/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

inb4 "Perfect male" rant from the rejected anon

You already have Connor

They're waiting for me to audition. Sorry, I'm taking my time crafting the perfect video. You can't rush art.

Honestly speaking why would males choose holostars over nijisanji? I'm a massive holofag but it's obvious that holostars are treated like an afterthought. They got their own hologras this year and the only reason they were pushed forward was because they had a new wave. I'm pretty sure holos like aruran, roberu, gamma and astel would be way more popular in nijissanji (eventhough they're already super popular compared to their peers). Unless holo management does a miracle and makes these EOP normies watch holostars or attract all the chink yumes currently watching niji en, manjisanji would be the better place for male chuubas imo.

>>26416632
>is the pool of talent from western male creators so devoid of skill and showmanship
The most popular streamers in the world are all western men, so no.

The reason is that many (not all) guys who become vtubers do so because they have nothing better to offer creatively. As a guy you could be butt ugly or as out of shape as a log but if you have gaming skills or are moderately funny at reacting you will get views. As a woman you will never be funny or good at games and so you only get views for your looks.

Thus people see a guy vtuber and think "he must not have much else going on for him, doing a gimmick like that". Meanwhile people see a girl vtuber and think "whatever at least shes cute". Cover knows this and is very hesitant about male vtubers. This is why they keep holostars out of the spotlight.

Every male content creator who'd get a boost out of becoming a vtuber and joining a corp has already done so.
The only ones left are the really successful ones who have zero reason to join and the bottom of the barrel ones who Cover has no reason to hire.

>>26417245
To be an idol ofcourse

>>26417245
Holostars are treated like gods for how little they fucking matter, my dude. If not for Yagoo being the one keeping it alive i doubt they would still even exist, some higher up would have just fired them all by now i bet

>>26416632
Maybe they just haven't had someone they're happy with for the characters they have lined up. Reminder they have scrapped characters before on the girls side because they couldn't find the right match.

Cover will reject (You) and hire a boring talentless effeminate faggot in your stead because "that is what female fans want". Of couse, that never worked for them before, but it did not stop them from hiring two more for Uproar.

There are tons of serious grinding gamers that stream a ton and are actually good .
But I guess they want the Otaku streamers pool that is filled with groomers, autists, attention whores and weirdos

Here sucking me off

>>26416632
What does it matter? Just watch the Nijifaggots if you're that thirsty

>>26417618
I want to see western males interact with the stars

>>26417333
>Meanwhile people see a girl vtuber and think "whatever at least shes cute".
lmao, you think it's different for guys? do you think nijien males are popular because they're funny and good at games?

I hope they never come.

>>26417551
>>26417598
pls understand, japanese boomers think guys dont watch other guys. thus they want a "woman's man"

>>26417245
they are taking too much time
>took nijiEN 8 months to create a new branch and debut talents
>by nature this cause people to not branch out since they are 8months or less invested in holos
>only stand out talents got a consistent fanbase, mainly Pomu, Elira & Selen
>Luxiem debuted 6 months ago, Noctyx 4 months
>holostars by default won't get any mainland chinks

The branch already exists, don't know why they taking so long, as time passes less women will try new homos especially if those homos will likely not interact/collab with Nijisanji EN

>>26416632
They still can’t find any men that won’t bang the hololive girls

>>26417670
Yes. I know it's hard to watch streams for you but yes

And they are largely correct, looking at the Nijifag audience.

>>26417804
But they are OK with Bae's inclusion somehow?

>>26416632

I uniroically hope they postpone this project indefinitely.
Niji en has been ethnically displaced by chinese femcels, with the content taking a sharp downturn for the majority of branch members.

>>26417883
It’s not roberu’s fault every female vtuber wants to bang him

Can't wait for them to debut so I can ship them with each other and they can all have gay sex and kiss live on stream! Then I will draw doujinshi of them fucking each other! All male chuubas belong to fujoshi!

>>26417670
more men watch streams than women so the attractiveness audience has a lower ceiling. if a guy wants to be more than a self-insert for lonely cougars he needs to offer more. A female has no expectations so a cute voice+avi is all that they need.

>>26417988
Based fujo

>>26417985
And it's not Ame's fault that all of Holostars EN are teamates (you didn't hear that from me). That doesn't mean that Cover won't hire them.

>>26416632
they're unironically trying to find real gays for starsEN, just to avoid the boys from using starsEN as a platform to groom and fuck holoEN girls.

>>26416632
They looked and NijiEN and noped the fuck out.

>>26418177
Imagine a battle royale of HomoEN where they try to be the last teammate, would be really kino

>>26417618
I want to see a ENStar on Bar Robel

>homostars thread
>anons projecting and talking about fucking the girls again

>>26416632
if they had actual skill they wouldn't need to hide behind a 2D avatar in the first place

>>26416632
Cover can't find perfect candidates, the ones who want to joins want to have a way or get laid with the girls. Kek.

>>26417988
Just don't post it under my art tag and you can do whatever you want

>>26419407
>if they were better voice actresses, they wouldn't need hololive avatars
>if they were better singers, they wouldn't need hololive avatars
>if they were better entertainers, they wouldn't need hololive avatars
>if they were better simp magnets, they wouldn't need hololive avatars
>if they were better gamers, they wouldn't need hololive avatars

>>26416632
>she thinks starsEN is still happening
lol
lmao

>>26419686
Of course. I'm a veteran fujo, so I know how to tag properly. I don't want to see certain things so it's fair that other people don't want to see things I'm not into.

>>26416632
Nepotism hires for the boys.
Gura will get two in.
Mumei, Fauna and Mori will get one in.
Remember to memorize the voices.

>>26419301
Imagine infiltrating Hololive to collab with and fuck your JP oshi.
But enough talking about Bae.

>>26419715
Yes, this is all true.

>>26416632
EN3 will either be all males or co-ed. Too late now though the EN male hype has already died down and they will never reach Luxiem's success. Yagoo/Omega probably regrets not making Council a male group.

they wanted a piece of the pie when they saw luxiem, had hesitations when Noctyx didn't do so well, and probably noped the fuck out seeing the kind of fanbase the Nijiboys ended up getting

They can easily get out of it by saying they couldn't find anyone qualified enough. It makes them look like they have high standards and makes their existing talents look even better

>>26419715
I know you are being ironic, but it's low-key true. The only exceptions are Ina and Sana who are talented illustrators and a few of the JP girls are pretty enough to be successful e-girls.

> Cover usually takes months and months to release new gens in all branches

> People complaining about the wait

Has anyone even actually watched Hololive?Has anyone even actually watched Hololive?

>>26420039
>had hesitations
>noped the fuck out
And how do you know this? The only thing we are aware of is that they released auditions forums looking for EN males. Stop making shit up.

>>26419828
>Gura will get two in.
Gura hates Holostars

>>26418728

You wish they would, but when rival companies collide, it's impossible to not look at the other one's feats. It's like Sony and Sega going 3d and Nintendo would be "We are only going for 2d games onwards." Holo stars en gonna happen sooner or later.

Beyblade...

>>26420184
She has collabed with males in the past. She's just scared of Chumbuddies

>>26420219
Kaoru?

>>26420137
lol no

>>26420233
*uproar announced*
>*radio silence*
*ID 3 announced*
>"They're cute". Yeah, obviously, they're GIRLS!

>>26420246
Yeah. At least we know he's got some good things in life.

>>26420333
honestly, if he was still around with Kira, they would be pretty popular now

>>26420209
Yeah, their feats of attracting unhinged people, being unhinged themselves, and catering to a population they want to distance themselves from. Sounds perfectly reasonable that they'd want those for themselves. Yup.

>>26420137
> Myth - july, 2020
> Council - July, 2021

Idk anons... I see a pattern here

>>26420424
No no no, you don't get it h-holofag. Nijisanji is totally winning now that their "talent" has regular and public nervous breakdowns and actively antagonizes and insults the people they financially rely on. W-winning!

>>26420481
>2 more weeks of june left
>zero marketing
>zero advertising

>>26420481
???
Myth was in September you absolute retard

>>26420481
>>26420833
The dumbass cube video was posted on August 1 and Council debuted August 23

>>26419985
starsEN will never reach Luxiem's success because the won't have chinese audience anyway.

>>26420880
Ironically enough, he proved the point of this anon >>26420137

I just want a shota

>>26420424

The first 3d games looked like elementary school geometry exercises, that didn't stop Nintendo from doing super Mario 64...

Reminder that these are companies first and foremost, do you think they really spend their days on reddit and 4chan? no, they are looking at the graphs and Niji males can be shitty as they want, they still have money you wouldn't let your rival grind in your stead.

>>26420833
>>26420880
>>26420908
>>26420931

I was talking about the period when they channels are created. All of them are around july, so we probably can try to find the Stars Channels in this period if we look for them

>>26420039
Why do you fags constantly shit on the males' fanbase as if any of the females of either company are any better? You're just making yourself look worse

>>26416632
they couldn't find anyone who didn't want to bed the girls

They're all hiding from Mori.

>>26420942
But it'll be too dangerous. There are too many predators in Hololive.

>>26420137
What is there to watch? They don't stream.

>>26421081 (Me)

have said that. All debuts took place just a few months after this period where the channels are created, so probably in August or September we should have something more solid about them if they really going to happen... There's the StarsJP anniversary event this month, maybe there's an announcement there

>>26416632
Who would want to work in a group that will be dead on arrival.

>>26421077
>Reminder that these are companies first and foremost
Hence why they would not go with nijisanji's unstable current model. There is a reason why hololive is the market leader, and it's because they're not nijisanji.

>>26419879
Bae is a inspiration to us all. One day I hope to be mating pressed by bossu and oga. And Kiara.

>>26421423
I remember they said the same thing about NijiEN when they announced Luxiem... And then look at the irony of fate. Haven't we learned to ignore what anons on 4chan say?

>>26421506
who are they going to attract dude, luxium worked because they tapped an untapped market, all other "idol" boy groups are just going to be tapping the same market they might pick up some old luxium fans who dropped luxium but who the hell want's those nutcases in their fanbase

>>26421876
ENgirls viewers. This is the market they should tapping, because Luxiem tapped the SEAviewer market

In other words, the EN market has not yet being truly tapped with a group. Look, I'm not going to try to convince you, as it would be tiring for both of us and I'm sure that neither you nor I will enter this discussion with an open mind enough to take in count the opinion of the other

>>26421876
kill yourself numberfag

cover doesn't want men that's why it put high requirements

>>26421091
The NijiEN guys' fanbase scares me more than the fandead did, they have some genuine nutcases who made earnest death threats over a stream being interrupted
This has kinda always been the difference between the big agency fanbases though, hololive fans get mad at their own oshi and niji fans get mad at everyone else

Why are these threads always filled with children that, forget vtubing, streaming or even entertainment, don't even know what jobs or work is.

>>26422418
Kill yourself femcel. You will never be thin.

>>26416632
I think I held things back for a few months because ghosted cover after making past the final auditions

>>26422989
It's because most of them are mentally ill fags. Most of the vtuber audience is somewhat nerdy straight guys. Imagine what happens when you replace that group with a bunch of guys who were raped as children and are now STD-ridden drug addicts. Bad times.

>>26422186
>ENgirls viewers.
Might as well not exist, think about how many non-asian females that like anime AND watch streamers there are, one of those is already a niche within a niche

>>26422989
>they have some genuine nutcases
>some
As if Gura does not. Imagine if a dude messaged her in the middle of any stream whatsoever, let alone a dating ASMR stream. Do you really think the cumcucks are going to stay silant?
I swear, seeing how hypocritical /vt/ is makes you sympathize with scrote-hating feminists.

>>26424025
Which is why nijisanji is going down in flames, while hololive isn't. Something like that would never happen in hololive.

>>26421161
Noels the tamest of the preds too

>>26424025
Literally every time there's been some sort of male interaction yab in hololive all anyone's done is bitch at the holo or stop watching them, they didn't start sending death threats to the other party

>>26424429
>they didn't start sending death threats to the other party
They only send death threats when Temma's 3D debut delays Subaru's concert.

But I want to be the girl. I ain't making the same mistake as Kronii.

Be honest lads, how many of you applied? Any luck so far in terms of responses or nah?

>>26416632
They are waiting for another Rushia level yabai to happen in order to drop them and make people forget about the yab. This has always been their strategy for debuts.

Why would anyone willingly become a holostar?
You're debuffed by the idol shit, you'll most likely be segregated, the poor shmucks sent out to die as a first wave won't have anyone to collab with due to the insular nature of HoloEN.
Its fucking terrible. What really sucks is that the Niji boys collab a ton with the stars and I have no doubt the NijiEN boys would do the same, but they won't be allowed cause ???

Either way, its just a fuck awful day, Niji is much greener pastures for male vtubers.

>>26425659
because i like the boys, fame isn't everything, and Nijien doesn't allow the en boys and girls to collab with anyone from hololive.

>>26417245
Holostars had a new wave?

>>26416632
Hololive may look somewhat similar to Niji at a glance by content/themes etc but behind the scenes they run completely fucking different regarding boys/girls. They want something that the Western talent pool just isn't geared to do - host-club like dudes, idol-like dudes etc.

Your average "big vtuber fan" neckbeard, SEAkid etc trying to get in to go groom his oshi? They don't want that. They don't want to validate those peoples' fucking months/years of "what about the males!?" disingenuous whining demanding that male holos exist just so they can get in to go groom Ame etc. Vtuber groomers are fucking everywhere all over discords and shit and of fucking course they'll whine and stamp their feet that they don't have an easy "in" on these girls pretending that they really-really care about holostars even though they auspiciously never get talked about (you see more talk on them here on /vt/ than anywhere else basically). Cover sees through that game, or at least they are aware of it.

Probably their ideal picks would be guys who didn't even fucking care about vtubers and/or already verifiably have GFs or wives so they aren't remotely as tempted to go mess with the holos. As far as I can glean, Vox didn't know shit about chuubas before but that didn't really matter for shit. It really is not necessary at all when the aim is to go after girls' hearts whether or not you're a big Pekora fan. You're not gonna fucking collab with her, and more importantly your target audience probably doesn't care too much about her vs you and if anything might get mad if you signal you value peko more than them, etc.

>>26425709
Thankfully hololive mostly doesn't allow it either.

>>26425998
NijiEN is literally host club dudes and the most popular holostars actively discourage gachikois
In fact the most popular content from by far the most popular member of holostars is him collabing with fucking Mea of all people

Why do people keep comparing Holostars to Nijisanji EN instead of JP?

>>26427014
NijiJP has males that are more successful than NijiEN. Not sure what your point is

>>26427067
You mean Kuzuha

>>26427136
Nippleboy is doing very well. And he is nowhere near the top.

>>26426223
They all discourage gachikois, Izuru still goes further and criticizes without mercy

>>26416632
They're filtering the fucks who just want in to fuck the Holos

>>26422186
>ENgirls viewers
You don't watch the Stars, you haven't seen how Rikka got absolutely fuck all from Spiral Tones other than being know as "that guy who once sang with Mori", none of the guys who were on that Gartic collab saw any significant growth and Roberu gets more viewers collabing with literally anyone outside of Holopro. The absolute majority of EN viewers are not much different from JP viewers and they don't give a shit about the Stars. It's pure cope to say they're more accepting and it's only a couple thousand of pitty subs and beggars who can't shut their fucking mouths about how "underrated" they are.

Say hello to the debut generation of Holostars EN!

>>26416632
They likely are having a problem of finding a male western content creator who is capable of doing actual idol activities on top of regular streamer shit too.

>>26416632
I'm not interested in esports garbage so yes, the talent pool is devoid of skill and showmanship. Holostars is small despite having access to Japanese males familiar with the culture, because males are universally unentertaining. I don't want to watch cringy anituber tier niggas, I avoid watching trash taste, nijisanji, and other indie males and avoid interacting with their fans in real life as much as possible. Don't even get me started on the /v/tards applying.

They want someone that actually has plans for the future, you know, a performer. Of course it's going to be hard to find someone that wants to actually grow and expand and has plans to do so but it is not like they cannot lower their expectations a little, for at least some of the candidates

>>26416632
Hi I'm part of Holostars EN and they've already picked us and gave us our briefings. We'll be debuting in the coming months once we get through our training.

>>26428099
i'm honestly expecting losers like YandereDev and Cryaotic to apply.

>>26428625
>males are universally unentertaining
Are you stupid. Look at any real entertainment industry, are you telling me female comedians are better than male ones?

>>26417245
>I'm a massive holofag
And I'm a massive starsfag, that's about the biggest factor for most of their good applicants I think. Even the stars admit that niji is the better company for males in terms of things like viewers and money, etc. so they'd only join if they're deciding factor is something other than those. That or maybe they just don't want to act like faggots all the time idk

>>26428099
this is the cold truth. the holostars will be absolute losers and likely fags. once the irl personas get leaked they will be ruined.

>>26419805
Older fujos are always the best. The young ones are the fucking annoying ones that throw it in people faces and get hated like disgusting insects. I respect you, self-aware fujo anon.

>>26417399
To the surprise of no one 'we could treat you way worse, you pieces of shit' isn't a selling point for anybody who could pass an audition.

>>26416632
>where are the boys?
amazon prime

>>26430529
Just like the NijiEN dudes?

>>26425659
>Why would anyone willingly become a holostar?
Because I like the stars.
>You're debuffed by the idol shit
I want to be an idol, and have confidence I can easily turn it into a buff with a twist or two here and there.
>you'll most likely be segregated
Thank fucking GOD. There's some good ones in en, but there are far too many Ollies, Kroniis, Moris, etc. So the division gives me a great excuse to shoot down anyone I don't want ruining my streams and anyone I think can actually add to them I'll try my luck with, otherwise a streamer should be entertaining on their own without collabs required.
>won't have anyone to collab with due to the insular nature of HoloEN.
They do, just not in the EN sphere, which is fine because they're all fucking shit. What do you want them to do, collab with faggot ridden niji en or the garbage heap that is Vshojo, or worse, the indies? The jp stars do a ton of networking and friend making, and they've got people who speak english well enough that all you have to do is ask your senpai nicely to introduce you.

>>26428099
CWC would be good as a chuuba actually for how entertaining his extreme actual-autism is. It'd be actually, incredibly hilarious seeing some handsome ikemen anime guy but with that voice coming out prattling on about Sonic, love quests, and those online trolls. Would draw a crowd for sure but probably just of dudes who find him funny.

>>26425998
it's cringe as fuck that you typed all of that as projection for your personal desire to fuck holos.

>>26425444
I don't have any experience creating content or streaming, so I didn't apply, but I fantasize about it.

>>26442104
Nah I really don't care to, more like I'm @'ing all the faggot groomers out there who have a years long epic plan to get into holostars to go groom their oshis. If you have ever talked with or actually-known random little dude chuubas on twitch, like 80% of them ultimately have that as their plan FYI. I have 0 faith in most of the people applying and wouldn't mind if cover rejected literally every single one if every single one was insincere about why they're applying.

>>26425444
I have to finish my application :c

>>26427960
Fucking this.

why does every holostars en thread end up becoming a whining fest of jp stars? everyone said males wouldn't work in the west and vox beat out a ton of females. the only reason you think males wouldn't work in the west is because you're a fucking unwashed penis on 4chan and don't realize how massive the fujo and yumejo audience there is in the west.

>>26425444
I gave it a shot. My video was dropped by whoever watched it seven seconds in. I'll try again in three months or so with a better script and some better voice training.

>>26455072
>in the west.
nijimales fans are chinks and SEAs

>>26416632
Hopefully cancelled.

>>26455335
comments like this is what happens when your only vision of reality comes from cherrypicked screencaps on 4chan

>>26416632
Because real talents don't need L2D avatar to be successful anon

>>26455100
What where your first seven seconds? This is extremely important to nail.

>>26455100
If you could link it to us...

They're probably still trying to catch lightning in a bottle like they did with Myth

>>26456488
Don't listen to the false prophet, you are auditioning for a role where your identity is kept secret, publicly showing it off is a bad idea and can indirectly show you might not be able to keep an nda

>>26417245
It would be a gamble to choose HoloEN over Nijisanji.
Nijisanji is more safe since it's proven Nijimale will get you success. Even as the bottom earner, you still make a respectable amount.
But who knows if Hololive's reach could send the entire generation into Vox territory.

>>26456917
>Even as the bottom earner, you still make a respectable amount.
the same as holostars my man
and just being niji and male does not mean you will get success on a silver plate.

>>26458001
They don't gain in supas, they gain in merch and membership

>>26458567 (me)
Just to be clear, I'm not criticizing. is a complement to your point

>>26458567
which are arguably more important and makes more money then superchats

>>26458001
>and just being niji and male does not mean you will get success on a silver plate.
The NijiEN guys are still all doing better than 99% of the Stars (Roberu is the only one who kinda competes with them).

>>26467064
unless you are this dude
or one of the formerd ID/KR blocks
hell even Gwelu sometimes dips to 600-800 viewers
point being you need to put in work and not fuck up to get somewhere in nijisanji. it has higher highs but also lower lows with less of a support net

>>26468136
"The NijiEN guys". Please read before you reply. And if you really want to get underperformers just pick anyone from ID or KR (or IN if you're feeling funny).

>>26416632
My boy Joseph Anderson withdrew his application in the middle of the auditions throwing the whole project into chaos.

>>26419805
holy fucking based i can only hope to one day pull classy and functionally insane fujos like this

>>26455455
See >>26419715
that did not stop the girls.

>>26468136
>pic
Still better than uyu

>>26456280
My greeting was probably too weak of a hook, yeah.

>>26456488
No way I'm showing that. I'll remain anonymous.

>>26455418
shu has a lot of japs but the amount of "western" fans is still low

>>26455418
Even the JOPs are wise to it anon

>>26429730
>Look at any real entertainment industry, are you telling me female comedians are better than male ones?
Depends on what that industry is about. You wouldn't want most porn to become males-only, for example. Similarly, a large part of what makes vtubing appealing is seeing cute, wholesome girls do things, something you don't see anywhere else nowadays. If you want to watch men be courteous to women, you can watch any random nice guy's stream.

>>26475676
I mean, the mandarin duolingo stream spoke for itself.

hopefully they cancel this trainwreck
leave this shit to nijisanji

>>26477140
Gay porn is super hot anon. Especially if it involves electroplay and fisting.

>>26479254
If they maintain the same standards as JP Stars then the worst that can happen is even more numberfag shitposting
Or maybe adding a 5000th item to the list of reasons anons seethe about Mori when she collabs with one

Obligatory
>They had no good applicants! Trust me, a SEAnigger on a SEAnigger gossip forum!!!!

When in reality they aren't even supposed to come until 1-2 months after EN3 but OP is a newfag and this thread is newnigger tourist bait

>Unironically comparing HoloStars to the NijiEN males ITT
Are you niggers unironically fucking retarded?
Seriously?
The difference is obvious I don't get how you braindead niggers don't see it

>>26417245
It's like the WNBA. Doesn't matter how shit you are, if you get in you're golden.

>>26417245
>First males ever buff
>Tons of Holofans have wanted males since forever
>You get the EN buff
StarsEN will be as big if not bigger than Council. I don't see why anons pretend like they'll be unpopular/StarsJP level.
Obviously not as popular as some NijiENs because they rely on chinks so they can't have that buff

>>26416632
I honestly think they only did this to calm down twitter faggots and possibly their investors too until they forget everything and move on.

>26480432

>>26480767
there's absolutely no reason to think they won't be popular retardchama

>26480812
If you're blind and delusional, maybe.

I will ask why you think they won't be popular but I know you literally have no clue other than
>Uhh males bad
Despite NijiEN already proving you wrong

>>26468279
>just pick anyone from ID or KR (or IN if you're feeling funny)
They don't exist, anon. Those branches are dead

>>26480228
No, HolostarsEN should be unapologetic and /vt/ unicucks should kill themselves.

>>26480228
>i-if o-only they walk on a thin line and try to no break any eggs then everything will be fine
Fuck off

>26480885
Projecting too much? Because you're literally acting like shitposters and false-flaggers who like to spam this board with StarsEN shit. Here's the thing, friend, if you truly believe there's a good amount of Hololive fans who want StarsEN then you don't watch streams and the only places you go are the subreddit on the monthly thread that gets more than 100 replies about this topic or specific Twitter circles thato can't shut up about it. If you payed attention you'd see that the absolute majority of collabs with Hololive get piss poor numbers and the Stars gain fuck all from them (go on, use Astellie as the single counter example to this for the 400th time). All the complaints about them being underrated and shit never translate into stream numbers, even if there's only one Stars member streaming out of all of Holopro. And here's a funny thing: their ccv barely changed from how it was in late 2020. Maybe the most popular members who aren't Roberu and Astel got a 50-100 increase in viewers on average, but most of them look like they're stuck on time other than the few special streams here and there. There's literally nothing that indicates a StarsEN will be "as big if not bigger than Council", but you're allowed to believe in whatever delusion that makes you sleep better at night. Just don't mald when they debut and get marginally better metrics than StarsJP.

>>26481207
Comparing StarsJP, an audience who caters to the Japanese in a culture that holds the women over men
to
StarsEN and NijiENMales, an audience who caters to English speakers in a culture who holds both men and women the same (and with Niji seemingly males > women)
it's utterly retarded to think StarsEN won't succeed. You're trying to compare apples and oranges with JPstars and NijiENMen. Stop

>>26481207
>Just don't mald when they debut and get marginally better metrics than StarsJP.
NTA but I'm gonna grudge you when they debut
Kindly tell me the best general to do it in so I can get you easier
I assume hlgg

>>26481311
And HoloEN's audience grew out of fucking nowhere with Cover just going "Hey, maybe a EN branch would be a good idea" because translated clips never existed, right? The only metric we have right now is StarsJP, just like the only metric we had back in September of 2020 was HoloJP. NijiJP males were already, on average, doing quite well and weren't 10x less popular than the female members on average, and lo and behold NijiEN guys also did great. If there was this imaginary critical mass of Western fans who wanted a StarsEN they would at least watch more clips, covers/orisongs and big streams from the current Stars members, but either that fanbase is incredibly incompetent that they're unable to just listen to a song or they don't exist. I think we know which one is more likely.

>>26481359
Sure. Whatever. Go grudge with the voices in your head if they end up being more successful than at least most of ID.

>>26481497
The problem with Stars is everyone thinks they're like NijiEN and just do BFE and pander to fujos, which is the exact opposite of their actual content

>>26481535
>which is the exact opposite of their actual content
We literally have no clue how the new Stars will be

>>26481558
I'm talking about JP stars anon, although there's no reason to assume EN stars will be different
I still remember all the doomposting about how HoloEN would be a bunch of twitch whores and they basically turned out to be an EN version of Hololive gen 1/2

>>26481558
And what makes you so sure they will try to emulate Luxiem? Uproar just debuted and none of them do hardcore pandering, and it's not like Nijisanji never had guys like that before.

Is it naive of me to think EN3 is going to be a massive success? Compared to council they don't really have the pressure to follow up on what Myth was. Also with council being nuked by susan early on and Sana's early hiatus ruining momentum/chemistry EN3 has a promising aspect to them. If cover does what they did with holox I think they could be a stronger gen than council. Given that they use all of the opportunities to shine.

>>26481670
>And what makes you so sure they will try to emulate Luxiem?
Where did you see that in my post retard?
I just said we have no clue how they'll be because it's the truth. Niggers screeched about Myth being the exact same as Vshojo and they're the exact opposite. WE literally can't say for sure how StarsEN will be

>>26481726
>Is it naive of me to think EN3 is going to be a massive success?
You're a retard if you think they'll be "less popular than the IDs" like this retard >>26481497
EN speakers aren't the same as the Japanese audience

>>26480885
>Despite NijiEN already proving you wrong
But they prime example of proving it's right statement.

>>26481730
Well, if these people used HoloJP as a starting point they wouldn't reach the wild conclusion that HoloEN would be like Twitch whores, and right now the only thing we can use as a starting point is StarsJP, because that will give us the only hints of what kind of guys Cover is interested in hiring.

>>26481808
Sure thing, anon. Then explain to me why Re:Hello World still hasn't crossed the 500k views mark while Spiral Tones is at 1.1 million.

>>26481947
I literally say in that post that the Japanese care more about women than men you dumb nigger and how the EN audience doesn't think this way
Actually fucking read what you reply to

>>26416632
I don't have high hopes, but I auditioned.
t. a 35yo married dad

>>26482039
>I auditioned.
Why do you /here/niggers even audition
I know you have 0 content creation experiecne
The fuck is the point you're just wasting the scouting team's time

>>26416632
Fuck off you goddamn homo

>>26482064
8/11 HoloEN members were /here/posters before auditioning. in NijiEN probably everyone was a /here/poster.

>>26482169
>8/11 HoloEN
Difference is people who were /here/ made fucking content meanwhile niggers like >>26482039 and everyone else on this board who says they applied don't do or make anything at all and just post thinking they'll get in
Not only do you need to just make content but it more than likely has to have been for longer than 2 years (aka before HoloEN started)

>>26482036
Mori presented Rikka to a Western audience in 4 different times, one of them to 60k+ viewers. You're acting like nobody, not a single soul in the West is interested in StarsJP but somehow want StarsEN, while ignoring the entire process that made HoloEN possible. We can go on talking about the differences between JP and Western fanbases forever, but they're not streaming on Niconico or Mildom or any site that's extremely unfriendly to people who don't know Japanese. They're using the same platform the HoloJP girls are using. You know, those who got popular in the west back in 2020. But apparently that never happened and I'm just having a strong case of delirium.

>>26482247
>You're acting like nobody, not a single soul in the West is interested in StarsJP but somehow want StarsEN

>EN speakers don't know Japanese
>EN speakers know English
How is it that hard to understand retardchad?

>>26482036
>EN audience doesn't think this way
Imagine believing that. If anything it's likely even worse, since tons of real streamers means almost no one is really interested in male vtubers.

>>26482247
Why the FUCK would an EN speaker watch a StarsJP????

>>26482302
>no one is really interested in male vtubers
Do you indie reps immediately corpo-only watcher

They opened Holostars EN auditions to stop the people crying on twitter about it. They don't actually plan to fill it since Niji has shown you basically just get fujos and CN is a no go zone. Western women don't want to watch vtubers.

If they luck into a few home runs they might but i really think it's just cover so twitter people shut up.

>>26482278
>>26482311
You can't be serious, right? You guys can't be this dumb, right? Did 2020 never happened? Were you guys on a coof coma for the entirety of that year?

>>26482437
>They don't actually plan to fill it
Kindly see >>26481359

>>26482247
Rikka doesn't get clips. A bunch of people watched the ones of Roberu NightMea though
From this we can conclude the EN audience wants to watch a male idol desperately fend off advances from a dirty whore

>>26482466
That's when EN debuted dumbass
Aka EN watchers had EN streamers to watch
And lets not pretend Coco and Haachama (JPs who spoke the most English) weren't popular due to that reason

>>26482520
Motherfucker a bunch of people were watching the other JPs who didn't spoke an iota of English. You're acting like Coco and Haachama were the only members who had English viewers and I seriously don't know if you're retarded, a newfag or a shitposter. The Myth girls also watched them, you know? Or you actually believe they're lying and just saw "big numbers contract" and tried to get in?

>>26482649
EOPs watched people like Korone and Miko because them reacting to a video game with funny noises passed for content
The closest Stars gets to that is Astel insulting his Apex teammates

Holostarjp is a thing also because the men are professionals and respectful. Western men would have yabs simply because we're their opposite, a lot of us speak what's in our mind since we're an outspoken culture, which would sent some of the managers over the edge.

>>26482039
I also auditioned. I'm halfway through the month deadline and I know someone's watched my thing for only two seconds thanks to google analytics. hopefully its just an intern saving or storing videos for later... good luck and happy late father's day bro

>>26482823
t. said Myth would be Vshojo tier

>>26482484
It helps that the algorithm seems to favor Roberu and Astel above any other star. Since there is a channel that only clips Temma's streams and channels that clip to all members equally

>>26482649
A majority of newfags eop that subscribed to hololive found out through Miko nigger moment when it first happened. Stop denying reality.

>>26460620
>which are arguably more important and makes more money then superchats
This is only true for shit tier holos like Roboco.

>>26416632
Holostars will be full of nepotism, all their boyfriends will be hired.

>>26482978
Anon, Gura grosses about 2 million dollars a year from membership. That's more than the highest superchat earning year ever by anyone

>>26483105
NTA but
>2 million dollars
-30%
-30%
-Taxes
There you go

>>26483144
I did say gross, and those also apply to superchats

>>26482964
But I'm not? A lot of people got introduced by it, or by Fubuki scatman, or by whatever the fuck Coco and Haachama were doing. But here's the keyword: introduced. You can't seriously say that every single EOP watched those clips and just ignored them for the rest of their lives, especially when everyone saw a tangible growth in all metrics around that time before Myth. People here are acting like StarsEN will magically grow a huge fanbase that was never there for StarsJP, which completely goes against to what happened with HoloEN.

>>26428099
unironically I want a boomer shubba

>>26422989
that's mostly vox fault he filter his fanbase to be these schizo to farming fencel gachikois

I've learned that the two loudmouths have potential as a unit.

>>26482828
It’s not happening bro

Anyone using the argument of
>You don't watch the JP males!
is an idiot. I don't watch most of the JP females because I don't speak fucking Japanese. Occasionally I put on Fubuki because she streams consistently or Pekora because she's a consistent meme but for fucks sake I'll turn off the Indo girls because they're speaking Indonesian

I'll buy that they can't find a guy who can be a male idol in the west I've been to anime karaoke and hahahaha fuck the Frank Sinatra types aren't exactly out there in spades you know?

>>26416632
nah. 1. they saw that holostars flopped so no thank you. 2. they would likely prefer to be under niji than holo these days. luxiem and noctyx say hello.

>>26483144
>-30%
Yes Youtube takes 30%
>-30%
We do not know how much goes to cover to pay for staff, electricity, studio, suits, models, outfits, ect ect. We do know that Fubuki negotiated for a lower rate at some point for all of JP but we have no idea what this rate is. It could be 35 of the remaining 70 it could be 10 of the remaining 70, but you do not know
>Taxes
they are inevitable just like Thanos.
But to go further on this, Memberships are what we call Steady Income from Volatile Sources. You can make a good guess how much money a month you will get from memberships per month with a good degree of accuracy. It will never be exact but unless you blow your foot off midstream its going to be around that.
Superchats are Volatile Income, you do not know how much will come in a given stream and you may have to turn it off for certain ones.
Merch itself is Volatile too but with only dealing with Cover's rate. Which may or may not be different then the super chat if there is any. On the whole this has the potential to make more money if it fully sells out and reprints have to be done.
So the order of importance will almost be this Memberships <---> Merch ------------------> Superchats -> Cover's base Salary.

>>26490333
3+ Viewers puts you above average
10+ viewers puts in the popular slot
50+ viewers puts you in the top 10% of streamers
100+ Puts you in the top 1% of viewers

>>26490501
I need a source for those numbers I refuse to believe my infrequent streaming habits has me near or above 50% of streamers

>>26418647
Kek

>>26490747
They're actually too high. 20 viewers puts you in the top 1%.

>>26491085
And yet they still don't provide source... curious...

>>26491129
>>26491085
Wait fuck I actually looked it up 20 - 50 viewers HAHAHAHA holy shit what the fuck? HAHAHAHA I remember getting those numbers during a casual pokemon stream jesus fuck HAHAHAHA what does this say about the hobby/industry?

>>26491325
It’s over saturated as fuck and you had no clue what you were talking about until then. Why do you think people hop on metas so easily.

>>26491426
Bruh I stream because it forces me to keep going, I still only stream during a harvest moon when capricorn is in retrograde or whatever but if numbers like that means I am doing good then fuck it I'll stream more often

>>26491085
Twitch or Youtube? I remember reading a crazy statistic something along the lines of having more than 10+ viewers puts you above average on twitch

>>26491571
That's data from Twitch, but I would expect Youtube to be comparable or worse since it has extremely poor discovery features

>>26486138
stay mad because people tried to do something while you're still here

>>26491497
and how many years ago was this

>>26416632
>where are they?
Nijisanji.

>>26494210
Last year :) I didn't even do promo fuck twitter I stream for fun

>>26417670
Those are catered to Chinese cougars though, they don't really pull the numbers other streamers do. The bald eagle Asmongoloid can pull numbers that Roberu would never dream of.

Sexo con Izuru.

>>26494374
Yeah that explains a lot

>>26416632
I will put in my audition THIS WEEK FOR SURE
TODAY IF I HAVE THE HOUSE TO MYSELF
SICKNESS HATE

>>26495381
good luck bro

>>26416632
when has a lack of skill or talent ever stopped Cover from hiring someone?

>>26495381
So if you want a quick and easy way to way to do some DYI sound proofing grab your comforter blanket if you have one. Normally you would drape it over walls, Doors, Windows and noise appliances but I'm assuming you only have one. So you can drape it over yourself and your mike if you prop it up correctly to help drown out your outgoing sound and peoples incoming sound.

>>26495922
Name one in EN or Stars

>>26495678
>>26496928
thanks. In case any of you have any idea what to do, what NEEDS to be included in the audition?
I think I can fill up three minutes but they want five, and I'd rather not bullshit/sing for the last two minutes.
also GOOGLE HATE

>>26498044
Wouldn't be a bad idea to get a rough idea of who you'd want your "character" to be to show some creativity. The forms say you don't need a character model as it won't be used but they do want the audition to be somewhat in-character. Take a look at some of the debut streams and see how the idols go over their likes/dislikes and their goals/interests and whatnot. should give you some more time. Also, writing some lore about your "character" in the description of the video also helps, though if they actually read it or not has yet to be seen.

>>26498044
A good hook in the first five-seven seconds, setting up who you are and what your character is in the first minutes, the rest can be about your goals, likes, skills, and plans. Singing should only possibly be 30 seconds if you claiming it as a talent and don't have a video to back it up. All of this should also be vaguely in character.

Bro, Is this thread not over yet? And now the anons are actually helping someone? Berry, you fucked up the timeline again!

>>26499223
Also forgot to add, bullshitting is part of the job you want to be able to randomly fill in 2 minutes with something without breaking the stream flow.

>>26498303
gonna piggyback off this since i forgot and say you shouldn't or at least try not to mention any of the other idols in your video. Remember, this is about YOU. Also, try not to say "uh" or "um" a lot but that's basic stuff.
>>26499996
gonna add onto this and say if you have trouble bullshitting try to go more in detail on a thing you like or a thing you dont like and if you can, get a short story out of said thing you like/don't like.

I hope I have a chance to properly thank you, P-san anons, but for now, know that I have read and acknowledged your advice. I have to go find something to eat immediately though because it's been 3 days since my last meal.

>>26455100
better than my view time at least. they got two seconds in and dropped mine

I'm a starsfag but I honestly don't have a problem if your oshi is an EN girl as long as you aren't retarded like the rrat and say it in your debut, otherwise that shit will be associated with you forever and most likely cause trouble for the girl as well ("yo did you know that anon has you as his oshi? collab when?" in every stream.) Though I still believe anyone applying to have a chance in collabing with his oshi instead of shooting the shit with the boys and having drinks with them when you fly to Japan for your 3D debut is a massive faggot.

>>26501971
two second club boys. we'll get em next time or its an intern saving videos r-right? ;-; regardless im not giving up hope
>>26455100
don't give up hope until the whole month is over! i have faith in us auditionchads

>>26502332
I don't neccesarily want to shoot the shit with the boys (I'm VERY open to it, but I don't want to set myself up for dissapointment), but I don't want to collab with my oshi either. Just relieve my popular period, if only for a few fleeting years.

>>26416632
IF HOLO EN ADDS MALES I WILL simply not watch them

>>26502890
>IF HOLO EN ADDS MALES I WILL simply not watch them

YOU WILL WATCH THEM AND YOU WILL FIGHT THE URGE TO MATING PRESS THEM

>>26502486
interns saving videos would be if they dropped 30 seconds to a minute in. Intro hooks are hard but you guys can do it. Remember you don't need to get your name out their right off the bat nor do you need to say what you do as you can just show with the script and any video you put in.

You guys are putting in clips of what you can do right?

>>26503337
oh. well, shit. does this mean i can delete my audition video?

>>26482828
they opened it to check if they could recognize you as a streamer, paused the video to hover over the time bar and see if you do anything interesting, noticed nothing and closed the tab and removed you from the screening process. tough luck buddy

>>26503064
I will accept males if they're mostly cute twinks

>>26503642
If you're planning on reapplying in 3 months? I wouldn't. It shows your growth and you taking an actual look at what you have done and a desire to improve what you put out.

>>26428099
CWC, DSP, and LTG would actually attract huge crowds and make big bucks for company because of how much of lolcows they are. Usual viewers would be disgusted but trolls, dudebros, and yak fetish forum browsers would love seeing them fuck up or getting trolled.
>>26428993
Those 2 won't pass. Former is just pathetic jew who does nothing but whines and lies, and latter is already cancelled and all shit about him have been leaked, even about his family, only absolute idiot would hire those 2.

>>26480885
If they go for an ''Idol route'' lets be honest it will fail miserabily, but if they can find someone like Sseth or jerma I can see it working out

>>26503775
>check if they could recognize you as a streamer
you imply that everyone who ever applied can immediately be recognized even if they were a 2view or otherwise.

>>26427014
Most of this board has never actually watched NijiJP boys which are actually massively different from NijiEn boys, none the less Holostars JP boys who're a lot less popular.

I'll only accept married men as holostarsEN, otherwise I'll hunt them down across the globe.
I am unmedicated and I am not joking

>>26417245
Didn't uproar boys have better SC numbers than 80% of nijijp? Plus with how Holostars shitting up new plastics every other day must made them decent money

>>26504286
I think the last metric we got is the stars make about 50k-100K per merch run

>>26417245
Basically no one truly chooses their company. Rejects in general is always a bullshit term no matter who you're calling one. The same people apply everywhere and take the offer that comes in because they want to vtube for a living and opportunities will always be far less common than talent.

Seriously have you fucks never gone around applying for work before.

>>26504346
In dollars? Welp that's decent amount of money

I support the /here/ holostars wannabes so here is some average advice. Your audition video should:
a) be recorded with absolutely 0 ums or uhs (write a fucking script)
b) show what your personality and talents are within 5 seconds (good voice, funny, loud, chill, sexy, whatever)
c) all of your best shit should be in the 1st 30 seconds

If B confuses you, go check out some high view clickbait garbage on youtube. Copy what they do or do something similar to immediately capture attention. Assume the person watching it is even more impatient and low attention span than you are. Spend a lot of time on it, but don’t overthink it so hard that you never send it off.

Source: just trust me

>>26504695
I'm literally Saul Goodman so I'm just gonna send this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqnHtGgVAUE

I hope there's a femboy. I need more rape bait material.

>>26488294
>I don't watch
>therefore no ones watches
Great argument. Really solid. I rate it -10/10.

>>26505415
Bob Odenkirk? What are you doing on /vt/? Are you planning to become a vtuber?

>>26505607
Bruh the JP chats are all Japanese, if EOP watched there'd be more 1 braincells like you in chat, especially considering people like Matsuri can keep up with English chats

>>26506354
>needing to understand chat to enjoy a stream
Go back to whatever hellhole you crawled out from Twitch. Also some Stars had way more English comments than JP a long time ago and it was fucking miserable.

>>26506945
no u

>>26420148
It is a plausible theory

>>26509470
Because its based on the fact that they wanted in because of Luxiem when this shit takes months to prepare for with personal, standards, scouting, money, at least 1 model being commissioned so they have something to audition for...
There's a lot of work involved in this shit and its not just lets open auditions because our competitor did it. That's how get NijiIN becoming NijiEN and flopping even harder

>>26416632
anon yagoo himself pleeded that the EN holostars is STILL ongoing, that just speaks volumes.

>>26509751
>yagoo himself pleeded
??

>>26509904
He made a post saying they're still reviewing apps I'm pretty sure there was an article
>>26509751
But for real though looking for someone who streams more than the average EN, isn't invested in their own brand that holo would be a downgrade, and fufills other requirements that they would select them, what prompted that tweet?

>>26510041
>He made a post saying they're still reviewing apps
he retweeted the hololive auditions tweet back in march 1st and there hasn't been anything since. it's been 4 months and still nothing. it's dead. no one made the cut.

>>26428752
Retarded baiter. If a 4chan user got it, then it is already doomed before it started.

>>26455072
BRAINDEAD THINKS IT'S THE WEST

>>26455100
4chan users are actually auditioning. It's fucking doomed.

>>26510041
Lets break this down
>looking for someone who streams more than the average EN
They aren't looking for this. Cover considers it a part time job, if you can stream 3 days a week you are fine
>isn't invested in their own brand that holo would be a downgrade
Cover isn't looking for this, this only affects if an application is made or a scout is accepted, and even then it can be worthwhile depending on the negotiations of the contract.
>fufills other requirements that they would select them
Vague
The tweet was prompted, because if this thread is anything to go by no one was showing their fucking work in the videos

>>26510526
>looking for someone who streams more than the average EN
>They aren't looking for this. Cover considers it a part time job, if you can stream 3 days a week you are fine

Fauna hasn't streamed 4 hours in the past month more than once, their request was 3 four hour streams which most of the current EN contracters don't fufill

and on the downgrade thing, all the EN tubers were invested content creators prior, men have to put more work into their brand because most of them sit in the pool of no views unless they pander or have a strong network to collab with.

last point is still agreed with, if no one fufills it like, what does it mean? They have JP male talents why did EN fall through so much that the figure head had to shout out a ganbatte?

>>26416632
OPchama hasn't figured out that starsEN is a big lie and that they are not coming. Cover corp talent scouts probably laughs at the people dumb enough to even submit a video during they're lunch breaks.

>>26510737
>their request was 3 four hour streams which most of the current EN contracters don't fufill

"This audition is available to those who fit the following criteria:
- You must be able to deliver content continuously for at least one year,
- You must be able to deliver content at least 3 times a week (content provided after getting home or on your days off while you're studying or working is fine),
- You have a proven track record as a content creator (including, but not limited to, gaming, music, and illustration), and
- You must be 18 years of age or older."
False its only 3 days a week. Unless you know something of their contracts, which I sincerely doubt you do. Also its not streams they are looking for but content. This could be per-recorded video or re-treamed karaokes. Hell twitcasting probably counts

>>26481311
"Culture that holds the women over men", then talks about NijiEN men over women. This retard thinks NijiJP with the same Japanese culture as HoloStars doesn't hold men over women, when the biggest livers in NijiJP are male. Absolute retard.

>>26510967
I swear those requirements have changed but oh well I don't know shit, still wondering why the figure head fealt it necessary to tell people to keep trying

>>26482828
Cope

>>26482064
you gotta play to win, anon

>>26511048
I still have the audition form from when EN2 was out. They were exactly the same,
It never changed, people have just kept saying it was streaming when it was general content creation (like illustrations and music creation). That it was certain hours because it was streaming when it was just you need to provide some form of work (unless you give notice) 3 times a week.
The only thing that changed was adding in the reapplication stuff.

>>26510976
This entire thread is a proof that people don't watch streams. It's obvious they wouldn't know about the male NijiJP members.

>>26482476
Keep coping fat fuck who auditioned

>>26488294
Who the fuck would want a Frank Sinatra type though?

>>26510441
>demand free entertainment
>refuse to financially support chuubas
>get butthurt when chuubas start pandering to those who financially support them
this is your brain on /vt/ retardation

>>26511479
Gura?

>>26511479
It was a comment on singing ability desu

>>26495381
You for sure can't get in if you can't even stream when your parents are home

>>26504121
I'll join you on the hunt

>>26498044
there's a video of someone who applied to Hololive/Holostars and got all the way to the interview portion, could try to check that out and see what he says

>>26512156
link it

>>26512277
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MePOKGdJXyw
hai, dozo

>>26512438
Thanks and welp he fucked his chances for any agency now.

>>26512570
if i remember, he didnt care that much and didnt actually expect to get all the way to the interview portion, mainly did the audition just to see what it was like

>>26512438
>zoom call for interviews
>can't even pronounce gura's name
this is just larp

>>26511491
>males
>chuubas
Retard-chama...

>>26512661
>>26513727

The fact that he even had an interview proves that if he tried again with the experience, he would get in... But now it's something impossible

>>26416632
In the cuckshed, where all Holostars should be.

>>26513855
cover doesn't host interviews over zoom.
t. former round 2 interview reject

>>26513878
Damn... Well, you have tried anon

>>26511491
Talks about retardation when it's still not the West that supports them but the chinks. And they are financially supported simply due to the contract, retard. This is not even adding the fact that he got enough supas from the West audience, how else would other NijiEN livers survive without pandering to the chinks? You're exactly the retardation that you're soeaking.

>>26514595
>they are financially supported simply due to the contract
>viewers are contractually obligated to financially support holostars
you are the most retarded anon on this board

>>26510486
Are you a newfag? There are literally people in Hololive that use 4chan

>>26514743
All those times I've directly called Mori a cunt... all those times I've told Gura I want to stretch out her hoohah with the jaws of life... Good times...