19336681 Thanks, I tried to play 河原崎家の一族 a while ago but couldn't bear the awful sound emulation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:09:38 2018 No.19336692 pc98 emulators are fuckin gay because you just click some shit to swap your disks you need the actual physicality of it or youre a fuckin piece of shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:10:50 2018 No.19336698 >>19336692 Trust me, I'd love to own a real PC98 and physical games, but I don't live in Japan.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:13:33 2018 No.19336718 File: 355 KB, 2125x1505, img034.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:14:21 2018 No.19336720 >>19336681 Thanks

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:14:22 2018 No.19336721 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDum5PahIlM look at this shit its what you need right now bonus points if you get what the guys talking about

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:14:43 2018 No.19336724 >>19336718 please don't ever post black-on-white pages here, I refuse to read anything on a light background

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:17:44 2018 No.19336739 >>19336721 How do I redeem my bonus points?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:17:57 2018 No.19336742 >>19336718 wtf is this even

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:18:53 2018 No.19336748 >>19336739 theyre like the points on whose line is it anyway they dont matter

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:19:17 2018 No.19336752 how many pages per day do I need to read to feel like I've read enough for one day

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:20:23 2018 No.19336760 >>19336752 Read an entire novel per day just to be safe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:22:27 2018 No.19336774 about tree fiddy

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:23:33 2018 No.19336782 >>19336752 if you get a pc98 computer you can read more pages per day with the improved scrolling speed over ibm computer

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:24:30 2018 No.19336787 File: 667 KB, 2326x1527, img001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19336742

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:26:17 2018 No.19336800 >>19336787 I meant why are you posting this in this thread

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:27:10 2018 No.19336803 File: 24 KB, 240x320, 1528332658904.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If I'm doing the core 2k/6k should I be writing and memorizing how to write all of the kanji or would that fuck me up if I'm doing 20 cards a day

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:28:28 2018 No.19336816 儂の刃を食らえ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:29:04 2018 No.19336819 >>19336803 roided out riker cant learn nihongo

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:37:10 2018 No.19336864 >>19336819 https://youtu.be/3EtDXT3j-iY

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:38:08 2018 No.19336873 >>19336864 the classic

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:47:17 2018 No.19336929 >>19336718 How many months until I can understand this? Currently halfway through RTK.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:50:05 2018 No.19336943 >>19336929 tree fiddyだよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:53:41 2018 No.19336961 >>19336929 depends how soon you start learning japanese

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:54:23 2018 No.19336963 >>19336961 I start in about 2 months.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 17:58:50 2018 No.19336983 File: 54 KB, 339x500, 51M930K7BDL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 18:04:58 2018 No.19337003 がんばったんあのんもがんばったんがんばるのーん

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 18:05:19 2018 No.19337005 >>19336983 fear dreaded

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 18:26:34 2018 No.19337104 ちょっとききにくいしつもんがあります butt と assはなにがちがうのですか

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 18:28:08 2018 No.19337114 >>19337104 お尻ケツみたいな感じかな

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 18:28:46 2018 No.19337121 any opinions on bunpro? I need a way for grammar to stick beside reading (since I don't encounter some of it for days sometimes.) and the 30 bucks deal seems okay.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 18:29:46 2018 No.19337126 >>19337121 you think you need that but you don't don't study, just read

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 18:36:07 2018 No.19337157 RWC (rare word count)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 18:41:03 2018 No.19337187 This is probably a retarded question since I'm a beginner and have little perspective on my native language but is there such thing as grammar points that you'd go several days without encountering in the wild if you read several hours a day?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 18:43:15 2018 No.19337197 >>19337187 Sure, it all depends on what you read.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 18:44:04 2018 No.19337201 >>19337157 Real Women's Clothes Made In America

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 18:46:00 2018 No.19337212 >>19337187 by the time it's even reasonable for you to learn rarer shit instead of just looking it up each time and moving on, you'll be better at picking it up with less exposure similar to how picking up stuff in your native language is easy

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 18:52:20 2018 No.19337245 Is Japanese Wikipedia a decent place to sentence mine?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 18:53:39 2018 No.19337251 >>19337245 no

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 18:53:57 2018 No.19337252 >>19337251 Why not?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 18:54:08 2018 No.19337256 >>19337245 What are you even learning Japanese for?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 18:54:21 2018 No.19337259 you can mine all the mineral and ores you want but if you dont smelt them they are just rocks at the end of the day that you still cant do anything with but kick

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 18:55:55 2018 No.19337270 >>19337259 cold hard truth

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 18:58:34 2018 No.19337279 Actually literally every N3 retard with a patreon proved you can sell those minerals and ores to other retards

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:00:32 2018 No.19337290 >>19337279 nukemarine is the only n3 retard with a patreon that isn't completely destitute don't hyperbolize

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:00:35 2018 No.19337291 money cant buy nihongo

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:02:10 2018 No.19337297 >>19337290 What other N3 retards with a Patreon are there though?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:02:19 2018 No.19337298 >>19337291 reddit will fight you to the death over that claim

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:04:13 2018 No.19337306

>>19336613
It had them on the deck I used, and yes, it was totally worth it. There were tons of useful words, and I felt like my abilities grew a lot during the last 4,000, but that's certainly not entirely due to Anki. But anyway, yes, would recommend.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:05:11 2018 No.19337311 >>19337298 and this would be the result https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVm2ld4f08I&t=77

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:06:46 2018 No.19337321 >>19336613 >>19337306 Oh and they all had audio for the word and the sentence

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:06:58 2018 No.19337326 >>19337291 it can, will cost fuck ton to get daily 1 on 1 sessions, but it can. Well assuming you actually want to learn at putting at least SOME effort.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:07:05 2018 No.19337327 >>19337311 who's the baby screaming in the background

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:08:13 2018 No.19337338 >>19337326 youre only buying instructional services not the nihongo itself

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:08:25 2018 No.19337340 >>19337326 i rate this the most adorable post of the day so far, i can offer you some advice if you'd like to hear it

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:10:10 2018 No.19337351 >>19336803 Do it for as long as you can, and stop doing it when it becomes unmanageable with the number of cards you have. I did it for 6 months or so before I stopped, and it really helped me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:10:58 2018 No.19337354 >He isn't a rich tycoon that can pay a bunch of ギャルs to translate their 抜きゲー for them

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:11:57 2018 No.19337358 >>19337354 that's buying english, brother

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:30:45 2018 No.19337467 Beginner question: How would I know if 触れる is stated as ふれる or さわる? Can it be interchangeably used and it would still hold the same sense/meaning?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:33:58 2018 No.19337481 >>19337467 okurigana is different and they conjugate differently

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:35:47 2018 No.19337490 >>19337481 さわれる

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:38:28 2018 No.19337500 >>19337490 well those don't mean the same thing now do they, context helps

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:39:00 2018 No.19337502 >>19337500 yes but also anon is asking how to tell them apart

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:39:31 2018 No.19337505 >>19337502 >context helps

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:40:07 2018 No.19337508 >>19337505 okay now can you respond to them saying so

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:41:46 2018 No.19337514 >>19337508 no, you can if you'd like, i wont get mad at you for stealing my glory

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:42:20 2018 No.19337519 >>19337514 ok >>19337467 context helps

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 19:49:00 2018 No.19337547 File: 9 KB, 400x311, 1490049556735.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Sun Jul 1 20:37:48 2018 No.19337801

I've been eating manga for 3-4 hours and drinking unsubbed anime for 1-2 hours a day for like 3 months and I'm pretty sure I'm not any better than before I started learning Japanese and only picked out 先輩 and 何言ってんだ and guessed what was going on. Vocab in anki does nothing but make lack of furigana less of an inconvenience. Does this really work? Is it because I don't review sentences and eat cake with chopsticks? Can anyone truly learn Japanese?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 20:38:41 2018 No.19337810 >>19337801 Fun post anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 20:40:02 2018 No.19337818 >>19337801 >I've been eating manga for 3-4 hours and drinking unsubbed anime please let this catch on

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 20:51:31 2018 No.19337877 >>19337801 Please don't post here ever again.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 20:53:19 2018 No.19337890 >>19337801 Check out mat't's new method called m'ia.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 20:57:43 2018 No.19337910 >>19337801 Eat more manga. Find I + 1 sentences. Listen to stuff with a transcript. Download anime subs and open them in a text editor. Slow down anime audio. Srs anime dialogue. Listen passively to stuff you've already seen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 1 21:00:26 2018 No.19337927 File: 115 KB, 1280x720, mpv-shot0048.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 正しい漫画・本・小説の使い方

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