/jp/ - Otaku Culture

森林浴

second for based rtk forcers

日常のお前は日本語を出来ない念押し

How do you decide between Again/Good? I know it all just means how frequently you see a card, but I've been giving myself "again" if I can recall the card's English definition and example sentence but not how to say it in kana.

Am i nip yet ?

>>19540529
Now vocaroo it.

>>19540529

>>19540529
http://www.geocities.jp/tomomi965/ichiran.html

>>19540529
どこのフォント

へんなフォントまざってるよ

This is my Katakana deck. What am I doing wrong?

>>19540550

>>19540564
まったくわけのわからないことを

read clock up eroge for epic nihongo win

>>19540582
ダビドにはとても無理なこと

>数日 - few days
>数日後 - several days later

Am I doing good for a beginner?

>>19540591
>clock up
1 2 3
ライダーキック

>>19540692
no, uninstall anki and read more

>>19540705
Shouldn't I start reading once I have a more solid grasp of Kanji first? Am I just doing it all wrong?

>>19540711
anki is supplementary at best, language acquisition comes from reading and listening. Read Krashen

We always put a link to the previous threads in the OP, but why don't we ever put a link to the next thread?

>>19540656
makes sense

>>19540711
Don't listen to him, download RTK and grind kanji until you've reached at least 1000 before you even attempt reading.

>>19540746
because ya'll lazy af and only make the thread after the last one gets archived

>>19540419
Listening to an audio drama thing, I'm enjoying this but no amount of googling is helping me figure this out. What is the guy exclaiming at 10:36? I've tried every imaginable combination of searches but no dice, and I'm fucking tired of searching. I've heard it a bunch before but never seen it written, so I have no real reference for how to find it, but now I need to know.

https://youtu.be/8gUYasDKlNo?t=10m35s

>>19540692
You're not "doing good" as a beginner until you're able to read NHK EASY comfortably without extensive dictionary use.

Read.

>>19540529
>兄たり難く弟たり難し
>焼け野の雉子夜の鶴
>隴を得て蜀を望む
I've never heard these before.
なんでそんな難しい言葉を知ってるの？

払う - Do you pronounce the う here? The card audio sounds like a 'w' sound.

I missed you guys

立て from your grave muppets and 踊れ

>>19540419
Based OP

>>19540543
shit looks like his dumb ass as a little sperm waddling towards the egg with the bent retard arm and retard limp

>>19540957
its just the same as 笑う dude

I actually learned some japanese while the site was fucked, hope it never happens again what an awful experience.

whatd you learn

>>19541180
Cool, I read porn

Anki isn't reading

>>19541168
Thanks man, it's sometimes confusing when the kana doesn't match the card pronunciation audio.
I encountered this today too: 次, the kana reads つぎ, but the pronunciation is definitely saying つに.

>>19541333
its soft g sound

dont worry about it for right now because hard g is functionally the same thing and its a thing even japanese people dont give a shit about

so just think of it as making the g sound with a congested nose or something but ぎ is ぎ no matter how someone says it

>>19541333
Sound like an excellent deck. You should definitely keep studying with it.

>>19540496
You should not be attempting to recall the example sentence, just the meaning and reading. Likewise, you should not be attempting to recall what the meaning literally says in English text, but rather what it means.

>>19540559
>What am I doing wrong?
Using Anki to learn a fucking syllabary.

>>19540656
数日 means "a few days" or "some number of days", not "a small number of days"

>chink variants
How do I fix this?

>>19541448
lang="ja"

Is Fate/Stay Night easier to read in Japanese than Dies Irae?

>>19541483
You need to know German to read Dies Irae.

theyre about the same

>>19541483
They're about the same.

>>19540419
Weeb faggot

How much Japanese until I can read KKK?

>>19540419
weeb fagot

>>19541476
I don't think that's how you change the default CJK font system-wise on an android phone, anon.

I'm almost finished core6k and still watch anime with subs, is this retarded? I read in Japanese though.

>>19541493
Jap can't even learn English

>>19541539
yea if you already read why are you watching anime just to read more. turn off those subtitles and get some listening practice.

be warned though that your listening ability is probably already permanently fucked since you didn't do active listening every day after reading.

>>19541547
Japs*

>>19541552
I didn't do any kind of regular active listening ever and it didn't fuck me up. But for some reason my listening comprehension never had much trouble catching up to my reading just from listening to music and watching some new random five minute youtube video once a week.

look at this shit

>>19541578
you can understand what they're saying because you have an approximation of what they're saying based on vocab acquired through reading. that approximation is subvocalization, but you're not hearing the subtle nuances of the speech, particularly the pitch accent.

it would take you a FUCK ton of work to be able to acquire a decent accent because of this. you fucked yourself. but if you don't care about pitch accent then it's not really a problem.

>>19541602
That's not what your post was about.

>>19541612
yes it is. you made an assumption because of a connotation.

>>19541625
No, I didn't. Your post was about listening ability, not accent production. Fuck off, dumb mattdrone.

>>19541628
accent acquisition is dependent on listening ability. you made a dumb assumption. but it's not a big deal. now you know what i mean and we can move on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu_SPQLRACw

>>19541647
>I'm almost finished core6k and still watch anime with subs, is this retarded? I read in Japanese though.
>be warned though that your listening ability is probably already permanently fucked since you didn't do active listening every day after reading.
>I didn't do any kind of regular active listening ever and it didn't fuck me up.
Hmm I wonder what your first post could have been about. Maybe it was about listening ability like it said? Nooo, no way, it was about something completely unrelated that you didn't even hint at at all. Fuck off, dumb mattdrone.

>>19541648

>>19541647
you're the one making dumb assumptions here, please stop posting, you're embarrassing yourself

>>19541651
>Maybe it was about listening ability like it said?
yes it was. your listening ability is permanently fucked and now it will be extremely difficult to acquire a good accent. what's the confusion?

>>19541671
You're making assumptions that are not valid, just because someone told you so. You're also a beginner. Dumb mattdrone.

I fucking give up. Half of this VN is written in chinese.

it is true that correctly generating pitch accent is dependent on having good enough understanding of spoken japanese prosody that you happen to be able to identify pitch accent errors

but being able to identify pitch accent errors is not a skill that you need good listening comprehension to acquire, nor is it something that you can get permanently fucked over by doing the wrong thing at first (unless you force output above your level for a long time, but that's an issue for another day)

>>19541678
dang now you finally changed the topic after realizing your error. was that so hard? no reason to fight over something so trivial, especially after i clarified. right?

and i respect your opinion but less so than matt's.

>>19541697
Are you that dumbass that keeps announcing that he wins arguments after everyone in the thread laughs at him because he's so stupid and stubborn? Because that would explain everything.

>>19541697
he didn't
fuck off dumb mattdrone

>>19541706
no. i'm new here.

>>19541713
That, also, explains everything.

Lurk more before posting. Especially before getting into arguments.

>>19541718
it's fine to start arguments when you're new if someone does something really stupid.

>>19541726
You're the one being stupid here.

>>19541726
it is literally never fine to start arguments
and it's is the opposite of fine to start arguments if you're new
in anon's words: fuck off dumb mattdrone

>>19541736
well technically i was just answering his dumb question and then he argued with me.

hey anki drones what does it say on the socks of the guy in the red shirt in this vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quJvkUlpIVw

>>19541756
it wasn't even the same person

someone who struggles to watch anime would not turn around in the next post and claim that they don't have problems with listening comprehension

this is part of why you must not start arguments when you're new

空気を読め

>>19541771
oh then it's the other person who started the argument.

>>19541756
Did you seriously think I was the person who asked the question?

Dumb mattdrone.

i think anyone is allowed to come and just tear shit up personally

start a fight

>>19541772
no their post wasn't actually argumentative at all

go watch heavy object without subs

>>19541784
Already did.

sorry i only watch good anime

>>19541774
yea but i didn't even really do much except give some great advice. now people are mad and getting down in the weeds.

>>19541806
beginners are forbidden from giving advice, in part because when experienced people elaborate on their advice the beginner gets pissed and thinks they're getting argued with

>>19541813
arguments are welcome since it's important to challenge perspectives. however i agree with you in that beginners should think twice before commenting on something they don't understand.

its a dog eat dog world out there dude those ty kim technical institute grads gotta jock for position in the djt namean werd

>>19541825
arguments among learned people are fine
arguments that involve people who don't know what they're talking about are always bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cXiEfTaRZs

Have you practiced your writing today?

>>19541832
agreed.

>>19540591

チンカス

https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/932ggf/dont_cheat_your_way_to_highlevel_listening/

Is this true?

>>19541962
>reddit
Take a wild guess.

>>19541962
i aint reading shit that long written by some nobody on reddit

bottom line if you wanna learn nihongo you gotta do everything with it

what's the difference/nuance between 真似る and 真似する

if you start pasting a link to weblio or something preemptively delete your own post, it didn't help

>>19542339
ま・ねる [0] 【真似る】 （動ナ下一）[文]ナ下二 ま・ぬ
行動・様子などが他の人や物と同じになるようにする。模倣する。まねをする。「話し方を―・ねる」「文体を―・ねてかく」

まね [0] 【真似】 （名）スル
（１）まねること。また，形だけ似せること。模倣。「大人の―をする」「泣く―をする」「―するだけでは進歩しない」
（２）ふるまい。行動。「おかしな―をするな」「ふざけた―はやめろ」

>>19542339
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weqgNHa6X4E

A question for fellow ESL, are you guys learning with resources in your native language or are you using english resources? I'm honestly on the fence on what to use, on one hand there isn't a lot of stuff to study japanese in my native language, but I feel like I don't know english enough to study something like another language.

>>19542378
RTK worked much better after translating the keywords to my native language

>>19542378
you dont need a lot of stuff you just need the right stuff

so if i were a betting man id say your native language is the way to go

>>19542394
Oh, that might just work.
>>19542395
True, but I don't know if the stuff that it's in my native language is the right stuff. Still, digging around might be worth it.
Thank you for the advice anons.

>>19542339
Focus on shit that actually matters and not minute differences between synonyms you have no hope of using properly anyway

>>19542378
I used English resources, but I know English. I also switched to monolingual resources as soon as I could.

>>19542477
epic post bro

but all i know is flashcards so all i can do is point out the differences in things i find on them

>>19542521
Are you able to communicate with anything other than stale memes?

>>19542559
for what its worth this post sucks and is useless to everyone >>19542477

>>19542584
That post is the truth that beginners who waste time trying to learn the nuance of words from a dictionary or 4chan need to hear.

>>19542609
its the truth but it doesnt help them identify what matters so you might as well have not posted

>>19542609
>hey i'm curious about this little thing
>sorry kid it won't make you fluent tough luck

>>19542378
How and when did you learn English?

>>19542378
You should learn once you're more comfortable with english than your first language since there's lots of english loanwords japs use. Will make your life a lot easier.

>>19542875
Sounds like a waste of time, considering they use most of the loanwords incorrectly anyway.

>>19542951
maybe its the westerners that dont use them right

Look, DJT! I found a really nice looking kanji: 鬮
It means raffle.

thats nice *throws it in the bin with all the other kanji while looking disinterested*

>>19542961
they can't steal our words and then say we use them wrong. that's just not how it works.

>memorize Hiragana
>now I have to memorize all the exact same noises with different symbols
どうして？

>>19542992
shouldnt have gotten cucked outta your language idiot

>>19542978
Which kanji reminds you of yourself? For me its this one

>>19542993
I DON'T KNOW MAN, MAYBE THEY USE THEM FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.
I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT TOO BUT I'M NOT SURE.

>>19543007
i bet your one of those thievin nips ain't ya

>>19541834
。.苦
。.平
。惡意
耳目艮女身
舌浄染子

shit meme

vast majority of our uppercase letters look very similar to if not identical to the lowercase letters so get the fuck out of here retard.

>>19543031
thats why i dont use redundant things like uppercase

>>19541592
i would love to just stick my face in between those and *brrrrrrrrrr*

>>19543027
i fly by night wearing my shinobi gi and kyahan

>>19543031
No they dont

>LOWERCASE
WHAT IS THAT?

>>19540419

>>19543021
no need to yell

>>19543071
they sure as fuck do shit for brains. the ones that look completely different like G and g are a minority

Why don't they just do everyone a favour and get rid of kanji entirely?
It's nothing but a giant waste of everyone's time and effort. Even natives can't remember how to write that shit half the time.

you know what they say about guys with big letters

>>19543094
i would seppuku if they did that

>>19543094
a native 10 year old is going to be able to write more kanji and just generally know more nihongo than you always and forever

>>19543094
If you keep your language so complicated even the natives have difficulty, it keeps the dumb people and those that don't have a respect for your culture from destroying it.

but thats the thing japanese isnt complicated

thats why it doesnt even matter if you know how to read all the kanji

>>19543111
>chinese characters
>japanese culture
Lol.

>>19543103
Same. Memorizing all of the kanji is my only achievement in life.

>>19543134
when you die and get judged jesus is gonna look you in the eye and go achievement unlocked: your gay and then drop you into hades

>>19543130
To deceive your enemies, you must first deceive yourself. Japanese are just island Chinese people anyway.

>>19543009
Laughing behind somebody's back?

>>19543130
that's the only extant chinese culture there is

>>19543009
僕

>>19543152
chinese japanese dirty knees

look at these

>>19543094
Kanji is what prevents shittons of the most cancerous, highly fucking toxic normalfags from learning Japanese. We must not let them know how simple basic nip actually is.
Shut up and learn the damn chink runes.

Sadly Japan wasn't much to write home about before the Middle Kingdom's culture reached their shores.

>>19543209
i have serious doubt that dude is lookin at her face

>>19543094
Feel free to devise a better writing system.

>>19543209
i want to suck his toes

>>19543239
Hiragana with spaces.

>>19543094
Inb4 retards disagree with this blatant fact as if some smart chink couldn't figure out a way around homophones.

Readability is a non-issue since they can add spaces and use more punctuation as necessary.

>>19543239
hentaigana with spaces and kanji exclusively reserved for chinese loanwords

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK2qgHShT4g

this guy doesnt know all the kanji and he doesnt give a fuck about it

>>19543250
Show us:
その温もりが首から広がっていくような感触と同時に、鋭い痛みが走り、ゆっくりと俺の中の熱が奪われていった。

>>19543148
False. God would never send a person to hell.

>>19543094
>can't remember how to write
is 21st century no need write warupro master here

hiragana with spaces sux because i actually have to read

>>19543157
pshh even I could get that one. allow me to explain

知 - used in 知る or "to know"
or smart

無 - used in 無い or "not existing"
倫理 - ethics/morals
non-existing morals

邪 - this one was odd to me, but jisho shows one of its "english meanings" as wicked
笑 - used in 笑う so something funny
so wicked funny

basically, that kanji is smart, has no morals, and is wicked funny.

>>19543239
roman字

>>19543269
so youre saying its intelligent nihilistic and has a wicked sense of humor just like me

>>19543276
no because of this >>19543111

66% isnt a passing grade lil noob

>>19543259
sono warm monori ga neck ka ra wide gaate ikuyou na emotion contact to same time ni, pointed i comfort pain mi ga run ri, yokuri myself no in no heat ga rob wareteiita.

Japanese should all just be romanju

>>19543302
>>19543293

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JewEcSK7Lk

>>19543259
その ぬくもり が くび から ひろがって いく ような かんしょく と どうじ に、 するどい いたみ が はしり、 ゆっくり と おれ の なか の ねつ が うばわれて いった。
At least as fast to read as with the kanji. Would be even easier if they made the font a bit more compact to make the spaces clearer.

but wait if you use hiragana with spaces then how can you tell the difference between words that are spelled the same and differ only in their kanji???? checkmate anti-kanji-fags

>>19543326
it absolutely isnt because i actually have to read it instead of just look at it and recognize everything

>>19543322
>ファッカー

>>19543331
You're a retard if you actually read English text by analysing every letter, instead of just recognising the words at a glance

>>19543329
CONTEXT

>>19543345
english is different because you normally do that and it normally has spaces

but the fact of the matter is if you used all hiragana yes youd get used to it someday but your eyes objectively have to cover more real estate to take in the same amount of information

now run along on your little bike with training wheels that you think is better because you dont have to use balance to ride it

>>19543345
False equivalence, sentences in English are always written with the same letters but >>19543259 is what people who know/study Japanese are used to, not >>19543326. There's no reason non-natives should be able to glide through the latter as quickly as the former.

>>19543345
if you suppress your mental voice your reading comprension plummets. do not listen to this gif
you want to train your inner voice to read faster and faster, not to not use your inner voice at all
you will naturally plateau at the speed at which you lose the least comprehension

>>19543358
there are situations where even context is not enough
you would know this if you were actually studying nihongo

>>19543329
hurr durr how japanese tell difference between homophones???

>>19543365
>someday
It's like the easiest thing in the world, you mongoloid.
>>19543366
There's no good reason to think that they'd be any slower at it if that had been what they had learned to do from the start. Or spent a few hours reading hiragana only text.

>>19543381
In that case spoken language would be incomprehensible too.

>>19543390

>>19543390
Sure but there's no need to. Also my point is that your post about English was completely irrelevant. Besides, you can encode more information into kanji than kana. There's really not much reason to change it. Only lazy learners really care.

>>19543402
There's a big difference between flowery literature and the average conversation.

whys that noob gotta make everything retarded

nihongos easy you just gotta get in it

so get outta here and get in the nihongo

>that moment when you realize it's impossible to understand what someone means when they talk

>waaah mommy this is how we've always done it and doing anything different is IMPOSSIBLE
The spirit of Nippon sure is strong here.

how about adding spaces and replacing kana with romaji

mlnnagenkIlmao

>>19543453
but if they completely replace kanji and kana how will i feel special for memorizing dozens if not thousand of pointlessly unique and complex symbols?

I said nothing about kanji

A there a word with more than 3 times of the same syllable in a row? What's the highest count one you know? Mine is 電気機器

Compare:
>ベサニー・ヒルズと高森昭は東京に住んでいます。
>Besanī Hiruzu to Takamori Akira wa Tōkyō ni sundeimasu.
Romaji just feels right.

>>19543093
aA dD eE gG hH lL nN qQ rR
Also our fonts all can look VERY different, with jap it's only a few that look a little different.
Look, it's only going to get worse from here, since learning kanji is 10 times worse than learning kana and there's at the very least 400 unique ones you need to know.
If you're already crying you should really just stop now.

>>19543491
シネ

>>19543482

>>19543496
thanks for proving my point. they are a minority. most look similar if not identical.
>Also our fonts all can look VERY different
almost never an issue. you seldom encounter them
>since learning kanji
no i can do it. it's just annoying and inefficient.

>>19543517
>almost never an issue. you seldom encounter them
Handwriting isn't exactly something you "seldom" encounter you fucking faggot. There are almost no fonts that look like the handwriting you get taught in school, yet everyone can read that shit.
Anyway, once again, if you're feeling like this shit is annoying and inefficient before you get to kanji, then you're fucking fucked. You have no idea what you're getting yourself into, neither did I or most other people when starting. If you can't be happy with learning kana, then you'll never be happy learning kanji, and if you can't be happy learning kanji, then you can't learn them at all.

>>19543552
>then you're fucking fucked
nah i'll be fine. it's just annoying and inefficient.

Is there a way to scan kanji from pictures? I'm reading the manga available in the guide, but it's hard to browse them when I don't know the radicals.

So yesterday, i started with the first Genki Integrated Elementary book and am on the greetings section. I already know hirigana and katakana, with knowledge of aboutt 10 kanji. So, I am at a standstill, how do I know when I am ready to move on to the next section of the book (next chapter). I know it sounds really stupid, but any help is appreciated.

>>19542726
Using the internet, mostly. So I started around 12 years ago and I'm still learning everyday

>>19541363
soft g means the sound a j can make in english
what you are talking about is called a velar nasal
you can describe it more casually but soft g is wrong

>>19543589
yea i used the wrong term there

i challenge jamal to a duel

just kill me

well at least its not by feet

>>19543566
>I'm reading the manga available in the guide
Maybe you should read the guide as well?
What you're looking for is something called "OCR", though even if you didn't know that abbreviation, you would've still easily found what you're looking for if you'd read the 9 titles of the "Useful Learning Tools" section.

>>19543326
the positions you put the spaces in are telling of your abilities
also why did you put spaces after commas and why did you insist on half-width spaces

>>19543491
missed opportunity to flip the name order

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWqd56ojQYs#t=480

>>19543647
he woulda did it right if he wasnt so stubborn and just played pokeman on kana mode

>>19543517
over half of the kana are extremely similar between katakana and hiragana or at least were derived from the same kanji

>>19543647
Okay, where do you see a problem? Particles should obviously written separately.

>>19540419
I want to "rape" the intelligent, sensitive, misunderstod person who drew that picture

>>19543703
No, they should be appended to what they modify. You don't know Japanese.

the spirit of early 2000s fansubbing is alive and well

>>19543711
Nope. There's no good reason to think that.

so whats the good reason not to think that lol

Why is machine translation so shit with nipponese? You'd think there were some nerds at google who had a special interest in getting their program to work well with this particular language

>>19543723
It's how they work syntactically. Almost all Japanese particles are clitics.

>>19543666
this dude's wearing rollerskates

>>19543743
rollerblades actually

yeah that makes more sense

do you really think a fat dude would wanna walk when he can just roll?

Applefags, what Jap keyboard do you use on iPhone? Asking for a friend.

but why roll when you can do something like sit or lay down?

fat boys got ambition too and mobility is key

>>19543703
your choice of where to place spaces is self-inconsistent, ような and どうじ　に are both practically their own word
why do you break compound verbs
>>19543723
have you ever even heard spoken japanese

why dance around it the guy fuckin blows and its pretty standard in djt

theres nothing to talk about with the kid who pedals his bike with training wheels with feet encased in velcro shoes

i mean the first step to learning nihongo is to admit you dont know nihongo but like this is djt

there's nothing wrong with not knowing nihongo if you want to learn nihongo
the problem is when you want to argue about how to learn nihongo, or worse, how nihongo could be improved

the guys "trolling" and i think its that one guy who used to tell people to get a job thats why i posted this at him >>19543408

this could be the easiest place to troll on 4chan.

i mean it starts from the op

imagine a 2000 long thread series trolling noobs 24.7 for years

zettai nihongo wakaru ranai

>talking about thread derails
why don't we just talk about "literary" english like yesterday folks?

日本語もう難しすぎるから

the derail starts at the op and ends at the last post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZcQ4abjsxg

>literary english
preposterous

cant believe that br is still that ass blasted that his posts look like antónio wrote them

Does anybody know links to any Yomichan compatible Japanese to Japanese EPWING dictionaries? The ones in the cornucopia of resources were rejected by Yomichan because they had no index.

A Yomichan alternative that solves this more easily would also be helpful, as long as it has anki integration

>>19543974
have you tried this

>>19543974
Yomichan is bad for learning Japanese. You should always try to write the word out by yourself if you're not sure how it is read. That way you actually learn something.

>>19544017
you're a beginner

>>19544017
what the fuck are you on about

>>19544035
>>19544042
You literally don't know Japanese.

theyre all trolling guys dont listen to anyone except me

>>19543566
>Is there a way to scan kanji from pictures
Yeah just finish rtk and you will have that installed in your brain

I hope you all learn Japanese.

>>19543974
the yomichan import tool literally lists the dictionaries it is compatible with
did you actually convert the dictionaries with the import tool before trying to import because yomichan doesn't actually work with epwings, it just has a tool that can convert certain epwings to a format it does support
just use daijirin

>>19544044
you don't know japanese and you're a beginner

3 weeks until I finish RTK1 and start learning Japanese. Love you guys.

>>19543974
Nevermind, reading the Yomichan FAQ the guy made a converter which makes dictionaries Yomichan compatible

>>19544060
are you telling me you're too lazy to do rtk3? not gonna make it

>>19544048
Didn't know rtk covers all 50k+ kanji.

>>19544069
don't shitpost to a shitpost it makes you look dumb

if only they made kanji shaped cereal for all you fuckin speds

>>19544057
You can read word usually in many different ways. You should always try all the possible ways to input it your IME. If you get it right then you've learned it actually instead of just given the answer right away. But you're clearly not at a level at which you can do intelligent guesses on readings.

>>19544084
this is not sustainable and also you're a beginner who doesn't know any japanese

someone link that fuckin sick like 3 minute webm of the anime girl just fuckin goin off and its subbed with all the usual djt laced in

>>19544095
>anime
>subbed

>>19544067
I was planning on celebrating finishing RTK1 and then telling you guys I'm still not gonna learn Japanese and instead do RTK3.

>>19544098
10000 hours of it before you even think about doing rtk

>>19544078
He's probably not trolling.

>>19544095
>>>/wsg/2315717

ok i did it my fucken self

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1532672488746.webm

>>19544058
Thanks for this. I should have read the FAQ more closely before asking, but this was a very helpful answer and I appreciate you for making it

>>19544127
we will also accept this

http://vmashup.com/3rzLGnqy

>>19544129
>dekinai
ｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

that was certainly the low point in addition to the yami

but i liked everything else so kudos to that guy its better than the dragonballz 1

>>19544129
i might watch that soon sounds like a wholesome yelling anime
that was probably not the best introduction to it since it sounds like a dramatic moment that i now know is coming

>>19544192
yeah i even wanted to see how a chuni ln trash ani with a scene that dope was gonna pan out

but i know better

>>19543566
You can use the picture mode on the google translate app, then put the kanji/word into an actual dictionary

>>19543737
Because it is difficult to translate Japanese into English most times, you can’t expect a machine to be able to correctly translate nuances that words have into another language.

A machine translation might be correct, but that doesn't mean it's right.

>>19544264
that's why translation will always be limited, but the shittiness of existing machine translation goes far beyond that problem

>>19544277
It's not wrong it's just an asshole.

>>19544264
nuance is a meaningless buzzword

>>19544315
what word would you prefer, or is your argument that perfect translation is always possible

i love me 10000 hours of perfectly translated anime

Jesus Christ what happened to these threads?

>>19544419
jamal

>>19544419
theyre all slackin on they nihongo homework

help em out

>>19544419
It legitimately all spirals from Jamal. One or two other posts followed his example and started lowercase posting and they constantly feed into shitposting.

i am the alpha and omega and whatever other shit but really i just want yall to learn nihongo

so fuckin get to it

Memes aside, even if you hate RTK.. if there's a particular kanji you're struggling to remember, ctrl+Fing it in the RTK PDF may actually help you a lot. I couldn't remember 歌 but now I'll never forget it due to the gay ass story.

>>19544466
or you could just write it down

>>19544466
Modern SONGtresses LACK talent - they just promote whoever has the two biggest CANS.

>>19544466
most rtk stories suck and at least half of the kanji don't even have a story
but mnemonics are okay if you aren't wasting time trying to create a mnemonic for every single fucking jouyou kanji without learning japanese

thats a nice story but you dont even need it

i see that kanji everyday and you should too

>>19544477
It said something about can-can singers and I'm like oh, ok, I won't forget that now.

>>19543576
Been there, done that. After learning 'kana, nothing can really guide you imho. You're on your own.

Just watched laowhy86's latest video and apparently Asians don't have body odor. My fantasy about smelling Japanese girls feet and armpits is now ruined.

>>19544564
They can still smell unclean, they just don't have "BO". It's controlled by the same gene as hard earwax, but the way. So if you see a character that needs to get their ears cleaned and also has bad BO, that's incorrect writing!

well if youre hairy that shit sucks a lot of stink out

so actually girls when they stink they really smell like shit

i also had a girlfriend who had ibs and when shed go a few days without being able to shit her farts would smell like fuckin death

>>19544564
I don't have such problems.

Does conjugations (especially verb related) get easier over time, or did you guys have to study that a lot specifically? Remembering those rules has been a big bottleneck for me.

>>19544669
yeah
you can't get good at them through memorization, only exposure (reading/listening)

>>19544669
its better if you dont think about them and just let them be

>70% of my language learning time is spent listening
-Steve Kaufman
DJT is so close to understanding language acquisition but it's not quite there.

>>19544702
He's referring to listening to audiobooks while going about his daily life.

>>19544702
It's because he's too old to see the text in his エロゲー and glasses aren't helping anymore

you dont need to understand language acquisition to acquire language

>>19544676
>>19544689
Not him but do you mean you just kinda remember/recognize "this is negative past tense" but you never bother trying to explicitly remember the little differences between the different kinds of conjugations you apply to different verbs and adjectives? Because it would only really matter if you were trying to output early?

>>19544734
The entire conjugation becomes stored in your head even if it's like 15 kana long.

>>19544734
if you watch 10000 hours of anime youll see what i mean

>>19544713
And?
https://youtu.be/DtOvF0poReA?t=1062

>>19544783
What does that video have to do with what I just posted?

>>19544788
It has to do with what I posted and I'm asking what your point was. Was someone under the impression his listening primarily consisted of watching translated films on his iPad?

Memes aside, how many hours do I have to listen until I'm able to follow the majority of some sentences? I got there in reading pretty quickly, but in listening I still only catch set phrases and a word here and there. My ability to learn from reading seemed to go way up when I'm more focused on looking up a couple of words than dissecting an entire sentence. It's hard to be patient about getting to that point in listening.

1万時間de los animes

>>19545039
>how many hours do I have to listen until I'm able to follow the majority of some sentences
1427 hours.
Seriously what kind of question is that? It's based on your brain and there's no way for any of us to tell you that.

>>19545039
You need to listen until you're able to follow the majority of sentences. How long that is is entirely up to your ability to learn.

ichi MAN

i can't wait to learn japanese so i can give approximations for people asking those questions instead of saying worthless garbage like "we're all different! averages don't exist! teehee!" smug fucking pricks.

like what he says in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPC9erC5WqU

ichi MAN

>averages don't exist
They don't. There is no data on the subject you are asking about.

the average is ichi man

>>19545138
Honestly, I can understand most sentences, but I still can't get an approximation because it's not a skill that you develop in isolation. It's heavily based on your vocab and grammar knowledge, so it's nearly impossible to judge on it's own.

>>19545162
Fuck off with that meme shit. 100k hours is ~11.4 years of constant listening.

whoops

btw 100k is pretty reasonable for like approaching fluent mastery

but im talkin about ichi MAN

>>19545120
An answer of 100 hours vs 1000 hours is valuable. Also that's not what Krashen says.
>>19545166
That's reasonable.

>>19545155
you can use the best proxies for cognitive ability we have and then extrapolate. the majority of variance in acquisition is probably explained by learning method although the learning method you use is probably related to your cognitive ability, i.e. dipshit redditors think reading is too hard so they don't even try before getting through genki 1 and 2 and then wanikani for a year and then core6k. super smart DJTers just dive right into yotsuba

underwater squad

Are there different fonts for katakana? Should I do these before or after katakana?

>>19545206
just learn the kanakana and read

you should watch this video immediately to learn japanese

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYcAyremV5o

>>19545215
What if I read and can't recognize the font used in the manga?

>>19545224
It doesn't really vary all that much. Just learn one font and keep going.

>>19545224
Just feel it bro.

>>19545224
try harder prolly
you could put an hour into learning stroke order of kana that aren't incredibly obvious and it might help you with connected strokes and general sloppiness, but you shouldn't waste too much time on it

>>19545224
Just to give you an idea of how much time you should expect to spend, I wouldn't spend more then a week at 30 minutes a day learning hiragana or katakana. Even if you don't have it fully mastered, you should move on, because you will be exposed to hiragana and katakana so much in every other aspect of Japanese study that it will naturally reinforce.

why arent you guys just telling him to write each 1 50 times in the fuckin notebook like you used to

>>19545266
because i have never done that and no one should

for kana? that shits fine and great because then its possible to waste time beyond how long it takes to do that on it

>>19545266
Because that won't work. What he needs is spaced repetition. He needs anki in his life!

>>19545266
I barely even physically write in English anymore.

i mean impossible to waste time beyond that

>>19545266
I've been learning Hiragana for the past 4-5 days writing each one hundreds of times every day. I'm at the point where I wake up and immediately write them all in my brain, so I think I'm ready to move on.

>>19545296
great now start workin on your ichi man hours of anime

deki ninjas go rambo

rambo rambo

>>19545296
Honestly, the test is to just make a chart and fill it in yourself. If you can do that, move on.

>>19543566
>>19545224
Manga isn't reading though

>>19543566
Do RtK. Learn all the kanji. Then you'll just know them all.

follow the newest and latest japanese guide 100% guaranteed to make you fluent

https://nihongobyjamal.neocities.org/

>>19545039
I had watched around 6500 hours of anime at the point when I had learnt enough Japanese to understand raw anime and natives speaking. Since you say you understand written Japanese it should be a lot faster for you to get good at listening

Just pulling numbers out of my ass but 1000 hours sounds reasonable

>>19545138
Actually, you will just realize that there's no way to answer such questions because it varies based in an innumerable different factors that can't possibly all be accounted for, even just averaging. All you could do is tell them exactly how long it took you, which is meaningless to anyone besides you.

>>19545366
>which is meaningless to anyone besides you.
lol complete bullshit.

>>19545375
Its true, unless you assume he did exactly what you did to get there.

>>19545365
you forgot a zero its ichi man

6500 though prolly feels like you can see the light at the end of the tunnel tho

>>19545382
"i read every day for 2 hours and it took me a year to understand 90% of written materials. i transitioned from X material to Y material at roughly the 6 month mark."

yea, it's impossible to get any sort of idea of how fast progression will come for you. we're all so drastically different. einsteins vs ants in this thread. retard.

>>19545396
Its not so simple, as you will learn when you get there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8k1eTEw4rQ

>>19545406
yea it is. "give or take a few months. also i did X on the side which may have helped me so try that too." wow so difficult to give people reference points.

Not all human brains are equal. You can't learn Japanese.

>>19545422
You can simply it like that, go ahead, but it is meaningless to anyone else.

>>19545384
I'm already over 13000 hours now so I think I know better than some shitposter

>>19545439
you are ready to start learning japanese if so

>>19545436
i think you have to be trolling to suggest you've never gotten an idea of how long it takes to accomplish a task by asking random people how long it took them with a few details on their methods to contrast/compare. it's such an incredibly stupid proposition that you have to be trolling.

if you dont understand 100% of this dont post here unless you have a question that is/isnt retarded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDT0Z9WGcC0

>>19545422
>>19545456
Has it seriously never occurred to you that language learning might be a stochastic process?

>>19545474
no because a cognitive task like this couldn't possibly be "random". but i understand why you believe what you believe now so i'm satisfied.

>>19545486
>stochastic = random
Retard detected. Go pick up a dictionary.

>>19545456
And you have to be trolling to think that anyone else's learning ability is even comparable to yours.

>>19545505
thanks for the complement but im not trolling >_<

>>19545511
You assume I meant that in a good way. You could be a sub 110 IQ retard and take three times longer to learn basic Japanese than your peers. Of what use is that to anyone else?

It'd be the same as saying "If you're exactly like me, it will take you X amount of hours to learn Japanese." Yeah, fucking thanks, that helps a lot.

>>19545456
Honestly it varies drastically how you study. I have a friend who nearly aced the N1 exam after a year and half of intense study. But he's a really smart guy. I also have friends who have been studying for 4+ years and can't pass N3.

What matters is how efficiently you study, how much you study, and how consistently you study. Based on those factors, the length of time can vary drastically.

i just picked all random answers and passed n1

banzai bow to my epic iq quotient lmao

I've read more in the past fourteen (14) minutes than the last 40 posters combined have all year.

>>19545590
I read for over an hour today, get rekt

>>19545590
I'll get around to reading after RTK. Don't criticize.

what did you read about

>>19545590
I read 15 pages of a the light novel of Slayers earlier today. Still have time to argue here.

>>19545603
Nothing special, just all of the last 40 posts.

>>19545598
should you be telling people to get rekt when that hour was spent trying to decipher 1 chapter of yotuba

>>19545325
waiting until you can write all kana from memory before moving on is the stupidest fucking thing you can do
just fucking read dude

>>19545590
I have an eroge open in one desktop and this thread up in another. Get good.

>>19545590
Doing my reps and arguing with these fuckers.

ichi man

ichi ban

hei kan

>>19545474
what did he mean by this

>>19545613
You keep thinking you are better than everyone else, I'm gonna watch some gaki no tsukai

>>19545625
looking into a mirrorですか

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>>19545639
日本語でください

>>19545637
good on you mate

>>19545625
that's not reading
you're probably even doing rtk

>>19545650
Hahahaha. Bitch please. I finished RtK yesterday.
I'm doing the 6k deck right now.

>>19545645
ごめん後でね

今repsやってる

Why do some smug anons think that posting here means you don't study?

>>19545687
Because most people here are mount stupid.

>>19545687
Because a lot of people who post here don't study.

unless you build some kind of rocket craft theres no getting off mount stupid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c64sQsABKcM&feature=youtu.be
If you haven't seen this yet, this is magnificent.

>>19545687
I don't study

>>19545717
Nobody cares MALfag.

I care.

>>19545687
because this is the thread for dekinais. try the other djt or the other japanese thread on /int/ instead

>>19545724
Since you seem to like MAL here's a year old snapshot of my anidb account on MAL https://myanimelist.net/profile/Zoi

>>19545763
Again, nobody cares MALfag.

>>19545792
You care

>>19545717
when are you going to hit 2^15 and when you do will you retire or will you go for the big 2^16

>>19545811
Why would I retire from watching anime?
I'm currently watching around 30 shows per season so they would really have to fuck it up on all fronts to make me stop watching anime

I get that you need to use different particles for transitive vs intransitive verbs, but did they really need to make the verb pronunciation and spelling different also? Why not just have the particle difference?

>>19545860
then how would they know when 彼が食べる "he ate" or when it means "ate him"?

>>19545873
wait that made no fucking sense.

>>19545873
彼が食べる = he eats
彼を食べた = ate him
?

>>19545860
I don't know what the fuck any of that shit means. I just feel it.

わたしをちんこが食べた

good luck noobs

>>19545873
I mean like 電気がついた vs 電気を消す. Why kieru and kesu? Why not use kesu for both cases and only change the particle? Where is the logic in also changing kesu to kieru in addition to the particle change?

>>19545892
Isn't that "dick eats you?"

>>19545897
Fuck, I meant 電気が消える vs 電気を消す

>>19545899
Or "me" rather.

i know what you meant

it eats everything it lays its one eye on

>>19545687
I think they assume that because I never study and whip you guys into a frenzy over irrelevant shit that the people who respond to me don't study either.

>>19545903
電気が私を消す maybe could then mean the light turns me off
電気が消す could also be the light turns x off or the light turns off
if you didn't have two verbs. maybe

>>19545943
I guess I don't know enough for that to be a problem, yet.

>>19545953
regardless, the language could function without the distinction, things exist in languages because the language evolved that way

what a shocking *snorts* turn of events

Would playing a video game in japanese for learning ruin the experience of the game? (JRPG)

>>19546022
to me it makes it better. it's different though, since it's a lot slower. but once you get used to that its a lot of fun.

How many NEW anki cards can you do a day?

>>19546022
Do 1 of the following:
Pick a game that you kinda wanted to play but don't care a lot about.
or
Pick a game you really like but have already played through once before.

>>19546022
depends on the game i guess but for the most part playing video games owns!! especially ones where you get to play the game in between deal with lots of text!

>>19546081
As many as you want. But we can only handle so much new information to properly retain long term. So just because you can force 1000 new cards a day doesn't mean you should.

Realistically, unless you have cancer and only have 6 months to live, you really shouldn't be doing more than 20, maybe 30 new cards per day (per deck).