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Lost in Time Edition

>Recommended reading charts. (Look here before asking for vague recs)
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb
>Archive
>>>/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg
>Goodreads
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

Previous Thread: >>24000463

>> No.24009846

>>OP
First for time loops are shit

>> No.24009861

Ffs , why can't I find interesting ideas in published stuff like how I do in Royal Road?

It's always the most generic shit possible. Less imagination than even videogames

>> No.24009864

>>24009861
>"why can't i find interesting ideas among shit that got through 8 layers of middle-aged shitlib white women all with their own ideas of what a selling book is"

>> No.24009878

>>24009861
Because traditional publishers are completely obsolete.

>> No.24009923
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Quoted by: >>24017971

>>24009846

>> No.24009930

>>24009861
If you want ideas try >>>/lit/wg and >>>/lit/wbg

>> No.24010006
Quoted by: >>24010061

>>24009861
pray tell what do you consider an interesting idea

>> No.24010061
Quoted by: >>24011000

>>24010006
Well, certenly not character driven drama with a fantasy backdrop.

How about you go first?

>> No.24010126
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>> No.24010367

inventing litrpg romantasy, a concept so awful that all of /lit/ immediately kills themselves

>> No.24010411
Quoted by: >>24010860

At forty-eight years old, with a new beard just beginning to turn gray, he’s already one of the most successful fantasy writers in history. But today, he seems a little anxious: “If my career is going to crash and burn, this is the book that’ll do it.”

Renarin and Rlain, are further confirmed to be queer...he sees himself as “more liberal than the general tenor of the church.”....“It’s a bigger statement not to include queer characters than to include them,”

“I actually tried three different endings with three different alpha and beta reader groups, to see what their responses would be. I ended up with an ending that’s none of the three. It turns out what I needed was an amalgamation with different parts of each, and I hadn’t been able to figure that out until I was reading the feedback.”

“If I don’t do hard things, then am I actually pursuing art?”

His current plan for Stormlight books 6 through 10 is that they’ll focus on the characters Lift, Renarin, Shalash, Talenel, and Jasnah

His teenagers and a staff of more than sixty people depend on him

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/books/a63071459/brandon-sanderson-wind-and-truth-interview/

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Quoted by: >>24018374

>there's no kraken
>maybe?
Wyndham is underrated

>> No.24010467
Quoted by: >>24010638

>>24009861
recommend web fiction anon.

>> No.24010523 [DELETED] 
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My books!

>> No.24010638

>>24010467
Pale Lights

>> No.24010652

>>24009846
I agree that they usually suck, but the Dark Matter TV show had a time loop episode that was very good (better than any time loops in literature, movies or other TV shows, IMO).

>> No.24010674
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Actually good sff:
>The Time Machine
>The Coming of Conan
>The Hobbit
>Titus Groan
>The Broken Sword
>The End of Eternity
>The Stars My Destination
>Solaris
>Dune
>Lord of Light
>A Wizard of Earthsea
>The Knight of the Swords
>Swords and Deviltry
>The Forever War
>The Shadow of the Torturer
>Fevre Dream
>Neuromancer
>Bridge of Birds
>Ender's Game
>Assassin's Apprentice
>A Game of Thrones
>The Darkness That Comes Before
>Black Leopard, Red Wolf
>Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
>Berserk
>Lovecraft's Tales
>Borges Labyrinths
>Dick's Selected Short Stories
>The Jack Vance Treasury
>John Crowley's Otherwise
>The Very Best of Fantasy and Science Fiction Sixtieth Anniversary Anthology
>The Oxford Book of Science Fiction
>The Oxford Book of Fantasy

>> No.24010675

>>24010652
>>24009846
your pleb is show. You've never read book of the new sun 3 to 5 times to fully understand it

>> No.24010684

>>24010675
That's on my list to read.

>> No.24010806
Quoted by: >>24010903

>>24010652
>>24010674
>>24010675
Time travel is not possible.

>> No.24010813
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So is it actually good

>> No.24010860

>>24010411
This is disgusting

>> No.24010875 [DELETED] 

I’m reading Claw of the conciliator, recently finished chapter 22. It’s really good, just as good as Shadow of the torturer. I’ve already ordered and received Sword & Citadel, I’ll probably be starting it by Saturday night. BOTNS is my first book I’m reading as an adult for enjoyment, I’m completely hooked.

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Quoted by: >>24015481

I’m reading Claw of the conciliator, recently finished chapter 22. It’s really good, just as good as Shadow of the torturer. I’ve already ordered and received Sword & Citadel, I’ll probably be starting it by Saturday night. BOTNS is my first book I’m reading as an adult for enjoyment, I’m completely hooked.

>> No.24010903

>>24010806
oh word? Anything else in scifi/fantasy not real?

https://youtu.be/IfFNJ7mEOgI?si=95WYO92oulgOKrWJ

>> No.24010942
Quoted by: >>24011062

>>24010652
To clarify the TV show is the one from 2015-2017 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4159076/
I don't want to trick anyone into watching the other show called Dark Matter (I never watched that one).

>> No.24010946

>>24010367
Too late, Bioware already claimed a monopoly on that

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Quoted by: >>24011014

>>24010061
>>i find this interesting
>like what
>>nuh uh, you first

>> No.24011004

I’m reading BOTNS, but I’ve also been researching Philip K Dick.

>> No.24011008

Akaso: https://www.amazon.com/Retribution-Engine-Vol-Rising-War/dp/B0BNZFV2CP/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

Any good?

>> No.24011014

>>24011000
I'm in /lit/ , I'm not gonna answer a no-win question , fuck that jazz

>> No.24011062
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>>24010942
>open link
>immediately greeted by some roastie with green hair

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>>24010674
>Ender’s Game
>A Game of Thrones
>no Ian M. Banks

>> No.24011093

>>24011081
Haven't read his scifi yet but Wasp Factory was pretty good

>> No.24011157

>>24009846
Time travel is bad writing... Time loops especially so.

>> No.24011326
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How do authors write sexually attractive female pirates without having them be raped or attempted to get raped by every tentacle, skeleton, zombie, pirate, and natives every page?

>> No.24011345

>>24011326
They probably just jerk off before sitting down to write.

>> No.24011351

>>24011326
>How do authors write sexually attractive female pirates...
real authors don't do anything like that to begin with. We need a word for low brow things like that because I do not want them near actual writers

>> No.24011420

>>24011326
write a world without sexual dimorphism, or make women barely under men in average strength.

>> No.24011481
Quoted by: >>24011497

is gentlemen bastards worth reading or is it just redditors who like it?

>> No.24011487

About to start Malazan. Found a reading order that includes the main books, the novels and the novellas ("Ultimate reading Order" in https://malazan.fandom.com/wiki/Suggested_reading_order).).
I'm excited. Any suggestions/things to expect/look out for? Heard things get very complicated very fast, is it to the point I should take notes?

>> No.24011497

>>24011481
I'll admit books are a bit reddit, but the first book is among the best fantasy books I've ever read. It's witty, well rounded, has good dialogue. Feels like oceans eleven or other great heist movies in book form
The rest of the series isn't that great (Second book feels like a giant filler arc, the third book has some very questionable narrative choices - though I still enjoyed it more than I should because I'm a sucker for romance, and the 4th book has been coming for over 11 years) but I do recommend giving the 1st book a chance, even if as a standalone

>> No.24011504

Ok, give me good coomer sff. I remember seeing "Good intentions", "Herald of Shalia" and "Hellcats" as recommendations here a fuckwhile back, are these any good?

>> No.24011505
Quoted by: >>24011509

>>24011497
Thanks anon just bought teh whole series cos fuck it

>> No.24011509

>>24011505
Nice. I've been thinking of re-reading them myself, will probably bite the bullet and get to it sooner rather than later

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Quoted by: >>24011677

Here is a specific type of recommendation I am looking for. Perhaps I can use these two on the left as a jumping off point to those who recognize them without having to spoil what the fuck happens to them. To boil it down, I am looking for stories where the MC goes through truly insane character development. I don't mean poorly thought out, or not well executed, zany for the sake of being zany. Just a situation where your mostly average character (at least within the bounds of the story) goes off and just ends up in a way that leaves you wide eyed and jaw agape upon reflection or as it happens on the page. Where the Gulf of Here to There is so large that it seems impossible to reckon how you could possibly get from their starting position to where they end up. I should also clarify that I am not looking for "chosen one" narratives. If you know who these two characters on the left are you know that they are NOT Chosen One/Le Super Speshul MC's. They just happen to go through things that are... staggering. I suspect someone might recommend Lord of Light, but I've read that it doesn't quite fit my meaning.

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Quoted by: >>24013974

>>24011326
>>24011487
>>24011497
>>24011504
jesus christ we are never going back to any form of literary fantasy are we? Women control the market, everyone's iq is dropping, porn ai chinkslop. Just circling the drain forever

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Decided to pick this up since I was sold it on the premise of being a cozy slice of life fantasy book I could read before bed. What am I really in for though?

>> No.24011628

wtf is literary fantasy? even LotR is slop.

>> No.24011671

>>24011628
ESLbro...

>> No.24011677

>>24011611
BOTNS and Mask of the Sorcerer kind of have this, but the reader isn't given a significant enough window into their life (particularly BOTNS) to really appreciate the degree to which they've changed from the story's beginning and end. Childhood's End also has this if you consider all humanity as a character.

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Quoted by: >>24011687

>>24011487
I can't imagine how awful this stretch would be. Bonehunters is when the books start becoming massive. It is a great book. But Reaper's Gale is very divisive while being the longest book. Then you get a novella in Crack'd Pot Trail which is so different than everything else in Book of the Fallen, then you get Ian C Esslemont's most loathed novel in Return of the Crimson Guard - that's 700+ pages btw. Oh then you're going to follow up with Toll the Hounds, another divisive book that has a lot of self reflection and grief Tiste Andii (though many consider it the best book Erikson has written). And what's after that? Another 700+ page Esslemont. Just read the 10 BOTF then the 5 esslemont novels. You can read Night of Knives before Bonehunters I guess.

>> No.24011687

>>24011487
>>24011681
also don't make it homework with all kinds of notes. I guess you can write down what faction characters are a part of. Don't try to remember the specifics about the malazan soldiers either other than their squad roles. Just read and enjoy.

>> No.24011870

>>24011081
just recently decided to finally give Culture a shot
reading The Player of Games. Gurgeh just touched down on Ea

liking it quite a bit

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Quoted by: >>24012022

>author has blocked you from commenting
Yes, your book fucking sucks.

>> No.24012022

>>24011939
On the other hand, I've had to block an author because his useless political opinion posts kept appearing in my feed even after I unfollowed him. I just wanted an update on the third book in the trilogy but turns out he hasn't written a word in years and just seethes on twitter all day.

Speaking of which, why are authors allowed to just not finish their series? Aren't they under contract with the publisher? I'm not talking about big authors like GRRM either

>> No.24012039

>>24012022
Roffuss?

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>>24011620
>cozy
I'm new to this sub genre as well. Havent read this one; searched cozy fantasy, this one showed up, and get myself some copy from Z

>> No.24012094

Any recs for science fantasy stories with easy to understand prose and straightforward plots? No ridiculous philosophical tracts, no purple prose, just something to pass my time with.

>> No.24012111
Quoted by: >>24012118

>>24012094
Might as well read anything that sandershit shat if you didn't want to find philosophy thing or some slightly decorated prose in your book, dont know if that guy ever made sci fi though.

>> No.24012118

>>24012111
Easy to understand prose, not prose that will put me in a coma.

>> No.24012130
Quoted by: >>24015491

>>24012039
I was talking about Nicholas Eames specifically but Rothfuss also applies.

>> No.24012218

>>24012039
>Writing a novel is like having sex. I'm really good at it, and everyone is constantly asking me to do it again.
I think this might be the cringiest author tweet I've ever seen.

>> No.24012354

>>24011620
When i saw it I thought it was a knockoff Jake's Magical market

>> No.24012442
Quoted by: >>24012456

>>24012094
Why not look in the YA category?

>> No.24012456

>>24012442
Do they make YA fantasy for men anymore?

>> No.24012477

Where can I download an epub for Wind and Truth. Please

>> No.24012486

>>24012456
Nope. It's slop, where the protag makes illogical conclusion with some shoehorned romance, and they try to pass it off adult.

>> No.24012488
Quoted by: >>24012499

>>24009846
Edge of Tomorrow, Groundhog Day, and the timeloop episodes of Agents of Shield and Phineas and Ferb were all good. Only thing I've read with one was How to Live Safely in a Wcience Fictional Universe and it dropped the ball with the resolution at the end. My time travel story will do take it further than any of that other stuff and explore it right though

>> No.24012494
Quoted by: >>24012499

>>24012477
keep an eye on zlib and libgen over the next 2 days
i would rip and upload it myself but i'm not paying $20 for no ebook

>> No.24012496
Quoted by: >>24012731

>>24012477
>begging for sanderson
>criticize sanderson for being slop
lol you fags don't know what you want in a story

>> No.24012498

>>24011628
Your heads gon be slop when it's spread across the pavement

>> No.24012499

>>24012494
Please…I need it now…
>>24012488
We are not a monolith. Bigot

>> No.24012500

>>24012499
i mean it hasn't even come out yet bro
it's actually half that price on kobo and no DRM so i'll put in a preorder and i might share it tomorrow

>> No.24012507

>>24012094
Try Lockwood and Co. It's an AU where Ghosts have been coming back all over the place and society has to adapt to avoid them and ward them away and there are organizations that go around cleansing places of hauntings it's pretty neat for the first 2 books then falls off. Plot of the first is particularly tight and fun.
>>24012456
It appealed to my sensibilities as a young boy despite having female mc. And yes it still holds up as an adult.

>> No.24012520

>>24012094
tchaikovsky
the expert system's brother

>> No.24012530

>>24012499
Never said you were

>> No.24012549

>>24012456
Sure. It's called Red Rising.

>> No.24012576

>>24012456
>Do they make YA fantasy for men anymore?
Yes, they're called web novels, light novels, and then an assortment of traditionally published that are arguable.

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>>24012094
>>24012456
no
return to Gemmell

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Holy, GRRM has nothing on Sterling Lanier. Third book in the planned trilogy is coming out in 2025. 41 years after the 2nd book from 1983.

>> No.24012731

>>24012496
>/sffg/ is one person talking to himself
This kind of thinking is the reason why I hate newfags so much, especially sanderslop fans; oh my fucking god, I'd take light novel enjoyer any day rather than a single sandergger in this board

>> No.24012755

>>24012731
Meds. Now.

>> No.24012763
Quoted by: >>24013385

>>24012731
I enjoy LNs too. Spice and wolf, rascal. Not overlord though. That was ass.

>> No.24012779
Quoted by: >>24012899

>>24012713
what does GRRM have to do with Lanier?

>> No.24012865

>>24011487
>Found a reading order
Gonna stop you right there. Just read Malazan Book of the Fallen in sequential order. Why do people overcomplicate shit like this? I didn't have any choice but to read them in the order they were published because I read each one as it came out. Why is this not good enough for you?

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Quoted by: >>24012958

Anybody here that read Kings of Paradise and can recommend a series with a similar MC?

>> No.24012899

>>24012779
Time between books in the series.

>> No.24012909
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24012909

Any other books like Spellsinger? Fun lighthearted adventure but not tacking into satire territory like Discworld.

>> No.24012913

>>24012713
>Sterling Lanier.
>Died 28 Jun 2007
>publishing book 18 years after you died
ishygddt

>> No.24012958
Quoted by: >>24013645

>>24012882
Is this pirate kino? Can you gimme a summary?

>> No.24013001
Quoted by: >>24013023

Please…epub of wind and truth…

>> No.24013023

>>24013001
Learn about mobilism

https://upfiles-urls.com/55v0

https://send.cm/dt4wz7el65ee

>> No.24013040
Quoted by: >>24013642

>>24012094
Will Wright's Cradle or The Last Horizon books maybe?. The former is more fantasy with only a hint of sci-fi (it's like a westernized cultivation novel - if that means anything to you - but the cultivation has been taken into magitech in places and the greater setting is one of multiple universes and personal AI).

The latter is literally about a space wizard in a galaxy where magic is just one of the forces available. A guy performs a spell that merges multiple futures he could have had into one, since he'd then be an archwizard in everything they learnt too. It works but in each one he has memories of the galaxy being annihilated in a different way so he then has to go on a fixing spree with his new powers and future knowledge.

Might be stretching 'science fantasy', but Mother of Learning is a scifi plot in a fantasy world, about a wizard in a sort of vaguely WW1-era world (actual good guns have just been introduced which got a lot of wizard standing out in the open in battles killed) who gets trapped in a month long time loop. It's a very logical story about someone going from an average guy to an archmage puppeting armies of golems he's built himself using knowledge over years of timeloops to accomplish his goals.

>> No.24013044

>>24013023
Omg thank you! Thank you!!!

>> No.24013124
Quoted by: >>24013160

>>24013023
thank you, i was worried about those links but the send link worked wonders

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>just finished Hyperion
>have to wait another month for audible to let me listen to the fall

REEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.24013159
Quoted by: >>24013656

>>24013137
You don't have to. You choose to.

>> No.24013160

>>24013124
Learn about mobilism
https://forum.mobilism.me/viewtopic.php?f=1293&t=5794437&hilit=Sanderson

Register there to see links, it is free. It's not as universal and all-encompassing as z-library or annas-archive, but they have all new hyped releases the very first (in comparison with other open free e-libraries).

>> No.24013187

>>24012094
The Riftwar Cycle by Raymond E. Feist.

>> No.24013200

are we ready for Wind and Truth? I start my 3 week vacation tomorrow

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>>24013137
>audiobooks

>> No.24013207

Don't post about Wind and Truth here, make a thread for it.

>> No.24013301

I don't care for WaT but I feel like I need to read it so I discover the plot organically instead of having it spoiled for me. I did this for Rhythm but goddamn was that a bad book.

>> No.24013321

Think AI is advanced enough yet to be fed Wind and Truth to cut out the padding? I want to read a real book in 1/4th of the time; not the entirety of molasses.

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>>24012731
>>24012763
Apex LNfag here. Your LN tastes are shit.

>> No.24013513
Quoted by: >>24013656

>>24013137
audiobookbay

>> No.24013548

Getting tired of fantasy & sci fi series. Can someone please recommend me a fantasy novel that is just complelely self-contained and with a very satisfying ending? Thanks so much lads

>> No.24013552

>>24013548
100 years of solitude

>> No.24013568

>>24013548
Piranesi

>> No.24013588

>>24013137
>audiobook
how do retards even do it?

>> No.24013642

>>24013040
>Mother of Learning is a scifi plot in a fantasy world
I loved that one.

>> No.24013645
Quoted by: >>24016215

>>24012958
not pirate, but kino for sure. If I had to summarize the series in one sentence, it’s about a deformed and despised outcast bending the world to his will, first to destroy it, then to save it.

Protag is probably my favorite anti-hero MC of all time, for being an absolute gigachad without ever veering into cheap wish fulfillment/power fantasy territory.

>> No.24013654

Why does everyone love Riftwar Cycle anyway?

>> No.24013656
Quoted by: >>24013709

>>24013588
>>24013159
>>24013159
>>24013513
i have adhd and cant read more then 20 mins without getting bored i listen to them at work

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>the day before Wind and Truth drops, Gurm admits he will never finish Winds of Winter
Ummmmmmmm….. Quality over quantity sisters? What’s our defense?

>> No.24013687

Read Sky's End. Red Rising but with a thick paint of YA applied over it. Not bad, if that's what you're looking for.

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>read the first 'Day'
>zzzzzzzzzzzz padding and preparation and terrible jokes and Shallan being insufferable
I skimmed through a bunch. Kaladin calling the librarian a 'book-quartermaster' was probably Sanderson's Stormlight joke.
I'm only 10% and already dislike the book lol goddammit it's so YA
I do wonder how Odivangian will grow on me by the end of the book and this mid-series finale, since he wants to shake the Heavens and disrupt the status quo. Also fucking weird to start with the Cosmere back at the start of the 2010s and now see Wit talking about casually rejecting and killing Adonalsium (wink wink). just write the more relevant cosmeres, stop patting yourself on the back for STORMLIGHT 5 LONGEST BOOK I'VE EVER WRITTEN, and finish the shit.

>> No.24013703

>>24013702
best Stormlight joke*
The joke of all time.

>> No.24013706

How do you feel about the odd poem in a fantasy style book? Just normal rhyming poetry, not the sort of 4 words 3 line break kind of slop that tiktok likes. For instance some characters pass an epitaph and it bears a cryptic poem, or they pass by a musician in town who sings a song that hints at bad things to come.

>> No.24013707

>>24013706
I don't mind them, just don't make me read several pages of poetry if there isn't any clear connection to the story

>> No.24013710

>>24013660
This man buck broke every established fantasy writer, based

>> No.24013709
Quoted by: >>24016075

>>24013656
I meant that you don't have to wait a month. You choose to wait a month because you get it free that way with your Prime subscribtion.

>> No.24013715

Wow, Sarah J Maas won the Goodreads awards for Romantasy? With a book named an X of Y and Z? Sure didn't see that one coming.

>> No.24013974
Quoted by: >>24014024

>>24011617
even their so called 'control' of the market has availed to be redundant.
every female author swears by feminism. Every female author refuse to write any nuanced romance or fiction.
It is requiring men (once again) to step up and actually write the non-stereotypical /female lead romance that women promised to write once they had a voice in the industry.
it's always the same. They demand to be let in, claiming they have so much to offer,but once they enter,they take a shit on your table and leave.

>> No.24013984

>>24013660
Brandon is kind of mediocre,but he does love fantasy.
Gurm and his ilk want red carpets and Emmys. Fantasy is just their way through.
They are the equivalent of failed journalists turning to gaming because they can't write.
Some will say this doesn't apply to gurm because he sold lots of books and made lots of money
but a writer's true success isn't measured by money as much as by legacy
Lovecraft sold nothing,yet his impact on fantasy and horror is unshakable.
Brandon will be remembered as the untalented yet hardworking writer who loved his fans and always made sure to give them the books they wanted.
What will gurm be remembered by?

>> No.24013993

So what do you guys think? Was Shaeonanra/Shauritas the secret power behind/within the Dunsult, or did they simply off him like they claimed to Kellhus?

>> No.24014024
Quoted by: >>24014047

>>24013974
I love how as soon as stronk feminist women took over fantasy all they could write was
>werewolf stalks and rapes woman
>vampire stalks and rapes woman
>fairy stalks and rapes woman
>angel stalks and rapes woman
>demon stalks and rapes woman

>> No.24014042
Quoted by: >>24015324

>>24013984
>What will gurm be remembered by?
Dark Fantasy fans.

>> No.24014047

>>24014024
they learned from the best

>> No.24014245

>final book of Stormlight part 1
>all straight couples get nuked
>a fag couple forms
There's never been a clearer sign that the Mormon is using ghost writers than this

>> No.24014258

>>24014245
well that explains how despite writing over a hundred books in the last three decades he never improved at all

>> No.24014286

>>24013984
Lovecraft was a moderately successful writer back in his day, not Hemmingway or Steinbeck level, but he had his own niche. Sanderson will be remembered for being a nice fellow, but his works themselves not so much. Maybe someone will copy his magic system and make something better in the future.
Gurm has been writing since the 90s, but he never achieved major mainstream success nor acclaim until the HBO show. Remember he lost the Nebula award to J. K. Rowling (who once claimed that Harry Potter isn't fantasy) of all people and that was before they became a diversity contest. He has always been extremely arrogant to the point he considered himself to be a misunderstood genius writer, something that got worse when the show blew up and people started to praise him mindlessly.

>> No.24014335

>>24014245
it couldn't be more clear that sanderson never believed in god in his entire life

>> No.24014383

>>24014286
you're delusional if you think the slopification of SF will reverse enough for sanderson not to be remembered as a great writer in comparison to what comes after him

>> No.24014409

>>24014383
it can't get any worse than the ai harem rpg shit tards request in this thread right now. I refuse to believe it could get lower

>> No.24014414

Sci fi is gay.

>> No.24014419

>ugly bastard protagonist rapes/manipulates women and get away with it
books for this feel

>> No.24014441
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24014441

A few days ago I remembered about the Kingkiller books and I've spent the last 24 hours lurking through old forums and r*ddit posts re-reading theories about all the mysteries still unanswered.
yeah, I know it's kinda cringe but good lord it made me feel like a happy 15 yo again
Fuck you Rothfuss, you digged your own literary grave

>> No.24014446
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>>24014441
I wish normalfags would read better books so this general wouldn't maintain such a level of filth.

>> No.24014451
Quoted by: >>24014493

Sandy has done it again. Why did I ever doubt him?

>> No.24014467
Quoted by: >>24014526

>>24014446
Isn't the book supposed to be the POV of an insufferable edgelord teenager

>> No.24014474

>>24014383
I think he's gonna be remembered the same way people remember Stepehen King, for his ideas rather than the quality of his works.
I can't picture journos portraying him as a "great master" in years to come because of his religion, maybe once he passes away and the publisher milks his franchises.

>> No.24014493

>>24014451
syladin status?

>> No.24014510

>>24014493
Basically confirmed. They have a VERY romantic dance scene in the wind and Szeth watches on full of envy that he doesn't have a similar bond to his spren. And I think they end up together on Braize at the end. Shallan masturbates herself into a stupor while watching Rlain and Renarin kissing.

>> No.24014526

>>24014467
Yes, the author

>> No.24014532

>>24014286
not to mention his pitiable,forced 'rivalry' with Tolkien.
as for regarding himself as a 'misunderstood genius' that certainly does seem to be the case, exemplified by his attempt to frame his inability to write a book in almost 20 years as a mark of genius rather than evidence of his laziness and lack of discipline,as well as absence of commitment to fans.

>> No.24014533

>>24014419
Every hentai JRPG there is, except you're the teenage girl

>> No.24014539

>>24013548
I want a standalone story too that's not one of the four Sanderson projects. Surely some indie author wrote one somewhere that's about 300 pages non-litrpg, time looping shaningans. Just a simple fantasy story that goes from point A to point B.

>> No.24014562
Quoted by: >>24014565

>Day Two Wind and Truth
>seen with Renarin talking to (gay) Drehy about his sudden boner for Rlain, the Bridge Four listener/Parshendi
HOW MANY MORE GAY SCENES WILL I BE FORCED TO READ

>> No.24014565

>>24014562
Several. They kiss several times throughout and Shallan even masturbated while watching them.

>> No.24014571

>>24013660
>>24013702
>>24014245
>>24014493
Is there a list of spoilers for WaT yet? Most of what I’m seeing is “You need to read the entire Sanderson Cinematic Universe to understand Part II.” And Dalinar dies

>> No.24014581

>>24014571
Lopen dies? I can't fucking believe it.

>> No.24014590

>>24014565
I think Sanderson might have taken it a bit far with the oily gay twerk-off to defeat Ba-Ado-Mishram but their other scenes were kinda sweet

>> No.24014610

>>24014565
>Shallan even masturbated while watching them
Bold of Sanderson, to include that after the Lift scene where she masturbated to Drehy and his husband while talking about how hot they both were.

>> No.24014641

>>24014571
I finished it last night:
Dalinar ascends and becomes Honor. He realizes that clashing with Odium, like Vin did to Ruin, would destroy the planet. He relinquishes the shard and his radiant powers.

Odium takes up the shard and becomes Retribution. He instantly kills the Stormfather and, a short time later, vaporizes Wit. The everstorm absorbs the highstorm and Stormlight vanishes from Roshar. The other shards note his ascension and Retribution goes into semi hiding.

Dalinar dies protecting Gavinor and is permanently dead.

Dalinar's coalition loses everywhere except Azir.

Shallan kills Mraize/Iyatyl and is trapped in Shadesmar with no way home. She has a brief encounter with Kelsier. Without stormlight the Ghostbloods lose interest in Roshar.

Its confirmed Shallan is Chana(herald)'s daughter. Renarin/Rlaine have several intimate scenes. Shallan masturbates furiously to them kissing in the climax of the book.

Adolin loses his leg but creates a new type of shardbearer that can summon blade/armor but no access to surges.

Kaladin takes Jerizen's place and forms a new oathpact to protect the spren from genocide from Retribution. Syl is able to take physical form and she and Kaladin share a VERY intimate dance scene. While Szeth watches on with envy. Kaladin now serves as a therapist to the other heralds.

Kaladin takes his 5th vow. Szeth does as well but then rejects his spren.

Cultivation flees the entire system like a massive bitch.

Navani/Sibling go into some kind of stasis in the tower.

Lift kills a feruchemist and saves Vasher.

Nightblood is growing.

Jasnah spends the entire book losing and is taken down several notches.

Wit revives on Scadrial and is hired as Wax's coachman just in time for Alloy of Law.

>> No.24014706

>>24014641
1. I can’t tell if the masturbation parts are shitposts.

2. Lopen and Rock status?

>> No.24014720
Quoted by: >>24015164

>>24014706
Lopen is fine. He and his cousins drive Moash off.
Rock is mentioned several times but never appears. Not shitpost. Shallan is also pregnant.

>> No.24014734
Quoted by: >>24014757

>>24014706
C'mon anon. You think Sanderson would include any actual overt sexual happenings? I'm not the spoiler fag but I was the one who asked about gay scenes and I can confirm that both
>Renarin asking Drehy for advice was a real thing as well as
>Pattern commenting on Lift ogling Sigzil, then Drehy and talking about Drehy being hot AND having a hot husband
Lift is going through puberty so it's hormonal. She wears a wrap around her budding titties.
I haven't yet read beyond Day Two.

>> No.24014757
Quoted by: >>24014796

>>24014734
>You think Sanderson would include any actual overt sexual happenings?
He has been steadily becoming more of a deviant. I thought Vin waking up NAKED next to Elend was one thing. To go from that to the Orgy party in Oathbringer...not too mention Veil's endless thoughts on what she wants to do to Kaladin... DAMN.
>I haven't yet read beyond Day Two.
Exactly.

>> No.24014775
Quoted by: >>24015384

>>24013660
All he said was "yeah I could die before it's done, that is possible of course, but it's still my priority is finishing it, and I feel healthy. What else can I say?"
And a million clickbait articles pop up saying "GRRM ADMITS HELL NEVER FINISH WOW" and a billion mouth breathing morons start parroting it on the internet.
Amazing.

>> No.24014793

>>24014446
agree

>> No.24014796

>>24014757
vinXelend was so embarrassing to read even back when i was 19/20

>> No.24014814

so what follows now in the storm light archives? Will the previous characters remain part of the story or will we move on to an entirely new cast?
Can i start reading the way of kings seriously now?

>> No.24014820
Quoted by: >>24014826

>>24013660
>Start a massive story
>actually finish it
>will write even more,even harder
GRRM is convulsing in his incest goon-basement right this very moment.

>> No.24014826
Quoted by: >>24015068

>>24014820
>>24014814
yummy yummy slop!

>> No.24014837

>>24014814
There's a ~10 year timeskip and then the back 5 roster is comprised of people we already know.
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/367-skyward-release-party/#e11620

>> No.24014839

>>24014814
Short timeskip. The previous characters will still be relevant aside from the dead ones. Unfortunately one entire book will focus on that fag boy Renarin.

>> No.24014845
Quoted by: >>24014850

>>24014641
Now do this for Sunlit Man please.

>> No.24014850

>>24014845
+ Yumi

>> No.24014855
Quoted by: >>24014869

I'm thinking of starting Hyperion. Thoughts? should I read all the 4 books?

I still need to finish Death's End of The Three Body Problem. Dark Forest and the first book was waaaaaaaay better.

>> No.24014869

>>24014855
You can just stop with Fall.
>>24014814
Era 3 Mistborn with Ghostblood Civil war, Sazed going insane and Taravangian’s machinations.

>> No.24014904

this sanderslop fella sounds very progressive for a mormon

>> No.24014919

>>24014904
Orson Scott Card has a book where a girl fucks a giant worm, they’re not as pure as you’d think.

>> No.24014935

>>24014919
i don't think they are pure chaste, i just didn't think they would mention progressive concepts on their works so openly

>> No.24014951

>>24014919
as long as it's not two dudes kissing it's a-okay!

>> No.24014963
Quoted by: >>24014999

>>24014935
>>24014904
their whole religion is a progressive rewriting of Christianity

>> No.24014971

>>24014286
Grrm was fairly popular before the HBO show, and his readers tended to be respectable upper middle class types with real jobs. It wasn't unusual to meet lawyers, accountants, etc who had read his books. He wasn't a national sensation or anything but he was known and had a good reputation.

>> No.24014999

>>24014963
>mormonism
>progressive
Yes, because marrying 3+ woman and treating them like cattle is progressive.

>> No.24015014

>>24014999
My boy Sandy doesn’t do that.

>> No.24015015

Are the Stormlight recaps by Captured in Words on youtube any good? I really can't be assed to reread all of Stormlight anymore its too long and there's too many things i haven't read yet

>> No.24015044
Quoted by: >>24015056

Sanderson could've been writing HP fanfiction about how Harry bangs Hermione or whatever instead of publishing and everyone'd have been far better off

>> No.24015056

>>24015044
Okay, wrong.

>> No.24015068
Quoted by: >>24015081

>>24014826
i will take earnest sloop anytime over Gurm 's ' hnggg it's tooo smarrrrtt the writing is tooo smarrrttt is too smart i can't shittt it out ahhhh it's stuck ahhh'

>> No.24015078
Quoted by: >>24015086

>>24014935
OSC also has a book about a magical castrati who gets molested by someone who is both bisexual and attracted to sheep.

>> No.24015081

>>24015068
you don't need to consume either though.
I will admit GRRM's Fevre Dream is good, and is a standalone. Also you learn why he dresses like a fat boat captain.

>> No.24015083

*places hand on your shoulder*

>> No.24015086
Quoted by: >>24015114

>>24015078
but is it portrayed as beautiful and empowering or bad?

>> No.24015114

>>24015086
Very bad. I think it makes the castrati lose his magic powers.

>> No.24015164
Quoted by: >>24015547

>>24014720
>Shallan is also pregnant.
how?

>> No.24015188
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Quoted by: >>24017217

who else here is an Egan-iac

>> No.24015321
Quoted by: >>24016800

>>24013984
GRRM was a TV show writer before he was a novelist. He started writing fantasy mainly because he wanted to tell stories he couldn't do on TV, and originally ASoIaF was meant to be that big epic he believed nobody would be able to adapt. Ironic.

>> No.24015324

>>24014042
Weird because he doesn't write dark fantasy.

>> No.24015329

>>24014441
Yeah, the first book especially evoked such a strong sense of mystery that made me anxiously await his next book. And then Wise Man's Fear was just... so underwhelming. I blew through the book in like 2 days because I kept wanting to get to the part where he actually addressed the interesting aspects of the story and instead he just faffed around pining after his oneitis and had a sex romp of an adventure with ninjas and fairies.

And to think this would be the last novel he would ever publish.

>> No.24015384
Quoted by: >>24015469

>>24014775
Extrapolate from what we know about grum, his books and his schedule. The most reasonable conclusion is that he will kick the bucket when his heart explodes from trying to shit too hard before he finishes a single draft for winds of winter. And that's not even the last fucking book he has planned for the series.

>> No.24015406

>>OP
Just finished Vinge's Zones of Thought and goddamn. What an interesting universe. The galaxy having "zones" radiating from the center is unique, took a bit into the first book for everything to really click into place, but once it did, like Todd Howard says, it just works. I loved that the beings in "the Beyond" (third layer from center) are super advanced starhoppers but are still subject to the whims of "The Transcend" where beings occasionally venture out to achieve singularly and become God, but the ceiling for tech lowers as you go toward the galactic core. Basically if you're in "the Slowness", light speed is the cap but the gods can't fuck with you. Everyone in the Beyond escaped the Slowness at some point. It's such a beautiful way to have a multi-layer galactic setting.
The characters are great, the "aliens", the Tines and Skroderiders are super unique and thought-provoking. Not the spiders. They're genuinely "what if humans, but they're spiders". They do have a unique spin, with the hibernation and all. Anyway, it seems like sometimes SF authors get lost in their world and forget to write believable characters. Vinge does pretty well, except that the villains are always mustache-twirling buffoons.
My only complaint is with the ending, or the lack of one. The second book is a prequel and has a lot of the backstory of a character who fucking dies in the first book. The third book is a decent read, but it just... ends. Big threat from book one? Who knows, might be fine. Rival human faction? They're around still, yeah. Same bad guy in charge, too. Skroderider population in the Slowness? They sure exist.
I enjoyed this series a lot, but it feels like watching a great movie that just ends two thirds of the way through.

Thanks for reading my book report Teach.

>> No.24015469

>>24015384
If we get Winds of Winter it will be posthumously published. We will never get A Dream of Spring.

>> No.24015481

>>24010883
How do you interpret what's going on so far?

>> No.24015491

>>24012130
He *still* hasn't written that third book? Not as egregious as Martin or Rothfuss since the books are standalone, but still, it's been 6 fucking years.

>> No.24015530

Anyone else sometimes daydream about putting a Kelhus is mundane real world situations? Like if he had his own Dog Whisperer show.

>> No.24015535

>>24012731
I enjoy both and I'm sure you'd hate my LN picks anyways so I'm just letting you know to make you angrier.

>> No.24015547

>>24015164
Adolin and her have steamy shower sex earlier in the book.

>> No.24015550

>>24012022
>Aren't they under contract with the publisher?
If they never finish, then no, they aren't. Publishers seem to like handling "star" talent with velvet gloves. Rothfuss for example was given a huge payout for his first novel because his publisher was investing in him as a long-term asset. Lol.

>> No.24015553

>>24013654
It's unpretentious comfy fantasy. Feist is also pretty much the only guy left still writing Tolkien style classic fantasy IIRC (except for maybe Terry Brooks?)

>> No.24015610
Quoted by: >>24015614

taravangian and his secret hospital positions reminds me of those big city capital layouts where it's usually a ritualistic design
he would be a m*sonic fuck

>> No.24015614

>>24015610
oh the word was portions not positions whoops he would probably have them strategically laid out regardless
DAY FIVE BEGINS
kaladin's (brandon's) clumsy attempts at talk therapy with szeth is eye-rollsome

>> No.24015626

>>24015530
I just think of him like a max lvl David Koresh

>> No.24015637
Quoted by: >>24015638

what do i think of Elric of Melniboné

>> No.24015638

>>24015637
Discount Geralt.

>> No.24015646

>>24015638
Retard, its actually the opposite.
Off the top of my head:
>Albino protagonist
>Protagonist fits the physical description of Elric identically
>Suffers from a curse that is simultaneously the source of his power.
>On a cosmetic level: ‘Elric of Melniboné’ —> 'Geralt of Rivia’
>Both characters are colloquially named 'The White Wolf’.
>Both characters rely on their herbalism to remain alive, due to the degenerative effect of their respective curses.
>Both characters are a melding of a Warrior and a Sorceror. Often mingling magic with swordplay. It’s worth mentioning that Michael Moorcock’s Elric was arguably the very first to fit this archetype.
Even the plots of the various stories - with their emphasis on political intrigue, their moral relativism and de-emphasis of 'Evil vs. Good’ - are tonally informed by Moorcock’s Elric series. With many of the messages, and even dialogue often mirroring many of the sentiments of characters in the former.
At any rate, I can’t, in good conscience, acknowledge the legitimacy of The Witcher series, given its suspect origins. Particularly when one considers Andrzej Sapkowski’s refusal to even acknowledge the similarities publicly. It bespeaks a guilty conscience, and essentially betrays the truth of the matter.

>> No.24015651

Anyone got recommendations for books that go hard into cybernetics and getting turned into a machine?

>> No.24015657
Quoted by: >>24015954

>>24015638
Elric popularized* the dark edgy brooding swordsman.
* = did not invent

>> No.24015659 [DELETED] 

>>24015651
Theft of Fire

>> No.24015662
Quoted by: >>24015954

>>24015638
Elric was released ten years before The Witcher...

>> No.24015666

>>24015651
Corpus Chrome is really good. Scary parts are scary. Serious parts are compelling. Funny parts are funny. Its got corpo intrigue, and rebel terrorists. And cool tech ideas. Also has philosophical musings typical for the man-becoming-machine subgenre - 'muh soul' etc.

>> No.24015686
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Quoted by: >>24015693

I've been devouring Battletech novels like a hungry lion but it's not enough, I highkey want to branch out and read some other shit. What are some other books with big stompy giant robots?

>> No.24015693

>>24015686
Ask /m/ but I honestly can’t think of any

>> No.24015810
Quoted by: >>24015813

>>24015530
Absolutely demolishing the Ninja Warrior course

>> No.24015813
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>>24015810
kek nice

>> No.24015834

>>24015651
The Fortunate Fall by Raphael Carter

>> No.24015877
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What are some whimsical and light-hearted fantasy books?

>> No.24015954
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Quoted by: >>24015980

>>24015646
>>24015657
>>24015662
Baka.

>> No.24015972

>>24014419
Song of Kwasin, but it's a spinoff of Hadon of Ancient Opar, so you should read that first.

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>>24015954

>> No.24016045

>>24014641
Syl x Kaladin is actually turning out kinda kino, I'm guessing they'll both bite it in the back half

>> No.24016075

>>24013709
i just went to yandex and looked it up and found a site with it

>> No.24016215

>>24013645
>fuck your mother
>explodes your head

I know it was Ruka's story, but I feel like the rest of the characters got unjustly written off in the latter part of the story, especially Dala.

>> No.24016222
Quoted by: >>24016250

>getting into audiobooks for the first time since I always thought I would hate them but I guess I don't
>finished dungeon crawler carl audio immersion tunnel
>book 2 isn't out yet
alright guess I'll finally give sanderslop a go, ain't no way I was ever going to read the text version of his books but audiobooks are pretty nice when you don't care about missing some parts.

>> No.24016250
Quoted by: >>24016256

>>24016222
Sandersoy audiobooks are like 45 hours long.

>> No.24016256
Quoted by: >>24019687

>>24016250
1.5x speed fixes that.

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taln really is just fucking doomguy huh

>> No.24016320
Quoted by: >>24016894

“[spoiler”]“K-Kel? How di—” The nearest skin-spy clapped the Chorae in its palm about his ankle. And the Aspect-Emperor was no more. “See!” the child gurgled, squealing for preposterous joy. “I told you! I told you! They can’t see me! The Gods! The Gods can’t see me!””[/spoiler]”

what the fuck.

>> No.24016324
Quoted by: >>24016351

>bakkerfag still can't spoiler after 5 years of shitting up the thread
what the fuck indeed.

>> No.24016332

>>24014999
>marrying 3+ woman and treating them like cattle is progressive.
Actually, yes. I wish I were joking but polyamory and women being treated like wet holes by Chad is unironically a thing.

>> No.24016351

>>24016324
anyone who can learn from his mistakes wouldn't read a second bakker book

>> No.24016538
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>>OP
>mfw Romantasy is now apparently a genre

>> No.24016552

>>24016538
you can thank women for that. every other book related website is infested with those smut reading whores

>> No.24016601
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Is there a sci-fi novel where the creation of AI was totally cool, everyone liked it, and it didn't lead to disastrous consequences?

>> No.24016638

>>24016601
Polity Universe series

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Just finished A Sorceress Comes to Call. I was good. I like how focused the story was. It didn't stretch itself into multiple directions, or too thin by taking place across the globe. This isn't an adventure. It's hyper character focused. The problem is very simple: the main character's mother is an evil sorceress. Her mother drags her along on a retarded ploy the marry a rich man. Her mother is narcissistic, petty, and cartoonishly evil. So she carries out the plan very clumsily.

The tone of the story is such that you don't have to take it very seriously. As it sets up its over the top dynamic early on. So it comes across just as quirky with intentional melodrama. Yet because the mom is so evil, you still pray for her eventual downfall. Thus, every step of the story, you gladly track how much closer each character comes to uncovering her the sorceress's stupid plan.

There is some B plot about an old lady dealing with her insecurities about not looking good anymore. So for that reason, I have to warn that this is hag-lit.(if such a thing as "chick-lit" exists, then surely hag-list exists) Luckily it doesn't take up many pages of the story, and it actually melds pretty well into the larger narrative. Though, I would have concluded that story differently, if I had my way. Not that it ended badly. Just that the author missed a huge opportunity. In fact, I thought an event was being heavily foreshadowed, only for it never to occur. So I'm just a little surprised it didn't happened.

This style of storytelling felt more in the realm of Lois McMaster Bujold. Which I'm a fan of. So I liked it a lot. Devouring the book in only 2 days. Would recommend

>> No.24016692

>>24016601
metamorphosis of prime intellect

>> No.24016695
Quoted by: >>24016983

>>24010674
Swords and Deviltry. Nice. No Thieves World?

>> No.24016800
Quoted by: >>24016835

>>24015321
He was kinda right though. In the HBO adaptation a bunch of the huge army battle scenes are cut, like how they show it from Tyrion's perspective and then he get hit over the head at the start and passes out and then cut to after the battle is over.

>> No.24016802

>>24013654
I'm not really sure myself. I read it when I was in middle school, over 20 years ago now, when I had very little fantasy under my belt. I was still at a phase in my life where I expected all fantasy to be more or less derivative of Tolkien, so I didn't even question the elves or the dwarves in Feist's setting and took them as a matter of course. It's only after revisiting him after reading a lot more fantasy that I realized how hackneyed a lot of his ideas are. And how obviously inspired by tabletop RPG campaigns.

So in my mind Riftwar is one of those series that is best experienced by a naive reader who doesn't have a jaded view of the genre yet. I enjoyed it immensely when I was 13, and have re-read it many times. In fact I reread it earlier this year, though I got bored only a quarter of the way into A Darkness at Sethanon and stopped, as is usually the case when I reread Riftwar Cycle anymore. I still say the first two books, Magician: Apprentice and Magician: Master, are solid all on their own. Silverthorn and Darkness both feel like tacked on sequels.

>> No.24016816

>>24016538
Genres are just marketing categories at the end of the day. They can and should evolve to reflect popular tastes. Especially if it means filtering authors like Sarah J Maas out of the general fantasy genre so I stop seeing her listed among "epic fantasy authors".

>> No.24016835

>>24016800
I think he meant more just because of the set pieces they'd have to build. Plus the dragons.

>> No.24016852

>>24013588
With our ears? Do you struggle to listen to other things? Like, when you watch a show, does the audio cut in and out? Are you one of those people who can't watch TV without captions on?
Have you ever listened to talk radio? Or podcasts? Do you strain to focus on what they're saying?
Are you one of those people who, in conversation, you get bored of what the other person is saying, and trample over their words by blurting out what you want to say before they're done talking?

To me, the inability to handle audiobooks is really bizarre? Like, the human brain is turned to listen to others. Reading pages and pages and pages of text, is a relatively new thing we started doing. In the grand scheme of things.

>> No.24016894

>>24016320
i hate you

>> No.24016898
Quoted by: >>24016951

>>24016852
nta, but my main problem is the pacing and lack of control. It just keeps going on at the same pace continually. If I drift off imagining stuff I'll miss a lot. I like to think over what I've been reading. I don't want to keep hitting pause and rewind. I also dislike multitasking. They also take a lot longer.

>> No.24016909
Quoted by: >>24019673

>>24016852
Not him but you clearly have an auditory learning style. Other people have a visual learning style. For instance, I have lousy information retention with listening. I can memorize small bits of information by listening, but long speeches or recitations are impossible for me to focus on or remember much of. Audio books just turn into mindless noise for me. I don't absorb information that way.

I learn visually, and specifically very well with text. I've always had excellent information retention with reading, to the extent that it baffled me how anybody could struggle at subjects where the only real requirement to pass a course was to do the reading and then recall the information later. For me that was like breathing.

>> No.24016946

Finished the Unholy Consult. I don’t even know what to feel. I’m supposed to be reading Winds and Truth next but I feel like the whiplash from Bakker to Sanderson will kill me.

At the risk of sounding pretentious, his work would probably feel juvenile after what I’ve read. I need suitable recommendations to fill the hole.

>> No.24016951

>>24016898
I end up having to re-read sentences or paragraphs with text. So the way I see it, it's not much different than having to rewind audio when I miss somethings. On average, I miss a lot less with audio. I still have to rewind every once and a while. But it's far less of an issue with audio compared to text. With text, I always do that thing where I'm "reading" the words automatically, but not absorbing the information.

As for the speed of audiobooks. If I'm enjoying a good book, I don't want it to end too soon. It's not a race to get to the end.
I've noticed the same kind of behavior with video games. When I play a game, I like to savor it. When I watch other people play games, they act like they're racing to beat it. Skipping important NPC dialogue, skipping interesting side quests, not experimenting with any mechanics beyond the absolute necessary ones to win the next battle. I wonder if they even like the game. Or just like the idea that they're accomplishing something.
But you, your average novel is going to be between 8 to 12 hours. Depending on page count. That's not long at all. Of course your average Sanderson book is like 40 hours, because it's bloated to shit. If that's what you're reading, then I understand why you don't like the length. But in that case, it's Sanderson's fault for droning on. Not the audio format's fault.

Holy shit, I just looked up the time on Wind and Truth. It's 62 hours. Someone get this man an editor.

>> No.24016968

>>24016946
my recommendation is to get over yourself you retarded pseud

>> No.24016983

>>24016695
Sounds cool, I'll have to check it out

>> No.24016999

>>24014286
>GRRM has been writing since the 90s
>Song for Lya - Hugo for Best Novella 1975
>The Storms of Windhaven - Locus for Best Novella 1976
>Sandkings - Hugo, Locus, Nebula for Best Novellete 1980
>The Way of Cross and Dragon - Hugo for Best Short Story 1980
>Nightflyers - Locus for Best Novella 1981

>> No.24017007
Quoted by: >>24017022

>>24016946
Book of the New Sun or Black Leopard Red Wolf would be my rec if you wanna stay in big brain mode.
If you want a break from dense prose but still want maturity of thought and emotion I'd recommend Assassin's Apprentice

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Quoted by: >>24017145

Started reading this recently off a friend's recommendation. The tone of it all is decidedly weird. In many ways it feels like a lighthearted romp, but at the same time the big bad is an evil army marching to kidnap women en masse to make more demon rape babies to build an even bigger evil army.
But at 20% in I have to admit the world is really starting to draw me in, the fantasy elements feel fresh while staying in the classic vein, and the characters aren't bad.
Better than Wheel of Time, not as good as the Drizzt books, is probably how I'd rank it atm.
Anyone else ever read this?

>> No.24017022

>>24017007
>Black Leopard Red Wolf
nta but why is this tagged as lgbtq/queer?

>> No.24017109

>>24017022
It has homosexual beastiality.

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>> No.24017145
Quoted by: >>24018000

>>24017019
>In many ways it feels like a lighthearted romp, but at the same time the big bad is an evil army marching to kidnap women en masse to make more demon rape babies to build an even bigger evil army.
Reminds me of how Jack Vance would offhandedly have horrible degrading things happen to women in otherwise lighthearted stories.

>> No.24017197

>>24016946
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3314369-the-steel-remains

That's pretty close to Bakker, but simpler. From the author of Altered Carbon.

>> No.24017217

>>24015188
I read Dichronauts and Schild's Ladder this year. I feel kind of spoiled now, like other "hard" SF won't be able to compare.
It amazes me that he writes this stuff for what has got to be such a small audience. I don't know if it would appeal to anyone who didn't study math or physics. Maybe people read it to make themselves feel smart.

>> No.24017240
Quoted by: >>24017277

Bros, is Wind and Truth really filled with a bunch of gay faggot shit? Should I drop sandy? Should I kill myself?

>> No.24017246

yes, yes, yes_

>> No.24017269

>>24017022
The author is gay and so is the mc. It's all handled with maturity and grit. Since you've read all of Bakker I was assuming you wouldn't have a problem with that.

>> No.24017277

>>24017240
Who cares? The series isn't worth reading in the first place. The addition of some gays isn't the deal breaker.

>> No.24017291
Quoted by: >>24017299

>>24017269
oh sorry I'm nta I just chimed in

>> No.24017299
Quoted by: >>24018765

>>24017291
Well glad you're interested. Would love to see people on this board talk about it and it's sequel.
The first quarter or so of Black Leopard is really hard to read. The mc grows up in a shithole redneck jungle town with really weird customs and taboos and we see it all from his childhood perspective that doesn't understand shit, so it makes for some really confusing reading.
But when he grows up and starts going on adventures it becomes one of the finest works of fantasy I've ever read.

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>>24016946
When I finished Unholy Consult I stopped fiction for a short while, and read this. Try reading some non-fiction topics you like.

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What is the perfect number of main characters in a fantasy adventure party?

>> No.24017601

I told you all that I will create my own general
>>24003011

>> No.24017606

now stay there, normalfag

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>>24017601

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>>24017601

>> No.24017746

>>24017541
5

>> No.24017758

Finished Winds and Truth
Overall it was incredibly shit.
Even for sanderson, an entire story arc of unrelated expositiondumping is slop. It felt like a fanfaction of "wouldn't it be cool to see all of the vaguely referenced lore scenes in first person"
The best chapter was the Felt/Kelek one, by a mile. Super cool reveal I didn't see coming
Jasnah, Shallan, Lift a shit
Kaladin/Syl dance scene was kino
Szeth arc was decent
I've read every Sanderson Cosmere piece of content as well as interviews, the wiki etc. and I could barely follow what was "going on", I really don't see how his editor could allow it. If I was some random grandma who gifted this book to her grandkid for christmas and I flipped to a random page and tried to understand anything that was going on, I would want a refund. If any sanderson book could flop it would be this one.
Mormons need to stop trying to write gay sex scenes

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Quoted by: >>24018414

Blood Over Bright Haven is testing my patience. So far, it's all been about oppressed groups having it rough in society. 1 guy escapes a mysterious blight. Some kind of light that has the ability to physically unravel a person's entire being. Leaving them in ribbons of flesh. His people all die, except him and his niece, who manage to find safety within the protective dome of the city. Upon reaching the safety of the dome, he's immediately treated like scum by the boarder guards, but he convinces them to not kick him back out.

The 2nd character is a girl who is taking her test to become a high mage. And her entire story is about how she's a high achieving women, and all of society is against her. She's going to be the first female high mage. And the magic system just happens to resemble programming. That's right, it's an analogy for women in stem! and the literal patriarchy doesn't want a woman to succeed!

I'm in the middle of chapter 6 now, and they're lengthy chapters. And all of it has been about how difficult it is for women to succeed in a male dominated society. And then she meets the man from chapter 1, and improbable events lead to the man, who was working as a janitor, to get assigned as her assistant. Immediately, she starts tutoring him on magic. Then they go to a bar, and she meets more of the lower class people. And then she gets drunk and starts to catch feelings for him. So quickly too! This all happens in a single day. Just in the previous chapters, she was like "I have no time for a man". Now day 2 of being around this guy, and she's blushing and checking out his shoulders, and thinking about his rough hands.

I'm going to give it a few more chapters, because the book hasn't gotten to the meat of the story yet. This is all still set up for some secret yet to be revealed. I'm curious what the secret will be. I have a feeling it's going to be something like "utilizing magic creates the blight". I have to read on to see.

>> No.24017871

Did Nightblood swear an oath O LAWD

>> No.24017881

>finished ~500k words in a couple days
That's some intense speed, reading or listening.

>> No.24017887
Quoted by: >>24017967

>>24017758
I thought it was fairly easy to follow. Hated Renarin

>> No.24017932

The timeskip sure became recontextualized through that slowness bubble huh

>> No.24017953
Quoted by: >>24017967

>>24017758
what part of the overall cosmere did you not understand?

>> No.24017963

>>>/a/273877729

>> No.24017965

>>24017963
never cross post with that hellhole

>> No.24017967

>>24017953
>>24017887
More that there didn't seem to be any action principle, even fantasy action principle, going on. The whole spiritual realm arc, particularly all of the "X felt/spiritually grabbed hold of/ pulled y" felt like a massive cop-out, compared to previous sanderson work where there is a strong intention to have a rules based magic system, magic as science essentially. Here it's just "and then the next thing happened because uhhh... I just say it did". I want to be able to buy into the fantasy worldbuilding but I can't when it turns into Calvinball.

>> No.24017971
Quoted by: >>24018207

>>24009923
I suspect I'm retarded. I liked the endless 8 episodes.

>> No.24018000

>>24017145
yeah that turned me off Demon Princes

>> No.24018026

>>24017967
I agree that the Spiritual realm segments felt like a huge letdown.

>> No.24018184

>>24017967
I think he didn't go far enough with the spiritual realm, actually
A wild storm of pure investiture where past, present and future bleed together and even shards can barely comprehend it but it ended up being relatively easy to navigate and the shards manipulated it like it was second nature to them

>> No.24018207

>>24017971
my condolences

>> No.24018246

>>24016538
Anything that lets me filter out the slop instantly is a blessing.

>> No.24018337
Quoted by: >>24018409

>taravangian totally destroys jasnah's reddit philosophy and leaves her literally crying like a bitch and questioning her reason to live
unfathomably based

>> No.24018374

>>24010446
liked that one a lot

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Quoted by: >>24018412

>Sanderson takes a shot at that fat fucking hack Rothfuss

>> No.24018409

>>24018337
Then he turned out to be a hypocrite BIG SURPRISE

>> No.24018412
Quoted by: >>24018413

>>24018378

>Rothfuss invented true names

Do you not know Le Guin you pleb.

>> No.24018413

>>24018412
>Le Guin invented the concept of a true name in magick
Are you trying to outstupid that faggot?

>> No.24018414
Quoted by: >>24018616

>>24014706
Shitpost for sure not even reddit is mentioning masturbation scenes.
>>24017824
Read self published works or works made with men in mind don't know what else to tell you.

>> No.24018465

>>24015646
Shut the fuck up, Razorfist

>> No.24018468

>>24017963
always cross post with that hole

>> No.24018494
Quoted by: >>24018604

>>24014510
they do end up together on braize/the spiritual realm simulation, in the postlude kalak sees a woman with flowing white-blue hair who didn't belong among the heralds

>> No.24018604
Quoted by: >>24018636

>>24014510
>>24018494
It was being built up to the entire book
>Syl is always full size
>Syl wants to be a more independent person and live for herself, not just be a spren
>Unlike past books Syl doesn't press Kaladin about his other relationships at all
>Syl is learning to write to be his scribe, an officer's wife's job
>Dance scene
>The entire massive subplot around relationships between humans and singers
>notum being physical enough to operate shardplate

And now they literally live happily ever after together forever. Kino

>> No.24018614

>>24012094
Japanese light novels

>> No.24018616
Quoted by: >>24019656

>>24018414
>Read self published works or works made with men in mind don't know what else to tell you.
I'm not going to give up on the entirety of published books, just because I happened to stumble upon 1 feminist fantasy.

>> No.24018624

>>24017541
5-6 if there are no subcharacters like pets or summons with quite a personality
Cute mascots get a pass

>> No.24018636
Quoted by: >>24018642

>>24018604
i have a feeling they're gonna be very important for the entire rest of the cosmere's story however long that goes on

>> No.24018642

>>24018636
Considering what happened to Kaladin, of course he will be important.

>> No.24018648

I hope Adolin gets his Mayawaifu too…

>> No.24018669
Quoted by: >>24018813

What fantasy novels capture the essence and feeling of a JRPG?

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>ykr the time ST Joshi said Brian McNaughton was a better prose writer than Clark Ashton Smith

>> No.24018728

>only 35% through Sunlit Man
I've been skimming and this shit is still too fucking padded.

>> No.24018765

>>24017269
>>24017299
>black nigger faggot
Stop shilling this crap. No one wants to read it. We read bakker to see the fags suffer.

>> No.24018767

>>24016946
>At the risk of sounding pretentious, his work would probably feel juvenile after what I’ve read
SO true

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>Lists featuring this book
>Best fantasy books with GAY male characters

>> No.24018813
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>>24018669
The beginning of Wheel of Time. Following that trend of JRPGs, where the starting town is attacked, and the main character and his friends have to go on an adventure. "Tales of" vibes.

The Shadow of What Was Lost. Similar but more on the darker side. Illusion of Gaia vibes in the beginning. Boarding on Terranigma in latter books.

These are books that I consider "accidentally anime". The author probably wasn't writing with anime in mind. And yet, they have the tropes.

>> No.24018928

>>24014419
Thomas Covenant?

>> No.24018973

Is the Chanur cycle by Cherryh any good?

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>>OP
what are /lit/'s thoughts on romantasy books and how they are saving the book industry?

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>>24016946
>but I feel like the whiplash from Bakker to Sanderson will kill me.

same here, I've spent the last years reading so much bakker and barron that going back to "young adult" fantasy would feel like playing with kid's toys again.
some pseuds on /lit/ get so angry about bakker because they can't comprehend that, like all people, some are just better at their craft than others.
phelps is a better swimmer than most, kobe is/was a better basketball player than most and, not sorry to say it, bakker is a better fantasy author than most. he is at the very top and no matter how much neet english studies dropouts on this board seethe about it, he absolutely shits on clowns like rothfuss, sanderson and gurrrm.

dont let the losers drag you down to the level of shit they're accustomed to, it's their own fault for not having the attention span to read anything beyond young adult slop with badly written first-time sexperiences and the young protags going through literal anime tier trials of adolescence.
that shit was cool when I was 16, sorry that 40% of fantasy readers on this board never progressed any further. (lack of) education, reading comprehension and standards are a bitch.

>> No.24019074

>>24019038
How many times is the smell of cinnamon mentioned? Everyone knows the more characters smell cinnamon, the more romantic the tale.

>> No.24019082

>>24019042
Bro needs to re-record the audio book with a better narrator. He got shafted by a shit narrator. And if that narrator was his own choice, then he has shit taste in narration. The book is unlistenable.

>> No.24019102

The Sirens stand, as it would seem, to the ancient and the modern, for the impulses in life as yet immoralised, imperious longings, ecstasies, whether of love or art, or philosophy, magical voices calling to a man from his “Land of Heart’s Desire,” and to which if he hearken it may be that he will return no more—voices, too, which, whether a man sail by or stay to hearken, still sing on.

>> No.24019224

imagine thinking you're mature because you read books featuring assrape

>> No.24019261

>>24019224
imagine being so cuckolded by the need to appear cool to your invisible friends on this board that all you think about is assrape.

it's like crying about people enjoying LotR because it also has horses and horses are for little girls. you're mentally unwell and it causes you to miss the point and also... miss out, anon.

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>>24019042

>> No.24019288
Quoted by: >>24019602

>>24019042
Where did you come from anyway, Bakkerfag? Where did you hear about /lit/ from, or 4chan in general?

>> No.24019309
Quoted by: >>24019605

Did anyone here ever read Malazan in the official recommended order? Wondering if I should bother going through the audiobook again in that order and see if it makes more sense than the released order (which barely made any fucking sense)

>> No.24019338

>>24019038
>>>OP
>what are /lit/'s thoughts on romantasy books and how they are saving the book industry?
Whamon writer therefore straight into trash

>> No.24019602
Quoted by: >>24019608

>>24019288
He's been skulking around on this board for years. He started his shitposting / spamming campaign back in November of 2019.

>> No.24019605

>>24019309
>the official recommended order
I had no idea such a thing existed. I read them in the order they were published. I had little option but to do this.

>> No.24019607

>>24019224
There's no point in trying to shame him, he's beyond shame. You just learn to filter his posts. There's no curing his autism.

>> No.24019608
Quoted by: >>24019610

>>24019602
I am aware. It's been 5 years of nonstop ruination.

>> No.24019610
Quoted by: >>24019670

>>24019608
He's literally the only person who talks about Bakker so you can just filter the word "Bakker" and remove a lot of his garbage. Of course he's diversified his shitposting / spamming campaigns a lot and for a while he almost totally dropped the bakkerspam in favor of archive spam or just relentlessly shitposting any other authors people liked to talk about. But if you pressed him at all on what he wanted to talk about he'd just start spamming bakker's garbage here again.

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>>24010367
>litrpg romantasy
why not throw some dungeon cores and tentacle sex in too

>> No.24019656

>>24018616
>I'm not going to give up on the entirety of published books, just because I happened to stumble upon 1 feminist fantasy.

Read empire of the vampire or something bro or better yet use goodreads and see what type of audience it attracts, the type of author that's writing it and the genres it's in to avoid crappy books made by feminists easier.

>> No.24019670

>>24019610
It's basically a bot. Same patterns nonstop.

>> No.24019673

>>24016909
'learning styles' are a spook with 0 scientific evidence behind them

>> No.24019678

>>24013706
>Just normal rhyming poetry, not the sort of 4 words 3 line break kind of slop that tiktok likes
sounds like you're gonna write shitty doggerel anon
a poem needs a lot more than just some rhymes to avoid being slop

>> No.24019687

>>24016256
gosh i fucking love consuming content

>> No.24019716

>>24017541
two. holmes (the chad who has the chosen dragon powers or blessed sword or student of the sorceror progenitor or whatever the fuck and solves every conflict) and watson (the useless viewpoint character who never contributes or accomplishes anything but following holmes around and documenting his journey)

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>>24014441

>> No.24019750

>>24017963
that's the danmei section though, it's not cultivation powerfantasy fantasy slop like Er Gen, it's GAY SEX fantasy slop.
I've been reading The Husky and His White Cat Shizun and it's pretty good although some of the forced misunderstanding plot shit is really dumb

>> No.24019768
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>>24019038
I'm interested in books with good fantasy + good smut, but I don't know if such a thing even exists.
The ones with male writers like >>24011504 have the sloppest synopses that ever slopped. And most of the female writer romantasy stuff sounds like it has a superficial YA plot designed to get out of the way for the romance.

>> No.24019942
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Heard you guys like gay shit

>> No.24020021

>>24019942
book two was fun schizokino
spent most if it having no fucking idea what was going on or how it connected to the first book

>> No.24020039
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Quoted by: >>24020080

>>24019942
I hate gay shit actually.
I only tolerate it if they are only side characters.

>> No.24020080

>>24020039
tolerance is giving them an inch so they can take a mile. Never

>> No.24020100

>>24017758
the flute scene is pretty good