/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>7539944
ccv + sc
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>trackholo.live

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

How is minecraft a buff game, this shit is boring af

L game

Numbers from EN's Original song

>>7540141
>How is minecraft a buff game
It’s a multiverse soap opera where there is always a chance for some impromptu collaboration, pranks, conflict and friendship.

>>7540141
It's only a buff for Holo because as what above just said.

>>7540364
>didn’t like Kiara
How did Kiara manage to turn off this many people that otherwise hako-oshi to the best of their effort?

>>7539944
Destroy...Nijicucks...

>>7540427
Nigger if you think that guy is posting in good faith you might actually be retarded

>>7540364
>Bonus
Just me being a tribalfag as part of thread's tradition

Good numbers for Noefure

>>7540508
kek true, I was bored

t.tako

>>7540554
Why are junfags like this?

>>7540516
>What is ads to boost song views for $500?
Yea. We see no real continued viewing of these songs once the ads run out huh.

Jun ended his stream. Peko is inclining

>>7540758
>its real
wtf

>>7540758
>Jun ended his stream. Peko is inclining
Nah, if you look at the timing Miko and Subaru also end-
>they’re still streaming
WTF? Did google suggested her micra after his ended?!

>>7541071
Could be, could also be that there's some fanbase overlap.

apparently 42k people have entered first twitcast stream but it's never gone over 5k concurrent!

Out of everyone inclining recently the one I kneel the most is
>Hal
He made it on pure networking, something most of the OG Vtubers failed and fall into a recline despair cycle

>>7541289
Also
>Playboard missing Noel stream
All numberfag sites are garbage compared to VNUMA

>>7541289
Looks like a custom game with other apex players

>>7541339
VNUMA was fucking trash.

>>7541364
It is a custom apex game, the scrim for the upcoming vtuber apex tournament if I'm not mistaken

>>7540141
Literal children.
A chat becomes significantly more grey during Minecraft

>>7540554
Why are deadbeats like this?

>>7541398
no, those don't start for like 10 days or so. he has a weekly custom game that he's been hosting for a while now.

aren't they just custom games for the sake of it? Towa doesn't have any upcoming tournaments with selly and bora.

>>7540695
At least they can tell investors a million people watched it

>>7540516
How did Black Out already surpass Diamond City Lights in views?
I actually like Diamond City Lights better. Black Out sounds too much like kpop for me.

>>7541394
It was only good since it scraped all vtubers not just Hololive and automatically ranked them.

I will just stand here and point and laugh at the retards that thought Irys' numbers had already stabilized.

>>7541670
Pretty sure they ran the ad wave longer

>>7541670
They ran ads longer. They stopped ads for the song when it was around 900k

Here are the Holo streams going right now
>WTF is IRyS doing in this time slot?

It's 10AM in the American east coast, who is she even streaming to?

>>7541706
Her numbers are going to swing pretty wildly depending on if she's streaming late night PST or late night JST, if she intends to keep these two slots as her main ones.

>>7541808
well she does live in Japan.

>>7541808
>WTF is IRyS doing in this time slot?
Mori's european timeslot pretty much
>>7541810
Her American primetime Doom peaked at below 10k and she had the entire evening free since the fullgen TTRPG ended before she started

>>7541808
She streams during Japanese hours cause she’s in Japan. Mori does the same.

>Irys already going for RFA and ASMR
Man that's pretty desperate

>>7541874
? It's just standard V-Tuber stuff.

>>7541845
Her intended audience doesn't. Even living in Japan, if she held for one more hour she would have the slot all to herself, pretty much.

>>7541852
>Mori's european timeslot pretty much
It's smack in the middle of the working day all across europe, 3PM London time, 4PM Paris-Berlin time.

With that said 8.5k peak is nothing to sneeze at, specially with PekoMicra and Noefure in the same slot

>>7541866
She really needs to stream consistently on a certain timeslot. Actively debuffing herself like this ain't good, not only she's going after Gura's timeslot, she's also streaming at Mori's timeslot (Usually around 11am/pm JST).

>>7541874
I guess since her main job is being a Vsinger she will just go through the generic vtuber and FOTM stuff for streams.

>>7541920
>It's smack in the middle of the working day all across europe, 3PM London time, 4PM Paris-Berlin time.
Yes, it's still the best timeslot for european watchers you can reach from Japan.
Though to be fair Mori usually starts at 23:00 JST and Irys started at 22.

>>7541976
yeah this is what V-Tuber is now, daily streaming, long as you're active you will grow your fanbase (for the corpo ones at least.)

>>7541982
Best timeslot for EU is Rushia's regular one
>6PM JST / 9AM London time / 10AM Paris-Berlin time
It ends up being a "morning stream" for those areas

>>7541113
You're only figuring that out NOW? Sure took you long enough for that.

>>7540548
Blackout got ads faster and longer

>>7542055
Based on what are you saying that those streams are the "best" for EU watchers?

>>7542061
No, absolutely not. This is absolutely shocking news and must be spread across the board.
Sarcasm aside, IRyS I this timeslot....well, time will tell how well this works out in the long run. It does let her collab with the JP branch really easily though.

>>7542127
Autism and gut feeling. I can’t measure it but I can assume a morning stream could get a bigger audience than an early afternoon one

>>7541874
Where do you see that?

REFLECT is now the 11th most viewed Hololive song (12th if you consider ホロライブ言えるかな? Beyond the Stage ver. )

>>7541808
She has been moving her stream time around, probably trying to figure out which is the best timeslot for her audiences. Or so I hope, since alternatively, she might be trying to pander to everyone by switching her stream hours from one zone to another randomly (JP / NA / EU) - I don't think this will work out well, though.
(I guess it's also possible that she might be busy during the day with lessons since she did say that she'd prioritize singing over streaming before)

Hololive songs viewed ranking(original+cover)(~ 8/1)
https://youtu.be/-Lal8H1QPx8

>>7542210
She said it in her SC reading

>>7542281
I wonder how this would look like with originals only.

>>7542238
Then, the best conclusion would be to move her streams an hour before rushia 3pm JST since their fanbase doesn't overlap, morning hours 7-8am JST or cultivate an audience late at night like Watame, Flare and even Ina. Pekora, Marina and Ina already proved that they should always stream consistently at a certain timeslot, even Mori streams normally aside from her collabs.

>>7541584
Not going to work on anyone who asks about the engagement metrics. Ina's song already has 3x the likes and 4x the comments with 1/3 the views...

>>7540364
Why didn't you like Kiara's song? Hinotori is a great song

>>7542381
>j-japanese p-people don't really like or comment or subscribe or provide any type of external sign of approval

>>7542460
Can't get that pass since they're an EN group

I don't think having 2 different time slots for irys is bad, that timeslot could be use for jp collabs, cultivating a loyal audience for a timeslot early on is pretty important. It is better than suddenly changing your timeslot and all your old audience might not be used to it. I say this is a pretty smart move from her.

>>7542381
>engagement metrics
Do investors really ask about stuff like this? It's usually just subscribers/views amount on presentations.

>>7542596
Yep, these two timeslots are incidentally the timeslots that Mori likes to use, sort of (Late JP+Late Na).
>>7542317
It looks pretty much like the weekly Holo-orignals viewed on that same channel with a few songs shuffled around accounting for how long they've been out. It becomes Mori+Suisei taking up most of the top rankings.

>>7542055
That's not actually good for EU unless your plan is to target EU NEETs, actual adults are working then and the teenagers are still in school. You want to go for the early morning streams you need to start a couple hours earlier.

>>7542596
I think this is one of the reasons that Gen 3 (and Lamy, Botan, Ina) have been so successful. They stream at pretty much the same time. People know when to tune in.

Today's numbers

>>7542159
>>7542127
>>7542055
>>7542746
I'm in the UK, and I can confirm this. Generally I watch Rushia in the mornings because the screaming helps me wake up.

NEETs aren't the only target audience here - plenty of people work from home now. And I spend my whole working day watching vtubers. If they were all streaming during my evening "prime" time, I probably wouldn't watch as much. I barely watch them on the weekends either.

>>7542844
HOW DO WE SAVE TOKYO2020 LADS?

>>7542887
Sue the IOC for region locking

>>7542844
Gura live viewers inclining again

>>7542887
Graduation stream stat

>>7542675
Pitch decks will usually just contain whatever numbers the company thinks look best, but if any marketing people are involved in those decisions they will 100% ask about engagement figures. An audience that's 1/4 the size but 10x as engaged is going to make you more money.

>>7542887
Xqc will save olympics by streaming it and reacting to it.

>>7543027
They graduate every 4 years, but keep coming back.

>>7539944
Daily Nijisanji August 5

JP (over 10k)
52827 Nijisanji official
30044 Shiina
29573 Onomachi
29333 Fuwa
22068 Ibrahim
19150 Hayato
19119 Sasaki
14598 Rion
14410 Mito
14063 Kanae

New JP
16249 Leos
10310 Lauren
6819 Axia
5712 Lain
4857 Oliver

EN
3873 Elira
2554 Finana
1517 Petra

Bonus
1280 Bonnivier

>>7543047
NO
i'm sick of people leeching off my oshi

>>7543037
>but if any marketing people are involved in those decisions they will 100% ask about engagement figures
Worse than that. Much like when a video hides the "Likes / Dislikes" or block comments, any pitch to a company ommiting engagement figures will be seen as suspicious

>our video got 1M vides
>OK, how many likes?
>that is not really a metric our company optimizes for, because japanese peo-

>>7543218
When is the playoffs? This was a 3 week training arc right. I only know the finals is on the 13th.

>>7543218
>fuwa outviewing kanae by just standing alone in the rain for like 15 minutes
how do we save kanae channel...

>>7542281
Anthem song is still going strong.

>>7542281
>to enter hololive's top 10 you need 8.2M views
fucking hell i didn't think it was that high

>>7543037
I guess if someone is enough of a fan to like, comment and keep coming back to refresh the song they're more likely to buy whatever the singer promotes, is that right?

>>7544293
Assuming they aren’t dirt poor, yeah.

>>7544384
Both Microsoft, Macromedia and Adobe hinged their whole business model in the 90s on the follow maxim
>the software pirate of today is the paying customer of tomorrow
That's why Windows, and Macromedia Flash (the editor) and Photoshop both were widely pirated

That's why they exist today and the likes of Corel, Novell and other players in the same markets disappeared.
It works for music too, the fan too poor to buy music today (because he's underage or because he is a third worlder) may be a paying customer 2 years down the line.
The one thing VTubers did that allowed them to take over a HUGE share of the pie is exactly that
>it is "free to play"
>but you unlock the good perks by paying

>>7542844
These Nijis are barely hanging on by stacking a ridiculous amount of special event buffs. Someday they'll run out of idea and it'll be the end of them.

>>7544584
Said the nervous holobronie for the Nth time

>>7544584
>>7544620
All me btw, if you didn't notice

>>7544584
>ridiculous amount of special event buffs
>a baseball event that has almost 3 years of history
>literally just building a castle in Minecraft
lurk fucking more before you bs holonigger

And now we enter the "baiters baiting baiters" segment of the numbers thread. Get out your hip boots lads, cause the bullshit is going to run deep

>>7544665
Fuck off virtue signalling faggot.

>>7542287
Good, I was hoping she'd do ASMR. She seems like she has a good voice for it.

>>7541394
best trash we ever had

>>7544584
They won't "end", but it will be like last year where after the baseball event is over, they end up stagnating for months.

>>7544750
Seethe

>shuba 21k on sausage legend
does she make sloppy sausage-gagging sounds or something? How the fuck does it always get so high

>>7546470
It's her personal meme game, like Trials to Botan or Minecraft to Pekora so of course it gets plenty of views

>>7546516
And also GTA to Miko

24k is very low for Pekocraft

>>7541808
>already below Suisei
what a failure, even with EN buff she is mogged by the real singer

>>7542844
>Shiina and Fuwa ahead of Peko
you said no one watches Nijisanji in these threads, why would you lie?

>>7546653
Because you're a tribalist nigger, here's your (You) as nijifans.

>>7546700
Roa is never coming back is she?

>>7546700
I like Pekora though? People seriously think no one watches other companies or indies though which is funny.

Look at Hal, even. Mogging holos with Apex.

>>7546653
They will soon be back to barely getting 4-5k. The numbers you are seeing now are fake and are boosted by special circumstances and deep down the Nijiniggers know this. Its like a Hololive fan seeing Roboco get 60k for her costume reveal and acting like that is her standard viewership.

>>7542844
what happened to gura?

>>7546839
you seem to be coping a lot for a declining company, even your meme shark is doing streams for 9k people.

Meanwhile Fuwa stretching is beating all holos lmao

>>7546944
do you make your posts this bad specifically to have me cringe at it?

>>7546653
why are you leaving out haruka who is right there next to those two?

more people would watch morning stretches than primetime minecraft. weird, huh?

>>7547337
Cute boys buff

>>7546944
>doing streams for 9k
She just streamed to 20k you mong. Even so, even if it was 9k that is still higher than Fuwa who isially streams to like 4k.

>>7547337
God this makes me wretch so hard. There are few things more disgusting than male vtubers.g2kvx

>>7547366
wow 20k, that's a pretty big dropoff in viewers
>subs go up
>viewers go down
you can't explain that!

>>7547400
You should wait for primetime so more people can react to your bait.
Feel free to insist it's totally not bait in your replies down below

>>7546605
Don't use my oshi as bait, nigger

>>7547337
leave my wife my boyfriend and my wife's boyfriend out of this

Lets say EN2 is as "Well Scouted" as HoloEN was.

How many subs will they debut with? 200k~? More, Less?

>>7550317
Nigga irys debuted with 400k, they will fucking debut with 500k minimum

>>7550337
I honestly forgot what she debuted with. Guess that makes sense.

I wonder if we'll ever get to the point of a 1 million sub debut vtuber.

>>7550337
She debuted with a little less than 200k

>>7550559
No she didn't, she had 363k subs on the day of her debut and it shot up to 419k by the end of her next day

>>7550337
>>7550559
>>7550388
She got 230k to be exact before ber debut stream and ended uo getting 300k by the end of the day after people watched her on that stream.
To the dude talking about Mori, she mostly streams at 7AM PDT. This has been a thing for months now. Irys shouldn't adjust just because Mori suddenly feels streaming at a similar hour. Mori will go back to 7AM PDT before you know it.

>Pekora once again showing her genius numberfagging
There is the in character numberfagging, of wanting Messi to buff her channel
>and the IRL numberfagging, of boosting her mind share but entering the "messi" searches that will certainly land this clip for a while

daily morning mogging

how do we save oga ch.?

>>7552538
>L-Luna chan
For me is the only surprise 0-0. Choco and Aki are expected due to Susan past but Luna?

>>7552600
This ars person .... Youtube is now suggesting me her Micra streams for some reason.
Indie?

>>7552621
how new?

>>7552600
how does he fucking do it

>>7552600
Based

>>7550317
>Lets say EN2 is as "Well Scouted" as HoloEN was.
It will be better since the success of EN gen 1 makes for better picks (more talent interest) for gen 2.

>>7552621
Nijisanji liver who used to be the biggest Minecraft vtuber before Hololive blew up, still gets her locked 4-6k viewers regardless of when she's streaming.

>>7552730
Thanks! Late night Chill Minecraft like Haato, Flare and Watame or "war criminal stuff" like Peko, Miko?

>>7552600
He’s fine if we compare him to hajime

>>7552600
Another morning of this nobody Niji ripping off of Mio. So shameless. No wonder so many people hate Nijisanji.

>OH SHIT NEGROES
Gen 3 Minecraft Hardcore collab.
> Miko is getting an easy 20k on her afternoon sessions

Predictions?

>>7552781
everyone is fine if you compare them to hajime

>>7552605
She filters too many people with her baby voice and no song buffs.

>>7552804
so true king you should go dislike his video and leave a very mean comment to let him know how you feel, as well as share it to all your social media so other holochads know to never watch him. make sure to subscribe as well so you never miss another instance of his copying and let him get away with it.

>>7552600
32k peak
its almost granted that one day he will bring kuzuha

>>7552851
kuzuha channel sleeps at 5am and actively avoids exercise... bring him on ASAP

>>7552768
She's a more competent builder than the first three, her forest in particular is gorgeous
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcmf8pnWBVE
But yea, she's often streams late night in Japan and is mostly chill with occasional moments of insanity like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijH4Oqx-nqI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DunDQmJSfYE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcVmm4fN_xQ

>>7552839
Her biggest debuf is the fact the "0 years old baby" prevents any sort of romantic or sexual attraction to her model, a HUGE debuff.

Haachama dodged that very early by changing her "lore" from "5 years old kindergarten genius" to "18 years old college genius" all the way back

>>7552841
I can't. I made a vow to never watch Nijisanji. If I go there to dislike the video I risk watching it for at least a second.

>>7552902
Haha, that burning her house down brought me memories, here is a clip from 10 years ago, Minecraft Alpha and everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnjSWPxJxNs

It is never not funny

>>7552804
Bruh. It takes a real retarded person to compare daily incredibly engaging morning stream with weekly boring shit.

>>7553045
>incredibly engaging
Top kek

>anons falling for days old bait
You guys deserve it for being dumb and replying

>>7553123
does it even count if anons are just baiting back

>>7553100
Everyone, see? A live example! This person was so energized by last incredibly engaging morning stream that he still cannot stop keking!

>>7553169
My pure hatred for anything Nijisanji, especially the males, grows every single day.

>>7552818
30k pegora

>>7553191
Yes, people usually hate things they are afraid of.
I think you should visit a therapist to treat your latent fears.

>>7553262
It has nothing to do with fear, its just the entire nature of the organization and how they allow males to stream. Its like I get filled with such a viceral feeling of pure disgust whenever they are brought up. I won't be able to truly enjoy anything until Nijisanji goes away.

How about you stop replying to those two masterbaitera and someone answer my question WTF is Ibrahim's soccer thing and will it be streamed on one channel? Or split amongst everyone? What was the last tournaments numbers?

>>7553340
Yes, yes, that's the things you'll be telling your therapist, and hopefully they will help you with your phobias.

>>7553388
game is efootball and streams will be split povs

>>7552600
>Fuwa stream is only 19 minutes long
Oh, that means there is no shot he shows up on any meaningful charts at the end of the month so that makes me happy.

>>7552600
I would rather watch Oga than those literal whos

>>7553388
>>7553473 (Me)
also what do you mean by last tournament? i think this is nijisanji's first time doing something like this. peanuts-kun had one but the game was fifa and it was 2019. if there's anything else, i don't know of it.

>>7553623
You would rather watch who?

oof this thread is full of tribalshit already.

That aside, it's amazing how much larger and flexible the audience for vtubers is in Japan compared to say, NA. Fuwa and Mio pulling 30k doing novelty morning streams and Lamy's morning stream numbers aren't bad either. Meanwhile Kiara technically streams in NA morning times and it's brutal. Even Gura's numbers are heavily nerfed when streaming outside of her normal timezone.

>>7553643
A few threads ago someone said he's done it before. My bad. I thought I could compare numbers

>>7553726
not exactly a tournament but there is this?
https://playboard.co/en/video/GHa_YUKcHPc

Finally, Gura has 200 videos(excluding private, deleted video). Her avg. views per video is 748069(711851 without REFLECT).
711851 is also her average stream VOD views.

>>7553697
Eh, if you stay around long enough you'll notice that Kiara doesn't even get bad numbers when she isn't playing JRPGs.
Gartic Phone which hasn't really been a buff game pulled 9k even while the ShiranuiKen GTA collab was still going on and peaked at 12.5k in the last round where she pulled in fanartists.
Her first Papers Please months after it has passed Fotm peaked at 7.5k and 2/3 of her last Mario Kart streams were 8k+ as well, with one outliar 4 months that I don't remember enough to explain.
It's just that for one reason or another minecraft isn't a buff game for Kiara, whether it's her audience not liking it, the algorithm not recommending it to literal children anymore because it usually has a lengthy SC reading portion and they just click out at that or any other reason.

>>7553925
By far the highest average of any vtuber.

>>7553697
You mean Mio can pull 30k doing novelty morning streams and then Fuwa can rip off her idea?

>>7553961
That's true, but I'm just saying that the size of the JP vtubing audience seems multiple times bigger than EN, at least for live viewing. Like just last night, there was a time when there were 3 20k+ streams, and a few 5-10k streams just for HoloJP. That's like almost 80k people just watching HoloJP and there's like another 80k watching Nijis. Meanwhile, HoloEN's numbers kinda cap at 35k when Ame and Gura are overlapping and NijiEN adds up to like 6k.

>>7553980
At least for streamer-vtuber
It might be some singer-vtuber higher than Gura.
Kaguya Luna (though she is in hiatus) has higher avg. than Gura (her roommate is even higher)

>>7554115
I don't think anyone debates that the regular japanese audience is bigger than the EN one.
Though it's also pretty apparent that the event english one is higher.

>>7554115
>80k for hololive and another 80k for Nijisanji
There have been multiple monthly viewership charts that show Nijisanjo does not equal Hololive in views. Should probably be more like 80k for Hololive and another 50k for Nijisanji.

>>7554176
I would add that the numbers they're getting that add to the top 10 Niji streams of the day are majority Koshien. On an eventless month they will never reach those numbers.

>>7554176
Was talking about last night in particular because the numbers are fresh on my mind. 80k was already lowballing it. They had 50k watching the Edengumi-special and 25k watching Shiina play Koshien and a bunch of misc Nijistreams.

>>7553925
Jesus, that's absurd. Her VOD streams do seem to get boosted by the algorithm at random tho. Like her Taco bell shill stream has more views than her Minecraft Ender Dragon stream, eventho the later is much longer, had a higher peak, and was more interesting content-wise. I still can't believe that fucking Taco Bell stream is almost at 500k views.

>>7554159
Kaguya Luna's numbers are like Hikakin tier. It's ridiculous.

>>7554304
Kaguya Luna's roommate*

>>7552893
I’d like him to but I don’t think he’d bother setting up his niji3d.

>>7554115
It makes sense since there's only 6 of them including Irys. HoloJP have built a community around themselves. Pooling each unique viewer watching them to the crowd that would watch another JP Holo. There was an anon that highlighted that there is a 50% that if a Twitter Follower is following one Holo that they are following the rest of the Holos as opposed to Nijis 30%. There is solidarity. You see this happening most especially in JP Events. HoloEN has to debut more talents to attract more unique viewers and thus expanding their audience. Irys is a good addition personally since she is by far as proven by her numbers. She was hitting 8.5k last night with a kusoge even when Gen3 was hogging the live views for the most part. You are going to need a new gen of 5 that would get consistent 10k to get a bigger community at this point

>>7554522
You don't need 3D. People were there with Live2D. but he'll never do it because he's a lazy motherfucker

>>7554304
>Like her Taco bell shill stream has more views than her Minecraft Ender Dragon stream
It was shilled on the official Taco Bell twitter (almost 2M followers).

>>7554115
Gura used to stream to 50-60k people tho, and holojp has the EN audience as well so of course they will have bigger audience

>>7554304
People have been saying that it's the schedule shift that is hurting Gura. We will have to wait and see during this current stream if she goes back up to 20k. I honestly think she should stop playing platformers like Ame. It's lazy content for them and they are both bad at it. The only reason you should play a platform game is if you get good and finish the game (Ina, Kanata), already good at it (Fubuki) or make it incredibly funny(Korone). The only reason they choose these games is because they want something "easy" to pad up their stream schedule. Gura said this exact reason on her stream btw.

>>7554525
>Irys is a good addition personally since she is by far as proven by her numbers.
Please reread your sentences.
>She was hitting 8.5k last night with a kusoge
Counterpoint she hit 8.5k ~40 minutes into a streamerbait game, compared to Kiara peaking 9.6k 25 minutes into the same kusoge

>>7554602
That was during her early months. Her streams are 50k+ for Karaokes, 30k+ for a buff game or a first time try of a new game, 20k+ for a normal game or stream and then 10-15k+ on a debuffed game.

>>7554704
Did Kiara's stream over Pekora Minecraft, Migo stream, and NoeFure karaoke when she got that number?

>>7554704
Why are you comparing Kiara's circumstances with Irys? They are by far the worst people to compare. Be it the time schedule, the people streaming at the same as her and even the type of people that would normally watch them. And I honestly can't take you seriously if your first remark is all bout grammar or structure.

>>7554861
>JP and EN audience are the same
The only argument for that is competing karaoke streams

>>7554880
>They are by far the worst people to compare
Why? I think it's far more reasonable comparison to compare Irys' Plug&Play with Kiara's rather than with Gura's from near debut.

>>7554602
Gura hasn't passed 50k in a game stream since the Dec viewercount change. Whether it's honeymoon phase ending or many people not being counted as "spam viewers", we'll never know. Seeing as her VOD views have been relatively similar too, it might just be that people stopped watching live and decided to catch VODs instead. However, I think it's better to compare her live viewer numbers now to her Jan 2021 numbers since that's most likely where her core audience is now.

>>7554687
Well her game today is likely going to be a flop. Same devs as A Hat in Time and that game was a numbers killer for all of HoloEN. Gura seems to struggle to find a base game to play when she's not doing FoTM since she doesn't like solo minecraft. It could've been DBD but not sure why she stopped playing it. It's pretty obvious now tho that retro and platform games do not do well with the EN audience.

>>7554704
It's a bit unfair to compare Kiara and Irys's Plug and Play numbers. Kiara played it alone in Ina's timeslot (1pm PST/4pm EST) which is a decent time for EN as Ina has shown to pull 10k+ often in it. Irys overlapped with NoeFure and Pekora at 6am PST/9am EST on a weekday. She was streaming moreso to japs than burgers with that timeslot. Even Calli knows to stream 1-2 hours later if she wants an EN audience.

Rion is trying to piggyback on the numbers

>>7555098
She's been doing this since the first day
Looking at Playboard, she does not experience a spike when she's playing with Fuwa's video.
https://playboard.co/en/video/agxsKj5mf6g

>>7555098
At least post her numbers too to show if it's working.

She's getting 4k rn with a morning zatsu, which is pretty good for her since they used to be 2k.

>>7554994
She streamed at 4PM EST. She already has 1M subscribers by the time she decided to even play this game and the only person streaming at that time was Watame who was trying to finish her project for the gen 4 collab. The last time she streamed JP primetime was her Holotalk with Azki and she got 9k.

>>7555087
She got consistently good numbers with DBD and she was actually pretty damn good at the game too. Her Project Diva streams did really well too and she is obviously excellent at that. She has done well with most rhytem games.

>>7555510
I think the ENs should already realize by now that you can only go 3 ways. Be so dumb it's funny, be so determined it's endearing or be so good it's entertaining. Half-ass attempts aren't fun. They are frustrating.

>>7555590
Another way is be a troll and laugh at everything like Botan but the lion has reached sage mode after grinding so much so everything is laughable.

>Look at a NijiEN stream
>Sub 2k

lol

>>7555662
Please anon, that's been pretty standard for many of the NijiENs. They haven't really expanded the audience much, just taken those who have fallen off the HoloEN wagon or those that watch both.
People on the board can bitch and moan about how the HoloEN girls are terrible compared to their JP senpai or some other rrat peddling, but each of them does something that grabs non-vtuber fans and drags them down to algo hell on their rec screens
>Ina, Art
>Mori, Music
>Ame, Variety streamer (with a bit of FPS)
>Gura, Cute and disarming, universal appeal
>Kiara, Energy, Dual-language
Ima be clear that I don't really watch NijiEN due to time constraints, but the only one who stands out to me is Selen, while Lazulight just seem like they've got good chemistry but don't really have anything that attracts an audience outside of the vtuber sphere.
>>7555590
Pretty sure they do know by now, but they either don't care or some other reason trumps their desire for numbers.
Looking at Gura's waiting room, I think she might hit 20k if she doesn't spaghetti and is able to chat while playing (6k before stream starts). If she instead has to focus on the game, I doubt she gets more than 16k.

>>7554304
>er VOD streams do seem to get boosted by the algorithm at random tho
gura streams get boosted a lot specially if its is about current topics or games. Shit even her jaws watch along winch isnt that old is at 300k for a fucking watch along.
>>7555087
simulators seems to be pretty good for gura imo but there should really be a good rythm game out there or keep going with DBD. however i would add that is not that platforms do bad. it is that they stretch them out to long. Ame had like 11 sunshine streams, 10 galaxy ones 5 DKC ones. is too much. it diminish the viewer base a lot or at least the live one becasue i have notice ames vods still end up beyond 100k even if the game also was at 5k live views.

And just as note 8k before stream start.

>>7556332
Gura should really become kind of a zatsudan shark. She is a fantastic talker and gaming clearly isn't her thing. Her odd zatsudan streams tend to perform better than her raw gaming streams too.

>>7556482
she just needs to find a game that doesn't need her to focus a lot so she can keep on tlaking. i think that is why she chose this game. This game has no consequences and needs so little focus. Still it is the surprise of some games that also make her endearing like she trying to censor DMC boobs or screams that make for good clips.

>>7555662
That's at least in the top 0.1% of EN chubas, stop letting holo numbers rot your brain

>>7556563
Her clips make her subs grow fast. Some clips even don't need to be translated (Gura making funny sound).

>>7556332
Other than Selen, the NijiEN girls seem like just your typical indie vtubers. If you want to count Finana being vshojo tier levels of degenerate a standout then I guess you can count her as well.
It makes sense that they didn't really pull new people in but rather started absorbing HoloEN fans who are getting bored of Gen 1.
Their main selling point right now is how they're able to synergize with each other which is something HoloEN really fails at as a group (some pairings do well in 1-on-1 collabs).

>>7557059
They are the top of indie vtubers then.So they are still doing good.
i would add a piece of salt and say that they are in a position where they cant or avoid to do as many multipart series streams becasue it kills their viewership. it seems only holo and top nijis streamers can get away with it.

So if you take the 50% Holo cut into account, Kson potentially out-earned everyone else on August 4th. If Aqua negotiated her contract, then Kson still effectively hit #2. Sasuga simp magnet

>>7557059
For EN market, it's late for new vtubers to gradually develop their feature after debut.
Unlike early JP members who debut during immature market era

>>7557274
Looking at the scene as a whole they're doing fine right now, the big question is if they can bring in a new audience. Personally I think that the male wave has that potential since it in itself is a new concept at the corporate vtuber level in EN.
The Prelude video is probably a setup for a potential teaser drop this week is my assumption. IRyS didn't really comment much on the video other than asking her chat how they think she did as a narrator. I think the drop of EN2 will be the real test to see how sturdy the core NijiEN fanbase is.

>>7557508
i actually dont belive males will bring new audience.
the thing is the perception of anime boy in the west and the east is pretty different.
Regarding EN2 every time holo gets boosted imo it will boost nijien too since they viewers overlap a lot.

>>7557274
I mean it also kills Holo viewership, they just don't care while also having a higher baseline of diehard supporters willing to watch through.

>>7557715
What if they use non-anime style 2D model?
Being virtual=/= being anime

>>7557715
Depends if they overlap with their stream times. NijiEN is currently reaping the rewards for streaming during HoloEN dead hours.
Purely judging by current stream times, new NijiEN waves are going to stream at the same time continually cannibalizing each others live viewership.

>>7557785
yeah thats why i say they can get away with it.
is a shame that long ass games cant be streamed for newbies becasue they will filter most people.

>>7557059
>>7556440
None of you retards watch NijiENs stop talking about their qualities.

If you want actual qualities, Elira is the only endurance streamer vtuber and the best singer out of the EN branches in both companies.

Pomu's hardcore wotagei cred and creative streams have already given her a ton of viral success moments (God Knows, Akiba, Da Pomky), even her livetweeting about the Bobon-Mouse collab yesterday got Bobon massive traction and one of his biggest streams. Her own numbers have gone from around 1k to easily 3k+ ccv these days.

Those two are definitely their best gets scouting wise along with Selen.

Finana has the skill of having no filter which is why she gets the most watched clips of the group and that is an important quality for algorithmic success.

Rosemi is the most typical of EN vtubers but she's trying to cater as much as possible, and Petra doesn't have much going for her besides being cute, so I'd somewhat agree for those two.

Also why is Kiara knowing JP a standout talent when all of NijiEN is multilingual and Petra, Elira, and Rosemi speak JP as well as her?

But again all of this is irrelevant to a numbers thread and they are doing spectacularly well for Nijisanji basically having no presence in the West.

>>7557957
It's one of the things I value Kiara for, she's dedicated to those long games.

>>7558092
she, nui and watame get my respect for their commitment to heavy story games.

>>7558084
This is poor bait

>>7558084
>Elira is the only endurance streamer vtuber (...) out of the EN branches in both companies.
She doesn't stream nearly as long as Kiara does.
>best singer
ogey
>Also why is Kiara knowing JP a standout talent when all of NijiEN is multilingual and Petra, Elira, and Rosemi speak JP as well as her?
They don't.
Like that's not even putting them down, Kiara's japanese is stupidly good. And that's before you consider her being capable of live-translating.

>>7558340
>She doesn't stream nearly as long as Kiara does.
Yes she does

>>7558340
>Kiara's japanese is stupidly good
Its even more amazing when you consider the fact that she isn't even a JSL, she is a JTL, Japanese as a THIRD language. She is quite the smart one.

>>7558381
she does not. Her stream time is pale in comparison to Kiara's.

>>7558340
she also put her JP to good use helping with holotalk and explaining JP talents some english things.

>>7558476
>>7558381
NUMBERS YOU FOOL, go to both of their channels and just do some goddamn napkin math if you must and figure out how long their average stream lenght is!

>>7558084
>Elira is the best singer
Ok, if you want to say she is better than Gura, I don't agree, but I can see the argument. However, she isn't even in the same league as IRyS.

>>7558476
Kiara has been streaming on average a bit less recently but I can't really blame her seeing how she's waist deep on working on projects and sponsorship things off screen.

>>7558554
Kiara wins, anon.

>>7558662
>cherrypicking endurance streams

>>7558734
NTA but where are your numbers then?

>>7558084
>Elira is the best singer out of the EN branches in both companies.
Amusing.

>>7558734

>>7557059
>Other than Selen, the NijiEN girls seem like just your typical indie vtubers. If you want to count Finana being vshojo tier levels of degenerate a standout then I guess you can count her as well.
Selene and Finana happen to be the only Niji EN I find likeable. Probably because they stand out, making them a bit more interesting.

Why do the Nijiniggers love to compare themselves with the holos when they can't even beat Vshoujo numbers?

>>7558902
>>7558734

>>7558947
>>7558902
>>7558734

>>7558902
>>7558947
>>7558974
ULLLLTRAAAAA COOOOOOMBOOOO

Today's superchats

>>7558084
you call this the best singer? wtf is this dude smoking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc4-UbCK5QI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUVMVbzNTMU
shes like ina level not even the best.

>>7559203
He never heard that asian leaf accent before.

>>7559203
That isn't fair. I think she is quite good but I would still put her behind Gura and IRyS. Best EN singers.

1. IRyS
2. Gura
3. Elira

Ignoring the tribalfags here, this is Elira and Kiara's streaming times since July 18th. A couple of things to note here is that Elira had to take a 5 day forced break due to ISP troubles and the numbers for the Gmod collab and the No Archive Karaoke are based off Playboard tracking data so are likely a bit less than the true stream time. Also doesn't include her current Omori stream.

>>7559192
Haruka: Achieved Koshien
kson: A strange game + more congrats for 750k
Ibrahim: Explained the football game
Kanata: Talked about ASMR (?)
Lamy: Lamy
Leona: 250k karaoke
Surumetan: Unarchived bday karaoke
Selen: Reached 100k
Miko: Room tours
Pekora: Room tours
Chii-chan: Can't really tell, custom match
Masaru: 160k celebration

>>7559517
July 18th is a very particular cut-off point, strangely exactly enough to include Elira's Stanley Parable endurance but not enough to include Kiara's long Minecraft and Yakuza streams a few days before.
Why not try going for 4 full weeks?

>>7559691
>Ibrahim: Explained the football game
he being watched by fellow oil kings or some shit? wtf kind of incentive to donate is this

>>7559517
You really have to be less obvious when lying with numbers

>>7559862
Shit I was wrong I clicked the wrong stream. He got a lot of SC on his latest Minecraft stream and I'm running out the door at the moment but the majority of the SCs seem to be about his throat

>>7559855
I literally just went to the schedules here and pressed back couple of times to get a 15 day average without knowing what streams were included.
https://teamup.com/ksgvawzp4akez27rf1
https://teamup.com/ks1nymurwq8u6ngmhn
I can go back to Monday July 5th after the AX panel if you care that much, but idk what the length of Kiara's member streams on July 11th is.

>>7559517
I can't read this chart. At all.

>>7560320
It is the included streams in hrs, mins, and secs, and the number next to their name is the total hrs streamed

>>7560185
5:28 for 11th
4:20 on the 24th
2:58 on the 25th
If you needed the other member streams as well

Kson still shooting up the rankings

>>7560360
NTA, but that's a strange way to format this table. You can literally just insert time formatted numerical entries into one cell each and even convert them to their next logical time format using proper table formatting. This is just confusing without labeling.

That said, it is interesting to know that Elira somehow streamed a smilar amount of time compared to Kiara in spite of her having less streams overall.

>>7555662
Imagine watching shit like Kiara over Selen

>>7558662
>12 hours of chicken
how horrifying.

im impressed that gura has dipped below 15k all this time.
Also her vod views already reached what her coll-ab with Ame did at the end last night in one hour less. just reaffirming this is her timeslot

>>7561959
Sustaining 15k with this crummy-ass game (Her zatsudan-game is hard-carrying this shit) is impressive.
5pm PST is 100% Gura's best timeslot as she's built her audience across NA.
>>7553925
Definitely indicates that her audience has moved, at least in part, to watching VODs/highlights instead of trying to catch every stream live (accounting for drops in CCV due to the Dec. Fuckery).
I'm pretty sure tomorrow's Crazy Taxi stream is gonna break 20k+ ccv without an issue.

>>7561551
>>7561484
>>7559855
These are their hours streamed from July 5th

I have a nagging feeling there will be no number threads during koushien. just a guess though.

>>7561551
Kiara had a lot of collabs in that timeframe.

>>7562483
I'm going on vacation during Koshien week so the 3.5 other Nijifags who actually want to discuss numbers and not reply to bait will have to post about it. Maimoto, hang in there against the shitposting

>>7562373
cant even get more viewers than a stretching Minato Fuwa

>>7562373
firday night are usually the weakest for EN. still i expect 18k-20k
but not sure if people remember crazy taxi anymore. korone's one wasn't that high on views if i remember.

>>7562373
Didn't you literally just earlier claim that she can do 20k if she uses it as Zatsudan background

>7562582
august is gonna be a long, long month

>>7562483
>>7562582
Who are you?

>>7562645
I did, and I was wrong, not realizing just HOW BORING this game was. Guess I should've taken a closer look at the game.
I'm entirely tabbed out at this point with Gura in the background because this game is so mind-numbingly boring.
>>7562624
I stick to my 20k+ since Crazy Taxi on this and accept being wrong based off of Asetto Corsa peak CCV. Maybe I'm over-estimating how interesting the game will be.

>>7562582
19 minute stream for your little twink fag. He won't be showing up on any end of the month ranking charts with that kind of streaming time.

>best v toober in da world

>>7563006

>>7563006
how do we save Band Jornalismo...

>>7563006
Yep. Good observation

>>7563050
Graduation stream now

>>7563047
BASEBALL SAIKYOU

HoloEN is over...

>>7563196
Doesn't look like it

>>7563196
Why is Kiara so low compared to the others?

Sorted by overall views.

>>7563307
The majority of her streams are long JRPG series

Predictions?

>>7563321
Who the fuck is 강지

>>7563196
vshojo get more than that

>>7563321
Why is Pekora's sub growth so low?

>>7563342
Marine at the top

>>7563342
Marine will get the most viewers. Estimating 60k for her

>>7563321
>#1
More subs on Youtube than Twitch despite her Youtube being Twitch clip compilations.
https://www.youtube.com/c/%EA%B0%95%EC%A7%80/featured
https://www.twitch.tv/rkdwl12

>>7563342
1. Miko
2. Marine
3. Korone
4. Haachama
5. Okayu
6. Noel
7. Lamy
8. Polka
9. Luna

>>7563342
Pekora really hates Miko huh

>>7563321
b-but according to nijifans theres no Korean vtuber fans

>>7563325
also like mori at the beggining she was changing timeslots way too much so her viewrbase is scattered around the 3 main timeslots

>>7563574
Bora gets plenty and is one of their best Apex players?

>>7563487
Been at it for 3+ years now, impressive. Views well deserved.

>>7563574
강지 singer/regular streamer -> vtuber June 2021
Wiki https://namu.wiki/w/%EA%B0%95%EC%A7%80
9.9 M view song cover https://youtu.be/L1KBaVHAdS8

>>7563785
Uhmmm don't you know she doesn't count???

>>7563811
From what I've read she's been a vtuber for like 3 weeks

>>7563811
She's been streaming for a long time but apparently she only became a vtuber last month. Does she count as vtuber or is she just a trendhopper?

>>7564217
Trendhopper

>>7564217
Does Hikakin count? He's also planning to make his vtuber activity a regular thing.

>>7564152
Oh, you're right. I thought I had missed something on searches, but that explains why we haven't seen her on these lists before. Less impressive when put that way but makes sense.

>>7564260
seems anon won't count her in the end so we're still not counting him either

August 5th, most live viewers

I don't think Hikakin or the Korean girl should be counted.

>>7564246
Kinda weird that she wasn't added to this category then.
http://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/office/convert
Maybe will be fixed later.

I think we can conclude kusoges, retro games and games that have no popularity at all are huge debuff for en viewers?

>>7564456
>not even koushien week yet
If Kuzuha is with Fuwa they will hit 1 mil

>>7564909
Imagine Kuzuha Fuwa morning radio karaoke while also doing Koshien hosted by Maimoto and Kuzuha is in 3D wearing a new outfit and Hikakin is there.

>>7565087
>didn't include fujobait mention
for shame anon think of the NUMBERS

>>7559862
>>7560184
TTS, his viewer like to messing around with his TTS machine while he retort or responding at it.

>>7563342
220k for all povs combined. Marine and Miko as the top povs.

>>7565087
Morning stretches with Kuzuha, Hal, and Hikakin before the baseball game

>>7563342
100k-120k max marine top

>>7563196
Weird to see that Gura's average actually increased compared to last month. I thought her number was dropping, but I guess that was because of the big jump & drop in May

>>7563521
I know Migo is going though a notable rise but I don't think it's enough to beat Marine.