/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

I see you schizos are making up imagined culls again.

Numbers

VpDSn (Views Per Day Streamed Number)

AKA Vtuber poopy doodoo shitposing number

Total channel views are taken and divided by the number of days since channel creation, tubers are given a 20 percent multiplier per year streamed past the first. So for example after streaming 911 days Pekora has a multiplier of 1.2 while Tamaki who has streamed 1644 days has a multiplier of 1.6. This aggregates the total interest of a tuber across their career but of course even with the weighting is still heavily favored towards newer tubers kind of a silly number. However the whole point was to try and gauge the relative strength of the field versus HoloX. Gura/Mori in this case have high numbers because of a stronger 2020 despite a weaker 2021. Basically it throws in previous periods where tubers were more popular at a reduced weight of importance.

1.Gura 430,000
2.Pekora 422,400
3.Mori 405,700
4.Marine 389,000
5.Kuzuha 375,200
6.Nijisanji Channel 374,200
7.hololive – Vtuber Group 369,900
8.Shibuya Hal 332,300
9.Kanae 289,200
10.Coco 281,500
11.Kanata 257,000
12.Fubuki 254,000
13.Korone 209,200
14.Suisei 199,900
15.Fuwa 195,500
16. Tamaki 194,100
17.Aqua 193,800
18. Rushia 178,700
19. Okayu 177,100
20. Miko 143,700
21. Subaru 139,000
22. Choueki Tarou 118,000

Holo X
Laplus 757,500
Koyori 606,600
Lui 578,100
Chloe 516,600
Iroha 403,400

The end take away is unless they fall off a steep cliff Koyori and Laplus will be the new top number dogs next year.

>>15475772
I'm not going along with it just yet, but there does appear of be something slightly odd. I'm always of the mind that jumping to conclusions is dumb when there isn't anything on the line, so I advocate waiting and seeing before drawing any sort of conclusions.

>>15475862
fucking ratio posters...shoo

>>15475999
Ant squad...

>>15475893
No, you're merely coping, and it's fine to cope when your oshi is performing poorly.

It doesn't seem to be an exact cull like last time, but more like the incline is being throttled so it can't reach its natural peak. I'm also not going to jump to any conclusions about the exact nature of what's going on, but I don't see any other explanation at this point other than *something* fucky is going on and seemingly on Youtube's end

Veibae hovering around 15k. Vshojo incline is real.

>>15476093
What's the occasion?

>>15476083
Or people aren't interested.

>>15476106
i checked in and she's playing binding of isaac, no collab

>>15476106
Nothing. It was just typical react content. They seem to be keeping the viewers they gained from association with big twitch streamers.

>>15476083
>>15476093
Not quite 15k yet, but she's clearly staying over 10k for the duration of the stream

>>15475999
>ant irrat squad
blew your cover retardchama

https://www.twitch.tv/veibae

ye tf, what's with the numbers it's just Isaac + gachi music in the bg

did something happen the last 1-2months?
she has really inclined hard this last period of the year despite being offline for the most part

as for the bot retard yelling mongols, u can just do /chatters it's a command in twitch chat that catches all the unique chatters, u can see the ratio to viewcount shown, when it isnt very high apart it means no bots around

>>15476093
>>15476208
>twitch

>>15476244
vshojo had an appearance on mizkif's show, that's what happened

>>15476285
that's not 1-2months ago
The incline was already hard before the mizkif show that just made it incline even harder.
Something seems to have hit as well a while before that

>>15476244
Vshojo was on mizkif's show that had 72k ccv and the clips of it were all over lsf. Veibae collabed a couple of times with sodapoppin since then. Ironmouse collabed with ludwig yesterday and has mizkif coming onto her show later in the week. They've been invited to the otk clique basically.

>On June 22, 2020, Mixer announced it was shutting down and partnering with Facebook Gaming.
DAMN! IT came and went and I didn't even know "MIxer" existed.

Did they get any numbers back then? Were they competitive with Twitch / Youtube?

>>15476368
Yeah just clique leeching but because they cant meat stream to do stupid content they will be invited less and the clique will find a new fotm, they can convert these numbers into long term viewers but will remain to be seen how much.

>>15476390
>were they competitive with twitch/youtube?
absolutely not, most of the money mixer had was used in bringing ninja to that platform

>>15475862
I don't understand what this is measuring or why.

>>15476244
as others already said its the exposure from the mizkif collab as the big one plus various other ones theyve been doing. Its all about who you know and associate with on twitch and big numbers will follow depending on who it is and you arent a complete deadfish of an entertainer.

>>15476336
shes been slowly inclining since joining VSJ but not 13k+ viewers incline until that collab. Even Nyanners was pulling 13k+ other day.

>>15475862
>20% multiplier
What retard math is this?

Vshojo if youre gonna leech on twitch ecelebs at least get 20k's from it, putas.

>>15476544
It measures average views across the whole career, it will naturally go down the longer the career is with breaks, declines etc. As I said the whole point is basically get a number to compare HoloX's debut month to long term performance of other tubers. I'll check it again in a couple months when HoloX has declined a bit but they will be on track to be some of the most viewed vtubers next year.

>>15476544
This faggot retard is trying to force a shitty formula that isn't based on actual data.
>lets just multiply views by 20% for no reason
What a fucking retard.

talking vshojo numbers Vei,Nyanner and ironmouse all got 14k+ ccv in their last stream

>>15476685
just do the last month or year, that seems too convoluted

>>15476685
If you're gonna invent some fucking model then explain your magic numbers properly, dumbo.

>>15476740
>>15476635

If I didn't multiply older streamers a bit pakora and others would be crushed on the list and people would cry and piss about vtubing being less popular in the past, that's all its for.

>>15476544
To make Gura look better than Pekora since Pekora was sub 10k(and close to 1k) for months at her start and Gura started out 40k+. Basically to penalize Pekora for starting out in Hololive when it was just another company while awarding Gura for starting out when Hololive was near it's hieght.

>>15476685
Why don't you just wait for HoloX to stream for 6 months then compare it to 6 months of EN or Gen 5 or whatever you're looking for. Trying to make some weird formula to try to average out a debut month is a waste of your time.

>>15476779
>unironically defending modifying data
Eat shit retard.

>>15475862
Kill yourself

>>15476244
keep winning

>>15475862
>>15476685

>>15476795
What's the point in that? Not like it's gonna make Pekora get lower CCV in real life. Although she does seem to be working on that on her own right now.

>>15476841
I mean I can post the unweighted views per day streamed and then people will just whine that vtubing used to be less popular and it means nothing which is true there were less overall viewers in the past and its throwing a bone at it. As I said its a shitposting number it has already farmed the (you)s, I have sated my curioisty to get a rough idea of where HoloX is at i just posted it for the memes.

>>15476762
we dont care about whores, you can go back to your trash

>>15476093
shes already down to 12.9k and still falling, seems like a raid of some weird kind

>>15476848
Did the bottom tier vshoujo not benefit any?

>>15476848
have the others seen an incline or just the big 3 of vsj

>>15476916
Holy fuck can you not just wait a few months then compare the data over those months?
Imagine still defending modifying data like a retard.

>>15476927
She got culled.

>>15476927
she was raided by another streamer earlier yeah but she seems to be breaking 11-12k more often in her streams now

>>15476916
Shitposting only works if it makes sense.

>>15476933
>>15476937
nope only pink cat, veibae, snuffy, and ironmouse

So far Ina's stream is looking completely normal. if it stall out at like 6k with no one else streaming I'd be suspicious but if it keeps going up to 7-8k like normal I'm afraid it won't show anything unusual.

>>15476937
Probably just the big 3 (and snuffy) given that they've been the one in those collabs. We'll see if those others can get the numbers to trickle down soon

>>15477016
Did Snuffy go to the eceleb thing?

>>15477016
>snuffy
kek that bitch will never join vshojo, as she said, because she can leech off them for free this way

>>15476970
There isn't anything crazy about how i modified the data retard, you've never done a weighted study. If I was trying to properly normalize for the overall size of the vtubing hobby I would have found the overall viewership of the vtubing sphere in each year and weighted the older streamers according to that growth, out of laziness i just said 20 percent although it is undoubtedly higher. When you do regressions or polls you weight all the time, this is just a super lazy way of doing it because i didn't feel like running a regression.

>>15477076
except she said she changed her mind and wants to join in the future

>>15477061
yep em four

>>15477076
Being in Vshoujo is more or less free anyway. However if they really do want to strongarm people into it they need to start being less free with outside collabs and start having benefits for actually being in the group.

>>15477077
>still defending his shitty formula
I'm literally telling you that there is a better way to compare numbers. Just wait a few months then compare the numbers from those months.
Fucking retard.

>>15476927
She's dropped since switching to Isaac from react content.

December median update. Toya still leading. Pekora & Fubuki reclining
>Toya 34,469
>Ayame 33,838
>Fubuki 31,630
>Pekora 29,231

>>15477177
Yes I know, but there is this thing called linear regressions where you analyze numbers based on their relationships on each other and using those relationships can better account for the future. This was just a super lazy way of doing the same thing but we don't really have true numberfags here running 80 variable binomials just navel gazers.

>>15477145
Pretty sure that isn't what she said. We really have no idea what she wants to do
>>15477167
That kind of goes against the point of VShojo, they want to avoid restricting them as much as possible

>>15477201
nah i opened it, on 13.0k she was still playing it

>>15477297
She was at 14.5 when she started Isaac. Has been dropping since then.

>>15477024
I don't think she'll be affected much since her graphs have always been very flat

>>15477167
the collab restriction is a jp thing, never seen anyone outside jp restrict collabs excluding extreme brand risks, as for benefits i think you understimate the vshojo buff, hime streams once every 2 months without even posting on socials and gets 1/2k viewers if she's not overlapped

>>15477250
No one cares how good you could be at pulling numbers out of your ass because you'd still be pulling numbers out of your ass.

>>15477250
Or you can just compare the numbers from the past months and not the whole thing.
Also, if you're literally admitting that your formula is absolute shit, then don't use it in the first place.

undertale numbers

>>15477382

pekkers...

>>15476902
To make Gura seem like she has the best numbers. It's all so silly. If you wanted to measure career health you'd plot all f her streams post cull on a graph with the y axis as peak CCV and the x axis as time and calculate a trend line OR use a 30 day moving average and use a trend line there.

>>15477492
Peak CCV is an incredibly shitty metric though, do people only use it because it's easier to collect that data than an average or median? I'll never understand it

>>15476093
EN GOLD!!!!

>>15477382
Why are they playing undertale and not deltarune? It's the newer game so it should give better number.

>>15477382
Underfail

>>15477585
We have the average if you want but that penalizes people who do SC reading. Medians are good too if your lumping everything together but for career health the actual magnitude doesn't mean much as long as the differences are mostly the same. You could normalize the data and end up with the exact same result. My point is that there are better ways to get career health data.

>>15477585
they use peak because some do sc reading at the ending, while some dont, fucking up comparison. But youtube's ccv itself is very shitty to use, as we keep seeing again and again

>>15477585
Yes it's really easy to see and you don't have to math. Average also has problems if you have streams that do something like SC reading at the end of a stream.

>>15476208
Vills?

Is everyone forgetting that Japanese people take New Years more seriously than Christmas, they are all going home to their elderly parents in the backwoods, they're not watching streams.

>>15477784
>>15477819
Nta but if they are putting out shitty content like reading SC their metrics should reflect that

ina poll

How long until VShojos trinity surpasses HoloENs?

>>15478061
5.7k votes / 8.7k viewers in 60 seconds

>>15478044
youre a retard

>>15478067
dunno
>EN vtubers and twitch numbers
don't care

>>15477339

>>15477978

i'm curious to see if comiket will affect ccv in someway too

>>15478061
5.8k for 1 mintue

>>15478067
we will never know since you cant compare youtube and twitch numbers.

>>15478067
2 big outsider collabs max

>>15478044
t. poorfag

front page
https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/rriah4/veibae_goes_off_on_a_juicer/

>>15478067
Difference between Twitch and Youtube's CCV asides, it probably will take a long time seeing that even with raid, their peaks are still several thousands behind Gura's average (much less peaks)

>Koyori
>1,300,659円
Wowzers
She's actually an earner too.

>>15478215
>3k views

ok
anyway unless vshojo becomes regulars on otv they will recline again. Seenimu and Ashon Lol

>>15477382
>That stream is 10 months ago already
time is fast...

>>15478215
Go back.

>>15478215
>reddit page about twitch clips
kys

>>15477382
peko decline is real
first aqua and dog
now pekon

>>15478067
>twitch
Might as well include all Bili chuubas here.

>>15476390
Mixer was the best platform to stream but no one knew about it and then MS did the same shit they did in consoles and tried to buy streamers to be only on Mixer. Ninja's contract was like 50M alone and because never catch on, they went under.

>>15478215
isn't the home page personalized content from your communities?

Twitch numbers can't be taken seriously and anybody talking about them is a bad faith actor with an anti-Holo agenda. Most likely Nijiniggers.

restocked

>>15478938
>goes to check numbers
>Ina has more viewers than the whole collab
huh

>>15478215
They really want that incline before debuting the new hires

>>15479077
>multi-POV
>Brawlhalla
butwhy.jpg

the culling doesn't exist it's all in your brain

>>15479211
fix your website susan

>>15478215
I barely understood anything she said, is her imitation really how Twitch chat is like?

The Omegalul sounded funny at least.

Finana got sponsored by Blue Archive, hot damn Nexon going all in on chuubas.

Holobros our sponsorship cope is gone.

>>15479077
Will NijiEN figure out the 'males during NA hours' dilemma?

>>15477713
Pekora is doing it since she want's to complete Genocide route before the next year. FBK did it because she wanted to speedrun it after Japan RTA. And Flare just loves undertale and probably wanted to play it again after watching Pekora yesterday.

And no Deltarune is numbers poison as well. A few Holos have played it. Flare, Ollie, Kanata. All below 10k.

>>15478215
we have actually reddit vtrannies here

>>15476656
can we stop posting this failure? i had hopes for her and she ruined everything. her pics make me seethe

>>15479077
Amazing isn't it? Whenever Nijisanji is under performing and putting up shit numbers there is a massive increase in Vshojo mentions. Almost like disingenuous Nijiniggers are using Vshojo to cope.

>>15479261
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olMG-lRKltk

if they sponsored even Anya then of course a flop like finana can get one too

>>15479291
wait, you thought all those posts saying the majority of anons on this board came from reddit were a joke?

>>15479310
You make me curious to ask, but I feel like I don't wanna know...

>>15479262
I imagine the blokes themselves would rather not deal with their non-paying SEA audience. If they were good paypigs the cringe is worth it. They seem to hold the fun streams(games they want to play) in NA hours and the boring streams in SEA hours.

>>15479261
why you keep bringing up old shit?

Blue Archive sponsored a lot of streamers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m8Ky8XGJZ0

>>15479310
nope, shes a reminder to all leeches

>>15479356
Come on, anon. Don't do that to Anya of all people, she actually puts effort into making her Samurai Approved content.

>>15479455
do what? Im just being honest

>>15479310
she might purposely killed her momentum to join holoES

>>15479390
go on anon, ask

>>15478215
There was so much twitch slang in there it might as well have been a foreign language. I take it she was reacting to Master Chef and got mad about something?

>>15479597
its kinda the same thing here you have to stick around awhile to start getting a hang of the lingo and in jokes. best way to put it is she was shitting on someone who was shitting on her for her choice of twitch react content when the person in question likely watches another persons twitch react content but likes it rather than shits on it, its all fucking stupid shit.

It triggers me how often Ina gets so close to 10k without hitting it.

>>15479310
I'll ask Mexihombre, what did she do?

The fuck is wrong with Miko’s numbers? Can’t even beat Pekora with a gen6 and miComet AmongUs or Shiraken collab. Don’t blame Noel either because last Shiraken with her was double the last one.

>>15479669
I see. I take it the guy had a username that identified him as an "XQC" fan and also "juicer" is slang for said type of fan?

>>15479775
you would be correct

>>15479758

>The fuck is wrong

might as well take another look at the tally and say the same for everyone's numbers

>>15479775
yeah juicer is xqc's fan name. not sure if he had a name that outed him or if it was because xqc is the biggest/most known

>>15477382
Her G-Route streams are doing better than her last gartic phone stream.

>>15479758
Nothing is wrong with her numbers. She had the highest viewership in the collab even beating out Laplus. That is pretty impressive.

>>15479426
you're acting like Tamaki and Ui are no-names...
NijiEN might as well be no names when nexon can pay the whole of HoloEN
good on them for throwing Niji a bone though.

Someone earlier was talking about how Pekora should play Granny simulator. It was actually one of her and Rushia’s first game collab together.

>>15479959
hmm true, and the garlic phone even happened before christmas

>>15480033
Miko always gets highest views in amogus collabs if Marine or Pekora aren’t there. I don’t think she’s ever been below 20k

cold...

Voxx and Mysta should take care of thwier viwership more.
They are still on honeymoon phase and these collabs wont give them anything.
The other 3 are already lost but is still possible to salvage these 2

>>15479597
Basically the guy laughed at her and her chat for watching Almazan Kitchen when he watches xqc streaming Master Chef for 100k viewers

>>15480174
Mysta is a numberfag but he also unlists superchat reading streams despite those being moneyprinters.

>>15479758
Her 2nd thumbnail making stream was halved from the first as well.

Can someone just give me a TLDR on what's happened with the numbers recently because I don't want to do my archive reps.

>>15479494
is holoES ever happening? maybe if Coco lingered for a bit more...
>>15479714
yeeted her iconic model for something that looks literally like a turd. and got extremely lazy

>>15480369
>is holoES ever happening?
Only if they want to section off the ES crowd away, like how ID and EN are separate in spite of ID more or less speaking in English primarily most of the time.

>>15480341
We don't want to know

>>15480341
nobody knows for sure, we just know they are all shitty and plateauing pretty quick since 2 or 3 days

>>15480341
Post-Christmas Effect

>>15478215
>l*ddit
Then again, I read the comments so I guess that makes me guilty too.
All of them are warning her that she's gonna start getting hate raided by his fanbase (imagine chumbuds if they were unhinged 12 year olds).

>>15480341
vtuber fad is over

>>15479035
Oh, that's good news, I do hope that it gets retweeted that it's in stock then(all sizes?)

>>15480318
It actually is almost exactly halved. I’ve noticed during streams that sometimes views will drop instantly by 1.5-2k then not rise past what they were at previously. Are thepajeets protesting the lack of vpootubers?

>>15480946
Juicers are unironically the most unhinged fanbase (by size).
>>15481032
I mean, Ina got close to her usual number, so I expect that it's really just 'post Christmas JP family shit' affecting the numbers, and the odd plateaus are people checking in but not able to stay due to having to attend to family, so they leave a like and then move on.
I don't know, I'd just wait until January before we jump the gun on trying to attribute it to Yt when we KNOW JP takes their new years shit seriously.

>>15480341
The leading theories are:
1. New cull
2. Youtube bug that will be fixed
3. Everybody visiting family for Christmas
4. Nothing happening and we're just unlucky

Note that theories 2 and 4 are copes, and theory 3, while compelling, doesn't explain strange ccv graphs. Theory 1 also doesn't exactly line up with the way previous cull took place. Thus, none of them are conclusively proven.

>>15480994(me)
I just checked, nope, this is just the (small) size restock that was already done a while ago for Gura, so no new restock. That isn't happening until April.

>>15480113
I'm sorry what?
The post was a reply to this weird part.
>Holobros our sponsorship cope is gone.
Because nexon sponsored Ui, Tamaki and many other Vtubers since the start of 2021, yet every 2 thread anon keeps bringing up NijiEN with the clear intent that they're "stealing away sponsors" when many vtubers were sponsored before Hololive.

watame 2nd anniversary live song count: 6
kanata 2nd anniversary live song count: 15

>muh new cull
absolute state of this thread

>>15481517
watame albums count: 2
kanata albums count: 0

watame sololives count: 1
kanata sololives count: 0

>>15481856
oh nonono heimin bros!? we got too cocky!

>>15480341
Anons are newfags to Youtube and don't know that numbers will be trending down after Xmas through January and will say things like "c-cull"

>>15480341
basically *it seems* that streams that *should* incline after a [replicable event] happens, are being limited in growth, see the plateau in the OP, the graphs look off *flat* in segments where they usually be inclining

>>15481847
I say it's a cope until there's sufficient, long term significant evidence. We can say that there was one for sure for last December, the absolute fuckery on 20:47 December 2nd JST on Lamy's stream, Polka's stream and the subsequent bizzare across the board drop that YT wanted to ghost everyone until they were forced to admit they changed things is proof of that.
This though? Definitely feels like cope rn.

>>15481934
People forget. Last year's lockdowns kind of brainwashed everyone into forgetting what the usual numbers are like for the holidays.

>>15482076
Yeah idk I'm not seeing any evidence of it. Ina's stream behaved exactly like it should have, to a T.

>>15481302
The big collab on NYE will be a good gauge as to the significance of the drop.

>>15482168
American lockdowns were already over by last December. Is Japan in a much different situation today that December 2020?

>>15482248
No more work from home?

finana...

>>15482248
No, they have been in lockdowns on and off for travelers, but I don't know how many quarantines have been instated.

>>15482283
Unfortunately for the tech sector and many professional markets, people liked work from home a little too much... enough that even Apple had to kneel.

>>15482325
Selen decided to murder her today.

>>15482248
It's exactly the same, there were no travel restrictions for New Years 2021

Bitcoin crash of vtuber

>>15480341
Seem like only vtubers with more than 15k get cull. The reason still unknown.

>>15479494
She would never go the idol route. It's too much work because her content is just comedy, no musical talent whatsoever.
Also, she's too big for HoloES. Being the biggest indie after/alongside Kson.

>>15480174
Unironically this, so many people who watch them are girls new to VTubing who are not interested in the non-Luxiem members at all. Their Twitter and YouTube numbers are on the way to surpassing the other NijiENs; at some point, frequently collabing with the girls might actively hurt their careers. Mysta seems to understand this and has already distanced himself from het shipping.

>>15482248
I'll admit it orange on specific American shit, because wasn't that left heavily up to the states to decide, but at least up here in leaf town the limited family gathering deal was still in place.

>>15482525
No all the 2views I follow have had the same drop

>>15482525
How convenient Council will never get cull

>>15482577
Mysta and Selen seem like the two smart ones in NijiEN

>>15482587
They advised people not to but most people ignored it and went anyway, and even the true believers still had their gathering but wore masks around the kitchen table or whatever. Technically that same advice still remains in effect but even less people care anymore. Hawaii is the only place that has laws with any teeth, because it's a fucking island and they can restrict entry and monitor people.

>>15482248
I'll admit that my knowledge of burger lockdowns and gathering restrictions is lacking since I'm a goddamned leaf, but last December there were definitely gathering size limitations in place that would have limited large family gatherings. Lockdown then, was not the right word for me to use, but the situation was definitely discouraging family gatherings whereas this year most people have accepted that asong as they're not sick, they'll choose to gather regardless of the ongoing panic.

>>15482571
>she's too big
so it was Gura, Irys, Kronii and Mumei
but yeah, her chances to be a holo dropped to zero when she started collabing with the dramafags from FB and basically suiciding her career with her collab choices on Twitch

>>15482706
Okay, thanks for the info. It probably varied heavily by state then, as these things tend to when it's left up to stare level.

>>15481517
Watame showed the things that were behind the paywall. Delivered on her early 2021 promise of making Vol.2 much better than Vol.1
Kanata finally went all out and performed an absolute concert. Easy one of the best 3D shows available for free. Debuted the most expensive song production so far.
They both did great. And I'm expecting both Towa and Luna to do great too.

>>15482745
Maybe if you are in New York or California but the rest of the blue states effectively ended shut downs during summer 2020 (in time for 4th of July).

>>15482525
No, people were reporting 2views getting slashed too. These are two screens I took earlier today to highlight the big discrepancies between viewers and likes, which isn't normal for Nene and Flare. Pekora too had a much higher likes to viewers ratio.

look how fucking flat she is, goddamn that's hot

>>15482656
I wouldn’t know about Selen but I can vouch for Mysta. It’s easy for people to fall for his funny rocks for brains act because he’s really good at it but he’s a smart numberfag. Already working on a cover, posts reply-baiting or viral-sounding tweets every other hour, you can’t go to any Luxiem-related shit on Reddit or YouTube without seeing his comments, sets clear boundaries when he’s collabing with girls rather than the guys…dude’s playing the game well.

>>15482792
>Irys
Irys was never big and I'm tired of numberniggers not understanding this. Most of her covers got dogshit numbers. The ones that got impressive ones, she posted alongside the anime opening she was covering and only labeled them as covers in japanese. You know what this means? It means people listened to them and thought they were the fucking originals.

>>15482963

That Flare stream was so weird. Ok, she never really got good numbers with these random games but barely hanging with 1k was bizarre

>>15483283
It also matches the pattern of other suspect streams: steep incline, long plateau, steep incline, long plateau, steep incline, plateau

>HoloEN low numbers
>hahaha reclining
>Nijisanji low numbers
>hahaha reclining
>HoloJP low numbers
>nooooooooo new cull new cull

>>15483476
should check her GRIM stream she had low numbers back then too for a random ass game.

>>15483097
Anon, its not all about youtube numbers. She had a long career singing, released multiple albums, collaborated on like a dozen more, and even did original songs for videogames. She was pretty damn big.

>last samurais still coping hard
You love to see it.

"Every viewer is going in a week long holiday to their parents house that happens to have no internet" feels like a big cope, specially considering that almost half young people in Japan live with their parents until well into their 30.
Has any of you tried to look at last year Christmas to actually be sure of this? I remember Dec 2020 was the highest average CCV for Holos.

>>15483723

her weakest grim stream didn't go as low as this one

>>15483810
How? They had a 30% cut in early December 2020.

We'll accept there is a new cull if the JP whiners accept that EN numbers tracked throughout 2021 should be doubled.

>P reclining

So now HoloEN will reign supreme once again?

>>15483810
>I remember Dec 2020 was the highest average CCV for Holos.
Didn't chart anon plotted that chart and showed it was in November? The cull started in December.

>>15483601
state of holojpfags

>>15483723
you mean grime? she had 4k not 1k
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/Pjrv44RneJw

Damn, the numbers.. What if we got sub 20k for gold today my fellow /#/ ? Like 19,768

>>15483889
>>15483601
meds

quit it with the samefagging, schizo

>>15483810

>I remember Dec 2020 was the highest average CCV for Holos.

from what timeline are you from

>>15483810
I've been looking at some Xmas/NY 2020 graphs and the numbers are the same as they were for the rest of the month post-cull and there's no unnatural plateauing

So is FBKs comeback done with? No more shiny hunting, and it was falling off before she finished it. Why don’t all other holos do sub mode only like FBK? Free subs

>>15483950
Today has an Iroha totsumachi and the Mikkorone endurance, both should theoretically get great numbers so it's going to be an interesting chance to learn more about what's going on right now

>>15483601
Sure, except it's affecting Niji too. I mostly follow HoloJP and that's what I noticed, but there were reports on Niji's side as well today.

>>15483865
Nigger we alredy went through this today. Nobody is denying the cull happened in december 2020, but it affected both EN and JP. See graph.

>>15484166
>JP barely dropped
>EN literally halved
Yes and?

>>15484166
>Niji's side as well today.
>9k playing valorant
nigga pls

>>15484144
Also PekoMarine MC

>>15483886
Maybe I was misremembering, sorry.
>>15483995
That's what I'm thinking and from my experience looking at other holiday periods. Holidays don't usually affect Holos viewership. If anything it gets bigger in a few cases. The typical Holo audience they're going for isn't the most extroverted, party outside with 50 friends people. If it was, they wouldn't keep watching some streams loyally until 4 am.

I didn’t believe in a call until I saw Subaru at less than 12k in Pokémon. No way the rising duck would be that low

>>15484237

post other examples, anon. I have already seen the kanae image in more than one thread. use like the mito collab stream who barely got 10k

>>15484347
Cope, that's normal numbers for Mito holobrony

>>15484347
10k-13k is her usual numbers

>>15484144
I'm pretty sure the endurance is after new years. In fact Korone has another stream scheduled for today already.

>>15484226
You might want to actually look at the numbers...

>>15484237
I don't fucking know, I don't watch Niji. Doesn't seem to affect everyone the same way, in Holo as well. I think someone was talking about Sasaki?

>>15484504
She was at around 3.5k when I saw but I don’t know her normal numbers.

>>15484504
Take your own advice and look at the numbers, EN were on a stable incline until the cull happened then they were halved and continued to drop, while JP didn't drop anymore than could be accounted for with usual stream variance.

>>15484561

>>15484226
JP was inclining at the time so it makes it look like they didn't get hit as hard since their CCV would've gone up by 3k then reduced by 10k. EN looks like they got hit harder because their CCV would've gone down by 3k regardless but got hit for another 5k.

>>15484561
5.7k. shes playing an out of season game

>>15484297
For me it was seeing Botan not even incline a tiny bit while fighting Cynthia, how is that even possible without YT fuckery?

>>15484659
Why do her numbers go steadly up over a period of four days and then suddenly drop for the next two streams?

>>15484769
Gen 5 isn't very popular in the first place so I can see that happening

>>15484829
even lamy hit 10k

>>15484829
Just because you're not popular doesn't mean that you don't incline as people starty paying more attention to your streaming for more important parts. This isn't Twitch where you have circumstance beyond your control like raids; this pattern repeats for just about everyone in Hololive.

>>15484945
>numberfag uses bots to pump up her numbers
Is that supposed to be surprising?

>>15484829

Anon, even Luna went up to 12k against Cynthia. Her normal numbers for Pokemon were 6-5k

>>15484297
That is only natural. Reddit Duck was getting the majority of her views because Yakuza 0 is a meme game. Once she finished the meme game the people moved on because they certainly weren't there for Reddit Duck.

>>15484571
>while JP didn't drop anymore than could be accounted for with usual stream variance
Alright, you must be trolling. Pekora was the one inclining the most, still lost 1/3rd of her viewers. That's a little more than "barely dropped".
Also look at Mio, Miko, Polka, Flare, Nene. They all had comparable if not harder reclines than EN.
Again, look at the fucking numbers.

Let's just say i have never seen flare drop to less than 1k viewers since 2020. I know it's a massive debuff game but still she should have more than 1k core fanbase.

>>15485154
Retard, all of EN dropped while some of the JPs even inclined, that clearly shows whatever happened it was only happening consistently to ENs and there were other reasons besides Susan fuckery for JP reclining

>>15485060

and that was her first 10k+ stream in 3 months. it seems people didn't pay any attention to how pokemon can be a buff in the last stages lol

>>15482385
Finana's first solo sponsor results.

man goomba is still so uncomfortable with her numbers

>>15485205
I check Holostats and that was her lowest ever average for a stream over 20 minutes since they started recording in June 2020

>>15485317
Speaking of which, Anya has a Blue Archive sponsored stream today as well.

I hate what Vtubers have become, shills for gacha predatory companies.

>>15485354
She said something in her member stream?

>>15485317
So, standard fare stream? I checked her numbers and she seems to sit between 1k and 2k for most streams this month.

>>15485354
Elaborate

>>15485646
i thought i would hate it, but after seeing gura UUOOHing to arona live i'm okay with it.

Some jps might have incline last november and december so the cull last year seems minimal, en definitely got fucked hard. I am a roberu zatsu watcher and he was getting 1k on the same streams for 2 months and suddenly he is a 700-800 streamer after the cull.

>>15485671
>>15485714
This stream is members only because she felt overwhelmed by the large audience today and wanted a smaller more comfy stream.

>>15485646
Weeb shit will sponsor weeb shit like vtubers, and gachas are what make the weeb bucks. Were you hating when they got bookwalker sponsorships?
The JP girls seem to be luckier because a few big name video game devs (Microsoft, Ubisoft etc) have noticed "holy shit look at these jap girls and their big audiences" and given them shill stream but really, can you say Microshit and Ubishit are any better than gacha devs?

>>15485791
Doesn't she have something like 20,000 members

>>15485903
Contrary to popular belief, most members don't show up to members only streams.

>>15485934
especially when she doesn't tweet about them, have a schedule with them, puts the frame up 2 hours before the stream, or has them outside of her regular stream timezone

>>15485819
I don't know about Ubisoft, but I sure as heck would want to see Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo sponsor HoloEN. But then again, they got the streaming deals from them already, so that's basically free advertising for most of them, so the only really viable sponsors would be Japanese/Asian companies trying to get a foothold on the western markets and apparel brands if they're ever interested in cutting deals with Cover for whatever reason.

>>15485791
Well she doesn't have anything planned ahead after 12/28, her UNO collab for new year might cancelled or rescheduled because Calli didn't listed in her schedule (Calli was suppose to be one of the collab partner). What left ahead is a karaoke relay, or maybe another new year stream or mario kart she mentioned yesterday.

>>15485243
Nice cope. Kiara had a negligible recline compared to some JP, while JP recline is overwhelmingly evident besides very few exceptions.
I do believe EN might have suffered overall a slightly harsher cull, but people who pretend JP was basically untouched are positively coping faggots.

>>15486152
>slightly harsher
>Gura goes from 45k to 20k overnight
Your bias is clear, last samurai

>>15486152
>but people who pretend JP was basically untouched are positively coping faggots.
Nah, just /hlg/ schizos bent on claming that HoloEN was a mistake and was reclining.

Today's superchats

I thought western audiences were supposed to spam likes more? Yep guys likes surpassing viewers is a common occurrence, definitely not YouTube fucking up.

>>15486274
HoloEN has been reclining all year well after the cull so the cull is not a complete excuse for low EN numbers. You can see the EN median dropping every month in 2021 after the cull while JP has been steadily going back up to its previous peaks.

>>15486321

koyorin!!!

>>15486338
ludgwig audience comes from twitch so they arent traied well enough

>>15486385
Because Susan was ramping up the cull every month, ENschizo.

god damnit, another EN timeloop coming, time to evacuate the thread

>>15486442
The cull happened in December, it was a one time event

>>15486271
>keeps ingoring the numbers
I rest my case

>>15486385
Do I really need to bring up lawyer speak into a casual conversation about what happened in 2020, anon?

>>15486321
Watame almost made as much money as she got viewers.

>>15486338
I happened to watch part of his stream today (he was talking about the movie streaming that was discussed last thread).
>Told people to stream anime because it's only a 24hr ban
>Said that streaming movies is playing with fire especially when they're not deleting vods
>Recommended doing react streams on youtube videos because it's "safe"

>>15486442
And which viewers do you think they are culling?

>>15486338
Some numbers on JP audiences not hitting the like button:

English:
128k views
13k Likes
https://youtu.be/77WRVcjJN0A

Japanese:
226k views
9.6k likes
https://youtu.be/wtzD4xVUDAA

English
411k views
34k likes
https://youtu.be/kkXnWA0YzNQ

Japanese
1 million views
30k likes
https://youtu.be/FIuuFG3PO_k

>>15486573
So did Nene, hell Koyori made more!

>>15485934
Doesn't help that youtube doesn't even list them unless you go to the person's page and then to their community tab.

>>15486674
The first is the contrary. His stream with mouse got restricetd in all countries except japan. So no more anime.
The third one said that if you want to watch others content as a rule of thumb check if it is not claimed first in youtube citing a heavily edited ED,EDD,EDDY video otherwise it is a NO.
but he called himself lazy when doing it and called others lazy also and cited how xqc doesn't deserve in any shape or form streamer of the year title.
So he is learning the youtube ways still.

>>15486694
Anyone not in Japan, since holoEN's Youtube accounts are set to the Japan region

>>15486472
last samurai coping

>>15486717
Basically if the likes are over the views for a Japanese stream something very fucky is going on.

>>15486717
These are a bad comparison because they aren't live.
A better comparison would be this >>15486338
showing the likes being half of number of live viewers.

There is one sweaty seanigger that has spent the last 16 hours shitposting the exact same thing over and over without pause. I am impressed by its dedication.

>>15486895
Most of hololive's viewers are EOP so they don't even have a mainly Japanese audience.

>>15486895
>>15486873
i wonder if the higher views for vox and mysta are becasue their channels are set to japan region.
Selen had a poll on her stream for 1hr and it had 10k votes with only 2.7k viewers at the time.
Their likes are REALLY low compared to their views

>>15486321
December superchats so far
>Chloe - $259,447
>Iroha - $187,603
>Koyori - $134,279
>Laplus - $131,332
>Kanata - $125,202
>Rushia - $111,957
>Nene - $108,551
>Pekora - $105,656
>Lamy - $92,993
>Fubuki - $79,041
>Hayato - $72,831
>Flare - $68,810
>Watame - $68,607
>Lui - $67,187
>Ayame - $65,579
>Mori - $63,941
>Shion - $58,517
>kson - $52,650
>Fuwa - $52,439
>Subaru - $49,353
>Kiara - $41,615
>Kuzuha - $40,870
>Kaida - $34,949
>Marine - $34,882
>Millie - $34,716
>Akina - $33,922
>Mishiro - $33,899
>Gura - $33,866
>Miko - $32,598
>Noel - $31,447

>>15486895
Not necessarily. Some of the smaller Holomems like Mel or Akirose often have more likes than concurrent viewers. But in most other instances, yes, the amount of likes tends to be much lower in JP streams compared to EN.

>>15486321

>>15485903
There's probably only about 5-7k in here tops. They took off the live number on members it seems.

Vox got his subs cut live on stream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ByRAZ4yv0I
Replay is enabled go back about 3 minutes after defeating a Robin player.

Vox is losing 500 subs right now, SUSAN NOT NOW

>>15487601
>>15487580
that is how it alwasy is. that is why most holos dont put a live suscriber count and just do screenshots

>>15487601
Why is Youtube like this

>>15487430
>Koyori - $134,279
>Laplus - $131,332
Oh no no no cunnybros what went wrong?

>>15487464
It'd be funny if she gets the most futa art for this moment

>>15487796
Koyori is the Kiara to Laplus Gura.

>>15487451
>Mel
>Aki
Aren't they the ones with some of the largest viewership shares of all of JP? I know they're midgets compared to the likes of top JP holos, but what happens to them could easily scale at any level if their audiences had the same composition.

>>15487958
Lui...

>>15487796
Jump King

>>15488009
Lui is Bae

>>15488009
She's the Choco of her generation, by far the worst numbers in every metric but god damn do I want to have sex with her

>>15488076
Lui is to HoloX what Mio is to Gamers. Miso soup.

>>15488144
wow, rude.

>>15488009
proving once again that hagbros are a meme and don't watch streams

>>15488129
Pure Hag power

>>15488129
Choco was actually someone until Susan decided that she needed to be no one.

https://twitter.com/comiketofficial/status/1476358910844239873
Doujinshi numberfagging time

>>15488197
Except you know, Botan being the most popular person in the preceding generation. It's almost like that has nothing to do with popularity whatsoever.

>>15488259
That is like Mecca for comic nerds. Holy shit.

>>15488259
I know this is a convention center but it looks like a fucking airport hangar. Sad and depressing atmosphere.

>>15487697
what was the milestone that Suisei hit like 5 times? Admittedly, I think that was in the middle of the taiwan yab so it was also a lot of seething zhangs unsubbing

>>15488259
How popular are Hololive doujins? And will Miko try to sneak back in to buy some

https://youtu.be/PL743z4o1Oc

https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1476363277609631748
Hololive is such a success they have to limit one product per person to keep the demand.

>>15488259
Hololive's booth.
https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1476347910329872390

>>15488443
We don't really know since this is the first comicket after Hololive exploded in popularity.

>>15488515
>Laplus front and center
They're really pushing her to be the Japanese Gura aren't they. If Laplus has anything in her favor she's FAR more entertaining than Gura as a streamer.

>>15487963
I'm not sure I'm following.
The reason for the higher amount of likes I think is simply due to saviourfagging: people drop in to leave a like but then go watch someone they're actually interested in. Hell, I do that myself sometimes.

>>15488515
where's Gura? cover fuck up again by not marketing their most popular chuuba?

>>15486860
I'm curious what is youtube stream meta?

>>15488515
Where's EN?

>>15488713
shut up chumcuck, arent you supposed to be watching your oshi's unarchived karaoke?

>>15488699
>cunny in the middle and in the spotlight
sora...

>>15488749
Even the likeness of a w*sterner could spread the coof so they're banned from Japan as well.

>>15488777
not chumbud just weird how cover is allergic to marketing her it's almost as if they hate EN

mori

>>15488761
that staff is a cutie.

>>15488614
There's tons of pedos at these things, she's gonna be the star attraction for Holos.

>>15488761
staff-san!?

>>15488420
500k. And that was during the beginning of the taiwan drama.

>>15488871
SEX WITH STAFF-CHAN

>>15488858
You got me, I was actually looking for her in the crowd...

>>15488871
You've never been around first world girls, have you?

>>15488749
Not there because they're an embarrassment

>>15488480
Knowing Cover, they likely under produced and limit units per person to drive the fake scarcity

So does Nijisanji have a booth too or did they skip out? Their twitter doesn't seem to have anything.

>>15488871
Is this A-chan?

>>15489015
Nijisanji banned fan works. Where have you been?

>>15488761
Kek, Holo in shambles
What a dwindling number of customers

>>15485819
YES. 100% Microsoft and Ubisoft are 100% better than gacha. Even fucking NFTs are better than gacha shit.

>>15489004
Limiting to one per person would mitigate artificial scarcity, letting people buy unlimited amounts would aggravate it as they would quickly run out.

>>15489040
>To the next!
The next what? Next graduation?

>>15489015
Banned derivative works. Another great business decision by the executives at Anycolor

>>15489057
>Nijisanji banned fan works
Only dlsite because collab. Did something new happen?

>>15488761
That doesn't look too crowded to me desu fampai tachi
Maybe Cover only printed 20 of everything again to boost their sell out numbers.

>>15489040
Coco....

>>15489174
who?

>>15489150
During Comiket season where DLSite is the biggest digital doujin selling website?

>>15489112
>Even fucking NFTs are better than gacha shit.
I'm not surprised we will see NFT gacha in the near future

>>15488144
Mio used to be miso soup back in the day when she actually played games. Capcom yab was blessing in disguise for her, because it allowed her to find a niche with utawaku and zatsus.

>>15489221
Anon, just look at the Muv Luv Alternative anime NFT. Is basically gacha NFT.

>>15489194
Not a clue who he's talking about, gen 4 was always 4 people just like gen 5 right?

https://twitter.com/AkasaAi/status/1476364998314446849
https://twitter.com/AkasaAi/status/1476365797811699712
Akasa Ai (Marine's mama) already sold out.

is there pic from other companies booth?

>>15489266
>look at the Muv Luv Alternative anime
Stopped reading your sentence there sorry, I'd frankly rather pluck out my eyeballs with a rusty spoon

>>15489372
Nijisanji booth already sold out an hour ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DS9ZBXmkPA
not too crowded well covid tbf

>>15489372
https://twitter.com/774inc_c99/status/1476330339773841409
https://twitter.com/774inc_c99/status/1476355433422258183

>>15489327
It's 10:45 in Japan. When did the gates open? Did she just make 20 of everything?

>>15489482
I want Tori Sei merch ahhhhhhh

>>15489426
>Nijisanji already sold out
>Hololive struggling to sell much
Yes. Yes.

>>15489478

In other news, Wactor chuuba Hina Misora doxxed herself live, literally blasting her name to like 1.5k people by mistake.

Now let's see how it all goes down for the future prospects of HoloNijiES.

>>15489426
really? source?

>>15489585
There's still plenty of people waiting outside so I guess they're observing Covid restrictions. Should've let niji management handle this, they'd bypass that in a flash.

>>15489696
Matsuri also showed her real name live.

>>15489426
>make a claim
>not providing proof for said claim
yeah sure and gura's members stream has 1M viewers right now btw, trust me

>>15489696
>literally blasting her name to like 1.5k people by mistake.
How? It's super careless

>>15489824
>>15489703

>>15489824
Let him live in his fantasy land, anon.
Nijisanji didn't bother to go to C99.

>>15489426
until there's a picture or a tweet from anycolor I'mma just call bs

So what ever happened to the Sony girls? How's that venture been going lately?

>>15489940
well easy 4 (you)s atleast

>>15489426
You sure? I can only find this about Niji on C99 https://twitter.com/myrmecoleon/status/1476354166222372864 and he said that he couldn't find Niji's booth

>>15490033
they already sold out and packed up the booth

>>15490021
Still 2views but the blonde cunny is ridiculously cute so who cares

>>15489940
Niji banning doujins and Hololive going to C99 really makes Anykara feel super mega corpo, which is really weird considering that they have the hip young ceo and Cover has an ojiisan.

>>15490117
kek

>>15490117
kek

>>15489940
>>15490033
Comiket is a dying event, Nijisanji doesn't need to show up there when their own expos and fan events are a lot more popular.

>>15490117
Have another free (you). Keep it coming so we can add to the Nijicope list

>>15490187
>Nijisanji doesn't need to show up there when their own expos and fan events are a lot more popular.

>>15490155
Comiket was a big thing when Tanigo was a teenager.

>>15490277
Time to compare who sells out the fastest

>>15488761
I want to have sex with staff-chan

Cover's having to limit 1 of an item per person. No buying 20 Marine goods and selling off 19 at exorbitant prices.

https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1476363277609631748

>>15490155
Hahahahahaha
Does nijicope really?
Nobody cares about your niji trash and nobody wants to draw them

>>15488858
Hey nice, 774 got a booth right next to hololive.

>>15489171
anon...
They aren't allowed to pack them in like sardines anymore. It's intentionally not crowded.

>>15489930
She literally played her interview audio as she was talking about stuff related to auditions.

>>15490033
>he said that he couldn't find Niji's booth
They don't care about this event? Even their twitter has nothing

>>15490432
There are few things worse than waiting for ages in line only to find out the limited supply thing you were waiting for is sold out. I swear Cover always lowballs apparently intentionally

I got home from C99 just now and got myself some Niji merch before they were sold out and pack up. I was surprised, by the time, I was lining up for Holo's merch, they were already gone.

>>15490033
Even Kamitsubaki have a booth? Fucking nice.

>>15490778
poorfag mentality please understand

>>15490033
so only hololive, 774, and kamitsubaki

>>15490232
i ain't him i just thought it would be funny

>>15490778
Limiting purchase quantity will ensure that they have merch for (almost) everyone though?

>>15490814

>>15490928
Yes, and also fuck scalpers

>>15490928
Do you know just how many people attend Comiket, anon?

>>15490976
Yes, and?

>>15490944
Cool. Are they selling any music?

>>15490187
Here is another one for the NijiCOPE list

>>15491039
Only goods that is limited to two per person.

>>15491036
Anon, that's the point; there would never be enough for everyone that attends.

Hololive line goes outside as well it looks like.

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