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>>41029284
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MOCK ANCHOR FOR MOCK VOTE:

Vote for how Nijimale is to be handled going forward:

1. 2434 takes all the land, but any NijiJP split is entitled to all of Nijimales in the future.

2. The space of nijimales will become freed up

3. /2434/ takes no more than 1/5th of nijimales, to represent the posters that moved to the main thread. The rest is to be labeled unclaimed territory and provinced accordingly for any future niji splits to claim.

DAMMIT BOBBY I TOLD YOU TO STOP FUCKING THE DAMN SQUIRRELS

>>41083757
/nasa/ vote, https://rentry.org/NorthernMossback

3.

>>41083757
Option 4. Would rather treat the threads as one in the same in world while respecting their differences in the lore regionally. Unify the Empire but keep the tradition and heritage!

>>41084686
And furthermore, I think this is the best option lore wise considering the thread often goes inactive, thus by doing this, we respect my thread. Let new EN splits go into neutral if need be, and respect the effort put into our lore

>>41082647
I agree, but I mean... The rep should still be a writer for the thread, right? You wouldn't really have a random stranger cast the vote, that seems a bit weird kek. But yes, from an organizational POV, the rep is just for voting, and the writer is just for writing, and the mediator is just for mediating. It's just that you can be in multiple categories at once.

>>41085333
No thats exactly what i don't want anymore, votes beign tied to nations is what i feel is creating a big issue. people feel that others falseflag or bring in people to become voters to establish "voting blocks" and this leads to new anons cosntantly being on the judgestand to see if they are or not.

a mediator should be the one person that is the most qualified to judge lore for a thread. second tier writers should be people that can write more indepth lore for a thread even if maybe they are not more than a semi regular of a thread and writer itself should jsut people that write soemthing for a thread ona more surface level because they also jsut knnow as much about a thread.

peopel eligible to vote should not be jsut because of nation. why would OG be more qualified to vote than warsuner? why should lunaito not be allowed to vote jsut because he is no mediator for a nationn and only second tier writer for a handful of threads.

even just the idea before of voting groups per region i think would be better, even if it creates issues itself, and have some more "freeform" writer decide on what they consider their main region and be a permanent member of that voting group. that way we wouldn't encourage falseflagging as much because you are jsut oen person discussing among others for a mutual vote liek how nationw ith several writers already do and it also reduces the worry of some that friendns will jsut vote for the benefit of friends when those friends are already close to each other and would then cast one vote together

>>41083757
/morig/
Abstain
I don't believe threads that are currently inactive need to be changed to reflect that with any particular hurry. A thread that pops up every month, but has a purpose and a fanbase is a valid thread in my book.
https://rentry.org/morig-vote-ballots (peep the edit date)
Also, to make my stance clear, a thread that is truly dead and inactive should see its territories relinquished to the province system. This doesn't mean the land is empty or that all of its population vanished or migrated, or that its government disappeared. It simply represents the thread losing some arbitrary measure of centralization, leaving an opening for an ulterior nation to write how they ended up ruling this territory. In this case, if it was indeed not an active thread anymore, the /nijimale/ nation could be left as-is in universe until such time that a new nation selects provinces from this territory.
>>41086431
Hmm, I mean I get where you come from with all that, but the issue is that this is an anonymous project. Who do voters vote "as" if they do not represent a nation? Can anyone who grabs a tripcode be a voter? Tying it to threads at least limits the total number of voters to the number nations that are active.
If we use the region thing, isn't that the same as basing it on threads, but with slightly larger (and probably less representative) groups of people?

>>41087339
i guess each region would need to decide on one person ultiamtely that presents the vote but with this i feel every writer that is from the region or considers their mainstay in that region should have a part of the discussion fo what that region should vote, these discussions should be public in this thread so people can confirm from outside that its not mispresenting the consens of region or leaving someone out

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>>41047775
>fandead companies in nasfaqg
Yes? Do elaborate.
And yeah, I think there would have been a league of companies and sub-states that declared themselves as accepting fandead refugees. You can probably assume a good 30% of the sub-states being friendly and enthusiastic to help, 30% being open and accepting, 20% not caring much other than how this whole thing would affect trade, 15% being apprehensive or slightly hostile, and 5% being strongly against fandead migration and possibly hostile to them. The Republic Proper government would probably be sympathetic and accepting, but wouldn't go out of their way to do much of anything about it. They prefer to keep to themselves.

As for how the wealth of the nation is interested, the largest megacorp in the nation that controls a ~20% of the entire economy of the nation is strongly pro-fandead due to one of the 11 corporations that make up the conglomerate being a fandead led one.

As for the fandeads/ruminanites in nasfaqg, i think them forming their own neighbourhoods within already established cities would work well (Like "Chinatowns" or "Little Italys" but instead, its Fandead/Ruminanites). This way the unique culture of the refugee-fandeads could be explored in an interesting way. Also it would mesh well with your idea about the modern ruminanites being generally hostile towards most holo nations; In nasfaqg, which is majorly holo focused but also a generally peaceful place, they would not be openly hostile toward the worshippers of other deities, but they would still prefer to live in neighbourhoods where Ruminanites / Orthodox fandead are the majority, and thus also get do be the dominant ones politically, culturally and economically.

>>41060788 said things pretty well. I havent yet done the ethnic and religious breakdown of the nasfaqg population but I think the fandead are a notable minority (1% to 3%, so by 1100 roughly 1 to 3 million in total). While they may not be many compared to the sheer weight of the entire nation's population, they are culturally fairly significant.
I think I'd like to get a significant amount of the refugees. Taking into account that there were some before the graduation in the nation already, and that they have had ~200 years to breed at an unknown rate, I dont know what would be a reasonable amount.

As for any modern day ruminanite missionaries, I think they would find these little rushiatowns rather welcoming, although if there are any orthodox fandead (as in, "only rushia") then I fear there could be some disagreements.

As for ulterior motives, if you want them, I do think that the loose league of companies would like to negotiate something along the lines of >>41048189 for themselves too (on a meta level, for the thread as a whole, because I have yet to actually come up with a suitable number of corporations), although they may be less interested in gold in the now and more interested in the long term security of trade networks.
There is also the fact that a ton of refugees would mean a lot of people looking for work, and a lot of people looking for work means lowe- more affordable wages.

>>41080116
I read it, it sounds very reasonable.

The interactive map has been updated to reflect the new vote. As a reminder, the names of each nation were added recently, so let me know if yours is listed incorrectly or if there are any other discrepancies that need fixing.

>>41083757
https://rentry.org/yybyx
I'll also choose abstain following the deadbeat rationale
>I don't believe threads that are currently inactive need to be changed to reflect that with any particular hurry. A thread that pops up every month, but has a purpose and a fanbase is a valid thread in my book.
Though I already know this is a mock vote and its results are more of a kind of test ride than anything, I think it'd be fine to allow /nijimales/ and /2324/ to deal with their thread's in the way that they see fit, if that means an option like 1, 2, or 3 than that's fine but I don't really have much right to say where it should go since I'm not knowledgeable on the threads and don't write for any of them.

Bump

Pisscord fags hiding the result because its not favorable to them. They are having an in vote now for divegrass. Pathetic.

>>41099466
The results are visible to all, no hiding.

>>41099466
to clarify, the issue is that the vote clearly got tampered with and we are atm collecting samples to compare and see jsut how much it differs from the results that are public to see to anyone.

if anyone wants to help, send a DM on cord towards atlasanon since that right now is the only way to really count verified votes for the poll for comparision, sorry for the inconvienence.

going forward we probably will have to change our voting approach as much as we wanted to uphold anonymity for these votes.

If it were me, Ive already voiced my concerns regarding the rep system: >>/vt/thread/S37477343#p37577700
A bloc of like-minded affiliations will overpower threads with only 1 writer. Say nasfaqg wants to add a charter colony next to nijijp. The whole niji sphere (Pomu, Rose, Nijimale, 2434) can overwhelm that vote. In this scenario the niji sphere should be consolidated as 1 collective vote. an average opinion. the rep system is for representing opinions so if everyone in a single sphere share a single opinion, that counts as 1 vote

>>41103200
How do we determine the boundaries of the spheres? If it's based on the opinions, wouldn't there simply be one vote for Yay and one vote for Nay for binary choices?

>>41104476
>How do we determine the boundaries of the spheres?
Up to the writers that make up the thread if they wish. generally I just want a solution so that writers that just want to be left alone not get their opinions overwhelmed by a likeminded majority for the sake of convenience. the rep system has become a numbers game, not a weight factor of opinion

bump

>>41104894
I can see where the idea comes from, but I feel like in practice, threads would request to be alone in their sphere to maximize the power of their vote. If it's left up to the individual threads, there is no incentive to be in a "sphere" with other threads. It just dilutes the thread's vote.
Did you see the voting reform proposal? Do you think that could and/or help address those issues? https://rentry.org/voting-reform
Also because missed the trip, hello founder!

butt

Newsuner, are you there bro? We are going to work on magic with OG who apparently did his reps on chuubanite. (you mainly, i'll get his ass in gear though.)
>>41101573
what method do you think we will do? I didn't even know that the strawpolls could be manipulated?

>>41111959
It turns out that the straw poll only limits you to one vote per ip, so pretty easy to circumvent honestly. We might have to switch to something like >jewgle for divegrass voting from now on unless anyone can offer up any better alternatives?

>>41112254
We use the same voting system as normal thread votes. You can only vote if you posted lore before.

>>41107067
Speaking on spheres, i am of the firm opinion that local reps can decide borders between themselves, so long as it isnt a clearly bs thing like /who/-/uuu/. For example, it is not the business of anyone outside Indeia (sans 2434 in this particular instance because of lore) what the border changes over a lore war is. I think it is better to have trust in the regional authorities to handle their own affairs with grace. I would also consider for placement similar ideas be had where the word of regional reps would be taken more seriously in discussions that those outside of it since they might have plans, like Warkop did, that all of them agreed on yet there was friction over the land for Warkop from those who were outside the region for various reasons. By showing good faith to regional reps, we reduce “us vs. them”isms since regional reps tend to work closely with their neighbors and outside forces telling them no unless it is objectively bad (as the aforementioned who-uuu situation that always is brought up in discussing land changes.) because that can lead to mistrust…

>>41112360
Rep voting might be a wise choice but I also think we should have it open to all writers and even those who are just lurkers in some way. While writers would be easy to verify, the lurkers are harder and they are part of this thread.

>>41112522
Hey man, that wasn't BS. I had to reject their offer of complete annexation in favor of just taking land since I didn't want to annex them.
I still need to bring up the idea with the newer /uuu/ reps anyways, I do want that coast.

>>41112808
I mean, there is nothing wrong with asking newer reps for less land that what you guys basically did kek.

>>41083338
https://rentry.org/Minerals-Ores-VTWBG
Just place this under climate and weather, and why not change it to Climate Weather and Geology? It's far from complete but I would rather it be in the archive since what I have now works fine.

>>41112808
For once, based.

>>41112808
what?

>>41084686
I will consider this as 1. because its that at its core

>>41087339
>>41095361
Alright just to not drag this out we will handle this as second round with nobabstains because otherwise this takes forever.

Since some details about this have changed too i would like to consider this mock vote as "nijimales is considered dead, how to proceed" because it seems with new info that a real discussion would be on something else entirely

>>41119472
Remind me, what's the point of this vote again?

>>41104894
>>41103200
uooohh Founder-kun's shota ass ToT

>>41118279
>>41112522
>>/vt/thread/S19725371#p19779603
Because people either keep forgetting the actual context or weren't actually here when that happened. The real problem was not that /who/ couldn't receive land from /uuu/ but that the sapling who proposed that (and the thread as a whole) wasn't really interested in the thread at that time. So it was considered unfair and there were even accusations of samefagging.

>>41112808
Also rep what would you describe Wendigos as? More monsters or animals? Right now I'm thinking it as a species that has some kind of sexual dimorphism. Which the actual wendigo is either a dominant male/female. Wargs are both the prey and target of Kleptoparasitism from dominant Wendigos. (Since afaik actual commensalism/mutalism doesn't really work like that.) Maybe they are sort of like T-rexs hypothesized in recent studies too, that the juveniles are very different from the adults, and that it takes a long while for them to grow from juveniles to adults. Which makes them more vulnerable and explains their rarity. But if you are thinking more monster like then I'm just gonna throw most of that out and magic that stuff.

>>41121646
You can have both magic and nuanced zoology! Maybethe wendigos start out as an animal as you describe, but if they taste a human/wendigo animal with /who/ chuubanite it begins a mutation that turns them into monsters that seek out graveyards specifically, for example.
(Basing this on watchalongs of that one QTE game about wendigos where the curse was caused by cannibalism).
Just an idea.

>>41112522
So... You're saying that local reps should decide for themselves but that the greater group should act as a check and balance for unfair situations?

>>41123212
Yeah basically

>>41120949
The point was that with the current vote system actual votes that are not a clear consens like new nations being placed is flawed. If this vote ends with the place being forced to free up it will not be something the affected parties will be fine with at all while if it gets merged completly the other site will cry foul vecause some just voted for their friends benefit or with falseflag reps

>>41123668
>other site will cry foul vecause some just voted for their friends benefit or with falseflag reps
This seems like a really biased look on things, so I'll ask this, as the only vote so far that would fall under this category. What when that doesn't happen and I accept the fact that the majority feels different than me on the matter and that that is okay? You know, like an adult. What then?

>>41123668
Anon I'm genuinely having trouble understanding what your saying here. Is this a schizo post or just esl?

>>41126882
Just ESL, I think. It's not schizo, just poorly phrased.

>>41125522
Alright then we ask people about it

Alice and emma would you feel well or very accepting about a vote where nijimales simply gets freed up or at least mostly, i will extent this to anyone that wants to give their opinion for this outcome

And the other way around i ask 3beat and clocks if they really feel that a vote that lets nijimales merge with 2434 would be something you are happy with and feel was made with an objective lense, i will also extend this towards anyone that wants to chime in on this outcome

Coming soon... Heishin War...

>>41127270
>feel well or very accepting about a vote where nijimales simply gets freed up or at least mostly, i will extent this to anyone that wants to give their opinion for this outcome
Is there any reason why this wouldn't be the natural outcome? I assumed they're neighbors on tha map, are they not?

>>41127270
No real desire to discuss this right now when the thread is up: >>41090658

>>41127409
Who even mentioned the whole thing about nijimales going away if its still up? Was it just a thread consesus there?

>>41127270
Just call me some variation of deadbeat in the thread, retro.
I think this would set a bad precedent. I believe there are ways to address their lore-related concerns and protect the work they put into their nations without formally merging the two nations on the map. I haven't been convinced otherwise.
And it seems like the point is moot >>41127409

>>41127270
But to answer the question, No. It is lazy lore writing that doesn't reflect the realities of the board. It effectively gives our hard work the middle finger, as we worked really hard on our lore document and have plans for the future, and furthermore, the idea for any other option is totally based on meta and precedents, not the objective reality of what happens.

>>41127465
Its back up now after it came to light tjat comfy was a baker for it and if he and the other baker don't bake it can have lobg breaks

Before that the situation was that its gone and was dead for 4 months already and why it became a topic.

This situation right now is just a theoretical anymore that just shows why a real issue with the current vote system is really gonna hurt the project

>>41127532
I called you that in thread for months, NOW its an issue?

>>41127270
By no means would I want any land given up, because I think it is extremely lazy, disrespectful to the work myself, alice and others put into it, and furthermore just addresses the concerns of those who think that land should be freed up when half the 2/3 of the bloody world is open game. I would be willing to accomadate another nijijp thread, but not by any means a NijiEN thread, or any other. It's disrespectful to the history of the nation we have created to presume otherwise in my opinion. This is going to come off strong because I am the rep for Nijimales and I love the thread, and Nijisanji JP. If you think that bias is clouding my judgement, so be it but I won't yield an inch.

>>41127664
It's not a big deal, it's just a slight preference lol. I think I mentioned this before, but maybe that wasn't you.

>>41127566
>>41127680
Grow up, spoiled brats. Tell that to all the other nations that were provinced, and how meat is treated. Fucking bitches.

>>41127680
What work? What have you even done? It was all Alice and not you.

>>41127664
>baker issues
>fucking baker issues
You're joking right? Is it really that hard for people to just follow a format?
Anyways, it might have been better to use a different theoretical that would have a more universal call to attention that more people would have a strong opinion on.

>>41127760
I would rather not answer this, but I am not going to allow you to give me credit for all the work she did on the lore doc, which was most of it.

>>41127707
I'm pretty sure that was me when I said I considered all deadbeats to be the same person and made no attempt to distinguish between them

>>41127707
No that wasn't me, but also you dodged the second part of how you feel in regards to when the merge goes through
>>41127763
The thing is that this did almost became a real thing

How is clear glass production in /who/? I was thinking about putting bread behind glass shelves. I'm not expecting big sheets of glass. Something like a grid wooden frame with windows.

>>41128162
You know that Emma herself baked?

>>41128162
>No that wasn't me, but also you dodged the second part of how you feel in regards to when the merge goes through
If it goes, it goes. My part was just voting and expressing my opinion, and possibly bringing up this precedent if dead threads start to be gobbled up by neighbours later on.

>>41128263
Truthfully, this thread takes precedence over logic too much when it comes to lore decisions, and this is further proof of it.

Speaking of dead threads, why should meat belong on the map? Isn't there sort of a double standard you guys are holding here about this? You certainly had no problem telling nijimales rep that their lore doesn't matter and that they should be provinced, so let's province meat. It isn't coming back no matter how much meme magic you desire. They are a landless thread now.

>>41128569
Meat is totally different and it would be a bad precedent to ever province them considering they are still trying to have a thread.

>>41128569
Meat is an integral part of this thread, so there really isn't a double standard when they keep trying to have a thread.

>>41128263
would you feel like current vote system really is worth it if a merge would be voted?

>>41128616
I don't even think the issue is more than just provincing meat, I think the issue is that provinces are also horrendously flawed in some very obvious ways.

>>41128721
Regardless, what gives them the right to be on the map? Nostalgia?

>>41128721
Meant to say I think the issue is more than provincing meat

>>41128569
kek shut the fuck up about meat you fucking whore.

>>41128706
The issues with the vote system is why the reform proposal exists, but I'm not sure what you're asking.

Does anyone have that soundpost of pekora saying "shut up bitch"
You should put that pic of luna pointing at the neon sign over it.

>>41128907
It's funny to see them sperg out about this, they wanted to merge so badly and got rebuffed so hard alice cried fucking kek.

>>41128974
Would be good whenever alice or emma are bitching like usual or being as unreasonable as they were just above. Really they are probably starting this shit about meat.

>>41129028
kek.

>>41129028
I mean sure but it'd be funny also

What a lovely thread.

>>41128970
Ehh honestly, this is less about you or the lolis but more to highlight to those that think the current vote system is fine becausr it worked out so far, that once the issue will come, this gonna hurt the thread a lot
>>41129145
You do realize i'm here right?

You best be leaving my loli wife alice alone now! ToT You all need correction more than her! ToT ToT ToT

>>41128721
Do elaborate on this.

>>41131171
Nta, but Some provinces have more value than other. Look at Rumina, they are easily more rich than Luna and other oldfag nations. Geological studies need to take place before placement for balance.

>>41131527
This.

>>41131527
That was not where I was going AT ALL but go on I suppose?
>>41131171
There's a lot wrong but I can't buff it out right now due to time constraints, I can say that the province proposal didn't take into account situations like /meat/, I'll need to look over it in its entirety but it is cobbled together like a hot log of shit and the idea of nations with active writers but inactive threads was not something that Mountain or Csanalite had in mind when putting it together.

>>41131527
You can always move, anon.

>>41131729
>the idea of nations with active writers but inactive threads was not something that Mountain or Csanalite had in mind when putting it together.
I'll cover my own ass and add, not something that I think they had in mind. Can't check right now if graduations or janny thread death was mentioned.

>>41131729
I have a problem with the borders on them not being able to be redrawn. North indeia is a good example of this as they literally did not include the giant sea in the middle of it so one province there is really misleading

>>41131527
I agree this is a major problem. Need to do a geological and climate value chart. Rumina should only got 2 kek

>>41131968
Lets not have our climate anons do that much work. You can but come on. It took Z all day to finish rumina.

>>41132057
It shouldnt be that hard, besides, thats their job around here right? Climeat, nasfaqronie, and Z; get to work kek

Are there any shipautists that can tell me about what people used in order to deal with artic weather back in the day? Did they just pray or did they have specific things on their ship?

>>41131968
>>41132157
Blain broken?

>>41132347
You could probably look up Russian navy ships before the Soviet Union.

>>41132347
Look up hms endurance. You arent going to have fun in the arctic at all.

>>41131527
>balance
Since when is this a game?

>>41132347
The fundamental idea of an ice breaker is that you want a touch sloped hull that can handle striking chunks of ice, and can climb up onto ice to break it under the weight of the ship instead of just hitting it and stopping. This can be done with wooden hulls as well as metal hulls, but your ice breaking capability is extremely limited without some kind of fossil fuel engine.
Besides that, deicing is a big job, and you don't want to let the ice freeze around your ship, or you're fucked.

>>41133937
It ain’t happening.

>>41134075
What ain't?

>>41134075
>>41133937
Chuubanite is a thing.

>>41133082
Is that the one about the absolute CHAD of a captain that got stranded in the artic and rescued all of his men?
>>41134075
Sure thing bud

>>41134185
Chuubanite doesnt give you the ability to magically survive the horror of the arctic sea.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin%27s_lost_expedition

>>41134326
Yeah it will. Moriji will conquer the poles by 1150.

>>41134326
Unironically, yes it does.

>>41134477
Please tell me how a magic rock prevents you from being crushed by ice, not starving or succumbing to the elements, or getting ice bound for 3 years.

>>41134544
Chuubanite hull, heating and a lot of food anon.

>>41121646
I've still been thinking about it, I was leaning on it being a life form that requires constant sustenance, so that themes of greed are better represented.
As of now the current idea I've got is that they're mutated animals that get a humanoid shape. Or maybe they're a rare kind of animal that preys on the wargs, I'm still not sure. I've also thought about linking them to the /uuu/ druids, where sometimes their compost process goes awry and a wendigo appears.

>>41134544
>tell me how the magic rock saves you
>with magic
>wait no not like that

>>41134608
Hello hooman. Thoughts on >>41128204 ?

>>41128204
I think it should be serviceable, if it is just sheets of glass I don't see how that couldn't be produced.

>>41134621
Well you could try to explain that but it seems like none of you actually have studied arctic and antarctic exploration to actually understand the difficulties of it. But who am i kidding? No one gives a shit about sailing anyways, let alone arctic exploration.

>>41134715
Yeah sorry, was still reading the thread

>>41134743
Chuubanite hull

>>41134817
Will be crushed by ice. Its not a miracle device.

>>41134743
? >>41133937 I care about it, why the salt? Wanna talk anon? What's your favorite sleigh dog breed?

>>41134590
And how exactly would a chuubanite hull help?

>>41134608
>>41134715
Alright, update on the admiral Jovial side character, if you'll mention him in anything. He's one of the meatbros characters it seems, not ronie's, but he used him in a story as well.
>In the story I used him for, he's a great melee fighter, bad shot, brave and open-minded. Was a captain under Timesworth and got promoted to Admiral on his recommendation. Respects Timesworth for leading battles himself, and learned to do the same
Is what he told me. My own personal opinion is that he would help the survivors get their bearings in the Republic and give them some financial aid at the start and when he would see they are gonna be ok, depart back to Infinitum. Tho you three can spin this however you want.

>>41134870
A strong one

>>41134897
Its more annoyance at how chuubanite is seen as this miracle device, but whatever. Siberian Husky.

>>41134975
Pack Ice doesnt care kek. Will crush anything.

>>41134948
So a fun old man, alright.

>>41135022
If it was impossible to cross the artic then we wouldn't be looking at pyramids there.
Give me a hint.

>>41134724
>>41134787
Well, I'm also thinking of cost. Plus the windows of displays being wooden framed would match the asthetics of the bakery. Though it depends on how the wood would match the red brick asthetics. A lighter colored wood like oak and birch could work. I'll have to draw what I'm thinking of eventually.

>>41135099
Hint: You need 150 more years of experience and technological improvements.

>>41134981
A very traditional choice, but you can't go wrong with huskies. I'm more a Malamute kinda guy, closer to my roots.
Anyway, while they were most definitely not a good time, there was some arctic exploration happening in the tech equivalent of our time period. It wasn't easy, very often successful, or pleasant, but it did happen.

>>41135158
Do draw it, would probably help you out a lot in deciding how everything looks

>>41135181
They said that about alot of stuff and the Hyperborians proved em wrong.
The chuubanite hull can lift the ship upward and help push the icepacks below to be crushed under the ships weight. Just like the Hyperborians did.

>>41135391
Chuubanite lifting the ship upward would be the exact opposite of what you want if you want to crush ice under it's weight

>>41135509
What about what this guy said >>41133937 he sounds like he knows his stuff and he says breaking ice is all about climbing up and putting down.

>>41135630
The question really is how would the chuubanite be helping with lifting the ship.

>>41135750
Exertion of force, it's a basic property of chuubanite. You might need to carefully rig your pulling spots so they don't tear your ship apart and the cost of magic quanta could make the ships extremely limited but you could do it.

>>41136120
And what when it inevitably runs out from moving a multiple ton ship up constantly?

>>41136388
Pray for some more MQ and good luck, the Hyperborians never said it was easy. You could have some resupply stations on nearby islands set up or have some ritual rites to conduct if you wanna be extra careful.

>>41136120
>>41135750
>>41135509
>>41135391
>>41134981

>>41137232

>>41137232
How those chuubanite reps going, OG?

My ship wife is everything

I had a bit typed up on my phone but then it got soft-banned by captcha. So I have a few questions for /who/. What are common building materials you use?

>>41137926
On the modern era that's probably steel, wood, and concrete.
Stones and older materials (like wood) are still in use, since it'd be kind of unreasonable to do that in the current tech level

After taking a look at the results of the polls from last night, it seems that someone had tampered with the votes. After careful consideration, we have decided that a revote is the best way to handle the situation. Because of this we will be revoting using Google Forms as a more secure platform. The poll will run for 5 days and can be found here.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScTK-LW51FdNWuvgahzbvcELM-sDDMBiYE3Zg9F_UKB_fVc-g/viewform
Unfortunately, this means you will have to sign in to a google account in order to vote from now on. There is also a verification question at the end to ensure that the only people voting in this poll are those who frequent the general.
From what we can tell, it seems like only the main roster poll was affected, so the /risu/ poll will stand as-is. This means that Harem Protagonist /risu/ will be the new /risu/ player for vtl4!
It's sad that it had to come to this, but hopefully we can avoid this sort of mishap in the future.

Zǎoshang hǎo zhōngguó xiànzài wǒ yǒu BING CHILLING wǒ hěn xǐhuān BING CHILLING dànshì sùdù yǔ jīqíng 9 bǐ BING CHILLING sùdù yǔ jīqíng sùdù yǔ jīqíng 9 wǒ zuì xǐhuān suǒyǐ…xiànzài shì yīnyuè shíjiān zhǔnbèi yī, èr, sān liǎng gè lǐbài yǐhòu sùdù yǔ jīqíng 9 ×3 bùyào wàngjì bùyào cu òguò jìdé qù diànyǐngyuàn kàn sùdù yǔ jīqíng 9 yīn wéi fēicháng hǎo diànyǐng dòngzuò fēicháng hǎo chàbùduō yīyàng BING CHILLING zàijiàn

You sanalites think you have a chance against us? You haven't a chance in hell of ever beating the taste of BING CHILLING. We will BURY you. BING CHILLING

>>41138362
Here's some choco tits for you, moonafic. Now go play with the other kids out on the swings.

>>41138071
Okay so for the materials of the bakery I was thinking of having a wall of brick ovens made from heat resistant red brick, which is also what the chimney will be made from. The rest of the building can be made from either stone brick or wattle and daub. Probably stone brick as the walls won't catch on fire and they'll be warmed by the bakery's ovens throughout the rest of the building. For countertops I was thinking of either quartz or ceramic countertops as those materials won't hold moisture from dough. Alternatively we can use polished wood countertops but use ceramic plates and bowls for kneading and mixing. The cooling racks for bread have to be brass or steel. I want to avoid brick countertops because grout's not good with moisture. The shelves in the storefront are there to display bread and goods for sale. For the wooden frames I was thinking about sealing them with bee's wax so the bread's steam won't damage them from the inside.

>>41138362
btw is this the rentry you archives actually meant to be factual lore or is this just meant more as a joke post?

>>41138268
Whelp. I guess I can't answer the verification question. Looks like I'm not voting even if I could.

>>41139271
Just say you're breaddog and we'll let it slide... How kek...

>>411139271
Looks like you gotta do your reps then, friend.

>>41139271
Whoops. >>41139442

>>41139271
Yea I'm not findin the answer to that either, out of principle.

>>41138994
It is lore as far as I know. Its based of Kobo saying it.

>>41139271
How? It's actually a free question...Hell, just ask Hoomans if you really don't know it.

>>41139271
Holoimperial

>>41140379
...I don't know the answer. I don't even remember where Ailivia is supposed to be.

>>41138268
Question changed. Do your reps if you're not sure or just answer to the best of your ability. Revealing the answer only opens the floodgates for tourists.

>>41122813
There have been a lot of talks about chuubanite mutations in the past but drastic morphological mutations are also very rare creatures like brahmins from Fallout would die before existing infancy. If anything a hypothetical mutation probably is the thing that makes wendigos more aggressive or territorial, what makes the myth of it rather than the mythical creature itself.

>>41134608
Unlike the thread I think /uuu/ has made some edits and jokes regarding Fauna as a wendigo before. Depending on how rare sightings were historically might also make sense that its original range is in the /uuu/ Forest and it only extended out relatively recently, probably due to human activity. Fully grown adult individuals probably require a lot of energy so they would have to be on the move constantly and search for carcasses so I think that works.

>>41134724
For neighbors, Hoshiyomia probably has some good quality glass for their nobility. And if it's just for a display I don't think it needs to be super clear, just enough to see the product should be fine. And uh I'm not feeling reading a whole bunch on glass production rn.

>>41137926
Aside from that bricks should be very common.

>>41138071
Stone buildings are still being built well into the 19th century, even now you see plenty of new buildings using stones like granite. Shale is still used as roofing or decorative flooring in outdoor areas. It should also depend on architectural trends in the country and region. I'm not that well-read on architectural history but I think most of /who/'s buildings should be between Baroque and early art deco. The country's pretty secular but religious influence should still be deep in culture and ideology. Overall practicality and cost should be main driving force behind architectural design in the Republic but some aesthetic choices should also influence how designs are approached.

>>41132347
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_(boat)
Ideally you would want its bottom to be rounded, so when it gets stranded between ice it doesn't get crushed but gets lifted up. But like >>41133937 said you wound want actual, independent propulsion if it's an ice breaker you are building. I also doubt that wooden icebreakers really have the mass to break ice. Even if they have some ice breaking capability, and not just ice protection, rather than literally sailing through them polar ships most likely would avoid large ice chunks and areas that are almost completely frozen over. It's not like you have GPS and satellite communication in universe, so if you get stranded there's a real chance you will run out of food and die before summer comes.
Also note that for the franklin expeditions

>>41140546
Ailivia is the ocean between Indie continent and Holo, iirc. Idk when people started calling the continent itself Ailivia though.
Also the answer's the language family hooman language is supposedly in

>>41138071
Also forgot to mention that I think at this point steel wasn't used en mass. Cast iron was much cheaper and easier to produce in Europe and thus they were used more commonly than steel. It was not until the invention of Bessmer process that steel-framed buildings really took off.

>>41131527
Let Rumina boast of her gay gilded waters,
Her vines and her bowers and her soft sunny skies,
Her sons drinking love from the eyes of her daughters,
Where freedom expires amid softness and sighs.

PPT's blue mountains wild where hoary cliffs are piled,
Towering in grandeur are dearer tae me,
Land of the misty cloud land of the tempest loud,
Land of the brave and proud land of the free

Hard living countries are fun, more people should join in the hardship. Hard times create hard men.

>>41142217
Beautiful.

>>41141731
I really need a coffee. Didn't even finish the last sentence.

Also note that for the franklin expedition, the Navy only modified the two bomb ketches Erebus and Terror for the expeditions and never purpose-built any hulls dedicated to icebreaking. They were selected for their reinforced hulls and rounded bottoms, built as bomb ketches that have to endure the massive force of shipboard mortars. Availability of hulls, experience and who's funding them would influence what kind of ship you ended up with too.

But that's really the extent of my knowledge for icebreakers and polar expeditions. Anything after that point ehh idk.

>>41140480
proper name for it is literally in the archive, btw

>>41141731
How much ice breaking would the ice breaker need to do? I assume that if its built like the koch, it wont necessarily need to use chuubanite to break ice when the ice is too frequent or thick for the boat to push itself out of the water with.

>>41142217
You should visit Hagu, i hear they are very welcoming of hard men.

>>41141731
>>41142018
>And uh I'm not feeling reading a whole bunch on glass production rn.
Yeah I opened that wikipedia page and then closed it immediatly.
I do know that mass steel usage would be pretty hard to do as it is now, so bricks would probably be the most common thing I guess. Steel constructions would probably be limited to the capital and important buildings around the country.
Relating Wendigos to /uuu/ seems funny enough to me. Current concept will be this: Saplings try to compost a member of the community. process goes wrong, wendigo is produced and wrecks things in its path as it feeds and grows. To the druids it could also be related to us as a corrupting influence, maybe the composting process can be interrupted by the presence of lead or whatever. Still brainstorming.

>>41142217
Hello!

>>41142535
Kochs aren't icebreakers per se. Since they aren't designed for sailing literally into ice for scientific expeditions or tourism. Modern icebreakers might have some elements that originated or was inspired by it and other ships like it but they are meant to be either carried or dragged out of ice if they got stuck. You would probbaly want to sail in seas that only have small floating ice but not literally between large ice chunks in a narrow strait. Sound like suicide to me. It should also really depend on why you are building it. Is it for commerce or science, military? Since for the first reason there's literally no reason for one to try to break through ice-heavy waters due to both risk and cost. Better to use tried and tested ice-free routes.

>>41142691
If magic's involved in the process somewhat then it probably happened deeper in the forest.

>>41142311
Right? The north is beautiful in it's own right. It has it's own strengths.
>>41142565
I think our thread has good relation with hag and loli. Marine's thread isn't still around is it? They'd have been a good in-between with the hags.
>>41142938
Hello

>>41143098
Science and Maybe Military but primarily bragging rights of being able to explore the artic and stake claim, even if that claim is only the arbitrary non enforced type of claim.
So koch's would be generally icey but not literal ice sheets and ice breakers would be for getting to ice floes and plates that prevent us from getting to hyperborea

>>41131527
I already raised this point months ago but other than the deadbeat I don't think anyone concurred or even replied to the post.
Though we can always just deal with things on a case by case basis. No need to literally apply a numerical value to EVERY province. Some threads might want itself to be fairly big for their lore.

>>41141731
If we don't have glass for shelves then that's fine. We'll just have to have a strongarm to catch breadrunners.

>>41142018
Cast iron baking sheets should be fine so long as they're lined with parchment paper. Though we can bake most loaves on a rack. Irons and tins would be used to bake cakes and pastries.

>>41143485
PPTanon has it right, dire straits and bitter lands make for a strong national people.

>>41142217
Nice rhymes, heimin. I would tend to agree with its moral, easy living makes for brittle bones.
Say, I had an idea I would need your help with. Do you think it would be plausible for a Heimin to find himself conducting research outside of /ppt/? I've been wanting to have a Heimin character in one of my writings since you posted that intro doc.
If that sounds okay, I'd just like a proper Heimin name for the character from you.
>>41143485
The intro document does mention surface area and land productivity should be taken into account, but I guess it's hidden in an addendum.

>>41144411
I wonder if mine counts as dire

>>41144669
I think they're pretty dire, but it's what makes the sauna so comfy. Worth.

>>41144761
Having things be dire would fit the monhun needs too

>>41144669
You're snowy, you count I think. Maybe not artic dire, but dire nonetheless.

Just need to write a business plan now. I'm a bit rusty with that. First we'll start with just the bakery since its pretty much done. Need to account all of the materials and labor it costs to build the building, ovens, storefront, and tools.

So I need to ask Hoomans where can I supply ingredients to bake the bread? I'm aiming for a bakery in a trade city for the most amount of return. Plus there's less xenophobes in trade cities as every foreigner is a potential customer. If Hoomans have a better idea for a location of a bakery that has less land cost then feel free to suggest it.

>>41143806
Glass production should be VERY widespread especially in more urban areas. No reason why they would not have access to glass.

>>41144411
The Fremen were my inspiration.
>>41144589
The rhymes are just a Scotland the Brave shitpost lol.
It's easily plausible, please feel free, the academy is an open institution. The main area of study is medicine, theology and (chuubanite)radiology.
As for names, I'm trying to think about funny names she had for pokemon and stuff... but it doesn't really work for people. You could call him/her Dr.Upao or since the culture is based off an amalgamation of Hebrews, Baltics, Norwegians and Russians you could name it anything in that realm and add a cute -taso on the end to make it unique.

>>41145344
port city, capital, maybe the border with /rrat/.
You'll get access to wheat and potato, so you can reuse some of the ideas from the previous attempt at establishing that bakery.

>>41145376
We'll start with no glass shelves at first. Then when we start making a profit we'll invest in glass shelves. We'll need it when we become popular. For now we'll be fine.

>>41145785
So port and capital are no brainers as ideal businesses with drawbacks of city living. I'm curious about the border to /rrat/. Perhaps the lack of competition and high demand could secure us a higher profit as we won't have to compete with other bakeries. At the same time I have to ask how xenophobic Hoomans would be to Sanalites in the region. At the same time Sanalites got banned from /rrat/. So it might not be a good location after all.

>>41146242
>Sanalites got banned from /rrat/
I do NOT remember that happening
Most hoomans would have only heard stories about the Sanallites in maybe some newspapers, there's no real reason for mass xenophobia to affect you guys too much anyways, as both from a sister nation and from apparent closeness in culture.

>>41145406
>Fremen
Dune inspo, unfathomably based. That's also why I have a giant ecosystem-establishing slithering creature in my lore.
Dr. Upao, that sounds great, thank you! She'll be a field researcher with degrees in theology and chuubanitics (focus on radiology), to study religious and magically radiant artefacts from a /jp/ era ruin in the high arctic, which is why I thought of /ppt/.
Oh, sorry if that was mentioned somewhere, but do Heimin have some kind of distinguishing visual feature? White-blue hair? Shuriken-shaped halos floating over their heads? Smaller in stature than average?

>>41146603
It was a joke about Cunt.

>>41146947
kek, that got an audible chuckle out of me.

>>41146947
Oh, right.
I did forget to mention, access to wheat would be a lot more limited on the border with /rrat/, you'd be limited to potatoes there.

>>41146667
>Shuriken-shaped halos floating over their heads
NTA but that sounds interesting

>>41146667
Kanata has never given heimin a form... so we're left to the imagination. I didn't really have specifics in mind, but the white-blue hair is a good idea. I'd go with that, and I'll bring it into the lore.

>>41147283
What about other grains? I suppose Sanalites can still have some cold resistant space wheat left over. But we'd have to open up a farming contract.

>>41146947
Bread Man has bants, subtle bants but bants nonetheless

>>41147622
Barley does grow in cold places. I'll be honest, I'm not remembering much on the grains we have right now, I think we have Rye too. Getting a contract for the cold resistant space wheat would be an instant boom to your funding and would probably give you all the money you'd need for any building.

>>41146667
I think the ancient artifact radiation, the arctic can be really cool. Does anyone have any esoteric schizo lore about antartica to draw from?

>>41147988
>>41147283
Spring wheat should still be able to grow in that region. The problem is probably soil. Though rye and buckwheat flour should be common.

>>41147432
but there is such a beautiful rendition of heimins already

>>41147432
Nice! That'll work nicely. Thanks for the help.
>>41147335
Could make for a nice fashion accessory, have it suspended by a thin rod or something... Maybe just for the clergy.
>>41148003
If anyone has something spicy, that would be welcome! Atm I'm drawing from the most schizo posts I can find in the Kantai Collection general, as that's what I'll be drawing from for the artefact.

>>41149557
>have it suspended by a thin rod or something

>>41149861
>ppt are all just haibane
Comfy . . .

>>41148564
Sounds like a fertilizer problem. Maybe with some research we can domesticate a hybrid of space wheat and native rye that can survive in the soil. But that'll take a few years of research and cross-pollination to pull off.

How's the trade routes to more fertile wheat fields? We can learn to bake local rye but our bread and butter is still wheat bread. If we have barley then beer would be an excellent export from the region.

>>41128569
Hey. Fuck off!

>>41151627
Hoomen dont trade

>>41153057
Hey Founder!

>>41151627
There's some important lakes and rivers in the east, so maybe those could help the soil in its duties. Trade routes to the west should exist, and they should be well mantained.
Back in the day I did have that beer trade with the /rrat/ monks would be a more common thing, so maybe that was the incentive to bring forth barley to the east in some past.

>>41154769
If we got some good trade routes to farmland then it should be fine. Barley is just as good as wheat for bread. As for growing space wheat they're pretty hardy on climate. The main thing to watch out for is mold and disease. We'll start with a test crop to see how the seeds fare in the east lakeland climate.

>>41154422
How ya doin? same for pg, you feelin better?

Everytime I see Akira I never want to hurt her. Instead I want to hug her.

>>41160385
You know, these days I think even /meat/heads feel like that... Akira love.

>>41158002
idk, but i feel like i should stay somewhat silent for a while. are we planning to have another thread, and if so, how long do you think we can keep it up?

>>41163897
I will try to make one.
Look for Nito

>>41164654
post it in the off site thread.

bump

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>>41169102
-tt

>>41169131
i will cum on these butts

>>41132157
If i could earn a living doing climate and ocean currents maps and talking about rockautism all day I would but too bad i need to spend a considerable part of my daily life on all these other kind of useless things that hopefully one day keep my rent paid.
>>41131968
Rumina is fine as long as the ruminarep doesn't also want to claim to be a major industrial producer.

>>41083251
>png
Baker's these days...
>>41083338
Oi Archive anon, where'd my zomrade proposal go? If you wanna throw it away than put it in non canon or somethin

>>41134590
Chuubanite is supposed to be relatively rare and expensive, like silver or gold, not something you can just make a ship with. I think in general people assume the stuff is way too common.
>>41134544
It can easily help with heat if sewn into clothing or made into heating plates, but the other two are more difficult.
>>41134817
Chuubanite as a material is not any stronger than usual materials, and it is most likely about as heavy as any material with a similar hardness and toughness. You way as well use iron or steel plating on a ship and achieve similar results cheaper.
>>41134981
Same.
>>41136120
>>41136388
>>41136629
It would be far better to construct some sort of an ice-breaking or ice-melting device or glyph at the bow of the ship, rather than try to lift the whole boat.
A series of glyphs around the ship that could, when activated, generate a breaking force or a lot of heat to free the ship from ice temporarily could be helpful, but I do not see a ship having an affordable constant protection from ice using chuubanite. At best, you get 1-3 shots of this trump card per expedition, unless you haul with you a few tons of the stuff.
Prayer and rituals arent generally fast enough to let you resupply the amount of MQ you need for this sort of thing. Youd freeze to death before you would have a chance to free your ship.

>>41140546
>>41141832
Ailivia is the Holocontinent, Ailivian Ocean is named after the holocontinent.
It stems from the early discussion of continent names.
>>41145406
>Dune inspiration.
I caught onto that. Very based. I've used some for nasfaqg as well, we have our own idea/prophecy of the "Kwisatz Haderach", a merchant with the perfect flow who will one day buy the world. Or something like that, the idea hasnt really cooked much, but its a canon idea since it came from the mediator directly.
>>41147988
Agriculture is doable even in tundra climate, its more a question of biome really. Potatoes, turnips, carrots, cabbage, kale, and cauliflower all grow nicely at least in iceland, which is tundra.
You'll get lower yields but its still doable.
>>41171113
Repost it, maybe they lost it or something.

>>41151627
Remind me what this space wheat is again? You ain't talking about starwheat, right?

>>41171145
You're the finn right? Do tell me on potato farming in Suomi, the northern climate of /who/ corresponds nicely with that of the country.

Can't sleep.

https://youtu.be/8RDCSxZvthE

>>41171145
>It would be far better to construct some sort of an ice-breaking or ice-melting device or glyph at the bow of the ship, rather than try to lift the whole boat.
That was the initial thought, Clock. Problem is, I'm fairly certain the amount of heat needed to melt through those ice sheets in such a cold environment would drain the chuubanite faster than utilizing ice breaking methods would, also that's what chuubanite hull means, the hull is being tilted upwards to allow ice to flow into it underneath, then lowering down to climb the ice, it's not doing a hover on the ship if that was what you thought. If you utilized the shape of a hull that was made to naturally traverse artic environments and hazardous ice structures and mixed chuubanite lifting with the benefits of the ship's construction, there's a likely chance that you'd be able to get through a fair bit of ice without needing to use your lift, only actually needing to use it when it became clear that the pack ice was too thick or tall in height for the ship to be able to squeeze out of. If you're conservative and make sure you only use your chuubanite when you need to, you could very well be able to make it back without running out entirely in an area where the curved hull of a boat like the Koch would need to utilize the lift.
>>41171145
Clock I don't look at something after it's done, I barely know what to search in the archives to look it up

>>41131171
Also I haven't forgotten about this.
The province proposal will need a bit more time, most likely posted next thread. Alot of problems with the provinces are derived from problems with the rep system as it was used however it also has its own problems that I've very vocally pointed out before.
I'll go into detail later but I'll need to tackle it differently than the rep system as none of the problems about the provinces are as bad as they were with the rep system, instead I think a giant issue with the province system is that its unfinished and incomplete to the point of feeling rushed and aimed to achieve its stated goal without properly considering if the way it was going about it was the right way to do so, or even if there was a way to do so without taking a carving knife to old lore.

>>41172170
Alternatively have the expedition be something that's less ceremonious. /luna/'s supposed to be an artic country after all. No need for ice breakers or anything. Just ships adapted to traveling in seas with ice.

Its probably too early in the day to ask this. Can Hoomans make wire grills? I'm looking at some brick oven builds and I found a nice multiple shelf one. But the guy welded and soldered a lot of the metal parts. Especially the door hinges. I think the bakery will have both industrial design ovens and classic brick ovens.

>>41172979
>Can Hoomans make wire grills?
Sure, why not, i don't actually know the industrial pre-requesits for it, but even if it can't be done on a factory, more specialized iron workers should be able to provide it

>>41172979
So what is this space wheat? Was it mentioned in lore before?

>>41173412
NTA but from what I remember it was wheat but with GMOs for growth in space, or something like that.

>>41083338
https://rentry.org/lunaito_zomrade_proposal
Re-Archiving. And also I want someone to clarify some stuff about general and land relation since I've been hearing some odd stuff like "If a nation aint on the map it don't exist" since I'm pretty sure the cannon for the province proposal will probably also put a hole through these /meat/ timeloops if I'm on the right line of thought.
I feel like this proposal is a good description of zomrades in regards to Ollie and the fanbase and I've gotten responses that agree, I mostly don't give a crap who writes what so all of the discourse on who should write for what has been an annoyance at most since it really doesn't matter as long as stuff gets written and that stuff achieves the goal of representation, I honestly think it's good enough to be a basis for canon as to what zomrades are so if anyone has any objection's related to the actual content of the lore, I'd be more keen to hear that than objections to the writing of it at all. Especially when schizos have subtly shifted their points of agitation from, "not writing lore" to "not finishing lore" which I can point to the Brapgul and Foreignaitos as things that I mentioned previously that did get finished, generally I wouldn't mention it but there's some hub ub about the /hlgg/ war ideas that I was excited about.
Many of which frame it as if it would be a good thing for me to barrel into a conflict like that instead of taking the time to figure out the factors that lead to it occurring in a way that isn't infantilizing the politics of war or the factors that cause it as well as writing /hlgg/'s military power and abilities and history in a way that's fair to it. Honestly I see that it might be more likely that /hlgg/ has plans to invade one of its neighboring EN states for more land and that /luna/ only makes a move either in conjunction or as a result of hostilities breaking some treatise or trade of some kind. Either way, I'm a glutton for argumentation and like to do so often times for the thrill of it so anyone with any conceivable gripe can do so at the cost of potential san loss.
>>41172842
>spoiler
Yea, assumedly we have those and also some small trade vessels. Root Beer Fleet comes next.

>>41173472
And that's why I'm asking if it's an actual lore entry or just something that he thought up but never put down, like a lot of stuff.

>>41171462
Thats a vague question, difficult to determine what exactly you are looking for so ill just give you a shotgun answer and hope its helpful.
By far the largest produced crop is barley, followed by oats, potato, wheat, and sugar beet in that order. Hemp, rapeseed, carrots, cucumber, rye, and tomato are also grown in significant amounts. The spice caraway also grows quite well, as we produce about 28% of the global supply.
I know a person who grows wine grapes, but I don't know the exact details of how plausible this would be in vitubia, and to be honest the grapes weren't that good, but that might just be that particular person's crop being shit that year, idk.
Majority of agricultural production lies between the 60th and 65th parallels.
Subarctic agriculture has a few advantages over subtropical and tropical agriculture. Like the fact that in the summer you get absurdly long daylight hours, meaning that plants get a lot of sunlight, even if that sunlight is less intense than near the equator. I don't know if the added hours make up for the more diluted sunlight intensity, and I don't want to calculate it right now.
Please don't neglect the berry and mushroom production potential of northern /who/! There are a bunch of very nice and interesting berries you could have growing in economically significant numbers in the wild!

Potato specifically is usually planted in May, when the soil temperature reaches around 8 degrees celsius. Some cultivars, the "Early-potatoes" (varhaisperunat, I don't know if there is an English term for them) may be planted earlier, in April or even March if the weather allows for it.These cultivars are ones with relatively low ATU requirements for growth and maturity. The early-potatoes are harvested my the end of May or mid-June. Normal potatoes are harvested late September or early October. I suppose technically, if the winter is mild, you can get two potato harvests this way, although the early-potatoes are usually quite small, and are sold as new potatoes. Incredibly tasty, so you can ask higher prices for them.
Potatoes meant for over-winter storage have the stems of their plants cut off a few weeks before they are harvested, as this helps make their skin thicker and thus helps with how long they last. Ideal potato storage temperature is about 4-5 degrees C. Higher than this and your potatoes may begin to sprout, lower than this and the starch in your potatoes begins to break down into sugars.

Depending on how deep you want to go into this, this wiki page lists the potato cultivars grown here in alphabetical order https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luettelo_Suomen_perunalajikkeista
>Keys to reading
Cultivar, Type, Harvest time/"Earliness", Breeder, Crossbred cultivars.
>Type
Cant believe the English wiki doesn't have potato cultivars listed by the type. Barbarians all of them.
"kiinteämaltoinen" = Low Starch, keeps their shape well when boiled. Can be cut into neat cubes that keep their shapes even after boiling, good for salads and stuff.
"jauhoinen kiinteämaltoinen" = Starch levels something in-between "kiinteämaltoinen" and "yleisperuna".
"yleisperunat" = Common potatoes. They are about average, the jack of all trades of potatoes. Can be used for nearly anything I suppose.
"jauhoiset yleisperunat" = Starch levels something in-between "yleisperuna" and "jauhoinen". Good for frying.
"jauhoinen" = High levels of starch. Become very soft when cooked, making them good for mashed potatoes and baked potatoes.
"tärkkelysperuna" = High levels of starch. Used mostly for food and chemical industrial purposes.
>Earliness
Basically, how fast the plant grows. The difference between a the higher earliness ones and the lower earliness ones is about 4 to 6 weeks, or about 1 to 1.5 months.
>"aikainen"
Descriptor meaning "early"
"varhaisperuna". Harvest in May and June.
"kesäperuna". Summer potatoes. Harvest in June and July.
"syysperuna". Autumn potatoes. Harvest in July and August, I presume. Couldn't actually find anything that told me.
"talviperuna". Winter potatoes. Harvest in September and October, I presume. Couldn't actually find anything that told me.These are the potatoes you'd store to last you over the winter.
>keskiaikainen, myöhäinen
"Middle-time", "late". I suppose these mean the equivalent of "syysperuna" and "talviperuna" respectively.

Hope this is at least somewhat helpful.

>>41171462
>>41174788 (me)
Cant believe I forgot to mention the other advantage of subarctic climate agriculture, that is the soil freezing helping with the management of plant disease, parasites, and pests.

I LOVE MY WIFE

>>41170189
What if I do?? mwahahahah

>>41175783
Correction!

>>41138362
Nigger, While I agree with all that you said, dont falseflag as me.
Bing Chilling > Spaceniggercream.

>>41175990
Gotcha bitch.

>>41174788
>>41174854
I see, the mushroom market must be insane. I'll have to read this up again when I'm more capable of thought, for now I've saved it. Berries sounds about right.
Potatoes would grow vert well I'm seeing, but there's the possibility of local spices and other root vegetables, I guessed barley right, I've not mentioned oats and sugar beet but I do recall those being written about on our agriculture by the other hooman. The posibility of growing spice caraway interests me a lot.
Having different words, or modifiers in our conlang for types of potatoes would also make sense considering their importance in our culture I realize now.
Alright, thanks.

>>41175783
Really, nothing is stopping you from doing so, but I would just personally find that approach to be boring and disappointing.

>>41174788
A lot of factors go into growing grapes especially for wine so who knows. But I do intend to write something on berries in the Republic, might even specbio some of them. Had an idea about a plant that produces both berries and leaves that have contains caffeine, which hunters usually would tear a couple off and chew during outings.
I bought some cloudberry jam from the local IKEA and they are quite nice.

Though I don't think we are going to get into potato cultivars, aside from maybe one or two unique local ones.

>>41176011
You fucking mong, ah well at least its you.

>>41175914
>>41176039
Eh?? It would be BORING to be good at everything anyways, so of course not!! Writing about a perfect nation is really boring imo and i like having challenges in place as it makes it more interesting!!

>>41176015
Yeah caraway works out since I imagined the Republican cuisine's flavor profile being sort of warm and sweet. And it goes pretty well with sweet stuff, especially berries.

>>41176059
Well you should have expected it. It's the best way of promotion.
>>41176124
Pretty based, ngl.

I do need advice from the Money crew (nasfaq) on how to set up a company page and shit if they didn't mind for Bing Chilling.

>>41174788
HEY!!! Would this make sense for my nation of anya petora global or do you have any suggestions on food other than feesh(we like feesh)???? Thank you mr money!!!

Also Risuner, why have you ghosted me!!! Very rude!!! Alice??? Have you got ideas??? I totally forgot what we were doing but you said you would think of ideas for something that i dont even know what it is anymore!!!

>>41176050
If we do have wine, it doesn't necessarily have to be good, more mediterranean crops can be grown in the greenhouses from richer landowners in the west I guess. Maybe it's like a status symbol. There just wouldn't be mass plantations where aristocrats make bank. I do have ideas on that going down in Hoshiyomia, where the aristocratic nature of their government would have led to higher amounts of cash crops, that, however, does not fall to me.

>>41176217
Didn't you say you had some issue with the zomrades I envisioned a thread or so ago, I remember it coming up but I'm not sure if it was just their existing or the way it was written.

>>41176483
I don't remember having an issue with it as much as I was confused about it all. I think it was the way It was written overall and the context to me not making sense since they are threadless. I would like to see it again because they have their place in my ID Empire plans...

>>41176474
Well we literally have a big Cfc zone in the West. So we should still be able to produce decent quality wine. And in general wine from the Med's got a pretty bad rep. Though that I think has a lot to do with just how well regarded French wines are, aside from the actual quality of the grapes and brewing method.

>>41176599
Yeah I forgot northern France was Oceanic. So we'd have no issues with wine

>>41176328
Also for money crew, should my trade go through a trade company like 2434 does or how do I represent how good we are at trade since we are a trading merchantile empire. I should probably start asking for trade rights and docking rights for our ships in other places...

>>41176805
A mercantile nation would ideally have their own trading companies yes. Your trading companies then could make deals with the other companies from foreign nations to distribute products on their lands if you can't do it on your own.
However, ice cream can't really be transported like that, you know, because it melts.

>>41176956
It's true, unless we use refrigeration, or better yet, just produce locally right?

>>41177068
local production of ice cream would depend a lot on the place you establish it, but yeah, that's an option.

>>41176015
>>41176171
Other spices that Finland grows in notable amounts (enough to be nearly self sufficient in them) are Parsley, and Dill. Thyme to a lesser extent.
>>41176328
We probably have some ice-cream production domestically as well, but competition is welcome to spice up the scene.
And advice depends on what exactly you are trying to set up, to what extent, and where. A company that operates in nasfaqg but is headquartered elsewhere, or a company that operates in nasfaqg and is headquatered in nasfaqg?
Go read some of the company rentries in the archives for ideas.
>>41176805
You'd probably have a number of independent traders and some trade companies. You can represent "trade deals" on a metal level too, agreeing that "There is a significant amount of trade from many independent merchant with nation X".
>>41176462
Anya-petra is colder than /who/ but to some extent I think it would make sense. I'd need to check which i dont have time for now. Potatoes and barley I think grow. Grass and hay that can be used to feed cattle and sheep also grows.
>>41176474
You can always make wine from berries other than wine grapes as well. Blackcurrant, Whitecurrant, Cloudberry,, Strawberry, Raspberry, Bilberry/European Blueberry, and Gooseberry all make for some amazing wines (often far better than grapes if you ask me), and all can be grown in Dfc climates, and grow in the wild as well.

>>41170189
>>41171145
>>41174788
Kronie!

>>41177310
Thanks Mr. Money!!! <3 Would you be willing to do a climate report for me??? and give finnish terms that fit???

>>41083251

>>41176579
>I think it was the way It was written overall and the context to me not making sense since they are threadless.
I had a feeling it was the latter since it seems as though there's been some misinformation about threads, generals, and how they fit into lore. Cultures without lore have an entire category in the archives and have been around since it was made, I'm curious as to where the idea of threadless=non existant started but I'm pretty sure it was with the provinces.
Anyways I'm open ears for anything that seems off since they can fit well into the idea of the ID empire.

>>41177675
I meant cultures without land

>>41177675
Thanks Cannyman, I will try my best to think of it. I remember Meppa having a plan already so I will get into with him about this and we can sort of get this done together.I think it is somewhat good to think of ideas for cultures without land, so long as we don't presume things that would come from the land associated with them personally.

in case anyone forgot. /meat/ has a dedicated emporium-forward island. in fact some powers dont even know the island of Namakubi is ours. if you guys want to do some proxies and offshore trading on third party grounds we'll allow it there.

bump

Early happy 1 year, world building bros!
A gift from /ybc/

>>41174788
Potatokino...
>>41181940
Birthdaykino...

If Heimin is still around, here is a map of the North Pole that shows the land in the North of your country.

>>41182574
Any ideas for a cool name for that Arctic landmass?

>>41183154
Yabathoth

>>41184669
I like it, on-theme, and kinda foreboding.

>>41182574
That's cool
Is that an island above the candy kingdom or a blotch that got stretched?
Is that island full of schizo?
Is there any lore on the "schizo" in the first place? Sorry if there is but I couldn't find any. I was wondering if they were supernatural or had the ability to cross the frozen ice like zombies. Or had to be more thoughtful or seabound in their movements. Or everything at once.

>>41182574
That's cool
Is that an island above the candy kingdom or a blotch that got stretched?
Is that landmass at the north pole full of schizo?
Is there any lore on the "schizo" in the first place? Sorry if there is but I couldn't find any. I was wondering if they were supernatural or had the ability to cross the frozen ice like zombies. Or had to be more thoughtful or seabound in their movements. Or everything at once.

>>41186867
All the islands in this are actually there. Well, not sure about the strip that is all the way at the pole, this one looks a bit weird kek. Also yeah, I think that landmass would probably be the realm of the schizos. Probably where the jannies drop most of them, far from civilization.
Ah, and we do have some schizo lore. This rentry lays out some things regarding biology: https://rentry.org/5cz4q
They are quite supernatural, compensating a lack of societal organization by being magically empowered. The Arctic schizos are probably able to sustain themselves from magical energy and the limited resources of the wastes.
The schizos also run the gamut between being mindless violent beasts, like the /rose/ Babirusa, or organized military organizations that use technology, like the /inf/ Ourobros. So, basically everything at once depending on what you want.

I miss haganon...janny hate!

>>41184669
Unironically a pretty cool name. Could be an endonym by the Schizo population.
>>41172170
You are right, its the other anon talking about lift that made me confused as to why they would want that.
Also, if you can generate lift you can also push the boat down so weight shouldnt be an issue.
>>41177388
If I get a good enough heightmap and you tell me if you have preferences for situations where there could be a tossup between two climates, yeah, I can.
>>41186867
>>41187242
Also, Trolls exist there, and Schizos utilize them sometimes. At least the Ourobros do.
>>41177385
Founder!

>>41181940
Damn, looks snazzy. Thanks, anon!

>>41173673
>>41173472
>>41173412
Starwheat is an unofficial branding. Its just wheat /nasa/ grew via starship greenhouses. Technically all of /nasa/'s crops are GMO because we cross pollinate crops artificially for genetic diversity to minimize bad genetic mutations. /nasa/'s wheat can survive colder than normal wheat because deep space is cold and heat consumes power. The problem with starwheat is like natural wheat we need good soil. So it could be a few years curating soil before we can grow wheat.

>>41173404
I think you can make grills by cementing thin steel bars in between bricks when biilding the oven. The door doesn't have to be air-tight. And the fire can be lit underneath without a tray. Sanalites will figure out how to make an oven thermometer.

>>41189475
>Also, if you can generate lift you can also push the boat down so weight shouldnt be an issue.
I'm not sure I'm understanding you here Clock, why would I want to generate a push down when gravity does that?

>>41190675
NTA, but more downward force might let you break thicker ice. Though you'd need a stronger hull accordingly.

>>41190675
More force means you can break thicker ice
just reinforce your hull a bit for that though.

>>41189795
No it very much isn't, that's why I asked.
>https://rentry.org/DeathAndBurials

Also, the ideal temp for wheat germination is 20-25°C, which just so happens to be what we would be warming up the station to for us anyway, so that point is sadly moot. I also would not want any gmos getting spread before we know their exact properties. You yourself should know why they are controversial. That's why I asked for a rentry on it. If you're gonna be using foreign ingredients from the home system, you're gonna explain their properties, and it'll be something in your field that can ease you back into writing.

>>41190732
>>41190883
I could break thicker ice but I'd also be draining more MQ because of the additional weight and possibly due to switching between two different effects. I think that would be used for a different model in deeper territory where it's guaranteed to be needed but I'm still not sure if I can't just get the same result by reinforcing the hull to be heavier and sturdier for more smash power.
>>41187242
Deadbeat, is there a timeline for the current artic expedition so that a generic timeline can be set up for the DEEP ARTIC expedition into Yabathoth to come?

>>41191274
Starwheat stays in /nasa/ then. We'll just have to pull wheat from the menu until we get a local supply.

>>41192003
The LAB was established in 1125 VTE, and began operations right away. Construction of most critical buildings was done in 1128 VTE, and the initial plan (picrel) was completed in 1131 VTE, though additional construction never stopped. By 1150 VTE, LAB expeditions have touched points of interest throughout the polar circle, though it remains mostly unexplored, due to the immense surface area. The LAB would conduct multiple expeditions in parallel, almost solely in summer, at least for higher Yabathoth exploration.
Also, looks like I forgot to archive this.
>>41083338
Archive picrel under the Luna Arctic Base Establishment Expedition (/morig/, Candy Kingdom) section, with name "LAB Layout Schematic", please and thank you.

>>41192156
As long as it is used as is described in that rentry, I fully support it being brought from Lamington. Funeral rites are an important piece of our culture afterall. And getting local suppliers I feel would be the first step anyway, before we even open the doors, right?

>>41192707
When will they reach the pole?

>>41193126
1280 VTE

>>41193177
Why? It seems like they will get it by 1160.

>>41193276
Because magical rocks and dreams don't break the physics and realities of the arctic to the point where someone can reasonably get there within this age of technology when it took the British Empire 100 years with all of the money in the world to get it.

>>41193336
Why do you hate Chuunbanite? Call it by its name anon.

>>41193379
I don't hate Chuubanite, I hate that it is seen as the greatest resource known to this world that can magically make anything possible when it is clear that is not the case. It's insulting to those who put work into it to equate it to the magical do all resource it gets treated as sometimes.

>>41192707
Hmmm, nanohodo.
Would the development of ice breakers precede these events or could it be mixed in? I followed the artic entries but there are some things like the first step onto the true artic continent and the hard trek forward into mystical ancient deadlands that I think I want to see and possibly explore.
If the offer for artic exploration stands than I believe I should like to try writing a collaborative act should you have the interest still. Artic Kronie explorer man can come too, but we should probably figure out why the guy's around and if he interacts with any nearby cultures on the way, also when he actually shows up during the process.

>>41193445

>>41193445
Anon saw the term "low fantasy" and decided to ignore that first part.

>>41193681
Anon just don't want to have fun and allow use to get to the north pole.

>>41193812
Did you not see the post where anon gave a concrete date when they are getting there?

>>41193866
I am the one who said 1160 anon. Not the asshole who thinks of 1280

>>41193917
And I agree that 1160 is unrealistic.

>>41193177
>>41193276
>>41193917
>>41193991
What's the current time in universe walnuts?

>>41194042
6:28pm on the 14th of May, why do you ask?

>>41194265
I have an appointment with your mother and I don't want to be late

>>41194385
Oh do send my regards will you? Tell her not to forget about that dentist appointment she has tommorow, that abscess has been getting pretty bad...

>>41194478
No the appointment is today and I am the dentist

I am here once again too beg for a Real dates to VTE dates conversion method

>>41194643
Oh good, she'll be in your care then. Hopefully you're not a quack, her teeth have been getting worse lately, she doesn't need a botched job.

>>41193126
The pole might have been reached prior to 1120 VTE by native people using dog sleds and such, it's pretty plausible. The people of shishilamy might have done it, for example.
>>41193489
Ice breakers are basically congruent to decently advanced ironclads starting to happen, so they're probably just a decade or two off. The first step on the arctic continent, maybe the southernmost part in the sea /luna/ has access to would have happened prior to the establishment of LAB, again by natives from the northern holocontinent, it's only around the 75th parallel. But the LAB itself could make this step pretty soon I think, might be one of the first really serious ventures.
Just a note, the Arctic Kronie explorer man's adventure unfolds in the 1150s, so a few decades in the future.
>>41194756
Use the quick calculation cell on the timeline sheet in the anchor. You'll need to copy the sheet.

>>41194838
>75th parallel
What does this mean?

>>41195351
75 degrees N of latitude.

>>41194838
>prior
Did this happen irl?

>>41195680
Plausibly. It's been demonstrated to have been doable with equipment for the period, and natives have been there for thousands of years. Could see Inuits tracking a bear up there, or just exploring for the hell of it. Oral tradition means there would be no records of something like that though.

I tried baking
>>41196107

>>41194838
>The people of shishilamy might have done it, for example.
Honestly that's pretty much a confirm now that I think about it...
Well we could probably still play it off as the first ROYAL exploration, the Candy Kingdom would eat it up and it'd be a triumph for followers of Pink Womanism everywhere. We also could develop non chuubanite "not really ice breakers but better than absolutely not ice breaker" russian ships that we can use to make trade with ppt easier, set up a few trade posts off, possibly using the Festival Luna island as a trade harbor. I assume those would be much quicker to make compared to them.
>>41195839
Oi don't give this schmuck noise! He's ignoring the fact that I literally grow snickers bars from the ground and that in addition to magic rocks, we have giant tech monstrosities sitting around in the artic too.