/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>OP
Who?

>>OP
tldr please, that's a lot of text

male collabs don't make someone a whore.

>/never/
What did she mean by that?

Is she a primarily GFE type chuuba? If not, she shouldn't care.

>>49931398
shes going to what she wants.

Unicorns dont exist

>>OP
Why are you hiding the like-count OP

>>OP
Remnants and vanguards of the unicorn bros remain and keep the dream alive while the troons consume their holoslop and nijitrough

>>49931426
Wow you actually read that far. What kind of a superhuman are you?

>>49931362
>>49931398
/vnug/ girl
>https://twitter.com/AmoriaVNU/status/1660509500258828288
>https://twitter.com/KaineKnight_
ISREAL
it looks like a troon however but good measures taken

>>OP
Issue us that it will 100% bleed into her regular content, expect to see more homo collabs in the near future and then she will end up dating some guy and bring him on stream all the time.

>>49931428
Her mascot is a unicorn.
Her debut pretty much was blatant pandering to troonicorns.
She might be reaping what she sowed.

>>OP
>I'm going to suck cock
>I'm directly acknowledging that I'm going to suck cock
>it's for my professional development
>just don't watch it if it offends you
>please don't be mad but let me do it anyway
>what you fear is going to happen, isn't going to happening, although it's happening
>I promise
I don't know. Sounds like she wants to have it both ways. Pick a lane, bitch.

>>OP
unfortunate
guess I’ll unsub

>>49931464
because its bloated with the usual “let the girl do what she wants” cuck mentality.
I like it cuz it sends a good message.

>>49931398
>"I'm going to collab with some males, but it's only and purely for business purpose, no romance involved. Don't worry and don't bother my collab partners or talk about it too much during the stream"
That's basically it and yeah, it's unironically good approach as long as they can keep it at the "business only" line

>>49931670
Show membership join date

>>49931686
>as long as

>>OP
Pathetic

>>OP
it is a good approach as long as she stays professional. Friendly is fine, but flirting would ruin the message.

>>OP
She probably has less than 10 members, who is she talking to?

>>OP
>respect this rare professional opportunity for me!
I assume this is also what Lia thought when she answered that donothon voice actor groomer call.

>>OP
>Korean woman
>promises to not engage in NTR
DYRBI?

>>49931976
I feel bad for Likers but that was so fucking funny

>>49931686
There is no good approach to male collabs, she is still a whore, ditching you guys for the first chance of clout she can get, while trying to convince you guys it’s cool

>>OP
Funny that the koreans are making their move
>>49930982

How hard is it not collabing with males?

>>OP
>first person she collabs with out of company is some guy she’s going to “voice act” with
thank god I don’t watch small corpo’s

>>OP
Is her fanbase called AMorons? Kek

>>49932147
Yeah. She gave a few options in her debut and the chat chose Amorons.

>>OP
>aspiring VA
Anons, if you are unicorns don't go for this type of girl. Having a career in voice acting, much like real acting requires contacts and sucking a dick or two to move up. They WILL collab with males if they get her a foot inside the bus.

>>OP
>correct approach to undesirable collabs
Or maybe just don't do them.
Don't make no problem, won't be no problem.
Easy.

>>OP
>Will talk excessively about some kpop fag group
Still a whore

>>OP
>oh noooo, my oshi can't collab with males, if she does, she's sucking their cock in real life
Jesus fuck, this is such a cringe outlook.

Amoria did this 100% correctly in how she treated this, professionally while not overlooking problems that some of her fans might have. Actual live flesh idols do programs and events with males almost all the time, because it IS PART OF THE ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS and TV shows/radio programs/promotional events have many tons of male hosts. If she is looking to expand her voice acting career, then it stands to reason she needs to interact with male VAs.

Hopefully she sticks to her word and it doesn't become a problem.

>>49932113
>>49931540
Why is it always the koreans????

>>49931686
>business only
Define "business only" that we seen in twitch chubba space. Are we gonna see a VA dude in a donothon livestream for 30 mins straight invite her to a con or another VA telling her to pickup his discord call after he spam on her chat.

I get what Kson meant when she said westerners do a weird unicorn larp now.

>>49932194
Same thing can be said about any aspiring vsinger, since they have no chance to break through into mainstream music unless they play dirty.
Most of them are just used for small time gains and sexual favours and then thrown out.
Entertainment is a filthy business all around.

How does collabing with males one time help her VA career? Seems weird to me

>>49932338
The collab is payment for private lessons off stream usually, or contacts later on.

>>49932338
It doesn't. She's taking a week off after (to go visit him).

>>49932022
Laliberte and ratatatat bros, we eating good.

>>49932338
Most VAs dont exclusively record with other girls

>>OP
Western vtuber was a mistake. Nijis are twitch streamers with anime avatar. These are my stances. And I'm very strict with chuuba's PR rep.

But this chuuba fucking impressed me. Crazy level PR.
>this is a “not shut up and let me do what I want”
With this level of PR she will do well in many things not only vtubing.

But there are some weaknesses in her statement.
1) she conveyed the message “I know you guys wanna keep me yours, but let me do my career stuff too”. This part isn’t subtle, it breaks the GFE immersion. It feels like rental girlfriend.
2) she conveyed the message “your obsession with me is abnormal in the sense that it affects my other work such as voice acting“. It breaks the GFE immersion and awakens the fans. She shouldn’t express something like parasocial is inconvenient or wrong but lets do it anyway.

Not the best PR possible but I’m insanely impressed by her. She probably has some related experience in service industry or something.
Best non holo PR I’ve seen in a while. (some Holos have shitty PR rep too)

>>49932401
They do if they only do CGDCT.
>overlooks all the VAs there started off in harem shows

>>49932338
It to see her potential for her next interview on a couch.

>>OP
>I aM GOnnA bEcOMe a BIG VoICe AcTOR LeAVe Me aLOnE
sure you are

>>49932330
I'm happy that my sheep don't need to suck dick anymore

>>49932447
I agree, it's clear she's had experience with this and that's good feedback, but there's no way getting around point 1 if you're actually addressing the elephant in the room.

>>OP
link the stream frame later, i'll give her some mean comments and chat and give her some dislikes with my 10 yt accounts

>>OP
A lot of word, looks like a red flag about to happen.

>thinking words are what unicorns judge by
no it comes down to their judgment of their actions, they follow their principles and nothing else
it's the same psychology as how you'd look at your gf and her respect for you, if they get the sense that she's getting more interested in another guy then they lose interest, but it's not something they do lightly (unlike the unicorn LARPers)
and how much they seethe has nothing to do with it, that's just the schizo level of the individual, most will just silently leave if that's their decision

>>49931686
They really have to fucking explain the obvious so that you retards don't get jealously insecure about it huh

>>OP
>Obake Pam
>its from that godawful company nexstage
Why the fuck would she accept this collab?

>>49932447
Good post.

>>49932447

>>49932526
>They do if they only do CGDCT
Its pretty common for even CGDCT to have a few token named male characters (younger brothers or fathers usually)

>>OP
>unicorn oshi mark
>betray the unicorns
lol

>>49931406
Ok sistet

>>49931406
This is voice acting, but otherwise, male vtubers were a mistake.

>>49932636
That's why her promise for it to not become a regular thing is important, if she holds her word, then unicorns should have no problem.

is this another voice acting korean who collabs with males who isn't kronii?

>>49932447
K copecorn.

>>OP
Really the best part of this is the polite “stop being yesmen, I’m trying to get real feedback here”

>>OP
I have been subscribed to her for a while, but I never really watched her for too long. Still, this is a pretty reasonable statement so I'm not unsubscribing.

>>49932682
she is a homobeggar falseflaggin as a unicorn

>>49932338
A female makes a male VA fall in love with her and thanks to him she gets contacts and is hired for nepotism

>>49932651
Obake Pam is from Playasia. Nexstage only has two talents left, Ayla and Zhuni. Amoria was friends with Blair, one of the Nexstage talents, but she is graduating soon so it's irrelevant.

>>49932696
Even if it was a regular thing it won't be a problem if she keeps it professional.
I'm pretty sure this thread is all falseflaggers with how comical they all act and how clearly no one watches her.

>>49932726
Indeed, most members will never say anything against their oshi in fear of her disliking them.

>>OP
>aspiring VA
ABORT ABORT

>>49932194
>>49932330
Same thing with corpochuubas.

>>49932772
Sorry, I should have clarified, regular as in collabs every other week unrelated to voice acting.

Also, something else to fix:
>all *reasonable* unicorns should have no problem
Unreasonable unicorns are more trouble than they're worth.

>>49931463
A whore wouldn't know, they only show up and can be touched by pure maidens

>>49932834
I love this. It's how it starts, isn't it? Let me guess: the unreasonable ones are virgin incels, yes?

>>49932696
it's far more nuanced than that, this isn't something you can logically find some general conclusion over, it's instinctual as a result of gorillions of years of evolution

>group collab that happens to involve a male member
>make it sound like it's a 1-on-1 male collab
>"SHES A WHORE!!!!111!!!11"
Pick better bait next time, retard.

>>49932834
If you don't trust your oshi enough to not think she will fuck a man after one stream together you don't meet the first requirement of being a unicorn.

>>49932879
>male collabs are fine if its in a group
kys homobeggar you will NEVER be welcome in vtubing

>panders to unicorns
>first out of corp collab is with a male
>says it’s to help her voice acting career
>blatantly lies and says it will never bleed into her channel’s content
Another stupid western whore, you can’t play both sides and expect to come out a winner…I give it a month tops before she collabs with another male.
I don’t understand women like this, if you’re scared of the backlash and problems that will possibly arise from doing shit like this how about you just don’t do it?

>>49932918
>he thinks I'm a homobeggar
Lol. LMAO even.

>>49932639
Those "retards" are clearly her prime audience. She is free to pander to collab beggars if she doesn't want to deal with this :^)

>>49932772
>>49932834
It's a slippery slope and never turns out good, either way it taints her image as a homo collaber.
This is the same excuse Baeniggers use and doesn't fool anyone.

>>49932872
No, unreasonable ones are the ones who if a male so much a breathes air in the same room as their oshi, they throw a bitchfit on /vt/. No amount of money is worth that.

Reasonable unicorns will support your aspirations, as long as you don't have substantive relationships with males.

>>OP
I feel bad for Pam in this situation. Inviting someone to a collab only for them to talk about it like this behind her back.

>>49932952
Bae has substantive relationships with the homos, it is too soon to tell if it is anything like that.

>>49932960
You think a guy will stick his neck out to get this chick a gig without an established substantive relationship? I really wonder who's being unreasonable here.

>>49932960
Clearly Amoria cares though. She put out a statement to try to assuage their doubts because she doesn’t want to lose a main chunk of her audience…She’s just retarded enough to think that she can pander to unicorns and still collab with males. It doesn’t work like that

>>49932966
True that would explain the memberposting to keep it under wraps.
She clearly knows her members are yesmen, but also her atms which V&U seems to have a bit of trouble with financially

>>49932808
There's plenty of autistic antisocial nerdy girls into vtubing that would not get other male content creators into their content, not out of a desire to pander to unicorns but out of genuine discomfort with the opposite sex. This is the kind of girl you actually want to support as a unicorn.
If you smell the normalfag in her, get out, she is a ticking bomb.

>>49933016
>too soon
Found someone that hasn't even watched her fucking debut stream

don’t know or care who this is but stop using the term unicorn when you mean gosling/gachikoi and vice versa

>>49933033
I haven’t been following/watching Amoria a ton since her debut, but if I hypothetically became her top donors/oiler do you think she’d listen if I told her to never collab with a male again?

>>49933024
Connections and networking are important, and sexual harassment is likewise rampant, but someone can make it in the industry without coming across the latter.

>>49933029
If anyone is unreasonable about it, they can express themselves in that manner to her. What she did was smart, she addressed the situation without alienating the ones who are actual fans.

>>49932966
I'm sending it to pam lol. It was really shitty to accept and hide behind members instead of rejecting

Streamers are not your girlfriends.

>>OP
How hard is she actually going for the unicorns? 2 months in and already doing the ONE thing they can't abide because it might help her VA career shows she probably isn't cut out for pandering to them. Also she outright says she is doing this for connections/business so expect her to keep in contact with the dreaded male and/or do this kind of thing again the next time an "opportunity" comes along even if her fanbase doesn't like it because quite simply, the connections/opportunity are worth more to her than you and your feelings.

When will unicorns and by extension vtuber viewers learn, the men that can offer clout/opportunities are ALWAYS going to be worth more than a couple of hundred sad sacks that are willing to pay her if she pretends to be only for them and will probably stick around anyway. Because lets be honest, after watching the EIEN situation there is no humiliation too great to stop some of these men from being paypigs

>reasonable unicorn
Throws a hissy fit when the vtuber is found to be playing Apex with males off stream
>unreasonable unicorn
Whatever the fuck this thread is larping as

>>49933061
there's more than enough overlap to treat them the same
the distinction is only made so strongly here whereas everywhere else it's a given that a guy isn't going to be happy when a girl he's crushing on is hanging out with another guy

>>49933114
No because you're not an actual fan who supports her aspirations and growth as a content creator. You just want an internet girlfriend.

The titcow indie who lurks /here/ had a similar issue earlier today. Unicorns are a force to be reckoned with.

>https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1779277549
Granted, this Milky male collab was way less professional and a literal "date" with another male who kept flirting with her. A voice acting collab is probably the least offensive. Still a male collab though.

>>49932919
>if you’re scared of the backlash and problems that will possibly arise from doing shit like this how about you just don’t do it?
When you're a nobody in the vtubing world, you take any advantage you can get and being a unicorn panderer or coombaiter are probably two of the easiest ways to get some consistent viewership/paypigs. The problem is trying to figure out which ones will stick to it and which ones will dump it the first chance they get for some clout and/or dick.

>Unironic waifufags

Start banning these posters and threads.

>>49933125

>>49933220
>this Milky male collab was way less professional and a literal "date" with another male who kept flirting with her
kek
this is nothing like a VA collab (unless they roleplay a date and cucking the viewers)

>>49933220
>literal "date" with another male
lol what a dumb bitch

>>49933183
What do you think stands or benefit in the long run by collabing with males? She’s in a literal who corpo, and panders to unicorns…she’s seems relatively smart but she’s actively killing her future success doing things like this.

>>49933142
actual cucks larping as unicorns saying it's "reasonable" to be cucked if it's for "profesional" reasons, next they'll say a porn actress getting gang banged while married is also not cucking

>>49933121
I'm not even saying it has to be sexual. If she's going to get recommended and get gigs passed over to her, it's going to be from friends. Proper, close friends. The kind you talk to on a nearly daily basis. It is impossible to keep a "professional" relationship if her ticket to a VA career is through connections and networking; certainly not the kind of professional boundary expected of any unicorn.
You're being unreasonable to the guy if you think this nobody bitch is going to advance in any way on her VA journey by treating male VAs like chopped liver, like they are lesser than her audience. It's unreasonable for her to play this one foot in, one foot out unicorn bullshit game. Pick a damn lane.

https://twitter.com/KaineKnight_
The dude looks like an NTR manga antagonist

>>49933220
>thinking they will ever learn
she is just waiting to become more famous before she'll do it again or off stream

>>49933125
Try and stop me bucko

>>49933220
>skipped randomly to 24:00
>first thing I hear is her moaning to him

>>49933220
She deleted the tweets, looks like NTR is still on the menu

>>49933307
What do you gain to lose from her doing so?
Why do we have to spell it out for fucking e-girlfriend retards on this board?

None of you belong here. You belong back on some bunkerchan or discord and stay there.

>>49933416
Using the word cucked unironically pushes away normalfags

>>49933220
hey whole twitter pay page is just shit that dudes have bought her on throne, STOP GIVING MONEY TO WHORES ON THE INTERNET YOU FUCKING IDIOTS

>>49933220
what an absolute retard, trying to play both sides

>>49933220
>heavy gfe streamer, very posesive and married to chat
>collabs with male
>heavily flirts with him (including part where he pretends to eat her out on stream)
>discord passive aggressively negs her about feeling cucked
>she feels bad about it and apologizes, says she will do a very loving ASMR stream to make up for it and doesn't want anyone to feel hurt
>discord tells her it's OK
>next day doesnt want to do ASMR anymore and plays it off as a joke
>months later make tweet saying no more male collabs because she doesn't want people to feel hurt
>everyone starts insulting incels for causing this
for a /here/ chuuba, milky has handled this shit in the most retarded way possible

>>49932172
There's actually something quite wrong with zoomers on the internet where a lot of them can't interact with women without turning it into some fucked up femdom thing.

>>49933307
Networking is very hit and miss, sometimes it opens up opportunities in the future and sometimes it doesn't. That's why opening yourself up to as many people as possible is important, and not all your contacts are going to be your friends. The one requirement is that you do have to get along with them, so there's that.
Maybe you've never held a job that required nepotism, but that's how it works, you get referrals from people you know. If you don't know them, then they will never refer you or contact you for an opportunity. And if you don't expand your horizons, then as a motivationfucks say, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. This applies in reverse, by the way, with the expectations that if opportunities open up for you that you can get in touch with them for a position you see open.

If you're an introvert, this is an impossible conundrum to understand. You might even call it sociopathic, but that's how you advance your career in an industry ruled by nepotism. You use people and people use you.

>>49933317
> if you think this nobody bitch is going to advance in any way on her VA journey by treating male VAs like chopped liver, like they are lesser than her audience
See above.

I just don't understand what makes this dude so important to risk your growing career? Like I would understand it if the male was like a big shot VA or Director but it's just a random chubba. I get that you need to work with males if you want to expand your career but you don't need to do it in character. Audition on your personal account, do all the business and boring part there. Why stain your chubba character with this?

>>49933016
She always going ollie route, there no point argue about unicorn with her.

>>49933220
I feel like when a vtuber does something like this there's no going back, she doesn't care about your feelings she cares about the possibility of losing numbers

>>49933556
He has a fat cock and she likes to choke on it obviously anon, that’s the only logical explanation

>>49931908
Nah, YouTube has membership gifting so almost everyone is a member.

>>49933125
Thx for the knowledge retard.

>>49933504
LOL. Why are women so retarded to bet everything on streaming. Just do it as a side gig and you can stream however you want so you don't have to worry about paypigs.

>>49933568
Baeniggers keep on trying to push her GFE content.

>>49933428
You don't belong here nijisister go back to kiwifarms nyfco or whatever kuso forum for women you came out of.

>>49933504
>heavily flirts with him (including part where he pretends to eat her out on stream)
This can't be real.

I don't care with who or for what reason a male collab happens. If you do one I won't watch you, simple as.

>>49933504
god woman are so fucking dumb

>>49933648
>le boogeymen
go back waifufag >>>/a/
how many times do you retards have to learn this lesson? twenty? fifty?

>>49933220
oh the collab with that faggot
that was the exact moment I stopped watching her and unfollowed on twitch

>>49933708
Amoria has pandered to unicorns though, this is a completely and issue of her own making

>>49933708
Kson's message was delivered so poorly it made the situation worse

>>49931686
>Fine with your oshi sucking dick as long as it's for "business purposes"

>>49933504
For real if you have an GFE audience you shouldn't announce publically that you are dropping male collabs, just direct it to your fucking gfe fans....in this situation you will just have normies saying that you should drop them and they will totally replace the gachikois that leave because they are ''real fans'', protip they won't because they aren't invested

>>49933504
The difference between someone with experience in the entertainment industry, and someone who larps GFE for the money.

>>49933707
Rope yourself tranny, you'll never stop me from watching MY GIRLFRIEND vtuber and I'll keep on calling out whores like they deserve

>>49933504
Western vtubing is a mistake, just do onlyfan and twitch titties stream for godsake.

>>49933504
If she's listening to discord, there's a strong chance that she thought they were all genuinely into NTR.

>>OP
>amongst us
sus

>>49932639
I think it's ok to get jealous, as another anon said, it's part of our biology, especially if you are even slightly attracted to the other person. As an entertainer, the onus is on her to give fans a reason to not feel jealous and I think she did that very well.

If you choose not to support her despite her feelings, then you weren't really a fan.

>>49933774
i'm praying they'll put your waifu on the screen of your ekg monitor when you die alone of congenital heart disease

>>49931686
They are literally going to fuck on stream and teamates are going to watch and beg for more

>>49933889
That's supposed to be bad?

>>49933556
She gonna do a couch casting, this is her preliminary interview

>>49932338
It’s not just with a male it’s also with Obake PAM Playasia‘s mascot which is a good business connect .

>>49933958
Excellent point. The boss is a very good person to know.

>>49933556
She didn't even wait for her first month of memberships to roll over before doing this.

Literally all of her paying subscribers are now going to cancel, when she could've raked in extra cash just by waiting a few more days. Where oh where has this korean woman's instinct for materialism gone?

>>OP
>Voice acting
>For Nikke
>with a male vtuber and Playasia's vtuber
Does Nikke have male characters? Isn't it a T&A collectathon? Is the guy voicing the self-insert player character?

>>49933988
I think that's far more honorable than getting the cash and then doing it once she had the money. This separates the wheat from the chaff (that you, by the way, you money isn't worth her aspirations).

>>49931406
NijiCN beg to differ.

>>49934071
Ding ding ding

>>49933988
Would you rather be scammed or something

>>OP
Should have been hired to Hololive

>>49934102
>he thinks he is the wheat in this analogy
You are just the wallet whilst your oshi ends up fucking the VA with connections or the sound director, if you are lucky she will do it offstream

>>49933504
letting fat cows feel pretty by using vtuber avatars was a mistake

>>49934071
>Does Nikke have male characters?
I can think of at least three off the top of my head. For a T&A game it has a bunch of ikemen for some reason

>>49934105
What happened over there?

seems like the way to handle it would've been either
1) corporate sell out
don't apologize, show that you're someone who does what a company wants you to rather than someone who's worried about what the fans might think
2) unicorn pandering
continue pandering to GFE unicorns or whatever, don't abandon the image you've built yourself by doing something you know will upset your fans

instead it sounds like she wants to eat her cake and still have it too

You guys have been jerking off to whores since the day you learned what cum was.

>>49934071
Yikes.

>be a vtuber
>job description
>be nice
>don't talk to men
This is somehow nearly impossible for women

>>49934190
As long as she doesn't start collabing on the regular with a bunch of unrelated males, I will keep supporting her. I want to see her grow as a voice actress, and if this is what it takes, then I don't mind.

>>49934302
>fauna post
kek

>>49934071
It has 2 and 1 of them is a tranny

If you pander to unicorns enough that you feel this would disturb a portion of your fanbase and need to address it at all, then why even do it. Stick to one lane and audience.

>>49934302
Listening here, little man, do you want me to be real? I guess it's time for us to have The Talk so you understand our relationship.

>>49934366
easy money

>>49934310
>and if this is what it takes, to groom her and make her mine, then I don't mind.
there fixed it for you

>>49931686
There is no reason to stick around and see if she keeps it professional. Vtubing is full of competition, its best to just drop her and move on to another girl who just simply doesnt do male collabs.

>>49933708
>Today /vt/ has influence
>Tomorrow /vt/ has no influence
>The day after /vt/ has no influence
>The day after that /vt/ has influence
And so on and so on.

Is /vt/ influential or not? Make up your minds already

>>49934399
Grooming is half the appeal of microcorpos.

>>49934310
You know what, based and if you really mean it you are probably closer to the idolfags than what unicorns have come to represent, not very many of you on the western side though and she seems to be pandering to the latter not the former so it's probably going to hurt her anyway.

>>49934424
It is most certainly does have influence on smaller girls and corpos like this. If it didn’t why would she even bother making a statement…

>>49934424
Where else can chuubas go to ego search?

>>49934424
/vt/ is disproportionately influential for it's size due to it's association with le 4chan boogeyman

>>49934479
No one gets the idol spirit here. I still get people disagreeing with me when I say Hololive is an idol group.

>>49934487
Thank god Hiro didn't add a /incel/ - internet celebrity board.

>>49934588
I think people get it, but it has become so bundled up with lonely men using it to cope that they would actually rather sabotage their oshi or have her sabotage herself to keep the
>only for you
illusion completely unblemished

>>OP
are those pro voice actors? she is gonna get groomed, as you can see with phase and similar dramas VAs are fucking degenerates

>>49934424
Anybody who thinks /vt/ doesn't have any influence is a delusional retard. Just ONE dedicated retard is enough to influence things, and this board has HUNDREDS of retards.

>>49934479
She's in a korean corpo so it's not really western per se, but yeah, you're most correct.

>>OP
Lol “amorons“

>>49933220
grim

>>OP
I mean... There's so many vtubers now that if you are not a really big one you have to do what your audience wants so they don't leave to go watch another one instead.
Only a few vtubers can tell their audience to fuck off and still have them to continue supporting

Unicorns, come home, nowhere else is safe in the west.

https://twitter.com/kawaiiOfficial5/status/1656374484029575168
https://twitter.com/kawaiiOfficial5/status/1656374484029575168
https://twitter.com/kawaiiOfficial5/status/1656374484029575168

>>49935005
>black company
kek
no thanks

>>49935005
>kawaii
I rather just drop vtubing all together

>>49932639
These are the same people who got frothing at the mouth mad when Cover put out that statement last week saying "hey harassment is pretty bad and you shouldn't do it".

>>OP
IM NOT READING ALL OF THAT SHIT

>>49935005
Kawaii allows group male collabs, it's the 1on1 that are banned.

>>49935031
Thr more oppressive the environment the more tolerable the women are

>>49935005
Discord groomer company

>>49935101
Discord is banned there, and they shit on discordfags, they know how to do it.

>>49934676
I fucking wish he did. There is obviously a fuckton of people who are here purely for LSF style drama, but the drama in the vtuber space is so tame compared to other streamers that they try to blow every minor thing up. If he made a board dedicated to non-vtuber ecelebs they would all migrate there and maybe this board will be usable outside it's generals for once.

>>OP
> if you don't like this, please don't watch this stream and watch later this week and ignore it when i do shit you don't like.
k

>>49935005
>Bait thread 100% made byone of this roasties
No thx.

>>49935088
... You have a point.

>>49933504
to think I used to watch her, fucking disgusting

>>49935101
male collabs can happen in Kawaii, but discord is literally banned they shat on discord culture live on stream

If you decided to work with male talent/celeb, keep it as professional as possible. Don’t interact with him outside work. Don’t bring up his name unless absolutely necessary. Even better if you tweet before & after the recording session to let the fans know you head straight to work then head back home.

Do not act apologize for this matter. When you apologize the fans become the bad guys. Bae did the most retarded thing by asking "I want to collab with males but is that okay with you guys? You either don’t do it or don’t apologize.
Also, Bae is flirting with males and you are doing a serious voice recording session. Don’t apologize.
>>49932579
>addressing the elephant in the room.
NEVER address the elephant in the room unless you truly understand the fans’ perspective and can justify GFE with a sincere reasoning. Very few can do that so NEVER address the elephant because you will definitely paint GFE in bad light and that’s a powerful wake up call to fans.

It’s more or less contradicting to pursue unicorns while working with male celeb (unless both are professional and pure business). Reminder GFE is not evil or bad unless you scam people by lying.

>>49935201
They never do it, only one talent made some group collabs but the others have 0 intention of ever doing that.

>>49931605
>homobegging 41%er calling others troons

>>49935135
>>49935201
>Pls believe my whore
kek

>>49934406
>and move on to another girl who just simply doesnt do male collabs.
Until she inevitably does it too at the very first opportunity to gain clout for it.

>>49935135
>>49935201
My apologies, which girl is the most retarded and cute

>>49935285
Well, who else would you believe? can't trust nobody else, literally.

>>49935249
male collabs are not 100% banned, simple as

>>OP
Apsiring to be a VA is the equivalent to normalfag women aspiring to make it big in Hollywood.

>>49933504
>>heavily flirts with him (including part where he pretends to eat her out on stream)
if this is true then she's retarded
I don't think male collab = whore but flirting with a guy while saying you're married to chat on solo streams is retarded

>>49935005
>Nene "I will abort your child" Amano
No thanks.

>>49935299
Shee certified retard and cut
https://twitter.com/SheeIcho_kawaii/status/1660512219585708032

>>49935218
>the fans’ perspective
Western vtuber fans don't understand the idols business. That's why she has to spell it out like they're 12 so that they can understand male organized (not impromptu) collabs aren't necessarily for cucking you and are often part of the business.

In this case, it seems to be 100% professional and purely for business.

>>49935286
Then repeat, the competition is vertually infinite. And besides, just because it will end one day doesnt mean you shouldnt take the time to enjoy it now.

>>49935364
qrd?

>>49935419
She is pro abortion, who cares.

>>49935419
she hates kids

>>49935366
Shee's tiktok reaction streams are peak GFE. Its perfect, its just watching videos you dont care about on a platform you arent familiar with because she likes it and wants to share it with you. It really is perfect

>>49935460
Oh ok.

Why is it so hard for time to just not collab with males?

>>49935419
You'd have to be a member to get the full context because it happened in a HuniePop member's only stream.
Full disclosure, I did not watch it myself because I wasn't a member, just a lurker, but apparently she made a comment along the lines of "I would get an abortion if I was in that situation too" or sth like that referring to one of the girl's in the game.

>>49933504
mommy NTR is a niche that was proven very popular in the west by artists like TerasuMC.

She is 100% going for that market.

>>49932252
>>49935052
>>49933708
>>49933428
>>49933707
So true, sisters! It’s only fine when we do it for the sake of Milord though!

The real problem here is that vtubers are women irl and women are fucking retarded

>>49932252
Eeyup, this.

Seriously, when did this mindset became the norm? HoloJP3 debut? Release of Love Life and/or K-On? There's so many conflicting half-true stories?

>>49935634
Yes sister, you’re so correct! These unicorn incels need to gtfo from our hobby! It’s only us fujos and yumejos who deserve our beloved boys to love us and ONLY us.

>>49935730
unironically

>>49932960
Only good unicorns are the actual ones. Not any one of those.

>>49935586
>same iphonefag every time
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/search/image/UDPUa2PuGk9_bFuy0ok1qA/
mentally shattered inside his cuckshed

>>49935789
Keep schlicking your axe wound inside your moms basement, faggot.

>>49935833
absolutely SEETHING at being called out kek

>>49935860
YWNBAW and stop replying to me faggot

>>49935730
Are the fujos/yumes even upset at the upcoming movie watchlong with the clown homo, I haven't seen any sperging from them so either women just feel differently about exclusivity and see it as their male being more desirable and therefore good or they keep it all contained to /cbdct/ or /MANS/ (and I never go there)

>>OP
Please ignore me shitting on my current fans while I work on my next job! Don't forget to like, subscribe, join, and SC!!!
EDIT: Thanks for all your support!!!

>>49931686
>business only
So basically any real relationship a female gets into with a guy because we all know that shits transactional in real life

>>49933220
She deleted those tweets. stay cucked.

>>49935955
I feel sorry for you anon

>49935586
>>49935789
Why are iToddlers like this?

>>49936041
Why are android users always broke faggots who enjoy jerking to blacked cuck porn?

>>OP
Fair play to her for trying to get actual constructive criticism from members, and not just her general subscribers, or worse, twitter followers, but I'm still sceptical about whether anyone would come forward with anything but ass licking on youtube.

>>49931686
>>OP
>its just a business relation!
yeah we all know how these business relationships go, it means a whole lot of fucking sex if micomet is anything to go by

>>49936095
>projecting
that's a lot of black dicks in your mind anon

Your words, not mine.

>>49935730
Time for the sisterposting I see.

I accept your concession.

>>OP
I dont really give a shit, but if you build your whole brand on GFE you did it to yourself.

>>49936128
I’m not the one who constantly thinks about cocks and anime men, homobeggar.

>>49936028
Why? Relationships are transactional.

>>OP
Pretty fiendish of Nikke to only sponsor male collabs.

>>49936234
Yassss sister you owned my ass time to go flick my bean to tentacle rape asmr to make me feel better

>>49933504
>>49933220
Jesus, I'll have to let my gf know, she watches her react shit every once and a while and this kind of behavior is big avoid

Personally, I always thought milky was some kind of hag love charity case, didn't expect her to be like one of these young girls that implodes their audience

>>49931686
She's going to get fucked by them business casually

>>49936269
>>49936095
uh huh. you sure like talking about them

daily reminder that kanata's oshi got married by doing "business only"

>>49936117
I always find it funny how they HAVE to explicitly say this. Like they never seem to have to clarify this when they collab with girls but for some "reason" they have to when it involves guys.

Like how HoloEN had no problem with ships for 2 years until Tempus debuted then suddenly and coincidentally every girl made comments about how shipping had to be moderated and that nobody in the corpo were couples lol. Felt very on the nose.

>>49936430
Kronii trotting out the
>Do you really think I would date my work colleagues? Who does that?!
line like it was an impossibility that has never happened in human history and you were a schizo to even consider was pretty funny.

>>49936430
it's heterosexual practitioners of business yuri being thrown into a situation where any male/female shipping would be taken seriously, disturbing either their own partners or their fans.
the reason they had to clarify is because they were never serious about any of the shipping beforehand

>>49936114
I would hope she would read this thread for real feedback because it shows some good discussion along with absolutely retarded takes that she should know to discard.

Or maybe she already does and none of this thread has any use.

>>OP
>>49931686
lmao sweet words and pretending to be mature doesn't change anything she's sucking dicks for VA opportunities (like most have to) she's just another whore and so into the trash she goes.

>>49936114
>>49936593
What criticism can she get from this that she would act on? She's not going to stop a sponsored collab, obviously, and she'll do another one in the future if the opportunity arises. I'm not saying anything on the collab itself, but this is 100% just a way to corral any negativity to a members post so less people will see it.

>>49936540
While previously joking about Concil being her wives, Kronmei, etc.

But mentioning Vesperonii is harassment to both of them tho! Don't do it!

>>49936640
I think the most valuable feedback is >>49932447

Don't make your fans seem like bad people just because they feel completely normal human emotions, don't invalidate their feelings, and most importantly, be open to feedback.

>>49935141
not really, you'll have people egging each other harrass the streamer in someway, especially with dox shit.
Which will ultimately lead to this site getting v& and hiro underfire. Why would mods want to moderate that shit 24/7.

>>49936640
>She's not going to stop a sponsored collab
She could. She could think long term about how this could affect her growth, if she had any other opportunities that are not at the expense of her audience.

>>OP
She still shouldn't have done it.
I suppose it's marginally better than the "I'm a stronk independent wahman and can do what I damn please, you incel" schtick most of Western chuubas seem to do, but it's not a high bar. She knows that people will not actually "voice their concerns" in public, because it is considered extremely cringe and unacceptable. It's pure manipulation.

Listen, /asp/, if you want to pander to unicorns or do GFE, you don't interact with males in places where people can see you. You just fucking don't. Half of your job descriptipon is literally giving your fans as pure an image as possible, so they can project their feelings upon it. They give you money for that. Do the VA auditions or whatever on your own time.
How so many GFE vtubers can't get this simple truth through their thick skulls for so long is beyond me.

>>49936815
There are tons of drama sites alive and well, you're way overreacting lmao. /clg/ has been doing fine for years and they're the cattiest board besides this one. And the most obvious example being r/lsf and their website. If reddit can handle an eceleb sub why couldn't 4chan? We already host /pol/.

>knows her fans won't like it
>does it anyway
woman moment

>>49936839
I assure you, the extremism displayed on this site is not common enough anywhere else to consider that.

>>49936960
Self-respect is a woman trait?

>>49936986
Yassss go off sis #mybodymychoice

>>49933629
Kys wagecuck

>>49935907
Didn't you see numerous bae and yabba dabba doo man threads this past couple of days? Their threads are probably full of doxxposting too.
Its always the same M.O., blame others for their faggots YABs and damage control with numberposting, spamming unrelated/bumping unrelated rrats like in this thread and doxxfaggotry.

>>OP
>VA
The eternal sex pest strikes again.

>>49937098
wagecucks are the one supporting your vtuber though lmao

>>49933220
>oh shit my viewers are actually leaving
>nooo stop please I'm sorry
Everytime, it's never about the fans feeling but le numbers, sad.

>>49936412
qrd?
archive reps just name unrelated shit like coco which I thinks its not true in 2023

>>49936966
I only watch Holo but in here every girl that leaned into homo collabs had a drastic drop in viewership. Bigger than the normal drop across the genre.

>>49936430
Hetshippers always make things fucking weird.

Not saying yurishippers don't act schizo from time to time, but the vast majority of them "get it" and recognize most of them behind the scenes are just friends; heck most a good chunk of yuri artists don't even bother tagging their more yuricentric pieces because they know it might make the talents uncomfortable. And most fans at large know they're all just friends or buy into the kayfabe.

Meanwhile a hetshipper will make some comment about "you and (this person) would make a cute couple" which is effectively lobbing a grenade into any chat or comment section because it's always less about sharing an honest opinion and more about watching the resulting fallout.

>>49937108
Sounds just like kiwinigs aka Phasefags

>>49936986
Here's the thing with vtubing, you can either have self respect and do what you want, with no regard for the core audience who actually shell out the most money, or you can do what's financially smart. I genuinely respect either one, but don't try to juggle both, because it doesn't work and you just piss off everyone.

>>49937288
It wasn't the male collabs. It was disrespecting their audience over them voicing dissatisfaction. That pisses people off no matter where on the gachikoi spectrum they land.

>unicorns' faces when indies who are allowed to do whatever they want do whatever they want.

>>49936956
>”why 4chink bans muh doxx posts”
kys

>>49937434
>also pic
>chuubas faces when fans leave due to male collabs

>>49936950
>Do the VA auditions on your own time
Seems the problem is many of them are not doing this at all and think they can take a shortcut by cosying up to failed/small time VA males on stream instead the second one shows interest in them. I am not familiar enough with the VA industry to say whether this is just something you HAVE to do to get anywhere or not but at the very least they could be smart about it and do their """networking""" in hotel rooms at cons instead.

>>49936430
Ollie also said early on that she's not going to flirt with males because the viewers are going to take it seriously.

>>49937515
Noone leaves due to male collabs, unless it's a gfe chuuba

>>49937561
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>49937547
She just does little sister big bro roleplay instead

>>49936540
>>Do you really think I would date my work colleagues? Who does that?!
Meanwhile NijiJP...

>>49932022
>>49932113
It's so nice to know they're not all like this. Sometimes I forget the sheep is Korean.

>>OP
wish kronii, ame and calli learned this before, but nooo, they go: "fuck you i will do what i want."

>>49936839
I don't think it would do her any good if she decided to stop it at this point. She's already expressed a desire in doing it, so most people who would be pissed about the collab have already left.
Think about it this way: If your GF came to you and said "Hey babe, I'd like to suck this guy's cock.", but you convinced her not to, would you feel any better about the situation just because she didn't actually go through with it?

>>49933428
>What do you gain to lose from her doing so?
Your audience

>>49937561
They leave even when they are straight up porn whores, even amouranth complained about losing pigs after revealing her husband.

>>49937650
wait the sheep is korean. That explains the horrid 1st wife role she has with oppa Juna
https://youtu.be/YGy-QIglVAg

>>49937561
The one in the OP is a GFE chuuba
She is literally a magical girl/idol that gets her powers from love (from her fans)

>>49937561
bro, the "unicorn mindset" is not just for GFE vtubers.
It happens even for fucking instagram models. When they post their boyfriend they always lose followers and get death threats in DMs.

If it's a female, the illusion of her "being available" will always factor in her success on social media to some degree.

>>49937588
What's so funny, schizo?

>>49937208
you don't gain enough for yourself let alone to support a chuuba, wagecuck.

>>49937887
How btfo that anon was about to be.

>>OP
TLDR: >Braindamaged schizo posts about complete ¿who?, Hates woman(men)
more at 20

>>49936593
>real feedback
There's nothing of value in this thread.

>>49937928
>getting """"btfo'd"""" by the /vt/ echo chamber
What an honor

>>49937931
>¿who?
Retarded Latinx detected

>>49937588
>>49937787
>>49937848 Okay that's retarded and she deserves it
>>49937879
That's not because of male collabs.
Even male streamers lose fans if they reveal their wife. Noone wants to see that.
Have you ever seen a couple kiss irl and were not disgusted?
Yes, noone gives a fuck if a woman talks to a male cashier but everyone finds it trashy if she flirted with him.

>>49938063
Truly schizo...

>>49938071
i like how you completely ignored this post >>49933220

>>49937848
You've never watched Amoria and it shows.

>>49937931
You forgot the part about mouthbreathing australopithecines rehashing tired nijiholo shit.

>>49936966
Clearly she felt the need to put out a statement about it though…that means she is afraid of losing fans because of her choice to collab with a male.

>>49938137
Sorry for not reading the whole thread.
The chuuba in question deserves it but I wanted to talk about it generally.
It's not about male collabs. If you flirt with someone of the opposite sex on stream, it will be seen as serious and it will annoy a lot of people. That counts to male streamers as well. It's not a unicorn thing but a human thing.

>>49938071
This sums it up nicely.

>>49938071
With instagram is not even just boyfriends, it's males in general. Because people always assume the guy is somewhat involved with the girl.

Anything that challenges the concept of being available damages the image of a girl on social media, if her audience is horny/lonely men that is.

>>49938287
That's true as well, which is why I think if your content is gfe, you should not do any male collabs what'soever.
You chose this. You can't play both sides.

Korean women will do anything for even a drop of clout…I give it a month max before she’s collabing with more males to “further her professional career”

>>49938406
>korean
I am gonna pick her up just to drop her

>>49935460
From trees, she shall hang, then.

>>49937820
That eel is gonna smash every korean girl chuuba out here.

>>49938406
All women in this type of industry are like this. Sucking cock to get your foot in the door is still the norm

>>OP
>among us
SHE SAID IT SHE SAID THE THING

>>49938794
and male koreans
>>49930982

>>49938331
Women want it all and society lies to them and says they can have their cake and eat it too.

>>OP
It sounds like she's being honest and forthcoming. That's the best thing she could do besides not doing it at all.

>>49937561
Anon Pokimane lost like 400k total subs from each of her back to back BF yabs that happened to her. It took massive blows to her sub numbers each time one happened.

>>49935135
>Discord is banned there.
One of their Gen 3 yabs was caused by giving special treatment to their Discord groomers, though.

How is Amoria really this confident early on? She is likely doing irreversible damage to her current and future fanbase with decisions like this. If I were her I wouldn’t wanna take such a gamble, especially after humoring the unicorns early on

>>49938906
I hate to break it to you, many of them are going to get their cake and eat it with whipped cream and sprinkles.

>>49935907
Just look at this faggots muddy the waters
>>49936430
>>49937296
>hetshippers
>>49921466
>>49922525
>>49934111
>>49934543
>>49934647
>>49935180
>>49935834
>>49935950
>>49935963
>>49936116
>>49936393
>>49936420
>>49936692
>>49936970
>>49937230
>>49938399
Yeah, only them btw.

>>49939081
I have no idea what you are talking about, but I can only asume that if it was just her brother and there was no sexual energy there, nothing would've happened.
It is precisely because it's her BF that she lost subs.

>>49931976
No, that was completely different. Lia is both a retarded and mentally ill zoomer instead of a relatively more intelligent zoomer.

>>49939082
was it really? I haven’t done my black company reps in a while

>>49932146
Nice bait. CEO of Play Asia Pam is there too, and she's also out of the company and a lady.

>>49939082
It's funny that this was one of the reasons why she was terminated

>>49938256
It's so ideas don't bounce around people's heads and mutate into "She's doing this to spite us"

>>49939082
and that was one of the reasons she got fired, not even her worse offense.

>>49939162
The point being that even massive twitch whore streamers who aren't GFE lose shit tons of followers the nano-second a boyfriend yab of any kind happens. It's no secret the reason some of Council was so stunted in growth.

>>49939317
Problem is, making a statement like this will completely backfire if collabing with males becomes more frequent (which it undoubtedly will)

>>49939109
And then once it's eaten they'll no longer have their cake.

>>49939317
The idea that her post put in my head was that she wants to be a VA and not a Vtuber. I guess that's better?

>>49939317
The idea that her post put into my head was that she’s using vtubing as a stepping stone to become a VA, doesn’t care about her fans, and will suck and fuck numerous cocks for an iota of clout and attention.

>>49939552
Jinx bitch, you owe me a coke.

>>49939096
At least she is upfront about it. Filtering unicorns right out of the gate is a bold strategy because the parasocial, no males allowed trait is a buff. GFE even more.

That's why you usually see vtubers "owning the incels" only once they secure a big enough audience. If they do early on, they risk not ever getting to big numbers because... well... without the "girlfriend simulator" they are left relying on their own actual talents. Not just being born female.

>>49935902
Anon stop talking to the mirror and try having a real discussion with the other anons instead of crying all the time.

>>49939466
>>49939552
why is this so common? VAs get treated like dirt, isnt stable employment and aren't paid well.

>>49939376
Even literally married men lose followers if they flirt with their wife on stream.
Noone wants to see it, unless it's literally a 70+ couple.

>>49939466
>>49939552
You're reading it with a bias due to clicking on a bait thread on /vt/

>>49939162
Anon people fabricated a yab out of thin air that Ollie got fingerblasted on stream by her bf because she moaned a couple times during a stream. Ignoring all the evidence that pointed out how retarded this rrat was, it still spread like wildfire anyways. Yubigate was one of the deadest on arrival rrats in recent years and it still caused her issues and started popping up in her clip comments and streams. Now add any male at all to the equation and imagine what'll happen? Doxxbeats still post doxx images of Kiara and her with family and claim its her being a whore.

>>49932447
Too many words. Just say you still have your v-card and move on.
>>49933220
>Unicorns are a force to be reckoned with
If you're a 2-view and that's all your audience is then maybe, but other than that you're a drop in the ocean. :)

>>49939454
At least they got cake.

>>49937296
don't downplay the absolute retardation that comes out of the yuri fandom

>>49939821
Yubigate was hilarious though

>>49939868
yuriniggers are just as bad

>>49939857
>words
>take v-card
....is this like sister logic or? nta

>>49939915
No, no it fucking wasn't. The only ones who think so are either containment breakers or come from iFunny (and are therefore most likely underage).

>>49939759
How? She knows it's not an opportunity for her channel and swears it's not going to bleed into her regular channel content, but calls it a 'rare professional opportunity.' So I can only really assume her collabing with a VA means an opportunity for VA work.

>>49933220
>Unicorns are a force to be reckoned with.
Funny thing about them is that one or two will go full schizo but most of them stick around for a little bit more and start leaving without saying anything.
Idk if they do it on purpose but it probably hurts the chuuba way more when they think that what they did wasn't a big deal and that nothing will happen, just to see their numbers slowly going down after some weeks

>>49934302
Dumb Faunaposter

>>49940042
I started it as a passing shitpost and the funniest thing was that it actually took off.

>>49934310
Same. I literally don't give a shit because it's a group collab.

I don't think she'll suddenly start doing male zatsu and male game streams with random guys.

Never given me a reason to think that, so I won't.

>>OP
Reminder a chuuba gets your unmember notification. Actions speak louder than words so dont be a cuck and make your voice heard!

>>49934704
People always say, sabotaging your oshi is wrong, let her grow you unicorn/gachikoi/virgin/incel, but why is it okay to let the oshi use her audience as a stepping stone? Especially gfe one. Boo-hoo I'm okay with being miserable as long as she is happy. I don't understand that mentality, might as well settle for chuba with boyfriend.

>>49939915
>>49940487
>Haha so funny yab haha
>It only got so big it actively damaged her channel, made her lose a ton of subs, and caused her chat and clips of her to talk about it for months after
Yeah just the funniest shit man. I love obviously fake yabs being created out of thin air that get so big it actively harms the vtuber when they did nothing wrong at all.

>>49940765
Kiara is still the lowest of Myth when it comes to subcount thanks to schizos

>>49939707
Max has his wife and kid on his stream all the time and he doesn't lose any followers for it at all. In fact his wife has been a staple of his stream for like a decade and a half. So I'm not sure about that one.

>>49940796
She would be sub ID levels if she male collabed.

>>49940765
>Ollie
>did nothing wrong
Hello r*ddit

>>49940968
It’s a good thing she’s smart enough to realize that…Kiara gets a lot of hate but she is more of an idol in holoEN than anyone else and it’s not close

>>49940888
Watch Tyler1 or Trick2g never flirt with their gf/wife.
They know exactly what they are doing.
It's not about being single or not or showing you are taken. It's always about the sexual "energy" behind it. You don't wanna gross out your viewers.

Collab in 20 minutes, who’s gonna tune in and watch Amoria get fucked live on stream?
https://www.youtube.com/live/7auwo_EX_eA?feature=share

>>49940994
>Make moaning noises like a ton of other Holo members have during a group stream
>Some schizo decides he wants to make his cuck fantasy real and makes up a rrat on the spot that shes getting fingered by her bf mid stream
>Said obviously fake rrat actively harmed her channel for something she obviously didn't do
She objectively did nothing wrong to cause said yab to occur. It was literally not her fault at all outside making lewd noises, which countless holo members have done in the past and even to this day.

>>49941077
I am 100% certain Max has flirted with with his wife on stream before in the decade plus he's streamed and even kissed her. Yet he's still the biggest FGC content creator on the planet.

>>49941243
The moaning went way further than other holo girls though, it was kinda ridiculous

>10th page
>this cancer thread just won't die
>mfw

>>49941101
willl surely tune in. Definitely wanna see if the chuuba wrote the statement by herself or someone wrote it for her.

>>49941243
that didn't even hurt her channel that much, her spamming homos is what killed it

>>49940455
I'm like that honestly, if I see a yab, I'm like ok, if it isn't that much of a big deal, I will give her a chance, sit for few streams and think if it bothers me too much, I'll just stop coming to the stream

>>49941077
If you openly show you're in a relationship, it doesn't matter at that point. Hug and kiss them on stream all you like since you've already filtered out those unicorn types.

>>49941243
She literally did 100x more damage to her growth spamming collabs with shitty western streamers and other males…

>>49941390
How do you feel knowing that stinker got to be a normalfag with TWO girlfriends?

>>49941323
>The moaning went way further than other holo girls though
Not even remotely. Mumei just recently got clipped for moaning a fuck ton in the Uno collab https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux6SAZ7Syto and yet no rrats of her being "fucked by her bf" spawned out of thin air and took over the board.