Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1848

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Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1848 Anonymous Mon Oct 2 07:49:07 2017 No.17711739 [Reply] [Original]

Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>17700093

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 07:51:56 2017 No.17711745 How many languages do you know, anon? By knowing I mean being able to watch the news, picking up a newspaper and reading it or watching movies in said language. http://www.strawpoll.me/14043083

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 07:59:44 2017 No.17711760 黒人大嫌い

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 08:09:16 2017 No.17711780 >>17711760 同じく

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 08:22:00 2017 No.17711806 File: 219 KB, 706x703, 1506080966571.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 日本語

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 08:25:45 2017 No.17711821 File: 169 KB, 369x398, 1506388360427.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17711806 韓国語

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 08:27:37 2017 No.17711826 >>17711745 I wish I could write 3, but my japanese is still only usefull for 少年 material. I plan to study the news before 2018.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 08:28:43 2017 No.17711829 >>17711745 3 I'm hoping to make that 4 with Japanese in 1-2 years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 08:30:17 2017 No.17711835 >>17711826 >>17711829 You can do it, anons.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 08:39:44 2017 No.17711872 >>17711745 1 I'm too retarded to learn a 2nd language

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:01:23 2017 No.17712092
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I received a 'there are more cards to review' message, increased my review limit and reviewed them. Then I got this message. I double-checked with the site in the OP and I have indeed reviewed all my new cards for today - why am I getting this message?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:03:53 2017 No.17712100 >>17712092 Because you have reached your limit for new cards for today. If you want to go full retard, set the new cards/day limit to 9999.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:05:48 2017 No.17712105 >>17712100 Thanks, I have a limit for new cards set but this is the first time Anki has told me about it. Maybe the review limit message flagged something and is now showing me the new card limit message.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:16:34 2017 No.17712129 >>17712105 Make sure your review limit is set to 9999 and your cards per day to 20 or whatever you use. Reboot Anki or your PC. Maybe that will fix the problem.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:37:56 2017 No.17712193 what words should a total beginner (can read hiragana and katakana) learn? Like what are the most commonly used words that would help me understand a native speaker?

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 10:50:32 2017 No.17712238
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>>17710420

BECAUSE I AM LEARNING KANJI ATM. Anons here helped me with my questions before, I helped other with my answers. But I don't care, I am leaving. Good luck guys.

>>17710483

Superior how? By admiting I wasted 2,5 years of my live studying Japanese and failing to graduate because I couldn't handle kanji? Like I said above, I am out if that's how you feel.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:10:22 2017 No.17712297 >>17711806 はあ? それってどういう意図なの？

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:48:08 2017 No.17712418 What the fuck do I do about my low retention rate >>17712193 nihao

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:49:48 2017 No.17712424 >>17712193 出来ない

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:50:48 2017 No.17712431 >>17712418 読んだり読んだり読んだりする

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:51:42 2017 No.17712432 >>17712431 thank you fatal1ty very wise words

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 11:59:18 2017 No.17712450 >>17712432 ケク that gave me a chuckle

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 13:13:33 2017 No.17712659 >>17712431 よむよりこえまねがいいとおもうよ

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 13:13:44 2017 No.17712662 >>17711745 Two, my native language and English.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 13:23:57 2017 No.17712686 むらかみってゆうめいなの？よんだことないよまずぎらいなのかな？

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 13:24:47 2017 No.17712688 >>17712659 口がないが悲鳴を上げる必要がある

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 13:30:19 2017 No.17712704 >>17712688 さあおおきなこえで https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge18n2JCwBs

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 14:07:52 2017 No.17712845 ラスベガスで出入り？ちのけがおおいよね

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 15:29:35 2017 No.17713076 File: 28 KB, 730x730, guess.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Let's have some fun. What Japanese word is illustrated by this image? Can you guess it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 15:33:14 2017 No.17713087 >>17713076 ブラドロップ

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 15:34:00 2017 No.17713092 >>17713087 quite close actually

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 15:37:04 2017 No.17713099 >>17713076 ぶら下げる obviously.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 15:39:42 2017 No.17713108 File: 85 KB, 546x552, screenshot0040.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17713099 ding ding ding Have a cute as reward. Actually I thought of ぶら下がる but close enough.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 15:51:18 2017 No.17713152 File: 527 KB, 905x725, 2017-10-02_21-46-49-sel.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's the kanji in the bottom left supposed to be? Context: They have to do a couple quiz answering questions about each other.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 15:56:07 2017 No.17713166 >>17713108 What shiw is this grill from?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 15:57:23 2017 No.17713169 File: 217 KB, 1280x720, screenshot0039.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17713166 ひよっこ

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:14:40 2017 No.17713209 File: 38 KB, 1274x811, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:15:30 2017 No.17713211 >>17713209 name your axis, faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:18:51 2017 No.17713231 >>17713211 VNFreqList 90% target http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:21:18 2017 No.17713238 File: 36 KB, 1286x811, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17713209 95% target

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:21:19 2017 No.17713239 >>17711745 Three: Native tongue, English and Japanese (JLPT N1 passed some time ago) Currently learning German

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:27:14 2017 No.17713265 >>17713239 And what's the native tongue?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:29:02 2017 No.17713270 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4ngIcz9ru4 feels

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:38:05 2017 No.17713308 File: 123 KB, 960x544, ch.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17713265 Ce n'est pas très important

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:39:37 2017 No.17713316

>>17711745
Austrian German dialect (Native Tongue), real German, English, Japanese.

Putting the dialect here because it can barely be classified as German.

I also took 4 years of Italian in school but I don't remember anything aside from ordering in a restaurant and some other phrases.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:49:12 2017 No.17713358 File: 21 KB, 500x388, 1506909819508.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what does this sign really say? can someone translate pls?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:52:07 2017 No.17713371 >>17713358 Do not be human garbage when left here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:53:15 2017 No.17713376 >>17713358 it says DO NOT DUMB HERE. NOT DUMB AREA HERE. or in japanese ここに馬鹿するなここに不馬鹿所

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 16:54:16 2017 No.17713380 >>17713308 >baguette learning jap before german What the hell, anon?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 17:04:02 2017 No.17713413 >>17713358 Please don't dump trash here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 17:12:03 2017 No.17713447 >>17713380 How is it surprising? I am not exactly learning German for pure pleasure (like with Japanese), I just moved to Germany so I need to adapt

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 17:14:12 2017 No.17713455 >>17713447 Precisely because of that. Nowadays I take it for granted that a lot of people are moving between France, Germany and the UK, since they're the ones who control the EU. (well, they were before the UK decided to leave)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 17:15:19 2017 No.17713458 >>17713455 I am not going to learn fucking french

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 17:29:40 2017 No.17713515 >>17713376 >or in japanese >ここに馬鹿するな >ここに不馬鹿所 that's not what japanese part in the original pic says.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 17:35:55 2017 No.17713541 >卍巴 Is 卍 used for literally anything else?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 17:41:32 2017 No.17713562 File: 49 KB, 910x600, hakenkreuz_shirt_kadesign_c524313b365a6e1c6e0cd7bcec740e02.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17713541 Like this, kind of.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 17:42:29 2017 No.17713569 >>17713541 Showing location of temples on a map. I'm not sure about post tokyo olympics 2020 maps though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 18:13:57 2017 No.17713658 File: 36 KB, 254x220, ksb2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ええLINEスタンプを見つけたて嬉しいやねん

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 18:22:32 2017 No.17713682 炎石 How is this pronounced, can't find it in a dictionary. えんせき？　ほのおいし？　ひうちいし？

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 18:39:59 2017 No.17713728 >>17713682 ほのおのいしかなあ

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 18:46:18 2017 No.17713743 Today I mined the following words: 双眸肉薄甲板硫黄咆哮魔窟へそ曲がり >>17710958 ~3 years.

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 18:48:11 2017 No.17713750 [DELETED]

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>>17710720
Update.

First of all, the reason I'm so late in doing this is because I couldn't sleep. I laid in bed for close to 5 hours trying to fall asleep and didn't manage to sleep at all. I got up for a few hours, then tried again. This time I managed three ~1hr periods of sleep over the course of 6 hours. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with my body.

Anyhow, onto the deck. I'm leaving Ezo/Hokkaido out because, as best as I can tell, while it was settled by the Japanese and ruled by a Japanese clan, it seems to have been some sort of exceptional case where it wasn't really subject to the feudal system of the time in the same way that all the territories on Honshu, Shikoku and Kyushu were.

If you're interested in the situation of Hokkaido at the time, it seems it was divided into 蝦夷地 (where the Ainu ruled) and 和人地 (where the Japanese ruled).

和人地 consisted of 渡島国, 後志国 and part of 胆振国 (山越郡). 蝦夷地 consisted of 胆振国 (except 山越郡), 日高国, 十勝国, 釧路国, 根室国, 千島国, 石狩国, 天塩国, 北見国, 北見国 and 樺太. None of those provinces (国) actually existed until 1869 though. Oh, also, it seems that the provinces of Hokkaido actually continued to exist until 1882 for some reason, when all the ones in Honshu, Shikoku and Kyushu disappeared between 1869 and 1871. Also, Hokkaido was actually 3 prefecture (Hakodate Prefecture, Sapporo Prefecture and Nemuro Prefecture) between 1882 and 1886.

I might add some of this info onto the Hokkaido region card.

Anyhow, I think all I have to do now is make the region cards, and then the deck is done, but I'm contemplating changing the map cards I was using since they all include Hokkaido.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 18:57:22 2017 No.17713781 >>17713750 Oh, another bit of interesting info. At first, there were actually 305 different prefectures, but the number was consolidated over time until it was finally reduced to the modern number of 47 in 1888.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 18:57:40 2017 No.17713784 あきになるときのこがたべたくなるよねあのたかいきのこが

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:03:49 2017 No.17713798 File: 1.18 MB, 1600x1140, 2006-10-25_Amanita_muscaria_crop.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17713784 こいつを炊いてあげる

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:11:58 2017 No.17713817 >>17713750 https://www.supermemo.com/en/articles/sleep#Insomnia Ideally, you should go to sleep only when you are very tired and wake up without an alarm clock.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:13:39 2017 No.17713824 >>17711760 how do i git good at reading small text, i couldn't tell that that was 嫌い because you can't really even tell it's the 女 radical on the left on a monitor do i need to get a 4k monitor and zoom hella in?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:14:04 2017 No.17713826 >>17713750 Turn off everything that emits blue light. Look into f.lux

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:16:35 2017 No.17713834 >>17713824 >do i need to get a 4k monitor and zoom hella in? no, make only the kanji font bigger using scripts

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:26:35 2017 No.17713846

>>17713798
Ｎ１～

>ベニテングタケ　Amanita muscaria(L.:Fr.)Pers.
テングダケ科テングダケ属

>秋～夏、針葉樹林・広葉樹林（特にカバノキ属）の林内地上に発生。中型～大型。傘は鮮赤色～橙黄色。白色のいぼをもち、周辺には条線を有する。ひだは白色で密。柄は白色で、上部に白色膜質のつばを有する、つばより下部はいくぶんささくれる、さらに基部は塊茎状に膨らみ、白色のつぼの名残が環状に残る（中略）

>イボテン酸・ムッシモール・ムスカリンなどで、おもに嘔吐、精神攪乱、幻覚、筋肉のけいれんなどをひきおこす（中略）

>西洋ではFly Afaricの異名をとる

>ヨーロッパにおいては「幸福のシンボル」と考えられている

いんよう「きのこ図鑑」writtn by 本郷次雄・幼菌の会

なんかもうひどーい

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:29:25 2017 No.17713850 Does anyone here use 俺?

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:31:12 2017 No.17713852

>>17713817
I was tired, I just kept having all these weird thoughts rushing through my head and couldn't shut them off. I tried directing my thoughts toward a specific thing, but they just kept getting side-tracked into the stream of nonsense. I also tried concentrating just on my breathing and trying not to think about anything, but that didn't work either.

This happens to me every now and then. I don't know what causes it. I'm not a good sleeper in general, but I'm not normally this bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:31:38 2017 No.17713855 >>17713850 Only when I'm talking to あなたのお母さん

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:33:37 2017 No.17713861 File: 777 B, 105x5, small text.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17713824 You need to read more so you can recognize characters without breaking down the radicals.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:38:16 2017 No.17713871 吃逆

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:40:41 2017 No.17713876 >>17713152 裏筋

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:47:38 2017 No.17713889 File: 427 KB, 990x1400, 1506982255586.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is 気がきくねー just an alternative way of saying 気が気じゃない? I can't really figure out what it is. As usual I must be missing something really obvious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:48:39 2017 No.17713892 >>17713889 気が利く

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:52:27 2017 No.17713907 >>17713892 I see. Shouldn't it be 利かない though instead of 利くない like she said? Or am I not allowed to treat this as a verb?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 19:54:05 2017 No.17713917 >>17713907 nvm I'm stupid disregard this

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 20:05:19 2017 No.17713947 >>17713850 No i just use このホモ

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 20:56:54 2017 No.17714075 >2017-10-01 Added Oretsuba, its prelude, and its afterstory. Seems like reports of Oretsuba's difficulty has been greatly exaggerated. High kanji count though. http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:02:58 2017 No.17714099 >>17714075 >This project covers 31.5 million lexemes with an upper bound of 37.8MB entropy (1024^2, circa 40 million bytes; upper bound; LZMA2/7z). What's this about?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:12:31 2017 No.17714133 Is there any helpful method of memorizing which verbs are -う or -る? Or is it pure memorization?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:18:01 2017 No.17714163 >>17714075 whats with astelight shuushuubako then do even natives have a rough time of that one?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:21:07 2017 No.17714175 >>17711739 test

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:36:14 2017 No.17714220 >>17714133 If you're reading then it doesn't matter, and if you're writing or speaking and you don't know instinctively then you don't know the word well enough to use properly it anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:40:04 2017 No.17714239 >>17714175 テスト

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:47:39 2017 No.17714281 best manga reader in current year?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:53:50 2017 No.17714315 >>17714281 i like honeyview 3 on pc

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 21:54:22 2017 No.17714316 File: 109 KB, 620x451, 2569304i.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw 80% retention rate >tfw jap study stagnated like shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:48:06 2017 No.17714534 File: 9 KB, 721x230, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 22:56:43 2017 No.17714568 >>17714163 Some EGS reviews of Mareni's games mention the text being too dense/hard to read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:17:24 2017 No.17714643 File: 19 KB, 748x286, Untitled-1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:17:38 2017 No.17714645 [DELETED]

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>>17713750
Okay, it's finally done.

https://a.pomfe.co/splobum.apkg

Updated list of contents:
- All Regions
map cards, name cards w/region descriptions

- 7 Sub-regions
map cards, name cards w/partial sub-region descriptions

- All Prefectures (inc. Tokyo Metropolis)
map cards, flag cards, name cards

- All Special Wards of Tokyo
map cards, flag cards, name cards w/ward descriptions

- Some notable districts in the Special Wards of Tokyo
name cards w/district descriptions

- All Prefectural Capitals
flag cards, name cards w/prefecture maps

- All Designated Cities
flag cards, name cards w/prefecture maps

- All Core Cities
flag cards, name cards w/prefecture maps

- All Special Cities
flag cards, name cards w/prefecture maps

- 12 cities big enough to be designated/core/special cities and/or which are prefectural capitals + 1 famous city
flag cards, name cards w/prefecture maps

- All ancient provinces (AD 794-1868 borders), not including Hokkaido (see previous posts for why)
map cards, name cards w/brief descriptions

- All ancient Gokishichidō regions
map cards, name cards w/brief descriptions

Would appreciate it if the CoR maintainer could update the version in the CoR to this one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:21:11 2017 No.17714653 >>17714645 ご苦労

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:21:49 2017 No.17714657 File: 2.89 MB, 300x300, 1503585914922.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17714645 お疲れ

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:36:23 2017 No.17714695 File: 78 KB, 960x960, 1506132362931.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17714645 Now I want one for Proper names >Do it >Now

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:37:59 2017 No.17714701 >>17714534 Just is, because reasons. Same with the whole しか～ない pattern. Whatever the historical reasons are, you don't really need to know as a learner, but maybe as a linguist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:40:32 2017 No.17714708 >>17714695 What sort of proper names?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:43:11 2017 No.17714716 >>17714701 しこたまあんきするしかない

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:43:13 2017 No.17714718 >>17714708 A list on Person's names. With kanji

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:44:38 2017 No.17714723 File: 30 KB, 429x572, HtPcLEQfQI8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17714695 go away evil dogger!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 2 23:54:08 2017 No.17714752 >>17714718 https://myoji-yurai.net

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:00:27 2017 No.17714780 File: 24 KB, 301x267, tumblr_inline_n1581sXTRW1qzcxxq.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17714752

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:01:58 2017 No.17714789 いいえ。各個人で特色の出る物よ。 Does this で mean per? Like the で in dojg intermediate page 27? Context is that vampires get a power by drinking blood.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:02:03 2017 No.17714790 >>17714645 乙

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:03:04 2017 No.17714795 >>17714695 Go away evil dogger.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:11:20 2017 No.17714830

>>17714701
Alright then. I was just hoping for something to make it "click" at least. A bit frustrating they don't give examples of what would be correct instead or give any other explanations, that sounds too arbitrary like that.

しかない makes sense if you think of ｘしか as "aside from ｘ there is ない" though.

I feel like reading through DoJG is making arise more questions than it is answering any and makes my head hurt sometimes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:14:24 2017 No.17714836 File: 12 KB, 238x156, ろぺす.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17714780 あてじまで登録されてたすごーい

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:30:48 2017 No.17714890

>>17714695
>>17714708
I've actually been thinking of starting a mining deck for people's names, but I haven't gotten round to doing it yet and I have no idea how long it would take before it got enough names in it to be worth uploading somewhere.

The name decks on AnkiWeb all suck since they don't tell you whether a name is male or female.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:33:04 2017 No.17714899 Where can I find a list of all 2000 kanji's in the Anki deck?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:35:38 2017 No.17714907 When do you consider having learned a language? Mine is when you can express your true personality in a langauge

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 00:52:07 2017 No.17714940 File: 75 KB, 720x720, 1505648784599.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17714907 being able to understand porn in that language

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 01:01:16 2017 No.17714964 >>17714940 だれだろうこのみょうれいなごふじんはもげろ

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:04:48 2017 No.17715125 File: 384 KB, 928x552, 無題.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm having issue understanding 釣り合いません in context here, is it kind of just belittling 騒がれたりするの here? Like "It isn't worth her talent to bring such affairs"?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:06:22 2017 No.17715134 anyone got a download link for Nakama 2 audio files?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:18:21 2017 No.17715164 おなかすいたおまんじゅうたべたい

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:37:14 2017 No.17715204 File: 200 KB, 760x270, 十万石まんじゅう.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17715164 埼玉県より

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:45:11 2017 No.17715219

>>17714890
Okay, I've started it.

Don't expect me to upload it any time soon though. Maybe once it reaches 500 or 1000 names I'll post it, but I don't know how long that will take.

Data on the cards: name in kanji, reading(s) of that name, whether it's a family name or given name, and, if it's a given name, whether it's a male or female name.

I'm also tagging cards according to family name/given name and (when applicable) male/female.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:47:48 2017 No.17715226 >>17715219 Anon you are a power house. 頑張ってね

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 02:51:45 2017 No.17715234

>>17715219
Oh yeah, and since this will be a mined deck, obviously it will only include readings that I have actually encountered. If I added every possible reading, I think it would just become unmanageable, and some possible readings might be really uncommon and hardly ever used.

I'm also not going to be making cards for names written with kana.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:00:09 2017 No.17715251 File: 334 KB, 880x720, 1490145799114.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 振る (ふる) [to wave/shake] is made up of 手・て [hand] and 辰・たつ [man with a hoe], representing a farmer in the field leaning on his hoe and waving to passersby.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:01:41 2017 No.17715256 >>17715251 well as long as shes happy

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:01:44 2017 No.17715257 >>17715125 unbecoming

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:06:55 2017 No.17715273 >>17715204 おいしそーあんはなにかな

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:43:32 2017 No.17715346 おはよさん今日も頑張ろうな

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 03:59:51 2017 No.17715395
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I'm a little past one month into Anki. Is this good or bad? I felt a little burned out in the last ten minutes or so but due to workfag reasons I have a pretty shitty sleeping schedule (I did this off 4 hours sleep). Overall, especially on a day with decent sleep I actually feel pretty comfortable at the pace I'm going. I think if I actually did some reading on the side it might be easier but I don't know where to read entry level easy shit that isn't VN's or manga.

Also what do you guys do with leeched cards? I just switched mine to tag only but I'm wondering if maybe it might be better to leave it as it is. The thing is I feel that I was getting the hang of a fair amount of the cards that were leeched in my deck so I'm entirely to sure. I guess I can always change the amount of times before getting leeched later on.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 04:01:05 2017 No.17715400 >>17715395 >so I'm entirely to sure not entirely sure*

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 04:02:33 2017 No.17715401 >>17715395 If you're not burying leeches you're wasting time you could be spending learning other words or reading.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 04:05:08 2017 No.17715410 >>17715395 >I'm a little past one month into Anki. Is this good or bad? its fine, get more sleep though below 70% then things look grim, aim for above 80%

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 04:18:19 2017 No.17715448 do people ever write 今日は? or do they just use kana?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 04:20:13 2017 No.17715455 >>17713728 You just add の?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 04:23:44 2017 No.17715465 >>17714315 I think MComix is better, though don't really read mango.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 04:31:43 2017 No.17715489 >>17715448 Why not use a good dictionary? Yomichan (and by extension all JMDict based texthookers/web dictionaries I think) tells you it's usually written with kana.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 04:39:16 2017 No.17715506 >>17715489 sometimes i just feel like asking people to confirm

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 05:24:51 2017 No.17715610 >>17714534 I think you could just throw a と同じ in there to make it work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 05:36:56 2017 No.17715626 >>17714890 >since they don't tell you whether a name is male or female. A deck for first names would be pointless.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 05:38:13 2017 No.17715629 >>17715410 >below 70% then things look grim, aim for above 80% This is only relevant in the context of mature cards.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 05:40:12 2017 No.17715635 >>17715610 Don't you also need くらい in this case?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 05:42:35 2017 No.17715641 >>17715455 いれるとかわいいよ

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 05:46:42 2017 No.17715651 File: 33 KB, 300x225, 6a2fbae462335167e3a0c6916ad3a9c2-300x225.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17715204 ジャパりまんかってきた

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 06:54:08 2017 No.17715838 File: 13 KB, 137x291, kbat.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I can't figure out what バ配症 means here. Either I got one of the kanji wrong or it's a made up term that I found no search results for.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 06:55:07 2017 No.17715847 >>17715838 心配症

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 06:56:48 2017 No.17715855 >>17715847 Ah, thank you. I never would have guessed that first one was 心 even though I know バ made no sense.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 07:09:48 2017 No.17715901 >>17715855 The "dakuten" are the upper and right strokes of 心, you'll get used to it as you encounter more handwritten Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 07:31:55 2017 No.17715974 症ってのがわからない病とどうちがうの？

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 07:41:49 2017 No.17716008 >>17715974 英語のdiseaseとillnessの違いと同じでしょう？つまり違いがあるんだけど意味は同じくらいよ

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 07:44:22 2017 No.17716015 ふじのやまい...ロリコン

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 07:49:22 2017 No.17716039 Has anyone ever reviewed Wanikani anyway? I know the anon who made it pushed it hard in the threads, but I haven't heard anything good or bad about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 07:50:50 2017 No.17716046 >>17716039 >>/jp/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=I+know+the+anon+who+made+it+pushed+it+hard+in+the+threads%2C+but+I+haven't+heard+anything+good+or+bad+about+it..

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 07:52:23 2017 No.17716055 >>17716046 how embarrassing

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 07:53:52 2017 No.17716066 >>17716055 yeah posting the same jokes over and over when you're the only one that laughs at them is really embarrassing, especially when you pretend it's "trolling" after you realize how cringe it is

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 08:18:24 2017 No.17716140 What is your thought about monolingual anki cards ? To me it seems like an unnecessary added difficulty, most of the time english definition is pretty straightforward, like chair is 椅子 or red is 赤い

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 08:22:01 2017 No.17716157 >>17716140 Front: jap word Back: Eng translation/s (optional) Jap definition Example sentence

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 08:28:33 2017 No.17716178 >>17716015 それはびょうきではないペドフィリアはびょうきといわれる

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 08:56:00 2017 No.17716252 >>17714643 What site/ grammar guide is this from?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 09:03:04 2017 No.17716264 >>17716252 It’s Sakubi.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 09:07:52 2017 No.17716283 >>17716252 From your guide. You know the one you're trying to push so hard right now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 09:11:59 2017 No.17716293 >>17714940 That's one of the dumbest reasons I've ever heard, hope you get cancer which leaves your family in massive debt

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 09:21:39 2017 No.17716314 >>17716264 thx didn't know about this. Tae Kim's guide still looks friendlier for some reason. I rarely browse the DJT since it left /a/ but anon has stepped it up. >>17716283 "Your"じゃなくて、"Our"ですぅー

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 09:33:12 2017 No.17716349 >>17716293 I already have it though, so I guess your wish has been fulfilled.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 09:40:10 2017 No.17716364 >>17716252 boku no grammar dictionary

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 09:47:16 2017 No.17716382 File: 118 KB, 361x440, its time.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] how to trigger retards

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 09:47:37 2017 No.17716384 >>17714316 >tfw 68% retention rate

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 09:54:08 2017 No.17716404 File: 8 KB, 229x173, dekinai1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17714964 >>17715164 >>17715273 >>17716178 this is literally unintelligible because you aren't using any kanji, come back when you can actually into 日本語

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 09:54:41 2017 No.17716406 >>17716404 i understood it fine, have you considered learning japanese?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 09:55:57 2017 No.17716412 >>17716384 I used to do anki when I woke up and I couldn't pass 60-65% the first 2 weeks or so. On my third week I simply decided to wait until I was done with breakfast or lunch and my retention jumped to steady 75-85%.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 09:56:02 2017 No.17716414 >>17716406 nice samefag

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 09:56:32 2017 No.17716416 >>17716414 no

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 09:58:05 2017 No.17716419 >>17716382 >>17716404 Yeah it's fucking Nihongo time. Lol.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 09:59:54 2017 No.17716425 File: 1.09 MB, 971x753, djt1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17716419 >using romaji even ironically

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:04:05 2017 No.17716431 >>17716425 I think you mean /djt/1

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:20:35 2017 No.17716485
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>spent 6 years learning Japanese
>still reading at the speed of a senile 110 years old
Approaching native level speed is extremely difficulty with this language it seems

Any success stories on /djt/?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:25:49 2017 No.17716499 What is DJT's opinion on George Trombley?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:28:22 2017 No.17716507 >>17716499 low

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:28:38 2017 No.17716508 >>17716499 high

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:29:29 2017 No.17716513 >>17716485 Start reading 3+ hours a day.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:29:41 2017 No.17716514 >>17716485 >/djt/ What is "/djt/"?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:30:37 2017 No.17716518 >>17716507 Why is that? I started watching his video series, and they lack a lot of kanji. In your opinion, is he a trustable source or not and why?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:31:41 2017 No.17716523 >>17716518 he would be trustworthy as a tutor but not as a book salesman anything that takes your focus away from getting to the point where you can read sufficiently basic stories is not worth your time

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:31:43 2017 No.17716524 >>17716485 Years don't mean anything, you can study for two hours per week for 6 years and say that you "spent 6 years learning Japanese".

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:34:12 2017 No.17716530 >>17716499 Not a reliable source to learn japanese because he has never taken the JLPT.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:36:20 2017 No.17716536

>>17716485
Images like these annoy me.
If you convince yourself a language is hard to learn then it becomes harder to learn than if you just treated it like any other language.
Yes, Japanese and English are about as different as languages can get, but difference does not equal difficulty.
The only reason anyone has to say "language X is the most difficult language to learn" is so they can say they speak it and brag about it or to discourage people from learning it in the first place.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:46:40 2017 No.17716560

>>17716536
Japanese and English are not actually that different linguistically speaking after you get past a short list of meaningless linguistics trivia.

Differences:
- Core word order is different
- Things like inflections and figures of speech are frequently ordered "backwards" or "inside-out" compared to english
- Japanese is pro-drop, English is not
- Different type of accent system than the main dialects of English
- Effectively zero cognates except for some very convenient coincidences (ない vs nay, etc) and loans
- Japanese uses mimetic words (ぴかぴか) much more than english (gurgling)

Similarities:
- Nouns, pronouns, and topic context work almost exactly the same as in English, the only difference is that Japanese has an exclusive topic marker
- Adverbs can be placed almost anywhere (depending on the adverb) and its exact location slightly alters what it applies to
- There are countless multi-word grammatical constructions that have literal word by word translations (just in different order) in both directions between the two languages, that end up retaining the original nuance.
- They're both written with a mixture of phonetic and morphemic orthography.
- They both loaned extensive academic and formal vocabulary from other languages that were more powerful at the time, a lot of which entered the spoken language, dramatically changing its grammar as a result of the imbalance caused by the flood of new words.
- They both handle nested logical negatives, long inclusive/exclusive/group-based lists, strung-together nested verbal constructions, and grammatical mood in particular ways that most European languages, in addition to Chinese, do not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:56:54 2017 No.17716581 >>17716560 >Japanese and English are not actually that different linguistically speaking after you ignore their totally different writing systems

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 10:57:16 2017 No.17716582 >>17716581 - They're both written with a mixture of phonetic and morphemic orthography.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:03:16 2017 No.17716598 I think people actually refer to the amount of characters you need to learn when the 2k hour image is dropped.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:07:19 2017 No.17716610

>>17716560
Interesting. You obviously know more than me but I feel like throwing in my 5 cents anyway.

Sure, there are similarities, but are those similarities enough to "compensate" for the differences?
If you're a complete beginner and dealing with the different word order, completely different writing system, a pitch accent system, and omission of words if obvious from context, will it really help much that they both borrowed academic vocabulary from another language?
I mean, if you're Chinese, yeah, I suppose it will. But if you aren't, then I don't think saying "Japanese has plenty of borrowed Chinese vocabulary" will make it easier if you remember that English has a ton of borrowed vocabulary too.

I know they're just linguistic similarities, but unless borrowing academic vocabulary from another language is rare (I don't know) then that seems basically just like linguistic trivia rather than a similarity. And even if it is rare, they're borrowing from different languages, so it doesn't mean much.

Maybe I'm just thinking of Japanese and English's linguistic relations in terms of "how much information from languages I already know is also present in this language" which might be too subjective, but that's what I meant in the first place even if in retrospect I could have worded that better.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:08:08 2017 No.17716615 can someone post the picture that has 95% understanding word counts for newspapers and internet forums etc? i save it every time but forget what i named it

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:12:04 2017 No.17716630

>>17716610
Your sentiment is exactly eight. Differences are more important than similarities. Human languages are all very deeply similar, so similar that anyone who already knows a human language will become conversational in any other language if they're stranded in a society where that language is the only one.

When we talk about difficulty in learning languages, we're talking about something else. How "annoying" or "stressful" it is to learn a language. How long it takes to reach a low level of literacy. How easy it is to acquire language features from the new language through deliberate study instead of input. All things that meaningfully differ between different pairs of native language and second language.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:12:35 2017 No.17716636 >>17716615 It's obsolete, post http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats instead.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:15:11 2017 No.17716644 >>17716636 >all have 7000+ words >people tell me to start "reading more" when i haven't even seen 1000 words in anki yet

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:15:44 2017 No.17716650 >>17716364 bokuじゃなくてbokutachiだ！

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:17:31 2017 No.17716652

>>17716644
Visual novels are more than just words. You need to learn the "real" flow of the language, on a word to word and sentence to sentence level, too. In fact, that's probably more important than learning another 6000 words in isolation.

1000 is too little to read anything fluidly if it doesn't have furigana, but you should consider browsing online manga stores. By the off chance that anything is interesting enough to read it despite your low vocabulary, you need to jump on it immediately. Ever having a positive experience reading a story is the #1 indicator of future success in learning a language.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:18:58 2017 No.17716657 Anyone JLPT 1 in December here?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:19:04 2017 No.17716659 >>17716644 There's more to reading than knowing words

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:20:43 2017 No.17716666

>>17716644
So what's your plan? Keep learning vocabulary purely through words Anki shows you, some of which you'll probably never need?
Even if you learn 7000 words purely through Anki, who's to say the content you want to read or watch actually uses only words you know? You're inevitably going to run into unfamiliar vocabulary you need to look up even if you know 7000 words, so when you have a foundation of 1000 words there's no reason to keep learning vocabulary that may or may not be present or common in the content you want to read.

Furthermore, like the other two anons said, a language is more than words. Knowing all the words present won't help if you don't actually understand what the sentence is talking about because either you aren't accustomed to the grammar, the mannerisms, or the subtle nuances. And no Anki deck can teach you that.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:29:14 2017 No.17716686
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>>17716659
>>17716652
i know but is there really any point if you either have to stop every 5 words or don't understand anything because you just read furigana fast without knowing the meaning

>>17716666
i'm probably just going to ankidrone until at least 2k because that's supposed to be the
most useful part of core6k

i mostly judge the extent of my vocabulary by how many words i recognize when listening to japanese music i don't know the lyrics to, it's like getting a new piece in a puzzle every day and it feels very satisfying, but from this i know i don't know nearly enough to know most words so i could focus on the new words because i don't recognize the most common words, like say the 66% of words used that the 3000 most common words make up

many people say they start reading or even drop anki altogether after 2.5k so idk we'll see when i get there, i think i'm too much of a memorylet to stop doing srs ever

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:30:09 2017 No.17716688 >>17716686 >>i know but is there really any point if you [...] don't understand anything because you just read furigana fast without knowing the meaning yeah you underestimate how overpowered the brain is when it comes to this

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:30:09 2017 No.17716689
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>>17716644
I highly recommend this series called "１０分で読める伝記"

"Biographies you can read in 10 minutes" or whatever.

I read the grades 1-4. I learned about the Wright brothers, Flaurence Nightingale, Ikkyu, Akira Kurasawa... etc.

Or even reading manga when you can't really make sense of it helps. Keep the translation open in another tab and compare. Depending on the theme of the manga - sports, action, art - you'll see the same words pop up over and over and that will help to solidify them in your memory.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:33:48 2017 No.17716703 >>17716686 It's anons like these that give Anki a bad rep. Come on dude. Just read.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:35:41 2017 No.17716710 >>17716513 That would be much easier if I could find interesting stuff to read.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:53:06 2017 No.17716749

>>17716686
Why not read and do anki? What the fuck is 7000 words going to do if it takes you 10 minutes to read a sentence and you don't even know where words start and end? It's stupid to delay reading, even if you have to stop and look up words often.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 11:59:59 2017 No.17716769

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7QsHpLU1Sw

I listened to this song for a few episodes without JP subtitles and I couldn't really understand much. Now I found a youtube link with JP subtitles and I realized I knew most of those words and I can understand things just fine when reading.

Apparently my listening comprehension is laughably bad. Should probably not have spent so much time reading and used some of it for listening shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:06:16 2017 No.17716779 >>17716749 Someone who knows 7000 words will know when a word starts and ends. Your logic is flawed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:06:46 2017 No.17716781 >>17716779 you'll also figure that out when you read for long enough even if you barely know 2000 words

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:11:45 2017 No.17716798 File: 36 KB, 720x860, dekinai.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] did you do your anki today, anon?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:13:07 2017 No.17716801 >>17716781 >2000 words But you don’t know what the content is about.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:13:26 2017 No.17716804 >>17716801 you do if you're reading something interesting enough

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:14:47 2017 No.17716812 >>17716804 Not with a limited vocabulary.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:15:59 2017 No.17716818 >>17716812 you vastly underestimate the power of 2000 words and a dictionary

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:18:08 2017 No.17716822 >>17716798 How is that grammar deck? I am thinking of adding some grammar to my Anki, that one seems to be fairy popular.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:20:47 2017 No.17716836 >>17716818 Using a dictionary to look up words is a great way to break the flow and a waste of time. This is not what I’d call interesting.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:23:29 2017 No.17716845
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I have had classes for a couple of years and got an N4.

I still cant write/speak for shit.

Any recommendations on how to progress?

I am considering just getting resources for N3 and just focusing on that but I am not sure if this is a good long term approach as my goal is fluency and not accumulation of Ns.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:24:20 2017 No.17716848 >>17716798 Why does 1000 cards take you that long? I hope you're not doing this in place of actually reading.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:24:31 2017 No.17716850

>>17716836
you obviously don't read, your ideas don't reflect reality

you don't use the dictionary on every word you think you don't know, you only use it on words you realize you need to know

looking up every word in a dictionary is neither required to understand what you're reading if you know 2000 words, nor can it possibly be considered "reading". that is not reading.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:24:57 2017 No.17716853 >>17716845 Additional request: I keep forgetting the fucken kanji so I am considering getting a phone app to recap everyday on the fly. Any personal recommendations?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:25:53 2017 No.17716855 >>17716845 read the guide start mining anki read more listen more

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:28:10 2017 No.17716863 >>17715635 You shouldn't unless you drop the ほど, they serve similar functions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:29:30 2017 No.17716867 >>17716863 Oh sorry misunderstood you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:47:13 2017 No.17716942 >>17715626 Why?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 12:53:57 2017 No.17716974 >>17715395 >I don't know where to read entry level easy shit that isn't VN's or manga There's shit like http://hukumusume.com/douwa/betu/

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 13:01:23 2017 No.17717016

>>17716974
>>17715395
Doesn't get easier than converting a book in any text format (txt, epub, mobi, doesn't matter) to html and then reading it with yomichan. If you know basic grammar it will even have some info about most grammar points you don't understand (you need to know the basics though).

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 13:29:48 2017 No.17717203 >>17716140 I add an autogenerated link to j-j dictionary on the back.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 13:41:49 2017 No.17717263 僕は。。。

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 13:45:13 2017 No.17717279 >>17716853 Anki app synchronizes with your PC decks. Works both ways.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:08:25 2017 No.17717359 >>17717263 僕等は皆生きている

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:09:27 2017 No.17717363 So, I'm a month into Beginning Japanese at college. I saw Yotsuba is recommended reading for beginners according to the guide, but I'm wondering how long I should study before attempting it? I'm only just now learning about verbs in Lesson 3 of Genki.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:14:27 2017 No.17717378 >>17717363 >I'm a month into Beginning Japanese >I'm only just now learning about verbs in Lesson 3 of Genki.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:18:58 2017 No.17717384 >>17717378 If this is some kind of snide dig, which I'm sure it is because this is 4chan, I'm struggling to get the joke. I've been learning at the pace my sensei is teaching us.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:20:34 2017 No.17717391 >>17717384 Not him but if you're a month into studying the language you're learning extremely slowly. If you wanna learn the language then self-learn in your spare time, because college courses will go at a glacial pace.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:21:27 2017 No.17717396 >>17717384 You're gonna end up like >>17716845 if you don't take control of your own learning.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:25:35 2017 No.17717414 >>17717396 Saying you are learning for a couple years doesn't really mean shit. You could be learning 2 hours every week only like someone already said or you could be going months in between study sessions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:29:15 2017 No.17717427 >>17717414 that doesn't have anything to do with the post you responded to

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:29:23 2017 No.17717429

>>17717396
>>17717391
Ah, I see. Thank you for your input.

I intend to do self-learning between semesters so I don't forget what I've obtained, but for now I'm struggling to find time keeping up with all my courses as a whole so I don't know if I can dedicate much more time to Japanese during school.

I intend to apply for a language intensive study-abroad and even have plans to move over there for a handful of years after college to really become fluent by way of immersion. My goal is to work in localization, so I'm dedicated to this being a long journey anyway.

Back to my original question; how much do you guys suggest I know before I start trying to read stuff from the "easy" section of the list?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:30:51 2017 No.17717436 >>17717429 >between semesters you can't learn japanese

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:33:14 2017 No.17717446 >>17717436 I currently am and will continue to. I don't understand why you guys focus so much on the speed of which it happens.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:33:19 2017 No.17717447 >>17717427 If you are incapable of using your mouse and looking at what the post is quoting and therefore talking about, then sure. Nothing to do with it. Continue to shitpost on 4chan friend.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:34:46 2017 No.17717452

>>17717447
They weren't posting the information in that quote. They were posting about that quote. Your response is response to the information they were quoting, not the post you were responding to. Their point was completely independent of whatever the contents of the quote happened to be, so it would have nothing to do with their post to respond to them about the contents of the quote in the semantic sense rather than solely about whatever point they were making. Your response has nothing to do with the post you were responding to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:34:49 2017 No.17717455 2, I know Hebrew, my native language, and English. I know a bit of Arabic (especially the Iraqi dialect), and currently learning Japanese, But I am very much a beginner.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:39:22 2017 No.17717469 Ja What Anki Deck would you guys recommend for N2 grammar study? Or should I just get some book instead? Probably both- book for learning and Anki for repetition? I studied with Minna no Nihongo so far. What do you think?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:56:05 2017 No.17717520 >>17717446 you will not learn japanese in 20 years if you study it between semesters, just the amount of vocabulary and reading practice you DON'T do for 9 months every year makes it completely futile

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 14:57:56 2017 No.17717527 >>17716845 >I am considering just repeating what I've already been doing for years which hasn't been working.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 15:01:25 2017 No.17717536

>>17717520
Sorry, I must have explained poorly.

I'm in college Japanese courses during the school year. I plan on committing time daily during my winter and summer breaks to Japanese so that I don't lose what I am learning during school. Currently, I spend between 2-3 hours every weekday to class/homework. I just can't spend more than that on Japanese because I'm also enrolled in 3 other reading intensive courses.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 15:04:14 2017 No.17717548 >>17717536 You dont learn enough in class for 2-3 hours of work time every day. Unless you literally review the entire time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 15:07:23 2017 No.17717563 >>17717536 What kind of stuff are you doing in class? I need an easy A and I’m considering taking jap 101 since I’ll have self studied for ~10 months by next semester.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 15:11:58 2017 No.17717582

>>17717548

My sensei assigns work from the Genki workbook most nights and additional worksheets that she's prepared herself to really hammer home specifics of each grammar lesson. And then she asks us to practice alongside the audio files that come with Genki and I do that more often than not as well. So, yes, it's a lot of review. But I'm learning alongside my girlfriend who isn't enrolled in the class so I have to explain to her things I've learned in class earlier that day.

>>17717563
It would probably be an easy A, but you should probably check what materials your course professor has you buy. If they follow the Genki textbook it's a lot of rudimentary grammar. My sensei quizes us on vocab twice a week, we had a hiragana quiz after two weeks and now I have a katakana quiz this Friday (4 weeks).

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 15:23:57 2017 No.17717623

>>17717582
>My sensei quizes us on vocab twice a week, we had a hiragana quiz after two weeks and now I have a katakana quiz this Friday (4 weeks).
That does sound like an easy A. If you’re just learning kana now you’ll probably have a hard time with Yotsubato. One of the easiest ways to start reading is reading NHKEasy with a browser dictionary like yomichan/rikaisama.

Also, I would lower your expectations for what you’ll get from the classroom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QyX9XhGX3s

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 15:25:58 2017 No.17717628 Is there a way to swap the front and back of all cards in an anki deck at once?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 15:27:06 2017 No.17717632 >>17717628 Nevermind, figured it out

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 16:12:54 2017 No.17717799 >>17716689 This looks interesting. I didn't see it in the guide though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 16:46:00 2017 No.17717904 File: 1.37 MB, 1229x997, 678567685657.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17716293 冗談バカやろう

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:08:56 2017 No.17717974 Lads does anyone have azw3 for Mushoku Tensei LN?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:15:23 2017 No.17717994 >>17717974 Yes, thanks for asking.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:15:49 2017 No.17717996 >>17717974 7 billion people, odds are someone does.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:50:36 2017 No.17718123 File: 3 KB, 326x217, jp-43.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17710864 >>17708500 >>17708535 >>17709090 Did you end up finishing the update on the prefecture, cities, etc. deck anon? I'm interested

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 17:56:50 2017 No.17718147 File: 366 KB, 1286x823, light novels.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw I can now read light novels without full furigana thanks to Nezuyomi Who knew OCR had grown so powerful...

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:00:53 2017 No.17718164 >>17718147 >LN >OCR Good post.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:00:58 2017 No.17718165 >>17718147 What does this do that KanjiTomo didn't do years ago?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:01:29 2017 No.17718166 >>17718165 It saves.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:02:52 2017 No.17718169 File: 38 KB, 225x350, 223473.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This girl learned Japanese without Anki. Why can't you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:03:07 2017 No.17718170 >>17718169 i can

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:03:54 2017 No.17718173

>>17718169
You can learn Japanese by going to Japan and just sitting around until you absorb everything by osmosis, though it'll take a solid decade. Why don't you do that? Don't ask anyone for help or for a speaking partner, by the way. You can learn without help, so why don't you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:04:04 2017 No.17718174 >>17718123 Yeah, but some mod or janitor deleted the post: >>/jp/thread/17711739#p17714645 Dunno why since they didn't take any issue with my posts in the 3 previous threads where I posted about the deck much more extensively than I did in this one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:05:58 2017 No.17718181 >>17718169 おねえちゃんならできるよ

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:07:05 2017 No.17718187 >>17718147 Just open it in your browser and use yomichan, no need for that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:09:36 2017 No.17718195 >>17718187 yomichan doesn't work on scans

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:11:01 2017 No.17718201 >>17718195 >scan of text Keep it up, anon!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:11:35 2017 No.17718205 >>17718201 yeah this might surprise you since you literally don't read but a lot of ln rips are scans and not text

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:18:33 2017 No.17718232

>>17718205
Yeah, Nip and weeaboo uploaders are sometimes retarded, it can be hard to find them uploaded in a text format. You can buy almost everything in a text format though, and LNs are like 5USD, so don't be a cheap bitch. Just buy, use automatic de-DRM and upload them for others.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:19:04 2017 No.17718235 >>17718174 Thanks! Yeah I'm not sure why. It should be updated in the cornucopia with that version indeed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:19:12 2017 No.17718237 >>17718232 my bank blocks foreign stores lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:22:04 2017 No.17718243 >>17718237 Please be for real. What if you want to import anything or buy anything during your holidays abroad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:23:03 2017 No.17718248 >>17718243 i'm too poor to have holidays abroad, get a grip

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:39:49 2017 No.17718311 >>17718174 >Dunno why Take a look at the images you used.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 18:46:53 2017 No.17718329 >>17718235 done

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:07:19 2017 No.17718382 What will I be able to do once I've learnt the fundamental 2000 kanji?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:09:28 2017 No.17718388 >>17718382 Remember actual vocabulary a little better

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:17:29 2017 No.17718406

>>17718311
Eh, so that was it. I guess it was technically avatarfagging, but it's not like I was doing it for the sake of creating a personality and attentionwhoring (which the rule exists to address), it was just a temporary means of giving people an easy way of spotting my posts about the deck since there were no flags relating to the cards I was adding at that point.

The mod/janitor could've at least left the announcement post up and just deleted the image if the image was the problem. I'm not inconvenienced at all by that post being deleted, it's people like >>17718123 who were interested in the deck who were punished. It would've made more sense to just delete the images and ban me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:21:57 2017 No.17718421 >>17718406 >but it's not like I was doing it for the sake of creating a personality and attentionwhoring That doesn't really matter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:29:51 2017 No.17718450 >>17718169 morning anti-ankikun, have you learned japanese yet

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:33:37 2017 No.17718457 whats an easy to read light novel?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:38:30 2017 No.17718480 >>17718457 キノの旅

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:39:30 2017 No.17718486 >>17718480 Already read 2 volumes, want something even easier in terms of setting, not just language. Like really generic easy as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:44:06 2017 No.17718499 >>17718486 Doesn't really get easier than キノの旅 Try a random highschool romcom.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 19:45:27 2017 No.17718501 >>17718450 Is that a new "sakura" as you guys call it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 20:09:50 2017 No.17718577 >>17718169 I already did

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 20:10:33 2017 No.17718580
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>興味が他人のそれよりもずれたところにあるため、壬氏が天女のように美しいと理解していても、一線を引いてみている。
Can't understand much what comes before ため. Is it something like "for the sake of separating her interest from other people's"?

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 20:31:34 2017 No.17718620

As I browsed through the books in the Library, I noticed that each book has a listing of its ten rarest kanji featured. In the rankings of a certain light novel, I found that the kanji 彊 is only featured four times across all of the books in the entire library. I don't have much of a reason for making this post, but it certainly did baffle me. Why does a kanji like this exist? And why even use it if it shows up that infrequently across a huge number of books, consisting of both trashy LNs and translations of non-Japanese works into the language? Why are there kanji like 彊? Jisho only has it in a single dictionary entry. But on the other hand, google.jp has plenty of results for it. Is it really just a coincidence that it shows up so infrequently in the DJT library? Am I just being tricked by an incomplete statistic (it's hard to imagine the stat is accurate)? Why the kanji 彊? Why are there other kanji that are also that rare? Do native speakers encounter such a rare kanji and know what to do with it? It's certainly not presented with furigana, which is weird if it really is as rare as it is. And the work itself has furigana all over the place, so it's not really the case that furigana would be out of place.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 20:33:00 2017 No.17718623

>>17718329
Thanks.

Could you also update the "Info" link to the deleted post from with this with the updated list of contents? If people follow the reply chain from there, they can find all the posts from the earlier threads about the deck, but the reverse isn't true.

>>/jp/thread/17711739#p17714645

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 20:55:33 2017 No.17718685 I don't think I'm gonna make it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:06:32 2017 No.17718704 >>17718685 You don't think? I'm sure I'm not gonna.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:20:44 2017 No.17718751 >>17718457 all of them. 中学生 can read them

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:58:55 2017 No.17718877 >>17718751 ..and they have like 10+ years experience with the language.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:05:58 2017 No.17718894 What do you guys think of the forever fluent guy saying he knows Japanese?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:18:34 2017 No.17718922 >>17716485 >Any success stories on /djt/? Me desu

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:44:32 2017 No.17718981

>>17718620
>Do native speakers encounter such a rare kanji and know what to do with it?
Not a native speaker but I'm weeb enough to be Japanese. It's often for Japanese people to see kanji they don't know and just skip by assuming its meaning from context, much like we do with words we don't know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:55:17 2017 No.17719010 >>17718877 Yet they, unlike high school students, could struggle reading material of actual literary merit!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:00:40 2017 No.17719020 >>17719010 > actual literary merit! 99% of faggots who talk like this never read more than necessary to fill out their /lit/ 3x3.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:02:36 2017 No.17719029 >>17719020 bookshelves are for showing off woodpulp and ink anyway, not books one has read

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:13:06 2017 No.17719240

>>17718620
https://kanji.neocities.org/subete.html
There are more kanji than stars in the universe, and all that.

Many of them were simplified while many simply naturally feel out of usage. The Japanese government has been pushing a general usage list and trying to limit the range of kanji used in various media and teaching materials, which also brings about certain biases in the memetic selection part of the language.
彊 can be found as one of the kanji tested in the second highest level of 漢検 and can be found using readings similar to 強、so while it is a much rarer kanji than others, it still isn't part of the pool of thousands of extant characters around which do not even fall into the 6000 odd characters which can be tested in the national kanji exam.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:18:24 2017 No.17719252 >>17718580 猫猫 swings the other way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:31:07 2017 No.17719296 >>17712238 >momo will never kiss you why the FUCK are you still alive bros

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:51:42 2017 No.17719362 >>17719240 I see, I see. That's a very helpful explanation, thank you for taking the time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:56:40 2017 No.17719394 >>17718620 Why do we have "robust", "mighty", "Herculean", and "strapping"? Why isn't just "strong" enough?

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:58:57 2017 No.17719401

>>17719394
I really doubt any of those are anywhere near as rare as "single piece of a single word that only shows up four times out off hundreds and hundreds of books," though. I'm not complaining about words that ultimately mean the same thing despite having different nuance, I'm talking about the sheer rarity of this particular one.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:13:28 2017 No.17719458

>>17719401
It existed to begin with because the word "strong" existed in Chinese before they started writing, and a variety of characters with a phonetic radical something like "kang" and a semantic radical related to physical force (ironically, standard theory is that 彊's semantic radical is 弓 because drawing a bow, but 強's semantic radical is 虫 because silk or shells.)

彊 also at one point referred specifically to strong bows. So it might be used specifically for a weapon. But most likely it's just pretense, and relying on the fact that at a glance 彊 would likely be mistaken for 強.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:19:10 2017 No.17719479 File: 910 KB, 480x272, Untitled.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17716349 This isn't the snarky-ass reply I was expecting

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:43:04 2017 No.17719528 >>17718147 Thanks, I really like that it externalizes OCR so you could in principle code in whatever image pre-processing steps before tesseract does its thing

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:45:14 2017 No.17719535 >>17718205 I think the bigger problem is that the scans are often too low res to read easily, let alone OCR reliably

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:09:10 2017 No.17719614 How can I set anki to spam me my previous cards and once I'm done repeating those give me my new cards of the day

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:13:30 2017 No.17719627 >>17719614 Tools->Preferences Change "Mix new cards and reviews" to "Show new cards after reviews"

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:13:40 2017 No.17719628 >>17719614 Set new cards to zero, finish reviews, open deck back up, click custom study at the bottom of the screen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:14:37 2017 No.17719634 >>17719627 >>17719628 Thank you very much

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:20:43 2017 No.17719864 Is there any way to change the font size of the text-box in ITH?

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:39:52 2017 No.17719895

Hey guys this sounds terribly autistic, but what do you think of pronouncing を as 'wo'?

Been thinking of playing around with pronounciation/accents lately, I don't want to sound too foreign so I thought "spicing" it up might make it seem like I've had practice speaking, maybe with some japanese with a regional accent

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:40:06 2017 No.17719896 >>17719535 >I think the bigger problem is that the scans are often too low res to read easily LN and novel scans tend to be great for reading. Would you mind posting an example of what you think a bad scan is?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:40:26 2017 No.17719899 >>17719864 Yes, edit the code to make the text bigger and compile the modified version yourself

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:42:44 2017 No.17719904 >>17719895 >I don't want to sound too foreign too bad

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:54:06 2017 No.17719922 >>17719528 Not him but you're welcome. It's a pain to set up but it makes the program a lot more flexible and futureproof.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:01:33 2017 No.17719937

>>17718311
Rather silly, considering the meido is perfectly happy with some retard roleplaying as a little Japanese girl every thread while allowing the resident shitposter to go nuts. A bit of consistency in moderation wouldn't hurt. If they are going to enforce the rules, they really ought enforce all of them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:13:38 2017 No.17719966 Today, I learned you can put a marker in whatever book you're reading in the library by pressing "B" on your keyboard, and the next time you load that book's page, it'll jump you right to that spot. The future really is now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:30:38 2017 No.17720006 >>17712686 Why don't you guys use kanji?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:34:28 2017 No.17720018 File: 174 KB, 736x736, 0c8d3e4ac7588d91b6ff19a38f699b3a--gourmet-tableware.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 箸置きです

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:37:09 2017 No.17720021 >>17720018 お化けざます

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:38:46 2017 No.17720027 >>17720018 リスじゃんかわいいじゃん

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:12:58 2017 No.17720283 Is there any way to learn vocabulary in a more structured setting than Anki? Like how Genki had a list of new words every chapter I just don't know how to get all the words I need in an efficient way

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:17:44 2017 No.17720295 >>17720283 Never used genki but having fun while studying probably helps your retention.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:18:09 2017 No.17720297 >>17720283 >I just don't know how to get all the words I need in an efficient way Find native content that interests you and then look at it. There will be plenty of words right there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:18:49 2017 No.17720300 >>17720027 りすでつうじるといいのにえいごSquirrelをはつおんできないし

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:21:49 2017 No.17720309

>>17720295
I don't have a problem with remembering words I've come across before, I have a problem with discovering new words.

>>17720297
I have been doing that, but there are still all sorts of common and daily words that I'm missing purely by chance, and who knows when I'll finally find them

Would it be worthwhile to invest in some vocab workbooks from Japan?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:35:20 2017 No.17720347 File: 75 KB, 591x355, P1000570-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] けほけほするばふぁりんのむ

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:35:57 2017 No.17720349

>>17720309
>I don't have a problem with remembering words I've come across before, I have a problem with discovering new words.
My bad. Maybe try games you've played as a child and replay them in japanese. Read sadpanda or find interesting VNs. I am sure there is a lot of material out there which contain words you don't know yet.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:39:37 2017 No.17720352

>>17719895
In any language it's better to start speaking late than early. You should get a lot of input before you start pronouncing words or saying sentences. The more familiar your ear is with how a certain language sounds, the more you'll notice your mispronunciations.
My father was forced to speak Spanish to communicate with his coworkers even though he had little knowledge of the language and now his pronunciation sucks major ass even though he has no problem understanding Spanish.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:49:44 2017 No.17720369 >>17720352 ぶんぽうがちがいすぎるとみみからおぼえにくいかもしれないけどそれでもみみからおぼえるほうがはやいとおもうよ

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:07:41 2017 No.17720402 バファリンのんでネクロダンサーやればきっとあしたはげんき

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:10:30 2017 No.17720410 >>17720352 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZCpcPEWww8

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:17:17 2017 No.17720432 >>17720347 アスピリンよね

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:18:31 2017 No.17720436 Can someone translate this? The UTW-Mazui subs are missing the line. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ15iReb44U

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:20:07 2017 No.17720441 >>17720436 >>>/wsr/

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:21:39 2017 No.17720445 >>17720436 何か急用だったのかな Wait for somebody more experienced than me who can verify this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:22:59 2017 No.17720450 >>17720445 that what i heard, yeah

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:23:33 2017 No.17720453 >>17720445 Thanks, that fits.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:37:39 2017 No.17720485

>>17720410
Fluency is not the same as pronouncing well.
My parents are fluent in Spanish, but their pronunciation is crap and they make lots of small grammatical mistakes because nobody ever bothered to correct them and because they only interact with Spanish during their jobs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKrsaEs51jM
He sounds foreign and makes mistakes. I simply can't take this guy too seriously. He is right when he says that you must speak a lot and your interaction must be meaningful, but you shouldn't start speaking as soon as you can.

Speaking to yourself also doesn't help you with becoming fluent in a language. I've been talking to myself in English every day for the past 4-5 years, yet that has done little to help my fluency when talking to another person. I think the reason why is that, when you speak to yourself, you know what you're going to say next or where the conversation is going. However, when you speak to somebody else, you have no idea what they're going to say. That unknown is what tests your fluency.

The only thing speaking to yourself and starting to speak as soon as possible without any help does is that it embeds your errors.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 10:35:28 2017 No.17720863 "Remembering the Kana" doesn't teach about WE and WI. Why is that? Are they not used anymore?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 10:37:52 2017 No.17720869 >>17720863 The sounds merged into え and い hundreds of years ago (maybe even 1,000 years ago, can't remember exactly) so the characters are obsolete.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 10:40:30 2017 No.17720874 >>17720869 Worth noting that e was in free variation with ye in some contexts, which gives us yen and yebisu, even though Japanese never ever had a ye syllable.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 10:40:57 2017 No.17720875

>>17720869
Oh yeah, that said, I think they were still in use (the same way that English spellings which were once phonetic but now aren't are still in use) up until the end of WW2, and some pretentious assholes still use them in the titles of fictional works and such.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 10:52:50 2017 No.17720886 >>17718580 help?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 11:26:33 2017 No.17720969 >>17720886 Just read more.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 11:39:25 2017 No.17721006 >>17718580 ため can also mark a cause or reason like 故

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 12:06:40 2017 No.17721087 >>17718580 I drew a line as stout as my mind -- which was on the brink of being swept away by Jinshi's sheer beauty -- allowed me to, for well did I know that her interests lied in spheres most people dared not approach.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 12:08:29 2017 No.17721090 >>17720875 Don't forget about the hipster artists putting them in their names

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 12:26:56 2017 No.17721134 >>17721090 In their legal names? Is that even allowed?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 12:29:42 2017 No.17721143 >>17721134 Their artist names Dunno if they'd let you name your kid ヰッル or something

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 12:38:22 2017 No.17721171 File: 347 KB, 500x566, 1486681943676.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] how does one acquire a Japanese friend?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 12:51:42 2017 No.17721204 >>17717996 I dare to guess that majority of these people haven't read single LN in their life so it doesn't really mean much.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 12:51:51 2017 No.17721206 How do you force Windows' Jap input to default to hiragana instead of romaji?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 12:55:39 2017 No.17721219 >>17721206 iirc you don't

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 12:57:52 2017 No.17721226 >>17721219 >>17721206 bult alt+tab and alt+~ isn't so hard so whaterver also it remembers on a by program basis until you reboot

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 12:59:53 2017 No.17721228 >>17721171 Have you tried entering random Japanese discords

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:09:46 2017 No.17721257 is it just me or is it very simple to acquire comprehensiveness in Japanese reading in relatively short period of time? the meme about it being difficult is mostly about various scripts and learning the initial kanji, right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:10:21 2017 No.17721259 >>17721257 it's very easy to acquire a very basic reading ability in japanese

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:11:01 2017 No.17721263 >>17721226 alt tab is for switching windows windows indeed lacks some swift way to change from romaji to hiragana and back from hiragana to romaji

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:11:53 2017 No.17721267 >>17721228 do you know any? how would I find them?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:12:41 2017 No.17721269 >>17721263 Sorry meant alt+shift

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:16:34 2017 No.17721278

>>17721269
alt-shift switches between languages like: English - German - Japanese

but when you actually switch to Japanese IME the default script may be Romaji, so it's hardly a solution since switching between English and IME with its default 'English script' may render it useless

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:16:37 2017 No.17721279 >>17721269 cont For switching language, alt+~ for switching from alphanumeric to hiragana iirc there was also something for katakana, but I just cycle up (to cycle to the last entry, it's kata in most cased)

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:18:16 2017 No.17721282 >>17721278 see >>17721279

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:18:40 2017 No.17721284 >>17721282 >cont

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:19:06 2017 No.17721286 >>17721257 Hovering over words with Rikai is not "comprehensiveness in Japanese reading".

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:19:40 2017 No.17721289 >>17721284 What's wrong, cunt?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:21:22 2017 No.17721291 >>17721263 Doesn't ctrl-caps lock and shift-caps lock do that?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:22:54 2017 No.17721295 >>17721291 On my system it does.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:24:35 2017 No.17721302 Is the amount of rare or really context-sensitive kanji compounds spoken by VN and anime characters indicative of how often people use them IRL? How can I improve my listening in order to pick up those words better?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:26:52 2017 No.17721306 >>17721291 Thanks man, easier to hit than alt+~

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:29:08 2017 No.17721314 >>17721291 THIS works however why would they implement such an unintuitive shortcut for christ's sake tapping both caps and shift gives me cancer

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:40:39 2017 No.17721343 >>17721267 google 「"discord.gg" "´<japanese word>"」

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:43:13 2017 No.17721350 File: 54 KB, 483x1843, 123.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] post your grids

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:48:22 2017 No.17721360 File: 121 KB, 483x1870, grid.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17721350

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:50:12 2017 No.17721369 File: 291 KB, 879x3452, dick.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17721350

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:54:39 2017 No.17721379 >>17721360 >>17721369 how much time did it take?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 13:58:49 2017 No.17721387 >>17721379 714 days so far for >>17721369

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:01:10 2017 No.17721395 >>17721387 is 2k basic kanji enough to read light novels? you seem to have gone way beyond it

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:05:01 2017 No.17721409 File: 131 KB, 483x2489, グリッド.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17721350 ぼちぼちでんな

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:05:44 2017 No.17721413

>>17721395
2000 kanji is enough to cover a lot of VNs, but it's not the same 2000 kanji.

That said, two things:

1) Kanji don't matter. Words do. Words are merely written with kanji.
2) Tou shouldn't worry about the last few percent points of comprehension. 95% is basically enough to read anything and only need to use a dictionary once or twice per scene.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:07:35 2017 No.17721417 >>17721409 >>17721360 what order are you guys following, why don't you have some kanji that even I've covered here >>17721350 ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:08:17 2017 No.17721420 >>17721395 That's when things start to get comfortable, but you'll still encounter new kanji pretty often. I doubt anyone could be fully satisfied with just that. Anyway kanji get easier to learn and after a while hunting new ones becomes fun.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:11:39 2017 No.17721429
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>>17721395
Other guy here
Sadly I'm too lazy for anki these days, but I'm basically able to read web novels while understanding all but 0-3 words per chapter anyway.
Muramasa is more of a struggle than it has to be, but eh

>>17721417
Because I mined different stuff? idk
Here's my core deck

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:11:50 2017 No.17721431 >>17721413 Do you see VNs mentioned anywhere in the post you responded to? Don't vomit out advice you don't understand if you can't even bother putting in the effort to read the posts you are responding to.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:12:13 2017 No.17721434

>>17721417
What order? What do you mean?
If you mean the grid, I sorted by None/score rather than the default, so that's why it looked different.
If you mean the new kanji, that's because I've mined some myself. That anon with over 3000 also obviously mined quite a few of his own, because I doubt even the 10k deck has 3000 unique kanji.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:12:53 2017 No.17721435

>>17721431
>Do you see VNs mentioned anywhere in the post you responded to?
No, I don't.

>Don't vomit out advice you don't understand if you can't even bother putting in the effort to read the posts you are responding to.
Apparently I understood it and the subject matter it was about better than you. There's nothing at all special about the writing in VNs or LNs except for LNs being more mainstream.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:13:42 2017 No.17721438 >>17721431 Don't bother commenting if all you have to say is dumb shit like that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:16:39 2017 No.17721449 every time 毎年　comes up i read it as まいねん、 but anki says it's まいとし　is this one of the cases like 四　is よん　or し　and it's ok if i read まいねん?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:18:51 2017 No.17721457 >>17721449 まいねん is an accepted alternative reading, so yes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:22:46 2017 No.17721472 >>17721435 Don't listen to him. I asked the question and found the answer satisfying - as you said whether it's VNs or anything else the language is usually the same throughout the mediums.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:24:02 2017 No.17721474 >>17721472 I wouldn't say it's the same, there's just way more variation within a medium than between them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:35:59 2017 No.17721506 File: 199 KB, 483x3693, 14m.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17721350

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:45:20 2017 No.17721532 File: 113 KB, 1030x504, no_elo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:54:03 2017 No.17721560 File: 14 KB, 231x231, 1479856220944.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17721532

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 14:58:29 2017 No.17721572 File: 780 KB, 1425x3276, 100days.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I reached a 100 days in Anki, finally reached the porn scene in my mining deck, and finished reviews in less than 60 minutes. Feels good.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 15:11:55 2017 No.17721612 >>17721572 What ecchi words have you mined, anon?

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 15:36:23 2017 No.17721701
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Japanese seems to have a lot of vocabulary.
I mean, they have a lot of seemingly retarded compound words like 新車 or 魔王.
Are there any articles backing up or rebbuting my claim?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 15:46:47 2017 No.17721736 >>17721701 this game looks spooky is there a lot of quality Jap adventure point-n-click games?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 15:50:28 2017 No.17721760 File: 687 KB, 1280x720, 1488370659120.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How many VNs to fluency?

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 15:52:27 2017 No.17721769

>>17721736
Not that anon, but that's Yu-No. If you haven't played it, you need to before you die. It's a masterpiece that no other point n click adventure game can touch. As for other games like it, I feel like there are quite a few that have the same kind of look.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 16:12:35 2017 No.17721823 >>17721769 Don't forget the music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CksDGYA9DUQ Eve is by the same company, and has music by umemoto. >>17721736 You should play Yu-No ASAP.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 16:23:30 2017 No.17721857 おはようおにいちゃんあさぼらけきのうのつきのあきぬまに

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 16:32:09 2017 No.17721879 >>17721572 Good news anon: You can learn Japanese

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 16:32:26 2017 No.17721881 >>17721857 何

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 16:33:11 2017 No.17721882 >>17721760 I went from Hanahira to Flyable Heart to Dies Irae to Muramasa and I guess I'm fluent now

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 16:34:13 2017 No.17721885 >>17721769 Isn't it also the #1 all time entry on EGS?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 16:46:23 2017 No.17721930 What're you guys thoughts on memrise?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 16:47:53 2017 No.17721936 >>17721882 I thought those were supposed to be really hard. Did you really just go straight from Flyable Heart? How well did you understand them?

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 16:54:34 2017 No.17721969

>>17721936
With Dies Irae there were a lot of times where I had to look at a sentence for 10 minutes until I understood it, but the vocabulary isn't too meme. The references were fairly easy to catch on to as well, which couldn't be said of Muramasa, which is full of vocabulary you'll never see again in your life and references to fucking ancient Noh plays and shit
Still, if you put in the effort to understand them and tackle them in that order you should have gotten a good grasp on them by the time you finish their first routes

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 17:01:04 2017 No.17721990 ねむいがっこーいきたくない

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 17:03:05 2017 No.17721995 >>17721882 Did you mine with anki or something? Did you use any hooker for the text?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 17:15:59 2017 No.17722041 がっこーでねてこよーっと

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 17:16:29 2017 No.17722043

>>17721995
Firefox html hooker and mined with rikai into anki, yeah
I got pretty lazy with anki around the start of the third route for Dies Irae, but I recommend you stick to doing your reps and 20 new cards a day. Also, use your keyboard for the buttons, not your mouse, for fast mode.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 17:20:15 2017 No.17722053

>>17721701
>>17721823
nice im just in time for the yu-no chat
im holding all 15 flopping disks in my hand right now like playing cards thinking man they just dont make them like they used to

once youve learned your tyler kims and mastered ehons and are a shonen manga professional i also agree you should go on the epic yu-no adventure

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 17:40:50 2017 No.17722112 >>17722043 So you stopped playing when you reached 20 cards? What hooker software do you guys use nowadays? AGTH? Also, do you have a link for the japanese version of the game? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 17:41:06 2017 No.17722113 >stop masturbating for 2 days >exponential increase in study hours + very high motivation t-the meme was real guys

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 18:00:55 2017 No.17722163 When I'm reading VNs as study material, should I reread the common route as I go? I feel like it'd be a decent way to make sure I'm actually learning the vocab that I'm mining.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 18:02:32 2017 No.17722172 >>17722053 can u post a pic of them please i need them for.... reference

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 18:03:21 2017 No.17722174

>>17722112
>So you stopped playing when you reached 20 cards?
Not sure what you mean
I finished all of them, but while reading Dies Irae I got lazy with anki and started only doing the reps without adding new cards, until I eventually stopped doing reps as well

ITHVNR here, never had any problems so far

Since the nyaa incident a while ago vns have gotten harder to find, but the knock-off nyaas should have them. Alternatively find your way into AnimeBytes and try there. Just make sure that you get the amantes amentes version for Dies if you plan on reading that, the older acta est fabula version lacks some of the best scenes in the story

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 18:04:55 2017 No.17722180 >>17722163 No, you'll see whether you're actually learning the vocab you're mining as it comes up in the new text you read If it doesn't come up then evidently it's not that important and suffering an additional lapse in anki won't be a big deal

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 18:30:02 2017 No.17722277 >>17722113 >stopping masturbating >not just masturbating in japanese

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 18:33:06 2017 No.17722287 >>17721612 勃起焦らす満足奴隷萎える

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 18:41:38 2017 No.17722318 >>17721930 Haven't heard of it. Just about finished with all off Duolingo's lessons though, so I'll be looking for something fresh.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 18:47:47 2017 No.17722339 >>17722318 Well give it a try bud :)

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 18:49:23 2017 No.17722346

>>17722174
Thanks for taking your time.
I meant to ask if you stopped your gaming sessions when you reached 20 new cards. If you called it a day when you reached that number.
Trying to download the game from Perfect Dark but it's not starting atm but can't probably get an account on animebytes due to having third world internet speeds.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 18:51:47 2017 No.17722353 File: 57 KB, 491x490, 1486988469417.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17722318 >Duolingo

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 18:52:08 2017 No.17722354 >>17722346 Is AB doing recruitment on their website through their application system thing still? That's how I got my account a few years ago, and they either didn't ask or didn't care that my speeds were as shit as they were then.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 18:53:50 2017 No.17722361 >>17722346 Just go to sukebei

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 18:55:27 2017 No.17722366 >>17722361 This. I've never seen anything on AB that Sukebei didn't have. That's not to say that Sukebei has everything, but neither does AB.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 18:59:15 2017 No.17722376

>>17722346
Oh, no I mined a lot more than I could do in a single day. Like, the first week of Dies/Muramasa I mined around 300 words and even when I was still doing 20+ new cards a day I had a backlog of 500+; I just read as much as I felt like, then/before that/during reading breaks did my reps

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:01:28 2017 No.17722387 File: 228 KB, 1920x1080, 1506460458118.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17722318 >Duolingo

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:02:05 2017 No.17722390 >>17722361 >>17722366 Are you talking about the nyaa clone? I've been there and there was no japanese dies irae torrent.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:05:22 2017 No.17722400 >>17722390 nvm there was no info on the torrent for some reason but it's downloading.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:06:21 2017 No.17722404

>>17722390
You have to click the "Fap" link to get to sukebei. That's where 99.9% of VNs get uploaded to, even the non-porn ones.

Also, when searching VNs there, you should search the Japanese title. Dies Irae is a bit of an exception since it has a non-Japanese title, but with most other VNs you won't find them if you don't search for the original Japanese title.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:09:21 2017 No.17722412 >>17722353 >>17722387 I browse /a/ too :D

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:12:34 2017 No.17722419 File: 518 KB, 719x754, 1497235189163.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17722412

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:15:24 2017 No.17722428 File: 426 KB, 997x781, 1502525817855.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17722412 no bully

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:15:44 2017 No.17722429 >>17722419 Cool "Eigo" as we call it there bro!

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:19:39 2017 No.17722441 File: 42 KB, 358x373, 1497234660243.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17722429

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:22:20 2017 No.17722447 >>17722429 something something ironic shitposting something something kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:25:13 2017 No.17722453 >>17722447 something something couldn't get the deeper meaning something something fuckk off to /a/

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:26:45 2017 No.17722459 >>17722447 >>17722441 >>17722453 >>17722429 >>17722428 >>17722419 something something i don't like these posts something something >>>/int/ /bros/ something something

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:27:43 2017 No.17722463 >>17722447 かくかくおにいちゃん怒ってんの？爆笑しかじか

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:28:45 2017 No.17722469 >>17722459 /cringe/

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:29:26 2017 No.17722474 >>17722469 B)

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:31:01 2017 No.17722479 >>17722463 云々然々手うが珍紛漢紛

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:35:46 2017 No.17722495 >>17722479 おにいちゃんがそういうならそうなんだろうね

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:49:15 2017 No.17722539 Speaking of Dies Irae, wasn't it supposed to be untranslatable?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:52:28 2017 No.17722548 黄色人は大好き

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:54:44 2017 No.17722558 I just can't get the kana in my head any tips?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:55:32 2017 No.17722560 File: 17 KB, 229x173, 1496320776285.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >not listening to japanese radio and podcasts whenever you're not reading or listening to anything else in japanese

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 19:58:52 2017 No.17722569 >>17722539 im pretty sure the movie bubble boy starring jake gyllenhaal is a line by line adaptation of dies irae >>17722548 人の肌の色なんて関係ない

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 20:01:13 2017 No.17722577 >>17722560 Dekinai! Laughed out loud.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 20:08:47 2017 No.17722609 >>17722560 >not watching anime 24/7

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 20:10:54 2017 No.17722617 >>17722339 Tried it. Kind of hokey. Not nearly as good as Duolingo so far, and after spamming me with an ad for a 60$ a year subscription, they dropped it to 30$ 5 minutes later. Really not impressed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 20:14:00 2017 No.17722626 >>17722539 I think you're probably thinking of Muramasa.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 20:17:44 2017 No.17722642 >>17722539 i think youre prolly thinking of hanahiraっ

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 20:18:49 2017 No.17722647 >>17722642 >っ LITERALLY UNTRANSLATABLE

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 20:23:42 2017 No.17722661 >>17722647 It’s just ‘tsu’ tho?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 20:24:11 2017 No.17722662 >>17722647 well i dont see this every day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDgD-2f-zjs

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 20:30:00 2017 No.17722677 >>17722569 >人の肌の色なんて関係ないいいえ。黒人は人間じゃない

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 20:36:49 2017 No.17722691 >フィルムの向こうに流れる黒の風景はあまりに不思議で、この車の中と連続してるなんてとても思えなかった。 I don't understand 連絡 here, but if I'm guessing, is it talking about an unchanging landscape (because of the black windows)?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 20:47:08 2017 No.17722727 >>17722677 それについてもう少し詳しく教えてくれないかな >>17722691 hes talking about shit bein trippy as fuck do you know what フィルムの向こう is

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 20:47:53 2017 No.17722731 >>17722677 >>>/ポール/

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 20:52:19 2017 No.17722738 >>17722727 I'm assuming it's just talking about the other side of the film window, am I wrong? Just going by this interpretation since 黒のフィルム加工の施されたウィンドウ was described earlier.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 20:57:45 2017 No.17722756 File: 292 KB, 1080x624, Screenshot_20171005-084947.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >がは Typo, or secret Japanese slang?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 21:00:52 2017 No.17722765 >>17722756 Typo.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 21:01:27 2017 No.17722768 >>17722756 Secret Japanese slang

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 21:09:31 2017 No.17722786 >>17722756 Why the fuck would that be a typo?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 21:40:16 2017 No.17722896 Am I retarded or are most of the manga at shinmoemanga dot neocities from the guide all corrupted

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 22:12:00 2017 No.17723007 File: 151 KB, 463x381, mm77etO.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is that て the quotation mark って and they forgot the っ or something? What am I missing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 22:17:45 2017 No.17723035 >>17723007 It's just an abbreviation. https://kotobank.jp/word/%E3%81%A6-573101

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 22:23:11 2017 No.17723065 do people usually write 友だち or 友達? i've seen a lot of the former and not a lot of the latter

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 22:23:58 2017 No.17723068 File: 431 KB, 500x697, 1500447882787.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17711739 What's up with the default dictionary in rikaisama listing the most commong readings always last?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 22:26:01 2017 No.17723080 >>17723065 That's weird. I've almost never seen the former and almost only seen the latter.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 22:27:02 2017 No.17723084 >>17723068 It's random as far as I can tell, the dictionary doesn't contain reading frequency information.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 22:29:27 2017 No.17723097 >>17723084 Are there any better dictionaries in this regard? I find that really bothersome to be honest.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 22:30:32 2017 No.17723104

>>17723035
>someone posts a link to a full Japanese dictionary to answer a beginner level question
Did you stop to think for a second that someone with that level of question is not gonna be able to read that? That being said, considering where we are and the kind of people who frequent this place, it's likely that's the exact reason you did it.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 22:37:37 2017 No.17723130
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A long time ago, I waited ages and ages for new chapters of this manga. Eventually scans completely stopped. After only a few months of learning Japanese, I can get through it pretty easily without looking up many words, and the grammar is simple too. I guess it helps that a good 90% of it is just the characters running away from monsters while screaming. Anyway, it feels cool to read this easily. That's my blog post for today.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 22:38:08 2017 No.17723132

>>17723104
It's a source for my answer. In any case, anyone could understand the gist of
>《助詞「って」が「ん」で終わる語に付く場合に用いられる》
>［係助］「って」に同じ。「山田さんていい人ね」「それはいかんて、もう遅いよ」

even if they just hovered every word with Rikai. There's no reason for beginners to actively avoid Japanese sources.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 22:45:20 2017 No.17723158 >>17723084 it's actually supposed to be ordered from most applicable to least applicable, in jmdict proper

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 22:47:53 2017 No.17723165 >>17723158 but the first one is always the rarest reading, what do you mean by most applicable?

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 22:49:58 2017 No.17723176

>>17723130
>A long time ago, I waited ages and ages for new chapters of this manga.
That was partly why I started learning Japanese too. Well, not for that manga specifically, but there were a bunch I was reading where the scanlators just dropped them half way through, and there were others where the scanlation was so slow that it was multiple volumes behind the original manga. I haven't actually tried reading any of them yet though.

I wonder why scanlation groups are so unreliable compared to fansub groups... not that there are many of those left anymore.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 22:54:02 2017 No.17723197 >>17723176 Because anime > manga. Also, some fansub groups are slacking too.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 22:56:26 2017 No.17723210
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>>17723176
Well, the way I see it, scanlation is way more work intensive than subbing. With subtitles, you just listen and translate, and then all that's left is to time the script to the audio and release it. With scanlations, you have to manually erase text off of a page with image editing software, you have to redraw stuff, and you have to make sure you can fit what you need in the word bubbles without it looking bad and without having to cut stuff out. For example, on this two page spread, a lot of scanlation groups would want the pages to be properly stitched together, which means redrawing everything in that little median. And even to remove just the んだ at the bottom there would be a lot of work. It's overall just way more work.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 22:57:30 2017 No.17723215
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>>17723210
And you might say "hey that all sounds pretty pointless why not just do a rush job to get the manga out" but then you get scans like this that just aren't fun to read.

>>17723197
I think manga>anime anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 23:02:01 2017 No.17723231 >>17723210 They should keep the japanese text, add a white margin to the bottom of the page and put the translations there with keynotes referencing back to the proper spot on the page ;)

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 23:02:50 2017 No.17723234 >>17723210 Two-page spreads like that are rare, and there's no reason you have to erase that text there. You could just create an artificial margin and put the translation of the line there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 23:07:07 2017 No.17723261 >>17723065 友だち is a valid way to write it and I see it a lot, probably because me and >>17723080 read different media.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 23:10:00 2017 No.17723276
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>>17723234
They show up more often in monthly manga than in weekly manga. The first volume of ハカイジュウ alone has about 20 2-page spreads in it. Which is a lot of work for translators to bother with when all the dialogue is basically "oh shit monsters run!" "the southern exit is blocked!" "uwahhhh there's bodies everywhere!" and stuff that you basically don't even need to understand.

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 00:03:11 2017 No.17723469

>>17721701
>>17721769
>>17721823
So after listening the music while doing some study and checking what it was all about I already feel compelled to read this. Thanks for the heads-up, guess I'm not knowledgeable at all with this kind of media yet to know all about these good stuff.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 00:10:37 2017 No.17723487 >>17723469 >Thanks for the heads-up, guess I'm not knowledgeable at all with this kind of media yet to know all about these good stuff. It's one of the top results on VNDB if you sort the entire database of over 21,000 VNs by score.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 00:23:30 2017 No.17723525 File: 91 KB, 800x1244, ③.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17711739 Hmm.

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 00:48:07 2017 No.17723595

I just installed Yomichan but I can't import dictionaries. It says "database not initialized" in a red box in the "Dictionary" section of the configuration. Restarting Firexfox and clicking the "purge the database" link has no effect.

Any suggestions? Googling doesn't help.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 00:56:57 2017 No.17723616 Does Yomichan have any J-J dictionaries?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 01:13:52 2017 No.17723666 >>17723595 >>17723616 Ask the developer: https://forum.koohii.com/thread-7074.html

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 01:19:56 2017 No.17723691

Everywhere I look, I get the same shitty low quality raws for the manga I want to read. Is it normal for there to only be one crappy version floating around? Will Amazon.jp let me buy a digital copy that actually looks nice? I found a "set" of volumes 1-19 on amazon.jp, but it's selling for, uh, just 1000 or so yen, so I'm pretty sure that's a scam. There's no way, right?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 01:21:45 2017 No.17723694 >>17723691 And in fact, kindle versions are available, but from the preview it looks to be the same shitty low quality.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 01:41:17 2017 No.17723741 >>17723616 Try reading the site. https://foosoft.net/projects/yomichan-import/

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 01:44:02 2017 No.17723746 >>17723691 Rakuten doesn't have the same resolution restrictions Amazon enforces, and their 864円 volumes tend to be high quality. Stripping the Kobo DRM using Calibre is straightforward as well.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 01:52:33 2017 No.17723774 >>17723691 If it isn't a very popular manga then 1000 yen could be possible.

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 01:55:32 2017 No.17723782

>>17723774
It ended up running for 21 volumes, so I feel like it had to at least be decently received. But on the other hand, there were 30+ sellers all listing that same bundle of volumes 1-19... I dunno. Maybe I'll try ordering it, if nothing else than the fact that 1000 yen isn't a very big loss in the event that it ends up being a scam.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 01:55:40 2017 No.17723784 >>17723691 I seem to remember hearing that MATTvsJapan guy on YouTube talk in one of his videos about buying second-hand manga for some stupidly cheap price. It might be legit.

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 02:07:01 2017 No.17723829

>>17723784
Well, I tried looking for the video but I can't find it. Maybe it was someone else's video and I'm just getting confused, but I can't think who else's video it could've been since, as far as I remember, I haven't watched any other YouTube channels about learning Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 02:11:39 2017 No.17723848 >>17723691 >>17723784 I remember this too, but I dont remember the name of that site. I just know it was not amazon. But hey, if it works for amazon too, might as well use it instead.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 02:18:50 2017 No.17723879 File: 205 KB, 585x775, pixel buds.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So, you wasted your time learning Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 02:23:56 2017 No.17723900 >>17723879 >uses babelfish hahhahahahahahahahaha breathes in HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 02:24:11 2017 No.17723902

>>17723879
Is there any field outside of tourism where this would be useful?
Business doesn't want to deal through broken language, books and films already lose enough of their charm through regular translation and no one will let their technical manuals and legalese be translated by a machine

Where would you actually use these?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 02:24:31 2017 No.17723904 >>17723879 >translation no, we really didnt

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 02:26:31 2017 No.17723911 I need help, my dracu riot no longer starts. It worked just fine until a few hours ago, but I had to leave. After reopening it no longer works, someone had a similar problem?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 02:33:57 2017 No.17723946 >>17723911 Nevermind, fixed it by reinstalling.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 02:37:52 2017 No.17723961 >>17723879 That's pretty cool, I'd like to play around with a pair of those while trying out different language Youtube videos to see how it works.

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 02:41:13 2017 No.17723974

>>17723902
Most profession translation is machine assisted and Google has gotten much more accurate with romance and germanic languages, so it could be interesting to see how this technology progresses down the line for basic on the fly communication for similar languages.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 03:30:06 2017 No.17724078 おはようおにいちゃんかみそめたい

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 03:33:55 2017 No.17724088 How heavy do you think the hiragana おはようおにいちゃん posters are? 300 pounds? 450 pounds?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 03:56:12 2017 No.17724111 >>17724088 Imouto is cute, at least she posts in Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 04:01:13 2017 No.17724118 File: 32 KB, 400x400, 勃起.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17722113 >stop masturbating >read eroge >start masturbating

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 04:17:19 2017 No.17724140 >>17724111 >she Go away roleplayer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 04:22:30 2017 No.17724148 とりあえず、生理と便秘の２種類の薬をミューにプレゼントしてみれば完璧じゃないかな？ What is this ミューに supposed to mean?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 04:27:53 2017 No.17724158 >>17724148 Ah, its just a name, sorry.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 04:35:44 2017 No.17724173 >>17724088 It's pretty easy to find out for you since you have direct access to your body.

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 04:46:42 2017 No.17724200

>>17723961
If this thing's speech recognition algorithm is the same one used for Youtube auto-captions, then it wouldn't be very impressive.
Youtube seems better at regognizing English, but even there you can get the occasional screwed-up nouns that throw you off the sentence's actual meaning.
It's a bit weird since Japanese pronunciation seems to be less rich than, say, English, but maybe it's just a lack of effort on Google's part to properly tackle the language (or buy out someone who did).

A real-time translation might be easier on the algorithm, though, since the people having the conversation would speak slowly and rephrase their sentences as necessary to get their meaning through.
For an EOP strolling through Europe, he would be able to communicate on the level of a medium-level speaker with a hearing impediment with no additional effort. The existence of an extensive dictionary at the algorithm's disposal may also mean that people would be able to carry out pretty high-level conversations in niche subjects that they're both familiar with.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 04:59:13 2017 No.17724214 >>17723961 >>17724200 Please discuss translations and travel at special boards meant for those things. I recommend >>>/int/ They even have their own DJT.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 05:45:53 2017 No.17724287 >>17724214 Agreed. This is an anki dick sucking and bashing thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 06:12:29 2017 No.17724337 >>17724088 たいじゅうにポンドってほんとうにつかうの？あたしは１０貫とすこしだよ

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 06:26:45 2017 No.17724368 >>17724287 but not even half the posts in here are about anki

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 08:15:40 2017 No.17724543 こせいのつよいまんががよみたい

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 08:15:40 2017 No.17724544 日本語字幕の新しいビデオ見てください https://youtu.be/QTSxKu9-9Do

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 08:28:17 2017 No.17724577 >>17724544 >Me creen pedófilo >loli No me digas. Nunca me lo hubiera imaginado.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 08:31:38 2017 No.17724582 Kinda new to learning jp, been a goal of mine for a while, only started recently. Read the djt guide, grinded kana and currently doing 2k/6k anki, tae kim and genki I for vocab/grammar. Does this sound like a decent way to learn?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 08:45:36 2017 No.17724614 マジありえない

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 08:57:44 2017 No.17724647 >>17723666 >>17723595 Report on github.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 09:14:44 2017 No.17724702 File: 171 KB, 461x592, b cooru.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17724078 なに色まさか、青い

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 09:30:49 2017 No.17724744 >>17724582 What matters is that you start reading native content as soon as you can and don't turn into a textbook drone.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 09:52:31 2017 No.17724809 >>17724582 >>17724744 Agreed, textbooks are reference material. If you're textbook has activities, worksheets, or questions for you to answer, throw that shit away.

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 09:53:21 2017 No.17724810

>>17724744
in addition leaving this thread immediately is imperative
theres plenty of japanese people to talk to on the internet who can help you with lots of things to really get you enjoying those erogames the way kamisama intended
you just gotta not be afraid

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 10:07:19 2017 No.17724837

>>17724744
>>17724809
>>17724810
should I be reading basic manga even before 2k kanji or basic grammar/vocab? I had planned to slowly slog through some manga after i got through tae kim and genki, around that point i should also know around 2k kanji, is that reasonable or should i just be throwing myself into the deep end?

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 10:12:30 2017 No.17724843

I have a Twitter account that posts nude mods for a certain game, and a nip I follow invited me to join his sekrit club (which presumably shares exclusive nude mods). The problem is that he definitely assumes I'm Japanese since everything I've tweeted is in (simple) Japanese. How should I respond? I can either

1. Accept the invitation and hope my bad Japanese doesn't expose me as not being Japanese.
2. Accept the invitation but say I'm still learning Japanese.
3. Accept the invitation but say I'm mentally retarded so that's why my Japanese is bad.

Not accepting the invitation is not an option since I want those nude mods really bad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 10:17:20 2017 No.17724857 >>17724843 I would personally go with 2, but I don't know anything about the workings of the underworld of nude mods.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 10:21:42 2017 No.17724868 >>17724148 I'm interested. Where is this from?

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 10:23:58 2017 No.17724873

Honestly, I'd suggest trying Duolingo for grammar. It's a fairly basic phone app which isn't very good at explaining concepts, but has a good method for getting things to stick in your head, particularly particles and verb tenses. Much better than Taekim for actually applying concepts, although Taekim is way better at actually explaining things. I mean still read Taekim because there is a lot on contextual stuff there that Duolingo doesn't cover like polite/casual speech and what have you, but Duolibgi is fantastic for being able to tell where words start and end and what's a particle and what's part of a word.

I'd say avoid the deep end as a matter of not wanting to burn out, but you have to push yourself because otherwise you end up grinding flash cards and not figuring out what the fuck you need to actually learn.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 10:27:28 2017 No.17724881 >>17724873 Meant for >>17724837

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 10:29:45 2017 No.17724885 Man, what happened here. I don't know if it's because the linguistics autist had a breakdown and killed himself, but the post quality has gone down to almost /int/ tier.

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 10:30:36 2017 No.17724886

>>17724837

I've been reading ever since I was 500 words into core2k/6k.

Let me try and convince you to start reading right this very instant.

So, to read japanese in general, you need to know a bunch of words (30,000+), a bunch of kanji (2,000+ at a minimum), a bunch of grammar rules (no idea actually), and develop a general feel for it (i.e. be fluent). You might as well fucking give up at that point, it is actually impossible to learn all that shit in advance of reading unless you literally move to japan and learn japanese by trying to survive on the street.

However.... the first two pages of yotsubato only has like 30 words and 20 odd grammar rules. It sounds scary, you probably won't understand anything when you try to read, but there is no better way to understand it than actually trying to read it and looking shit up. Think about it, all those grammar rules and words are scattered throughout 4 different textbooks. But everything you need to know is right there on the fucking page with yotsuba. Studying the textbooks first is ridiculous, you don't know what you want to know yet and there is too much shit too cover all your bases beforehand.

So just start working through those first two pages, type the words you don't know into jisho, search the grammar you don't know into the dictionary of japanese grammar, google the other shit, ask dumb questions here. At first you might not even know where words begin or end, that's ok, you will get better eventually.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 10:32:28 2017 No.17724894 >>17724857 I'm gonna go with 1. and 2. If they do notice my Japanese is bad, I'll tell them. If that's enough to kick me out, I hope I can snag the mods quickly.

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 10:34:51 2017 No.17724902

Honestly, I'd suggest trying Sakubi for grammar. It's a fairly basic website which is very good at explaining concepts, and suggests a good method for getting things to stick in your head, particularly particles and verb tenses (reading). Much better than Taekim for actually applying concepts, although Taekim is way better, because it has thousands of meme warriors defending it. I mean still read Taekim because there is a lot on contextual stuff there that Sakubi wastes less time on like polite/casual speech and what have you, but Sakzbi is fantastic for being able to tell where words start and end and what's a particle and what's part of a word.
I'd say avoid avoiding the deep end as a matter of not wanting to burn out; you have to push yourself because otherwise you end up grinding flash cards and not figuring out what the fuck you need to actually learn.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 10:36:26 2017 No.17724905 >>17724902 Meant for >>17724837

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 10:37:33 2017 No.17724907 >>17724886 You should've also mentioned that reading actually takes some work off of anki since you learn common words through reading alone which is more fun than doing reps in anki (its more fun given that you read stuff you like)

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 11:03:15 2017 No.17724973 File: 29 KB, 663x317, 俺の嫁.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] くそっ！

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 11:06:34 2017 No.17724983 Guys, if one wants to buy a raw manga from kobo rakuten, are there any special steps he has to take if he doesn't live in japan?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 11:07:36 2017 No.17724984 >>17724973 Does putting the っ there mean you have to hold the ！ extra long?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 11:08:42 2017 No.17724988 >>17724984 >holding the ！ You slut.

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 11:19:38 2017 No.17725028

>>17711739

So. I've read quite a bit of Oyasumi Punpun and all of 20th century boys. Is Xenogears going to be on my confort zone? Should I rather read a VN to learn more?

I'm torn between starting Xenogears, playing the japanese translation of baldur's gate or Dies Irae/Kara no Shoujo/Isaku/Tokyo Twilight Busters/Hayarigami/Eve burst error.
Already played Yu-No in english (wasted oportunity as I loved the fuck out of that...)

I want to try stuff with more complex grammar.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 11:20:08 2017 No.17725033 >>17724983 Come on, I always wonder why they make buying things legally overseas so hard...

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 11:26:40 2017 No.17725056 File: 180 KB, 600x329, IMG_1299.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17725033

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 11:29:56 2017 No.17725073 Doesn't anybody have e-manga version of ロクでなし魔術講師と禁忌教典/Rokudenashi Majutsu Koushi to Kinki Kyouten

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 11:37:29 2017 No.17725097

>>17724873
>>17724902
thanks

>>17724886
thanks, i may start that tomorrow then. how easy would you say you find it now to read raws? do you still go to jisho and look things up, or does it get more natural? how long reading did it take you to become familiar with grammar/vocab in general? sorry in advance for all the questions.

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 12:07:39 2017 No.17725201 [DELETED]

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Dear god, are there any convenient guides on private Japanese message groups? I got invited to one, and everyone started saying thanks after I joined. The fuck am I supposed to say? Anki didn't prepare me for this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 12:14:46 2017 No.17725216 With anki, is it better to bury leeches or no? I feel like it's better not to bury them so you don't ignore the building blocks for later kanji and end up snowballing shit you don't know, but I want to ask anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 12:25:11 2017 No.17725242 >>17725216 Leeches are time and energy wasters. Bury them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 12:27:11 2017 No.17725249 >>17725242 Good thing I asked, then.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 12:28:33 2017 No.17725253 >>17725216 I moved mine to a separate deck. Dunno how much it's gonna help.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 12:29:22 2017 No.17725254 >>17724983 Google fake japanese adress and get a japanese vpn (softether is free but slow).

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 12:32:44 2017 No.17725270 >>17725254 Do not EVER buy anything through free VPNs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 12:32:46 2017 No.17725271 >>17725216 Never bothered burying leeches. Don't really see the point.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 12:33:14 2017 No.17725275 >>17725271 I guess you don't see the point of reading either.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 12:36:03 2017 No.17725284 >>17725275 I don't see how reading has anything to do with burying leeches. Its not like it makes a huge dent in your reviews or anything, and sometimes it only takes another word with similar kanji for me to really get it down.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 12:40:55 2017 No.17725306 >>17725270 why? with https you are encrypted end to end. its the same reason why your ISP doesn't know your credit card info though they know you visited amazon or whatever

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 12:49:54 2017 No.17725336

I have a quick question on grammar as I just started learning like a week ago, and up until now I've just been focusing on memorizing words.

Would you use boku/ore to define things about yourself? Like I am Red, or I am Angry? I see them used as "I am" but I'm not sure if that is an introduction kind of thing, or just a direct literal translation of "I am"

ぼくは赤い

If I wanted to claim that I am literally red, but it is not my name, is that appropriate?

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 12:52:48 2017 No.17725349

>>17725097
>i may start that tomorrow then
Not him, but you really should start reading as soon as possible.

My own experience for a long time was one of repeatedly trying to learn Japanese and then giving up. I always felt like I couldn't start reading until I knew everything there was to know, so I would read beginner guides, even try to read through things like the DoJG, force myself to do Core decks and so on in Anki, and every time I would quit within a month, never getting very far with any of it, because it was just so damn boring doing that stuff. And then, on those few attempts where I finally did try to start reading, I never got anywhere because I felt this need to perfectly understand every sentence and every piece of grammar before I would let myself move on, and very quickly I would get frustrated and angry at myself for not being able to understand things, and I would get demoralized and quit, having ultimately read hardly anything.

The changing point for me came when I read through the AJATT table of contents and got a new perspective on how to approach learning the language. Maybe the stuff there is just common sense for most people, but for me it totally wasn't. The things he says about just having fun and learning by doing the stuff you enjoy and so on were things that I really needed to be told. I didn't swallow the site's method wholesale (else I wouldn't be here speaking in English), but there was a lot of good advice I took away from it.

Since then, I've been reading and listening for a few months now and even from the small amount I've read so far, the difference in experience compared to before is completely different. I don't have to force myself to learn Japanese anymore because it's self-sustaining - just by reading something I want to read, I'm learning. And it's not just that I'm actually having fun now. I can tell, even though I'm still far from fluency, that the language has gotten much more natural for me. A lot of lines in what I'm reading now just intuitively make sense to me and the only work I have to do is hovering over a word I don't know with Yomichan to see what it means. I still run into lines I don't understand, of course, but most of those I can figure out pretty quickly just by re-reading them slowly once or twice. If I can't figure a line out after a minute or so though, I don't worry about it like I used to. Rather than coming to a complete halt with my reading and getting all angry and stressed out over not understanding... I just let it go and move on. And even so, I'm still getting better.

The best thing you can do for yourself is to just start reading and listening to whatever you're interested in as soon as possible. Don't be an idiot like I was and waste all that time getting stuck on beginner resources and never moving on.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 12:55:23 2017 No.17725359 >>17725336 Dirty Gaijin don't get to use 僕 nor 俺. You need to use わちき to refer to yourself. Other than that those sentences are okay.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 12:59:55 2017 No.17725373 >>17725359 So If I wanted to describe something about myself, would I use a pronoun? Or should I just use my own name?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 13:00:06 2017 No.17725375 Should I bother decrypting messy handwritten pages/parts in manga? I'm really not sure whether that'd be beneficial.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 13:00:51 2017 No.17725379 >>17725270 If they actually cared they would require a nip debit card.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 13:02:11 2017 No.17725384 >>17725306 Old versions of TLS are not secure, and some shops still use them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 13:02:49 2017 No.17725386 >>17725373 Both is okay.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 13:08:54 2017 No.17725413 >>17725373 Unless you are close friends with someone, use 私. It's a meme here but that's actually the most normal and polite for 99% of situations you'll encounter until you get good enough to know the difference anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 13:11:05 2017 No.17725427 >>17725359 >Dirty Gaijin don't get to use 僕 nor 俺 is this a real thing

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 13:16:28 2017 No.17725452 >>17725375 Do you want to learn to read handwritten Nipponese?

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 13:30:48 2017 No.17725515

>>17725452
Yeah, but as I see the problem, it's mostly just about painfully inputting the unknown kanji to various search engines and hoping to get it right that I'm doing right now. I can read most of the words I've already learnt, but it's hard to deal with stuff that is both new AND handwritten.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 13:41:13 2017 No.17725550 >>17725515 The one that started it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 13:47:33 2017 No.17725570 Can I update ff or will it kill rikai?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 13:52:04 2017 No.17725587 >>17725570 I think there's still a month left before Rikaisama is kill.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 13:59:06 2017 No.17725614 File: 61 KB, 756x715, 1497596207100.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Do we have a site like http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats for LNs? I'm curious how LNs compare with VNs in terms of amount of words, kanji, and so on.

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 14:02:05 2017 No.17725627
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君の髪は薔薇
君の香りは青い夕焼け
永遠に救われない僕の罪を
君はその透明のプリズムで
簡単に吹き飛ばしてしまう
僕は変わろう
新しいマッチを擦ろう

I don't get that プリズム part at all... How is a prism related to blowing this guy's sin away?

This is 悪の華 and this is the protag writing a poem to his crush whose PE clothes he stole.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 14:02:34 2017 No.17725630 >>17725349 Really appreciate this, thanks a lot for sharing your experience. I think I would have probably fallen into the same rut that you describe too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 14:03:35 2017 No.17725636 File: 598 KB, 1237x622, jfdshkjfhsdkhfsdhfo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So, why say "言ってた" and not "言った"? Am I missing something basic here?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 14:05:02 2017 No.17725645 >>17725636 have been saying vs said

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 14:08:38 2017 No.17725666 File: 48 KB, 680x578, Generally disappointed 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17725645 Oh that's right, ～ている＝～てる fucking hell, gotta practice

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 14:11:00 2017 No.17725673 >>17725614 I think the DJT library includes a few stats, but not as comprehensive.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 14:12:03 2017 No.17725678 >>17725614 I think you could use the same tools.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 14:15:50 2017 No.17725691 100 kanji down in three weeks. how long until i turn japanese, lads?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 14:16:30 2017 No.17725695 >>17725691 do you even know any grammar?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 14:16:48 2017 No.17725697 >>17725691 Twelve minutes or so.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 14:26:00 2017 No.17725732 >>17725695 yes, i know particles and relevant verbs

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 14:40:29 2017 No.17725759 >>17725691 読みますか

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 14:42:35 2017 No.17725765 File: 34 KB, 900x900, lol come onnnn.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17725627

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 14:51:35 2017 No.17725777 おきちゃったなんかおはなししてそしたらねるから

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 15:00:49 2017 No.17725801 >>17725777 お前のこといつも見てるから

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 16:57:31 2017 No.17726113 >>17724868 Dracu riot

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 17:00:03 2017 No.17726125 If you don't understand this speech you don't know Japanese https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIkJ0CuOS_M

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 17:18:33 2017 No.17726203 >>17725636 Want to have sex with Ena.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 18:12:21 2017 No.17726410 File: 173 KB, 311x841, hmmuu.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17726203

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 18:22:24 2017 No.17726459 >>17713743 Today I mined the following words: 頬杖雛接岸怒涛お陀仏

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 18:24:12 2017 No.17726468 >>17726459 no1 give fuck

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 18:27:16 2017 No.17726481 File: 16 KB, 500x375, 1507210805659.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17711739 Anyone know what that first kanji is? I can read the rest but I can barely see that one.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 18:29:56 2017 No.17726488 >>17726481 痛

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 18:32:16 2017 No.17726494 >>17726488 shit, arigathanks gozaimuch

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 18:33:18 2017 No.17726497 >>17726494 Kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 18:33:35 2017 No.17726499 Is it possible that the な of な adjectives comes from なる or なり, or is it already identified as something else?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 18:56:25 2017 No.17726554 >>17726499 It allegedly comes from an "archaic" copula which was more or less like なり

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 18:57:42 2017 No.17726560

>>17726499
It comes from the copula なり, which is a contraction of にあり. whether that に is a case marker or a surviving instance of the proto-japonic copula is another question entirely. It does not come from the "become" word なる; there was no use of なる as in "become" in the places where な was first used.

https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/19180/are-な-and-だ-both-copula-verbs

https://linguistics.stackexchange.com/questions/4687/etymology-of-japanese-no-na-ni-ga/4691

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 19:18:01 2017 No.17726620 咳払い

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 20:56:51 2017 No.17726899
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I assume there are at least a couple of people here who use LNs are their reading material. Are there any good ones you'd recommend?

Looking through the DJT Library, there are so many there that I don't know where to start, and I don't know of any site like VNDB for LNs which would let me sort by different tags and such to find one that I think would be interesting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 20:58:33 2017 No.17726905 >>17726620 >咳払い for a second i thought you were going for "sexual harassment" written in ateji

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 21:08:03 2017 No.17726926 File: 71 KB, 1000x900, 1_000000007340.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17726905 i would never do such a thing

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 21:21:45 2017 No.17726954 >>17726899 haruchika is the only ln i could stand reading for more than 5 mins oh i guess i did read ken to maho no fantasy on the toilet over a handful of defecations

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 21:33:02 2017 No.17726977 >>17725614 According to DJT libary, most LNs lie around 1500 ~ 1900 kanji. Most VNs seem to be 1700 ~ 2000, which makes sense if you consider the fact that a lot of VNs, unlike LNs, are rated 18+

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 21:38:20 2017 No.17726998 >>17724843 Or just say you don't know Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 21:49:49 2017 No.17727033 >>17721395 I'm at 1755 kanji, and imo reading comprehension is far more important in LNs

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 22:31:22 2017 No.17727136 >>17725587 What's going to happen with rikaisama? Firefox forcibly removes mods that are too old?

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 22:40:22 2017 No.17727150

>>17727136
Firefox is moving to a new add-on API and the Rikaisama devs aren't going to port Rikaisama over to work on it. Starting from version 57 (i.e. the next stable release), the legacy add-on API will be completely excised from Firefox.

The new API lets add-on developers do less things than the old one, so some add-ons are simply impossible to port to the new API, but given that Yomichan works fine with the new API I don't think this applies to Rikaisama. I think the Rikaisama devs most likely just couldn't be bothered to rewrite their entire add-on from scratch.

I'd switch to Yomichan and start getting used to it now if I were you. Rikaisama has less than a month of life left in it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 22:43:28 2017 No.17727153 >>17727150 Well shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 22:43:58 2017 No.17727154 >>17727136 Just disable the firefox updates and you can keep using it

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 22:45:32 2017 No.17727160 >>17727154 the pleasure of russian botnet membership

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 22:51:28 2017 No.17727184 >>17727153 Yomichan recently got some updates which allow you to make it behave much like Rikaisama. There's not really any reason to keep using Rikaisama anymore.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 22:54:36 2017 No.17727193 >>17727184 Is there a way to change the white color?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 23:10:24 2017 No.17727221 >>17727193 Right now, I don't think so, but maybe if you bug the dev he'll start work on making the appearance customisable. He seems to be quite responsive to user requests.

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 23:45:20 2017 No.17727291

I've restarted learning Japanese, Currently working on this deck so I could have an easier time with genki again: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1188123894, Is it okay to hit good on a new card that I can only read if I mouse over the furigana or if I just saw it a minute ago? I'm worried about not retaining any of the kanji, this seems impossible

Anonymous Thu Oct 5 23:49:36 2017 No.17727299

>>17727291
You're worrying about trivial things, there are only two important things you need to keep in mind:

i)If your retention is shit, consider lowering the amount of words you learn per day
ii)If you keep doing your reps every day you will eventually learn them. The only way you won't learn is if you stop.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 23:50:52 2017 No.17727302 >>17727291 >I've restarted learning Japanese But you've barely started. Forget that deck, use Core 2k/6k for vocabulary. If you have trouble recognizing kanji use KKLC or RTK (with https://github.com/kanji-koohii/kanji-koohii))

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 23:51:54 2017 No.17727307 >>17727302 Fuck, meant to post https://hochanh.github.io/rtk/

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 5 23:57:26 2017 No.17727324 >>17727291 You don't need to memorize the vocab from Genki. Just get through it as quickly as possible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IPArDxO40

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:01:45 2017 No.17727338 おはようおにいちゃんなつものだしてなつものしまうから

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:04:42 2017 No.17727346 >>17727338 いもうととめちゃくちゃセックスしたい

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:10:32 2017 No.17727362 i've decided to start reading, what's a good babbys first VN? i know less than 1000 words so far i'll probably drop it soon anyway and come back when i'm more prepared but it can't hurt to try

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:13:17 2017 No.17727374 File: 114 KB, 640x480, UyKOwt0[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17727362 if you can read this, then you can read this

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:14:21 2017 No.17727377 File: 79 KB, 320x405, ans-166895675.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17727346 にほんにくれば？

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:29:08 2017 No.17727419 File: 375 KB, 400x224, 1g2gxbeCL32v11smsxKaf7Vo_400.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17727346 ってアホか

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:29:16 2017 No.17727420 >>17727374 I understand kanji and words, but what the fuck does this mean? There was so much loud voices since morning, someone seems to be lost?

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:34:03 2017 No.17727432

>>17727420
>but what the fuck does this mean?
Like you, I don't know Japanese, but going by context and what I expect, I would assume it means something like:
>Amane, speaking with such a loud voice in the morning is a nuisance to those in the neighborhood, right? (You know better; don't talk so loud)

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:35:04 2017 No.17727434 >>17727374 amane is one slick チンピラ

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:36:09 2017 No.17727437 i dont understand this language why does naru have so many fucking definitions, why is "寒くなりたい” grammatically correct with adverb? do I not understand what an adverb is?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:37:56 2017 No.17727441 >>17727420 "oi u dumb lezzo slut, ur gonna piss the fuckin neighbours off if u keep shoutin like that this early in the mornin innit"

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:39:05 2017 No.17727444 >>17727437 who cares, just deal with it

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:40:12 2017 No.17727451 >>17727437 >adverb you mean adjective? is it strange to want something to become an adjective? is it strange to want something to become cold?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:41:58 2017 No.17727456 >>17727299 Got it, just stop worrying and keep going. >>17727302 >>17727324 I was planning on finishing that deck asap and then switching to core 6k/10k, is that a bad idea?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:45:56 2017 No.17727467 >>17727441 >>17727432 Where the fuck was I supposed to look up 迷感?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:48:55 2017 No.17727472 >>17727437 >寒い - cold >なる - to become >たい ending - to want x to happen >なる+たい = なりたい - to want to become >寒くなりたい - to want (something, someone) to become cold folks, did i suss this out properly? respond if you're not scared

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:49:11 2017 No.17727473 >>17727467 >感惑 I had trouble with those in the start too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:49:50 2017 No.17727475 >>17727473 Just fuck my shit up senpai. Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:49:51 2017 No.17727474 >>17727441 is this kaori's chav twin spirit

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 00:52:54 2017 No.17727481 >>17727475 I find it helps to learn other words that use the kanji -- here are some example that I can think of off the top of my head: 誘惑, 疑惑.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 01:00:29 2017 No.17727493 >>17727473 おとでおぼえてねめーわくめーわくめーわくあんきした？

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 01:05:38 2017 No.17727501

>>17723691
Hmm, well, seems they don't ship overseas anyway when it's a big set of books like that. I guess that figures. So if I want a huge bundle of books to be sent, I guess I'll need to use one of those services where someone over there buys it, I give them money, and they ship it to me?

Has anybody got experience using services like that?

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 01:06:56 2017 No.17727503

>>17727493
音で覚えてって言ったか
問題は漢字の差…書くの…
Fugg -- I'm not ready to produce japanese yet.
The problem, I feel, is noticing the difference between the two kanji and learning words that use the trouble-kanji helps associate the reading and the kanji.
...to be honest though, if I saw 迷感, I would probably read it was めいわく without skipping a beat unless it didn't make sense within the context of the sentence.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 01:15:00 2017 No.17727516 >>17727503 迷感じゃあ　めーかん　でしょ？名古屋環状線で名環？そんなのあったかなあってかんじだよ

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 01:41:54 2017 No.17727555 File: 492 KB, 1038x1700, P00031.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] なんでやねん！

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 01:51:43 2017 No.17727574 >>17727555 >555 How do you read ね"?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 01:55:08 2017 No.17727578 >>17727574 I don't even know, when syllables that don't usually have voicing marks on em receive them anyway I just kind of think it's supposed to be really rough and guttural. Kind of groaned more than said.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 02:03:57 2017 No.17727612 >>17727451 >is it strange to want something to become an adjective? If you're an ESL don't talk about English grammar.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 02:04:48 2017 No.17727615

>fell for the "you only need to know about kana and tae kim to start reading" meme
fuck you guys i spent 2 weeks doing nothing but reading VNs and its nothing but pure fucking torture. i spend 3 mins on normal length sentences on average and it gained me absolutely nothing but slightly faster kana recognition. fuck all of you

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 02:06:42 2017 No.17727621 >>17727615 Watch anime until you are fluent

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 02:09:21 2017 No.17727634 >>17727615 Should've gone with Imabi

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 02:17:37 2017 No.17727655 >>17727615 Same

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 02:19:50 2017 No.17727659 >>17727615 What EXACTLY is the problem you're having? Is it just looking up all the vocab? If this thread tricked you out of using anki and drilling core, you only have yourself to blame for not following the guide.

Anonymous Fri Oct 6 02:20:11 2017 No.17727661

>>17727615

You need a healthy mix of everything early on, of course doing nothing but reading when you barely know anything is retarded. Gotta work on grammar, kanji and vocab as well and accept that any reading you attempt is going to be very slow at first.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 02:23:53 2017 No.17727676 >>17727621 FF外から失礼するゾ～（謝罪）このツイート面白スギィ！！！！！自分、RTいいっすか？淫夢知ってそうだから淫夢のリストにぶち込んでやるぜーいきなりリプしてすみません！許してください！なんでもしますから！(なんでもするとは言ってない)

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 6 02:34:41 2017 No.17727703 >>17727467 At least learn radicals, nigga.

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