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Because she does not exterminate them.

Because she's a human and she's not afraid of them. Also she doesn't seal anyone any more. And tea parties.

How sinister.

>>7026795
>Why do youkai love Reimu?
Reimu's tsundere so of course they want to open that sweet dere inside.

>>7029567
Where's the dere? There isn't any.jpg

>>7029574
You're not trying hard enough

>>7026795
Because you don't know the feeling of being loved by your enemies. Not even being loved by ANYTHING in this world, except your mom.

>>7029576
I don't save every manga page there is.

>>7026795
She doesn't have the rotten values of humans. Youkai generally like her attidue to life and other things.

Also, Nanoha-befriending-syndrome.

>>7029579
She doesn't love me either.

She's a bro and doesn't take shit from anyone.
I'm guessing Yokai like that, how humane.

>>7029608
>doesn't have the rotten values of humans

>>7029637
Fuck you, she needs to eat somehow.

>>7029637
>>7029643
she looks like she's ready as HELL to eat dick for that xD

>>7029649
Could you just stop shit-posting on a trip? I'm not even asking you to stop altogether

>her attidue[sic] to life and other things

>>7029651
why do you want him to be unfilterable? fool.

>>7029655
She wants you to put it in

They love Reimu

Because Reimu is lovely.

Reimu is lovely

Because she is loved.

You cannot be held back by circular logic in gensokyo.

There's something wrong with you (yes, even by /jp/'s standards) if you don't love Reimu.

>>7029637
Zun actually complained that she is always depicted so concentrated on money.

>>7029694
And now you've said that you have to back it up.

>>7026795
Strong Youkai like her because she treats everyone the same and they find this amusing.

>>7029637
>>7029643
she looks ready as HELL to eat dick for that xD

EoSD Manual
>She lives in her shrine and is rarely visited by anyone
Wow, so loved. Fanon of course generally rejects this, as her shrine is visited by everyone everyday.
PCB Manual
>She hates training, and because of this, lacks ability. So her skill is quite so-so.
>She hates to do her very best at anything that falls upon her.
>That is because she does not believe that effort will be rewarded.
This is why I don't like Reimu.
IaMP
>She lacks training in both melee and spells (or rather, she rarely does them), but she covers that up with the numerous talents she's born with.
She's not strong because she works hard; she just inherits power. Contrast that to my favorite character.

>>7029754
Gee, I wonder who that could be.

>>7029754
I should note that ZUN kinda changes his mind. After EoSD, he says that everyone loves Reimu and lives real close, but still no one goes to the shrine. Seems like over the course of Touhou, Reimu's gotten nicer and Marisa's gotten bit by bit more gaijin... I mean, evil.

>>7029754
Marisa is shit.

Also get that powerlevel hogwash out of /jp/

>>7029754
>This is why I don't like Reimu.
That's what I like the most about her.

>>7029763
Yeah, Reimu sure is nice in her UFO scenarios.

>>7029764
There's nothing wrong with powerlevels, shoujofag.

>>7029764
It's not about power level. That doesn't bother me. One character researches, practices, trains, and steals for her ability to deal with youkai and survive; the other has inherited the power to kick Yukari's ass because she was just born that way.

>>7029768
None of the characters are nice in their UFO scenarios.

>>7029772
So you just don't think it's "fair"? Tough. The world isn't fair.

>>7029772
So let me get this straight. /jp/ doesn't like Reimu, yet Reimu is like the average /jp/-er who sponges off of others?

>>7029770

I like lazy girls, too. I don't really mind her being a jerk, either.

>>7029785
Who doesn't love Reimu? The only people that dislike her are the samefaggin Marisa fans in this thread.

>>7029779
Don't put words in my mouth.
It doesn't have anything to do with fairness.
I'm bored of CHOSEN ONE characters of destiny who are born with their powers and have lived with having great abilities all their life. They win a battle and it's like "okay, of course they won. It's the great and powerful _____."
Someone who needs to run as hard as they can just to keep up with everyone around them is far more interesting. They're more likely to have obstacles they need to overcome with the abilities they've worked towards rather than THE POWER IS INSIDE YOUR ASS ICHIGO.
It's about what makes a good character, not what's fair from the hand of ZUN. It would be nice if he gave Marisa some good shot types once in a while, though.

>>7029785
I'm just one /jp/-er. Obviously many people here like Reimu.

>>7029785
It's because Reimu doesn't fit under any character archetype from shitty low grade harem animu the Marisafags are so used to.

>>7029788
Get back to Naruto dammit.
Who lets you idiots post anyhow, there should be some kind of QA before any post on /jp/ is posted on the server for the public eye.

>>7029786
"Lazy" is not the impression I get. For me it's more like not interested/doesn't care.

>>7029792
>>7029794
Seriously, seriously butthurt that someone doesn't like their precious miko.
She is not so superior and deep that people just can't understand her awesomeness. Get over yourselves. She's a standard main character who was given powers because. To me that's less interesting than someone who works for it.
You sound like desperate fanboys yelling "IT WAS THE WILL OF THE FORCE THAT IT HAPPEN THAT WAY."

>>7029797
That's the impression I get too. To some, that's charismatic nonchalance. To me, if she doesn't care, why should I?

>>7029797

Saying you don't care or that you aren't interested is the premier excuse used for when you're just too lazy to do anything about it.

>>7029803
The only thing I'm getting from you is vibes saying 'BAAW MY HORRIBLE TOMBOY CHARACTERS IS NOT LIKED AS MUCH AS THAT SHITTY SHRINE MAIDEN HOW DARE SHE BE TALENTED'

Get over yourself.

>>7029794
>Naruto
At least Naruto has a plot.

>>7029811
Oh God no.

>>7029809
If that's what you think I'm saying, you're not reading.
I don't care if Marisa is as liked as Reimu. I don't care if ZUN says Marisa isn't as powerful as Reimu, which I think he has said. Reimu should be powerful. I don't have any problem with that.
I don't like Reimu because she doesn't care (so why should I?) and she inherited power rather than earning it through effort. That's all. You can't deal with it.

I don't dislike Reimu, but she is a huge Mary Sue.

>>7029811

>>7029754
>>7029763
>She lives in her shrine and is rarely visited by anyone

Remember, that's EoSD backstory, way before she got all of her numerous youkai "friends". It just meant humans from the village back then.

Well, humans still don't come to visit. They have all the more reasons not to, with all the monsters constantly occupying the shrine.

>>7029820
No she isn't. Now Sakuya, on the other hand (when portrayed in fanon).

>>7029608
>>7029649
>>7029694
>>7029797

Questions abound.

>>7029819
Your acting like she wanted to inherit those powers. Its not her fault she gets them with no effort she was born that way. All you are is a butthurt Marisa fan. You need to just chill out.

>>7029763
You can easily interpret that to mean they appreciate Reimu's presence. Youkai in general can be mildly annoying to outright terrifying, so Reimu dealing with them when they hit the 'terrifying' portions gives the village(s) a good opinion of her.

But then, the youkai are constantly (at least for them) visiting her shrine. So it's logical she wouldn't get many humans visiting or donations.

On top of that, she's lazy.

Good to know that I can report all of those shitty tripfag's posts.

Thanks, mod.

>>7029835
Which one? wtH?

>>7029828
I ain't even mad.
"It's not her fault"? What the... okay... so?
It just makes her an uninteresting character.
>>7029754
>She hates training, and because of this, lacks ability. So her skill is quite so-so.
>She hates to do her very best at anything that falls upon her.
She doesn't like to work hard. She doesn't like to put effort into anything. She just doesn't care.
That IS her choice. So why should I care?
That's all. Write me off as a Marisafag, but this really has so much less to do with Marisa than with Reimu just being uncaring and unmotivated.
A character with little-to-no motivation is a boring thing.

>>7029837
He ban evaded, so he made the mod have a vendetta against him, fortunately.

>>7029842
That guy was a dork, so good riddance.

What is with all the bickering? You can say my waifu has worked hard for her powers, but she was very privileged in being a student of Mima, which in itself is a bit comparable to how Reimu inherited her shrine maiden powers.

A character that comes to mind when I think of a hard worker is Alice. As far as I know, she entered Makai alone and trained alone, and became the very powerful Mage youkai she is today.

>>7029842
QC is constantly ban evading. He has been banned and had all his posts deleted many times now. He denies it all the time though. He's just as much of a shitposter as the people who make the threads he posts in.

>Why do youkai love Reimu?
Is it the tasty cinnamon sugar swirls in every bite?

>>7029848
>My waifu
>Implying your waifu is Marisa

You have shit taste in Touhous.

>>7029848
Wrong continuity, mate.

>>7029848
Agreed that it is quite a privilege to learn under Mima, but I refute that it's the same as being born with powers.
Let's try a real-world example.
Paris Hilton inherited the Hilton fortune. From her birth, it was decided that she would be rich. It's quite clear that she doesn't care much for being a positive contribution to human civilization.
Take into consideration then anyone not born into wealth. They studied hard under good teachers. After their teacher departs, they continue to work hard every day, amassing more books than they can crack open and read. They have to be pretty ruthless to keep up with competing businesses, but in the end they amass a respectable amount of wealth.
Not that these are very accurate to the characters (Reimu=/=Paris Hilton), but you wouldn't hold them in the same esteem would you? The same interest as characters? Which has a more interesting story?

>>7029855
Thin strips of delicious miko flesh, not cinnamon.

How could anyone dislike any of the characters anyhow? They're all so quirky and cheery, I can't bring myself to dislike any of them.

>>7029855
No. It's the infinite justice in both of her sleeves.

>>7029838
Your logic doesn't follow.

Reimu doesn't care about doing X.
So, you say, why should I care about Reimu?
Because according to your logic, her not caring about doing X is comparable to you not caring about her.
But that is not true, it is only comparable to you not caring about her doing X.

>>7029855

Someone tell Flan to get out of that ridiculous outfit.

>>7029863
Marisa doesn't deserve the love she has.

>>7029863

>>7029867
No, it's because she has no motivation that he doesn't care. A character without motivation is boring to him.

Your "logic" is laughable.

>>7029869
Rumia's outfit is a million times less silly and better looking than Flandre's.

>>7029871
>>7029863
I'd let her eat me. Arcueid is a great touhou.

Are we seriously in a "my favored heroine is better than yours" thread?

Well, par for the course, really.

>>7029877
Disprove it with a logical comparison then. But since you didn't do that in the first place, I can safely assume you just can't.

It's so simple. He says "She doesn't care [about doing things] so why should I care [about her]?" See the bracketed sections? Are they the same? No, so his comparison doesn't work.

>>7029867
You're correct. Let me try to explain that in a more expanded way.
When you try to tell a story, you want your audience to engage with your characters. You want your audience to hope your character succeeds when obstacles appear.
So let's try this:
Obstacle:
>A powerful fate-manipulating vampire is creating a minor nuisance. Dragged into the situation, Reimu encounters the vampire.
Under these conditions:
>Reimu was born with the power to exterminate extremely powerful youkai
>Reimu doesn't try hard at what she's doing
>Reimu doesn't really care about what she's doing
What is my motivation for hoping she succeeds? What in her character appeals to me that I might care about her? Really, nothing. If she wins, good for her--that's the power of the Hakurei miko. She was more or less destined to win (ha, Remilia) because she had that power to begin with. The battle was decided before it started. That's pretty boring.

>>7029888
Except of course that it's dependent on the neckbeard playing the game whether she succeeds.

>>7029888

>When you try to tell a story, you want your audience to engage with your characters.

People play touhou for the story?

>>7029888
If that's how you feel about Reimu, play as Marisa and quitcherbellyachin'.

We dislike Reimu because she's a lazy, Mary Sue slut with a bad attitude.

Marisa at least tries when she kicks ass and her dialogue is far more engaging than the typical bitch Youkai exterminator.

>>7029892
I do, I don't care for the competitive plays trying to get the highest score.

Besides, you're probably going to play through it enough times for the story to be fused into your brain, at least the first half.

>>7029888
It has been decided before the games are even released that she will be victorious. Reimu goes through six stages in Ten Desires, and an extra stages with a very powerful opponent which she will defeat

you're overthinking it. Its a fun shooting game with happy little girls being cute, talking in riddles and sharing puns.

Reimu conducting an armpit symphony.

Me taking the picture.

>>7029895

>we

>>7029888
Yep, I agree, I always hated that in cartoons where the good guys had some gimmick that made them always win anyway. I mean, you already know the outcome of the battle anyway, so how is it interesting?

But yet, in Reimu's case, there can still be obstacles. She could meet a youkai who she still can't best unless she gives her all (forced to not be lazy).

>>7029892
A story is a means of conveying character; that's why it's relevant.
>>7029893
Are we so pre-conditioned to conflict that someone can't hold a contrary position without you thinking they're whining about something? I'm simply expressing my opinion of the character. People took issue with why I dislike Reimu, so I'm trying to explain it so they might understand. Is that so hard?

>>7029891
This is why Reimu as described by>>7029888 is awesome, you get the feeling that you can potentially succeed at anything playing her, but it's up to your skill in touhou if you'll win.

>>7029895
>Mary Sue
Explain how she is a MS.

>>7029888
>When you try to tell a story

Only ZUN is not trying to tell a story. ZUN is trying to make a game. This includes giving the game a story, but it's not like he particularly cares about the story itself.

You're not even supposed to be interested in PCs, too. You're supposed to be interested in the bosses. They're the ones shooting danmaku, and danmaku is what Touhou games are about. Dialogues before the fight and stories in manual are there to make bosses interesting, not to provide insight on MCs personality. MCs are expendable, really.

>>7029903
If that happens, I'll be much more interested. She'd have to overcome her hatred of putting effort into things. That's interesting.
>>7029907
If that appeals to you, great. To me, it's just boring. It's kinda like unlocking God mode in a video game. Sure, you feel crazy powerful for a while, but eventually it gets dull and you move on to something else.

>>7029903
You actually expect any hero or heroine to fail? Ever? I mean sure, there are some DEEP stories where the main character dies in the end and fails miserably.
But do you really expect touhou to try something silly like that? Even Marisa isn't susceptible to failure. She's a protagonist.

>>7029922
She cut my healing by 50%.

>>7029928
It's only 10% now, healers are invincible.

>>7029906
>Are we so pre-conditioned to conflict that someone can't hold a contrary position without you thinking they're whining about something?

Welcome to /jp/.

>>7029923
Except the fact is that the fans do care about the characters, and one of the means by which we are able to establish just what kind of person they are is by the (admittedly, minimal) context clues given in-game and the descriptions handed out from ZUN. Ultimately it is up to fans, but that's where we get a lot of our ideas and context. I don't think it's quite fair to discount the games as a means of conveying the characters, both PC and NPC.

>>7029903
>I always hated that in cartoons where the good guys had some gimmick that made them always win

Well, isn't it great how Touhou playable characters aren't good guys, then?

>>7029926
The idea is that the hero(ine) must overcome obstacles to do so. A character who does not need to accumulate power (train) and is capable of putting the smack down on the most powerful of enemies without trying doesn't really encounter obstacles, just inconveniences.

>>7029926
"Failing" doesn't have to mean permanent failure, i.e. dying. Characters can lose a battle and still win a later one.

And those stories aren't "silly", they're only silly in the eyes of people who always want Hollywood-baked cake sameplot garbage.

>>7029851

Both QC and wtH got banned today.

>Ultimately it is up to fans, but that's where we get a lot of our ideas and context.
Personally, I prefer to discard any ideas and character stories and personalities not created by ZUN himself. most fanworks to me always come off as the fan artist attempting to shove their interpretation of a character onto everyone. Sometimes they have a clear conflict with the original standing of the character.

A clear example would be how IOSYS presented Shikieiki in one of their videos. The attitude conflicts tremendously with the actual character, both in game and with what ZUN himself has said of the character.

But yes, most of the time it does end up that way, for good or bad. The best I can hope for is that they do not get too carried away, or that they at least use the canon as a heavy base.

>>7029950
The plots in Touhou are pretty ridiculous. Somebody is up to something silly, and you need to stop them. Such as feeding spring to a tree, or stealing the moon.

>>7029957
Today is a good day.

>>7029960
Well, I meant that stories where the MC fails aren't "silly", not Touhou's stories.

>>7029938
Only games aren't the means of conveying the characters. Characters are the means of conveying the game. Is it that hard to comprehend?

Do I really need to produce that quote from ZUN where he explains he wrote the backstories as means of preparing the player for the upcoming danmaku?

>>7029949
But the games aren't about the training, it's about the incidents. And then Reimu can lose, exactly because she hasn't been training enough. It's a balancing handicap.

>>7029964
I don't feel that I've been mean or rude in what I've said in this thread, but I will be here.
This post is not worthy of a response. Reconsider your views, please.

>>7029681

Because fuck Reimu's ass, then leave her for dead so we can get an interesting character in the starting lineup.

>>7029976
You are a retard.

>>7029981

>>7029978

Wait... what?

>>7029976
My long experience with trolls and their behaviour allows me to translate your post to: "I can't argue with what you said, but I don't want to admit you're right either".

>>7029992

Did I stutter?

>>7029926
>You actually expect any hero or heroine to fail? Ever?
>do you really expect touhou to try something silly like that?

Wait, of course Touhou does that. You've never seen a bad ending?

>>7029995
Alright since you pathetic little whiny "someone doesn't like my waifu" bitches can't understand this, let's get down to brass tacks.
>The characters are THE means of conveying the game, not the other way around.
Holy shit, it's almost like they're interrelated. A story can't be told without characters, and a story conveys characters. Breaking new fucking ground here.
>ZUN said he wrote the backstories (i.e. the manual) to prepare players for the danmaku ahead.
Ever opened a classic video game before? Let's talk about Zelda, eh? You open the fucking cartridge box and what do you get? Hey what's this flappy little booklet? Oh cool it tells me about Link, Zelda, Gannon, and Hyrule. Oh okay, cool. Now I'm ready to start the fucking game. How novel!
Of course he did. But you don't experience Hyrule from the manual. You gain some beginning knowledge and context from it. It helps define your starting image when you begin playing. The way you start to really identify with a character is through the game itself, both with story and by the character (you) struggling through obstacles (danmaku-spewing fairies and youkai).
The game and story contained absolutely conveys character. To believe that it is a hollow vessel carried by pre-defined characters is utter stupidity and fails to refute any point I've offered in this thread.

>>7030004

You're answering a question that I didn't ask so I thought maybe you were replying to the wrong post. Also, I did understand what you said but I couldn't fit it in the context of my post because of the way you had phrased yourself.

Here's Reimu with a tiger.

Nice touch.

>>7030012
>pathetic little whiny

Hi, pot.

>A story can't be told without characters, and a story conveys characters. Breaking new fucking ground here.

A story is not the game, silly. Danmaku is the game.

>backstories (i.e. the manual)

Wrong. I.e. the manual, the dialogues, the setting, everything.

I kind of appreciate you warping my words instead of quoting them verbatim, it makes it easier to figure out which part you misunderstood.

>>7030066
ZUN confirmed for master artist once again.

>>7029958
I don't like people like you, who treat canon as some holy bible that is always superior to all outside interpretation. ZUN is not the master of the art of writing. Many people have made better stories than he has using characters from his series. I hate this stupid "canon good, fanon bad" mentality. It shows you don't have the ability to determine the quality of a work by yourself and have to fall back on rigid objective measures such as those.

>>7030106
>waaaaah, I dun liek people with different opinions/views

sure is closed mind in here

Doesn't Yukari canoncally win her danmaku battle? AND the scheme she hatched against that divine in SWR?

Reimu and Marissa don't really win all the time, yo.

>>7030116
He's only closed-minded about closed-mindedness though.

>>7030106
Careful, you're showing your entitlement whining on how your fabulous youtube vidyas and grimdark SDM interpretations will never be taken as canon by Zun.

>>7030131
If you think that _anybody_ thinks that grimdark Gensokyo will ever be canon, you're even more delusional than these hypothetical idiots.

>>7030127
I thought the complaint was "player character wins all the time", not "Reimu and Marisa win all the time", because obviously they don't, see IN, PoFV, DS, fighters, Fairy Wars...

>2) So that they can fight the shrine maiden for the lols.

>>7030106
Well, ZUN created the characters entirely, I do not mind if someone adds a little bit to the character, as interpretation of what is already canon can be seen in a few different ways. But if you're going to bastardize the entire character, you could just make up your own character instead of trying to change one that someone else already created.

What I'm trying to say is, it is ZUN's characters, so what he says does go. If you want your own interpretation of a character, go make up your own and stop trying to change what he made.

There is no need to attacking me personally either, I am quite aware ZUN is not the master of writing too. That is why there is more than just Touhou that I can entertain myself with.

They even have a 3 player snes.

>>7030168
Right, for the lolis. She has a stash of attactive children just aching to provide oral sex to the youkai that beats Reimu.

>>7030097
Is it my imagination or does Reimu look more and more seihou-like?

>>7030171
Derivatives have a very strong culture in Japan, and that is a Good Thing, because it enriches the creative scene.

>>7030182
I think ZUN does some stuff for Seihou so it wouldnt be a surprise if it looks similar

>>7029787
I don't like Reimu and I'm not a Marisa fan.

>>7030171
It's not like ZUN has ever written anything concrete and not subject to interpretation. It's like he wants to be vague by design, I wonder why.

>ZUN is not the master of writing too

But he is. CoLA and the Fairies manga, at the very least, are nothing short of brilliant.

It's like you are actually on /B.

The Hakurei Maiden emits a pheromone that arouses youkai.

>>7030228
from her armpits

>>7030214
>CoLA

ZUN is best when writing from the viewpoint of a man.

A shrine maiden loved by youkai.

An armpit is the best kind of a cavum, along with an archenteron!

Anyone who says Reimu is a Mary Sue clearly doesn't play Touhou or, more likely, is far better at it than I am.

>But he is. CoLA and the Fairies manga, at the very least, are nothing short of brilliant.

I actually prefer Reimu's lackadaisical attitude. If you start with
>Reimu should be lazy
and
>Reimu should be able to solve all the incidents
then a good method would be "Reimu should be naturally talented".
Wouldn't make sense for Reimu to train hard to hone her powers if she's lazy.

>>7030257
My exact reaction to that sentence.

I mean... just, wow.

>>7030171
I am attacking you personally, because your tone pisses me off. Especially something like:

>so what he says does go
That means you think anything he has decided on is automatically good and he can never make an error.

I wouldn't give a shit if someone took the Touhou characters and changed their personality in their own story entirely. All that matters is if those characters in THAT story with those personalities work for THAT story, then it's good.

>>7030351
In the chaos of thousands of doujins, the only character interpretation we can all agree upon is the canon one. That doesn't necessarily mean it's the best one, or even a good one, but it carries the weight of authority.

>>7030363
Yes, but a good story can establish new personalities for existing characters. It's all a matter of having an open mind to different character interpretations for the reader.

>>7030375
>establish

No, it cannot and should not.

It can give them different personalities for the duration of the story. No longer.

>>7030375
That's great--for you--but for everyone else who didn't read that alternate interpretation it's useless to have a discussion based on it. I enjoy the the Sakuya-Remilia dynamic where Sakuya is constantly attempting to kill Remilia, but it's pointless to start a discussion on it--unless it's also a discussion about that particular story.
What is this thread about again?

>>7030375
I don't mind if you play with the characters in order to tell a story, but don't expect that to become the authoritative interpretation. To do so is lunacy.

I didn't expect this thread to get this big.

>>7030400
Yes, that is what I said.

>>7030406
So you read stories only with the intention of discussing them? Frankly, I hardly ever discuss stories I read. I read them for my own amusement, although discussing stories I liked with like-minded individuals would be nice (however this is in practice never possible on the internet anyway, because boards you go to that center around the topic have always already discussed what you read ages ago and when you try to start a discussion people will just say "hurr slowpoke" and that's that).

>>7030424
Well, I agree with that. But everyone else should be free to pick up some person's fanon interpretation and work from there.

Like, if someone took bkub's Chen and made fancomics with that. Although bkub doesn't really alter personalities, he just makes extreme versions of them.

>>7030440
I believe character interpretations taking on lives of their own are a dangerous thing. There's nothing to stop you from making a story with a similar interpretation, but don't expect your audience to be familiar with it.

>>7030127
I'd really want to see your source on this.

Reimu is the strongest character, she could kill everybody else combined.

>>7030501

People are just jealous of Based Reimu.

>>7030351
What he has decided could be complete trash, and it would not matter. It was his character. This "creating your own interpretation" is just silly, just make up your own original characters if you want to do something like that.

>>7030709
The entire doujin of universe of Touhou exists because people decided to add their own contributions to canon.

The one that's not going to die a horrible, horrible death or be really fucked if lives.

>>7030709
>It was his character.
ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL

>>7030715
That didn't make very much sense. Let's just pretend that sentence was in English for a while.

It's kind of messy, the spellcard rules make it impossible for characters to kill each other in danmaku, to which all battles starting from eosd are forced to be like the most technical game mechanics don't really apply so don't bring that crap in.

>>7030719
>Don't take them! Don't take them!

What's with you people.

Touhou's story is a big fat joke as said by its creator (and it's clearly noticeable), Reimu's a parody of the big strong heroic heroes of heroic honor who fight for the good, she's just a person who doesn't give a damn about anything, and that's why she beats everyone (mostly), of course you can always say that ''hurr durp plot armour'' but that won't help for shit, it only means that she really is that strong.

The common sense that people in the outside world have of a ''valuble person with admirable attributes'' doesn't apply in Gensokyo, which means that you can't throw your shit at any character because you aren't ZUN. Reimu beats up people because they bother her, she wouldn't give one damn if all they did was just use a parasol instead of blocking the sun, learn what a demonic tree has inside before trying to free it, search for aid inside the realm you just went into instead of stealing the moon, not give a damn about flowers, stop being a god who believes she has the right over things because of her status, don't blow the earth and buddhism is a shit religion.

>>7030715
I have just added hair to Charlie. Schulz was just not the best artist, so he could CLEARLY not draw hair. Charlie is also a vapid rapist and his catchphrase is now "chea' man" instead of "good grief".

Yeah I could do something stupid like that, but I might as well build my own characters rather than messing with someone else's if I'm going to alter them that much.

I never have, and likely never will understand the appeal of altering another persons work without their consent.

>>7030739
>it only means that she really is that strong

No, it only means she has unlimited retries.

No, seriously.

>>7030776
1. ZUN obviously consents.
2. Looks like Touhou doujins are not for you.

>>7030853

Failed runs are non canon continuities. In canon she beats the game first try.

>>7030776
Peanuts loli rape where?

The reason why azns are less ashamed of their waifu collections than in the west is because parents like it when their son shows an interest in girls-having a son with 200 pictures of hatsune miku his bedroom, to the parents, just means he's got women on his mind and will likely end up producing grandchildren once his life reaches that point lol where he starts socializing with women openly and dating. Touhou's story is a big fat joke as said by its creator and it's clearly noticeable, reimu's a parody of the big strong heroic heroes of heroic honor who fight for the good, she's just a person who doesn't give a damn about anything, and that's why she beats everyone mostly, of course I can always say that ''hurr durp plot armour'' but that won't help for shit, it only means that she really is that strong.

>>7030871
And how did you draw that conclusion?

>>7030776
>without their consent.
Why does this matter so much to you? It's not like it makes a difference either way, the original artist has no obligation to take up the changes.

Have to laugh at you taking this so seriously you have to make your own examples to prove your point. Are you by any chance a /co/ nerd arguing day and night over what is really "canon" Spiderman and what isn't?

Only in America is parody seen as a slight to the original works. Not to mention illegal. Parody, various interpretations, slight changes to the originals in the vast majority of other cultures is seen as a compliment rather than an insult. Why do people get so insulted when their view of some work is interpreted in another light? Why can't they just accept that it is different and move on? Must people always try and change the other party's opinion? "Stick with what you like, and I will stick to what I like, since we cannot abolish one another's source of enjoyment."

>>7030919
Because then there would be the awkward situation where every character says the exact same thing to you over and over, use your head.

>>7030871
Actually, no, not really.

>That is kept on until the Miko finally wins, and plays end up once the battle finishes.

This is somewhat awkward translation from the wiki, but yes, it basically means that Reimu repeats the game until she wins.

>>7030925
Because you are riding on somebody else's coatails instead of doing any work of your own. So you get Touhou Tetris, Touhou Mario Brothers, and Touhou dickgirl porn instead of doujin circles actually doing something original for once.

Why does this matter so much to me? I'm convinced that we need to understand consequences. Too gross/pathetic for /b/ or /soc/ (or any other board for that matter) post it here.

>>7030924
No I've never been in /co/.
>>7030925
Because originality is viewed in a higher light than mimicry. No one is trying to change anyone's opinion, both sides are expressing their view on it.

>>7030947
>until the battle finishes
>battle

You can't read very well can you?

That's my belief; Right; it's because originality is viewed in a higher light than mimicry; I believe you. You wonder how homelessness is viewed in japan. >2) His opinions sucks.

>>7030947
If you actually read the context you'd know that it refers to the series of battles the miko has to do before reaching the mastermind of the incident.

Also ''kept on until finally'' doesn't explicitly mean retries anyway.

>>7030962
I'm sorry I don't quite understand what you wrote. Why would the homeless in Japan be of any consequence to me?

The common sense that people in the outside world have of a ''valuble person with admirable attributes'' doesn't apply in gensokyo, which means that I can't throw my shit at any character because I am not zun.

>>7030969
Except the Japanese word used there does explicitely mean "retry".

>>7029888
Because Touhou is a silly game. So of course the main character is humorously lazy.

>>7030952
I see no problem with this if people are enjoying what is produced. If someone is enjoying the Touhou Mario Bros. more than both Touhou and Mario Bros. themselves, they can (and should) thank and respect both of the originals, because without the originals they would not have ended up with a product that they enjoy.

Exactly; The reason is, touhou is a silly game; I believe you. >It was his character.

>>7030997
So you're saying that >>7030929 happens?

And even if you're not lying, it doesn't say that it has ever happened, the one time we see Reimu doing her things is the one time she has attempted it, unless everyone has amnesia.

>>7030952
If they made it with their own characters you wouldn't pay it a second thought.

>>7031075
Yeah, because then it would be seen as the shit it is rather than selling because "TOUHOU!!!"

Just another case of an artist not being good enough to publish his own works, so he leeches off something more popular. Its already ingrained in their culture with things like comiket, where even the music is blatantly copied now, so it cant be helped.

>>7030952
Everything is better with Touhous. Everything.

>>7031098
You mean worse.

>>7031108
Let me give you a visual illustration.
Baseball + Touhous = better.

Someone thinks they're gonna progress in /jp/ with a massive hate for Touhou.

Heh heh heh.

>>7031114
Looks equally shitty as regular baseball to me.

>>7029957
HELL no we didn't...

>>7031114

Not even Touhou can make me like the 49ers.

>>7031116

>>7031098
I despise anyone who applies this mentality to anything.

This is why.

We are not unreasonable or intolerant people. We are your neighbors and friends and relatives. We are completely normal people who live completely ordinary lives except for one thing --we cannot understand the attraction or value of sports. Don't misunderstand us -we believe in fitness and staying healthy. There's nothing wrong with a neighborhood softball game or shooting hoops in the driveway. But we think there is something wrong when people base their lives on the outcome of a game. We think there is something wrong when grown men collect baseball cards and are willing to pay for the opportunity to watch other people play and have fun. We think there's something wrong when people think we're unmanly or not a true patriot because we don't follow sports! And we especially think there's something wrong when our favorite show is interrupted for a *&@!^%$#@!! sporting event!!!
+Sports and starwars suck in general
go 2 HELL

Bump.

>>7031166
Yes bumb a shitstorm.

Reimu is a power forward

"White tengu can't jump"?

People enjoy reading more stories with characters they know and are attached to.
The artists on the other hand get popular characters with pre-established personalities that they can put into their own works.
Even shitty plotless porn can leverage the reader's emotional bonds to the characters.
It's a win-win.

>>7030925
>>7031210
Best posts in this thread. Thanks for putting it better than I could.

Touhou 1: Reimu goes on a genocidal rampage.
Touhou 2: Reimu seeks revenge for Mima's revenge for Reimu's previous rampage.
Touhou 3: Reimu interferes with academia and scientific progress.
Touhou 4: Reimu kills a youkai who tried to help her.
Touhou 5: Reimu orphans Alice and destroys an entire world for its creator's belief in free enterprise.
Touhou 6: Reimu places a little girl under house arrest.
Touhou 7: Reimu prevents an innocent girl from being revived.
Touhou 7.5: Reimu breaks up parties.
Touhou 8: Reimu strips away Gensokyo's defenses against a Lunar invasion.
Touhou 9: Reimu attacks people for no good reason.
Touhou 10: Reimu oppresses other religions.
Touhou 10.5: Reimu endorses slave labor.
Touhou 11: Reimu cuts back funding for alternative energy sources.
Touhou 12: Reimu persecutes Youkai Jesus.

Touhou 4: Marisa feels like kicking ass, hopefully before Reimu does it first.
Touhou 5: Marisa feels like kicking ass.
Touhou 6: Marisa is bored, and then starts feeling like she should kick some ass.
Touhou 7: Marisa is cold and wants to kick some ass.
Touhou 7.5: Marisa wants to party and kick some ass.
Touhou 8: Marisa wants to kick some ass with Alice watching.
Touhou 9: Marisa was bored.
Touhou 9.5: Marisa wants to kick some slutty tengu ass.
Touhou 10: Marisa is curious and wants to kick some ass.
Touhou 11: Marisa wants to explore and kick some ass, impressing Alice, Patchy, and Nitori.
Touhou 12: Marisa also likes treasure but must kick ass in order to get it.
Fairy Wars: Marisa held back for the fairy sake

>>7031075
And a lot of Touhou fans play Scarlet Weather Rhapsody but not Vanguard Princess. People who are fans of the Touhou universe tend to enjoy media that has Touhous in it. I don't see what's so terrible about this.

>>7031506

You missed TH2 and TH3 there, buddy.

>>7031491
Get your fanon shit outta here.

>>7031942
You think Marisa fags have the ability to listen? Don't even bother.

I want Sakuya back in the next Touhou game ...

Why if Reimu beats someone they call her evil but if Marisa does it they call her badass?

>>7031978
Haters and Marisa fans.

>>7031491
Goddamn I've seen this copypasta everywhere, get back to your TVTropes shit.

I'd find Touhou fans less irritable if they weren't so anal over what they seem to consider as "canon" fanon.

Even imply that a character doesn't line up to their supposed true personality and people flip their shit. Then again, I hate just about every touhou fan on /jp/, since they're secondary scum.

I left this thread 8 hours ago. Give it up, Mikofags, you're fighting thin air.
Apparently, according to >>7031345 boredom, nonchalance, and disappointment are all moe qualities. Whodathunkit.
Keep licking armpits. Its your... um... right as fanboys. Your miko will be in every game, doing her thing, and as long as you're addicted to that wonderful bored-yet-special-just-because quality about her, you'll be happy.
I still don't like her, and have no reason to like her. I'll be playing the other characters in Ten Desires. What a crime.

>>7032252
You're the one that started the whole scandal when all anyone did was ask your reasons and you took it as some kind of attack. People don't give a damn about the preferences of other anons so stop thinking you're privileged or something.

Obviously not everyone will like the same character but you keep thinking people want to force it otherwise.

>>7032328
Seems like he just can't accept any character that's not a genkishit haruhi clone.

No worries, he'll grow out of liking a single archetype like most do.

>>7032340
Its like arguing with a wall, when talking to that guy. He hates Reimu because she inherited her powers.
I'm mean I don't care if her hates her but the reason he has is just so fucking stupid. That's like me saying I don't like Marisa because she a thief or because she steals spells.
Anyway hope we can have some good Reimu threads in the future without this faggot butting in with his nonsense.

>>7032328
>thinking it was some kind of attack
I was not, contrary to popular opinion, upset that someone disagreed with me or questioned why I would dislike Reimu. I'm posting in a "we like Reimu" thread anyway. But I can certainly see why seeing things as an attack would be unreasonable:
>Marisa is shit.
>Also get that powerlevel hogwash out of /jp/
>Get back to Naruto dammit.
>Who lets you idiots post anyhow, there should be some kind of QA before any post on /jp/ is posted on the server for the public eye.
>The only thing I'm getting from you is vibes saying 'BAAW MY HORRIBLE TOMBOY CHARACTERS IS NOT LIKED AS MUCH AS THAT SHITTY SHRINE MAIDEN HOW DARE SHE BE TALENTED'
>Get over yourself.
You know, the usual, placid even-minded queries that I was totally unreasonable about. Y'know with my "I see why you think that, but here's why I don't like Reimu with evidence from ZUN's manuals..." That shit doesn't belong here.
>>7032340
>Implying Marisa is the only character/character type I like. My dislike of Reimu is not Marisa-based, contrary to what you've apparently thought for the past 9 hours.

Don't play dumb, as soon as someone asked you inmediately acted like it was a threat to your preferences. Also this was just a Gensokyo debate thread until you came in, stating your opinion wouldn't make you a public even in a Reimu praise thread anyway.

Please stop talking like a pompous classy schmuck wannabe, /jp/ doesn't like that kind of people, regardless of their opinion.