/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

botted numbers

>>29792383
I really hope that this rm doesnt need to be a secret thing is not a widespread sentiment among the nijien community since i would actually feel bad for her if they try to shift in that direction since she supposedly went to great lengths to try and lose that schizo

>>29791406
>If you wanna help, can you list all the VOD views for Tempus/Iluna in this format:
>>29791508
>Also, if you do wanna help by listing the vod views, maybe tell me in advance so I can work on the data for them ahead of time

The number of streams is small enough that I can simply turn one of the scrapers on google's direction and check the current VOD but the fact there are too few makes it an unreliable experiment.

I'll likely do it but for a larger sample size, maybe the 261 streams I have on record, between June 1st and July 31st, with the peak between 5k and 5.5k. Checking if, for a similar CCV; the number of VOD views growth with the length of the stream would be trivial then.

I could then expand it to an even larger sample if there is any conclusion to be had

Hololive won on all three fronts today.
2022 is another year for Hololive.

Do you think we'll see a NijiKR resurgence in the near future? Iluna has cornered that market at record speeds and it'll put a lot of Korean eyes on Nijisanji in the near future. I hope Riku takes advantage of this and debuts another KR wave soon.

what is this

>>29792656
>I hope Riku takes advantage of this and debuts another KR wave soon.
Me too, this type of delicious despair can't be bought or sold, only given for free

>>29792513
>(on a board where 20% of the threads were about actual idols)
WHAT

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *
>114,404: Miko (Hololive)
>71,833: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>41,478: Marine (Hololive)
>39,156: Lize (Nijisanji)
>37,470: Tsukasa (Indie)
>32,235: Korone (Hololive)
>31,597: Hayato (Nijisanji)
>30,701: Lamy (Hololive)
>28,079: Toya (Nijisanji)
>21,205: Toya (Nijisanji)
>20,396: Salome (Nijisanji)
>16,811: Botan (Hololive)
>15,778: Miko (Hololive)
>14,554: Mio (Hololive)
>14,146: Mumei (Hololive)
>12,400: Reid (Neo Porte)
>12,233: Chloe (Hololive)
>11,404: Watame (Hololive)
>10,106: Shu (Nijisanji)

Nice i had to look at the catalog for 30 seconds and see the jannies are worthless retards

>>29792649
I was MIA because I had a life for once, what happened aside from Miko taking gold?

>>29792626
>rm doesnt need to be a secret thing is not a widespread sentiment among the nijien community
It's clearly not, as evidenced by Ren and the fact that the fanbase hides out in a fucking doxxden

>>29792383
I have a different view on the matter, Nijifags were already bitter assholes back in 2019 and didn't give a fuck about anything and anyone but 2324.

>>29792712
hownew.ru

>>29792712
Wut? You never been to JP?

>>29792716
King streamed for significantly longer than Miko. He had more total viewers.

>>29792716

>>29792656
Correct, Hololive already cornered the KR market.
Why is Hololive so powerful?

>>29792712
...have you never actually been on /jp/ anon?
It's a mix of dead 2hu image dumps, idol/gravure/seiyuu threads, JAV, and the vtuber generals that bump everything else off constantly and make all the oldfags angry

>>29792716
>>29792806

>>29792812
Hololive has absolutely no presence in Korea. They're barely known anywhere in Asia.

is live a live a good game?

>>29792626
I think stuff like /b/omu mind broke them so hard they've over corrected in the opposite direction to where doxxes don't matter and are no big deal

>>29792638
This is the way i'm formatting it currently, if you wanna take over

formulas:
>Time:
=(hours*60)+minutes
>Vod/CCV
>Vod/CCV (lmao)

If you just wanna word vomit data, you can use pastebin and ill continue

>>29792656
>I hope Riku takes advantage of this and debuts another KR wave soon.
I doubt it, both them and ID are hidden away until they all disappear or he gets another bright idea to rebrand them

nijiID and nijiKR are dead, nijisanji just put them in a corner to rot or graduate since terminating them a la IN would be bad optics again

>>29792656
Maybe they should make and ID branch! I'm sure with the reach that Nijisanji has, they'll surely be able to penetrate that market and will be successful, ID after all is a large emerging market so Nijisanji can spread their influence there and be more renowned globally, ACCELERATE!

>>29792866
Why the fuk did they do the Korean cafe collab with holoEN then? First expansion is a cafe collab?

This retarded ongoing nijisanji vs hololive shit has mindbroken the board and dragged down the quality of every single thread one way or the other.

>>29792656
are you the same anon that didn't know who luknights were?

>>29792920
ID and KR have been inclining recently though. KR had a stroke of luck when Salome signal boosted Nari Yang and now they're going mainstream thanks to Iluna's popularity in Korea. ID has been growing consistently since the merge too.

>>29792896
It happened way before that with the surge of fujos that didn't give a fuck and i can even be argued to have happened even before that with westerners that went around and bragged about "muh secrit knowledge"

>>29792866
Wow, Hololive presence in Korea is undoubtably the strongest. How do they do it?

>>29792989
What can you do when it's an All Out War...

>>29792969
They could try spreading in another region, like India.

>>29792656
Is Riku the ultimate decision maker in Niji? Was he the one behind the decision to axe KR and the other branches?

>>29792986
Nijisanji had a Korean branch long before Cover even got to do anything in the country.

>>29792866
Meanwhile, on Kaela's stream today,

>>29792787
>>29792896
well if that does happen anons whove been posting about mito graduating might actually be prophets since i dont think she wants to deal with that again

>>29792902
for example, Axel, from tempus

>videoID, video_lenght, views, title
vCB2gAYZlZM PT52M53S 50549 【TEMPUS】Time for some TEMPUS nihongo jouzu session #1
reVA52t4hcU PT54M43S 31609 【Just Chatting】I like talking but don't like listening
APKsXXU7rgM PT1H7M29S 28022 【Xenoblade Chronicles 3】Time to start a new adventure!
4OWnMFcP1V0 PT1H1M45S 48105 【雑談配信】一方的に俺の話を聞かされるだけの配信。
syQ4tJCMceI PT1H14M48S 51033 【Chivalry II】POV: Not so isekai anymore
Z1Qc8QMO_pQ PT59M20S 98054 【APEX】THE BOYS.
rP1n_YcHX7E PT51M42S 83191 【Escape Simulator】My INT ain't actually that bad
UvSKHYzB82M PT2M15S 299855 酔いどれ知らず (Yoidore Shirazu) / Covered by Axel Syrios【歌ってみた】
JRTOfhbdbn0 PT47M57S 298386 【DEBUT STREAM】WASSSUPPPP ITS DEBUT TIMEEEEE 8) #Syrios_Debut #holoTEMPUS
dVZYxWDjbXQ PT6S 29316 It's a secret, aight?
u1mEOrsBsLs PT11S 120188 Watching Yagoo-san's dream fly away

>>29793061
We need to get Fulgur to cancel the all out war...

>>29792656
Yes, surely reviving a branch they killed themselves won't piss of actual nijifans.

>>29792889
Cult classic and enjoyable. Has 7(8) different genres in it and a decent story. For numbers? Probably a debuff. You know how it is with ENfans and JRPGs.

>>29792989
Blame the ALL OUT WAR leak
and niji management

>>29792920
Fuck off midget shiller

>>29793116
Will the final "mito_worried" feature herself?

What the fuck holoEN is actually streaming today

>>29793068
Such a wonderful idea, I mean India does have about 1.38B people, surely Nijisanji will be able to create a market there, oh I know, why not integrate them with EN since they'll have far more reach, man, Riku sure is a smart cookie

>>29793086
Cover is already everywhere in Korea. How is Cover so powerful?

>>29793196
its either that or her anti finding out where she lives and we see a news about the 1st vtuber getting killed by her stalker

>>29793136
I think the formats good, I can import it into excellibreoffice with no problem, but it includes non streams like the 12 second videos and songs. I just want streams. Is there a way to exclude them? I suppose I could just exclude ones shorter than 10 minutes from the list

>>29793114
>88k yen
almost nothing. am i supposed to be impressed?

didn't we have this same shitposting loop like 4 hours ago

>>29792920
>merge ID with JP
>doesn't give any merch for their birthday
>still take a cut from fan made merch
black company etc etc

>>29792787
To this day im fucking baffled people just treat that place as another discussion place. Wild

>>29793210
They always do this shit. Do no streams and then randomly one day its like half of them in a chain. Expect Gura to stream too and of course debuffson won't miss a day like this.

>>29793210
they stream everyday

>>29792989
not just this board its actually been pretty hostile even outside here due to that all out war thing thats why unityfags are always seething about that

>>29793275
dumbass

>>29793210
They're scared of Iluna. NijiEN has been gaining a lot of mindshare lately and people are starting to forget about Hololive. That's what happens when you only release one wave per year.

>>29793073
The guy responsible for much of their historical decision making now works at vshojo, the winding down of KR/ID happened after he got moved out of that role

>>29792989
All Out War

You Nijikeks wanted this

>>29793264
alright, which channels do you want

>>29793275
Please be nice that's like a year salary for indogs

>>29793363
>and other stupid things Nijiniggers say

So the strategy here is saying the most retarded and easily disproven things for easy (you)s correct?

>>29793363
why do you do it? don't you ever get bored of pretending to be retarded day in day out

>>29792904
>New branch: NijiGlobal
>ACCELERATE throughout the world across all regions, language, and BORDERS

>>29793411
If you're going to use pastebin, might as well drop as much data as you can across all streams. If possible, all of HoloJP, ID, and EN, and all of NijiJP, (inc ID/KR) and EN please and thanks

>>29793502
yes just make sure it makes Nijisanji look worse

>>29792889
Meme game. Popular in japan because of the perceived cuckshit and popular in the west because no official tl (until now)

>>29793275
Is this a shitpost or are you seriously that retarded?

>>29793502
>>29793561
its to shit up the thread so much that it dies the discordfags already admitted to it in the past couple of threads

So, how long until one of the new Nijis does a zhang pandering stream?

So I tracked Leos' 3D debut VOD numbers since it had a massive Z.
The Youtube verification algo culled about 20k views from his VOD.
Totally normal ratio though (2%) since the VOD is so big.

>>29792656
>Do you think we'll see a NijiKR resurgence in the near future?
Yes, Riku, please relaunch niji KR
Your honor demands it

>>29793618
they tried that with genshin and it didnt work
Maria could do one if her chinese is good enough

>>29793524
So Holo is Cipher in this case?

>>29793690
no hololive is razgriz

>>29793363
Nice falsefagging Holochad

>>29793535
bro, hololive alone has 37k videos, gonna give you iluna and tempus for now

>>29793690

>>29793210
holoEN seems to stream in waves, a lot of their events seem to be almost full branch events(well, hard to avoid this with only 2 gens) so they all end up too busy to stream, then they all stream because they feel like they haven't been streaming enough, and then the next event rolls up and they are all too busy again. We just had a trough because of sana's graduation, and we'll probably get another one around crunchy expo.

If the stars are mostly excluded from branch-wide events, then that might smooth this out some, but this is mostly just a natural weakness of not accelerating.

>>29793535
Also, this is the existing data for Iluna/Tempus:
Shows VOD/CCV vs Time streamed (m), correlation is really inconsistent (obviously since theres a really small sample size)
>>29793745
Give me the last month of HoloJP,ID,EN and NijiJP, EN? I already did Iluna/Tempus by hand

>>29793524
>>29793690
>>29793727
>>29793804
Do you guys like... Orange?

>insult philippinoes
>shitposting in global stops
Thank Christ philippinoes are too retarded to get into Hololive
>inb4 warned again
kys Nijisanjeet jannies

Would Hololive be in a better position if the Reddit Dragon didn't anger China? They lost so many game perms because of that and they never really recovered. It's still the biggest yab in the industry to this day.

>>29793825
and debuts filtered out

>>29792755
New NijiEN yab, another -1% to collabs ever happening, and another -1 to NijiEN reputation.

>>29793880
>Thank Christ philippinoes are too retarded to get into Hololive
you do know that one of those vocal nousagis and his clique is a flip right?

I legitimately believe Cover could do something as retarded as launching a Niji IN (EN)(IN) branch and it would still be successful.

>>29793618
one of them is a literal zhang, so not long i would guess

>>29793524
> Global
Reminded me of this old ass collab kek : https://youtu.be/kVnUHnz8mcc
First and last time I saw someone from HoloCN.

>>29793881
No, because the drama was intentionally fanned by bilibili so they could replace hololive with their domestic competitor, as happens to literally every successful foreign business in China eventually
If it wasn't the Taiwan mention it would have been something else

>>29793871
"You are a slave to history"
"Even after the greatest yab you fight against the only one who can save your numbers"
"You are solely responsible for this, Nijisanji"

>>29793989
Wouldn't surprise me, but no way in hell would i trust those streetshitters to be even a slight improvement over the current seadogs.

>>29793275
Special

>>29792712
love this board man, newfags literally glow in the dark

So, what's the strategy here for the Myth girls that can no longer pull good number regardless of streaming hours or contents? Mori and Ame seem to be unable to pull themselves by the bootstrap any more.

>>29794202
I'm not going to help you omegay

>>29793989
But will the audience redeem or not? that's the real question here...

>>29792796
I mean yeah, but being on /jp/ the insistence on reps, calling everyone EOPs and general shitting on newfags was already part of the culture, I don't think Nijisanji had much to do with it.

>>29794202
well mori and ame haven streamed anything buff in months
so i first would wait for mori rust shanenigans and more JP colabs

>>29794202
Mori is simply in the Aqua Zone where she's too busy being a musician to do streams anyone cares about
Ame just did a 3D tech demo stream disguised as a superchat reading because she actively wants to filter people

>>29794202
>Mori and Ame seem to be unable to pull themselves by the bootstrap any more.
Sounds like they should improve themselves honestly, Ame is taking flaky to a whole new level and i can see ven some devoted teammates getting kinda tired of the whole "do nothing for a long while and suddenly do something completely new and creative"

>>29792989
Eh not really imo.
When shit like this happens, the dramafags are usually on the catalog threads.
this actually improves the thread quality in a HUGE way (as you can see on this thread, on the NijiEN general, hlgg and the assorted generals).
Unless it's an actual graduation or suspension, yabs like this will mostly stay on the catalog. Sure this thread will weigh in on it for maybe 30 mins or so but after that we can discuss numbers in peace.

>>29794075
It's also worth remembering that other Holos were caught saying Taiwan to no consequences (Aqua and Haato), and Haato was literally right there next to Coco but barely received any consequences. Also, Kson receives almost none of the harassment Coco got, while Fubuki's still getting hounded for something I bet half the fanbase is too new to even know happened.

>>29793881
No

I refuse to believe that these people who post about how Nijisanji is a great company unironically believe at everything they say. It's so blatant you can't take them seriously!

>>29794202
Mori only needs to focus on her music, streaming isn't a priority for her
Ame needs to get the Gura buff back, some yuribait on 3D should do the trick

The Luna of Nijisanji.

>>29794436
>Fubuki's still getting hounded
This is probably what pisses me of the most about this whole thing

>>29794469
That's how you know they're not a real Niji fan.
Actual niji fans hate the company even more than holofans, but they just love their oshi and their friends more.

>>29794202
None of them try to get CCV numbers so any strategy is a waste of energy on whoever types it.
The easiest strategy is always the most applicable: consistent schedule/timeslot, minecraft. There.

>>29794063
Wait what the fuck Coco collabed with the Librarian? This was from June 2020, huh. Guess I wasnt too into Subaru back then. I mostly watched Chammers, FBK, Luna, Ayame(I know, lmao) and Okayu, and funnily enough, Civia when she was allowed onto youtube since she was in Canada at the time. Interesting piece of Chuuba history right here.

It's been a week since Tempus and Iluna debuted, at this point it should be safe to say that debut buffs are officially over.

>>29794202
I don't think it matters for Mori. She has her music and it's probably better for her to focus on that anyway. Ame needs to be consistent. Consistency is like the number 1 thing you should be doing as a streamer if you want to see growth.

>>29793812
>ACCELsanji is way too fast
>Hollowlive is way too slow
I just want a balance. Myth carried for a fucking year ffs

>>29794475
>Ame needs to get the Gura buff back, some yuribait on 3D should do the trick
Even yuri is not that powerful.

Is nijiEN immune to yabs. I feel like if bomu happened on holoen itd unironically be over but bomu just kinda blew over after a week

>>29794202
All of them should have sex (with me)

>>29794469
I believe that they exist, but they are solely NijiEN fans that can't comprehend that you and your chuubas are allowed to shit on the company from time to time no matter how "good" you feel they are

>>29794261
What you're describing only happened in early /hlg/, /vyt/ was only gatekeeping for the sake of elitist gatekeeping.

>>29794580
Less unicorns

>>29794469
I was being sarcastic anon, I'm not sure if I made it obvious enough

>>29794502
it's just 1 dude with spambot tools. He can't even spam multi-live chats as they did with Coco.

>>29794580
No one really cares about them to the same degree or level

If IRyS doesn't hit 10k ccv on her first solo stream in 2 weeks is it safe to say she's a flop?

>>29794202
let me have sex with them, i will fix them

>>29794580
kiara (500,000 yen woman) has literally done WAY worse and nothing happened either

>>29794469
I think half of those posts here are ironic. But we've seen the youtube comment section and it's the same kind of message so I'm not so sure anymore.

>>29794580
No one cares about nijis so that is a good thing when yabs happens

>>29794202
Mori really wants to play RUST but keeps getting cucked the fuck out of it due to things falling through, like the server resetting and her music stuffs. Doesnt help she has this weird autism right now about wanting to finish a back log of games up too.

>>29794502
I mean...she deserves it. If anything she should have graduated instead of Coco because while Coco didn't do anything wrong deliberately, Fubuki was stupid enough to fan the flames on purpose. She fucked over Aqua and the rest of her colleagues just for a few cheap political points.

>>29794679
What is the opinion of Kiara in your split? For some reason nijiniggers loves bringing her up to deflect away from Pomu

>>29794564
I feel Tempus might still have saviorfag buffs

>>29794568
Well, I didnt follow all of them to know but Ame has a really bad consistency? I see her streaming here and there but never pay attention to the time or consistency.

>>29794564
everybody knows holo debut buffs long for at least 3 months

>>29794202
Resign, troon

>>29794580
Management doesn't care about females yabs in NijiEN, they lose nothing, they might even be happy if it led to a graduation

>>29794745
yellow bugman fingers typed this post

>>29794800
I wonder what a graduation in NiiEN would even have for numbers

>>29792638
>>29792902
>>29793825
>>29793924
to finish this saga, no, vid length doesn't influence vod views. Not for Kuzuha, not for Iluna, not for Tempus. Biggest smoking gun is Kyo (24 mins and 70k CCV) has more than Magni (52 mins and 44k CCV). If less time streaming = less views then why did this happen

>>29794745

>>29794745
I hope you lost your money with the recent bank scam.

>>29794502
Truly, the only thing america did wrong is not letting Macarthur turn china into a glowing crater when they had the chance

>>29794580
>yab immunity
That is the power of #1 vtubing company. COVERkeks can't even

>>29794790
That doesn't apply to Stars

>>29794625
Anon it doesn't work when there are unironic nijifans who post the same shit /here/ and elsewhere.
It's like that one satire site that shut down because irl headlines were becoming far more clowny and so there wasn't much they could sarcastically shitpost about.

>>29794751
I think she's done some pretty whorish/slutty things (not the pics etc) and endured so many evil things from the idol industry that I have to respect her for not killing herself by now. But as a streamer? No opinion whatsoever, kinda boring desu

>>29794679
Kiara's shit you have to dig around through obscure japanese idol posts or reposters to find anything. It's not as evident to the uniniciated as a /b/ slut nude

>>29794790
try 6. Holo numbers aren't legit until at least half a year. It's only fair.

>>29794559
Around 40% of Holo history is buried thanks to the Holocaust, but some stuff like this is still there on their channels.
Sorting by "old" gives a bunch of good content, and some dedicated clippers have even taken to clipping old content when their oshis go on a break.

>>29794839
I would say 50-75k for a less popular one, maybe 100-125k for a popular one, and 175k for vox

Can you imagine being stuck on a raft for 7 hours as a 3view while being in the top 5 for most subbed Niji females?

I think Hololive has a good opportunity to go big if they do a KR branch.

Right now, the KR streamer scene is having issues. A lot of the old guard of streamers are getting old and their content is getting stale. The surge of vtuber content has been taking over their mindshare for awhile now, not just Hololive. Vtubing in general.

Another thing to mention is that the current vtuber clipping meta is taking advantage of a strategy KR streamers would employ a lot. Streaming on Twitch, and clipping those streams to youtube to double dip. The previous KR pngtuber cabal used that from 2017 to basically corner the Twitch to youtube pipeline, but Vtuber clips are eating into that strategy by playing the algorithm to their advantage.

In the local scene right now, there's already argument starting to form between content direction, whether or not the scene should move in the JP-style or more KR-style of streaming. This distinction will be important going forward I think.

Basically there's an opportunity to take advantage of the shifts happening in the KR streaming scene, and insert Hololive into the scene without much resistance, since the scene there is still trying to acclimate to the introduction of vtubers as a concept. The local resistance isn't much to stop a Hololive drive into the market as it is right now, and will be for some time. As always though, this opportunity to enter the market will stiffen as the local scene gets built up without any outside factors (Hololive, Nijisanji, etc.), where it will be difficult to enter. I think the opportunity will stay open for another year.

>>29794745
Hi bug

>>29794892
what are these clowns even talking about??
Subaru, Ui and Maimoto was in a stream together a few weeks ago, VSPO recently collab with Lapu/Robo, Marine talking to Toko and other NijiJPs just the other day. Do they even watch JP?

>>29794745
guaranteed (you)

>>29794995
was she always a 3view? how she got so many subs?

>>29795033
Iluna is cornering the market in Korea right now. There's no place for Holo.

>>29794933
both are equally easy to find, but Pomu was 14, and Kiara was 18-24, and supposedly had a developed brain

>>29794729
Rust buff doesn't work in EN

>>29794469
anon ive seen the same message in yt comments from actual nijisanji fans so i would not doubt that some of them actually believe that

>>29795085
>Do they even watch JP?
No they don't and they most likely never will

>>29795118
Iluna is doing jack shit in Korea. Even fucking Shylily some random Twitch indie is doing better than Iluna in Korea.

>>29794892
The post in that image from Uzumaki Spiral literally reads like the nijinigger copypastas lmao

>>29794780
I mean, recently she ditched two days of scheduled streams in order to assemble mocap setup which fell victim to usual HoloEN scuff.
I don't think anyone actually follows her schedule anymore, even clippers don't, judging by her performance.

>>29792902
>>29793136
>>29794843
Here is what I got, for a sample of 253 streams,. all between 5k and 5.5k average to normalize for the live viewership.

Pic related has the linear regression over the points, and the file is at this location
https://files.catbox.moe/vozzz5.csv

Without eiminating the outliers it has close to a 30% correlation. Not big but not insignificant

>>29794580
I mean, Mori is a good counterexample. Holofans would just treat them as not part of the group and pretend their fans don't exist, but they'd still have some dedicated fans.
The thing with NijiEN is that they are going the route of "death by a thousand yabs" instead of one BIG yab, like the Connor saga or the Gura party thing.
It doesn't really have precedence, but every time one of these yabs escapes containment, every time some schizo spergs on the holo sub nijibegging, every time someone starts diverting attention of holo topics into nijisanji, you can feel those minor -1 debuffs happening to their reputation.

Their fans won't notice this because they're braindead normalfags or Chinese (but I repeat myself), but this will filter a lot of the "general" and "unityfag" audience that wants to support everyone.
That's not really a path they want to go down on, in the long run.

>>29795118
I agree, Luna's cuteness is concerning for gooks

Should we replace the Sana line with the Ren line and only ackowledge HoloENs that pass it?

>>29795118
Where's the source of this information anon? I only see it being spilled across without substancial proof.

>>29795128
will do if she plays on jp time

>>29794580
Has to do with relevance. Hololive is the gold standard of the industry so they have a lot more eyes on them. Niji is pretty small time and irrelevant all things considered.

>>29795085
not to mention tamaki, or okayu and shiina's show, or matsuri calling to mayu's totsu or shion doing songs with hoshikawa

>>29794843
because you're comparing way too different types of content for each stream. It just not 1:1 because shit like events, collabs, lag, overlap, time of start and any other shit will affect it. But the general trend is there.

>>29795232

>>29795085
they're talking about EN, and even then, EN has collabed with outsiders besides fucking ironmouse. the problem with these people is they don't realize most holos join hololive to interact with hololive and could not care less about outsiders. to them it is unthinkable that Gawr Gura isn't collabing outside HoloEN every week, it must be the management

>>29795211
You can make it the Kyo or Aia line if you want.

>>29794892
These all read like children with no life experience

>Janny warning me that my post telling nijifriends in another thread about how hiding you rm is good for a vtuber and citing Mito's stalking as an example is somehow considered trolling
surely the new jannies didnt just start watching vtubers right?

>>29794843
>>29795203
Here is the same, removing some of the outliers. The correlation gets weaker but it's exactly the outliers that people point out (1 hr streams vs 4 hr streams, for instance)

>>29795085
Only EN exist.
>Kuzuha who
>Mito who

Also Hizuki Yui of Neo-Porte gen1 was in that collab as well. Holo-VSPO-NewDoor.

>>29794962
Is there an updated tracker somewhere with what's still missing at the moment?
so much kino still gone. https://files.catbox.moe/v3gzav.mp4

>>29795313
I guess the new nijijanny isn't even an old nijinigger but one of the new ones that NijiEN dragged in

>>29794892
I really am amazed at the schizophrenia these people have to dream up a completely imaginary "agency cold war" out of thin air, complete with totally imaginary motivations and examples, and actually believe in it en masse

>>29795203
R^2 0.2974 is literally COMPLETELY insignificant. Don't let the direction of the trendline fool you, thats a rectangle. Great data btw, I wonder what else we could compile with that

>>29795033
Damn, if Shylily has this good views then I cant imagine what Gura has on the KR clipping scenes, if she does have them.

>>29794580
What's been their "big" yab anyway?
Hololive had
> Holocaust
> Aloe
> Coco/Chama suspensions
> China schizo arc
> Coco Graduation
> Rushia graduation.
As big yabs. NijiJP had nippleman and Mayuzumi graduation I guess.

What big yab has NijiEN had so far?

>>29795375
>out of thin air
I wouldn't say that

CCV aside, the Studio De Ame seems like an incredible resource to have for HoloEN, or at least, the NA girls. The stealth tech demo Ame did during her superchat reading was really smooth.

How hard would it be for someone to set something similar up in Indonesia, Australia, or in... wherever is central for NijiEN/vShoujo? Is the barrier money or is it technical expertise? Is it super out of reach of the indies?

>>29795395
Remember the amongus mod kerfluffle?

>>29794821
>>29794846
>>29794872
>>29795077
>>29795106
No refutation and going straight for the ad hom. Can you counter my statement?
Also I'm American.

>>29794843
>>29795203
>>29795336
Now, this is a random assortment of streams from various companies with different levels of exposure

Look at what happens when I leave only the streams from NijisanjiJP
>pic related
the R2 baloons to almost 0.44

>>29795336
>>29795203
Again, really awesome data compilation, but you can't honestly tell me that 0.162 would mean anything at all.

>>29795033
To add to this, the moment the Korean streaming scene is able to adjust to vtubers and start creating "KR-style" vtubing that's more palatable to their own tastes, I predict there'll be less Koreans looking at foreign chuubas. Now I don't think it will happen all at once. But when it does happen, from there the clock will be ticking on how long foreign vtubers will be able to hold the KR audience's attention.

>>29795118
Tell me anon, what happened to NijiKR?

>>29795442
iirc Reine is in the process of setting up something similar in Indoland for HoloID. Bae's doomed though

>>29794892
like streamers, like fans

>>29795455
>Also I'm American.
Sure you are

>>29795395
an actual yab? none so far but a post some anon maybe a month or 2 ago explains why it would be deadly for an actual yab to happen

>>29795455
For the newfags watching, this is why Fubuki will always be beyond reproach, and if ANYONE is shitting on her it's always a zhang.

>>29795488
Are straya -> indonesia visas easy to get? maybe that would be an option for Bae.

>>29795395
>What big yab has NijiEN had so far?
The closest one is probably Vox and his fanbase in general, but i would almost argue that it's the entire branch that just keeps doing small weird yabs that would be easily prevented if they had a modicum of professionalism

>>29795396
Gura is popular for sure, but doesn't have dedicated fans like Kiara or Baelz.

>>29795442
Is it confirmed that the studio is hers? Last I heard she couldn't get in the studio and Omegay was taking credit for EN accomplishments yet again. I need sources to quell the voices onegai

I just wanna see Kronii do a Korean only stream in KR primetime and see how it goes.

>>29795235
Japs don't watch mori

>>29795465
https://condor.depaul.edu/sjost/it223/documents/correlation.htm
give this a quick read

I love that we're actually talking about /#/ in a sea of phillipinos arguing about Z curves and roommate shit

Did Ren really fucking @ Mumei? That's embarassing. Reminds me of that Niji who replied to Suisei and almost got crucified.

>>29794843
Can you do this with only streams from the same streamer? I firmly believe that Niji streams get more tourists who drop in on a stream and leave, so mixing Holo and Niji streams would hide that trend.

>>29795596
5k

>>29795596
>KR primetime
She's sleeping

>>29795395
Also that graduation spree that trended on jp twitter and that thing with mayuzumi and his chinese fans not being informed of his graduation

>>29795033
I think the Myth Korea Cafe was an attempt to gauge how "real" the Korean audience is.
And that blew through all expectations.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Cover opening auditions for a KR branch in a couple of months.

>>29795544
Pretty sure you can just walk in to Indonesia with a passport. Most of SEA is like that.

Every time a holo posts on the subreddit it goes to the high heavens

>>29795642
I did here:
>>29793825
It's Iluna above, and Tempus below

>>29795579
Studio is hers and it was emma that assisted her not omega

>>29795639
Who else can they try to leech off of? Everyone knows Ina and Gura won’t bite, Mumei is the next one down the line.

>>29795085
Anon, do you think they have any shred of a clue that NijisanjiJP exists? All these """people""" saw was nijisanji english and thought "Hey this is a good opportunity to shitpost against Hololive!""" Why do you think theyre so insufferable? Plus their minds are so poisoned on the whole collab thing. They watch a few American Twitch streamers and YouTube content creators that collab with each other frequently and think thats what the norm should be for Hololive and piss their pants that twitter interactions dont correlate to stream collabs.

>>29795639
>Reminds me of that Niji who replied to Suisei and almost got crucified.
Who was that?

>>29795525
This is the reason Fubuki is one, if not, the most based Chubba out there.

>>29795395
how could you mention big yabs for nijijp and not mention volleyball offpako or meiro/roa

>>29795672
so 3-5 girls?

>>29794790
Salami is still reclining. Her debut buff is still active.

>>29795189
Exactly. That's why "sarcastically" posting shit like that doesn't work anymore, everyone will simply think you're a genuine nijifag.

On the other hand, posting shit like this about Hololive will INSTANTLY out you as a falseflagger, since Holofans tend to only shill when there's actual context to do so (shilling on /v/ when Aqua got a game, shilling holoearth on /v/, explaining who Subaru is under every Dancing Duck meme etc.).

>>29795781
What's even the point of trying to leech from female fanbases? They won't get shit. Easy example: mori has millions of subs and will interact with you if you interact with her on twitter, niji or not. Yet no one can leech shit from her because her fanbase will go "haha nice" then proceed not to watch you.

>>29795781
surprised he didnt tweet to the most obvious one mori

>>29795596
She and Ina are part of the problem the expansion into KR isn't fully complete. Just like all Koreans that leave Korea, they usually do so because of dissatisfaction for whatever reason, usually lots of self-hatred, but it can be any reason. Additionally, Kronii specifically is not a good fit for the KR audience. That genderspecial/feminist shit is something that the KR audience dislike, especially the KR audience watching Hololive, who specifically watch Hololive to escape that shit. Unfortunately, it's an inescapable part of Kronii, and if more people in KR were made aware of it, the yab potential could be infinite. Clock is aware of this though, which is why she avoids speaking the language to begin with.

>>29795307
NijiEN audience in a nutshell.
Holo ojisans all going "kids these days".

>>29795384
>>29795479
>>29795638
>COMPLETELY insignificant.
Come on, there are obviously a whole more stronger signal with regards to VOD views than duration, it will never be the predominant factor SPECIALLY in a site like Youtube where their algorithm clearly tips the scales for no reason other than a black box of AI powered algorithm.

See >>29795465 for what happens when I start controlling for some of these factors. For instance, by filtering only NijisanjiJP I more or less controlled for
>Number of subscribers
because that's one of the factors that affects the number of VOD views for a video.

I likely have the data to do a much more controlled experiment controlling for average CCV, number of subscribers, subject of the video (with ASMR having a repeat view value that, for instance, an talking stream lacks), age ofo the video (with videos released two months ago having more time to get VOD views) and this correlation would just increase.

>>29795525
>Strongarming Cover into dropping the entirity of China and fucking over all their fans despite the fact that most of them did nothing wrong is somehow a good thing.
Dogfuckers really believe this shit. Luxiem and Nijisanji in general taking over the Chinese market only highlights what a mistake it was to abandon it. Literally all Fubuki had to do was shut the fuck up and let Coco take her time out or graduate (which she did by herself anyway, funnily enough). Instead she did something stupid because she felt like she was bigger than the company.
This is worse than Rushia not waiting out her discord yab and she rightfully gets shit on for that. Why do people defend Fubuki for not waiting things out like she should have?

>>29795739
This cute tard..

>>29795739
Aside from Watame and her short. Posting her short there too frequently causing her to loose the rarity buff.

>>29795639
Well he's a fucking emo boomer

>>29795359
https://hololive.jetri.co/#/status
Jetri still works.

>>29795336
>linear
anon its clear that the function is not linear, the more they stream, the fewer new viewers they can get per minute of w/e, because of loss of interest, missing the start, going into dead hours, etc
>but what type of function is that then
dont ask me lol

>>29795639
Well I mean they knew each other before Hololive so I understand where he's coming from but at the same time... come on man..

>>29795781
He knows Mumei from her PL presumably, this is something even more retarded than leeching.

>>29795992
>the fewer new viewers they can get per minute of w/e, because of loss of interest, missing the start, going into dead hours, etc
This is about VOD views, not VOD views during the live stream.

>>29795672
Yeah, but why do they use the Myth girls anyway? Why not just use the usual heavy hitters from JP branch. If that attempt didnt have high expectations they might not consider the KR audience while the audience is indeed big, but for the JP girls instead.

>>29796002
I thought it was his gf and not him? or did he also go in the same circles as mumei?

>>29795525
Are you telling me that the one based thing i like about Coco is in reality because of Fubuki?

>>29795894
Anon, I think you need to try making at least a few friends

daily reminder mori is better than marine because she has more subs, im not mentioning gura due pity

>>29796002
And people stated mumei liked a comment about his song getting 500k views but I didn’t see shit

>>29795510
The first big graduation will likely be the start of something.

>>29796100
>Yeah, but why do they use the Myth girls anyway? Why not just use the usual heavy hitters from JP branch
Global recognition anon that and no matter how much this thread denies it sponsor look at subs more than ccv

>>29796102
Apparently she liked his tweets or someshit with her PL, i'm not sure what since i'm not interested in that sorta thing.

>>29795894
Two years later, nijinigs and zhangs still can't understand the real importance of what she did

>>29795881
Subscribers shouldn't even be a factor since you're only pulling CCV of 5-5.5k. 0.162 R^2 is insignificant by all metrics and sciences, if you cut the data down to a certain group and metric, of course it's going to get larger or smaller. Just by basic logic, if NijiJP has a value of 0.4, then theres a different metric with a R^2 of 0.05, you just didnt choose it. It's the sharpshooters fallacy. In my opinion, the only data that mattered was everyone compiled in total, which gave R^2 0.2974, which isn't correlatable by any listed metric. Even your widdled down data is barely notable for social sciences

>>29796110
Fubuki and Coco are not friends. It was a pure ego play by Fubuki.

>>29795672
Well they know it's real now. Problem is unlike Myth where they had Coco advocating for it, that same pressure doesn't exist in current Hololive right now. I can't see Kronii filling in for that role, and looking at Ina's own picks, I doubt whether or not she would even be able to tell what candidates would be good or not.

Also the longer they stall, the less opportunity there will be. Again, the current situation is massively advantageous for COVER with both KR streamers in a rut and the algorithm behind their back. Waiting for too long to make a move might make them lose their momentum if the KR streaming market is able to adjust before COVER makes a move.

>>29796087
the bulk of their total VOD views comes exactly from the live part, anyways theres no way of telling the behaviour of a late vod watcher, if thats what youre trying to say then i agree

>>29796131
her rm/pl account supposedly did but i dont wanna dig through that stuff

>>29796155
JP is in recession.
HoloEN is bringing capital infusion with their USD while HoloJP is just laundering their domestic JPY.

Interestingly enough, Mumei only follows one non-Holostars male vtuber. Anyone want to take any guesses? Don't guess if you already know.

Yet another Faumei collab today?

>another Coco timeloop
just don't

>>29795452
I thought that was a general chuuba thing, did Niji have something specific from their end?

>>29796238
Seems that way, both have an undetermined time on their schedule for Minecraft.

>>29795781
hinting that they know each other as RM when they are not even in the same company is the dumbest move ever done and it's worse because it wasn't even a response to a tweet, he directly @ her without any previous interaction.

>>29796189
I think Kiara is actually trying to push for it, but she does not really have that much influence to make it happen.

>>29795525
the soul of hololive. fubuking, i'll support you forever.

>>29796100
>>29796155
The vtuber clipping scene really took off around the time HoloEN became a thing, so marketing focusing around that branch specifically was a good strategy.

>>29795802
I got lazy kek

>>29795672
There's no "attempt to gauge" going on, the Cafe chain approached Cover, not the other way around. It just happened to perfectly coincide with an upcoming con where Kiara/Bae are guests as well.
>>29796100
Because the Koreans they attracted prefer the EN girls.

>>29796155
EN means nothing, i don't say this, the japs do

Jezas, take a look at how many views this marine-exclusive jp clipper gets per video
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCH2IFrGEonEL7tkWKTxZz7g/videos

>>29795881
>>29796184
>Just by basic logic, if NijiJP has a value of 0.4, then theres a different metric with a R^2 of 0.05,
Here, controlling on the other direction, only streamers not from Anycolor not from Cover.
>0.4

>Subscribers shouldn't even be a factor since you're only pulling CCV of 5-5.5k.
There is absolute no correlation between number of subscribers and hitting a certain CCV threshold. In the list provided there are streamers ranging from low tens of thousands to high hundreds of thousads subs

>>29796299
yeah miko fubuki and even pekora clips really boosted them back then but gura just literally skyrocketed that scene like theres no tomorrow

>>29795811
likely 3, just like the ID branch.
might expand later if they're successful.
could also start with 4 like StarsEN if they get enough candidates.

>>29796267
Judging by me me me, she will be the one to announce HoloKR in Korea, screenshot this

>>29795945
>choco sensei

>>29795894
>>29796186

>>29796229
Tamaki Mysta?

>>29796329
in jp yeah they might be right but outside jp thats a different story

Why the fuck are all the holo girls changing their descriptions? Mumei and Bae removed the lore from theirs, it's only Kronii and Fauna who still has theirs left

>>29796394
>screenshot this
Can't be arsed, have another image instead

>>29796100
Myth is insanely popular in Korea due to clipfags, Kronii, and people who like Gura's singing.

>>29796349
This faggot is eating well, that's for sure

>>29796449
i told them to

>>29795945
how convenient marine has the least deleted in gen 3

>>29796428
Close. Shoe

>>29796359
It's because learning English is a standard part of the Korean education curriculum. Basically it's the EN Myth effect but to a much smaller scale, in that people are much more predisposed to watching streams in their own language. Same reason why Kobo took off so well.

>>29796449
this guy >>29796478 told them to change it

>>29795945
choco...

>>29795894
Dogfuckers?

>>29796478
Thank you.

>HoloEN fags stick stuck in their 2020-2021 peak delusion

>>29795639
He was just trying to give her a boost. Her numbers haven't exactly been stellar lately and Ren is at the top of the game. Her fans should be thankful.

>>29795881
Just hopping in here but I have no idea what this entire convo is. It's obvious that given all other factors held constant, a longer stream will have more VOD views just because you'll have more people who have the chance to see it. You don't even need data for it, just a simple thought experiment tells you that if you extend any given stream by an extra hour, it will get more VOD views than if it hasn't been extended.
The extent to which stream length affects Vod views is harder to calculate because there are so many factors you need to control for, I'm not confident you could make a real statistical analysis. Especially when you also need to adjust for how many people might choose to watch a VOD after the stream.
I do agree with whoever said that sub count is probably a bigger contributor than stream length, but by how much who knows.

>>29796449
Anti-Omega vs pro-Omega civil war

>>29796107
Coco was the cause, but Fubuki kickstarted the disconnection movement once it became clear that an apology would not settle them down. The other talents were simply scared and looking for guidance regarding what to do.
This move is also why there's the occasional rrat that pops up regarding Fubuki owning a big chunk of Cover stocks.

>>29796443
>outside jp
>looks at council
Sana just graduated

>>29796100
EN is very very very popular globally.

>>29796554
Based

>>29796358
You aren't "controlling" for anything anon. The question is "do views increase with the length of a vod". Company differences shouldnt influence it that much, and they don't really from your data. Yes, R2 changes if you cut people out of your equation.

>>29796561
NTA but WTF are you even babbling about?

>>29796526
i mean not much has changed since those times
non of the gura killers panned out and they one that might have a shot at her is still far away

>>29796486
I kinda feel bad for the "normal" folks like him and Ike who have to share the bad name of the NijiEN brand...

>>29796255
it specifically started because nijisanji used an amongus translation mod without asking the author and he threw a bitch fit on twitter

Nanikore

>>29796329
ok ken-sama

>>29796608
That EN means nothing, inside and outside japan

>>29796449
With Sana's graduation, Omega's lore doesn't work anymore and ultimately freeing Council from his grasps

>>29796642
>without asking the author
That sounds about right

>>29795796
It was Kaida Haru

>>29796654
>educate yourself
kekd

>>29796238
>The two most basic white girls creating their own clique
Why do they not collab with like Kiara or IRyS or Ina
Feels like it's always these two with each other and maybe adding Gura or Kronii

>>29796414
> Oh? You want to do ASMR on MY platform?

>>29796516
Heh. An old bait I pulled off in /hlg/ on /jp/ around the same time /vt/ was created and Global turds fucked off from the board. I was bored and of course, no streams, so I made up a story about how to fuck your dog without killing her because you'll accidently crush her hips if you don't hold her legs up while you fuck her. Then I posted the bait on Global and it stuck. That was a good one.

>>29796654
that finana image is by far the best piece of niji-related OC ever.

>>29795894
Kys zhang and attack taiwan already you fucking pussies , i want to enlist and bayonet you fuckers live on stream

>>29796394
>>29796267
Does Kiara even have that much sway in the company? I thought she didn't have that much influence overall.

>>29796686
I had no idea about that, what set the fanbase off about him?

>>29796654
Nice.

>>29795945
what the fuck did Luna lose?

>>29796329
No, the emphatically do not say that

>>29796527
That's so nice of him, maybe he should also save his own colleagues, starting with these livers

>>29796554
>but Fubuki kickstarted the disconnection movement
She did the absolute right thing. When she did what she did segments of the chinese fanbase had a list of demands.
>we made you and we can destroy you
>do what we demand or we'll burn the house down with ourselves inside

There is only one correct response to that. Take the megaphone, address the self-hostage takers with
>do a barrel roll
then turn 360 and walk away

Which is what Cover did, and now they're massively bigger than they were in September 2020, having made all the different they had from their main competitor and surpassed them in all possible aspects, except fo course, number of streamers.

>>29796654
stop posting in twitter /#/bros...

>>29796186
Why are bugmen incapable of understanding what friendship is?

>>29796654

>>29796699
Fauna tries to collab with IRyS but IRyS is a retard.

>>29796654
come on man, like half of those are /here/ fags

>>29796449
Omega is now the general manager of HolostarsEN and has no direct influence over the girls. I sincerely think this is true.

>>29796739
>I thought she didn't have that much influence overall.
I doubt it as i wrote earlier, but she is at least bringing it up to the ears of people who can do something about it. I'm pretty sure she even brought it up on her holotalk with Yagoo

>historical revisionism from nijiEN newfags

>>29796654
Now this is what I call All Out War. I bet it was part of new Niji hazing. Force one of the new guys to @ a Holo.

>>29796770
The entire EN branch lives in the illusion of being relevant thanks to the literal cheat code algorithm that gura has, it's all that remains

Inner...
https://twitter.com/ninomaeinanis/status/1554198278824009729?t=Rp2xGKQq2dkCwY_Nm_LNrQ&s=19

>>29796699
My rrat is that they like streaming together so they do.

>>29796733
In the kind of war we are talking about, if you actually get close enough to bayonet a chink something's gone terribly wrong

>>29796699
It's literally a Fauna problem. She takes ANY open invitation but very very rarely initiates 1 on 1 collabs herself. Mumei asks. No one else does.

>>29796790
>/#/
i actually recognize some of those handles that are playing both sides and theyre from the nest
I wonder if this was one of the juicy thing they were waiting for before releasing those vids

>>29796850
And other hilarious jokes nijiniggers tell themselves

>>29796850
graduate yourself

>>29796698
>I'm warning you witch stay the fuck back!

>>29796843
this is why you always, ALWAYS keep receipts when dealing with China.

>>29796843
god I hate nijiniggers so much

>>29796654
>Wolfy is confirmed to be in EN3
THE FINAL YAB
THE FINAL YAB
THE FINAL YAB
THE FINAL YAB

>>29796896
> kari-chan kakkoi is not a meme btw

>>29796855
Sweaty inner...

>>29796186
>>29796796
It's not even about friendship. You have to be a complete sociopath to ignore bad things happening to someone close by.

>>29796654
>Those names
Kek fucking rrats nest stoking the fires on both sides again and zark i know you are here you really should change that name man

>>29796620
And even for current state of vtubing, if Kobo's influence in ID market is enough for her to take over Gura, still a win in hololive.

>>29796654
When containment breaks before it's plugged, it's just the dumbest thing man.

>>29796654
The tribalism feels unrecoverable at this point. All out war.

>>29796924
There won't be an EN3. The market that HoloEN targets isn't valuable any more, as we could see with Tempus and their 40k debuts. Hololive has backed itself into a corner now. The US and Europe worthless and Nijisanji owns Asia.

>>29796358
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.472.2731&rep=rep1&type=pdf
Racial brain size correlates in difference with 37 musculoskeletal variables at an R2 of 0.94. You have three times as much of a chance of convincing me that black people are inferior than time streamed = more vod views

>>29796988
So, like bugmen driving over someone they hit because it's better for you if they die so you don't have to pay the medical bills?

>>29796924
What is even the deal with her? The only thing i know is from /here/ and that is that she is a cringy furry that i recently learned is fucking an absolute retard.

>>29796844
Well, we'll see. The clippers will keep up momentum in the meantime, but that can't last forever.

>>29796742
https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/1442873/#1478673
Its almost the same situation. fresh debut randomly tweeting @ bigger vtuber

>>29797011
If the rrats are correct, Cover has less than a year left anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

>>29796699
You’re thinking about this the wrong way. To me, it’s actually quite the opposite:
“Why don’t Myth members like Kiara and Ina push for more collabs with Council?”

I feel like putting the burden on Council here is weird because Ina and others like Ame have historically been awful at collabs and apart from some outliers (InaxAki, AmexRoboco, etc.) they almost NEVER collab, and if they do it’s often with Kiara in a timeslot she can be awake for. I mean really, we have Marine who’s been practically begging for a collab with Ina since the start, both whom know Japanese and both draw, yet Ina has yet to do a single collab together outside of UMISEA.
In contrast, Mumei has explored both JP and ID collabs and just had an upcoming collab with both an ID and JP that got cancelled because of the Indonesian Government bullshit. To me, it’s way more Myth’s fault for being sociallt autistic than anything

>>29797076
>Cover has less than a year left anyway
I think i heard this last year and even the year before that, let's see if it comes true this time.

>>29797076
Good things rrats are never correct

>>29795851
kekbeats don't even watch Mori. Why would they watch others? They've been tempered in the fires of the box. Holofans are Mori antis after all.

>>29796887
>>29796896
The point is EN is nothing and would have been dead in the water if it wasn't because of gura.
Instead of mentioning EN or myth just say gura
Also new gens will flop harder then gen2

>>29796607
>You aren't "controlling" for anything anon.
There are lots of things that impact the number of views which, if not controlled, will absolutely dominate the result.
Here is one example:type of content. Noel has a myriad of videos with the same range of live audience (peak CCV, avg CCV) than these, but these are the ones that gather the most views.
The smae goes for Fauna, Patra, Millie and others. Clearly ASMR, regardless of number of subs, CCV or duration, impacts the number of views in these videos and more than anything else.

If you take a sample of videos and check vs. viewership without controlling for that, what you end up measuring is the correlation between whatever else you are trying to measure and the video being ASMR.
And the opposite is also true, if what you are trying to measure has little correlation with ASMR, it will also show little correlation with the number of VOD views.

That happens in research all the time, health research control for obesity and smoking because the two of them correlate with poor health.
Your experiment and my experiment are flawed because they don't control for the strongest signals with respect to VOD views, mostly because neither of us gave it even a slightly less superficial look.

And I don't think it would be worth it, your point is that Tempus VOD views being worse than ILUNA is not caused by the fact they're shorter and I agree.
Tempus has fewer VOD views because they're shorter, because they have fewers subs, because they're from a new branch without sucessful "senpais" to funnel an established audience or generate interest and because Nijisanji has a bigger grip on the "boy vtuber" thing that the combined sum of the rest of the industry.

>>29796699
Faumei collabs, and Fauna and Mumei in general are two of the best things about holoEN lately

>>29797146
AND OTHER HILARIOUS JOKES NIJINIGGERS TELL THEMSELVES

>>29797015
This shit again huh

>>29797020
Pretty much

>>29797146
neck yourself, fulgur. you need to move on. sana's gone. i know it hurts, but it'll get better, i promise.

>>29797076

>>29797146
Is it already time for you to shit and piss yourself for a few hours?

>>29797146
anon if you consider myth and council dead then that would mean nijien is in a worse predicament

>>29797015
>>29797076
you don't quite understand how this game is played do you?

>>29797041
Her boyfriend in nijiwave 6

>>29797212
vox had a 31k stream a few days ago and sonny got 35k. when was the last time gura got those numbers outside of a big off-collab?

>>29797146
You have no idea how badly I want you to be serious with that shit and not some tired troll.

>>29797015
>Holostars En that had no English predecessor, got shat on a day before debut and is part of the Stars branch which are a bunch of 3views and Roberu is less viewed than Hololive en therefore there won't be en3
very smart anon

>>29797170
Reminder that this is supposedly prime sea hours because of the shitposts and clearly not EU or ES hours even though its primetime there

>>29797251
Tempus is more HoloEN than it is Holostars. Face it, HoloEN is reclining hard.

>>29797198

>>29797170
EU hours are the worst

>>29796742
Honestly not too sure who exactly it was in the end. Niji had had some kind of Tetris tournament the day before and Haru had been flamed and dislikebombed because he was blamed for technical issues that ruined the stream and then had the gall to win the thing. Then he made a tweet about how he should start watching Suisei and suddenly there were unicorns from one of the most broken horn fanbases all over his comments. But then again it was at the time when Suisei finally got noticed and found herself with 100k new subscribers and 7k new CCV overnight, so it could have been just newfags. And of course no reason it couldn't have been both falseflagging Nijifags and Cornyomi with Junkiddies and drama vultures to boot.

>>29797298
It's like one of those onion headlines becoming true kek

>>29797241
Those were also collabs anon
Hell the new wave got lower numbers than fucking stars

>>29796360
No. I think for HoloKR, Cover should debut a pair. It's gonna sell
Source: Ultra Instinct

>>29797241
32k, 27 days ago. it would have taken you like 10 seconds to look up.

>>29797241
Gura got 45k with WWE and 40k with Holocure iirc.

>>29797279
>clearly not EU or ES hours
I have been here for a while, it's just this particular hour and forward where everything turn to shit and i get banned for trolling outside of /b/ if i makes nijiniggers seethe.

>>29795672
Seems like a mistake in a post-Iluna world. Nijisanji owns Korea and the rest of Asia outside of Indonesia now. HoloKR would be 3views a week after debut.

>>29797298
Mntal illness made real. I wonder how that man functions day to day.

>instead of debuting en3 cover does a solo debut
>it's a blue haired bandit
>debut comes
>it's literally just gura making a funny accent

>>29797299
buddy, it's 10:30 PM here, this is early burger hours

>>29797148
Kuzuha's APEX streams get 500-900k views each, and he basically does them daily. Does that mean that APEX gets insane views? No, just for him. In example, Altare's ASMR actually got pretty bad views, if you excluded ASMR from the Tempus/Iluna argument, it would actually act in detriment to your argument

>>29797362
So, less than Sonny who has a fraction of her subs?

https://twitter.com/_omocat/status/1554201446240772096
Council merch seems to be doing well.

>>29797458
10:30 is right in EU hours, yes

>>29797295
Then why do they have their own separate channel and not apart of Hololive English, retard? They will never be Hololive, Omega.

/#/'s thoughts on the theory that there's a 5th Tempus?

>>29795811
>>29796360
>>29797336
If they did re-open auditions people would be pretty willing to apply, knowing the current popularity of Hololive. That being said, they should vet the candidates extensively.