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PC-98

Right. I like the boots, the capulet + exposed arms, bigger tits. non frizzly hair, darker dress color, and the cute bowtie for her the ribbon around her waist. Even the hairband looks better.

Left is cuter.

That said, some of the secondary depictions have appeared on canon material (blue eyes in PCB and GoM, frilly hairband in IN, boots on the fighters).

You know it's an Alice thread when the only choices you're given are Alice or Alice. Nice try, Alice!

>>16668957
I pick the one true alice

>>16668957
I like ICG and ALC

>>16669025
the one true is neither and actually leans a little more to the right, very little

Sure in PCB she's antagonistic, but it's an incident, everyone is. She's mostly just a weird but surprisingly nice recluse. A little weirdly tsundere toward Marisa in IN, though (she even blushes). That, however, was enough to start a fire.

>>16669125
Stop lying. She killed her own group for unlimited power.

>>16669025
An SMT reference does not constitute a personality.

>>16669025
LOOK MA I POSTED IT AGAIN!

What's with all the Alice threads lately?

Also, titty Alice best Alice.

>>16669025
>>16669125
>>16669769
I know it's probably bait but that image still annoys me whenever I see it, because whoever made it is more secondary than the people he's referring to if he's being serious

>>16668957
I like the shovel one.

Left Alice is the real Alice. The right Alice is for secondaries.

>>16669025
The one on the right was only one rping faggot

Left's hairstyle with right's outfit. Done.

>>16668957
left with right's boobs

>>16672834
>>16672849
This.

>>16668957
that's me on the left

Alice is ugly. I'll choose Shanghai Doll instead.

I am a man who searches for truth. Only the original Alice would suffice.

>>16673002
Yeah,I like the original Alice from PC-98 too.

I wish I was Alice so that I'd have such a nice mom...

>>16668957
lewd alice

>>16673163
Alice's mom doesn't give a shit about her. Even Byakuren, who probably spent a good chunk with her didn't go to Alice's house and say "your mom misses you and loves you very much".

>>16668957
I choose the left alice and slap the book out of her hands and into the mud!

As she kneels down to pick it up I'll place my boot upon her good for nothing back and send her into the same puddle face first!

>>16677494
God bless Michiking

Right with left's clothes in the closet.

Is Alice the 2hu most likely to post on /jp/?

>>16671799
post evidence

>>16677502
Alice is an adult, anon. Shinki can't go around bothering her just because she's her mom. She also has a whole dimension to rule over, remember?

>>16668957
Left's dress, hair and eyes + right's colors, shoulders, hair band and shoes

>>16677736
That would be Kaguya or Hatate

>>16668975
My nigga.

>>16668975
>>16673013
>>16690948
Y'all have good taste. I can't say I like any of Alice's later redesigns, but I think her PC-98 design is adorable.

>>16691067
Why? It's not even an original design since it's just SMT Alice (straight from ZUN's mouth). You may as well just say you prefer SMT Alice over Touhou Alice and leave at that.

Alice having blue eyes has basically been fan-wanked into true canon, though.

Right.

>>16692479
Alissa is mathematically smart as this (like Ran) or is this just bullshit to inferiorize the protagonist?

>>16692658
>Alissu
Sorry for the typo

>>16692479
Alice never said "bitch" in the original dialogue, neither did Marisa later on. This is a perfect example of how translators taking "funny" liberties can warp how the source material is perceived.

More recent translation here: https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Imperishable_Night/Story/Magic_Team%27s_Scenario

>>16692479
>"Bitch get out of the way!"
how to instantly disregard someone's characterization of Alice

>>16669025
Alice is a nice person though, helps shelter wandering lost travelers in the woods, and performs puppet shows for the village kids. People just find her weird and her puppet home unnerving.

She just really likes fighting, probably enjoys sparring more than anyone else in the cast.

>>16692788
>>16692803
>Alice apologists spreading disinformation

R O K I Alice

>>16692664

*arissu

>>16668957

>>16692479
If right isn't Alice, then what is she? A cosplayer?

I love Alice so fucking much

>>16669025
I prefer left-side Alice, if only for the fact that I hate generic, anime/manga non-personalities like the ones on the right. The design on the left is really good too, looks powerful and is right up my alley since I have a femdom fetish.

However, the Touhou universe according to Zun is whimsical, even when serious matters are dealt with. Mature language and themes never occur, and all the threats of murder and cannibalism are just banter between the girls.

98-Alice is cute as hell. It's a good thing Shinki isn't actually her ma or I'd be looking at some divine punishment.

>>16693652
I was going to post "I love fucking Alice so much" along with an Inuzuka Bouru illustration, but my heart melted while looking at my Alice folder. I can't lewd her, she's just too cute.

>>16692658
joke


head

>>16693829
I was going to die without understand the joke!

>>16692803
I don't think the translaters are wrong at all. In the first sentence, Alice says: "邪魔だ、そこをどけ!"
>邪魔だ
(adj-na, n, vs) hindrance; intrusion
>そこ
(n) there (place relatively near listener)
>を
(prt) indicates direct object of action
>どけ
(v1, vt) to put something out of the way; to move (something, someone) aside

Then Marisa repeats what Alice said, but with a little difference: "さぁ、そこをどきな"
>さぁ
An exclamation/interjection expressing the speaker's intention to invite or press the other person to perform an action.

In the end, Alice stills speaks bad of Reimu, but with a more gender neutral word. The translation could be "Idiot! Step aside", though.


References:
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Imperishable_Night/Story/Magic_Team%27s_Scenario#Stage_4_Uncanny
https://translate.google.com
http://www.romajidesu.com/dictionary/
https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/14922/what-does-%E3%81%95%E3%81%82-saa-mean

>>16693791
>It's a good thing Shinki isn't actually her ma
what

>>16694174
You do realize there's a difference between what you say there and outright calling someone a bitch, right

>>16694437
It's English. Cursing is casual. Bitch isn't some horrible curse word you'd say to your worst enemy or anything.

>>16694174
>I don't think the translaters are wrong at all.
Yet you literally prove yourself wrong in the same post.

>>16694585
Who the hell raised you? Your understanding of words is so fucked

>>16694593
See? You just casually said hell like it was nothing.

>>16694585
"Bitch, get out of the way" is a harsh thing to say, even if used jokingly against a friend. It really sticks out since mature language never occurs otherwise in Touhou, and more recent translations have corrected it to "You, get outta my way!".

>>16668957
I pick Shanghai!

>>16694668
>mature language never occurs otherwise in Touhou
Because of that 1 to 1 idea of translation. There aren't really many things in Japanese that would truly translate to curse words in the same way English would use them, so it makes people want to write without them, like everyone is a 5 year old or something.

>>16694663
I'm pretty sure that wasn't "casual", (s)he just told you off for being stupid.

Do you have autism?

>>16668957
>Which one?
The one who will let me impregnate her

>>16694585
And cursing is not casual in Japanese, so it was not Alice's intent to call Reimu that.

>>16694676
The opposite of 1 to 1 translation would be localization, and believe it or not, it seems like you're the one here having a hard time fully grasping how that works.

Even if curse words often are used more casually in the English language than in Japanese, the tone and context of the original Japanese dialogue would still have to motivate localization into such harsh, English words as "bitch". We'll get back to that after also explaining this:

You have to understand that there's a big difference between the foul, "casual" language we use here on 4chan and in everyday life, and the kind of "casual" language you see in books, games, movies and other forms of entertainment. Words carry a lot more meaning in the latter cases, and the harsher ones are therefore usually saved either for shock effect, or when we want to set an uncensored, realistic tone. This applies to both English and Japanese.

So: Zun has created Touhou as a whimsical, dark-comedy universe which only gets serious on rare occasions. The B-bomb dropped by Alice and Marisa in IN is clearly an anomaly of translation, as neither the original words in the dialogue, nor the tone of the Touhou universe supports it. As previously stated in this thread, the translation has even been retconned in a more recent version.

>>16694676
>There aren't really many things in Japanese that would truly translate to curse words in the same way English would use them
Of course there are. You hear such phrases and attitude in anime all the time; Touhou doesn't use these. What doesn't make sense is to take such liberties to introduce profanity when the original phrasing doesn't suggest it. Touhou is not a series that uses extreme language to get a feeling across, not does it have characters whose attitudes are that extreme. It has color; it definitely isn't everyday japanese, but nothing really on that level. It's casual and down-to-earth, even when there is tension or outbursts.

>>16668975
lolice best alice

>>16694685
>Fakepooco
More like the one who will shit on your dick.

>>16694685
>Fakepoocco
More like the one who will shit on your dick.

zzz

>>16694676
>There aren't really many things in Japanese that would truly translate to curse words in the same way English would use them
Are you this fucking dense?

>>16668957
Left is canon. She only had a design change to appease to lonely weebs with a blue-eyes fetish. I refuse to take it seriously. It's like changing Marissa's eyes to blue. Utter bollocks.

>>16696431

>>16694676
I just want to add that I also agree that you're a fucking moron.

>>16693650
Right is pretty much Alice.

Makes her look a little too cute, but she's friendly and smiles a good amount. She's kind of creepy when holed up in her disturbing doll-filled house, but Alice puts on fucking puppet shows for children and guides lost humans out of the forest/even lets fairies take shelter in her home.

Now, I don't actually like Alice, but I will say she's one of the rarer "nice" Touhous in the series, first introduction in Windows not withstanding (everyone is always aggressive before a danmaku battle except maybe Kogasa). Her tsundere side that has been overblown by the fandom is also supported by canon, just hardly. Marisa also almost never pays attention to Alice, and spends most of her time with Reimu, followed by stealing books, followed by staying home to do experiments and research.

>>16668957
I prefer left. All Alices are perfect, though.

Arizu!

>>16691294
I can believe that, but I'm curious about where he said so. To answer your question, I prefer SMT Alice's simpler design to ZUN's somewhat gaudy Touhou designs.

Blue a best

>>16694676
You do realize that "You, get outta my way!" is already a pretty rude thing to say to someone, right? Even if you're not actually swearing, it comes across as rather aggressive when the normal thing to say is "excuse me".

>>16696431
I think Zun doesn't give a shit to eye colour.
It can be possible that he forgot her completely like many other characters.

>>16698047
Because she's telling Marisa to act abrasive like she usually does to get Reimu to stop blocking their path. Still doesn't mean she intended to call Reimu a bitch, because she didn't.

>>16698764
Hi Alice

>>16668957
Imagine loving dolls so much you make a doll version of your childhood self just so you can have sex with it.

>>16698898
Seems more like narcissism than doll fetish to me.

>>16668957
The right one, to produce Aryan children with

I need my Alice to have boots. She found a friend in Tenshi.

>>16699297
Oh, I forgot the pantyhose, very important.

>>16697458
Mystic Square .txts.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Mystic_Square/Translation/Other
>In any case, in Touhou Kaikidan a character named Alice appears. So what? I've been hearing the word Alice thrown around a lot these days. Well, it might just be me. This Alice character is not a clone of Esp, but rather the Alice from Roppongi(for those who know!). It's from Megami Tensei. I really wanted to use the Alice from Lupupow(from a certain unserialized publication(laugh)), but... She didn't seem to fit a shooting game, and the song... well, it's kind of gloomy. Stage 3 had that kind of feeling, but I only just made the Extra stage, so I gave her a book to hold. I got that idea from a necromancer Alice I saw in a certain fighting game at arcades recently. She's from a fighting game, but isn't she just a person in a nurse outfit that carries two giant books and turns into a rabbit once in a while? (laugh) In terms of other character names, Sara is from Sara Brownie in "[wikipedia:The Crystal Egg]", Louise is from "Serenade in the Attic", and the others are all just named whatever. I didn't want to put names that were too long into the boss demos, so naming them was kind of a pain (laugh). But, Makai's god's name is in Kanji. Hmm...

>>16699755
Well, Alice is the best girl from SMT so at least ZUN has good taste.