/jp/ - Otaku Culture

what if i told you to stop wasting hours a day on memes and read+listen more

作ってしまった

shit I was so scared that djt was gone for good

Hourly reminder

I want to fuck Aoba

君には無理だ
諦めた方がいい

look at this shit

More New Game animu when?
More New Game mango when?

>>19532846
This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6DX0xO9LmY

Imagine 青葉ちゃん tight cunnny

>>19532650
THIS IS THREAD #1974 YOU BAKA!!

What's the point of learning Japanese if I'm going to forget about it one day?

Which format do you guys use to read novels?

>>19532777
Would ないすばでー normally be in katakana?

I'm just trying to figure out the different components that make up kanji on Jisho so that I can remember them better, but get met with this shit. These aren't what make up the kanji, only mouth is in there. What am I doing wrong?

>>19533007
light

>>19533007
scanlated

>>19533007
LNs aren't reading

>>19533083
then what do you call doki doki LITERATURE club

Hi guys. I was just wondering what the best way to go about kanji is. What do you guys recommend?

>>19533020
you mean lidded top with a sexy scarf?

>>19532650
If you could, which information would you improve, correct or replace within the following pages
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/guide.html
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/resourceguide.html
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/anki.html

Though it might be a useful idea to ask for direct feedback once a week or fortnight. I figure that more people would be willing to respond in these threads than necessarily use the feedback link on the main page of the above alternative OP site.
pic unrelated, just found it rather adorable

ぁ

い

し

て

あ

>>19533020
but they are
i'm unsure why 込 is listed instead of ⻌ but everything else is right
what you're doing wrong is failing to account for the same component being drawn differently in different kanji

い

>>19533191
このバカ

>>19533109
the fuck you on about anon

>>19533189
Yeah.. I'm quickly realizing that working out the components isn't gonna help me memorize shit more. Although learning that ⻌ means movement has helped a lot.

I can't even recognize 洋 until I see it in 洋服, lol.
Same goes with a lot of words.

>>19533206
太平洋
大西洋

Literally all that's needed with that knaji

>>19533206
I have this problem with so many kanji. There's really no way to recognize them on their own, there's just too many kanji out there that look too much alike.

>>19533228
if you wanted to and you already knew japanese you could do some kanji cards to get better at this but it doesn't really matter

>>19533228
Wow it's almost like reading is the correct answer and not trying to "learn" the individual Kanji

You don't have time to fuck about with "sorties" that Heisenberg told you to make up when you're skimming TBS news at 5日本時間 over an 熱い cup of コーヒー, you have to recognize the shapes of entire words, not just the individual Kanji. You also have to know its reading because you otherwise won't know the word, and you have to be able to do all of this on the fly.

Basically you need to realize that RTK is a meme and that reading is not a meme.

>>19533242
>Wow it's almost like reading is the correct answer and not trying to "learn" the individual Kanji
Look I don't know about you guys but even when reading, the process is the same. I find a kanji I don't know, learn it, and study it. There's no way I can memorize it just by encountering it while reading. I can't imagine others can do that either, but maybe I'm just not as retentive as that. The only difference is whether I encounter them during read or on a flash card, but it still just boils down to memorizing them on a flash card in the end.

>>19533251
you only think that because you've never tried

>>19533265
I read raw manga every day. You think I'm gonna learn a new kanji just by reading it? If your brain works like that then you are truly blessed. I still have to take it to flashcards.

>>19533251
I'm not saying don't use flashcards, but put a WORD on that card and not just a Kanji. Learn the word, then you have a reference point for what that Kanji's reading might be in another word when you encounter it, and perhaps even a hint as to what the word might mean.

戦争
戦線
対戦

扇風機
飛行機
機械
機会

会場
会社
社会
大会

特別
特殊
特徴

Obviously this isn't always gonna help, but having an anchor point to reference "oh shit wasn't that in x or y word" is a lot more powerful than your Heisler memes.

>>19533020
baaka, do rtk

Where can I find raw manga online?

>>19533109
based

>>19533251
he didn't say anything about not using anki
learn words not kanji, how you do that is up to you

>>19533242
t. someone who has never done RTK

>>19533270
If you encounter a word shape hundreds of times you're going to remember it. It's no different to flash cards. There's nothing special about learning like this.

おなかがすいたら

なにたべよう

ツナたべたい

>>19533286

I did RTK till 500 or so then got bored because I wasn't learning jack shit, and I'd figured out that actually remembering the Kanji isn't impossible like everyone seems to think. Turns out it's easier for me to jot down some words I find throughout my day, then review them as words and not fuck about with dumbass stories that waste 100% extra time that I could have been reading that article on Kapybaras eating chilled watermelons to beat the 猛烈な暑さ.

>>19533274
Core 2k/6k already does this though, most of the kanji aren't alone once you get past the first hundred or so. Or are you advising to put a bunch of words on one card?

>>19533297
I don't know, some of them were helpful to me. Especially any kanji that have to do with 貝, cuz man does RTK love its shellfish. And any kanji containing 刀, 儿, 勹, etc. I'm only on around 300 so I don't know how it gets later, but I would say so far its been a good time investment (which has only been an extra 10 minute per day, really nothing at all).

>>19533270
Manga isn't reading though.

>>19533297
スイカたかいから

あたしはたべてない

カピパラいいものたべてるなあ

The simple fact is that if you're not learning words, you're not learning anything. Words are going to help you "get" grammar when you need to read Tae Kim's guide and not constantly be going "fuck what is 学校 again?" There's no reason to know that 学ぶ is its own word yet, and 99% of the time when you see 学 it's gonna be read がく, but you'd know that if you learned 大学・小学校・中学校・学生・学者・and conveniently, you'd have also learned a 大 reading (which you'd later find out is an inexact science, down to individual words), 小 not only means small/little but is often read しょう but then you'll meet 小川 some day and go "oh fuck." but you sure as hell won't forget it. If you didn't figure out that 中 gets read ちゅう a lot, you're gonna learn because it's all over the place (熱中症、中央、集中力). God don't get me started on 力, but knowing that things that are a -りょく implies some sort of power/ability/strength/etc doesn't have to come from the Heisendome, it could have just as easily come from you learning 攻撃力 and 防御力 from your JRPG and magically just knowing that 能力　電力 and 魔力 are exactly what they are without even questioning it.

Words are power. Stories are not. You'll learn the Kanji just as quickly through vocab as you will through RTK, except you'll actually be learning Japanese at the same time.

>>19533298
he is arguing against isolated kanji study like rtk
i on the other hand think that you should not use core or at least drop it after 1000 words and mine
anki is not for learning, it is for memorizing, hence the name, you should use srs for things you have seen a few times outside of srs already

>>19533346
So memorizing a word isn't learning it? wtf is it then?

>>19533337
カピバラは超カワイイね？美味しいスイカを食べてるカピバラは嬉しくいいニュースです。

>>19533348
read the guide on effective use from the program that popularized software-based srs
https://www.supermemo.com/en/articles/20rules
there are parts i don't agree with, but the first four points are extremely logical and often cited

>>19533368
This is fine once you know a lot of kanji, but if you are like <500 then you will find many new kanji on every page, so it's not really practical to mine. And once you know more than that, you've obviously got something going that works or you would have stopped a long time ago.

This is about as perfect of a study routine you can get.

>>19533403
i'm not completely opposed to using core for 500-1000 words, just to using it for 2000-6000
many new kanji/words on each page isn't as big of a problem as it seems. you don't mine every new word you encounter, and building up a backlog of mined words isn't a problem either -- you might see them a few more times before you get to them, and that will just make them even easier to get down in anki.
remember that anki is a supplement, you could learn without it, it just helps. your anki deck is not a complete representation of how many words you kn ow.
just because what you're doing isn't a complete waste of time does not mean it isn't worth improving. if you have 90%+ retention and aren't spending an unreasonable amount of time on anki, it's probably fine though.

>>19533460
>if you have 90%+ retention
I wish. At this point I'm convinced that 90% retention is a meme. At least I'd like to believe that, because I'm nowhere close.

>>19533344
dubs and trips confirm

will the geographical deck in the CoR get an update with more content? i'm talking about this one: >>/jp/thread/17711739#p17714645

How do you pronounce the ending of 学生? 'seh' or 'say'? The kana says がくせい, but the audio pronounces it as 'seh'.

>>19533592
がくせえ

>>19533592
えい and おう are often (but not always) equivalent to ええ and おお

>>19533613
>>19533618
Thanks

Why are chinks so afraid of water? Every fucking kanji related to destruction has a left water radical.

>>19533742
I mean go look at chink history, there's at least one flood every century with at least a million deaths from the resulting famine

>>19533742
Read about the Yellow River. 黄河, if you will.

There's also this 四字熟語:

百年清河

referring to waiting for something that will never happen. It has always been yellow, and it was always flooding until the Communist government build a dam with new technology.

Does anyone know where I could find Japanese subtitles for Darling in the Franxx?

>>19533929
三千世界！三千世界！

>>19533997
i tried my hardest to find jimakus for darling, but this is the best i could come up with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_CTLkpUr5g

おはよう。

>>19533592
えい and おう that are pronounced ええ and おお are relics of old etymological kana usage, which reached its peak during Edo and Meiji and was then cancelled in 1946 because the Americans wanted to optimize the Japanese language.

Didn't mean to imply that it declined during Taisho or early Showa, just that the most research into how to spell words in kana etymologically, was done during that time frame. It was used regularly until 1946.

>>19534441
学生は

めいじの旧字のほんよむと

學生ってかいて

グヮクセイってふってあるよ

鼻濁音のことだとおもうんだけど

ひとにきいたことはないよ

せんせいあほだし

>>19534514
そういうかなづかいが成立した江戸時代にはとっくにその発音をするものはいなかった、とのこと
中国のこーきじてんとかその前の辞書を参考にして、日本語での表記を再構造していく試みだったかと
あとは漢音を標準化するのもあった
雑な外人風日本語でごめんなさい

日本人にとっての本来の"GA"は"nGA"である。
しかし若い日本人は"GA"に成っているらしい。

Dear jamal, I can't do simple one liners. I can only write medium sized posts and then groan at all the mistakes in them knowing that I can't reverse the flow of time. This is the pain of production.

please respect rtkids and write in English so we can all understand each other.

can't wait until arabic and mandarin become the lingua francas and we have daily english threads and troll eigo dekinais with quaint historical curiosities like shakespeare, the tale of two cities and harry potter

Why would someone use the DoJG Anki deck vs reading the actual book? The deck is just the book.

can't wait until i die so i can be free from anki

LEARNING KANJI IS FUN

hey guys i learned the 52 upper and lower case latin letters, it only took me two months, should I put the oxford english dictionary in anki now?

>>19533166
Guide: The entire thing is bad. I don't know what I was thinking when I helped write it.

Resource list:
Delete remembering the kana
Delete RTK and kanjidamage, add genetic kanji
Delete Genki, Imabi, and jpod 101
Delete Reading List because it's completely dead and the information on it is wildly inaccurate or worse (>homoerotic slang in yotsuba). Delete aozora because beginners will try it anyway even though it says it's not for them and people who can use it will know about it.

Videos: Delete Namasensei

Dictionaries:
Remove the recommendation checkmark from the Kenkyusha J-E Dictionary
Delete Kojien or at least shift it below Daijirin
Add Daijisen, somewhere above Kojien if Kojien is left on the list

Downloading:
Remove ClubBox

>>19534752
Read Spiderman.

>>19533020
There's a lidded crock on a middle eastern street with a scarf hanging out. Stay distant. It could be a bomb.

>>19534759
For "Resource list" what else would you add? Tae Kim + reading?

>>19534778
Comics aren't reading.

>>19534783
I forgot to mention, I by delete RTK I meant delete RTK but keep the koohii section in its place.

I don't have anything to add, the resource list is just full of cruft because the old maintainers never deleted anything as new stuff kept getting added, unless something no longer existed anymore. You can make a spillover list of "Resources that exist but aren't recommended for various reasons" if you want, if it feels bad to delete stuff.

>>19533166
looking at the resource list:

>You may wish to use this customised layout which adds a mincho/serif font to the cards so you can see how the radicals look in that typeface.

this is after the kangxi radicals deck but seems to be about the kanji radical (primitive) deck. i'm sure it'll work but it should be rewritten or have a note next to it saying it was originally for a different deck

>>19534778
>>19534787
The manga isn't reading either.

>>19534790
Yeah, there's a problem with resource overload in all these guides.

What do you mean by the Koohii section? I've only use that site for their flashcard/spaced repetition for RTK.

>>19534828
I'm saying that koohii should be recommended in place of RTK because just "doing RTK" doesn't make any sense in 2018, and koohii is the only place where remotely sane people apply SRS to RTK.

>>19534787
post a vocaroo of yourself reading chaucer's canterbury tales

AEATT

>>19534836
(I'd like to add that RTK isn't designed for SRS, but that's a different can of worms that I don't want to get into right now.)

I'm glad you don't want to get into it because something like RTK being "designed for SRS" is nonsensical. It just works.

If it was designed for SRS it wouldn't have the senseless order it has where extremely important common kanji like 人 are introduced late just so you don't forget them before they start getting used as components.

The more frequently something appears in native text the less you need to use SRS to remember it, so if anything RTK is optimized for SRS.

That's not an argument because you're not supposed to read while doing RTK, and if you were then it would need to introduce 人 as soon as possible.

>>19534874
>you want all the easy stuff first? why does that matter? you're learning all of them anyway

>>19534891
Who are you quoting?

the rtk order can definitely be improved and then it's not necessary to finish it before learning vocab and reading

Spend 30 minutes doing RTK and 2 hours reading. Bam. Screw what someone thinks you "should" do.

>>19534891
there is no such thing as "learning all of them"
dumb rtkdrone

If you're reading you can skip "RTK" altogether and just apply yourself to whatever you have trouble with instead.

just do your 3 months faggots and start reading. Stop making things so hard for yourselves.

>>19534898
can't attack the point so he nitpicks wording typical

>>19534915
can't attack the point so he strawmans with paraphrased greentext typical

Wait so you learn to write AND it becomes way easier to distinguish similar kanji? RTK it is boys.

>>19534910
Any method that keeps the learner from reading for three months is not a method I would recommend to anybody, ever. And if you don't understand why waiting three months before starting to read is a bad idea, you shouldn't be trying to give advice.

>>19534931
Matt recommends mining example sentences from a grammar guide that has intentionally unnatural example sentences. I don't think you can take anything he says about beginner studies without a bucket of salt.

>>19534935
The only "downside" is that it weeds out people with no motivation.

Yea but Matt is actually fluent unlike anyone here, so anything he says goes. That includes mining "unnatural" sentences to help comprehend basic natural sentences.

>>19534944
That type of motivation doesn't exist dumb fucknugget, and "weeding out" people from learning is a bad thing.

>>19534944
replace "motivation" with "naivete, free time, or lack of other more important responsibilities"

>>19534954
>>19534958
It's not a bad thing. It's a neutral thing. Who cares if some people don't learn?

>>19534964
I do. It's bad. Learning is for everyone.

Can't debate an empty platitude.

>>19534931
Wish I could remember words with 2000 different kanji within the first six months and retain them with issue, and then say I read fluently in the next paragraph. I don't even think I read English fluently (not a first language for me), and I'm not half bad at it by any means. That guy is insane.

>>19534974
Not an argument. Go fuck yourself.

>>19534935
3 months is nothing to the 50+ years your going to be spending reading. Why are you hurrying people without giving them a solid foundation? You want them to brute force it the way you people did in the past?

>>19534974
translated into english: "i can't argue with that without saying something that's obviously wrong"

>>19534981
RTK is not a solid foundation. Next.

>>19534980
No it's just a meaningless platitude. "Breathing is for everyone." No it's not. Some people choke and die. It doesn't mean anything.

>>19534975
*without issue

>>19534988
>Some people choke and die. It doesn't mean anything.
Congratulations! You're a terrible person!

look at this unironic edgelord holy shit lmao

Your idea of what's right and wrong is subjective.
>>19535002
What did I say that's edgy?

>>19535008
>Your idea of what's right and wrong is subjective.
Argument to nihilism. Anything you can say from such a perspective is invalid because such a perspective means that there is no meaning or purpose in convincing anyone of anything.

hey upppercasers pipe down and be cool

>>19534981
This 'foundation' has made some people drop Japanese.

>>19535013
I don't choose what I do though. The world is deterministic.

>>19535016
Instead of just dropping RTK and reading, they drop Japanese altogether? Are you sure this happens?

ah yes, the high iq djt brand debate on science and philosophy

>>19535020
That is literally a highschool tier understanding of free will. Why the fuck are you here?

You are a machine in this pseudo-deterministic world. That machine owns its choices. It makes choices. It owns its actions.

>>19535026
yes
next

Should I shove a copy of RTK up my wife's snatch so my son can come out ready to read?

>>19534759
Why is the guide so bad?

>>19535041
Because I helped write it.

Just started reading Shin Chan.

>>19535041
it spends 80 to 90% of its text on things that only matter for the first couple of months of learning

and approximately two sentences on what you're going to be doing for the next four plus years

>>19535051
also that 80 to 90% is written badly, only like 20% of it has good substance

>>19535038
if your wife won't do that much for you I'd say you might as well divorce her and find a new one

>>19535026
Well, if you are led to believe that you can't learn Japanese without RTK and you burn out on it, why not?

>>19535068
>if you are led to believe that you can't learn Japanese without RTK
Nobody ever claims this. It's just a DJT lie.

>>19535075
dumb rtkdrone doesn't even understand english

>>19535051
What about creating guide for advanced students of Japanese?

>>19535075
Anon, the person you responded to Went Out Of Their Way to not use a word for "telling" or "claiming".

>>19535041
it's not. it's goal is to bring a lot of information together to tell beginners decide how to get started. not to pick the "perfect" method for them.

>>19535077
No I understand. You're arguing that they're led to believe something without presenting any evidence that these people exist in appreciable number. You do this every time. I confront something stupid you say and you dodge by getting into semantics.

>>19535083
my friend
think more about what "advanced students of japanese" should mean
>>19535087
dumb ankidrone

>>19535087
>it's goal is to bring a lot of information together
Is that why I had no such goal in mind when I helped write it, and why I wrote multiple paragraphs on isolated kanji study?

>>19535041

>>19534729
It lets you review stuff conveniently.

>>19535107
this is possibly the only good jamal-flavored content that was ever contributed to this thread

>>19535109
Force-feeding yourself simplified grammar explanations (and all grammar explanations are simplified, unless they concern basic syntax) is bad for your Japanese.

>>19535107
how long until i get to mount stupid? currently doing rtk

>>19535117
You're already on it. But that's not all.

>>19535116
they make incomprehensible input comprehensible so they're good.

>>19535116
You just read through the example sentences. If you understand the point of it, all good.

>>19535125
You don't need or want to use an Anki deck for that. Just read a grammar guide and read.
>>19535129
Sentence cards are for people who don't want to read.

>can't read furigana from a bad manga scan

>>19535134
should of done remembering the kana man

>>19535098
not your shitty guide. the original. it's not maintained because it's perfect the way it is.

>>19535150
Yes. I helped write the original guide. The one at the guide link right now.

>>19535150
buddy if you think that guide is the "original" or "perfect" then i have some stuff to say you won't want to hear

>>19535125
You can't go five lines in a VN without hitting at least a single grammar pattern covered in DoJG or HJGP. Almost always many more. Chances are, they're going to be comprehensible more often than not, even if you can barely read. What's more, they will teach you usage patterns and nuances that are left out or or stated poorly in "grammar resources".

>本当に唐突だし、まったくもってどうでもいいコトなんだけど。
>俺の好きな言葉は『ご飯』だ。
>もしくは『昨日のご飯、何食べた？』でもいい。
>俺はなによりもご飯が好きだ。あったかくて美味しくて、おまけになんだか幸せになれる気がする。
>あ、ご飯だけじゃなくて、おやつも好きだが。

Don't overvalue Anki. Don't undervalue reading.

>post feedback
>i helped
your missing the point. im the original creator. your feedback wasn't much help at all

>>19535171
I literally wrote long sections of text that exist verbatim in the current guide.

You are not the creator of the current guide. I know them personally.

>>19535158
it's the holy grail of japanese learning

>>19535180
it's not
you don't know japanese

Why do lowercase posters want to change the guide?

>>19535171
dumb imposter

>>19535178
oh yeah, well i'll be the judge of that. what's your name and address?

>>19535117
if you keep goin youll get there

after all djt is a wakaba mark shaped planet that youre stuck on forever

think of it like being on 界王s planet in dragonballz except instead of going there to train and get wild and tough and shit you go there to get aids

except that weird epic literate guy hes got like trunks time machine and flies up and laughs at you and then goes to another dimension lmao

>>19535194
Last name is Fisch. Live in Switzerland.

tfw ESL EOP

thought so. you dont know me

>>19535207
It's funny because we literally know the name and country of the person who wrote the Guide. And his last name is Fisch and he lives in Switzerland.

You just got baited, son.

nice

man it sure was epic owning yall with my stupid nihongo guide

every time i hear someone is reading yotuba i pee a little with glee

you said personally. that's not my real name.

>>19535228
Yes it is.

He's also a dedicated uppercase poster and would never come to 4chan and post anything as rude as you post. He also always posts Yuru Yuri fanart with his posts so people know it's him.

So the lowercase posters are confirmed newfags.

I did it guys, I managed to find the good that was buried in the guide all along!

>>19535196
I think imouto is a formidable user (使い手) of Japanese. She has read Meiji literature in the original orthography, is familiar with classical authors and has consistently demonstrated her skill in making ostensibly childish, but actually very well composed posts that display brevity and eloquence. She appears to have taken the kanji kentei and reacts favorably to others mentioning it. I'd be confident in saying that she surpasses the majority of native speakers of Japanese and secretly believes that we should all read じゅんすいぶんがく.

>>19535251
i was only called in by the illumin/a/ti to take care of an ugly little blemish on their board

Sorry, better kanji would be 遣い手. Didn't even pay attention typing on my phone.

>>19535312
oh yeah imotos fuckin sick idk why people give them shit

>>19535317
通可射手

>>19535317
how about 鉄拳

I love Japan music !

same

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quJvkUlpIVw

>>19535251
we're not all one person

>>19535087
it would be better for that purpose if some of the materials listed weren't objectively shit

yes let the noobs be in charge of their own destiny they will certainly learn nihongo

lmao

>>19535312
You know you're praising an autistic nip that just indirectly makes fun of us and our shit nihongo with his gibberish right?

>>19535269
I've seen this posted before but finally, saved.

>>19535317
i havent gotten to 遣 in rtk yet

>>19535048
Manga isn't reading though.

>>19535337
girugamesh!

>>19535443
I'm autistic as well so that's good enough for me. But ultimately the reason I wrote that is because I felt a lot of warmth from imoto as she kept replying to my posts for several threads straight, and suddenly I saw him as more than what you just said him to be. Hell, anything to motivate me to read more books.

How much Kanji will I need to learn until I can read this? I don't recognize any of these ones.

>>19535520
Not even 己？

>>19535443
behold the typical dweller of mount stupid

>>19535520
this is vietnamese written with chinese characters

>>19535520
That's Korean

>>19532650
>https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/
Why another one?

>he actually thinks that
i bet you don't even know japanese

>>19535592
the old site is completely unmaintained (not just the guide, every single page on it) and it cannot be transferred to a new owner

>>19535610
Oh.

>>19535610
how do you know he won't come back

>>19535520
>>19535556
>>19535580
That's Hebrew though. Mercurius is a Jew.

>>19535621
they permanently disowned djt

>>19535520
It is clearly Hebrew. You need to familiarize yourself with the writing system. Start with Egyptian hieroglyphics and work your way down to Imperial Aramaic and then Hebrew in order to understand how the characters work. But you still won't know Hebrew, so get to memorizing the vocabulary next. Mine your sentences from the Talmud and don't bother with anything else. In due time, you'll be ready.

if you cant read this lil intro without pausing your nihongo is trash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iof8tUN-fP0#t=57

I know we don't like textbooks here, but honest opinions on Tobira?

you must turn the ノブ to open the ドア

>>19535669
Too easy. May as well be in English.

>彼は売り上をグラフにした
W-what's the を and に doing there?

>>19535683
its literally a childs video game though a fun one

>>19535443
One of the hallmarks of autism is extreme cynicism, try to curb it.
Also it's not gibberish.

>>19535167
>Don't undervalue reading
This, but the issue you find especially in online circles is an obsession with having a 100% perfect understanding of every single word on the first encounter. It's not intuitive to people that it's actually unnecessary for gaining fluency. Missing the forest for the trees so to speak.

What are some 漢字 that are easy to remember for you because they symbolize universal truths/values?
Things like 凹,凸,嫉,etc.

>>19535803
What are some 漢字 that are easy to remember for you because they symbolize things from eroge?
Things like 女,妹,好,胸,ect.

>>19535742
>This, but the issue you find especially in online circles is an obsession with having a 100% perfect understanding of every single word on the first encounter. It's not intuitive to people that it's actually unnecessary for gaining fluency. Missing the forest for the trees so to speak.

It's weird, because none of understand 100% of English we find in a new book or even daily life. We learn new words and expressions often.

>>19535836
膣
姦
辱
孕

>>19535841
I only noticed that your post was missing a word after I decided to read it again to think on whether there was any vocabulary or expressions that I might be unsure about.

>>19535841
found the esl

>>19535836
臀部
尻

>>19535836
脇
腋

>>19535689
have you tried skimming a grammar guide instead of mining sentences from core

>>19535836
精、搾、吸、腸、尿

>>19535915
I'd love to get better at English. Lots of real literature out there that I'd gladly read. Yet I cannot dedicate time to getting better both at Japanese and English while I must also monitor DJT lest I miss out on the hot new batch of jamalposting and the occasional autists embarrassing themselves (not that they're aware of that, so I guess they aren't truly embarrassing themselves, but I still get a laugh). In the end, I write ESL臭い posts and I post them here and I wonder to how many people they sound obviously Chinese or something, all the while hoping that someday... someday I'll enter the spirit of the English language, and clasp the inner source of untarnished native output, but not today. Today, I need my jamal-input.

>>19536038
>Yet I cannot dedicate time to getting better both at Japanese and English
What exactly is so hard about it? Just google the occasional word you don't know.

>>19536038
jamal input is actually good for you because it's casual

Could someone help me with that phrase, what is こぎ supposed to mean here?

その中で、自衛隊員でも消防隊員でもない男性が、ひとりでも多く助けようと、力尽きるまでこぎ続けていた。

Link of the article:
https://www.asahi.com/articles/ASL7B6G1SL7BPTIL04M.html?iref=pc_rellink

>>19536038
Your english spells of ESL because it's TOO literary, not because you're not good enough at literary english. Spend more time on twitter and IRC.

>>19536060
smells*

>>19536054
>>19536060
Don't encourage more people to type like Jamal-tier retards. The state of the English language is bad enough as it is.

>>19536060
He's definitely not good enough. He sounds like a moron.

>>19536059
漕ぎ続ける bro

>>19536073
Not enough conversational input is all I'm saying.

>>19536071
That's not what I'm encouraging.

being esl is having your head stuck in your ass, you try to become better and better only to realize you stick out too much and the natives make fun of you for speaking properly.

>>19536085
>That's not what I'm encouraging.
Yes, you are. Conversational English is horrific thanks to crap like social media.

>>19536100
Not at all.

being esl is frankly awesome because not only do you have your own native language with lots of deep and rich culture tied to that shit bag eops will never understand but then you also can step into the world arena with epic eigo

>>19536084
>漕ぎ続ける
thanks

>>19536100
t. classist esl with an inferiority complex

good conversational english is being able to create nonce jargon with the same underlying structural and connotational motivations that a native would use

>>19536100
Retard

Is there an actual subgroup of online weirdos obsessed with EOPs and ESLs?

>>19536125
That's not what EOP means.

imagine being on modern social media all the time and just getting depressed as fuck lmao

>>19536133
not gonna lie I have to mute shittons of people on twitter just because they spam depressive bullshit and "I want to die" all the time

>>19536130
What do you think I think it means?

>>19536139
it means that among english-language and japanese-language works you only consume the english ones

should i make a twitter guys

i could tweet about how i clean out my gutters or regrout my bathroom and then immediately after sit down and own/help noobs on djt while playing classic games on my pc98 classic computer system

>>19536154
It's worth having a twitter to follow gurus like Matt and Kaufman.

>>19536154
yes, make a twitter then follow all the lewd japanese artists and immerse yourself in the ultimate compelling content: jokes about public sex and getting arrested for molestation

>>19536164
you meant to write not worth right

>>19536168
personally id just follow https://twitter.com/mareni14 and call it a day

>>19536180
Uh excuse me but what other language gurus exist on twitter?

>>19536186
https://twitter.com/mareni14

What if I told you that "jail" and "prison" aren't synonyms?

>>19536052
Can't read books when I'm reading 4chan lmao

>>19536073
In part that is because I sound like a moron in any language, but I've accepted it.

>>19536060
Kind of hate western twitter, but I'll do my best.

This post was really hard to write.

>>19536200
id say youre prolly a fat ass american

>>19536216
at least i speak modern english instead of the queen's english

the queen is epic and proper mate

>>19536216
No fat here, sorry.

>>19536259
are we gonna have to do the pinch test

>he will never experience freedom

amerifats are too blinded by facebook and twitter and what retarded shit their idiot puppet president is saying next to be free

some really sugoi example sentences we have got here boys

>>19532777
i would love to just stick my face in between those and *brrrrrrrrr*

>>19536304
i wana stick my dick into the nipples personally

>>19532777
taht's so stupid

https://vndb.org/v21667
Someone read this and tell me how difficult it is thx

>>19536310
bout tree fiddy

>>19536310
It's a Nitroplus game, so you probably need to be a polyglot and polymath to interpret and understand it on anything but a surface level.

>>19536286
I'm not gay but I'd watch them make out and fuck.

oh thats the new nitroplus

im not interested in it cuz it looks really fuckin trash and id rather play dragon knight but since it looks to be for edgy teens id say its pretty futuu

>>19536310
That looks so hot. I must read it...someday.

>>19536297
what the fuck? I can't understand that explanation at all. how the fuck am I supposed to learn Japanese grammar? what the hell does mono do? it's impenetrable.

>>19536310
if you're stupid enough to ask this question it's too hard

>>19536341
Having an IQ higher than 90 would be a start.

>>19536337
its hutuu not futuu, wtf jamal your romanji game used to be on point

>>19536310
Genuinely the first time I've felt tempted to read a VN.

>>19536374
VNs are fun.

>>19536341
atawazu

>>19536060
>Literary
Anon, I take it you don't read very much.

>>19536341
just read the example sentences

>>19536366
its the same thing

>>19536374
found the sociopath

Gonna read some porn guys, see you whenever.

>>19536449
Okay, but porn isn't reading.

>村
>town
>町
>village
what did heisig mean by this?

Anyone here know if you can turn bookwalker ebooks into html files,so I can use yomichan?

>>19536536
https://jisho.org/search/%E6%9D%91
https://jisho.org/search/%E7%94%BA
That's exactly how it is, you tard.

imagine replying to that post lol

>>19536536
Yea I heard that those keywords/meanings are usually used the other way around. But anon just linked jisho so maybe those people who claimed that were wrong. I'm definitely not gonna look to see for myself.

>>19536608
i don't think you understand that your post proves my point that he reverted the two, 村 is more often than not mean "village" while 町 is more often than not used to mean "town", thanks for further elaborating for me while making yourself look like a retard.

>>19536640
My bad. I don't usually read terrible posts that carefully.

>>19536307
that would never work

>>19536658
look up "nipple penetration"

誅

私はあんたが怖いです

>>19536722
i believe you are a scary?
i need to read tae kim because i can't parse this

「こういう時でも、しっかり兄の乳首を摘んでくる子だった。」, what is the purpose of 「子」 on this phrase? I can kind of make sense of the overall meaning of this sentence without 「子」, but I don't fucking know what the fuck this kanji is doing there.

>>19536749
no its: i am you're scary
it might be hes name

>>19536749
思うより簡単ですよ

>>19536758
its not doing anything it just is

its the grammar that does things

>>19536758
もしもし、警察？

>>19536758
Wiktionary has a great page on nominalizing suffixes.

>>19536784
so it's just there for no reason at all? Like, there is no changing of connotation or anything?

>>19536790
It's from the first scene of 「キミのとなりで恋してる！」.

>>19536817
Thanks, will take a look.

time for reps

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1532672488746.webm

>>19536847
Based Hatako.

>>19536847
same

>>19536771
thinking is simple than yo

>>19536827
You seem very lost, so I feel inclined on giving you a hint. 子 isn't a random kanji, it's a word. A very important word in that sentence.

can you guys who make these bad threads actually just tell people to watch some extensive amount of subtitled anime before they try to read shit if they have no other real japanese background

thx

>>19535915
Think about how you learned your native language. A lot of what you heard and read flew over your head, yet you still achieved fluency, didn't you?
You can always correct misunderstandings as you see phrases in different contexts, and you can always reread books, put it down and come back to it later, etc.

>>19536942
i plateaued in both languages i claim to know because i got to the point where i can have fun with the unwashed masses and rarely learn anything new and settled into my rut filled with complacency and smugness

of course theres shit i dont know but i dont care because i got the shit i do know

>>19536847
立派なＷＥＢＭですよ
大好き！

>>19536401
I read more than you.

>>19536525
Porn is not just reading, it's the highest form of literature.

>>19537021
youre very fond of the stand up faction webm?

>>19536536
He meant that he didn't know Japanese when he made RTK.

>>19536536
KKLC is a more refined take on the heisig concept, check it out

KKLC is pointless because its mnemonics are really poor for remembering how to write, in which case you could just read if you want to better recognize kanji. KKLC is a pointless middle ground.

KKLC isn't for learning to write because there's no point in learning to write more than very basic things until you know Japanese.

you don't read more than me if you think that english is too literary for a 4chan post

nobody said it was too literary for a 4chan post

why is it called shikkoku? did it use to be 4 countries?

>>19537071
>Yet I cannot
>while I must also
>lest I
>aren't truly embarrassing themselves
>In the end,
>I wonder to how many people
>all the while hoping
>enter the spirit of the English language
>untarnished
Reads with the prose of a badly-written mid-1900s novel.

>>19537082
Based rtkiddie

>>19537098
i don't use rtk

>>19537095
who are you quoting?

>>19537105
A post from this thread.

>>19537105
that is not how that meme is used
lurk more

>>19537103
Well you better start acting like it.

mvq unread natives hear an ESL use untarnished and they say his english is too literary and not natural enough

>>19537114
what meme are you talking about? can you explain it in japanese if possible

it's not the word itself but the context in which it was used. it just comes off really awkward

>>19537135
this
misusing adjectives is a hallmark of badly written literature

>>19537122
yeah my dude this is 4chins not your diary no one cares that you have access to thesaurus.com

>>19537122
fwiw when i say i found the esl it doesnt mean theres anything wrong with their english other than the fact i can tell theyre not native

i hope you all can get to that level of japanese someday

Same here. I'm so grateful to Dan for being so honest and for putting himself out there to help us out. I'll make super sure not to make the same mistakes he did.

See you at the top, fellow AJATTer! ;)

yall should really stop worshiping the king of r/learnjapanese and drop the r/

oh wow how clever

i know

>>19537116
shouldn't it be 四県 anyways?

>>19536758
If you're having problem with that sentence, your problem is that you really lack understanding of jap syntax.
in 「兄の乳首を摘んでくる子」 子 is the fucking subject, obviously refering to a younger sibling of the aforementioned 兄. In this case 兄 is the dirrect object complement as indicated by を.
It's the same 子 you'd encounter daily in the form of 「あの子」for example.
How come you don't even fucking understand that without reading about it?
センスないからジャップ語を諦めろ

>>19537267
Man, you're embarrassing.

>>19536758
Read a grammar guide.
>>19537267
Don't bully beginners.

>>19537267
what the hell does any of this mean?

>>19537095
I don't get it. Apart from "lest I" (and arguably "untarnished"), nothing there is outlandishly evocative of deliberate pedantry, This is.

Rather than bashing okay-written English, you should focus on the intentional shitty punctuation we have around.

>>19537267
local anon projects inferiority complex onto others when they show less proficiency in a skill than he

>>19537267
dang bro consult this >>19536847 except what the fuck are you on about also

>>19537295
Anon if you don't see why the other phrases used there make you sound like a book you need to get better at English. Especially "Yet I cannot" and "all the while hoping". In fact "lest I" is one of the least bookish since people still unironically say it in jest in real life.

>>19537295
bring it on grammar police yall are the djt mall cops

>>19537295
cringe

"all the while hoping" is basically a stock phrase in english-second-language grammar resources and phrase books so you should go out of your way to avoid using it unless you're native

>>19537308
>In fact "lest I" is one of the least bookish since people still unironically say it in jest in real life.
I don't know where you live, but no one would seriously say that around here.

>>19537318
They say it in jest, not "seriously".

>>19537322
No not even that.

>>19537329
I'm sure it's a regional thing.

>>19537308
Dude, seriously stop. It's like you can't handle any English above a 6th grade level.

>all the while hoping
>"book sounding"
Yikes.

I'm getting the impression that it's surprising to you that people want to use varied words and phrases in their everyday vocabulary.

>>19537341
You can't communicate. Nothing here is about "handling" their writing, it's about the fact that it obviously reads like a book. If you take issue with pointing this out, take issue with pointing it out, stop projecting.

>>19537295
i'm surprised these people didn't jump on you for using evocative

pack up this thread boys its been lost to the uppercase fags who wanna fight about eigo

>>19537351
infinitely more interesting than lowercase shitposting

>>19537308
No, you're just nihilist debris who has been taught language should be vulgar and non-compromising.

People complain about my written AND spoken native language every now and then because it's "too booky", so I don't think it's necessarily a problem with my level English, just the fact that I don't limit myself to "English Core2k" like most people seem to do.

Allow me to paraphrase this for lurkers.
>Woe is me! My English is still transparently unnativelike. What ever shall I do? Nay, there is nothing else to do: I shall drown myself in the elaboration and complexity that is English Literature once more.
>Dude you sound like a book. Stop reading and start inputting with conversational English.
>There is nothing wrong with his English. Why do you take issue with him writing with a flavorful repertoire? Are you anti-intellectual?
>Fuck off, dumbass.
>>19537365
Fuck off, dumbass.

>>19537365
this conversation is literally about someone who takes issue with the fact that they're obviously non-native and the fact that it's obvious because they sound like a book and use outdated expressions inappropriately
空気を読め

>>19537368
That's less book and more like English 200 years ago when it was better.

>>19537377
If older is better than everyone should be speaking in proto-human song.

>>19537267
>If you're having problem with that sentence, your problem is that you really lack understanding of jap syntax.
You made me remember about something I've forgotten, thanks.

>>19537279
>Don't bully beginners.
Sometimes a slap on the face is necessary.

>>19537380
That's not a slap on the face, that's a punch in the gut.

>>19537379
>older is better
I didn't say that.

I wrote a shitty なろう系ラノベ, you ゲェジ should be able to read it.
https://ncode.syosetu.com/n6841ew/
pls rate

Also if you want something more serious to read here's a LN a jap friend wrote, it's a completed work too, there's about the equivalent of 2 LN volumes in term of character numbers.
https://ncode.syosetu.com/n7051ed/

>>19537380
slapping them in the face with your retard arm (idk the proper term for it you know when theres a retarded person who has a fucked up bent arm or whatever - that thing) is still a slap in the face but it doesnt really look great for either party

There's plenty of beauty and complexity to clean modern written English. You don't have to sound like a book to write it. Being unable to control the registers of speech you're using is a flaw and imperfection, don't flaunt it, it's tacky and blasphemous.

This goes for Japanese, too. Read porn and bad comics, not just full-length novels.

>>19537383
I mean, this is an anonymous imageboard, nothing is a punch in the gut unless you really want it to be.

>>19537394
Well shit, you have a point

>>19537267
uppercase assholes

English is an awful langauge

>>19537267
Retarded nigger

>>19537394
Look, if I said something that's so terribly wrong, feel free to correct me. I can take it without being a whiny bitch, which used to be the norm in the /jp/ hood.

>>19537380
Hey buddy, glad I could help. *hi fives*

>>19537428
looks like this guy took care of it >>19537427
but hes still not allowed to say that word and will be destroyed

>>19537428
>*action*

>>19537437
welcome to 2018 what would you like to order

>>19537442
Lots of cyanide.

I'm a retard who ended up just doing anki and nothing else for two years before I gave up. Don't do core6k, it becomes far too easy to ignore doing anything else because you still have x thousand cards to go. Once I finished 6k I just found another deck to mindlessly do without bothering to really try. I hate myself for wasting so much time.

>>19537375
And my point is "literally" ordinary people will call my speaking unnatural despite me being a native with more command of the language than them.
So, unless you want to point out grammar mistakes made by the poster, I'm just assuming you're part of the "BIG WORD BAD, PLEASE SIMPLE ENGLISH" crew.

Or maybe I could interpret your words as "I know people are ESL when they don't sound like a 12 years old girl".

>>19537428
ok dude explain to me

how the fuck

this happens

>センスないからジャップ語を諦めろ

>>19537454
i have 3000 cards left. i do a sentences deck along so it isn't so awful

what's the problem with core?

>>19537457
it's entirely possible to tell the difference between an esl sounding like a book and a pretentious native prick sounding like a book
the age and structure of the expressions used is part of this
things from the late 1800s and early 1900s are more common in esl literary writing, and they're more likely to use weird structures that clash with how colloquial english sentence structure works
pretentious native pricks are more likely to use drop-ins and don't generally distinguish based on age

>>19537454
Read more ain't just a meme.

>>19537457
>they don't sound like a 12 years old girl
Sexist classist pig detected. Actually,
>12 years old girl
ESL pretending to be a native speaker arguing about English detected.

>>19537461
I think he means that he got used to anki and never moved on with reading and grammar.

>>19537461
Are you reading?

to be honest i feel like the x years old thing seems intentional

like how i write your gay

seriously if you wanna know whos fuckin got it and who doesnt just ask me ill tell you

>>19537461
I became obsessed with anki and thought just doing it more would make me better. I wish I had done at most 2K then gone onto reading and using a mining deck.

>>19537465
it's the br they do this all the time
>>19537482
no putting "literally" in single scare quotes tipped me off who he is, it's the br who ruined the thread for a few weeks near the start of 2017

>>19537476
only manga raws, unfortunately

i do get overwhelmed with text (as in, losing context) and i should move on

>>19537493
Eating manga is fine. Just make sure you add in other stuff in other formats when you can.

How to learn nihongo.
1. Read nihongo
2. Listen to nihongo
3. Speak nihongo
4. Write nihongo

There you go, I've unlocked the secret.

>>19537497
This is in order, too. Good job.

>>19537487
yeah thats true that not something someone being ironic would quote and looks fairly fuck tarded

honestly i think all uppercasers are that br except the ones that respond favorably to my jokes

bring back flags

>4. Write nihongo

>>19537463
I see what you mean, but if it's not ungrammatical, I don't see a problem or reason to complain.
Which comes back to your point of not necessarily saying being ESL is a bad thing, so I respect your opinion in this context.

>>19537465
Where did I say I'm a native ENGLISH speaker? You do know other countries have native languages too, right? Is this the power of a 12yo trying to discuss on the Internet?

>>19537487
>they
Did you just not assume my gender?

>>19537505
look dont worry about writing nihongo

but still write it

>>19537506
I didn't say you said you were a native English speaker, I said you were pretending to because you were avoiding mentioning that you were ESL. There's nothing wrong with being ESL, of course, but it seemed to me as though you were being manipulative.

>>19537505
You can't be fluent if you can't write. You don't need it for porn games though.

>>19537454
dang I'm surprised people actually do this. I'll have finished RTK in a mere 4 months after which I'm diving straight into native material. no more decks for me until I get RTK reviews down after which I might mine jp definitions.

>>19537521
I can't even write English. I'm missing some fingers and it's too hard to use pens or pencils. Am I not fluent? I'm a native speaker and I can do written communication just fine since I can still type.

>You can't be fluent if you can't write. You don't need it for porn games though.

>>19537528
>I'm missing some fingers
Damn anon, what the fuck happened?

>>19537537
I was born this way.

please do not argue about english if you're not a native speaker of english
i mean absolutely no offense it's just that you probably don't have the perspective on english necessary to do so
i'd never listen to what a JSL here said about japanese registers of speech, even if they can prove they're completely fluent and their japanese writing lacks any mistakes
maybe dialectology but that's pushing it and they'd have to prove an understanding of modern linguistics

>>19537511
I don't have to explicitly say "ESL HERE" for you, you're a native English speaker! (aren't you?). You should have decent text comprehension to infer these things.
I made it pretty clear here >>19537365 that I have a native language about which people complain, and that that means it's not an English-exclusive problem.
So if the native language I'm talking about is not English, I think you can pretty much infer I'm not a native English speaker, am I wrong? Could it be my 4 digit IQ ESL brain makes me assume everyone has divination powers like me?