/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>13524447
gura is banned here for being a 2view A+ tier

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

Thanksgiving isn’t a thing anywhere but the US right? JP does weird things with US culture sometimes but I presume EN is going to get a huge hit the next couple days. People have to do annoying family shit and can’t just hide and watch vtubers

>>13523469
>>13523392
>https://vocaloid.fandom.com/wiki/Weekly_VOCALOID_Ranking#How_points_are_calculated
Essentially, it is based off of NicoNico's metrics, which are somewhat different, but equivalent to certain YT features. We would have to create our own formula that applies to the various relevant metrics in order to properly quantify their score, but the formula itself was fairly simple and easy to replicate/verify since it was public.

We would have to use metrics that are easy to obtain for the sake of replication. Stuff like:
>Amount of content
>Time of content (individual? overall?)
>CCV
>VOD
>Comments
>Likes (let's ignore the whole YT dislike debacle since it won't matter in the end)
>SC

There are metrics that are harder to obtain because no one is compiling the data or the data itself is obscure to us, so we would be hard pressed to include it. We might also have to make compromises if we want to include other platforms like Twitch, Spotify and Twitter (Holos use it to stream now, dunno about others).

>>13524799
Yea, tomorrow is Turkey Day in the US, gonna be a bad day for numbers tomorrow. Friday is just gonna be Friday numbers (weaker than usual on average).

>>13524799
the next 4-5 drays are going to be rough

>>13524799
Thursday would be a good time for any ENs to do a pandering JP-exclusive stream

>>13525027
Really? Is it that common for you burgers to turn this into an extended weekend affair?

>>13524826
>aka lets numberfag a bunch of irrelevant metrics because we're afraid to admit that the shark is the most popular vtuber in the world

>>13525113
Yeah. Most people travel to visit family.

>>13524799
Canada has thanksgiving too but it was last month. There could be plenty of options for EOPs considering how many leafs there are.

>>13525113
It's a family holiday so Thursday and Friday are usually considered holidays (unless you work retail).

>>13525204
Only 2 leafs in hololive.

>>13525138
>(You)
Now go back to shit posting in the in your bait threads.

will Vshojo do something for their anniversary? Would love to see their numbers

I didn't see any post regarding this in the previous thread but Gen 3 concert hashtag has been trending for a while.

>>13525424
Could be big because of the recent drama

>>13525424
They might get 20k if everyone shows up.

>>13525197
>>13525220
Ah. Yea then it's gonna be baaaaaaad for numbers this weekend.
>>13525204
Even accounting for it numbers gonna be bad just because people gonna be roped into family shit

>>13525424
Well for their warm-up act, Minecraft with Connor and KSon is happening right now

>>13525512
I thought Kson Minecraft was rescheduled?

>Sankisei concert free part
100k+ guaranteed

>>13525512
Mouse has 8.1k at the moment.

>>13525673
Yes, rescheduled to today.

>>13525746
>8k
pretty low for a collab

Gura at 13k. She still hasn't played as Dante.

>>13525458
Anyone have the nijisanji concert as a comparison?

>>13525825
The Collab is melody/kson, ironmouse is just on the server.

>>13525825
Not on Twitch.

YT corpo numbers have spoiled us.

>>13525840
40k

>>13525920
For twitter?
That seems pretty low.

>>13525901
ironmouse collabing with Connor as always
8.3k for her
6.2k for him

>>13525958
Wil Connor interact with Kson?

do you think Victor Entertainment lucked out by signing Sora when she's was relatively new to the scene?

>>13524799
advance cope to enfaggots

ENschizo is here

>>13526095
yeah, his and Mouse's antics are making her and Melody giggle.

Collab basically guaranteed i guess.

Number prediction for Hinotori remix? There's gonna be 3 of them kek
1m 1 week possible?

>>13526297
OH NO OH NO OH NO KSONBROS
Is Connor going to invite her over on Trash Taste and have a foursome with Joey and Garnt?

>>13526331
Nah, they will kill each other's numbers.

>>13526297
Mouse is still on 8k with kson on. Don't think so

3.4k waiting on kson to start.

>>13526331
Nah, that too much releases at once is enough to kill possible numbers, but what is the purpose of this releases though? why didn't she just do like how Mori did it to boost her own song

>>13526568
5-7k probably. Might filter a lot of jops unfortunately.

Mouse 8.5k
Connor 7.3k
Kson 3.5k
Kinda low for Vshojo.

>>13527002
Vshojo is an actually debuff for kson she got more playing fucking poppy by her self.

>>13525688
No way

>>13527251
>english only collab
literally filtering half of her viewers
>>13527251
>casstle crashers
>2 pov
FOR WHAT PURPOSE

>>13525688
Doubtful, if only because of online views being split between free part and SPWN (If the watchers were numberfags they'd watch the free part on YT and switch to SPWN for the paid portion, but not all viewers are numberfags so...)

>>13527002
>>13527177
Bae got 5-6k giving Mio a tour of the en server.

gold: gen 3 concert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5UouZHdBqU
silver: miko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDJUmPwxgDI depends if minecraft or cooking, subaru https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLEhg_vK2BY, pekora/marine if they decide to stream after the concert 1ish.
bronze: Kuzuha valorant debuff game and not really a hype tournament https://twitter.com/room_vault/status/1463111775302217728 and its valorant

my predictions today

>>13527359
But anon....don't you love it when you do pointless splits for collabs where you're not going to be paying much attention to chat anyways?!
>English only
Well, this is more for the benefit of Vshojo viewers than anything.

>>13527515
If there are three silver contenders, then how is Kuzuha going to get a bronze?

>>13527512
Bae somehow ended with the same Views on her vod as Mio.
i wonder if the same can happen with Kson

>>13527515
his recent valorant tournament peak 25k https://playboard.co/en/video/XNq33Ga5JyA
im predicting 25k-32k for today.

>>13527605
Kinda nuts, Bae has more global fans than Mio.

>>13526177
>Sign a small new talent
>They blow up
It's every record company's wet dream.

>>13527590
oh right hes not a medalist now kek

>>13527767
the vod views were pretty much even for the first hours tough. And it was midnight for most EOPs Mio got an advanatge after Jp prime passed.
But by 5hrs they were at 90-100k both of them.

>>13527605
I know the difference is not that huge but mio have 140k views while bae have 112k views. So not really the same amount of views no?

>>13527864
>>13527927
Do you think people watch both POVs or just one?

If Youtube culls live views, what's stopping them from culling VOD views?

>>13527927
i pretty much put it here>>13527927
Another example is watames collab with sana. 5k ccv but ended with a similar growth on views as Mios. i sitll think the channels of EN girls set to japan has some affect on her live viewership

>>13528130
depends on the collab

gold medal count so far

>>13528140
they do it once in a while, they cull some vod views across the site on some specific days.

>>13527770
they probably signed her for pennies too. who knows if Sora will renew her contract with them

>>13528183
A Minecraft server tour collab. If people only watch one POV than that means Bae and Mio have around 252k fans by them selves.

>>13527864
Could it be explained by Bae having a higher viewer turnover than Mio? With EN's audience more spread out amongst timezones, Bae's in particular could it be burgers going to sleep while other timezones got off work? While usually I wouldn't bring this up, the timeslot here might make sense.
>inb4 ENschizo go fuck yourself

Hololive's game show is starting its season 2 today.
Think it will do better than season 1?

>>13528442
If they get elder ring then yes

>>13528442
Im happy as long as I can see more Towa in 3D

>>13524826
>samefagging
Assuming that we do make a formula for ranking purposes, I suggest splitting the parameters into 3.

Chuuba (C):
>Subs
>Amount of Content Delivered
>Overall Time
Content itself should probably exclude members only content since that is a hard metric to parse. There is also the matter of unarchived/deleted/removed content to account for.

Audience (A):
>Subs
>CCV
>VOD

Engagement (E):
>Comments
>Likes
>SC
>"Thanks" (YT's paid commenting thing).
>Overall Time

Going from there it's only a trivial matter to come up with a proper formula that scales well. Notice that some metrics are repeated for the sake of calculus of the parameters since those are just parameters. I don't know what that formula would look like yet though. If you have any suggestions, feel free to let me know.

>muh watch time
We don't have access to the real metric for that on YT. Only the account knows their total and average watch time. Good luck trying to find out.

>>13528246
They can prevent VOD views from even registering in the first place like they do with live views, which means that ENs are also suffering from a 25-30% VOD cull.

>>13528321
is hard to explain since VOD queues just make it difficult to track. The fact that bae had similar vod growth and views at the end of the collab as mio tells me they were having almost the same eyes put on them. The first hours after a stream ends usually is the views dequeuing form the VOD queue.
The fact that a similar thing happens with sana makes me thing the ENs might have an extra filter on their live viewers, my only guess is becasue their content is in English and based on a japanese channel.But who knows i just found it interesting.
>>13528442
depends on the games

>>13528140
They actually do. Pekoras 3rd gen MC hardcore collab got culled multiple times. Gura and Pekora summerfest got culled multiple time aswell. Sportsfest of all pov got view culled too.

>>13528442
Depends on the games and talents. If there's Matsuri in it, expect low numbers

>>13528321
Fuck you bitch

>>13528686
is not common enough to say it happens regualrly unlike ccv problems.

Don't forget they're also streaming it on NicoNico.
https://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv333613503

>>13528757
viewbots lmao.

>>13528755
>ENs might have an extra filter on their live viewers
That's been known for ages though, isn't the consensus that it's down to Adblock usage? Actually, another thing I would want to test if nobody has yet is the use of embedded players, especially the use of stuff like jetri and mado because I know a metric fuckton of EOP viewers tend to use that, especially for collabs or when two popular streams are happening at once.
>>13528805
Well fuck you too ya cunt.

>>13528963
It could be happening right now and no one would notice.

I know Gen 3 Concert is almost certain to win the day but Nijifags don't lose hope, there is always a chance to steal the win.
Don't shit the thread yet, you haven't lost yet.

So.. How's nijien collab number bros? They playing castle something

>>13529215
pretty much selene sucking pomus numbers
2.8k vs 1.7k
same pov technically

>>13529215
Gwelu ended his stream?

>>13528972
Did they also streamed the Gen 1 Concert in Niconico?
Because if no then there is a chance Gen 3 will get lower numbers than Gen 1

>>13529287
Nope, it's still up on nijimado and the link goes to the stream still (and its still running)

>>13529287
Still live on my end

>>13529337
>>13529346
Oh that's weird, it's gone from Holodex now.

>>13529303
Nigga what?

Today in midgetland:
>browse YT
>check Live filter
>pic related pops up
>"More spics joining the chuuba streaming game?"
>go in to check it out
>it's a Japanese grill
>learning Spanish
>actually can read and respond to messages in Supeingo
WACTOR...

>>13529453
Oh, what the heck? Selected my image but didn't register I guess.

>>13529453
WACTOR has been doing an unironically good job of sucking up the midget ES market, they're not going to be Nimu tier but they're not doing bad.

>>13529526
>>13529547
I wonder if any Cartel leaders watch vtubers.

Fauna at 4.5k and Kson at 4.8k. lol.

>>13529741
Kek, the thought of a narco deep in the Colombian jungle, watching a WACTOR VTuber off of their illicit satellite connection and sending supas using drug money is hilarious to me. I wonder if there's a legitimate demographic there that can be exploited by chuubas. If so, how would they even go about doing that and would they be paypigs?

4 overlaps with gura,fauna,kroni and baelz/mumei.

Today's superchats

>>13530162
what? bae actually got 1k in SCs? What happened?

>>13530392
Alarm clock found

>>13530392
her chatting stream wasn't overlapping jp prime time.

>>13530456
*fund

>>13530083
the Coco and Lamy yakuza paypigs narrative

>>13529215
>>13529256
>>13529287
How the fuck do they decide who streams? Single pov game, 4 players, 2 streams from Selen and Pomu while Rosemi and Enna get nothing?

>>13530578
>narrative
There was at least one confirmed legit yakuza tatsunoko

>>13530083
More like they probably would buy out their oshi by force if they can.
Actually, I'm surprised I do not hear stories of popular streamers being blackmailed by mafias to get a cut of their donations, in special on the latin market. Literally here on the news there is always one story of a random family getting killed by sicarios for not meeting the quota of money for their mafia overlords.
Like imagine if a spic vtuber from latam blows up in donations and some months laters...dissapear...even the roommate.

At this point, I think NijiEN doesn't seem to have any way to incline. Even when they get an upper hand from their competitor playing genshin or honkai, no one would watch them. When they get perms for games that haven't been played by Holos yet, no one would watch them. Even when they advertise songs, no one would watch them. Even when they stealth advertise on Holo subreddit, no one would come watch them. Their cap would still be around 7-8k.

>>13530162
November so far
>Lamy - $89,557
>kson - $83,347
>Rushia - $74,929
>Noel - $52,761
>Kuzuha - $45,260
>Miko - $42,671
>Mori - $41,335
>Fuwa - $37,481
>Marine - $36,975
>Pekora - $35,892
>Ibrahim - $31,361
>Kanata - $31,039

>>13531251
Pomu 1.7k
Selen 2.5k
Ame's rebroadcast 3.8k

>>13531346
>Not incluiding EN
T. Cucksonoko

>>13529200
>>13529200
Not today, though

Gen 3 will get 100k today
Don't underestimate those powerhouse autists

>>13531251
They need someone that can go viral. But thing is, no one that NijiEN recruited has ever gone viral before, while HoloEN has 3 recruits who did.

>>13531468
A. learn to read, B. tell the rest of those girls to stop being allergic to money

>>13531678
Why would a viral girl join Niji instead of hololive?

https://twitter.com/suisei_hosimati/status/1462024388451225605
https://twitter.com/suisei_hosimati/status/1460986101963714563
https://twitter.com/suisei_hosimati/status/1460795648496713729
https://twitter.com/suisei_hosimati/status/1458982160354840580
https://twitter.com/suisei_hosimati/status/1452658428262817797
a bit late but jesus christ suisei even watame who likely spent a fuckton on her orisongs without getting the album sales didnt shill her archive this much

>>13531468
The day finally came that the wigger of nippon fucked enough asian manlets to become Japanese.

>>13531468
Mori is there retard, Besides Mori is the only one consistent with SC numbers

>>13531669
Put out an absurd prediction.
If they did it then as a Holofag and brag.
if they failed then act as a Nijifag and shit on them.

I see your play.

>>13530918
what about Lamy and her yakuza narrative

>>13531782
Well, part of it is a reminder to go back and watch it without it being scuffed up, and the other is...why not?! She's proud of it and she also needs that money for more GACHA. (That's an old post BTW, archive's already gone)

>>13531782
Why not? That's their fucking job to market their stuff.

>>13531774
Preference of culture, might want to do content that might run afoul of Holo restrictions, etc etc.

I just saw a post in the megathread in virtualyoutubers subreddit complaining about people who seethe at cross company collabs.

You can see all the niji fans claim the moral high ground .

>>13531693
>>13531802
>>13531802
T. cucksonokos relying on playboard before their monthly ranking

in other news, according to holostats the total views of all hololive channels is now at 4,964,851,502.
if it keeps at the current pace it should reach 5 billion in around 4 days

>>13531346
>barely beats kson & rushia even with event buffs
>certain to take home less than kson after cover's jew cut
and they say lamy is successful kek

oh, gen5 schizo is here

>>13532592
>Anon fell for the meme
Niji is as restrictive as Holo anon, this is beyond the rumored cancelled Kiara and Pomu collab.
And if Selen's yesterday stream is something to go by, EN branch is hold on leash.

>gen5 schizo appeared exactly at SEA break time
damn

https://www.excite.co.jp/news/article/E1637563810935/
Flare's says it's not straight up a musical, but that it does have some story elements instead of just being a regular concert
Marine says it's supposedly more "musical-like" and tell a story through song and dance instead of the usual idol concerts where they just sing stand alone songs, so really I have no fucking idea what to expect.

>>13533066
>Selen's yesterday stream
what happened?

>>13532592
Anon the Holo """restrictions""" are just no schizo shit and no political shit.

Gen 5 schizo is probably a MASSfag.

>>13533205
NTA
https://youtu.be/-fPjyUemiwU
The whole Twitter thing was weird but at the same time it fits with all Niji EN activity on it.
Is like there were mandated to keep some sort of relationship by force.

>>13531251
If you watch Twitch you can see a lot of Vtubers with more than 1k ccv these days. NijiEn's numbers are just fine but I think we should stop comparing them to HoloEn

>>13533703
You're not gonna trick me into watching Selen. Just tell the story.

>>13533703
Timestamp?

>>13534003
>>13534005
Timestamp
https://youtu.be/-fPjyUemiwU?t=1669
She has to go through her social media and reply to nijis and stuff.
She says at some point "I've never taken this long" implying she does this regularly.
It could just be her own autism

>>13534239
That's just Selen's autism, it's how she's always been

Does collabing with Kson help Vshojo gain more JP fans? Will they like Connor?

>>13532748
>virtualyoutubers subreddit
First mistake anon
That place is closer to /here/ than you think

>>13531782
Watame didn't shill it because she knows it was disappointing compared to Suisei's
Look at everyone (holos) saying they watched it, watched the archive, or told her that they watched it and loved it
Then look at Watame's live in comparison
Additionally, they don't call her Hoshillmachi Suisei for a reason

>>13534341
Her main gachis are nips so no. Honestly, it seems mouse and connor shouldn’t have even been there so those who understand might be pissed for suddenly inserting themselves into a mel/kson stream

>>13534341
I can tell that most Kson fans just want Kson to collab with Hololive.

There's more excitement when she brings up her roommate than with any other vtuber she collabs with.

>>13534341
The think he is a leech
>>13534575

Seeing the positive feedback from Kson's collab with Vshojo, I really wish GunRun can at least try to convince Kson to join their company. Any faggots seething about company loyalty can fuck off though, the world is not some altruistic place for people to keep staying the same.

>>13534681
>positive feedback

>>13534681
>"if i were to go corpo again i would just go back to hololive"

>>13534681
Positive feedback this stream fucking sucks.
It actually alienating her main audience and her actually en fans.

>>13534681
Here's a (You)

>>13534681
>positive feedback
where did you look?

>>13534756
Enough time has passed before then and I don't think she will keep that sentiment.

As a former Coco fan,I want kson to crash and burn without Hololive.

Make it clear to the other girls that they can't go on without Hololive.

>>13534801
YouTube comments

>>13534838
>>13534681

Watch Cover's black magic work, and see kson go into a decline if she keeps this up.

>>13534681
She would always go back to wherever Kanata is.

>>13534898
that shit doesnt even need cover's black magic, its obviously an insanely stupid idea when the majority of her gachis are clearly nips

>>13534874
Those are just desperate Vshojo fans trying to make joining Vshojo look like a good idea.

We know that JPs barely comment anything, so all of those english comments are sure to be from Vshojo fans.

>>13534898
Nah don't worry, she has her own black magic that attract gachikoi.

>>13534681
Did the magic fairies tell you this positive feedback?

>holopro
5,044,090,283

>nijisanji
5,695,487,559

>>13535282
OH NO OH NO OH NO OH NO HOLOBROS???

>>13535282
January 2021 numbers
>holopro
2,031,408,690

>nijisanji
3,409,222,103

>>13535282
Tick Tock? What's the current growth rate for both, give or take?

>>13535282
>>13535427
Meaning, in 2021, Hololive erased about 800M difference?
That would put their interception point on around .... August next year

Tick and Tock indeed

>>13535427
monthly total vod views

>>13535564
getting mogged while having more than triple the other side's members is just sad.

>>13533143
So it gonna be like the MV where they take you on a tour around their world

>>13525424
Yeah they did, they got into a big drama fest with nux

>>13535282
HoloEN October monthly views > NijiEN overall total views.

>>13535724
Yet Niji is still earning more money than Holos rumao

>>13535825
sauce?

>>13535564
>Nijisanji won October
Did I read it wrong? What happened?

>13535825
>Says this anon's ass

>>13535825

the voices in your head told you this?

>>13535867
>>13535885
Cover's 2020-2021 report only had them catching up to 2019-2020 Anycolor

>>13535885
its 208m vs 287m

>>13535884

Look at both again

>>13528442
It's your time matomeshitter, bring some hot takes about it from your usual places.

>>13528509
Based

Host towa and Mel
https://youtu.be/WZmghCr_nvM

>>13536306
Mel has been so active lately that it's scaring me lmao.

don't forget to watch the future kuzuhas and kanaes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zStCQXK8xNI

>>13536535
forgot the image

>>13536535
>>13536584
Ew.

>>13528191
could you add gen 3 as a whole?

>>13535022
VShojo is popular in Japan tho? They even have a deal with Nippon TV.

>>13536584
Better than Sony

>>13532748
>virtualyoutubers
That place is nijishill central

>>13536838
>They even have a deal with Nippon TV.
You are selling VShojo short here, it is NipponTV trying to use their clout to expand westward and not the other way around
https://www.ntv.co.jp/english/pressrelease/20211006.html

>Nippon TV, Japan's leading multiplatform entertainment powerhouse, announced today that it is bringing what was a new business initiative into full swing.
>The company is expanding V-Clan, its VTuber business, overseas to develop and produce VTuber content. A VTuber, short for Virtual YouTuber, is an avatar YouTuber created with 2D or 3D illustrations.
>As part of its efforts to expand the network internationally, Nippon TV is partnering with VShojo, a major VTuber talent agency in North America.

>>13536838
being in a group of only english speakers would filter her jops hard

>>13536912
Every corpo is bandwagoning on the vtuber thing and virtual entertainment. Can't someone just buy Cover already and have them debut KR/ES? If it was microsoft, they would already have their branches taking care of the gens.

>>13536838
>>13536912
Here is the english homepage of the NipponTV project that partnered with VShojo
https://v-clan.jp/produce_en/

VShojo is unironically larger than the sum of the "300 vtubers" VClan boasts of managing.

>>13536912
Yes, VShojo is popular enough in Japan that a Japanese TV network is trying to use them as a gateway to the West. I said nothing wrong.

>>13537077
If Cover gets bought out, then their workplace culture might suffer.

>>13532748
>r/vyt
Mods there are Nijiniggers, and there's two, not mods but Nijinigger whiteknights, one who would always appear every Niji posts, comments, thing is he's more stealth about hating Holo's, he has Unity as flair. He's Shinobihost. But its obvious who he really bias. Then there's another one, who actively claim Niji as better than Hololive, always, and he's that typical Nijinigger that praise Niji then throw as shade towards Holo. but unlike that Nijinigger Shinobihost, Panda s1 doesn't appear on every Niji posts.

Also, the mod whose active there is a Chink leaf, is a big Nijinigger. know whose another Chink leaf? Artia. That should tell you alot.

What does Vshojo even offer when you join their group? You get to label yourself as Vshojo? You get to use their so called defense force thingy? Do they take cuts?
>>13537077
>buy Cover and go full money making mode
will kill them faster than you can spell the words YAGOO.

>>13537206
Better management than any nip companies.

>>13537228
Their recent drama just showed that they aren't any better.

Even being generous to them, it means that they suck at opsec if an outsider like Nux manages to get his hands on that kind of info.

>>13537077
that would be kino. imagine hololive hololens mesh

kanata made a simulwatch frame as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9GSfyrZn1w

>>13537315
>kept things quiet and protected their talents from doxxing
>took down phishing websites within days
>acted in concert with law enforcement and cybersecurity experts every step of the way
>at no point did they demand their talents issue a public apology to anyone
They're way more competent than Cover or even Anykara when it comes to defending their talents.

>>13537194
I can pretty much recognize all the Nijishills with RES showing how many times I've downvoted them.

They must be internally seething that Hololive posts still gain the majority of the upvotes in their sub.

>>13537444
Their plans still got foiled because info managed to leak to an outsider.

Also, they already put out contradicting statements.

>>13537206
Taking cuts would be an instant deal breaker to Kson. Imagine finally having to not pay any form of cuts just to pay them again for little to no benefits.

>>13537503
No they didn't, stop believing the bullshit VShojo-antis on this board parrot

>>13537206
>western company
>buying cover
LOL. That's the end of hololive as we know it.

>>13537563
Stop defending companies, shill.

People should stop bootlicking corpos and start watching indies. Every corpo has proved they are incompetent.

>>13537377
Numbers on the main channel will decrease but in a marketing sense, this is much much better.
Overlap Queen Risu or Iofi should do a watchalong to redeem themselves. To get HoloID Only Audience (If there are any)

>>13537615
VShojo isn't a real company in the first place, they don't behave like the moneygrubbing corpos that Cover and Anykara are you retard.

>>13537615
>>13537645
/#/ not /morals/
Post numbers

>>13537377
on the cunt list she goes

>>13537645
DYRBI? Vshojo is as much of a scam as Cover and Anykara.

>>13537450
They're all petty fucks, they've probably been eternally seething at Hololive since Hololive were nobodies. I know, because i was there during the great seething when Hololive was starting to gain attraction towards EOPs. And that's also how i got gatekept to Niji's fandom. that Back when Asacoco 1.0

Right now, everyone, even in the Hololive subreddit's underestimating Hololive's presence in Korea. I really hope Cover makes a Korean branch. I want to see those Nijiniggers in vyt seethe and sour-grape post. I know they will be there, while again, throwing a shade towards Holo.

>>13537688
>numbers
VShojo are already equal to mid-tier holos/high-tier nijis and this latest attempt by Nux to bring them down will only make them stronger

>>13537754
>mid tier Holos
I hope you meant "Vshojo" not "Mouse Vei and Nyanners".
>high tier Nijis
DYRB

>>13537754
Kek, Vshojo isn't only composed of 3 streamers, retard.

Vshojo's overall median CCV can't even beat HoloEN mid tiers, even with YT culling HoloEN's CCV.

>>13537833
VShojo's overall median CCV is still higher than low-tier holos like Matsuri/Mel/Aki and way higher than mid-tier nijis that get like 2k

>>13537754
Vshojo doesn't have Cover's black magic. Nux's drama and new agency will start the decline of Vshojo as new competitors on Twitch start to rise.

>>13537867
Contradicting >>13537754
but fair enough. Though beating low tier Holos and mid tier Nijis isn't exactly a high bar

>>13537377
Cunt move

>>13537886
No one supports Nux, everywhere you go people are agreeing that VShojo did the right thing and were protecting people from doxfags.

>>13537867
>Matsuri/Mel/Aki

Being slightly above the low tier JPs is nothing to be proud of, especially with YT cull taken into account.

Besides, this low tiers can reach numbers that the bottom tier of Vshojo can only dream of with the right streams.

>>13537867
How is that possible? Vshojo's top-tiers can't even beat Holos mid-tiers.

>>13537913
>Better than low-tier holos = mid-tier holo
>Better than mid-tier nijis = high-tier niji
There's no contradiction, VShojo are the only legitimate competitor to the Cover/Anykara duopoly whether in the East or the West

>>13537615

Speaking of the indie scene, Is Nimu still inclining?

>>13538057
Post numbers, dude. There's no way Vshojos are on par with high-tier Nijis.

>>13538057
>>13538057
>>Better than low-tier holos = mid-tier holo
>>Better than mid-tier nijis = high-tier niji

No. If they get 4k median to beat the 3k+ medians of Matsuri/Aki/Mel, that doesn't mean they're mid tier, that just means they're a slightly bigger fish in the midget pool.

If their overall median is somewhere around 7-11k CCV, then I'll concede that they're mid tier Holo.

>>13538041
They beat more average gens like holoJP gen 1 and gen 5 all the time so it's pretty clear that they're more than a match for the mid/low-tier holos

Alright /#/, if you're so smart and number-savvy, tell me how I can launch my favorite indie 2view into stardom.

>>13538057
High tier Nijis can reach 18k+ CCV.

Nyanners isn't even anywhere close to that.

>>13538188
Have her accepted into Hololive.

>>13538188
Neck yourself. It always works.

>>13537988
No one *in the general vtubing fanbase supports nux, the thing is Nux is an anituber and has his own dedicated following that's mostly seperate from the general vtubing sphere and those guys will deepthroat his cock no matter what anyone else says. You can already see them popping up in the various nux/vshojo threads in the catalogue waging war with the nyanners defence force

>>13538188
Join Hololive

>>13538197
>Nyanners isn't even anywhere close to that
You're right, she mogs their peak CCV at 27k

>>13538182
Where are the numbers? Gen1 and Gen5 are easily better or on par with high-tier Vshojo.

>>13538188
Have her leech off hololive like Uto or isegye idol or even be like Saruei and do official hololive merch

>>13538307
Maimoto beats that easily, and he's not even high tier.

>>13538188
Have her join a corpo and tell them she'll market herself as a cinderella story

>>13538188
Sing Hololive songs, draw Hololive girls, play Hololive games, collab with Hololive.

POST FUCKING NUMBERS YOU FUCKING CUNTS

>>13538307

She can't even achieve a single 40k+ CCV stream yet without raids.

>>13538057
This logic is so stupid. See >>13538160
Being 5k median doesn't mean that they're going to be in the same tier as 10k medians you fucking retard
>>13538182
Post numbers, liar.
October median
>29867 :: Pekora (HoloJP)
>23123 :: Suisei (HoloJP)
>22843 :: Miko (HoloJP)
>22174 :: Gura (HoloEN)
>21484 :: Subaru (HoloJP)
>17658 :: Rushia (HoloJP)
>17423 :: Aqua (HoloJP)
>17066 :: Korone (HoloJP)
>16292 :: Noel (HoloJP)
>15611 :: Shion (HoloJP)
>14662 :: Mio (HoloJP)
>13935 :: Botan (HoloJP)
>13490 :: Kanata (HoloJP)
>12968 :: Fubuki (HoloJP)
* HoloJP: 12401
>12239 :: Kuronii (HoloEN)
>11036 :: Inanis (HoloEN)
>10739 :: Nene (HoloJP)
>10240 :: Flare (HoloJP)
>10164 :: IRyS (HoloEN)
>10150 :: Okayu (HoloJP)
* HoloEN:: 10120
>9566 :: Mumei (HoloEN)
>9481 :: Nyanners (Vshojo)
>9409 :: Ironmouse (Vshojo)
>9318 :: Haato (HoloJP)
>8888 :: Lamy (HoloJP)
>8845 :: Calliope (HoloEN)
>8743 :: Baelz (HoloEN)
>8618 :: Watame (HoloJP)
>8504 :: Polka (HoloJP)
>8417 :: Mel (HoloJP)
>8131 :: Fauna (HoloEN)
>8097 :: Veibae (Vshojo)
>7810 :: Amelia (HoloEN)
>7745 :: Luna (HoloJP)
>7635 :: Kiara (HoloEN)
>5601 :: Towa (HoloJP)
* VShojo :: 5531
>5396 :: Matsuri (HoloJP)
>5354 :: Aki (HoloJP)
>4980 :: Sana (HoloEN)
>4877 :: Sora (HoloJP)
>3858 :: Apricot (Vshojo)
>3556 :: Zentreya (Vshojo)
>3517 :: Roboco (HoloJP)
>3449 :: Choco (HoloJP)
Gen 1 would be at 8290 and Gen 5 at 10516
>13538307
>peak
Reminder that Kuzuha is a high tier Niji and is not on Twitch

>>13538386
that got me thinking, when that hololive game finally comes out, every indie under the sun is gonna play it to chase the clout

>>13538310

>>13538402
Holo/niji average in november so far

>>13538402
That's average, not median.

>>13538425
Can't wait to see a bunch of indies hit record highs like they did on the kusoge Korone game.

>>13538425
If they do and it leads into the game being a massive success, I'll forever kneel to Hololive's black magic.

>>13538431

>>13538533
the game doesn't even need to be good. as long as it's decent, it will do very well

Why does anybody ever try to compare Twitch CCV and Youtube CCV when they're clearly completely different figures?

It's such an odd dick measuring contest everyone fixates on when there's a billion different measures that would give you a more accurate direct comparison.

>>13538604
If you go by income then the leaked Twitch data shows that VShojo girls take home more money than holos too.

>>13538188
Basically what the other guys said, cover yourself in hololive and hope some of their magic rubs off on you

>>13538431
See >>13538402 and >>13538449
Botan is easily better than Pink Cat even without raids. There's no way Vshojo is better than Gen 5.

>13538431
>13538577
>nitpicking comparisons
>not even a month's worth of data
>max viewers, aka peaks that can be easily affected by raids
>is definitely not going to include low tier Vshojos because they don't count for some reason
Go on.

>>13538449
Only 17 Nijis in Top 50 (3 in Top 10) despite:
>Aqua, Ayame, and Korone not included (since they didn't have more than 5 streams)
>Hololive Ch (well it's always not included since it only does premieres)

>>13538431
>>13538577
jesus fucking christ why nitpick when you literally already have all the numbers here? >>13538402
>>13538449

>>13538636
Did any of the girls who made it into Council do any Hololive sucking up themselves in the first place? All I can think of is Bae's eternal Roberu love.

>>13538431
>>13538679
Last time pink Gura streamed on youtube, she couldn't even reach 5k CCV.

>>13538644
>>13538679
Because he's a disingenuous fucktard who's only here to push his agenda and not actually acknowledge the facts on the ground

>>13538629
Where's the numbers?

>>13538720
Even worse, he's an ESL.

so.. Today is niji+holo vs vshojo+twitch?
midget number time? because clearly top of vshojo can't match top of either niji and holo

>views split between spwn, Niconico, kanata, kiara, and the main channel
>gen 3 enthusiasm is waning
It will slip.

>>13538796
oh please its just one delusional touristchama

do they show the ccv on niconico?

>>13538449
Colors should be reversed since hololive has a blue motif

>>13538830
When IronMouse surpasses Pekora, I will laugh. Remember that IronMouse has been on the incline. Remember.

Here is something to put some numbers in this discussion

>Sora mean average in November 2021 so far is 3835
With that number she outranks every VShojo other than the top 3

>Lamy average in November so far is 8159
With that number she outranks every VShojo but Nyanners

>Kanata mean average in November so far is 9890
With that number she outranks Nyanners

>13538910
Hey, gypsy fortune telling about things that will never happen is reserved for Nijis.

>>13538449
>3.6 mil sub Vtuber
>speaks language understood by 80% of the global population
>"most popular Vtuber in the world"
>only 7th place
OH NO OH NO OH NO CHUMPEDOS, HOW DO WE SAVE GURA???

>>13538425
>>13538525
>>13538533
>>13538594
Free advertisement.

Is it just me or ENVtuber fans are kinda fickle? When Nux released the vid, everyone is hailing him as some sort of savior. But then as soon as Vshojo released their statement, they turned on Nux and started cancelling him.

>>13538307
Gura doesn't even reach 27k nowawadays rumao
Pink Nyanners > Blue Nyanners

>>13539007
yes, because most of the vshojo fans are the same breed as the twitter SJWs that work themselves into a seething rage when a celeb didn't endorse LGBT hard enough, this kind of stuff is par for the course for them.

>>13538959
We don't, let the fucking EN branch die a pathetic death. We only need JP to thrive. Foreign branches ruin and contaminate the culture. Tenno Heika Banzai! Tenno Heika Banzai! Tenno Heika Banzai!

>13539008
>using Twitch peaks to compare to fucking Gura of all people
Look I know you're stupid but there's a limit to it

>>13539007
Pretty sure anyone with half a brain new Nux was overstepping his line when he went all Batman on the doxxers.

There's a reason why vigilantism isn't a thing in real life. You're more than likely to screw over the proper authorities than help them

>>13539156
Actually no, everyone was praising him for doing that. They only started shitting on him when Nyanners made that discord message thing and then all the indie en vtubers suddenly changed their tune because it turns out that sucking up to vshojo is more important than sucking up to Nux

>>13536306
Kuzuha becomes a female vampire and gets mogged by Mel. Now Mel is becoming a male vampire to really show who the dominant vampire is.

>>13538525
And then return to their usual numbers

>>13539008
She just reached 35k CCV about a week ago.

>>13539208
So pink cat makes things worse yet again?

>>13539208
Kinda funny when EN indies are taking everything Vshojo members say like they're gospels. What happened to not liking corporate vtubers anyway?

>>13539303
Anything for a collab chance!

>>13539267
It is a shame that indies never seem to be able to retain any of the viewership from a one-off buff game like that. An indie I follow hit a significant peak a month or so back with a completely blind Nightmare DOOM run and then divebombed to like a fraction of that viewership for all of her streams in other games the rest of the month.

>>13539303
A lot of indies want to take their cake and eat it too.

They want the exposure that being in a corpo gives you, while not having to work under restrictions and not having to pay a cut.

>>13539294
yep

>>13539303
Anon, everyone who's anyone in the indie en vtubing sphere sucks corporate cock. Disliking corpo vtubers has never been a particularly popular sentiment outside of seething 2views jealous of Hololive's success, because most of them only got into vtubing because of hololive.

>>13539303
They want to join Vshojo.

>>13539344
Does vshojo Collab with 2views?

>>13539352
It's because the real way to build an audience is to have some sort of narrative going on.

WHO WOULD WIN THIS HEAD TO HEAD BATTLE TO THE HIGHEST PEAK?

>the notorious Pink Cat, the biggest VShojo star, the millions sub behemoth armed with the full force of the Twitch FrontPage, a well publicized charity stream and the backing of the biggest american vtuber company in the world
>Hajime

THE ANSWER WILL ANGER, CONFUSE, BAFFLE YOU AND FORCE YOU TO WATCH HIS 30 MIN LONG RAKUGO

>>13539373
>that wall of text
Damn, I'm thankful that hololive/nijisanji will never be like this

I was browsing matome and they were talking about shion and fbk pokemon sword and shield archive coming back. So i checked shion channel and its really back. Can hololive play older pokemon now?

>>13537563
What's your opinion on this >>13539373

>>13539395
Some do, and also they are just generally more lose about collabs in general because they operate like regular streamers do and that means that a collab chance is just one twitter dm away.

>>13539437
No idea, but maybe they worked somethign out with the pokemon company. Mori and Kiara did say that this time the permissions doesn't have an end date

>>13539399
How does a 2view even do that, though? Most of the narratives I've seen drive streamer growth involve already-large channels in the middle of group content.

I totally get why so many people burn out so quickly if they don't manage to break out early on. It actually hurts looking at the kind of number struggles the bulk of Vtubers face, even the ones who look like they're on an uptick.

>>13539274
Doesn't count faggot
GURA MOGGED GURA MOGGED

>>13539448
I don't think any of those people are 2view level.

>>13539448
God, I still remember just how much of a shitshow that collab was. Not even the good kind of scuff.

>>13539501
Minecraft, or some other kind of long running game where you can go back to it every so often to build up a consistent narrative.

>>13539501
>How does a 2view even do that, though?

Either join a circle of indies they can get along with and hope they all get noticed at some point.

or

Be involved in drama.

or

Join a company, like what Suisei and Kuzuha did. Suisei has her own Cinderella story from her indie days.

>>13539625
Basically become Vshoujo.

>>13538188
Contract one of the Holo mama's to design their model and have them use Hololive tags.

>>13539571
Speaking of, did anything notable happen to Zen?

>>13539625
You do know Kuzuha was already big even before he joined Niji right?

Also, yeah, either be embroiled in drama (like Chibidoki) or join small unofficial groups. Or suck corporate dick and hope they notice you

Baelz 10k
>Baelz 10k
Baelz 10k
>Baelz 10k

>>13539776
Chibidoki has drama?

I just stumbled upon the tvtropes page for Hololive and Niji

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WebAnimation/Hololive
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WebAnimation/Nijisanji

Comparing them both, the Niji tropes page is kinda barren compared to the Hololive tropes page.

At this point, more people will audition for Vshojo instead of Hololive. With Vshojo, they get the support and even connection to get a 3D model. And if Vshojo wants to go to that route, they can totally rent a studio if talents want to perform on stage in 3D. In Hololive, there's no guarantee you will succeed, I mean, look at Sana, Fauna and Kiara, they get pathetic numbers but on Vshojo, those who work hard will get at least 8k-10k median.

>>13539782
I'd hope so, they're making good progress on the game and tis also starting to get late enough that SEA+ AUS is getting back from school.

>>13539625
>Be involved in drama.
And this is why the indie en vtubing sphere is pretty much a never ending calvacade of petty drama, because it's pretty much the only sure fire way to get some eyeballs on you. Hell, nobody would've heard of Kyutto if some retards hadn't thrown a fit over her loli avatar, and now she's one of the more successful twitch indie vtubers. Bad publicity is still publicity really holds true for indie vtubers.

>>13539832
>Artgun 3d
Yea I think I'd rather fucking neck myself thanks.

>>13540022
Kek, imagine thinking Japanese 3D tech is any better

>>13539832
u're saying as if 3d is the endgoal

>>13540022
Kek, imagine replying to obvious bait

>13539832
Nice try 3 Vshojo doesn't represent that they're a successful group >>13538402 can't even beat Sana, Kiara and Fauna Kek

>>13539825
I'm pretty sure the niji tv tropes page is only made because hololive has a tv tropes page, so obviously it'd be less well maintained

>>13539807
Need I remind you of the Vtuber thighs drama?

>>13540152
That's kyutto, not chibidoki.
Unless you're refering to some other vtuber thighs drama

>>13540087
Gimme More of those hooks, we're at bump limit anyways and I'm booorrrreeeeeed (I'm okay with baitposting and pointless shitflinging once bump limit is reached, I'm more annoyed when it happens at the start of a new thread)

>>13540183
Yeah I'm a retard. I meant Kyutto

>>13539747
He got a new model, something more robotic.

>>13540284
If you're a Holofag, which group do you prefer, NijiEN or Vshojo?

>>13540284
Oh fuck off, make your own bait thread if you like biting bait so much. Or better yet, take part in the fifteen bait threads currently infesting the catalogue because of the nux/vshitshow drama and vshocucks running damage control

Any Big YouTubers or streamers that would play the holo game?

>>13540117
Nijikeks desperately trying to copy the fan projects of Hololive, yet doesn't have enough fans to do it.

>>13540407
NijiEN

>>13539008
Anon, literally yesterday https://holo.poi.cat/stream/8qESYeTMQ2w go fuck yourself retard

>>13540407
NijiEN because it doesn't have pink cat in it

>>13540407
Why would I go for Hololite?

At least Vshojo has actual creative freedom and is radically different from Hololive.

>>13539675
Or UniVirtuals

>>13540284
Do you think anyone in Nijisanji will jump ship to Sony?

>>13540432
Some Anons just can't help themselves, and that's why the thread goes turboshit during bait hours and bump limit. Worse now than before since /qa/ is RIP.

>>13540545
The what?

>>13540407
NijiEN is more reminiscent of HoloEN than the Twitch culture that fills Vshojo, which has always been its biggest turn-off for me. If I had to choose, I'd definitely choose NijiEN.

>>13540573
If I didn't want shitposting, I wouldn't have visited this website.

>>13540532
Yeah but it has pink cat in it

Can't freaking wait for nux to bring his fans and hell fire onto vshojo. This guys loves drama. Be scared vshojotard

>>13540576
Yes

>>13540633
You have fifteen fucking threads to shit in, fuck off

>>13540407
NijiEN of course, Why would I prefer a group that invites drama?

>>13540573
What happened with /qa/ anyway?

This place may be docile and off topic now but when the gen 3 concert slips it will be glorious. Us nijisanji fans are licking our lips at the 35k this will get.

>>13540711
It got locked down and now no one can post in it.
And good riddance too since it's long since outlived its purpose and basically became a place for retards to circlejerk themselves for being retards

>>13540711
It was nuked since they threatened to doxx the mods/admins apparently.

>>13540605
Lol NijiEN copied Holos style and themes so of course they'd be similar.

>>13540770
is there a niji stream that will beat that today?

>>13540842
nice, someone should do the same with jp

>concert on in 20 minutes
>only 4k in waiting
lel
it is too early for it
and it's thursday
and anyone who cares bought tickets
and the views will be leached by other members
this will not win a strong gold if any gold at all. 35k, 40k tops.

>>13540407
VShojo because i hate nijifags

>>13540407
i hate Niji, but i take Niji anyday than a group of whore

>>13541294
>it is too early for it
>and it's thursday
>and anyone who cares bought tickets
Anon, Suisei's sololive was also under those condition and she still get 42k. Sankisei is more popular than Suisei alone.

>>13541294
Pretty sure it will have around 30mins of waiting before the free-portion actually starts.
I say it still can go 50k-60k.

Besides even if it only get 40k, does Niji have anything that can get 40k+ today?

Did Hololive main ch just fucking drop the new episode of maruyama 20 minutes before the free part as a waiting room? That's fucking numberfag genius.

>>13541403
There are 2 leaches and niconico
> Sankisei is more popular than Suisei alone.
Yes. And they bought tickets.

>>13541436
Well, at least it’s a step up from what they done before, overlapping it with lives and collabs

>>13541402
Look at the graphs for past concerts, the first 20 min is always a very slow incline as people filter in and either tab out or wait for the first announcement, which causes a faster incline until it the actual free part startsz after which it rapidly inclines again until the free part is done.
In other words, wait until the free part starts to start guessing what the peak might be, because before that it's all smoke and mirrors from YouTube's end.

https://youtu.be/17PtoTFm7Rg
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HOLOLIVE OFFICIAL

https://youtu.be/MfLWYoBdkUE Astrophysics is another fan creator. This is just going to get more people to make free stuff for Hololive.

>>13541535
The same thing as usual?

>>13541436
Oh they did.
Well then, looks like someone's been thinking about when to drop them instead of dropping them head-to-head vs big events.

Noel surely uses anti slip shoes and puts chains in her tyres

>>13541403
Retard, Suisie's concert was unwatchable for the first hour on SPWN.
It was 10 fps so people were switching to youtubbe.

kanata and kiara having a combined waiting room of 3.5k, say it with me, they are royal cunts.

>>13541294
>numbersfagging jops waiting numbers
Anon…

This is Gen 3 Concert, all of them are much famous than Coco.
I say it'll get 500k easy.

>>13541812
I pity (You).

>>13541553
Was kinda expecting him to collab with Gura first after she sang his version of Fly me to the Moon, but this is also cool.

>>13541812
Same anon here, sorry, I misspoke. I meant 15k.

Sorry for looking like I was falseflagging

It won't hit 60k. Mark my words.

Go big or go home. Free part will get 100k

>>13542043
> social distancing
How many brownie points Cover is trying to collect from the JP government?

>>13542089
Cover needs to make Calli Japanese.

>>13542125
No amount of brownie points can make that happen.

>>13542089
considering they got the Japan consulate person to pose with their members, I would say quite a bit

>>13542148
So about 8k of hololive watchers should just neck themselves, better take out your oshi while you're at it.

>>13542089
Should they do Anykara way by not letting screenshot/photo/recording?

>>13542043
>Kuzuha concert was way more packed than this
who were the faggots claiming holo were more popular in Japan?

>>13541436
It's some unreleased cuts from Season 1. Season 2 starts next week and is every 2 weeks.

>>13542227
That is preshow anon. We still have half an hour to go.

>>13542204
>noooo only anykara is evil and doesn't allow recordings
oh no no no looks like cover hates recordings too

>>13542148
Are there really people out there with bad enough taste they'd want to listen to Kiara's awful chicken voice spouting "commentary" over the singing of the 3rd gen?

>>13542204
photo is okay

>>13542227
Social distancing is being practiced. Atleast try to get some context before saying retarded shit.

>>13542259
>larping as a retard
ngmi

>>13542280
me

>>13542287
>social distancing
>cover still pretends the chinkflu is real
right, tell me again all about how cover is not in bed with the chinks

>>13542227
Preshow anon if this is niji they would be doing audience interview shit.

>>13542259
Screenshots have always been fine, what faggot days RECORDINGS have ever been fine? NEITHER CORP has ever been okay with recording.

>>13542315
>larping
u're complimenting him anon

>11 minutes in
>still a flat screen

>only 20k watching
No gold. No gold. No gold.
I'm a hololive fan but I can see the writing on the wall for us. We're not winning.

NIJIKEKS DON'T LOOK

>>13542259
I just wanted to post this again.

come on, the numbers aren't even high yet

>>13542335
Does this retard think Cover rule over Japan or something? i dont mind, though