How do you feel about Touhou becoming more and more grim?

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Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 18:55:19 No.15578895 [Reply] [Original]

How do you feel about Touhou becoming more and more grim?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 19:12:06 No.15578980 File: 68 KB, 520x348, 1426533787124.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Pretty fantastic. I love the whole dark side of Touhou where the youkai actually straight up eats and kill people

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 19:17:15 No.15579005 >>15578895 Both grimsokyo and happysokyo are symbiotic. There's a lot of happy go lucky moments but when you look deeper, you can see pant shitting madness and grim.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 19:29:46 No.15579059 I actually hate it. One of the reason I like Touhou so much is because there was no grimdark bullshit or self insert protagnist and stuff like that. But with Touhou becoming more and more dark it gets harder to enjoy it.

Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 19:37:42 No.15579093

>>15579059
I like how it's a reversal of the whole things turning grim stuff writers love to do.

The trend in manga and anime now is taking things that aren't supposed to be grim and making them all dark and broody.

Touhou shows an originally really grim world that was made into a much nicer and cuter place.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 20:44:27 No.15579391 Good. There's plenty of grimdark content in Touhou that gets completely buried underneath all that cute demeanor. It's nice to finally see all of this content come to light (pun not intended).

Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 20:48:42 No.15579407

>>15579059
The game is not exactly devoid of darker stuff, though.
Weird artwork, sometimes spooky atmosphere and music, and the girls talk about kill and death sometimes while fighting, everything as ZUN intended. If I had no idea I'd mistake it as creepypasta games.
And it shows that the canon itself has been only a bit "softer" version of Japanese mythology while still retain some of its grim aspect.

Maybe you're too much invested in fanon.

>>15579093
For me it's the opposite.
Touhou despite being a series of all girl cast it's not something like Strike Witches, Dog Days, MGQ or recently KanColle which use the girls mainly to attract male audience. ZUN doesn't throw around sexual design or blatant fanservice, instead he gives backstories, depth on the world building and new personalities to the characters that make them less one-dimensional unlike what you often found in other media.

Sure, forced grim stuff like Another would be crap, but Touhou is not exactly Yuru Yuri, either.
To me it's just trying to be true to the setting, the mythical world full of youkai and gods.

Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 20:52:44 No.15579431

>>15579093
Now it's going grim again.
I'm fine with it. Gensokyo is all about balance between humans and youkai. Only fitting it balances moe with grim stuff. It adds an extra layer, people forget that those qt girls are monsters. Besides waifufags should love it, if your waifu is a man eater isnt it more special when she loves you instead of killing you like many others? Moefags, shouldnt you enjoy and appreciate how innocent they can be, despite being what they are? The contrast should make your favourite moments shine all the brighter, whatever you like.

When are we getting more WaHH btw?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 20:56:19 No.15579453 >>15578895 it's not really becoming grim your perspective on it has changed youkai were never pleasant creatures

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 20:57:38 No.15579460 >>15579431 Most waifufags tend to stick to fanarts made by ignorant secondaries, though. Canon won't really matter to them.

Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 20:59:07 No.15579467

>>15579407
Zun doesn't do much with backstory. He gives some then leaves room for fandom.

>true to the mythical world
Yeah, remember all those legends about vampires that ended with friendship?
ZUN goes against mythology when he feels like it, and references it. E.g StB, Aya says vampires dont care about crosses. Oni are all friendly, the kappa are friendly too. In mythology both ate humans and terrorized them. Hell the oni we see were based on some violent ones, yet Kasen is insanely kind and peaceful.

Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:00:30 No.15579472

>>15579467
You're totally ignoring that the people Remilia chose to be friends with were two COMPLETELY nonstandard humans, both of whom can totally kick her ass.

With most people, they can't have such relationships. Why do you think humans avoid the Hakurei shrine?

Youkai kill and eat people.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:01:27 No.15579481 >>15579453 >youkai were never pleasant creatures Kyouko and Kogasa are undeniabley pleasent, they dont even harm people. >>15579460 Art doesnt challenge canon. Unless it's yuri, porn, edgy or stemming from fanfiction.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:02:11 No.15579485 >>15579481 Exceptions. Also Kogasa tries to be harmful, but just sucks at it.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:03:17 No.15579487 File: 144 KB, 387x361, 1425693431092.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I love it

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:07:34 No.15579504 >>15579467 >the kappa are friendly too The kappa in Gensokyo use shirikodama as part of their arsenal. Do you know what that means?

Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:07:37 No.15579505

>>15579472
Canon shows wounded people outside the sdm taken in for treatment.
Remi attended a festival once beans were coffee beans, and the SDM has been known to host parties on her whims, people dont go because they dont know.
Given she also goes out on walks, I think Remi is peaceful enough.

Vampires are also special, they dont need to attack humans, they just need blood. You could have groups donate a small amount each, no deaths. She doesn't eat much anyway, but vampires dont need to kill to feed. Other youkai just need fear or belief.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:08:56 No.15579507 >>15579504 They go after outsiders, no problem. But they dont attack natives.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:09:09 No.15579508 >>15579505 And Remilia is the vampire that rampaged through Gensokyo before being slapped down. Reimu taught her to behave.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:11:47 No.15579517 >>15579507 Attacking is standard. Go into youkai territory, get fucked. However, with the spell card system and new rules of Gensokyou you don't see youkai killing native humans anymore. They've become an essential commodity.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:13:54 No.15579525 >>15579508 She didnt. Red mist is hardly rampaging. She caused trouble before that but other youkai slapped her down and made spellcard rules. Reimu didnt force her to behave, just reminded her not to misbehave.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:17:04 No.15579540 Darker and edgier

Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:17:08 No.15579541

>>15579525
Hm, was I wrong about that?

Though the case remains that she was undoubtedly a troublemaker. One of the worst.

Also people don't donate blood to SDM. It's heavily implied Sakuya "prepares" human meals.

It is true that most youkai in the place don't eat humans, but not because they don't WANT to necessarily, just because they don't have to. Most would probably eat humans if given the opportunity without breaking the rules. Actually, again that's something implied by Yukari gapping in suicidal outsiders and also criminals.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:21:12 No.15579563 >>15579541 This. It's been hinted at Yukari being hush hush about spiriting away livestock (or offering up unfortunate outsiders who crossed the border somehow).

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:26:44 No.15579591 >>15579485 Kogasa ends up being a wildcard in this situation, she's a walking identiy crisis who doesn't know how she wants to act. I wouldn't say she's exactly friendly, it's just she falls flat on trying to be threatening.

Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:27:31 No.15579596

>>15579467
Recent games has more backstories than recent games and there are few instances ZUN turning down fanon, like Aya Momiji relationship.

Also like the other guy said, these creatures look nice because they are seen from the perspective of strong human like the protagonist. Not sure what they think of normal humans.
Kappa while friendly because ZUN base them from particular kind of civilized, advanced kappa, he still implied that they drown humans and take their shirikodama, if not being scammer.
Let's just say in Gensokyo there are good folks and also bad folks.
It's not like in Jap mythology there aren't any friendly youkai, either. Yamabiko is indeed harmless.

Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:30:21 No.15579609

>>15579591
Well something else probably worth pointing out is that, as a tsukumogami, the "rules" to Kogasa are iffy.

Like, she says she was born as a "bad" (forgotten/neglected) tsukumogami but throughout the series tries to find some other use or purpose like an ordinary tool, Then there's how she allegedly feeds off fear, but will be satisfied if you pretend to be scared. Like, maybe she was never a wicked creature to begin with.

She's probably just a baka.

Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:31:27 No.15579617
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Gensokyo it's calm. Touhou it's full of silly characters. Akyuu concluded that the recent years it became less troublesome... The youkai have envolved into a rasonable civilization. Violence, wars, etc are not matter of the current age.

It's Gensokyo after all. A place where youkai eat humans, and humans hunt youkai, that's the balance. Some may go wild, some may not. There are rules and years of knowledge. They have found another ways of satisfy themselves

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>>15578895

I don't know how to feel hey

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:33:14 No.15579626 >>15579541 I think suicides and criminals are fair game. Suicides are just pragmatic, criminals beaing eaten is just karma. It's also implied Remilia eats very little. Meals can also be justified as blood can be used in cooking, no need for deaths.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:34:35 No.15579638 >>15579626 No particular need to let them live either, they're just food.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:37:12 No.15579653 SDM doesn't represent the whole Gensokyo, you know.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:37:29 No.15579656 >>15579617 Gensokyo is a paradise for youkai. Humans are secondary exceptions. Never forget that. >>15579609 >Kogasa is dumb Probably. She did voluntarily try to co-exist with humans by moonlighting as a babysitter once, despite her claimed nature.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:40:30 No.15579676 >>15579638 You dont kill cows for milk.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:41:04 No.15579681 >>15579676 Milk ain't blood

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:44:20 No.15579699 >>15579681 Blood is replenished over time.

Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:46:40 No.15579707

>>15579699
Sure, but carving up flesh is Sakuya's specialty. Could try getting stuff from bleeding people out but at that point just get to slaughtering, why not? No syringes for easy extraction.

No need to pretend your loli vampire waifus don't love eating humans like any other Gensokyoan monster.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:51:20 No.15579733 >ITT: Secondaries desperately try and defend their waifus

Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:58:22 No.15579772

>>15579707
>No need to pretend your loli vampire waifus don't love eating humans like any other Gensokyoan monster.
Remi drinks tea, Flan eats cakes probably laced with blood. Syringes could be present as they were around since Victorian times, and I remember Sakuya referencing Jack the Ripper.

Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 21:59:20 No.15579776

>>15579525
>She didnt
Yes she did
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Who%27s_Who_of_Humans_%26_Youkai_in_Gensokyo/Remilia_and_Flandre_Scarlet
>The Scarlet Mist Incident is notable for being the first time spellcards were used in Gensokyo. Before the rules were established, Remilia, who had come to Gensokyo along with the Scarlet Devil Mansion, had rampaged however she pleased until the other youkai of the time were sick of it

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 22:01:09 No.15579785 >>15579776 I meant Reimu, I know Remi caused issues, but Reimu only got envolved after the scarlet mist.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 22:08:54 No.15579817 >>15579431 >When are we getting more WaHH btw? When the shit gets scanned.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 22:26:49 No.15579888 Like the Ranfags, I would love the butthurt from the moeonly "canon is 2edgyforme" faggots. Seeing ZUN expand the world of Japanese monsters is a bonus.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 23:13:03 No.15580110 >>15579888 With SCoOW it's definitely on its way.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 23:15:19 No.15580121 >>15579505 Yeah first game Remillia killed people and covered the area in a red mist

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 23, 2016 23:42:53 No.15580213 How could you call a place where humans are treated like animal zoo a nice place? The worse thing is they don't even aware, maybe they think they still live in Japan

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 00:20:11 No.15580317 >>15579888 Seems like they've mostly calmed down aside from a couple melodramatic faggots though.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 00:22:41 No.15580331 >>15579059 >there was no grimdark bullshit ???

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 00:25:56 No.15580342 >>15580213 Do the villagers even know about the border? I don't think it's been explicitly stated.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 00:48:03 No.15580418 >>15580342 I'm pretty sure the border isn't meant to be something that would be commonly known.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 00:53:11 No.15580427 If it doesn't happen to the main cast, then it's ok. Just gotta find a right balance so that it fits neatly into some kind of cohesive canon.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 01:34:34 No.15580586
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>>15580342
The question is, has there any villager who want to venture outside the village to discover other lands? are they will get quickly "silenced" once they get to certain point?

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 02:19:31 No.15580749

Remilia is still an better case tho, since she understands english and you should be fine as long as you can entertain her, which with her childish personality and gensokyo lack of tech should be easy if you have your cellphone with you.
Actually a lot of the cast can somewhat be talked under the right circumstances, the problem should be the non humanoid youkais

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 02:25:47 No.15580771 >>15579540 The edge is real.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 04:21:41 No.15581175 File: 71 KB, 1224x690, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You're waifu is next!

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 05:57:00 No.15581517

It was always grim, but almost in a gallows humor way. Partially due to how lighthearted the series was otherwise. Also because ZUN never really had a way to communicate his intent.

Now he has a medium and setting in FS with the Human Village in a larger role where he can pull it off. I think it's probably something that he always wanted.

That said it's nowhere near what Grimsokyo fans and especially Grimdarksokyo fans envision. *For the most part* it's a peaceful area. Youkai who go against this and actually try to harm a village human are more akin to a wild animal and are either exterminated or taught the rules.

It's a good balance right now. Unless you're a total autist or secondary you should have known there was always some darkness to it and be able to accept both sides without it rustling your jimmies or worrying that it might venture too far in the other direction.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 06:04:24 No.15581535 File: 125 KB, 474x591, 15eac6a29d3515114112bad77108e90a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Bern in Gensokyo when?

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 07:10:18 No.15581655

>>15579481

Kogasa tries to be harmful, she is just bad at it. Kyouko's an outside case from a failed species of youkai who were so wildly unsuccessful that they were unable to adapt to the cause of echoes becoming commonly known and are largely extinct.

>>15579467

Many legends about vampires don't care about crosses - what we know as vampires arises for a whole slew of legends and myths from a variety of regions. The oni were so feared that they went underground, and it's no consolation to their victims if they're cheerful and friendly when they tear them up. The kappa are also not friendly; rather, they're false-faced 'friends' who not-so-secretly view themselves to be far above lowly humans (see Nitori's dialogue in the fighting games). Also it's odd for you to reference Kasen, given A: she may not actually be an oni (it's highly likely, but ZUN can throw a curveball) and B: she's a fraud anyway.

Even the biggest figure who argues for coexistence, Byakuren, is a total fraud of a monk who only keeps youkai around because she's terrified of losing her youth, and youkai vanishing would also cause the magic holding her together to disappear.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 07:14:38 No.15581672

>>15580586

We already had that with the fortune teller, who managed to see beyond the barrier and realized how bad village humans have it in Gensokyo. His solution was, funnily enough, to decide "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" without really realizing that there were guidelines against that sort of thing.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 08:15:29 No.15581830 >>15579772 >Remi drinks tea Red tea. It's blood.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 08:17:21 No.15581832 >>15580213 They know. Suzunaan provides books from the outside world. Urban Legends also comes from the outside world for the most part (which they're aware of in WaHH)

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 08:18:22 No.15581834 >>15581832 whoops, for >>15580342

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 11:50:27 No.15582419 >>15581535 Next game.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 11:57:21 No.15582453

>becoming more and more grim
It was always a youkai-infested hellhole where monsters cause huge problems just for the fuck of it

People who thought the humans lived nice comfy lives surrounded by cute girls and not in constant fear of youkai fucking their shit up have read one too many doujins of faceless men fucking 2hus

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 12:06:38 No.15582490

>>15581655
>The oni were so feared that they went underground
If I remember right, they left because humans are liars.

They do kidnap and fuck with humans, but will befriend strong/impressive humans. Suika is a weird oni who doesn't like kidnapping humans.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 12:21:44 No.15582545 It's fitting that Touhou should become darker, as it's dying.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 12:23:59 No.15582552 >>15582545 >it's dying. proof?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 13:20:49 No.15582755 >>15582545 >Touhou is reclining Hi, /v/.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 13:25:39 No.15582777 >>15581672 Fortune teller is such a interesting character. He was a testimony to how oppressed Gensokyo's humans are.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 13:51:22 No.15582868 >>15579059 touhou is full of sillyness and grim, but both sides are separated

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 13:53:44 No.15582877 >>15582777 * Gensokyo's woke males

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 13:55:56 No.15582885

>>15582552

We don't know about sales so all we can do is look at external factors. Doujin works of all media down with many creators who used to be Touhou-exclusive moving on to other fandoms or stopping all together; discussion down everywhere that isn't JP; gaku gaku dead, scanning Touhou works dead. It's dying.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 14:29:26 No.15583043 >>15582885 Oh no! That sounds really serious!

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 15:04:24 No.15583188 >>15581517 Last FS arc was dealing with murder and it seems like human murder is common. The only unusual thing about the last case was that it seemed like a human killed a human.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 15:05:48 No.15583193 File: 862 KB, 1006x1443, img000012.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15582453 To be fair named humans seem to be doing fine.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 15:07:05 No.15583200 >>15582885 Please, all big 2hu cons have pretty much the same number of doujins as years ago. And many artists who went to kancolle are coming back.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 15:15:31 No.15583240 >>15583193 >Agatha Chris Q I get it ZUN, you like murder mystery novels, but as amazing as Christie is there are others. Will we ever see Japan reference Father Brown?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 15:26:18 No.15583289 >>15583193 I want to be her shota servant.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 15:31:56 No.15583310 >>15583193 So do you think ZUN will remember to kill Akyuu or are we gonna get an asspull?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 15:37:17 No.15583326 >>15583193 I want her to step on my dick >>15583310 Since she has been looking for a way to extend her life, get ready for an asspull

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 15:42:40 No.15583347 >>15583310 Asspull or she goes to hell and works with Eiki meaning she's going to show up anyways.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 15:43:41 No.15583349 >>15583310 Now that I think about it, shouldn't she get pregnant so her line keeps going and she gets a reincarnation in the future?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 15:46:17 No.15583357 if you're gonna make it grim dark may as well go all in desu

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 15:48:01 No.15583363 File: 36 KB, 604x357, heart throbbing koishi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15583357 forgot to add picture

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 15:49:02 No.15583366 >>15583363 Delete this

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:05:13 No.15583423 File: 40 KB, 513x383, 1425693078348.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15583363 As long as it makes this canon.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:26:05 No.15583524 >>15578895 I'm cool with it,let's hope Zun pull off that one doujin where Sanae killed off all her classmates just to get to Gensokyo

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:27:21 No.15583527 >>15581535 anon, hinamizawa would be first

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:27:51 No.15583531 >>15583349 The child is just a child born in the family, she doesn't have to keep the bloodline going herself.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:29:15 No.15583537 >>15583531 But I need to see preggers Akyuu drawn by Moe

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:32:04 No.15583552

>>15583193
>To be fair named humans seem to be doing fine.

>Reimu
The Hakurei Shrine Maiden. Keeps the entire world in check. The strongest human. Literally invincible.

>Marisa
The second strongest human in Gensokyo by virtue of an incredibly overpowered magical device. Also completely carefree, generally putting herself in danger for the hell of it.

>Akyuu
In charge of chronicling Gensokyo, which means dealing with youkai. Youkai like the attention so they don't fuck with her.

>Kosuzu
An idiot, and everyone treats her like the idiot she is. Youkai like her because she's a dumbass who's (un?)intentionally creating a youkai haven in the middle of the human village.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:34:23 No.15583556 File: 85 KB, 404x444, 1455285433880.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15583552 No bully

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:41:27 No.15583578
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>>15578895
>becoming
It always was.

It hasn't reached Warhammer 40k levels yet, but the whole idea behind Gensokyo is horrifying. Why Reimu would willingly commit such atrocities against other human beings is beyond me. The place is nothing more than a farm for spirits of noxious immateria to feed upon.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:43:59 No.15583588

>>15583578
>Why Reimu would willingly commit such atrocities against other human beings is beyond me.
barrier upkeep >>>>>>>>>>> humans' safety/freedom

You let them humans run wild, the youkai lose power, the barrier comes falling down -- all that's left's just another piece of Japan. Bye bye, Gensokyo

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:45:41 No.15583596 >>15583552 >Marisa The second strongest human in Gensokyo by virtue of an incredibly overpowered magical device. If anything Marisa is the weakest human "2hu" in Gensokyo, both Sanae and Sakuya is stronger.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:46:39 No.15583601 >>15583596 Sanae is a demigod, Sakuya is... Well they say she's human, but I STRONGLY doubt that. I've always figured she was a moonbitch

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:46:52 No.15583602 >>15583552 >Marisa The second strongest human in Gensokyo by virtue of an incredibly overpowered magical device. If anything Marisa is the weakest human "2hu" in Gensokyo, both Sanae and Sakuya are stronger.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:47:40 No.15583608 >>15583601 4u >>15583602

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:50:49 No.15583621
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>>15583588
>Bye bye, Gensokyo
And nothing of worth was lost.

Sure, it is a pretty place, if you look at it from afar. But it shouldn't exist. It has no right to exist. There is no excuse for letting these monsters continue "existing". All you need to wipe them off is to bring knowledge to Gensokyo. That's how frail their existence is.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:52:13 No.15583625 >>15583602 I can buy that. Fun how the "humans" are the strongest and cutest 2hus with all,the mythical 2hu's and such.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:53:35 No.15583633 >>15583621 Debatable, I guess. Gensokyo is a paradise for anyone who's strong. Reimu probably likes it, Marisa definitely likes it. If I could hold my own I'd check out Gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:56:50 No.15583650 >>15583596 >both Sanae and Sakuya is stronger They are also a living god and a lunarian.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 16:58:13 No.15583655 >>15583650 >and a lunarian I thought we were talking about canon stuff here

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 17:00:06 No.15583661

>>15583655
Well we can make a lot of arguments but I think one thing's for sure: Sakuya is not normal.

She isn't affected by the lunatic rays of the moon, she's seemingly immortal judging by some of Remilia's comments, and she's much too strong for a typical human and with a very ridiculous ability on top of that.

It sure is hinted a lot that she's a Lunarian that the vampire managed to adopt.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 17:00:25 No.15583665 >>15583655 Please, it's way too obvious.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 17:03:53 No.15583680 >>15583661 >>15583665 ZUN enjoys leading on people, I don't take any theory for good unless it's confirmed by the man himself

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 17:06:44 No.15583693

>>15583661
>she's much too strong for a typical human
could not the same thing be said about Reimu and Marisa?

Would be interesting to actually know her backstory one day, but that will probably not happen.
And I must say that her being a Lunarian is better than a vampire hunter imo.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 17:10:41 No.15583711

>>15583693
Marisa trains a lot and we don't know how strong she actually is. Most of her power is based on the mini-hakkero. She's also trying to become a magician, which would make her very powerful indeed.

Reimu is a Hakurei. Those are utter exceptions to all pre-established rules. That bloodline is basically "I win". They can
>float away from reality
>summon gods
>summon other spirits
>manipulate barriers with incredible skill
>perform sealing techniques
And only a few of those are things they need to train to do. Most of Reimu's power, for instance, is all natural. She barely makes any effort at all.

As for Sakuya, yeah, it would be more interesting if she was a Lunarian, I think.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 17:11:17 No.15583712 >>15583693 Reimu is a divine spellcaster connected to Yukari. Marisa is not very strong really. Look how weak she was on the Moon.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 19:03:09 No.15584130

>>15583712

The hilarious thing about touhou is that it shows that innate talent, bloodline, and family connections will beat training, hard work and guts every time. Reimu is lazy as fuck and never trains, and she's the most powerful human going. Marisa trains every day and is constantly researching, and she's essentially the weakest human who actually fights, and who was casually beaten in terms of power and skill by a teenage high school dropout from beyond the border because this girl had a better bloodline and family connections. Hell, she was beaten twice when Sumireko started coming through - another failing high school student who just happened to have strong innate power.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 19:17:43 No.15584169 >>15583578 >Why Reimu would willingly commit such atrocities against other human beings is beyond me. fuck off back to your 100th fortune teller whining thread

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 19:31:43 No.15584228

>>15583578

Because Reimu enjoys the killing part, and because her job's guidelines oblige her to.

I of course want to see it end with Reimu dispatching Kosuzu, and if Marisa ever attempts to transform into a magician (highly doubtful) I want to see her get killed effortlessly too.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 20:52:16 No.15584496 >>15584130 Sumireko is not a "failing" high school student, what the hell. And "twice"?

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 20:57:27 No.15584519

>>15584496

She's literally sleeping away all her time in high school so she can be in Gensokyo. And by twice, I mean first Marisa lost to high school dropout Sanae, and then she lost to likely future high school dropout Sumireko. I'm sorry I had to explain this in such depth to you.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 21:00:29 No.15584529 >>15584130 Normal humans in 2hu are weak as shit. Marisa will become a youkai magician at some point anyways.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 21:01:35 No.15584539 Not gonna lie at first I felt rather unsettled by a youkai detaching its head but it's one of the less-of-the-same things that I ended up loving

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 21:02:10 No.15584542

>>15583693
Well yeah Reimu is entirely broken and the exception to everything

Marisa, other than being a Magician, is prided on being entirely Ordinary. A lot of her power comes from the mini-hakkero but it's heavily implied she just works hard for what she has, which is why she can beat Magicians who are much more skilled like Alice and Patchouli

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 21:04:26 No.15584552

>>15584519
>She's literally sleeping away all her time in high school so she can be in Gensokyo.
And while we know it's affecting her life, we have yet to be told it's affecting her grades any.
>I'm sorry I had to explain this in such depth to you.
Someone's in a bad mood today.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 21:11:09 No.15584572

>>15584529

In which case, Reimu will just kill her for going against the sacred rule.

>>15584542

She only beats them in play fights when they don't care, and the majority of her power comes from an artifact, compared to Alice and Patchouli whose power is purely their own.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 21:28:22 No.15584627 >>15583578 Thats... Actually a pretty solid argument.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 21:33:05 No.15584634

>>15584228
Marisa doesn't have to follow the village's rules. She's not a villager.

If Marisa turned, Reimu wouldn't do anything about her. The problem is villagers in the village interrupting the balance, not weird humans in the youkai infested forest of magic doing whatever.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 21:34:59 No.15584637 >>15584634 This. The same reason Alice is an exception that shouldn't be further argued by "muh girls"

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 21:38:18 No.15584653 >>15584634 You have a point. She's strong enough to hold her own in battles. She also has Reimu's favor. These alone put her in level of exception that is way beyond an ordinary human.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 21:40:17 No.15584659 >>15584637 >>15584653 Mhm So yes, worry about Kosuzu. She's fair game, which is basically one of the huge sources of tension in FS

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 21:47:46 No.15584693 File: 517 KB, 914x623, f1698a0c623e7b66d3b02a7cbe7e9b34.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15584634 isn't it pretty heavily implied Reimu would kill Marisa?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 21:54:35 No.15584730 >>15584693 No. That's implying Kosuzu, as always. I do wonder what the raws say, since Japanese singular is the same as plural.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 21:58:57 No.15584749 >>15584693 >humans It means 3 of them.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 22:02:45 No.15584767

>>15584693

Exactly. These other posters seem to think that the restriction is limited to just villager humans not becoming youkai. The fortune teller was a man who killed himself and had not been a part of the village for quite some time, and yet still he was put to death for crossing the line. Of course Marisa would be put down in an instant if she tried to become a magician.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 22:04:51 No.15584773

>>15584767
>The fortune teller was a man who killed himself and had not been a part of the village for quite some time
dude what

he was a villager who died in the village and revived in the village. Then, he "remained" there in an artifact.

Don't be retarded.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 22:10:27 No.15584795

>>15584767
No he wasn't, he was a villager who invited dark magics and engaged in taboo to come back as a vengeful spirit born of negative emotions. Becoming a hermit or magician is not at all the same thing either, it is regarded as a form of enlightenment or bettering yourself for the study of magic rather than fucking killing yourself so you can revive as a youkai and give a stupid supervillain monologue.

Another critical difference is most of the humans (like Sakuya) are proud of their human heritage and have refused opportunities to change or become immortals or youkai. Not that they are bound to the rules of the village anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 22:15:59 No.15584815 >>15584795 Of course a Lunarian would refuse an opportunity to become immortal! That'd be redundant!

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 22:23:19 No.15584843

>>15584773
>>15584795

You're missing the point in that he had formally left the village by dying, while Marisa 'eft' the village by going into the forest: 'human villager' isn't simply a question of whether one lives in the village or not, but also a question of birth. Marisa moving outside the village doesn't stop her from being a 'human from the village', and she's still bound by sacred guidelines regarding not becoming a youkai.

Oh, and:
>Becoming a hermit or magician is not at all the same thing either, it is regarded as a form of enlightenment or bettering yourself
Citation needed regarding your claim on becoming a magician as 'a form of enlightenment'. Oh, and as far as canon and Reimu care, Alice and Patchouli came into Gensokyo as youkai, so they were never humans to start with as far as she's concerned.

Get over it, guys: if Marisa moves to become a magician, Reimu will be obliged to kill her. If you want 'cute girls getting along and doing things', then I sincerely suggest you get invested into something else, like Kantai Collection or Girls und Panzer.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 22:29:14 No.15584867

>>15584843
>he had formally left the village by dying
Apparently only in your mind. By Reimu's call, he's a villager who transformed in the village.

And, by who anyone has eyes' call.

You're just being stupid. I don't need to get over anything, I don't even particularly care about Marisa, and elsewhere admitted Kosuzu is on the chopping block.

If magicians can become magicians from being human, how does that come to pass in Gensokyo when by your dumb theory anyone who ever tries would be killed on the spot?

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 22:34:49 No.15584891

>>15584867

>By Reimu's call, he's a villager who transformed in the village.

That's exactly the point I'm making: even dying didn't stop him from being a human villager, so why should Marisa moving into the forest suddenly stop her from being a human villager? You don't suddenly turn into a car if you have to live in somebody's converted garage.

>I don't need to get over anything, I don't even particularly care about Marisa

"I'M NOT MAD I'M COOL AND COLLECTED AND I DON'T EVEN CARE ANYWAY LOOK AT HOW I'M TELLING YOU I DON'T CARE", holy shit, get over yourself

Just because humans can become magicians doesn't mean that society has to like or accept it, and the only magicians we have at the moment all transformed outside of Gensokyo before moving in.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 22:35:39 No.15584893 >>15584891 >"I'M NOT MAD I'M COOL AND COLLECTED AND I DON'T EVEN CARE ANYWAY LOOK AT HOW I'M TELLING YOU I DON'T CARE", holy shit, get over yourself calm down

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 22:45:24 No.15584934 >>15584893 you're the dude gettin buttblasted because your waifu is gonna die lol

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 22:46:16 No.15584937 >>15584934 That's definitely true.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 22:48:18 No.15584951

>>15584843
>Get over it, guys: if Marisa moves to become a magician, Reimu will be obliged to kill her. If you want 'cute girls getting along and doing things', then I sincerely suggest you get invested into something else, like Kantai Collection or Girls und Panzer.
You've posted this shit in multiple threads recently so it's obvious you're the same guy. You're doing absolutely nothing but applying your own assumptions and headcanons to the story and characters in the world and thinking it's the correct interpretation. Gensokyo is not completely dark nor is it completely cute, it's somewhere in between.

You've completely misread both the fortune teller scenario and what Ran truly is in order to color Gensokyo darker than it already is, which is plenty dark already. How you could possibly think he's not longer "part of the village" when he lived there his entire life and he fucking claimed ownership of his citizenry even when he came back is mind boggling. The characters explicitly state what he does is taboo and dark magic multiple times, both through Mamizou and through Reimu.

Gensokyo is dangerous because youkai are free to run around and terrorize people but it's also a place where girls battle with pretty patterns in the sky. People die, or are eaten, and it's just a fact of life. You don't need to go overboard and assume things like "a fox youkai is eternally mindbroken and tortured" or "Reimu is waiting to kill her best friend if she becomes a magician or hermit"

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 22:53:40 No.15584980
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The day Reimu kills Marisa is the day that Touhou jumps an ocean's worth of sharks.
In other words, you're insane for thinking there's even a remote chance of it happening.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 22:57:54 No.15584999

>>15584951

>How you could possibly think he's not longer "part of the village"

I didn't, your reading comprehension sucks dude, I'm saying that 'part of the village' is a bloodline thing which cannot be dispensed with by going to live in the forest, which thus obliges Reimu to kill Marisa if she becomes a youkai

Also cute to see you going to defend your 'fox mama' which is essentially a computer program stealing a body - it's irrelevant whether the fox's original mind is forced into eternal dormancy or whether it's awake but can't do anything, the situation is still hellish, lol

Gensokyo's a dark place where people get hung up on the upper crust having tea parties after show fights and imagine that characters are all 'besties 5-eva~~ uwu', when in reality youkai murder humans on the reg and Reimu occasionally bothers to sally forth and beat up or kill some other youkai

Reimu's obligation is to the village and the sacred guidelines, and while I hardly imagien Reimu's panting and masturbating to the prospect of killing the world's most talentless and shitty magician, she's already admitted she's keeping an eye on her in case she does something stupid like, oh say, become a youkai

In conclusion zun fucked you're touhou

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 23:06:15 No.15585036

>>15584999
I don't give a shit about Ran lel, so nice one

You clearly have your own headcanon completely separate from anything that's actually canon. No one knows anything about the fox, whether it agreed to become a shikigami or not. Especially considering we know the cat Chen is possessing comes out every so often and doesn't freak out and plead for release from some kind of endless torture. You just assume how the character feels about its situation and want it to be darker than it is. Putting "lol" at the end of your sentence doesn't automatically make you right.

Again, you keep using "i imagine" and retarded logic to fuel your own masturbatory desires even when you blatantly get called out for being a dumbass. FS is all about Kosuzu which is entirely why Reimu is keeping an eye on her specifically, as multiple people told you.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 23:11:51 No.15585060

>>15585036

>I don't give a shit about Ran

said he as he put on his noble suit of tighty-whitie armor and saddled up on his trusty rocking horse steed

we can assume things about a powerful fox suddenly becoming a prisoner in its own body and none of them are good unless you're bringing your mind control fetish into this (please don't)

FS is all about life in the village with Suzunaan and Kosuzu serving as points around which the story can rotate somewhat, but it still gave us stuff like 'Reimu is obliged to kill any village human who becomes a youkai' which means she'll probably have to kill Kosuzu at some point and which may likely oblige her to kill Marisa if she ever tries to become a magician (I doubt it, though)

Also like we already went over, Chen is a shitty shiki made by another computer program, who knows what the fuck's going on with it

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 23:13:56 No.15585069

>>15584999
I'd like to interject for a moment. The "programs" of ZUNs shikigami allegories are in reference to the orders; you give orders to a shikigami, and the nature of the shikigami allows them execute those orders as directed with significantly heightened ability.
To put it concisely, shikigami : orders :: computers : programs.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 23:14:19 No.15585071 >>15585060 You really don't quit, huh.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 23:17:52 No.15585091 File: 37 KB, 379x376, 1367753484032.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15585060 >we can assume Keep up the headcanon my man.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 23:18:23 No.15585098 >>15585060 Pretending I really care about a minor character like Ran for some reason doesn't make your assumptions any more grounded in reality.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 23:26:03 No.15585126

>>15584815
Not on earth. Lunarian's aren't exactly immortal so much as pure: untainted by the concept of death. While in practice it's much the same (They won't age or die naturally) they have to avoid all impurity in order to stay in this "Blind spot" of death. That's why they moved to the moon, hated the Apollo program, and couldn't fight the fairies in LotLK (Who, as beings of pure life-force, necessarily taint anything they interact with with the concept of life and death).

Anyway, long story short is a Lunarian wouldn't keep their immortality long on earth, so even if Sakuya was one, she'd "revert" to human and become mortal. Then again, she can control time, so the whole point in moot. It's highly probable she's functionally immortal by slowing or stopping her own aging process, as Akyuu notes in PMiSS.

Anonymous Sun, Jul 24, 2016 23:36:07 No.15585154

>>15584999
>Gensokyo's a dark place where people get hung up on the upper crust having tea parties after show fights and imagine that characters are all 'besties 5-eva~~ uwu', when in reality youkai murder humans on the reg and Reimu occasionally bothers to sally forth and beat up or kill some other youkai
I agree with everything here with the exception of youkai freely killing humans; there are rules set in place regarding that, unless you mean outsiders or people who leave the village.

Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 01:08:47 No.15585417
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Can't wait for another shitstorm next year, or whenever the third SCoOW's gonna be released.

There gonna be info about Yuuka, Shikieki, Suwako, Satori, etc I assume. It'll be /jp/'s busiest time.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 01:15:19 No.15585447 >>15585417 >Satori Jesus christ, if there is there's gonna be some hurt butts around here.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 02:50:37 No.15585707 >>15585417 More Yuuka and Komachi info is always welcomed imo

Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 04:26:20 No.15585864

>>15584634

She was born in the village though and her family probably still lives there.

I wouldn't be surprised if Reimu really tried to kill her only strengthening her images as a complete bitch.

But since it's Marisa I wouldn't be surprised if some strong youkai helped her the moment she turns. The likes of Remi would probably want her.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 04:30:00 No.15585874 >>15585154 Rules many youkai obviously don't give a shit about. FS just confirmed that humans dying is pretty common.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 06:37:54 No.15586134 >>15585417 I dunno, it's not like SCoOW ever revealed "new" info, it was all already there, if anything it just shows how retarded and secondary a large part of /jp/ is

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 06:42:04 No.15586147 >>15586134 It confirms things in a way that can't be argued with.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 06:43:37 No.15586153 >>15586147 Judging by the mental gymnastic some people are doing about Ran, nothing will ever stop arguing

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 06:48:05 No.15586161 >>15586153 There's always going to be things left unexplained, vague, or confusing, and where there are people will argue. I wonder how much of all these debates is due to shitty translations.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 06:51:24 No.15586168 >>15586161 The translations are fine from what I can assess, the problem is that people don't want to let go of their idea of Touhou based around doujin works and memes

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 06:54:47 No.15586175 >>15586168 >The translations are fine from what I can assess You should take a look at some of the games' character profile translations. Some of them are machine-translation level.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 07:59:56 No.15586315 >>15586168 The games themselves are pretty meme-y, what with Marisa dropping repeated jokes about JRPGs in Subterranean Animism alone. Gensokyo's a dark world, sure, but one that's also very openly fake.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 08:11:34 No.15586346 >>15585864 >calling Reimu a bitch opinion invalidated

Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 08:13:30 No.15586356

>>15585874
No it didn't.

If it was common they'd run out of humans fast. In the page the OP chapter is from, people were flipping the fuck out since it was claimed someone died. They'd notice if someone went missing or died. The village isn't huge or highly populated.

Now I don't doubt there are some exceptions to keep the fear up, but most you hear about dying are outsiders.

Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 12:38:40 No.15587069
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>>15583621
and I want to know what is the deal with the spirit world, if is the "dark side" of the earth in the same way that moon gensokyo doesn't have reason to exist unless yukari created it with another purposes in mind

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 12:43:51 No.15587084 >>15583711 >>15584130 Isn't suppose that marisa want to become an hermit >>15583712 anon, except reimu all living earthlings seem weak to lunarians, even remilia

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 12:50:37 No.15587110 >>15584637 I´m always thinking that alice arrive to gensokyo as a magician and the transformation was in other place, and the relative time of "newborn as magician" isn't measured in human terms so she can be a new youkai in youkai time

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 13:16:47 No.15587153 >>15586356 They were freaking out because the guy was killed by human means, not because he died. Few chapters earlier another guy died due to youkai.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 13:18:16 No.15587155 >>15583621 All you need to do make the entire world believe in youkai again is Yukari making a youtube channel.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 13:41:47 No.15587205 >>15586175 Prove it.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 14:03:12 No.15587249 >>15587205 The first half of Chen's profile is pretty fucked.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 14:27:51 No.15587302 >>15587249 Then fix it, you who knows oh so much.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 14:30:01 No.15587313 >>15587302 It doesn't take a chef to tell you the food's burned.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 15:27:16 No.15587488 >>15587084 tfw reimu could be yorihime like if she wasn't lazy as fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 15:33:34 No.15587519 >>15587313 >i don't know japanese >but i KNOW this is translation is not accurate! I'm quoting your retarded implications. If you know enough nip to know it's wrong, then you know enough nip to go fix it.

Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 15:37:49 No.15587536 [DELETED]

>>15587519
>Although she's a shikigami, her normal form is not always in a form of a charm, she can remains in her human-like form in normal situation so it won't be bothersome to classify her types.
If you can't see why this might not be a good translation, I don't know what to tell you.

Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 15:40:02 No.15587548 [DELETED]

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>>15587519
Are you fucking stupid?

It's like saying you can't tell a movies bad from watching it. "Hey this movie is shit" "WELL IF YOU KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT MOVIES GO AND FIX IT, RETARD."

If you know enough of the fucking language you can tell translations are fucked up just off of the small portion you know, but that doesn't mean you can fix the entirety of the fucking sentence that you know for a fact is now wrong, you fucking mong.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 16:01:04 No.15587636 >>15587153 that guy asked for it!

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 16:01:12 No.15587639 >>15587488 It's a good thing she's not like yorihime

Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 16:25:17 No.15587739 [DELETED]

>>15587536
Go ahead and fix it. What in the fuck are you waiting for? Isn't it wrong? Aren't you telling me it's wrong? Then why are you leaving like that? Could it be because you're just talking out of your ass? No, that can't be it, right? You wouldn't lie to me, would you? You're going to fix it, right?

>>15587548
>It's like saying you can't tell a movies bad from watching it. "Hey this movie is shit" "WELL IF YOU KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT MOVIES GO AND FIX IT, RETARD."
If you seriously think these two situations are comparable then there's nothing more to be said here.
>If you know enough of the fucking language you can tell translations are fucked up just off of the small portion you know, but that doesn't mean you can fix the entirety of the fucking sentence that you know for a fact is now wrong, you fucking mong.
If you can say it's wrong, then it's precisely because you know enough of the language to see that it's wrong and what the correct form would be. Else why can you say it's wrong? Maybe it's right and you think it's wrong because you don't know enough, ever think of that one?

Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 16:46:05 No.15587826 [DELETED]

>>15587739
>Go ahead and fix it.
Non sequitur.

"Knowing that something is wrong" and "knowing what the correct version is" are two very different problems.
In the former case, anyone with English as a primary language can look at that sentence and say "hey, this is fucked up and doesn't make a lot of sense due to bizarre word choice and malformed grammar. I have good reason to believe there is a significantly better translation possible."

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 17:00:32 No.15587876 >>15587826 So I just went and checked the wiki again, and what do you know, it's still not fixed. You disappoint me, anon, you really do.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 17:03:30 No.15587885 >>15587876 Come on, you can try harder than that.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 17:16:43 No.15587921 X->Y translations by X natives are often more accurate than those by Y natives even though they read like shit. That said, I looked at Chen's profile translations and it's pretty fucked.

Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 17:22:08 No.15587953 [DELETED]

>>15587885
Why should I? You insist so hard, so relentlessly that the translation is wrong, you seem so sure of this fact. But it wasn't fixed yet. Hell, you didn't even try posting something that would be more accurate in this thread. Instead, you're just backpedalling and insisting that the translation is wrong because you said so.

Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 18:26:48 No.15588313 [DELETED]

>>15587739
>If you seriously think these two situations are comparable then there's nothing more to be said here.

It is comparable you aspie, you're telling someone that if he's critiquing something, he's good enough to fix/do it himself. Which is exactly the same thing as saying pointing out flaws in something like the movie example, he's good enough to direct his own movie because he knows enough to know something is fucking wrong.

>If you can say it's wrong, then it's precisely because you know enough of the language to see that it's wrong and what the correct form would be.

No, you are literally fucking with me.You don't necessarily know the entirety of a sentence in another language, but you may know some words, and you can pick out obvious mistranslations. You clearly can't fix the entire script based off of this knowledge, but you know that the line itself is wrong. This then draws the rest of the translation into question. You can't actually do anything about it because you lack the ability to retranslate the entire thing yourself, but you do know that there are issues, because if one part is obviously wrong, it is not a stretch to assume there are other obvious flaws within it.

>Maybe it's right and you think it's wrong because you don't know enough.
Kill yourself.

Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 20:41:17 No.15588899 [DELETED]

>>15588313
>It is comparable you aspie
So you do, what a fucking idiot.

It's not comparable you aspie, you don't need any movie-making knowledge to criticize a movie. You do need Japanese knowledge to criticize a Japanese translation. Or what, are you telling me I can say the translations on the wiki are all shit without knowing Japanese myself?

There's nothing more to be said here.

Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 20:53:21 No.15588945 [DELETED]

>>15588899
>You do need Japanese knowledge to criticize a Japanese translation.
There are two criteria to a translation: accuracy, and whether the resulting translation reads like garbage in its new language. Somebody who doesn't know Japanese can critique the latter even if he isn't qualify to comment on the former.

He then inferred because the English read like crap, that the translator probably wasn't much good at Japanese either. That's not always a safe assumption, though in this case it happens to be correct. I promise to update the translation if I ever muster up enough willingness.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 21:11:51 No.15588991 >>15588945 >though in this case it happens to be correct. And it still isn't fixed. How about you just fuck off instead of blowing hot air like you have any credibility?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 21:20:03 No.15589015 >>15587519 >>15587739 >>15587953 >>15588899 >>15588991 So did someone fuck you're waifu or what?

Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 21:48:08 No.15589097 [DELETED]

>>15589015
No, it just pisses me off to no end when someone goes "uuhhhh this translation is wrong sir" and instead of saying why or how it's wrong and/or fixing it, they don't do anything and keep avoiding the subject while pretending they're still in the right.

Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 21:56:42 No.15589127 [DELETED]

>>15588991
>And it still isn't fixed.
I acknowledged this in the very next sentence.

>How about you just fuck off instead of blowing hot air like you have any credibility?
Are we offering each other advice? How about you find the nearest subway track to lie down on instead of bitching that not everybody commenting is willing to provide you an instant free translation because you called them a lazy fag.

Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 22:21:08 No.15589233 [DELETED]

>>15589127
>I acknowledged this in the very next sentence.
And it still isn't fixed? You know, you won't fix it with promises.

>excuses excuses blah blah blah
Just say you have no idea if it's actually right or not. Telling the truth won't kill you, you know? And if you had been truthful since the beginning, then we wouldn't be here arguing about nothing.

I'm not calling you a lazy fag. I'm calling you a liar fag. Although I guess you're also a lazy fag since, if you actually knew any Japanese, you could have shut me up a long time ago yet you're still not doing it.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 22:21:54 No.15589237 >>15589097 Sorry you suck at translating and are getting shit for it,

Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 22:28:26 No.15589259 [DELETED]

>>15588899
You do, in fact, need movie knowledge to critize a movie. You don't need the knowledge of how to make a movie.

You do need knowledge of Japanese to criticize a translation, but you don't need perfect knowledge of Japanese to do so.

You can certainly criticize an overly liberal translation, or even one that is just blatantly wrong, without enough knowledge to be able to translate the line. You only need to know a few words to know that isn't what the person said without necessarily being able to fill in the rest.

You're a fucking moron who has no idea what the fuck he's saying and acting like you understand what's going on and get mad at things that aren't even a critique to your own skills, unless you're the one who translated it themselves.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 22:32:21 No.15589273 >>15578980 Mokou looks cool af

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 22:36:05 No.15589287 File: 389 KB, 1075x1517, 009_1ael.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15579059 >One of the reason I like Touhou so much is because there was no grimdark bullshit >Who is Mokou? lol, secondary confirmed

Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 22:59:44 No.15589354 [DELETED]

>>15589237
>i-i-it was y-you!!!!11
Go back to /qa/.

>>15589259
>You do, in fact, need movie knowledge to critize a movie.
I didn't say "movie knowledge", I said "movie-making knowledge". I'm not going to read your post, you clearly didn't read mine.

Still not fixed, by the way.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 23:05:04 No.15589366 >>15583661 Sakuya and Remilia's dialogue in IN Extra stage explicitly said Sakuya is a human who can die, so she's definitely not immortal.

Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 23:14:03 No.15589400 [DELETED]

>>15589354
>I didn't say "movie knowledge", I said "movie-making knowledge". I'm not going to read your post, you clearly didn't read mine.

Very mature and really brings to light what kind of person you are to take something out of context and get mad enough to not read the rest of the post. (which I know you did by the way)

Assuming I'm the same person you were arguing with earlier to tell them to fix it themselves is also cute.

You are literally the biggest fuck boy.

You were stating straight up you didn't need any knowledge of the Japanese language outside of knowing the single portion of the problem of the entire sentence you knew was wrong to fix the entire sentence or else you just "Dont understand" and the translation is just spot on and you're the idiot and just don't understand the language. On top of that, you were fucking assuming that someone should go out of their way to fix something someone else fucked up themselves. If you honestly believe that you need mastery of the entire language to critique a sentence and how it's translated for the public to read, you're the most ignorant person I've ever seen.

I'm also going to stop responding because I have more important things to do than argue with someone who is intentionally baiting angry responses, like just jerking off to your waifu.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 23:46:51 No.15589518 >>15589366 So can lunarians: they'll live forever normally, but violence will still kill them. We'd need more information on Sakuya to make a judgement anyway.

Anonymous Mon, Jul 25, 2016 23:53:09 No.15589542 [DELETED]

>>15589400
>to take something out of context
That's literally the sentence you yourself wrote in its entirety with no modifications or anything else. It's not my problem if you're an autist that can't communicate with other people properly.

>Assuming I'm the same person you were arguing with earlier to tell them to fix it themselves is also cute.
I'm not assuming anything, I'm just pointing it out. You feel like I'm talking about you, I wonder why that is.

>You are literally the biggest fuck boy.
Nice argument. Very eloquently put, if I do say so myself.

>You were stating straight up you didn't need any knowledge of the Japanese language outside of knowing the single portion of the problem of the entire sentence you knew was wrong to fix the entire sentence
>If you honestly believe that you need mastery of the entire language to critique a sentence and how it's translated for the public to read, you're the most ignorant person I've ever seen.
I never said any of these things. Again, if you know enough Japanese to know a mistake in translation was made, you know enough Japanese to fix the translation.

>On top of that, you were fucking assuming that someone should go out of their way to fix something someone else fucked up themselves.
What's wrong with that? If you are so bothered about them that you are here bitching about them and writing walls of text when called out, why don't you just cut the shit and fix the thing? You know enough Japanese to know a mistake is being made. You know enough Japanese to fix this mistake.

>I'm also going to stop responding because I have more important things to do
And just like that, he bows out of the conversation without having fixed anything. He's going to go to other thread, complain about translations again, I'm going to tell him again to do something about it if they bother him so much, and then we'll repeat this dance all over again.

Looking forward to it.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 00:00:35 No.15589565 >>15586346 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCbBIb39tBA

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 00:10:25 No.15589592 [DELETED]

>>15589542
>And just like that, he bows out of the conversation without having fixed anything. He's going to go to other thread, complain about translations again, I'm going to tell him again to do something about it if they bother him so much, and then we'll repeat this dance all over again.

>Looking forward to it.

Truly the hero we need.

If this is your life, why haven't you killed yourself?

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 00:48:01 No.15589728 [DELETED]

>>15589233
>And it still isn't fixed? You know, you won't fix it with promises.
You're right. I'll update when I feel like it and not before. Not everybody commenting is willing to provide you an instant free translation because you called them a liar, either.

>Although I guess you're also a lazy fag since, if you actually knew any Japanese, you could have shut me up a long time ago yet you're still not doing it.
Why would I shut up an entitled asshole by giving him exactly what he wants?

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 01:13:40 No.15589849
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>>15583693
I always felt like her vampire hunter rumor has to do with why there are no vampires in Gensokyo aside from Remi and Flan. I feel that being as prideful as she is, Remilia is also just as territorial. Patchouli can manipulate most elements vampire are weak to, Mei-Ling uses alot of light based attacks, and Sakuya uses knives made of silver. I can't help but think Remila and the bunch did abit of exterminating themself during the vampire war or before maybe while still outside.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 01:20:58 No.15589865 [DELETED]

>>15589728
That's swell and all, but if you're going to have that mindset then you shouldn't get so enraged when someone accuses of not knowing jack shit about what you're talking about.

And I'm not asking for an "instant free translation", exactly. I'm asking for you to put your money where your mouth is.

>Why would I shut up an entitled asshole by giving him exactly what he wants?
How curious that that just happens to be proof that you're not talking out of your ass. Peculiar, even.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 01:43:02 No.15589944 [DELETED]

>>15589865
>That's swell and all, but if you're going to have that mindset then you shouldn't get so enraged when someone accuses of not knowing jack shit about what you're talking about.
If you're going to act like an entitled faggot you shouldn't act enraged when people don't bend over backwards trying to cater to you.

The fact is that providing a translation takes significantly more time and effort than pointing out that something is wrong. As I've said repeatedly - along with another poster who I believe has made zero claim to any knowledge of Japanese - pointing out that a translation is bad doesn't necessarily mean you have the skills to produce an excellent translation (and if you're going to stick something onto what is the de facto official English source, it should be.)

Ideally, to produce an excellent translation, you need someone who's truly fluent in the language, which, tragically, I'm not. If I were to try my hand at the translation, I would be compiling the English at a painstaking pace and double-checking every sentence I was unsure of against a grammar dictionary to make sure that what I'm producing is error-free.

But that's besides the point. You do not need a perfect command of Japanese to criticize a translation. Even a second-year student can point out problems with some translations (references to things that are not there, missing references to things that are there). Someone who doesn't know Japanese at all can point out that the English reads like shit, in which case, the translation is flawed. These people can and will fuck up (especially students who know more than they think to do, often with laughable results) but to claim that their skill in detecting translation flaws is therefore zero is a stupid standard.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 02:43:18 No.15590115 [DELETED]

>>15589944
>If you're going to act like an entitled faggot you shouldn't act enraged when people don't bend over backwards trying to cater to you.
Don't project your anger onto me, you're the one that doesn't know what "entitled" means.

>who I believe has made zero claim to any knowledge of Japanese
Yes, that's what the whole problem here is. Someone that doesn't speak Japanese coming in and saying a Japanese translation was incorrect. You could argue that maybe he does speak Japanese and therefore knows why it's wrong and in what way, but he surely did not demonstrate, even when provided with ample opportunities to do so. And this all applies to you too. Of course, there's a really quick way to prove me wrong here but you already said you don't want to do it, so don't fault me if I think it's because you can't.

So are you going to fix it or are you just going to keep wasting my time?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 02:45:43 No.15590123 >>15590115 >Don't project your anger onto me, you're the one that doesn't know what "entitled" means. You're the one demanding that other people do things for you. >really quick You didn't even read my fucking post.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 03:21:22 No.15590223

I just got here, but I'm curious about the translations. I wouldn't be suprised if they are shit, but I don't feel like putting in any effort towards finding the english and japanese versions and comparing them. If someone does that for me I'll do my best to tell where it is wrong, if it is. In time anyway, I'm pretty lazy.

日本語は言語として簡単ではない。翻訳も難しく、上手と思っていても間違いやすいところも沢山ある

翻訳に疑問があるなら日本語と訳された英語をここに貼ってください。

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 03:26:32 No.15590239

>>15590223
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Chen#Official_Profiles

I suspect that the translation of the 化け猫に鬼神を憑かせて高い妖力を得ている line is the most incorrect, because を憑くdoesn't use the direct object in the same way that "possess" does. I was looking this up and wasn't certain.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 03:35:37 No.15590256 [DELETED]

>>15590115
by any chance, can you speak any language aside english? If so you'd know like everyone is telling you that is possible to read something and think "this is a bit off" but still can't be able to fix it, for example I can understand english, and japanese audio (slowly making my way through kanji) and sometimes even if I know something is wrong I can't fix it

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 04:05:38 No.15590299

>>15590239
>化け猫に鬼神を憑かせて高い妖力を得ているが、橙を使う者も式神であるため、その能力はやや低い。
>The monstrous cat is possessed by the power of a fierce god, but because she herself is a shikigami, she is not that strong.

That is how I would personally translate that line (if I was going for as direct a translation as possible)

But if your want to know how "を憑かせて" is generally used in japanese it's always a good idea to google it. You get stuff like: "相手に霊を憑かせて自分に良いように操作する" or (Can I) get my partner to be possessed by spirits and controlled how I like?

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 04:11:32 No.15590312

>>15590299
That's actually what I did to come the conclusion that I did. It's pretty disorienting because 魚を食べる means "I eat fish" whereas 霊を憑く would mean "I haunt spirits" if you interpreted it in the naive fashion.

>橙を使う者
This should be "the one using Chen", right?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 04:13:06 No.15590318 >>15590312 yes, this is about ran

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 04:14:11 No.15590319 [DELETED]

>>15590299
Yeah, that example suggests that my interpretation was correct. I was thrown for a loop at first because 魚を食べる means "to eat fish" whereas 霊を憑く does not in fact, mean, "to possess spirits."

>橙を使う者
This should be "the one using Chen", right?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 04:16:25 No.15590324 >>15590312 Yes, that is correct. I should have been more specific. >橙を使う者も式神であるため、その能力はやや低い。 Because the one who uses chen is also a shikigami, she is also weak.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 04:29:19 No.15590344

>>15590299
I thought that the first clause was divided like this:

>化け猫に鬼神を憑かせて
>高い妖力を得ている
which would mean, "monster cats which have been possessed by fierce gods have great power."

Is there a clear indicator here whether the 妖力を得ている clause is applying to the monstrous cat or than the fierce god?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 04:32:22 No.15590353 >>15590344 the sentence structure points towards this meaning, so it can be interpreted as "by making a fierce god posses a monster cat it gains a great power"

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 07:50:33 No.15590734 >>15578895 In my headcanon Touhou is grim, but I don't like the direction the story is heading. These days it's pretty much metaphysics-based politics every time. If I cared about politics, I'd watch TV.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 09:32:46 No.15590898 This is the worst fucking thread on /jp/. Congrats to the fag who demands free translations and the fag who considers his grimdark headcanon as actual canon

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 09:40:14 No.15590911 >>15590898 >This is the worst fucking thread on /jp/. I dunno, babymetal threads still exist for some reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 10:46:59 No.15591078 >>15590898 That's not "look at this cute 2hu #1684596"

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 10:51:27 No.15591094 >>15591078 Those are still x100 better than 3D generals.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 11:07:26 No.15591145 >>15591094 Yeah, I have to agree about those entitled assholes. The generic cute 2hu threads only add more to /jp/'s decline.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 12:01:59 No.15591302 Translations by students are like sausages; it's best not to see them being made. >>15590898 Free translation fag got what he came for, kind of, so he's still the winner here.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 13:21:32 No.15591581 [DELETED]

>>15590123
>You're the one demanding that other people do things for you.
How cute you think this means I'm angry. I gave my reasoning for being like this several times, I'm not going to do it again.

>You didn't even read my fucking post.
I did and you're making everything sound a lot more complicated than it actually is. It's just a big excuse to not do anything and keep this conversation going, because I guess you don't have anything better to do.

>>15590256
Yes, I have knowledge of a couple other languages. Japanese is sadly not one of them or I would have identified and fixed the mistake already to show the guy he's being a drama queen for no reason (I'd also go translate the new CoLA because why the hell is no one doing that, but that's besides the point). And while I'll concede that sometimes translations take time to make because research needs to be done to ensure the translation is as accurate as it can possibly be to the source quote, especially when it is to be submitted to somewhere relatively-important, we've arguing for several hours so it's not like he didn't have any time to do it.

>>15591302
I wish I won. This is not about the translation in itself, but about complaining about it while having the knowledge to fix it and not doing so because the ugly mean /jp/see poopoohead will win boo hoo. It's great and all that, what I assume is, a better translation has been posted in this thread but it won't matter because in a few days, maybe weeks or months, someone will complain again about that one that is on the wiki and this conversation will start all over again.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 13:42:24 No.15591661 [DELETED]

>>15591581
>How cute you think this means I'm angry.
No, it means you're entitled.

>I did and you're making everything sound a lot more complicated than it actually is.
I explained to you exactly why the process would not be "really quick." You did not even bother to formulate a response.

I assumed you were declining to read the post rather than choosing to be a deliberate jackass, but it seems like I was wrong about that.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 13:47:14 No.15591681 [DELETED]

>>15591581
>we've arguing for several hours so it's not like he didn't have any time to do it
It takes me about one minute to write a post. I was busy. If I reply to you twice over the course of three hours it does not mean I took 180 minutes to write those three posts.

I later took the time to begin research, and told you it would be done when it was done, but instead you chose to be a complete jackass about it, throwing accusations of being a liar and continually hounding for me about why it wasn't done yet. This is spectacular asshole behavior. You even acknolwedge that you were a fucking asshole in your own words ("ugly mean /jp/see poopoohead"), but only for the sole purpose of ridiculing the people who were put off by your asshole behavior.

All this over something that I would have been conducting in my own spare time for the sole purpose of appeasing some whiny shitposting fuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 14:00:16 No.15591732 >>15590734 So you want quick action/spooky jumpscares?

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 14:53:57 No.15591924 [DELETED]

>>15591661
>No, it means you're entitled.
Since you insist on using this word, I'm going to assume you know what it actually means and ask why was the translation not fixed yet if I'm entitled to it.

>I explained to you exactly why the process would not be "really quick."
This isn't the Divine Comedy, anon. It shouldn't take you several months of grueling, intense research, planning and proofreading to translate.

>>15591681
>It takes me about one minute to write a post. I was busy. If I reply to you twice over the course of three hours it does not mean I took 180 minutes to write those three posts.
That's what I'm saying. You had plenty of time to do anything besides keep getting mad over nothing. But I guess that's a lot easier to do than actually making an effort.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 15:05:57 No.15591976 [DELETED]

>>15591924
Entitlement is the expectation that others will do things for you. It doesn't always refer to an actual entitlement program.

>It shouldn't take you several months of grueling, intense research, planning and proofreading to translate.
Where did this "several months" come from? Why does your argument always change the moment anyone fucking calls you out on your garbage? The original argument, that started before I interjected myself into the conversation, was that it was possible for people to criticize a translation without necessarily being able to provide a better one. Your response was to reply to the respondent demanding that they fix it, a dozen times over.

>You had plenty of time to do anything besides keep getting mad over nothing.
Yes, I could have spent my spare time catering to a jackass. That's miserable and irritating. Or, I could spend it enjoying myself in my spare time, or performing professional obligations, or calling you out as the jackass that you were being and still are, all of which would be more beneficial or enjoyable than laboring for your benefit.

Just because people are capable of spending their time bowing and scraping to you doesn't mean that anybody should do so.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 15:17:17 No.15592036 It was better when Touhou didn't take itself so seriously.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 16:21:46 No.15592269 [DELETED]

>>15591976
>Entitlement is the expectation that others will do things for you.
You should pick up a dictionary some time.

>Where did this "several months" come from? Why does your argument always change the moment anyone fucking calls you out on your garbage?
How dense are you? All I'm saying is the piece of translation to fix isn't a fucking multi-part novel, it shouldn't take you a million years to fix it like you oh so love implying.

>The original argument, that started before I interjected myself into the conversation, was that it was possible for people to criticize a translation without necessarily being able to provide a better one.
Yes, and that is a bullshit argument for reasons already explained more than once.

>Your response was to reply to the respondent demanding that they fix it, a dozen times over.
It's almost like you and your split personalities kept insisting a dozen times over that yes there is totally a mistake in the Japanese translation, that yes you lot totally have the ability to tell because of Japanese knowledge, that yes the mistake bothers you and that no, you won't fix it. I think it's perfectly reasonable to question your skill at said other language given the circumstances. But hey, I'm not a faggot so what do I know.

>Yes, I could have spent my spare time showing I'm not the man with the talking ass.
Yeah, you COULD have. Hell, you CAN. You just DON'T. I don't know what motivation you have that makes you not do it, and I don't care to know either. This whole argument is still going because of one simple fact: You keep parading your Japanese knowledge like it's your life's work, when asked to demonstrate you say "nah", and then get offended when people assume you don't know Japanese after all.

If you aren't going to prove you're not the hot smoke blowing machine (or as you call it, "spend your time bowing and scraping to me") like you're acting like you are then just let go and fuck off. Not that I'm expecting you to do so, since I bet you find the prospect of losing an internet argument to be "miserable and irritating".

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 19:23:50 No.15592793 2hu's should die.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 19:44:31 No.15592874 >>15592036 It was better when people just considered themselves 2hu fans rather than primary and secondary. That shit is dumb.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 19:46:56 No.15592884 >>15592874 You forgot your Memeji picture.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 19:50:02 No.15592906 >>15592884 Sorry, I don't engage in memes.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 19:51:02 No.15592913 >>15592906 Sure thing secondary.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 19:58:51 No.15592943 File: 666 KB, 1006x1443, xeXKUp3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] VFiS is here to remind everyone that things can still be lighthearted.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 20:00:53 No.15592946 >>15592943 And super lewd.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 20:03:37 No.15592954 >>15592943 Boring*

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 20:11:35 No.15592981

Remilia is one of the worst 2hu's. She's goes on a rampage when she first comes and gets a nice swat on her butt. She then let's poison mist spread all over gensokyo for just wanting to walk during the day. She literally gases the natives. Though Tenshi is still the worst.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 20:22:45 No.15593007 >>15592943 Is that supposed to be ice cream on top?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 20:32:39 No.15593040 >>15592981 But assholes are more interesting.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 20:39:54 No.15593053 File: 25 KB, 500x379, fucking tea.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15593007 It's sperm

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 20:42:57 No.15593065 >>15593007 Have you never had shaved ice? They pour flavoured syrup on top.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 20:58:21 No.15593124 >>15593065 I'd give a 2hu the home maid lemon syrup.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 21:08:50 No.15593157 >>15592981 Remilia is touhou Hitler?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 22:17:54 No.15593314 >>15593157 Remilia is literally Hitler

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 23:07:34 No.15593480 >>15592981 I don't remember the mist being poisonous.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 23:17:09 No.15593514 >>15592981 the mist wasn't poisonous, you just can't keep blocking the sun without causing problems

Anonymous Tue, Jul 26, 2016 23:38:14 No.15593562

>>15593480
>>15593514
Maybe you should stop being secondaries.

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil/Story/Prologue
>This strange energy was so strong that a normal human would only survive for about 30 minutes, but non-humans too would have about thirty minutes.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 01:03:58 No.15593742 >>15593480 >>15593514 Merely inhaling the mist will make you feel sick, and this led to people being unable to leave not only the human village, but even their homes over the course of the next several days. This is in PMiSS

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 02:05:29 No.15593966 >>15593562 So Remilia borrowed the Cloud from the Sierra Madre?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 03:26:40 No.15594280 >>15586161 Nah, more like people can come up with "flaws" themselves even if the fact is clear enough.

Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 08:08:47 No.15594988
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One day FS will definitely reach Ghost at School level and become a spooky manga.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 10:24:42 No.15595344 File: 36 KB, 486x488, letty buttthrusted.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15592874 Yeah, we should just call annoying faggots "cancer"

Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 10:52:55 No.15595415 [DELETED]

>>15592269
>You should pick up a dictionary some time.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/entitlement
"belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges"

>All I'm saying is the piece of translation to fix isn't a fucking multi-part novel
That's not what you said. You said it would be "very quick." You're a backpedaling, lying piece of shit who jettisons claims and pretends you never made them when they blow up in your face.

>Yes, and that is a bullshit argument for reasons already explained more than once.
You haven't explained it a single fucking time. Your response was to tell him to fix it.

>that yes you lot totally have the ability to tell because of Japanese knowledge
My "other personality" never claimed any Japanese knowledge. You're simply a liar.

>when asked to demonstrate you say "nah"
I said that I would. I then later engaged in a discussion of the actual issue with several other anonymous postesr. The only time I declined demonstrate is when you demanded that it be done NOW. Repeatedly.

>I bet you find the prospect of losing an internet argument to be "miserable and irritating".
There's no way in hell I can possibly lose this argument. All that's really happening is that you're getting more and more opportunities to display what a lying piece of shit you are.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 11:53:06 No.15595597 >>15595344 Ironically posting a meme picture.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 11:57:25 No.15595605 I'm pretty sure the body Ran have is Tamamo no mae's body.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 12:12:07 No.15595641 >>15595605 So, Ran is Omachi?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 14:08:46 No.15596096 File: 45 KB, 247x399, eat shit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15592036 More like people shouldn't take Touhou too seriously.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 14:20:58 No.15596137 >>15592943 Are they eating Cirno?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 14:23:33 No.15596148 >>15596137 Yeah

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 15:07:47 No.15596365 How many people have Reimu killed? two?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 15:30:01 No.15596492 >>15593562 you should stop calling people secondaries, I played EoSD way long time ago, forgot about that

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 15:40:08 No.15596544 >>15596365 >people You mean dirty youkai scum? They were not humans anymore.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 16:05:15 No.15596685 File: 883 KB, 500x269, XS5LK.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15593966

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 16:19:10 No.15596764 File: 106 KB, 800x338, insane man.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Best villager

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 17:10:27 No.15597027 File: 637 KB, 1099x1440, murderer.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15596544 >They were not humans

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 17:13:23 No.15597043 File: 39 KB, 640x480, 1434810879746.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15597027 Human once. Human no more.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 17:14:24 No.15597047 File: 12 KB, 800x500, 1464476761903.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15596764 W-what do you mean?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jul 27, 2016 17:37:19 No.15597114 >>15597043 Reimu pls go

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 28, 2016 21:10:33 No.15602208 >>15597027 This image still triggers me.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Jul 28, 2016 21:24:30 No.15602268 File: 33 KB, 900x700, 1469453410551.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15602208 Truth hurts, doesn't it?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jul 29, 2016 00:24:39 No.15602903 File: 27 KB, 640x360, 1413322921798.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15602268 Go away, you two-faced goddamn psychopath. Go back to being Yukari's bitch

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jul 29, 2016 01:49:54 No.15603149 >>15593157 >>15593314 So she did nothing wrong, good to know.

Anonymous Fri, Jul 29, 2016 13:05:57 No.15605275
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>>15579481
>>15581655

Meiling has also been described as being relatively pleasant with people visiting at the gate (so long as they're not trying to get past her), and that its hard to tell she's even a youkai to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jul 29, 2016 14:40:03 No.15605668 >>15605275 >its hard to tell she's even a youkai to begin with. I feel you, at first I thought Meiling was a human and Sakuya was the youkai.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jul 29, 2016 14:46:04 No.15605691 >>15605668 I just now realized the dynamic those two have. The human-like youkai and the youkai-like human. Damn I'm slow.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jul 29, 2016 14:48:46 No.15605700 >>15597027 Don't just leave out a keyword of the quote, you dolt.

Anonymous Fri, Jul 29, 2016 14:51:03 No.15605713

>>15605668

I was referring to how she's described in PMiSS.

" She is unusually human-like for a youkai, and if you talk to her while she is on the job, she will make idle chatter or complain about whatever is on her mind. She may threaten you with words, but as long as you don't try to break through the gate, she will rarely attack. You would even think that the person you're talking to might be a human."

I've always thought it was an interesting aspect of Meiling's character, how despite being a youkai, she is almost entirely un-youkai-like.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jul 29, 2016 14:54:01 No.15605723 >>15605713 Yeah, she's great.

Anonymous Fri, Jul 29, 2016 16:50:42 No.15606203

>>15578895
You are implying a world where people get eaten by youkai which take the form of little girls wasn't dark and grim in the first place.

Hell; the Demon World [Makai] has existed since Touhou 1. Death is a promiment theme in Touhou as well [Netherworld; Higan]

>>	........ Sat, Jul 30, 2016 08:25:36 No.15609179 >>15578895 I'll letcha know after I see that fanart anime of all of em stuffed into an apartment building...

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 08:34:37 No.15609201 >>15578895 Holy shit, what did I miss? I left after the whole Count debacle.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 08:37:30 No.15609205 >>15578980 Same here, fampai.

Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 08:38:40 No.15609210
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>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 08:44:47 No.15609223 File: 978 KB, 991x1440, 004.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Cute

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 08:49:49 No.15609239 File: 846 KB, 987x1440, 011.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Aya gets a new costume.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 08:51:00 No.15609243 File: 836 KB, 990x1440, 013.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Game of Thrones: Gensokyo Edition

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 08:52:11 No.15609245 File: 809 KB, 987x1440, 015.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Here we go again.

Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 08:53:22 No.15609248
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Aya rapes Kosuzu doujin where?

Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 08:55:01 No.15609252
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Wew

Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 08:56:09 No.15609254
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DOOM

Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 08:57:21 No.15609256
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Okay, that doesn't look like Byakuren at all.

Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 08:58:33 No.15609259
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Moon rabbits confirmed as slaves.

Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 09:02:15 No.15609267
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More Male Touhou characters

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 09:07:09 No.15609280 >>15582777 He's redpilled basically.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 09:15:24 No.15609306 >>15582777 "Oppressed" isn't quite the right term. With just a little something, humans could overturn everything in Gensokyo. They are kept ignorant, it's not quite oppression.

Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 09:36:54 No.15609359
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Reimu is fucking ruthless.

Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 10:15:41 No.15609482
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Holy shit, is this ZUN making a social commentary about Twitter?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 10:20:51 No.15609499 File: 634 KB, 1006x1443, 002.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why don't they have eyes?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 11:00:40 No.15609644 >>15609499 They do not see as we see.

Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 11:17:30 No.15609677

>>15578895

People will say it always was, but it wans'nt it was full of silyness, game endings were always in pastel with everyone besoming friend.

But's since 2010/2011 Zun seem to push is world into meta religion/politic comments with a twist every corner on off everyone lies for thier own goal.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 11:48:25 No.15609817 >>15609677 >I never read the game prologues in which it's often explicitly stated that youkai kill and eat humans

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jul 30, 2016 13:19:45 No.15610146 >>15609306 Control of information is the most insidious form of oppression that can exist. It's oppression of the mind, making even the thought of uprising impossible.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Aug 1, 2016 15:57:20 No.15620064 >>15610146 if they don't know they have a problem, they don't have a problem. Just make murder maiden solve everything

>>	Anonymous Tue, Aug 2, 2016 09:09:46 No.15623694 >>15610146 >>15609306 "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."

Anonymous Tue, Aug 2, 2016 09:17:59 No.15623709

>>15579888
What the fuck is wrong with Ran?

You got a problem with Ran?

>>15605713
Well she's probably bored as fuck. Someone wanta talk and she's good to waste a while

>>15592943
Too bad Clownpiss is wasting space. Why didn't she just go back with her boss or better yet stay on the moon.

And really the Fairy books tend to be the best book.

Kosuzu's book is just bleh and forces me to remember the last two fighting games existed and were shit.

Kasen's stuff could be neat if you know... someone translated them instead of Kosuzu causes trouble and gets away with it EVERY TIME. At least with Fairies they get punished or their trick fails. She gets away with it EVERY SINGLE TIME.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Aug 2, 2016 09:22:53 No.15623727 >>15609499 Having eyes means you have a soul. Males not having Eyes means they're soulless. Worthless. Why do you think all the rape doujin's have the men having no eyes? It's because they're soulless and without value.

Anonymous Tue, Aug 2, 2016 09:55:02 No.15623788

Touhou has always been both dark as well as lighthearted. It's a story about youkai causing trouble after all and the way youkai work in the touhou universe they need to be a legit threat for people to still believe and fear them.

>>15580586
Mamizou explicitly says during the fortune telling story that a human looking beyond the barrier will invite dark magics unto themselves.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Aug 2, 2016 09:58:16 No.15623802 >>15609306 >>15610146 If humans became powerful and no longer feared youkai the structure of Gensokyo would collapse entirely Fortune teller fanboys are fucking insufferable.

Anonymous Tue, Aug 2, 2016 10:30:00 No.15623916

>>15623788
>Touhou has always been both dark as well as lighthearted
This, very much this.
People who are genuinely surprised and believed that Touhou is becoming more grim should probably read more official works.
This is coming from someone who has not finished CoLA yet.

>>15623802
>Fortune teller fanboys are fucking insufferable
Be careful. Next thing you know you'll be labelled "human-hating, Reimu-loving scum".
But screw those guys, seriously.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Aug 2, 2016 10:58:50 No.15624042 >>15623727 That's pretty deep.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Aug 2, 2016 13:20:42 No.15624666 >>15594988 Who will be the jew?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Aug 2, 2016 14:14:29 No.15624834 I never cared much about touhou fandom, but it's nice to see the series actually being discussed like this.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Aug 2, 2016 23:49:18 No.15627566 >>15624834 It's gotten pretty bad even around here, huh?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 3, 2016 00:00:07 No.15627594 >>15609243 Reisen looks cool here. I like it.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 3, 2016 00:20:02 No.15627649 >>15627566 Everything, not matter how much you might enjoy it at first, gets really old when it's the same shit day in and day out. This is why I can't stand ecchi shit anymore

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 3, 2016 00:31:08 No.15627664 Discussing here looks more like arguing at each other than anything interesting to me.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 3, 2016 00:53:16 No.15627706 >>15627649 Most ecchifags and cuteposters are shallow, but unfortunately they are the majority. That's why they eat up space for other discussion. Can't help it. >>15627664 What do you find interesting, then?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 3, 2016 01:10:14 No.15627752 I don't know. I like the happy-go-lucky side of Touhou but if "grimdark" shit can be used for the sake of making a point (remember Utsuho?), I think it can be clever. Edge for the sake of edge is ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 3, 2016 01:14:17 No.15627766 >>15627752 I think that's what Touhou is doing? People are just overreacting because they are too used with 2hus being moeblob and all.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 3, 2016 01:18:00 No.15627776 >>15624834 >>15627566 I don't know. Endless Fortune Teller and Ran threads filled with the same shitposts and circular logic are no better than empty posts.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 3, 2016 01:42:58 No.15627837 >>15627776 I take that over 2hu feet thread Also Ran thread end up become mommy fox thread in the end, anyway

Anonymous Thu, Aug 4, 2016 02:16:27 No.15632809

>>15627706
Such is life, unfortunately. I find it sad because I believe there's plenty of interesting discussion to be had. This thread, what with arguments being flailed around all over the place, may not be the best of examples, but that's how I see things.
No point crying about it, though, I suppose. You can't change some things.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 4, 2016 02:53:04 No.15632927 Very interesting. Human uprising when, I wanna see i t

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 4, 2016 03:16:16 No.15632993 >>15632927 As much as I'd love to see that happen, I highly doubt shit will ever get that bad. It's just too much, a straight-up DEFCON 2 for Gensokyo. But hey, that's what doujinshi is for, right?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 4, 2016 03:19:06 No.15633006 >>15632927 This, Humans should take back being at the top. Although if anyone has any interesting doujins showing this give me some recommendations.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 4, 2016 03:23:03 No.15633022 Edgy 2hus should just stay on page 10

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 4, 2016 03:27:15 No.15633046 >>15632993 >>15633006 >New 2hu game is about humans rising up to their youkai aggressors >final boss is the human leader I'd pay for it.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 4, 2016 03:29:32 No.15633048 >>15633046 I'd pay for it if I could choose sides, I'd rather fight the Youkai off. Unless it's a secret Youkai trying to destroy Gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 4, 2016 13:07:35 No.15635130 >>15632927 >>15633048 We need this shit, a game/doujin about the humans rising against the youkais and you can pick sides, that sounds really interesting.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 10:42:52 No.15639844
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>>15584999
>Reimu's obligation is to the village and the sacred guidelines
no, Reimu is the one who maintain the Hakurei barrier (with Yukari and Co.) and the equilibrium between humans and youkais; if Reimu have obligated to the human village why she would allow humans still live with fear to be eaten?

>...which thus obliges Reimu to kill Marisa if she becomes a youkai
see >>15584980

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 10:50:29 No.15639862 >>15585417 >Yuuka >Shikieki >Suwako >Satori wew, the shitstorm will be intense but, how do you know it?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 10:59:47 No.15639881 >>15596137 kind of

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 11:05:04 No.15639902 >>15639844 Same reason the salt merchant in the Human Village got killed and possessed.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 11:30:59 No.15639978

>>15609210
>but maybe she's just atached to the current era.
so, ZUN doesn't want to kill akyuu?

>>15609243
>>15609252
more like cold war

>>15609254
if he know about all the shit that reimu lived until now

>>15609259
good for her, really

>>15609280
more or less

>>15609499
because they aren't relevant

>>15609482
ZUN making satire about society is more common that you think, and almost always is in FS

>>15610146
true, but in gensokyo the relative peace and status quo are the shits with priority, do you want another fortune teller?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 11:33:00 No.15639984 >>15623709 clownpiece ran out hell because some shit happened and she didn't want to return

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 11:36:29 No.15639997 >>15632927 do you want gensokyo burn anon?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 11:39:53 No.15640006 >>15578895 Men: the only thing in Gensokyo to have an even worse lifespan than fairies

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 11:41:07 No.15640009 >>15639997 All it takes for that to happen is humans realizing the outside world exists.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 11:46:47 No.15640022

>>15632927
I could read or watch or play literally any other game to see humans beating monsters. The balance of the two in Touhou and its universe is one of the reasons I like it so much. It's a very creative look on how youkai work and how a world can form.

Humans uprising in Gensokyo would just destroy Gensokyo and end the series as they join our world and get mindfucked at all the technology.

>>15627752
>>15627766
Touhou is both happy and grim, you can do both and almost all media does it. You have little girls smugging and talking shit to each other while shooting colored bullets at each other, but the implications have always been serious.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 11:48:30 No.15640030
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>>15578895

It was bound to happen eventually. Gensokyo has two things that could probably cause an outside civilization to invade it:

It's relatively pure, so the Lunarians are implied to be considering to invade it in order to nab a new home since their old one was fairy'd.

It contains Hihi'irokane, which is effectively an unlimited source of power. That covers everyone else.

Here's hoping the invasion arc will contain both; like a non-shitty GATE.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 11:58:55 No.15640064
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>>15592943

Fairies can afford to be so carefree because they fall outside the whole human/youkai dichotomy, and are mostly left alone unless a youkai (or possibly human: hey, it's not technically cannibalism and they respawn) is really, really hungry. But, since they're given more characterization than the humans of the Human Village, they seem more...well, human then characters like Reimu, or at least more relatable.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 17:51:05 No.15641354 >>15640064 If I'm not retarded about remembering this, don't fairies play 'pranks' that are lethal to humans?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 18:41:54 No.15641591 >>15641354 Indeed, one example is that they try to trick humans to fall off cliffs. Shits of Gensokyo, that's what fairies are.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 18:54:37 No.15641634 File: 586 KB, 785x730, miko hope.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15632927 >>15633006 It's like you forgot that totally pro-human leader already exist. She only need a little more motivation.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 19:05:54 No.15641676 >>15641354 Yes. Clownpiece straight up just tries to make them go insane.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 19:34:29 No.15641730 >>15632993 Seen it. The Doujinshi have without fail been shit. Although all the 'HUMANITY FUCK YEA!' meme is just so awful. >>15639984 So she lit the house on fire then? >>15641634 Go home fascist.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 19:38:22 No.15641738 >>15641730 go home commie

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 19:50:43 No.15641781 >>15641730 That is so, unfortunately. I'm not an expert in this subject but I don't really remember a good armageddon doujinshi. I'd argue it's because it's really, REALLY hard to make one that doesn't go pants-on-head retarded.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 19:57:45 No.15641799

>>15641781
I've only seen like one or two nonshit doujinshi like that but that's more because it was pretty much NOT about the disaster (each time it was a typhoon) but the people.

Too bad what they're wanting is a MUH WAR STORY and that just leads to Gate and Gate is awful.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 20:22:44 No.15641891
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>>15641799
True. Such stories just scream of grimdork and needless, pointless edginess.
I also don't get why anyone ever likes Gate. The basic (and I mean the VERY VERY BASIC) premise behind it is kinda neat (a modern military versus a medieval one) but that's about it. Everything else about it is garbage at best. But that's probably a subject best left to /a/.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 20:39:16 No.15641950 >>15640064 Soylent Pink is fairy?

Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 21:11:39 No.15642058
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>>15633006
>Humans should take back being at the top
Humans are ALREADY at the top. Their psychic emanations make or unmake the gods and youkai of Gensokyo. The domination Gensokyo's "most powerful" personage holds over the Human Village is tenuous and teeters on the maintained ignorance, as well as continued indifference, of the people who live therein.

The youkai speak of controlling the village. They are in truth quaking in fear of the humans growing bored with their hamlet life and expanding their village as well as their minds. It is a losing battle, and the youkai are growing desperate. Your turn.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 21:32:09 No.15642115 >>15641591 >Shits of Gensokyo, that's what fairies are. Hit the nail on the head, that. Also, I like the irony that Cirno is considered weak only to other youkai.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 22:55:35 No.15642443
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>>15642058
Adding to your post, the youkai and gods simply can't thrive on ignorance. You know what too much ignorance leads to? Crime, war, sickness and death. And if all the humans that believe in the youkai and gods die, then so do they. The youkai in particular don't want to coexist with humans- It's in their nature, after all- But they must. Humans are the ones that are feeding them- Literally and rhetorically.

I wonder what would Yukari and Co. do when it's decided that the residents of Gensokyo have advanced further enough to discard their superstitious beliefs. Would a new Gensokyo be made, with new residents? Would they still struggle? Would they reverse back time to happy fun times? I guess that's up to doujinshi artists to find out.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 23:17:39 No.15642565 >>15642443 Literally some of that stuff has already happened and was mostly caused by youkai. Sickness, war, and death to be exact, and probably crime depending on what is defines crime in Gensokyo.

Anonymous Fri, Aug 5, 2016 23:53:25 No.15642725
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>>15642565
And all that, just so they could preserve the lives of a few worthless youkai and deities that no one cares about. But such is life in Gensokyo.

Anonymous Sat, Aug 6, 2016 00:00:20 No.15642766

>>15642115

Cirno actually isn't a youkai; yet. It's been pretty much confirmed that fairies exist independently of youkai, including in places like hell where there is presumably no mortal humans to derive belief frome.

However, like humans, fairies have the potential to become youkai.

Anonymous Sat, Aug 6, 2016 02:27:31 No.15643301
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>>15642058
but anon, is THE SAME SHIT that wh40k run on only much less grim and massive, still isn't mean that humans are the most powerful thing ever with heavenly gods and lunarians around probably no more turns because thread hit autosage

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 6, 2016 02:31:20 No.15643311 >>15642725 >just so they could preserve the lives of a few worthless youkai and deities that no one cares about they care for themselves in the same way we care for ourselves as a species

>>	Anonymous Sat, Aug 6, 2016 05:42:03 No.15643930 >>15642766 Funny enough, if you go by the original Celtic origins of fairies as well as the fact that they're able to be strengthened by prayer, fairies are possibly heavily nerfed deities.

Anonymous Sat, Aug 6, 2016 05:52:58 No.15643958

>>15592874
Pretty much, every discussion or argument I've ever engaged in or seen is just:
"HA! You didn't know/remember this specific piece of lore/information. You stupid secondary!"
Any argument or discussion just seems to boil down to a contest in seeing who can call each other a secondary fast enough.

After several years, I've really found it exhausting, those stupid terms have really destroyed this fandom.

Anonymous Sat, Aug 6, 2016 09:29:38 No.15644641

>>15643930
The fairy world was the realm of the dead. When someone died in one of the two worlds, they were reborn in the other.

Also, the Celts only had a proper afterlife because their ancestor was a badass called "The Dark Man" who died, beat up all the natives in the other world and forced them to yield land to him.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Aug 7, 2016 19:34:33 No.15651998 File: 1.03 MB, 749x3147, youkais_and_villagers.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I had a little chuckle when reading these three pages.

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