>Anyahttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UC727SQYUvx5pDDGQpTICNWg>Petrahttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgA2jKRkqpY_8eysPUs8sjw
I am also fresh out of OP images again, so it would be neat if someone made something new. Otherwise it'll be back to reusing the old ones
>>OP>no Anya in the OPwhat did pentomo mean by this?are you trying to start the beginning of the end of petranya thread?
>>15098934Toaster-kun...
>>15098980you son of a b*tch...
>>15099008Better luck next time chump!
>>15099075I prefer the term "chumpian" but if you wanna be a rude little f*eak i'll have to get violence
>FAQ>Why these two?They’re a couple of phonies
Have these two ever acknowledged each other?
>>15099359no, but it's on purpose i'm sure
>>15099359Petra follows Anya on twitter, but that's it. There's also a bunch of dogwhistling from both if you're schizo enough.Reimu must keep them from interacting, because the world will end if they do
>>15099359Where would be the fun in that?
I just started watching petra the other day she seems like a huge autistic nerd so far. I like that
>>15099658The way she was trying to rationalize how otoge is different from galge, how eroge can't have good stories was funny. Also how she shit on Reimu for liking characters based on looks, when she also has a preferred type.
>page 9 in 20 minuteswhat's going on?
>>15100925I wouldn't know I don't leave or look outside of the few threads I visit. It's the holidays tho so maybe people are just home with too much time on their hands?
>>15100925Just a lot more shit than usual, without any clear reason.
>>15101921It looks like about fifty people tried to create the new Hololive Global and Numbers threads at the same time, pushing all threads on the board to page 9.
reimu seems to really like vox
>>15101921>filter "why" and "what">haven't seen the vast majority of these threads>>15103135He's a guy with a deep voice and there are other guys around him which Reimu can imagine to have sex with him. This is everything Reimu loves.
>>15103135>>15103564they played apex together before debut to calm the guys down. She mentioned it on stream. Both Ike and Vox played with her so I guess they do interact a lot off stream.
>>15103564How did you find out that filtering those words was a good idea? I wouldn't have thought to filter something so common.
>>15104401common words in suggestive questions which are very often used in bait posts.
>>15104401just checked the catalog."what" filters 21 threads, 9 of which are bait."why" filters 7 threads, 5 of which are bait.that's good enough.
>>15101921Christ is this what it normally looks like?
>>15108445It's a bit worse today for whatever reason
>>15108504We really have cut out a little slice of paradise in the middle of hell, it seems.
>>15108504>It's a bit worse today for whatever reason"today" has been several weeks at this point.>>15109365as if only those generals and just some of those are worthwhile. /rose/ is also great and /SCAM/ is a bit slow, but comfy. But if you're interested in NijiEN, avoid /NijiEN/ at all costs...
>>15110415i finished up the other side of this, debating weather to add color or not.
Why does Anya try to be Japanese every time she finds an opportunity?
>>15110556because she is
>>15110415>>15110478It looks nice, but you do realize Anya has huge breasts, right?
>>15113361>In a perfect world, penguins like me would not exist. But this is not a perfect world.
Found the timestamp of the impromptu recorder performance of My Heart Will Go On from the Minecraft collab that Petra did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu07LvNhlo0&t=9978s
I am the last pentomo.Petra belongs to me now.
>>15118254Not so fast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk5FolFQLdINew cover is out!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_7raY4nhpwPetra members.
>>15111081like this?
>Old outfit anyaBros...
>>15121947C bros it's not looking good.How is B team even fair?
>petranyankoWhich one of you is it?
>>15124034Could be petra nyanko.
>>15124034It's Petra-nyanko-Nyan (cat)-Ko (female)
>>15124105Kucing...
>>15125125Makanan enak...
>>15120775Petra looks weird…I didn’t know Millie was that good at singing
so i just checked the catalog, why the fuck is there a cannibalism general
I finally made an excel sheet so I won't miss any streams. Anya please, I need your schedule so I can work around it.>>15127815I made a mistake thinking it was just a vtuber themed /ck/ thread and opened it. Never again.
>>15127917>Petra eat one pemtomo live on stream.
>>15127815What do we even pay the janitors for
>>15127917>>15127997>>15128302>Today's Special: Petra Tempura Nuggetsjesus fucking christ, not even /d/ has a cannibalism thread
>>15128440guro & rori belongs in /b/
>>15127815Because this board is fucked
>>15126533Millie and Enna are like a pair of angels descended from heaven to grace the world with their beautiful singing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzmYoI2LLDQThis is the funniest thing I've ever seen.>Wow.>Oh.>Ah.
>>15128926Anya knows little fear
bump
https://twitter.com/anyamelfissa/status/1473977404200685571?t=oCVjVg3WXBcyFMHgMgDLUg&s=19
wild ANYAhttps://youtu.be/sjf90YcMAmk
>>15137071Just a shame there's no Moona to get a full ID collab out of it.
>>15137071big
i don't feel any womanly energy from Anya, is she a tomboy or a tranny?
>>15139822I don't feel any manly energy from this post
>>15139987i'm a pentomo
>>15139822she's a dagger...
>>15139822LoliBaba
So, do these two collab a lot?
>>15142080all the time in my head
>>15140646Wolfenstein III: The New Stuffs
>>15142341Wait then why are they paired up so much? Are you guys shipniggers?
>>15144095WHOA! Easy on the racial slurs there, son. We don't look kindly on that around here.
>>15144095this thread is dedicated to Petra and Anya, but not limited to them seeing people post Iofi, Reimu, Shu, Amiya and Urara here.
Please help Petra warmup!https://twitter.com/Petra_Gurin/status/1474039806460329984
>>15144796Looks like Reimu's already taking care of that...
there's /rose/ and there's /haha/why is petra the only one stuck sharing a global?
>>15144884reimu is in here too
>>15144884It's a choice between nijien garbage dumps, discord erpgfags and thisthe choice is obvious
>>15145077yes nijiEn is a garbage dump now.but why not make your own general like rosebuds and dragoons did?
>>15144884>>15145166Petra is one of the most unfairly hated people on this entire board so I think an attempt at a Petra general would invite a lot of trouble. But under Anya's protection, she has flourished. And between the two fanbases there seems to be enough people in here that the thread is kept alive even during the most persistent spam.
>>15145213as a melfriend I have enjoyed our time together and now tune in to Petra as well when I have the chance
>>15145213>unfairly hated peopleuh bro you're stuck in obsydia debut times. no one hates petra now, all those people that were trying to make her the new gura are long gone.pentomos in nijien general are pretty active, pretty sure pentomos could keep up petra's general the same rosebuds are now, it only takes a handful of dedicated posters.
>>15144095Sir, this is the Anya-Petra thread.
>>15144095The cold hard truth is anya viewers latching onto Petra like leeches to keep their general alive.
>>15145349I dunno man, I wouldn't want to share a general with people who would willingly visit the shitheap that is the NijiEN general. If they want to attempt their own they're free to try but in the end it's really a matter of whether the majority of people from this general actually have an interest in moving there, and everyone here seems pretty satisfied to me. Combined generals are pretty common on this board anyway, there's an Aki/Mel/Choco general for example.
>>15146774the thing is, petra and anya don't even collab with each other, do they even know each other exists? this general makes no sense. At least Aki/Mel/Choco are good friends and are always collabing with each other, there's stuff to talk about, can't say the same for anya and petra.
i think you all need to take a sip and calm down, friends
>>15146831>this general makes no sense.This thread exists and works because of its very own thread culture. If you dont like that you can just make a Petra general and nobody will stop you. Also this >>15146843
>>15146843I didn't do my ID reps I can't read this...
>>15146843sankyuu
>>15147181I can help you out, "kek" is Indonesian for "lol."
>>15121226Yeus yeus yeus!
>>15140646I love new stuffs!
Okay, I need 1600 golds, 225 silvers, and 1300 bronzes.
>>15150058For what?
>>15150695For Anya!
>>15150972Good
>>15153663
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJDG5V6vIJUdid any of you send her Anyamiya?
>>15155028
>>15155028A box of spiders.
https://twitter.com/suisei_hosimati/status/1474075987604574210>Team B has someone with 10k rank points in Mario KartThis isn't even a tournament, its going to be a bloodbath.
>>15155432Suisei is okay but the rest of her team kinda sucks. I'd be more concerned about IRyS' team.
>>15155205The most powerful chuuba...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3JPyrwIezI>no real thumbnail bc of sleep deprivation>description is basically just "feet...">collab with Nina and the FeeshRaymoo...
https://youtu.be/m3JPyrwIezIReimu collab in an hour
>>15158698>>15158707is it that bigfoot hunting game or something different?
>>15158792it's basically a shitty mix of evolve/phasmo, where the humans need to use gadgets to track the monster and kill it
>>15158944Damn, I was hoping it was a watchalong of this.
>>15159129>the man who killed HitlerI doubt that any chuuba would praise that man on stream lmao
>>15159216A shame, as it was the only praiseworthy thing he did in his life.
I wish Anya would do a Tokio Gore Police watchalong...
>>15158698live
>>15158698>open stream>wall of supaswhoahDespite what numberfags believe, she doesn't need saving.
>>15161272Any streamer over a hondo regular viewers can support themselves very nicely, it's like surppasing the great filter
Hey guys, is anyone around here interesed on a Petra-Anya divegrass team for the next /vt/ league?
>>15161575No. I hate that gay shit
>>15161575Do we have anyone here doing blender reps?
>>15161347I honestly don't know why number posters on this board are so weird, they actually say "OH NO NO ONLY 2000 VIEWERS" like it's actually a bad thing even though the person in question is getting flooded with superchats. It's like, what exactly are they accomplishing by trying to claim someone like that is a failure?
>>15158698oh man I remember this game I played it like a year ago they've added a lot it seems
>>15161575what would even fill the roster?
>>15161849They're not serious or have a serious case of Holorot.I've seen this dude for the past 10 years on twitch, he started with 300 viewers and current averages 2k to 3k depending on the game, he just bought his 2nd house the other day purely with stream profits.
Reimu...
>>15161849I watch literal 2views, Ninaninin in particular earlier last year and numberfagging for views is irrelevant for your viewing experience because noticeable changes only happen in these increments;2 - it's just (you) and the streamer10-20 - you have 2-3 chatters and you have a single message every minute30-40 - fast but slow enough the streamer can read everything50-70 - streamer now has to pick and choose which message to read140+ - chat is now an amorphous blob and addressed collective-gap-1000 - you get 2-3 of your messages read per stream if you're good2000-3000 - may nor may not get your message read, but it's small enough to have a tight knit community5000-7000 - still comfortable for the streamer to have a conversation, but fast as fuck10000-999999 0 doesn't fucking matter why botherSubs/follows don't matter either. They literally don't affect how the stream goes.>>15162114If these people ever got out of their bubble (some NijiEN fans included) they would pipe down and realize none of this matters and hopefully learn that fun things are fun.
>>15163110I think the only time it really mattered was when NijiIN was shut down, because if they were bringing in higher numbers they probably wouldn't have been. But I got the impression that there were a lot of logistical issues with running a branch in India that Anycolor couldn't afford resources for, so even then it wasn't merely the numbers that shut them down.
https://twitter.com/anyamelfissa/status/1474180006272462849https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQjMlpvcv5cIt's ogre... I think they're going to overlap.
>>15165143The first Anya Petra collab...
>>15162114It makes me think they started watching streams with Hololive. Anyone that has used Twitch is use to double digit streams and higher.
>>15161633I see>>15161647I don't think so>>15162102...Good questionWell i'll come back in a week when sign ups open and see if the interest changed, anyone else can take over if they want obviously. Have some good holidays everyone~
OH SHIThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ETVFyLpxPYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ETVFyLpxPYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ETVFyLpxPY
>>15166752I'm glad it's with choco sensei even if she's not red rank she is still the most knowledgeable holo for dbd
>>15166752With this dog whistle, Anya announced that she would not be paired with Petra...Unfortunately, Petranya has come to an end.
>>15166870And her voice is really cute. I love getting to hear Choco's voice. It's funny she has this character of being the sexy nurse type but her voice is very nasally and cute. I feel like they could have given Choco a model like Anya's and it would have still fit her voice.
>>15167394
>>15167394no, this can't be...
>>15167394I go with a clear conscience. I've given my all.
>>15162102Various anya edits, petra, iofi, and reimu
Anya said that she had finished RE2 last week, but Choco's reaction was muted.Choco is not a suitable partner for Anya.
>>15170331What would the correct response have been?
>>15168390Finally, the face of my tormentors.
I'm sorry...
>>15171362orgasm
>>15171567The world cannot handle a Chocosen-sei orgasm.
>>15171686this isn't about the world, this is about anya finishing RE2
Anya: Indonesia is hot every day.Choco: Are you still wearing short sleeves?Anya: It's been hot here lately too....Anya?
>>15172514Anya is not a morning person...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQjMlpvcv5cLive!(But she's already dying)
>>15172708Dang I was just about to eat some spicy leftovers from yesterday, now I can watch this stream and pretend I'm Petra.
I finished these up, enjoy.
>>15174205Nicely done, it looks great.
>>15174205IS THAT A
>>15174205hmmmm nice toast
now that Anya is done, how has Petra been holding up with the spicy noodles?
>>15174205いただきます
>>15175164Dying for the akasupas.
>>15174567Is it?
>>15175360more of an A+ than an A
>>15162102Snapping turtlePetranyaYou can learn japanesePentomo w/gunSam Bridges
>Penguindrum.why now of all times?
I see your thread here all the time anons, and a lot of Anya/Petra fanartHave they even talked about each other? Do you think they'll ever collab?
>>15178046THEY'RE COLLABING RIGHT NOW!
>>15178046They're lovers, of course they talk!
>>15178046Dunno but I like it here and I'd like to keep it that way.
People are getting pretty aggressive lately, that's like the third one in 24 hours? Usually there's more of a gap.
>>15181287They need to chill and stuffs
>>15182920Holy this is good
>>15182920Good stuffs! Nicely done.
>>15182920FEEL IT IN YOUR KISS and I can SEE IT IN THE STARSI DON'T BELIEVE IN MAGIC BUT I KNOW JUST WHO YOU ARE
https://twitter.com/yuki_jakusi/status/1474082156846915584>Petra's graphic is the only broken one0 luck pengu...
>>15183280Petra's getting ready to leave, she doesn't want any part of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMrv0spiMYshttps://twitter.com/2434_chikaThe artist responsible for this is being accused of tracing, can any archive bros save the vid? In case she has to take it down.
>>15183464man, that artist's done a lot of Petra art they are probably going to nuke their twitter and images
>>15183658That artist's done a lot of Nijisanji art in general. Backing up all their work would be a very good idea.Ironically enough, I'm pretty sure people have done Anya Petra edits of their art.
>>15183464I'm here for Anya but I got you threadbros.https://files.catbox.moe/i5ovfh.mp4
>>15183464Oh man please I hope this is just another twitter mob false positive. Artfags suddenly disappearing are always a sad thing.
>>15184239I'm looking into this and I actually don't see much of a "mob." There's three people whining and one of them has a default profile picture which is, to use the modern parlance, highly sus.
>>15184239nope, this is unfortunately realI just saw a bunch of art that she tracedhttps://twitter.com/abcd_12345_0/status/1474219494490796035https://youtu.be/VwyT6sGTJ5APetra has used her art for thumbnails and schedules before
>>15184943well fug
>>15184943https://twitter.com/05AREN/status/1389192792555986944
>>15182920Cute my grandma.
>>15184943>>15184970Man... I guess it doesn't mean much to say it after the fact, but I always did get a weird feeling from Chika's art, like it was unusually clean or something. Now it all makes sense.
>>15183464>being accused of tracingquick rundown?
>>15185108oh nevermind
on brighter news, Yofi finally posted a calendar of her activites
>>15187041>SudaneseI'm interested
>>15187061YOU WILL NEVER BE SUNDANESE ANYA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jT6-2zvJOoPetra Christmas stream
>>15187041>>15187061>>15187207Sundanese Nutz
test
>>15190368>all those retards getting a tripcode when they try to do the fortune gacha<span class="fortune" style="color:#2dfc53">Your fortune: Your heart grew three sizes!</span>
BEHOLD!ANYA AND PETRA WILL HAVE LOTS OF COLLABS NEXT YEAR!<span class="fortune" style="color:#01aad0">Your fortune: You got an extra thick slice of fruitcake.</span>
I'm tempted to create a soundcloud account and post anya/petra cover pictures in it just to bump off this girl from the #2 search result.
Wild Anyahttps://youtu.be/-ZKv_7Ku4Pg
Iofi is incredibly cute
>>15193183Raisins...
I've heard it 100 times but I don't understand, what does she say?
>>15183464is chika an indog?
>>15187041Glad to see she's feeling better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpg1o-ELtKwanya on the telly
>>15200472>She speaks like real Japanese.
>>15200472>The rrat called him>An EN girl talked with a MANNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.I wonder if she'll ever get that collab.
>>15200616Gws lost merakyat.
>>15200616Why aren't you watching your oshi's homosexual anime?
>>15193376she's the cutest! I love her very much
Christmas stuffs
>Content creator I liked killed himselfNice, like I wasn't depressed enough already.
I just woke up with this awesome idea, what if English-speaking VTubers got added to a gacha game in a collab but they only added the ones who are fluent in Japanese because most gacha games only have Japanese voice acting, so you get Anya or Petra and they only speak Japanese. I think this would be pretty great.
>>15205413Damn, that's sad news on Christmas. Who was it?
>>15205668Nobody anyone would know, played a ton of retro stuff on twitch for years.Saw a community post saying he was dead and I just assumed he was done streaming, but nope he really did kill himself.
Merry Christmas melfriends and pentomos!
>>15206685Same to you anon!
Mwrry christmas!
uhh... melhomos, care to explain? >>15205076
>>15208344explain what
>>15208344Aunt Anya is checking on her niece during Christmas.
these two will never interact and these threads are a meme. petra fans, come back home to nijien general.
andy of u fuckers want some cheetos or a cigarettes from the 7-11
>>15208344Are you really asking us to explain why Anya is one of the nicest and kindest members of Hololive?
>>15208845get me two crates of>>15146843
>>15208916jeez, this ones was heavy. i hope you give me a thank you or somethings.
>>15209164thanks
>>15208344Anya is a weapon only to be wielded in the name of total unity.>>15208845Can I get some chocolate breadrolls?
>>15209411the closest they had was a choco cornet.by the way, what end should be eaten first?
>>15209599That's good too. I tend to eat them from the tip, so I dont end it on crust only part.
petranya will NEVER be japanese
>>15208845Penguin soup
>>15211315
Reimu has been streaming Hotline Miami for hours...https://youtu.be/9bGAU-oKYww
>>15212348Does she stream at EU friendly times?
>>15212435mostly during evenings or late night for EUthere's also the odd JP stream during EU afternoon
>>15213121RIP
>>15212348This settles it that I've got to get the Niji discord to send me notifications when Reimu is streaming because I have some brain disorder or something and I cannot keep up with people's schedules but being notified of a stream by being linked in the thread works for me but clearly I cannot rely on the Anya Petra Global to reliably inform me of Reimu streams so I guess I will have to resort to Discord.
Merry Krismas
https://twitter.com/Petra_Gurin/status/1474446365967417349>>15216590Merry christmas!
>>15216888Thats one cute penguin
>>15221604Anya...
>>15221718Close enough
>>15221604
>>15221604I am what you may call a specialist
>>15208344Pretty based. Wish Sora would have called in.
>>15225022Anya is basically the Sora of Hololive when you think about it.
>>15208810It's too gay in there now
>>15225412I'm thinking of creating a Luxiem General, so I can escape the gayness.
>>15225458Luxiem general would unironically be less gay because you'd have actual women posting there.
>>15225054that's a stupid statement anon
>>15225054Anya is also the Pekora of hololive if you think about it
>>15225054No, she's the Dark Souls of procedural generated rogue-lite vtubing (open world)
>>15225054Anya is the Hololive of Hololive
>>15212348Did she actually finish this because I notice her streams for this total 5 hours. Is Hotline Miami that short? Maybe I should finally get around to playing it.
Uhhh penhomos? care to explain this?>>15230445
>>15230549I hope that thread is deleted very quickly.
>>15230549Do people use Twitter for interaction? It always read like a YouTube comment.
Wishing you all a good time and stuffs.https://youtu.be/zzEenxhgMKM
>>15230880When it's a Twitter for someone famous, it kind of is like a YouTube comment. That's why that person is trying to get Chika to initiate a conversation via private messages.
>>15230549I hope they just ban twitter threads altogether.
>>15231869There's a lot of things that should be done in this board
>>15233418There are many things that need to be erased.
Yopi is at it again! I hate to know that Risu have 4 ears.https://youtu.be/a4wfCXuwWzE
For Pentomoshttps://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm39766695For Penhomoshttps://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm39708688
For Pentomoshttps://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm39766695For Penhomoshttps://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm39721815
>>15238622Wow, I haven't seen someone use Nicovideo for uploads in a long time. Is this yours?
>>15240400No.It seems that there are quite a few Nicovideo artists who do not use other platforms.https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm39507652
>>15230162yes, the game is like 3 hours longthere's replay value because of the masks that change your playstyle and trying to get a higher score>>15215283sorry, I usually try to link both her and Iofi's streams, but I'm either away from my PC or the notification doesn't pop upthey do consistently pop up for the other 3 though...
>Reimu's artist went super autism on details with her emotes>none of them can be seem clearly due to being tiny in chat
>>15245972But you can extract the images from youtube and post them here in all their glorious detail
>>15246227I'll post them later I guess
Isn't Petra streaming later?
>>15247590Christmas collab, time tbd.
>>15247590She is married to the toilet now, She can't go far away from it...
Looks like kerismas stream today...
>>15238089this is live
>I've traced art beforeYOFI, NONOT AFTER YESTERDAY
>>15249991iofi...
>>15249991It's the new gen that learns to draw by heavy reference, All YouTube tutorial tells you to copy from a reference. Tracing has lost its meaning.
https://youtu.be/a4wfCXuwWzEAnya's turn now
Merry Christmas Pentomos and Melfriends, God bless you all on this holy day/evening!
>>15251371
>>15251502c-cute!
>>15252487So round...
>>15252487anya if she korean
>>15252487For Muslim women, cutting their bangs is insane.So Anya will never be an onion.
Accelerate
https://files.catbox.moe/35qah8.zipReimu membership emotes and badgesthere's also a member karaoke in 2 hours from now
>>15254272ACCELERATOR DA
>>15255562cute
Time to kill ze thread
>>15256469anya SHOULD be gayit's the only way to achieve 1 million subs
>>15256736Anya must remain straight, despite being a curved dagger.
It is done.
>>15256749Why does Anya like Ina so much, aside from having great taste? They've never collabed but Anya seems to be an enormous Ina simp.
>>15256886>He forgot THE collab streams
>>15256886because she respects artists, likes her personality and share a lot of similar interests>>15256904don't remind me, I felt terrible for Anya during those
>>15256886>>15256904But on a serious note, I think it is because of her Fate art shit.
you forgot your free petrin, ma'am
>>15257052Another fine addition to my OP images. Nicely done anon.
>>15257097Really waited till the last possible moment for that one, huh.
it's over...
>>15257125Nah I have another one already in store.
https://twitter.com/Petra_Gurin/status/1474794659537108992
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtCdLEilejsReimu member karaoke
>>15259188I just can't get over how Reimu's model always looks like she wants to die but then you actually watch her stream and it's like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZSCmvf0EKE
>>15259848That makes her a good cast, no?
New thread and stuffs. >>15259941
>>15259848she brought this up in one of her streamshttps://youtu.be/E-GI3mGSm-0?t=1492timestamped
>>15259884I dunno if it makes her a good cast, but it certainly makes her perfect and I love her.
>>15259984I dont think you want a chuuba who is actually dead inside and wants to die. That wouldnt be fun to watch and a bit cruel to force them to stream. Besides Reimu creates gap moe like that
>>15260052Yeah, we already have one anyway and her name is Gawr Gura. That's why I don't watch her...