/jp/ - Otaku Culture

No, people who don't do real work while being filthy rich are the most powerful, like actors, celebreties and politicans

>>10330823
No, but I think people are realizing there's not many things worth slaving your life away for.

>>10330823
neet are the force of unliving

Stop posting that fakeNEET

The death of capitalism approaches

>>10330828
>real work
*farts*

Live it while you can they have your number brother

NEETs represent the future where we'll become so advanced that we'll no longer need to work.

Why haven't you found a way to avoid wageslavery without resorting to autismbux yet?
There are plenty of ways to exploit the dumb masses.

How old were you when you figured it all out? I was about ten.

>>10330903
>dumb masses.
Calling your parents that is a little harsh, don't you think?

>>10330832
One of the big things in Capitalism is achieving the desired result with the minimal amount of effort.

>>10330909
Exactly, Capitalism is, in and of itself, self destructive.

NEETs are just ahead of the curve. Automation is poised to make most jobs obsolete.

>>10330923
You still have to end up with the desired result. There can never be absolutely no effort anywhere. Everything will just be easier.

>>10330834
So stinky. :3

>>10330931
>NEETs are just ahead of the curve.
More like a dying branch. Those who are content in outdoing others and "leaving a trace" will strive forever.

>>10330943
We can have robots do the effort. Soon.

Neets are a sign of a degrading society whose morals and culture are waning. The only ways to deal with NEETs are to increase government control over the population OR to reduce government power and involvement across the board to a point where it turns into a libertarian society. I don't think the latter is feasible because polticians don't like giving up power, and I'd only be happy with the former if it's some kind of white supremacist nazi-esque style dictatorship. So basically what I'm saying is, NEETs are here to stay and their numbers will only increase.

This is more like the death of consumerism.

People are beginning to realize that it's more enjoyable to just work very little and have a simple life than to go into massive debt to get that big white house in the suburbs, get all of the other shit that you don't really need, and then work your ass off for the rest of your life.

>>10330972
Someone has to build the robots and maintain them.

>>10330982
You can't really believe this...look at all the buffoons who are paying tens of thousands for a worthless college degree and hundreds of thousands for a shitty house in the suburbs of a major city and then paying for it on credit and working their asses off for the rest of their lives to pay for it. They're everywhere. It's just "what you do".

If NEETdom were properly harnessed it would be a pretty effective tactic for protesting the current state of first world society.

But it's not being harnessed, so no one is scared of it.

>>10331000
>They're everywhere.
Which part of the world are you talking about? Tell me about the average Norwegian engineering student.

I don't get all this anti-consumerism stuff because even if I lived life as I'm "supposed" to do I don't think I could afford a house.

>>10331033
You can't afford it. You put it on credit by way of a loan. And that's how they get you to slave away for life. That's the game.

>>10331026
Not him but why did you specify engineering?

Young unemployed men in Europe have a certain tendency to join fascist or communist organizations.

>>10331033
Under traditional values, a house is something that is passed down for generations.

NEET shall change the world as Ghandi have through civil disobedience

>>10330990
Robots will do that too

>>10331121
Very funny, smart guy. It's turtles all the way down!

>>10331000

>look at all the buffoons who are paying tens of thousands for a worthless college degree

What good is it doing for them though?

This cycle has continued up until now because people were going to college and then getting jobs because of their degrees. They had nothing but good things to say about college and they passed that belief on to their children.

What about today though? Sure, I see plenty of people throwing themselves into college, but I see even more people that are either completely disillusioned or are graduating from college with one of the "guaranteed to succeed" degrees, but they still can't get a job, they're drowning in student loan debt, and just now they are realizing how horribly they fucked up.

This generation isn't going to be the generation that will give up consumerism, but they will end up raising the children who will. Our generation was raised by parents who believed that college was the path to success, but what will a generation of people who are mostly working in shitty dead-end jobs and drowning in debt end up telling their children about college?

Things are going to be completely different. The children of this generation are going to completely disregard the idea of going to college and that will be the first major blow against consumerism.

>>10331126

More like it's robots all the way down until you reach one very bored janitor-mechanic maintaining all the robot-maintaining nanobot swarms, everywhere.

>>10331053
It's a typical degree for smart and diligent youngsters. A to-be engineer needs good bottocks. Academic, cultured, affluent and networked parents are relatively unimportant. You can't say the same thing about public administration theory or financial law.

>>10331143
"God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables – slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our great war is a spiritual war. Our great depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars, but we won't. We're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off."

>>10331169
You know, I used to watch Fight Club from an anti-consumerist perspective, but watching it from a post-feminism perspective made it even more interesting.

There was this essay written by some PUA guy who explained it really well. I'll try to find it and post it.

>>10331180
>You know, I used to watch Fight Club from an anti-consumerist perspective, but watching it from a post-feminism perspective made it even more interesting.

This is why I hate Fight Club. People think it's one of those movies.

>>10331143
>What good is it doing for them though?
How do you avoid getting ruled by people who are more lazy, greedy and cruel than you?

>>10331184
Not saying it is anything deep or even special, but you can use it to put a face on many ideas that fit very well with what's going on in the film.

I've written a whole bunch of short stories and other crap, and I mean just absolute garbage, and there were always people who thought it was deep or meaningful, and had metaphors for stuff. It's almost hilarious, but that's just how some shit is.

>>10331201
>lazy
>greedy
>cruel

One of these things is not like the others...

>>10331180
Can't find the exact one, but this has the same ideas.
http://www.livereal.com/movies/fight_club.htm

>>10331184
That's actually why it's good. You can tell a piece of art is good when everyone wants to claim it.

>>10331219
Which one? Remember your childhood. If you were always the delinquent kid, you will probably have a revelation just about know.

ITT doctors and college students

>>10331229
lazy people may be greedy or cruel, but they generally do not have the drive to get to a position of substantial power (i.e. rule over people).

>>10331201

Not working is the best way. The working class has all the real power. Without workers to maintain it then the society that the rich enjoys will crumble and if the workers finally decide to stop buying all of their fancy gadgets and other unnecessary items that they peddle out to us then some of the rich people will become just as poor as the rest of us.

It's like a slave galley. You whip and punish the slaves and that's their incentive to keep rowing, but if they all just decided to stop and no amount of whipping would make them continue then the ship is just going to come to a dead stop and even with all of his power there's nothing that the captain can do.

Why can't I rule over sheeple? I want to rule over sheeple too!!!

>>10331251
>but they generally do not have the drive to get to a position of substantial power (i.e. rule over people)
Why is that?

>>10331258
>rich enjoys
Do the rich enjoy? I thought status wasn't worth the effort.

>>10331262
Because they're LAZY? Power still takes work.

>>10331258
> You whip and punish the slaves and that's their incentive to keep rowing, but if they all just decided to stop and no amount of whipping would make them continue then the ship is just going to come to a dead stop and even with all of his power there's nothing that the captain can do.

That's exactly what happened in the U.S.S.R.

>>10331292
What about the pleasure of knowing that all is well because the greedy and cruel brutes are where they belong?

The thing that truly needs to die is natalist culture, the idea that you should be getting out there and having children, that having children is a good thing. Children are one of the primary things that enslaves people to their work, to worrying about a paycheck and whatnot, so that they can pay all of the ridiculous expenses necessary to raise a child. Once that becomes unnecessary the number of NEET will increase dramatically.

>>10331319
I really have no idea what you are blathering about...

>>10331328
Natalist culture IS dying...but only for the intelligent and/or the affluent. That's not really such a good thing for the world...

>>10331328
I mean, in first world countries we're getting there. Many places are already below the replacement rate, but it's still viewed as a good thing to have children. People aren't actively defecting, I think.

WHO CORPORATE NEET HERE?

Will humanity ever go back to the simple times?

The big problem with the world today is that we just have too many people. Capitalism, communism, socialism, none of it will ever work because we have to implement it on such a large scale. It becomes very difficult to feel empathy for other people when you're just one citizen in a city of 500,000+ people that's in a country of several hundred million people. When most of the population just becomes a number to you instead of a person then it's very easy to manipulate and hurt others without feeling bad about it.

Humans are best when we're in very small communities. Small enough that you know all your neighbors, but still large enough that the community is capable of being self-sufficient. Anything more than that and it will inevitably become corrupt, just like everything we have today.

The Hobbits had the right idea. If humanity was just split up into a bunch of small rural self-governing communities like the Shire then life would be perfect.

>>10331348
If you are underachieving, why aren't you scared out of your pants because you know that sociopaths are carving their way towards influential positions all the time?

>>10331368
Primitivist, pls go

>>10331393
Those people piss me off. They sit there and whine about how we should go back to more primitive times, while using the internet, likely in a heated and air-conditioned apartment with running water, plumbing, a refrigerator, etc. Fucking hypocrites. No one's stopping you from cutting yourself off from modern conveniences and buying a farm somewhere. Have at it.

>>10331379
I wouldn't know. I am not underachieving. The post I originally responded to assumed that laziness, cruelty, and greed went together. I simply said that they did not (because usually power takes a kind of drive that exempts laziness).

>>10331399

>No one's stopping you from cutting yourself off from modern conveniences and buying a farm somewhere.

>>10331399
I browse a political forum where there's a guy like that, except he actually lives in an unheated house in a field with no electricals besides the internet. I think he has plumbing, but I'm not sure.

>>10331405
Oh, no! Not that evil corporation that uses that evil technology that has helped to feed millions and make food cheaper and safer! Heaven forbid!

You could always try to start your farm on a piece of land, assuming you can afford the land.

>>10331409
>no electrical besides the internet.

You believe this why?

>>10331416
>You could always try to start your farm on a piece of land, assuming you can afford the land.

This is what I meant. Buy some land and do subsistence farming, not buy an existing farm or something.

>>10331420
Because he's a miserable hippy fuck and there's no way he could keep it up if he lived in a nice house, I've watched him post for years. It's a small insular place and a ton of people know each other, down to profession and what they do in their off time and their real names. Half the frequent posters have met up with another poster in real life at some point.

>>10331398
>I wouldn't know. I am not underachieving.
Then all is well and we can't speak of laziness.

>The post I originally responded to assumed that laziness, cruelty, and greed went together. I simply said that they did not (because usually power takes a kind of drive that exempts laziness)
Are the ones currently in power cruel and greedy? If so, shouldn't something be done about it?

>>10331433
How does he pay for the electricity (or does he have his own power source, and if he does, how does he come by the fuel for it), and if he's in the middle of nowhere, how does he get internet? They don't run cables to the middle of nowhere, and I doubt a hippy like that could afford a good satellite dish...

>>10331437
This wasn't really what I was talking about. That's another whole can of worms.

>>10331398
>I simply said that they did not (because usually power takes a kind of drive that exempts laziness).
There's a specific term for people who are greedy, cruel and resourceful. I don't mean 'normalfag'.

>>10331465

>>10331465
Yeah, the term is "evil".

>>10331469
Nah, sociopath is what I meant. Those of them who aren't intelligent and resourceful enough dwell in prisons.

>>10331503
When I see the word "sociopath", the first thing I associate with it is the word "politician". Does that seem odd?

>>10331516
Yes. Please take care of your democracy.

>>10331443
It's not literally the middle of nowhere, I can drive ten or fifteen minutes from where I live and get to an open space. So the electricity and plumbing was probably already there. He had this similarly-minded liberal girlfriend simply made the decision that they were going to live similarly to miserable third-worlders. I think he has a camp stove, too.

I'm more worried about what's going to happen when everyone starts reaching retirement age. With most of the population too old to work and the rest of it NEETing it up, nothing is going to get done and everyone will starve/freeze to death.

>>10331574
Nah, humanity doesn't work that way. We slack off until something actually NEEDS to be done, then we do it. We're a bunch of procrastinators as a species.

>>10331574
Maybe NEETs are just retiring early.

>>10331576
I don't understand this mentality. I can see moving to the middle of nowhere to get away from crowds, but to live without running water or any kind of effective electricity or heating? That makes no sense to me.

>>10331587
I know I'm ready to retire after a distinguished career of finishing high school, smoking a bunch of weed and dropping out of community college.

>>10331597
He was a political activist. For a while he was a Berkeley student, you know, one of those types. It was a conscientious decision.

Everyone else on the forum thought he was nutty.

>>10331619
Erasing centuries of scientific and material discoveries that have alleviated suffering and toil so that you can suffer and toil like those who still have yet to acquire these material benefits? I believe that qualifies as nutty.

>>10330829
Pretty much this, the realization is quite jarring for some. That's why they try to shame you into becoming a wage slave like them. Misery is company, as they say, and nothing is more miserable that selling your lifetime for a mere pittance of a wage.

>>10331630
He was a socialist and an anti-industrialist. He wasn't a total retard, he wasn't advocating for the abolition of modern medicine or electricity, but he did want a massive scaling back of consumption in favor of an economic model that valued sustainability and community.

Also, for some people, suffering is its own reward.

>>10331000
>>10331258
This is a good point, one that most people refuse to understand.

See: Japan today. It was an enitre country built up from the ruins of WW2, on the endless hard work of the "corporate samurai" generation, and the 6day workweek. Now look at Japanese youth today. Sexless, NEETs for the most part, and generally unmotivated to toss themselves into the same grinder that their parents and grandparents were in. Then you go and have people like Shintaro Ishihara trying unsuccesfully to "shame" the youngsters into being miserable salarymen, so that they can pay for his retirement.

>>10331680

Corpse party is a pretty decent series of games.
(Hoping 2 comes out soon)

>>10331640
>He was a socialist and an anti-industrialist. He wasn't a total retard

Cool contradiction.

I think monks find value in their work, but still have a tonne of time to their selves.
Life is hard, any way you slice it. My mom always jokingly says life sucks, then you die.

What would /jp/ define as their "perfect life"?

>>10331784
Death.

>>10331597

>but to live without running water or any kind of effective electricity or heating?

It's a lot more enjoyable than you'd think. My father lives in a small cabin without any electricity or running water and it's actually very enjoyable to live up there.

I've spent about two years up there and it's really tough at first, but it's also very fulfilling. All of that fresh air and being so close to nature, most of your chores are repetitive but they're also relaxing in this very calming and meditative way.

It's not as comfortable as living with modern conveniences, but I never felt the lethargic apathy that I tend to feel when I'm back in the city. You would think that having all of the necessities of living covered for you automatically would be great, but I've found that it just makes me feel apathetic and purposeless. End up getting stuck in this hedonistic lifestyle of boredom.

>>10331784
Living in the modern world with the occupation of professional lottery winner. 10million$+ only.

Why are NEETs talking about the death of consumerism when most of you spend hundreds of dollars each month on dolls and figures?

>>10331894
Don't project.

>>10331894
Yeah if there was no consumerism, what would I do? Sit around and read a book? Fuck that. I want my internet and porn games, thank you.

>>10331894

no bully
pls

>>10331894
Why did Blacks talk about civil rights when most of them were still in Africa enslaving each other?

>>10331894
Nice statistics, Clouseau.

I'm glad we moved from gayshit to pol shit

How can I spend my day making myself faster, stronger, more skillful, and better informed if my day's time is filled with satisfying the necessities of life and my access to information is limited?

A person can be cultivated without society, but one I would value cannot.

>>10331894
Yeah and anything else you buy. There's no way even a NEET can fully escape, after all we are also just parasites that need to rely on others to live or we will die without any money or shelter. If you want you can if you just ripped all of your clothes off and ran into the forest to live a natural life but let's see how long anyone would last like that especially people here. I don't even care, just give me a good pc, a good sound system (I don't even got any figures or anything. music is my leeched money black hole), and a bunch of money for food (I mostly just a eat a bunch of basic food like rice and bread, frozen and prepackaged shit, and other junk food) and I'm happy.

>>10331970
Just steal stuff, don't buy it.

>>10331976
I would probably suck at stealing stuff but it would help if I did have that skill.

>>10331962

>making myself faster, stronger, more skillful
>if my day's time is filled with satisfying the necessities of life

These things happen simultaneously. Treadmills and weights are just the modern way of simulating traditional work since our lives are so sedentary. You don't need to work out if you live a simple life since getting the necessities of life involves a lot of physical labor and you will become skilled in whatever you're doing. Carpentry, growing plants, hunting, how to create homemade remedies for your sicknesses, tracking, etc.

Those are all skills that are far more valuable than the vast majority of things that people learn today.

I just leech off of my inheritance and plan to continue to do so for the rest of my life

>>10331143
It's funny because there are a lot less white guys going to college nowadays, and people think it's because they've given up.

It's just because college isn't worth it anymore.

>>10332021
>It's just because college isn't worth it anymore.
That shouldn't matter.

>>10332079
Why is that? Are you one of those learning idealist retards?

>>10332079
So you pay shitloads of money for things that aren't worth it? I don't understand.

>>10332130
I don't pay
If anything, at least I have access to good food and can be away from idiots

>>10332102
>Are you one of those learning idealist retards?
Yes. Are you one of those who never even attended?

>>10332130
>So you pay shitloads of money for things that aren't worth it?
Funny, isn't it?

>>10332156
>Yes. Are you one of those who never even attended?

No.

>Funny, isn't it?

It's funny and stupid, yes. You can learn in a library. There's no reason to think people should waste huge amounts of money on something that will not have a good return and that they will spend practically the rest of their lives carrying around as a burden of debt. Hence why you are a retard.

>>10331000
The only reason why I am in college is so I can get a job.

All I wante was a simple minimum wage job so I can live in a cheap apartment.

All I ever use for electricity is my computer. I rarely have any lights on in the house and I can deal without heating (I prefer cold weather over hot) so my heating bill would be quite small.

I think living like that and still being able to enjoy my hobbies is very plausible but no one would hire me so my only options were to either go into the military or go to college.

>>10332156

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1DnltskkWk

how do NEETs live with no source of income? do they have private farms to receive some source of food from? and build their own homes? and other essential needs?
do they DIY their whole life and live on bare minimums?

it's weird to imagine a NEET with internet connection and excess food (for their fatasses) and such

>>10332201
Then you don't need to go to college
All you're doing actually is delaying yourself getting a job.
Go down to your local 113 (Lineman) or 212 (Plumber). They'll not only pay YOU to learn the trade, some even have housing for you to stay at. All the old fuckers are finally dying, it's the perfect time.

>>10332192
>There's no reason to think people should
It's entirely voluntary.

>will not have a good return
How come?

>>10332229
>>10332229
yeah, but I took into account orphans, parents who don't put up with that shit, and so forth

>>10332215
Is the concept of living with parents foreign to you?

>>10332220
I might do that.

I was trying to get a job thought. But no one would hire me because I have no experience. So how in the fuck do I even get experience in the first place if I cant get a job.

I dont want a fancy car or a 16 story mansion or some shit. I just want to watch anime and play video game for the rest of my life and eating occasionally.

Thats not much to ask is it?

>>10332231
You dont see them posting then do you?

>>10332239
i dunno lol

>>10332233
Apparently it is.
But being denied isn't even the worst part.
I'm a big boy. I can handle rejection.
It's when you spend 40 hours a week looking for a job and nobody even has the common decency to tell you no, or that you're a piece of shit and they'd never employ you.

Silence is worse than ten-thousand rejection calls.

>>10332242
I don't bother looking anymore no one will ever take me into their work force even for something as simple as stock shelves. I apply to places now just to shut my mother up and I feel bad for annoying the managers so much. I'm really that retarded, I can't do much of shit for myself.

>feelio when college retards are dumb as HELL and I ain't got no fucking job man

For most people, you should only go to college if you are going to get a degree in a field that will actually employ you, such as medicine, engineering, etc. Do not go to study English, History, Humanities, what the fuck else. You will regret it.

>>10332267
>Engineering
Only if you're pulling 4.3s and studying an actually useful engineering.

Hint: It's not Aerospace or Computer engineering.

Why? Engineering is flood city, worse than law, yeah it culls idiots real good but it doesn't mean much when you have billions of idiots banging at the doors, a couple hundred thousand are bound to get through, and at that point, the victor is the one who worked himself to death to get a job or had an inside track.

What's worse is that as you climb the ladder in the Engineering field, you will be doing less Engineering and more pointless managing, so you have a degree that does fucking nothing.

So my advice to you, prospective Engineers, is work yourself to the bone to get a job, and when you get there, pretend you're an idiot so you can keep doing actual motherfucking engineering and not petty office politics and people management.

>>10332233
Honestly I want to do the same thing you're doing. I review what I actually want in life and what does it come to?

An apartment or small house to myself with the basics - bathroom, kitchen, one bedroom. Other then that, what do I want? Food, electricity, internet, basic furniture and of course the electronics I have now.

Is it really necessary to spend the next 40 years working in order to fund that kind of lifestyle? I should hope not.

As far as I'm concerned, once I graduate with a masters in EE, I'm becoming a NEET as soon as possible. I'll need considerable savings to fund it, but It's better than working until I die.

>>10332286
>to death to get a job or had an inside track.
This

most of the time the jobs you get are usually because of the people you know. I fucking hate that since I dont know any one

>>10332220

>Go down to your local 113 (Lineman)

I am a lineman for the county and I drive the mainroad.
Searching in the sun for another overload.
I hear you singing in the wire.

I can hear you through the whine.
And the Wichita Lineman is still on the line.

I know I need a small vacation, but it don't look like rain.
And if it snows that stretch down south won't ever stand the strain.
And I need you more than want you.

And I want you for all time.
And the Wichita Lineman is still on the line.

(Lead, then Repeat last chorus)

Are a bunch of shut-ins who would die with their mommies and autism bucks a threat to the world?

I'd say no.

I want to be a NEET photographer and take pretty pictures that I can sell on the internet to stock photo sites.

>>10332338
Well look at japan neets a re a big problem over there. They refuse to date and have sex and make children and because of that their population is slowly declining.

>FUCK CAPITALISM!!!

I didn't know /jp/ was filled with teenagers from le reddit.

>>10332346
No, NEETs are a minority of the population. Withdrawing from the dating scene isn't specific to shut-ins.

>>10332350
It's just called Reddit, not le reddit.

>>10332350
Socialism predates Reddit.

>>10332363
You're right, there are historical examples of its failure that took place long before le reddits creation.

>le feel when living in Scandinavia, going to a capitol city uni, dropping out with a good GPA because why not and and continuing life as a NEET on unemployment subsidies while my American NEETbros spend every day in fear like soviet ukazniks

>>10332365
You are, of course, correct.

The appearance of socialists on the internet also predates Reddit.

>>10332350
Because wanting the status quo to change makes you le edgy redditor.

>>10332362
It better not fucking be. I want my japanese to have sex and create pur ebreed japanese again and repopulate their wonderful country. I dont want japanese to be extinct.


If this shit gets serious enough. I will capture a pretty japanese boy and a pretty japanese girl and lock them in my basement and force them to mate until they have ample amount of japanese children then I would send them back to japan and I would repeat the process over and over until their population is stable again.

>>10332373
l'edgy*

>>10332372
But it's their current #1 hangout spot.

>>10332373
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SwKxUz7osM

>>10332371
>ukazniks
hw d u prnoince that

>>10331416
Are you of Jewish descent perchance?

>>10332379
>their

Anti-capitalists are no more part of a hivemind than capitalists.

>>10332381
Rhymes with "napkin."

>>10331894
I firmly believe that people who buy figs are just a loud minority. I dislike having physical possessions around. Minimalism is appealing for many reasons.

>>10332398
>Anti-capitalists are no more part of a hivemind than capitalists.

Middle to upper-middle class, white males of college age who have never actually taken an economics class? That's pretty hivemind. There's a reason that people from former socialist countries are the biggest supporters of capitalism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD5luu_UTzc

>>10332381
oo-kaz-nick's

"the punished"

>>10332413
>the workers in North Korea get paid a decent wage compared to South Korea!

Jesus christ.

>>10332413
I got a kick out of the anti-capitalists in the beginning who were storing their shit in Amazon boxes.

>>10332427
While surfing the internet on their laptops and apple phones.

>>10332427
Good eye.

>>10332413
>Middle to upper-middle class, white males of college age who have never actually taken an economics class?

Woah it's almost like that very same description could be applied to almost every self-described capitalist as well. Weird

>>10332375
can someone please reply to thy. I put alot of thought into this and i think it is a perfect solution

>>10332435
Wrong again, bud. Socialists are a tiny minority of college kids who have never experienced real life and take comfort in utopian delusion. Capitalists are the majority of every first world country. Go ahead and name a single first world country where the means of production aren't in private hands.

I'll wait.

>>10332438
Realistically what is going to happen is that the Japanese government will likely start to heavily tax people who do not have children (or the inverse) and create other incentives for people to have children.

Why aren't there places in the world where I can move and just be left alone?

Everyone always says, "If you don't like the country then leave" but can you show me a single spot on the planet that is not owned by someone? They would even own Antarctica if they were legally able to. What if I want to leave and live off on my own? Create my own shelter, grow my own food, hunt for animals, have no outside assistance when I get sick or injured, etc.

It's not possible. Just to live like a hermit that is in theory completely disconnected from society you still need to be a citizen of the country, buy the land, pay the taxes, get permits whenever you want to build anything, and to get the money for any of this you will need to work.

There's just no escape anymore.

>>10332442
Finland in the early 80's.

>>10332452
try america land of the free

>>10332442
I don't understand why you assume that the people who don't see Capitalism as end-game are automatically socialists. I personally do not identify myself as being 'for' anything.

I'm not even american and yet I get linked to some american protest that I never did care about and never will care about? Seriously why don't you go and find someone who better fits your mental description and 'challenge' them.

>>10332442
Nah, I'll just give this one to you. I don't really feel like arguing politics outside of /pol/.

Congratulations. Rather than seeking a meaningful dialog with someone with differing opinions you chose to attempt to start a shit-flinging contest.

>>10332438
Good job. Nice idea.

But if we're not going to be role-playing as awkward /jp/sies with funny things to say, I have a person I am in contact with from high school who is one of those blind weeaboos who still thinks Japan is the ideal country to live in. One day, he brought up a set of statistics that outlined the population decline of the Japanese people. He was very disturbed by this, and I was puzzled as to why he thought that way. I tried asking him why it's a bad thing, and he said that he doesn't want Japanese people to go extinct. That, obviously, would never occur as long as hardcore nationalists exist, even if they are few in number. It's just such a ridiculous notion. And you know, those that have the slightest trace of intelligence (or the ability to put their emotions second), will agree that a lower amount of people on the planet is optimal.

You don't have to worry Japan's population. The lesson learned here is that the only people afraid of this are either unintelligent, emotion-centric, or just nationalists. Maybe a combination of all three!

>>10332463
>Go ahead and name a single first world country where the means of production aren't in private hands.

Aren't, as in currently. Please don't make me wait much longer, I have doujins that need reading.

>>10331371
I homuhomu

>>10330823
That'd still be nuclear weapons or the banking empires goy. Besides, even if NEETs could destroy the world it'd never happen. Because they'd always do it tomorrow and it's too much work in the first place.

>>10332452
Antarctica. Nobody owns it yet.

>>10332485
Asking for facts isn't shit-flinging. Only a socialist would consider a "meaningul dialogue" as a conversation devoid of concrete information.

>>10332481
What are you trying to prove here? Your argument is basically "It is not currently being done, therefore it cannot be done". Try again.

>>10332479
Yes lowering the over all population of humans on earth is a good thing and very much preferred but it needs to be in places like china or india were there is too many fucking people and raise it in other places like japan or germany so we can have balance.

>>10332493
You asked a loaded question and did so in a very stand-offish and condescending way

We should get rid of money and return to trading. I'll give you two deer hides for an onahole.

>>10332507
What the FUCK would I do with deer hides?

>>10332507
I'd rather have a gift economy.

You can have my old onahole dude. No worries.

>>10332509
make onaholes out of them

>>10332509

Make some pants and trade it for a figurine.

>>10332501
No, I was specifically responding to the accusation the capitalist supporters are a small minority, similar to socialist supporters.

>>10332507
All money used to be was a representation of goods, in order to avoid the inevitable "I want what you have, but you don't want anything that I have" scenario.

But currently we have a fiat money system that only has value because the government says so.

>>10332512
Sounds like good business.

>>10332518
>I'd rather have a gift economy.

And I'd rather having a flying unicorn instead of a bike.

Kill 50% of the population in all first world countries.
Kill 80% of the population in all third world countries.

I have fixed the world. More than enough land for everyone, more than enough food for every where, all is peaceful.

Why are you ``neets'' arguing poltics? I think you're all just /pol/ arguing with the falseneets.

>>10332527
You have more land than me
Your religion is not mine
Your way of thinking is not mine
Your skin color is not mine
Your tribe is not mine
For this, you must die

>>10332527
Overpopulation isn't actually a problem. You aren't fixing anything.

>>10332527
We can do 25bil before it starts becoming a problem.

>>10332531

I'd rather they /pol/ it up than gay it up.

>>10332527
How do we decide who dies and who stays alive? If it's not luck-based, then the criteria would probably kill off all of /jp/, surely. Nobody here has any redeeming qualities that would be useful for society at large, besides maybe being more peaceful and less primal than the average person, but nobody cares about that.

>>10332533

>Overpopulation isn't actually a problem

The building known as "apartment" should not exist.

Cities should not exist. Just the fact that we have cities with apartments is evidence that there's overpopulation and many of us need to be destroyed.

>>10332479
>2013
>still believing malthus

Don't worry kiddo, soon you will learn that while it is true that every person is another mouth to feed they are also a pair of hands and a brain that creates.

Do you think that the fact that tokyo and soul are some of (if not the) most high tech cities in the world instead of rural villages in the us?

Urbanization, shortening supply lines and concentration of labour are essential to industrialization and the ability to churn out surpluses.

Why do you think china has been able to grow it's steel, agriculture and general manufacturing ever since adopting policies that foster urban growth?

Why do you think the united states was the leader of consumer goods production during the time when it's cities were the healthiest, compared to the current states of urban center depopulation ala detroit?

Why do you think japan was able to become the dominant pacific power and reach a standard of living equaling that of the west while mongolia didn't?

>>10332551
Yes, yes. We're on the same level.

The world is just not yet ready.

Is the sedentary NEET life finally catching up to anyone? All my years of no exercise and poor diet are going to force me to the doctor. I have chest pain, feet turning yellow, toes turning red.

Might be diabeetus or something, but I don't know yet and will find out tomorrow.

>>10332545
Why shouldn't it exist? Because you don't like it? "Oughts" do not exist in this area.

>>10332552
I hope you die, loser.

>>10332552
You should have been a healthyNEET. You had no excuse to neglect your body.

Every human being should be able to own 10 acres of land that is suitable for farming.

This is the maximum amount of humans that should live on the earth. The population should be determined by the amount of available land, not by how densely we can pack humans together in small living spaces.

Figure out how many humans can live on the planet if each human owns 10 acres of arable land and then kill off everyone else.

>>10332562
Interesting arbitrary bullshit you have there.

>>10332540
You don't give /jp/ enough credit. That time will be when the well-to-do falseNEET professionals and real richNEETs loudly come out of the closet and get out of the gas chamber line. Too bad the corporate NEET thread gets kicked out too much. You don't honestly believe the vast majority of /jp/ really are truNEET shit-on-floor types do you?

>>10332545
God damn I really hate all you malthian retards.
You completely ignored the bounties that were received from concentration of labour and are the reason why the western world has been slipping into a steaming pile of shit.

>>10332562
I think you're stupid.

>>10332562
not everyone likes to live like that

>besides maybe being more peaceful and less primal than the average person, but nobody cares about that.

If anything this is exactly what the world needs is peaceful people like us

>>10332571
>You don't honestly believe the vast majority of /jp/ really are truNEET shit-on-floor types do you?
Well, it was more plausible in 2008, but I still like to pretend everybody here is a floor-shitter.

>>10332558
Why?

>>10332560
I've been making an effort, that's why I'm going to a doctor.

>>10332585
I fap to scat if that means anything...

>>10332591
no it doesn't
normie fetish

>>10332577
>If anything this is exactly what the world needs is peaceful people like us
In theory, you're right. But the majority doesn't care about that, like I said. The only thing people would be evaluated on is their ability to produce practical results.

Think about it. If the majority was going to vote to decide whether to kill off a totally selfish person who can build a house or a very kind, selfless person who can't do anything, what do you think would happen?

>>10332599
its only normal because i am trying to spread the idea around enough behind the scenes to be considered normal now

>>10332379
>But it's their current #1 hangout spot.
Only because Reddit is the #1 hangout spot for people who are interested in anything.

>>10332413
>Middle to upper-middle class, white males of college age who have never actually taken an economics class? That's pretty hivemind.
That's most of Reddit and half of 4chan. I know many socialists over the internet who don't fall into that category. Two of them come from the former Soviet Bloc.

>>10332585
I don't floor shit, at most I have pissed in the basement sink when convenient I take care of my body by at least exercising, shaving, and controlling my eating but besides that my hygiene has went to shit. Don't care beyond taking a shower now and then, I don't smell at least.

>>10332657
>Only because Reddit is the #1 hangout spot for people who are interested in anything.

End your life.

>>10332699
>lel hating on reddit so edgy HAHAHAH

>>10332699
I meant in terms of popularity.

>>10332706
The answer to idiocy is very rarely more idiocy.

>>10332490
Yes they do. Countries own slices of Antarctica.

>>10332819
There is a slice no one has claimed yet.

>>10332836
brb

>>10332836
I'm claiming it. That slice is mine.

>>10332842
I already claimed it. See >>10332840.

>>10332847
My post appeared before yours to me.

I guess I'll be seeing you there.

>>10332850
I already came back. It's my land now, and if you try to pull anything funny, you will be sued and sent to jail.

Hello /jp/, I am from the future.

Improvements in robotics and automated production make human labor increasingly obsolete, resulting in record-breaking levels of unemployment in first world countries.

Increasingly ubiquitous communications technology ironically causes a dramatic increase in conditions such as agoraphobia and social phobia. When virtual reality technology begins to mature VR addiction also becomes a serious social issue affecting millions of people. Increased longevity results in an older more experienced work-force which can support younger generations well into their 20s.

Ultimately, government programs are able to use the improved methods of production and more capable workers to fund more extensive social welfare programs which can support a subsistence lifestyle for anyone that needs or wants it. However, the majority of people still choose to work so that they can afford larger houses, nicer cars, expensive vacations, etc.

Unfortunately this means that NEETs will eventually become the new underclass in first world countries.

>>10332942
how far into the future?

>>10332344
this post was super cute.

i want to take photographs too

>>10332942
>Virtual reality technology

You mean I can finally meet Chihaya and marry her?

>>10332942
VR will never happen.
By the time we are able to read and write to our own brains the same we do with a computer, the singularity would have happened and the world will be in a state that couldn't be communicated by the primitive forms of language used currently.
You will never meet her.

Alright /jp/, I'm going to a doctor soon to see if I can straighten myself out somewhat and hopefully get on the bux. Should I go to a psychiatrist or a psychologist? I'm leaning toward the latter because I don't want to be pressured into taking drugs, however I get the feeling the gubmint won't want to give me any dosh unless I'm taking drugs.

Powerful force akin to fat acceptance, neo-feminism and whatever diseases that are consuming the first world right now.

>>10335573
Sure, but NEETs living on a subsistence budget won't be able to afford it.

get wrekt, literal pleb

>>10335883

Definitely the psychiatrist. Just don't take the pills and then say that they didn't work. It's not like they're going to test your piss.

>>10332942
I couldn't be more inspired to do anything than I am now.

>Got hired yesterday.
>Got fired today.

Apparently being able to lift 75lbs was a requirement.

Glad to be a NEET again.

>>10335974
Keep up the good work

>>10335924
To be perfectly honest, I'm a horrible liar. I'm going because I really do feel screwed up, I'm just really uncomfortable about medications. (Especially those that deal with the psyche.)

>>10335974

DYEL?

Are there any NEETs in the thread on the bux anyways?
At this point it's the only way I'm gonna get any cash. Severe plaque psoriasis has all but numbed most of the nerves in my hands and feet and I'm ashier than a negro in Chicago on a windy day. It's not on my face or nothin' but my scalp and elbows got it pretty bad, plus I'm a fuckup mentally.

The question is
If you've got no bux
how do you go to a witch-doctor/headsrhinker to get on the bux?
It seems like another situation where you've to have money to make money.

>>10335974
So they didn't even screen you for your lifting capabilities before hiring you? What a bunch of fucking idiots.
Employers are nothing but monkeys sitting at a desk all day.

>>10336043
Look up healthcare bennies in your state. Get free insurance and use it to get a psych diagnosis, which you then use to get bux.

Alternatively you can go balls to the wall and 5150 yourself, then use that to get an interview with the SSI folks (they provide a doctor to interview you if you don't have sufficient medical evidence of your own but still seem fucked up enough to warrant it.)

NEET life forever

>>10336057
He wouldn't even have to do that. Psoriasis is covered under the Dermatitis section of the US SSI code, no psychiatrist needed (although one could be used to assess the impact of the disease on his mental faculties) if it's on his hands and feet, and has been for more than 3 months and is mostly unresponsive to treatment (Sever Plaque Psoriasis is essentially incurable and will never go away, the nerve damage is permanent as well, even immunosuppressants and light therapy will only turn the tide briefly) he has, actually, a legitimate and real disability.

>>10336048
It his fault for not reading the job description.

>>10331416
Monsanto patents seeds. When one farmer in an area uses Monsanto seed, Monsanto's patented seed can be carried to nearby farms by wind, bird, etc. Once that has happened, Monsanto sues the farm where the seed was carried. Legally speaking, the farmer is 'in the wrong'. Monsanto commonly wins these cases, leaving with the deed to the farm where their seed was found. If they don't win, the farmer is still out of business; the pesticides used by neighboring farms get blown in wind as well, ruining organic certification.

Monsanto's focus is exclusively profit; fairness is not even an afterthought.

sage for offtopic

>>10336105
Be sure to alert the FBI of this lying bigot, goyim.

>>10330823
It's like being afraid of hobbos you don't know what disease they may carry, so you keep away from them.

>>10332208
Your immediate resort to popular media to express the sentiment you were unable to convey on your own is below the post effort standards for even /jp/. The vast majority of post-secondary kids are not in fact mildly retarded, or to the degree you are suggesting unconscious of the 20k+, 4-5 year academic grind they find themselves in. The majority of us hold, probably like yourself, little to no cultural or social capital to exploit for an easy industrial in. This neutral pursuit for credentialed recognition is not to be mistaken for a social ritual or parental request we duly endeavor to fulfill. Positions which require no particular talent or specialized knowledge base now require academic endorsement - the university degree is a ubiquitous minimum. The humanities and other such faculties as undergraduate focuses are not utterly worthless as receptionary and generic office positions now require such qualifications. The hordes of dull-normal females you implicitly mock are in fact in deliberate pursuit of a very specific level of vocation.

It should be clear to anyone by like mid elementary school that exams merely offer a space for you to cite material - math and all the other "super hard" courses are no exception to this. Evaluation at the undergraduate level would seem to discourage unique approaches to course topics and problems - proceeding through any degree specifically requires you to not engage in any divergent thought. Intellect allows you to perceive the academic drudge as such and not be driven into pomp by the big numbers and cool letters you receive after expending a slight effort.

>>10336591
>Evaluation at the undergraduate level would seem to discourage unique approaches to course topics and problems - proceeding through any degree specifically requires you to not engage in any divergent thought.
More algorithm-heavy exams in CS usually gave me some room. It depends.

>>10336591

u usin lotta big words dere colleg boi

Anyone want to discuss NEET problems?

Today I ate too many chocolate cookies and it made me very tired, so I had to take a nap.... I really hate myself sometimes.

Alright NEETs what's you're life going to look like when you're 40?

>>10337470

You mean in less than 5 years? Fuck if I know.

>>10337506
grand archwizard please go

>>10337515

But I have nowhere else to go.

>>10337470
I'll probably end up like my weird neighbor.

He's worked min wage his entire life, rents someone's attic because he can't afford a real apartment, has no friends or family, spends his entire day locked up, muttering strange things and writing secret codes on the walls.

There's no way out, I've never been able to hold down a job for more than 6 months or concentrate in class. I'm gonna give college one more try this semester.

>>10337532
It's funny that he's a guy, I wonder if women end up like that too.

>>10337532

I am your neighbor, and fuck you.

>>10337506
You're not 35 shitlord, jesus
>>10336591
Hey buddy I don't wanna shit on your day or nothin' but just because you know the thing you're doing is stupid doesn't make you any less of a retard for taking part in it. That's the defense of drunk bitches who get "raped" and it don't hold up in court regardless of what feel9k told you.

>>10337554
Stop saying shitlord, shitface. It doesn't sound cool and you're the only person who says it.

>>10337562
Fuck you asshole I'll say whatever the fuck I want. You don't own me.

Am I going to die here?

>>10337578
Most certainly.

>>10337578
We both know the answer.

Canada has 1 million NEETs and we're doing fine

>>10337603
Isn;t that like 1/10th of your population?

>>10337577
I'm surprised you didn't add "shitlord" again in your post somewhere. Glad to see you're being obedient.

I'm a NEET but I enter internet competitions/contests 1 hour a day.

Is that a job?

My biggest win was $25,000 dollars. I bought so many figurines with that money. :3

>>10337622
No. You can earn money and not be employed.

>>10337525
What spells can you use oh great arcane magister?

>>10337624
Nice, I consider it a hobby to be honest.

It's not like I'm going to win huge competitions every year. That's a once in a lifetime win in my opinion.

>>10337622
What kind of competitions/contests?

>>10337622
> I bought so many figurines with that money. :3
Much like youth is wasted on the young, money is wasted on the monied.

>>10337470
Hopefully I'll be long dead by then.

>>10337606
Can you not be bothered to even google? Canada's pop is 35~ mil. Countries with generous safety nets would go under pretty quick if 10% of their pop is NEETs and add on top fewer working age people and low birthrates. Canada hasn't descended as deep into the pit of debt as some other places although their current regime is working to reverse their previous gains.

>>10337669
Life expectancy is around 80. I don't see why you would be dead at 40 unless you are a heavy coke user or something.

>>10337669
How old are you now? Do you still remember your age and birthday?

>>10337677
I turned 28 last week.
>>10337681

wat anime is ops pic from plz

>>10337666
What else would a NEET buy?

I upgraded my gaming computer, bought figurines, new bed, and some other meaningless things to keep me entertained in my NEET lifestyle.

>>10337665
Stuff like this on official company pages

I've heard that I'm just extremely lucky and some people win nothing at all.

Poor bastards. In 2012 my official win count was $44,000 worth of goods but I also count trips in that total.

I'm from Canada so Japan might have less competitions or contests.

>>10337686
You don't expect to survive for a little over a decade?

>>10337669
You have a genuine recognized disability so should get some autismbux either way. What's stopping you from wanting to see 40?

>>10337689
How do you find out what companies are holding contests?

It doesn't seem like there would be enough stuff like this out there to spend an hour a day on it. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what these contests entail.

>>10337698
I'm not in any danger of dying anytime soon.
>>10337699
I'll probably kill myself if my mother dies before I hit 40. I don't really have any reason to keep living other than her.

>>10337692
Stock market. You could have even hired a broker with the amount of cash you had on hand and not had to do any actual work yourself. With the money you could have financial security most NEETs only dream about.

>>10337707
What is your disability, anyway? If you don't mind me asking.

We'll hold a pork roast in your honor.

>>10337707
Remembered you said your mom was also disabled. Does it affect her lifespan? Otherwise what's stopping her from living to 90 or some other age that's normally longer than men?

I've got a great fucking idea guys.

How about we take all of the NEETs and move them somewhere?

>>10337700
Some of them you enter daily

I enter 200 contests daily that I have in my spreadsheet. Then I enter another 10-15 I find on internet forums that people share.

I guess if I wanted to go serious I'd spend my own time looking for obscure or not widely advertised contests.

>>10337710
I know we've all heard of that NEET who made millions playing the market but I'm nowhere near smart enough to go near it.

>hiring someone to play with my money

Nope

>>10337731
So nothing.

>>10337713
Clinical depression and social anxiety.

The lack of jobs and working people shouldn't be seen as a bad thing, but rather as a sign that many of society's demands are no longer nearly as labor-intensive.

>>10337732
Fuck off back to reddit. What that image is saying is that the government should have armed agents seize the property of certain groups of people and give it to others.

>>10337724
>hiring someone to play with my money

How is it any different than putting your money in a bank?

>>10337747
If I had the patience to wait for a potential reward I wouldn't be NEET.

>>10337724
Good call. Most actively managed mutual funds DO NOT beat major market indices in ST and LT measures. Personal traders usually only service high net worth people with alot to play around and are also prone to churning the shit out of your portfolio to just increase their own earnings. If you refuse to do anything yourself, it's better to just put it in safer instruments or index funds unless you have the in to high flying hedge funds or some other dark pools with insider info and the fanciest hardware.

>>10337775
Being a whiny little bitch isn't a disease, kiddo.

>>10337737
Not according to the US government.

>>10337745
Private property is theft. I have no problem with it being reverted back to its natural state as commons.

>>10337775
The DSM is based on pretty shitty Science.

>>10337782
Alright, so give me your computer, I want it. It's not yours.

>>10337782
What's your take on the 'tragedy of the commons' then?

>>10337781
I'll just keep collecting my money, your opinion is utterly meaningless.
>>10337795
I couldn't care less.

>>10337801
It's not yours either. Learn to differentiate between personal property and private property. I like your style though; keep it up and you'll have your own talk radio show.

>>10337813
Do you like eating pork?

>>10337813
Kill yourself.

>>10337782
I used to think this way too until I read a post on /v/ about some guy's cousin who smeared his shit on his controller

>>10337821
He may be a complete fuck up but I doubt hes a cannibal.

>>10337819
oh boy a dispute over terms that are only used by a single school of economists is brewing

i can't wait to see how this one turns out

>>10337819
It's both of ours. I want it now, by taking it from me and using it as your own, you are stealing form me and oppressing me. I'm also going to go through your fridge and "share" your food because I don't have any money and I'm hungry.

Thanks.

>>10337829
You can't be implying he's a pig, can you?

>>10337807
Commons call for communal law. The folks benefiting from resources need to come together and democratically map out a sustainable way of exploiting them.

>>10337821
The only meat I eat is chicken.
>>10337823
You first.

>>10337847
You forgot "cockmeat" sandwiches too

>>10337845
>Commons call for communal law. The folks benefiting from resources need to come together and democratically map out a sustainable way of exploiting them.

So if 9 people have a vote, and decided that person #10 has to give them all of his clothes and possessions, that's justice in your mind?

>>10337834
Rather than squabbling over one unit, why don't we foster an environment where everybody has access to his own individual machine, and all the food he needs?

>>10337862
No, I do not partake in that sort of meat, unlike yourself.

>>10337845
Who gets selected as the guards and enforcers? How do they maintain their integrity? Even if that's the case, how soon until someone wants to take much more or otherwise abuses shit and conflict comes up? Most importantly, how soon until stronger and more talented individuals start colluding to become more equal than others and reveal to the world the attack dogs they've been raising and changes to the charter?

>>10337865
>Rather than squabbling over one unit, why don't we foster an environment where everybody has access to his own individual machine, and all the food he needs?

Because I don't want to work, stop telling me what to do. Also, I have 20 of my friends who have lived in poverty in India, and they are really hungry and tired so they can't work either. In order to foster an environment of sharing, we're going to collectively digest all of your food.

Also, that's and nice bed you have, it looks really comfy. I think me and my friends are going to use it tonight, you can feel free to share it with us but there isn't much room.

>>10337847
Does your owner just kind of throw a pail of chicken scraps into your trough, how do you know its not mixed with other kinds of meat? Do you have to share with your cat?

>>10337857
No. There is never justice when somebody goes for lack of clothing/food/etc (personal property.) If 99% of people decide to seize an industrialist's factory and place it under worker management, that'd be justice though. As already explained, private property is theft.

>>10337878
Go away Trevor, you're not allowed to have real conversations anymore.

>>10337878
>Because I don't want to work, stop telling me what to do
That's fine. You don't have to. We're rapidly approaching a time when none of us will have to work. You'll still have a computer and food though.

>>10337872
Surrendering at 40 though? Don't you try to better yourself for your waifu? Go fuck shit up and take over Wall Street, the Feds and then Murrica. Tohsaka loves dem goldies. Rubies are the most expensive precious gem. Autismbux won't buy you large A-grade sacks of them.

>>10337886
But I thought you supported democracy? Which one is it? Do you support the peoples right to govern their own future, or do you want to force others to abide by your value system?

>>10337894
>That's fine. You don't have to. We're rapidly approaching a time when none of us will have to work. You'll still have a computer and food though.

Who's going to make the food and computers? Why should they work when they could just sit back and reap the benefits?

>>10337873
Stop projecting your insecurities upon mankind as a whole. Human beings have a tendency towards collaboration and mutual aid rather than competition and domination. Even then, decision-making would be done through near-consensus, making it very difficult for one powerhungry faction to assert itself.

>>10337916
You've made the error of suggesting she'd be interested in someone like Sudo in the first place.

>>10337894
>>10337886
>>10337845
>>10337819
>>10337782

>>10337922
> Human beings have a tendency towards collaboration and mutual aid rather than competition and domination.


AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>10337922
>>10337894
>>10337886
>>10337865
>>10337845
>>10337819
>>10337782
>>>/le reddit/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SwKxUz7osM

>>10337922
[citation needed]
I asked valid questions. You choose to answer with ad hominem and generic idealist fluff? I do apologize for trying to engage with you seriously there for a minute.

>>10337913
>Do you support the peoples right to govern their own future, or do you want to force others to abide by your value system?
They're one in the same. You've just created an inane hypothetical dilemma that doesn't reflect any sort of reality.

>Who's going to make the food and computers? Why should they work when they could just sit back and reap the benefits?
Fewer and fewer people every year, until virtually nobody has to. This march towards the future is already reflected in current trends.

>>10337941
You're asking way too much for someone like him to actually think about his ideology, it's kind of like a warm fuzzy blanket in the back of his mind that he uses to comfort himself. It also provides an enemy to scapegoat any problems he may have, or personal failures.

>>10337941
>[citation needed]
http://libcom.org/library/mutual-aid-intro

>>10337954
>They're one in the same. You've just created an inane hypothetical dilemma that doesn't reflect any sort of reality.

They're not the same. What if the majority population voted that people with red hair had to be slaves? Who's going to stop them? It's the people's will, that's direct democracy in action.

>Fewer and fewer people every year, until virtually nobody has to. This march towards the future is already reflected in current trends.


But these scientists that are working towards creating infinite food are being paid a salary and have an incentive. Why would anybody work to create anything if they could just laze around and consume mindlessly?

>>10337922
>Human beings have a tendency towards collaboration and mutual aid rather than competition and domination.
If that is true, how do things like economic exploitation and dictatorships come to being in the first place when everyone just wants to hold hands and sing Kumbaya together according to your lofty blanket statement? Greed is part of human nature as much as you would like to bury your head and deny it. It only takes a few crafty people to fuck things up and heck some members of the population seem biologically incapable of feeling guilt or empathy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2065161/Psychopaths-arent-just-mentally-different--brains-physically-deformed-prevent-feeling-fear-guilt.html

>>10337961
http://www.reddit.com/search?q=libcom.org&restrict_sr=off&sort=relevance&t=all

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>>10337986
Bro, if everything posted on reddit was off limits nothing would ever get posted here.

>>10337966
>What if the majority population voted that people with red hair had to be slaves? Who's going to stop them? It's the people's will, that's direct democracy in action.
Again, an inane dilemma. Democratic decision-making is not just 51/49, you know. It becomes most just when it is consensus-based, or (for practical purposes) something very close to that.

>But these scientists that are working towards creating infinite food are being paid a salary and have an incentive.
And they still will. Most people prefer a job with a salary to simple welfare benefits. As technology progresses, however, there won't be a choice, because there won't be much work left to do. Those with something left to contribute will still be compensated at a high rate for their efforts, but most of the community's resources (now easier than ever to produce) will be providing for those without work. The arrangement will cannibalize itself when scarcity becomes virtually irrelevant and even the technological architects have little left to do.

>>10338005
>
Again, an inane dilemma. Democratic decision-making is not just 51/49, you know. It becomes most just when it is consensus-based, or (for practical purposes) something very close to that.

If the majority of people wanted something, who's going to stop them?

>And they still will. Most people prefer a job with a salary to simple welfare benefits. As technology progresses, however, there won't be a choice, because there won't be much work left to do.

[citation needed]

> Those with something left to contribute will still be compensated at a high rate for their efforts

Compensated with what? It's not fair that they get something as their own that I don't get to share. Communal ownership! Communal ownership! Fairness!

>The arrangement will cannibalize itself when scarcity becomes virtually irrelevant and even the technological architects have little left to do.

Just because certain resources become infinite doesn't mean that it's justified to redistribute them at gunpoint. What if I work really hard to make something, are you going to seize it by gunpoint in order to reward certain groups of people who who deem worthy?

>>10337554

>You're not 35 shitlord, jesus

Afraid so. Not dead yet.

>>10337610
Shut your fucking mouth shitlordturboheteroqueer

>>10338022
>Compensated with what? It's not fair that they get something as their own that I don't get to share. Communal ownership! Communal ownership! Fairness!
you are stupid

people who choose to work or choose to do something productive will have more than someone who doesn't. freebies will be regulated and controlled like rations, not shared between different people.

for example: as a neet i'd probably be assigned a big box to live in at a location with hundreds of box houses like mine. i'd get a budget every month and generic healthy food. a scientist would live in a nice spacious house in a beautiful neighborhood. he'd earn 100x my budget and enjoy the world and traveling if he wanted. i'd be cooped up in my house connected to a vr machine and never experience the real world and that's just fine with me.

>>10338218
I fucked your mom and you're next. Bend over, slut.

>>10338142
What magic can you use?

>>10338226
Unless there's mass depopulation it'll probably be more like a cubicle than a box.

>>10338404
No. Apartment complexes will be larger and more complex than before thanks to robotic help with maintenance, construction and whatnot. There's a lot of land unused that these mega apartment complexes can be built on. Remember those highways you drove by with nothing but dirt, grass and trees? Now imagine it lined with apartments that can house 1000 families each.

Hey guys, I just want to inform you that I am a proponent of this thing. The theory I have developed about said thing is the result of the A I received in ECON1010; I am obviously gifted within this academic domain, trivial deductions utilizing absolute logical forms and economic psuedo-patterns I have discerned from the 2-3 texts I partially got through over my econ prelim semester. I demand that this idle, amateur speculation I have offered be received with immediate deference and voiced plaudits. My thesis offers no coherent system descriptions or conclusions and at very best can be described as in total conflict with an incomprehensible reality I am attempting to replicate with words on the internet. I am positing form where there simply isn't any, and refuse to clarify or follow up with any of the queries and responses I have provoked because I am an adolescent.

I just earned myself sickness/disability benefits until October with just a two-appointment psych eval and filling some forms. God bless welfare society.