/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

kill yourself faggot

>ALMOST SLAVE-LIKE

Sisters seething over Nijisanji officially telling their organs they're employees.

>>70722539
Am I detecting some NIJISEETHE?

Lookout for monke if kill

>subscribed
Retard, just watch for the relevant news and fuck off.
Also 50% cut lol.

>>70722484
>Nijiniggers on damage control

Fuck jannies

if this is Sayu's contract, she is fucking lucky she was living in California. The state probably has the best SLAPP laws in America. I wish Anykara was stupid enough to sue her for slander

>the debut fund is $1,300

Are they paying off the jannies

>>70722484
Off-topic. There are no vtubers in this stream jannies.

As expected the guy is just taking normal corporate terms and twisting them into entirely new scenarios for outrage, at least so far

>>70722746
>if anycolor likes you

>>70722746
1,300 currently, if it was around the time of Sayu or Cy Yu it'll be a bit higher.

anycolor can simply say "your new equipment is not necessary" and simply not give your money back.

>>70722746
They have to deem it necessary too. Doesn't even pay for a new video card

>>70722792
It's literally the discussion of a major vtubing company's contract. This is huge

are the jannies cleaning threads again?

How is this /vt/ related?

>>70722664
same cut as production kawaii, prism project(formerly), phase connect, etc so not that interesting or bad

>>70722792
It's vtuber related, faggot. The same reason yagoo threads and stock treads are allowed.

>>70722819
What money? The talent wouldn’t make any payment

>>70722484
>Performing the Social Media Disseminating
Couldn't niji hire lawyers who spoke fucking english? Who the wrote this shit?!

I just woke up, how bad is the contract far?

Can you really put together a decent set up with 1300k?

>>70722844
someone in chat was like "a single good microphone", which i think is a bit of an exaggeration. but only a bit.

>>70722710
*anti-SLAPP laws

>>70722704
Nijijanny is in a panic please understand

This grifter shit is off-topic. This board is for vtubers, not drama baiting normalfags.

>>70722806
Zaion paid for her debut stuff herself though

>>70722792
/#/ has nothing to do with vtubers either.

>>70722872
hololive too, based off what coco said

>>70722819
>computer dies
>buy a new one
>"please, $1300 won't even cover half of it but i will accept it"
>elira & co deems it unnecessary

This is like the stream #8 from this lawyer, is not offtopic sisters, even if you don't like it.

>>70722746
Crazy considering they probably have to pay at least $8000 for a debut package that will be accepted.
It looks like Niji can dictate that you need certain equipment and you are contractually forced to buy it. They can fuck you financially that way if they wanted to

>>70722746
Thats funny as shit when something like Idol Corp is giving $6,000 as debut fund to their fucking ES branch.

>>70722902
yeah, Vanta's debut practically cost nothingi

>>70722922
totally possible for sayu to spend more than the deb(u)t fund and get in debt. she had a lot of custom assets

>(4)conducting press conferences for television,radio,newspaper,magazines, etc.
someone go tell daph she was wrong and retarded.

>False swore up and down there was no debut fund
>Contract says there is
Ironically this at least shut him up from that regard

>>70722484
What's the summary of the video/contract?

>>70722901
>I just woke up, how bad is the contract far?
Bad, real bad and is close to confirm many rrats.

Why would anyone sign something like this.
wew

>>70722901
probably mtl'ed
50% cut
1300usd debut fund
can be forced to do basically anything from blowing riku live on tv to doing black streams defending the company

>>70722792
This stream is a public reveal of the contract that Kurosanji livers have to sign. It's very much of and about vtubers. Seethe.

>>70723020
still ongoing so wait a bit for summary

>>70722746
No wonder many of the livers start out with toaster pcs

>>70722884
time to make a connor thread then!

>>70722922
Apparently according to the contract they only give you "UP to 1300$" if your streaming set-up isn't good enough

>Not only is the contract a nothingburger
>They get free money for their debuts

>>70722998
Where's the screenshot of 39iq saying otherwise lol

>>70723020
sloppy and one-sided but not unconscionable. so far.

>>70722896
An Indian

>>70722862
yesh

>>70723039
>probably mtl'ed
100% MTL'd. Not even a question about it.

>>70722746
Don't forget that Sayu was forced to find and rent a studio on her own to record her debut song.

>>70723039
50% cut of the remaining 70%

>>70722902
I can but I know about computers.

>>70722710
This law fucking slapps, bro.

Don't forget they take 50% of AFTER YT cuts.

>>70722864
>how is nijisanji /vt/ related?

>>70723039
50% after the 30% YT cut and whatever for taxes

>>70723062
Then it's entirely possible they refused to give Sayu the money because her streaming equipment was "good enough".

I enjoy how quickly he picked up a bunch of vtuber drops.

>>70723039
MTL?

>>70723066
some where in here
https://logs.ivr.fi/?channel=39daph&username=39daph

>>70722913
>Niji contract reveal
Actually it's 100% on-topic

>>70723014
It's so small it may as well not exist

I mean its not like they play any games anyway, $1300 is fine for a computer

>>70723168
machine translated

>>70723109
that'll be the term where Party A dictates to Party B the place for performing the vtuber activities.

>>70723064
>sisters really believe a vtuber company giving you a starter package is "being kind"

>>70723194
I only stream league of legends, Niji hire me

>>70722922
she used the debut fund to pay the alimony

>>70723194
If they feel like it, they're not obligated to do it.

>>70723129
>YT takes 33%
>Anycolor takes 50% of 66%
So they make 33%
What do other streamers make

>NOOOOOOOO DISCUSSING VTUBER CONTRACTS IS OFF TOPIC
do nijisisters really?

>>70722896
This doubling-up of the present participle is super indicative of Indian English.

>>70722896
What makes you think Niji is the party that translated this? Has he shown literally any evidence of that? Genuinely asking here because verifying the authenticity of the document seems like it'd be the very first thing you do and nobody seems to even be mentioning it. Looks just as likely this grifter hired some India gook to cook up a 'translation' of some basic Jap entertainment industry contract and make it look like it's about vtubers.

>>70722905
With how big Niji is, it would probably hurt their honor for talents to have audio quality worth less than a $1000 set up (mic and interface)

>>70723129
so does every other company that takes 50%, this is industry standard regardless if you think its moral or not

>>70723262
this split is industry standard.

>>70722864
>How is this /vt/ related?
This is just as on topic as vtuber cosplayers or people talking about vtuber CEOS. If you think this thread should be deleted, CEO and cosplay discussion should also get deleted. He's discussing Nijisanji's vtuber employee contract which should make him on topic here.

>>70723014
This isn't a debut fund at all.
Its a meeting minimum requirements to begin streaming fund.

>>70723192
if you have to pay for the live2D it's basically nothing

>>70723066
>>70723170
its here you lazy shits, that took 1 second, just looked up forced

Wait do the 1300 is separate from the phone they need to use?

>>70723014
It's not technically a "debut" fund. It's just a fund in case the vtuber can't stream for any reason (PC blows up, phone dies, etc). Anyway, the amount is so low it doesn't even matter.

So far:
>Vtubers get 50% of the revenue Anycolor gets from youtube
>Vtubers must work at wherever Anycolor designates
>Vtubers can charge Anycolor for buying needed equipment up to 200,000 yen and they'll reimburse them only if they feel like it was necessary
>The contract is actually an employment contract (under us law)
>They can make vtubers work for 3rd parties (like wendy's)
>They can make vtubers work on tv, radio, etc
>They could make them give press conferences (black video)
>Vtuber doesn't refer to the online persona/avatar but the real person

>>70723112
>>70723142
so 35% of whatever they make on youtube
fuck that is low

The 50% after youtube cut is standard for corpos, how is that a yab

>>70723109
Because she was out fucking around in a con
>>70723192
Hololive was said to have a very small debut fund as well, but it did exist. Niji is the same

>>70723289
I mean, did you see TTT's debut trailer? Their vocals are fucking terrible

>>70723014
>>70723039
They have to pay for all the stream assets out of pocket (layouts, intro and outro, lore assets, music etc). The contract only suggests that they will help reimburse partial funds for equipment (hardware, microphone etc) IF they decide your setup is crappy enough

>>70723276
Cope

>>70723062
That's like half my pc...
Niji are literally poorfags

>>70723205
>"Sorry, you gotta record it in a studio"
>"B-But the money"
>"Didn't ask, don't care. You either do it in a studio or you don't do nothing at all"
Now it makes sense Doki used more than 200k for her own projects.

>>70723039
Elira might be getting released from all responsibility regarding the black stream with this contract

goddammit, he doesn't have the fucking merch consideration addendum

>>70723064
is $1300 a lot to you?

Damn we were so close to the 2% rrat.

>>70723262
YT takes 30, but yes.
I was under the impression that for superchats most corpos had the same 30/35/35 split.

>>70723262
That is the standard split for corpo vtubers. If you're an indie you just have the 66%

>>70723347
So no answer? He hasn't done anything to confirm the document is what he claims it to be? Are you fucking serious is this what people are yapping about?

>>70723334
>Because she was out fucking around in a con
What does that have to do with recording?

>>70723265
Kek.

>>70723262
Isn't it 30% YT, 35% Company (AnyColor in this case) and 35% Streamer? That's the typical cut (I assume it's negotiable after a year just like with Cover's contract)

>Amount determined upon separate discussion between Party A and Party B.
>Amount determined upon separate discussion between Party A and Party B.
>Amount determined upon separate discussion between Party A and Party B.
>Amount determined upon separate discussion between Party A and Party B.
So most payments are non-standard, so that they can play favorites and/or fuck over people who are bad at negotiating, or have low self-esteem.
I am an employer and I do this as well. I'm not proud of it, but people have no idea what they are actually worth to a business.

>>70723354
(me) wait, couldn't social media disseminating be extended to doxx site activities and /here/ activities? Imagine if they were ordered to astroturf all this pro-Niji bs lmao.

>>70723407
Cope

>>70723265
They are really fucking mad this time

In Nijisanji, Hololive, Phase, Kawaii, etc
You superchat $10, your oshi gets $3.5

>>70723289
This is what (up to) $1300 gets you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as9Fgn31pkA

>>70723436
>spoiler
die

>>70723457
Yes faggot I know you're coping now answer the fucking question, you're not a god-damn pokemon.

>>70723276
>Genuinely asking here because verifying the authenticity of the document seems like it'd be the very first thing you do and nobody seems to even be mentioning it.
There is genuinely no way to verify this document besides one of three things.
>it's signed
>a person comes forward and says its theirs
>lawyer-kun wouldn't risk his brand if it wasn't legit
>accidental missing redaction
The first two have already been mentioned at the start as not being the case, but for arguments sake if he didn't make that explicitly clear then they still wouldn't have happened due to being NDA breaking, and the last one is unrealistic.

You are basically banking entirely on the goodwill of a guy in Bangkok who cannot be touched and has nothing to fear. And how funny it is to potentially shit on niji.

>>70722484
>contract keeps getting interrupted by superchats that add fuck all to the stream "DURRR PLAY MY FWMC CLIP"
This is putting me to sleep. Where is the THRVTH NVKE?

>>70723312
Yes, the phone is provided by the company because it has a special app on it.

>>70723447
>being forced by contract to work like a five cent army on /vt/
that's fucking grim

>>70723436
>Separate agreement for live, concert, movies, TV, radio, commercials and merchandising
Like what the actual hell.

>>70723297
>>70723298
>>70723327
Its 70/30 for hololive after yt cut

>>70723505
The NDF panic is hard proof.

>>70723064
>1.3K
That isn't even enough for a decent gaming rig, much less a decent streaming rig

>>70723505 (me)
>one of three things
>I write four
I'll blame that on it being past midnight. Point is even if the dudes full of shit, it's about Niji so who cares?

>>70723436
Standard business shit, yeah. Wake me up when they actually try to prohibit people from discussing salary or something, that at least is illegal in most developed countries.

>>70723265
>do nijisisters really?
Indeed they do. Even if hypothetically speaking there's nothing particularly illegal or amoral in the contract, publicly releasing it is like a Christmas gift to Kurosanji's competitors. This is pretty fucking bad for them in the best case scenario. Nijisisters are understandably upset.

>>70723436
This is probably standard for this type of stuff desu.

Also, they probably do fuck over talents and play favorites

>Vtubers get 50% of the revenue Anycolor gets from youtube
so youtube and Anycolor split thier earning first and then livers and anycolor? how much youtube takes again?

Article 6 screws Luca hard

>>70722539
Vox died for this kind of defence. I can't....

>>70723334
Hololive does have a small debut fund as well. Bae and Mumei mentioned it on their off collab in Japan last summer. Bae said the debut fund didn't cover her entire debut costs and Mumei said she didn't even use hers. I assume Cover's fund is not too dissimilar from Niji's. Probably a couple K

>>70723436
tfw just no notice quit my job and already have 3 interviews at less stress/higher pay

fuck you

>>70723566
Retard

>>70723299
>despite the petite frame, that tummy is showing some pudge due to the force of gravity

People sell fucking SHOES for a 5% commission, how is a 2% cut for shitty acrylic stands (that sisters buy dozens and dozens of) without having to promote it at all BAD?

>>70723598
YT takes 30%

>>70723447
>"Social Media Disseminating" means blogging, tweeting, writing, and other dissemination of information as the Character on the Social Media Account
they could argue successfully that if instructed to shill here, that they would be bound by the contract to namefag using their character name.

>>70723566
oh shit really? damn, holo winning again

Someone needs to get LM to install vtube studio and use one of the default live2d models so he's legally considered a vtuber and therefore on-topic for the board.

>the invoice can get rejected even after they spend their money

>>70723660
Do you think this doesn’t apply to other contracts

my last job had me travel
company paid travel, granted, was shit travel, but never had to invoice them
also had a per diem, shit per diem, but still....

>>70723660
...when someone dropped the doxx on the dox site, weren't they larping as "Kyo"?
>New RRAT activated

>if anycolor summons you to japan you need to pay FROM YOUR POCKET to go there. Then you have 1 MONTH to issue the reimbursement or you cant ask for your money back.

>TIME LIMITED reimbursement
>for a FORCED international travel
what the fuck
i got paid $5k flat in advance to relocate for a job 3 hours away by car
and it's not even a big company

>>70723696
>elira and co. deems you unworthy of reimbursement

>You need to pay for all your travel expenses

>>70723598
Anycolor owns the channels. So when you send a SC, youtube takes their cut off the transaction, Anycolor then gets the payment and then reimburses the chuuba for their % cut

Getting 1/3 of SC and other YT money is completely normal. It's the same in Hololive.

But pretty much everything else is hilariously bad.

>nijisanji doesn't lend the talents money for projects or travel
>nijisanji expects you to bill them a timely invoice
>nijisanji can just say no

>>70723758
there are many ways you could potentially write that sentence. it's hard to predict whether other agencies use different wording, or similar wording.

>>70723655
Shoes are still worth more or less the same without the salesperson, acrylic stands of some random OC would sell fuck all

>>70723654
so
YT 30%
riku 70% (riku 35%,livers 35%)
huh this is standard vtuber corpo tho i thought they gonna takes more than that

>>70723655
it's niji so its bad even though the earnings split are standard for jp corpo

I'm pleased to see vindication on the reimbursement instead of prepaying claims

>>70723505
>lawyer-kun wouldn't risk his brand if it wasn't legit
Nigger what brand? He's a serial grifter that only jumped on the drama and is going to fuck off when this blows over. He's literally on record for backing scams and fraudsters.
>It's signed
Apparently it isn't. So for all we know it's a fabrication.
>A person comes forward and says it's theirs
Yea. Not gonna happen either.

So this seems to just be a case of
>Trust me bro!
And nothing more. Fuck me man this is what has everyone riled up? This is getting retards like >>70723571 sperging about NDF panic because their shitshow is a nothing burger?

>>70723805
Two. Hundred. Thousand...

>>70723759
man, we used the federal per diem for years, and then a few years ago they changed it to actuals. i ended up hauling a folder of receipts around in my suitcase for weeks.

>>70723849
Yeah, everyone knew that. What everyone memes is the merch cut that's said to be as low as 2%, but apparently different people get different cuts.

Oh that explains the no refunds

>minecraft and signature subcontracting was a violation of article 6

>>70723857
>Apparently it isn't. So for all we know it's a fabrication.
Are you capable of reading my post, or are you just this fucking retarded?

>>70723694
His stream's already on topic because it's covering the Niji contract. Threads only got deleted because nijijanny had a melty.

>>70723805
Someone less lazy than me needs to go back and look at the dates for all these big group trips they took.
Cause if I was a blackcompany and the contract looked like that, I would schedule things so they need to fly out near the end of the month and are still in Japan with limited computer access until after the 4th business day of the new month.

OH NO NO NO, DON'T LOOK LUCA

>>70723617
They also joked about it during a watchalong of Bijou/Bijoe/Biboo's debut about how she spent her entire budget on the animation and then had a basic powerpoint for her presentation. Worked out because that shit was adorable at least.

>>70723920
>What everyone memes is the merch cut that's said to be as low as 2%, but apparently different people get different cuts.
Sadly that part needs a signed contract.

>>70723624
>tfw just no notice quit my job and already have 3 interviews at less stress/higher pay
My honest reply is "Congrats dude!"
You learned what you're worth and I hope it keeps getting better for you!
My business is in an at-will employment state, and I have been direct with my employees that they don't have to give any "notice" if they don't need to, and I don't need to give them any notice even if we let them go without cause (as long as it is not because they are members of a protected class, et cetera). I am always prepared for anyone to leave at any time, because that's what the law allows.

>>70723660
This is libel!

is this a vtuber

>>70723857
Seething Nijisister

BB? That fucking bitch!

B B

lol

>>70723801
A lot of other stuff lines up with hololive's rumored operations too. I'd be really interested in seeing that contract and comparing it to this one.

>>70723857
Its afraid

>>70724008
In my opinion, it was not a form of harassment.

>>70724001
O shit you’re right

>more esl typos
they should hire just hire a native

>>70723142
>>70723112
Most Niji livers use streamlabs. Everyones paypigs will use streamlabs to donate.

>>70724050
AIEEEEEEEEEEE

>>70724008
In my opinion, I do not think it was a form of libel.

>>70723476
God damn! There's literally no point

>BB was behind Niji all along

>>70723896
hauling receipts is annoying
glad i don't have to do that

>>70723920
>but apparently different people get different cuts.
holy and they never change their merch right? everyone got the same acrylic stand and keychain right? damm thats evil they can and will play favorite

>>70724001
OHH NOOOOO LUCA!

>>70724001
AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE LUCA IS TERMINATED
GGS

>>70723591
It's not exactly good for future talents wanting to apply to Hololive either, in the sense that if Nijisanji's rates are now public knowledge, it's also feasible for Hololive to reduce their rates if they already know how much their competitors are paying.

It's just like gas prices in that sense.

>>70724111
eventually the expense mobile app got to where i could trust it with photos. eventually.

>>70722710
You can't sue someone for slander for releasing a contract

THATS NOT WHAT DEFAMATION IS I'M GONNA SCREAM

>>70724050
So it's the same shit at Holo?

>>70724050
>image only still no timestamp/clip

>>70724001
TERMINATED BY MORNING

YOU SHALL PROVIDE THE """""INFORMATION""""""

>>70724117
That's just an assumption since this contract doesn't specify a single amount and instead says both parties will reach an agreement on the cut % they'll get from merch, so, technically, they can totally play favorites if they wanted to.

>>70722710
>if this is Sayu's contract
>stream literally opened with THIS IS NOT A SIGNED CONTRACT
Go to bed, lil Timmy. The adults are talking about Kurosanji now.

>>70723805
No, they can't 'just say no' nigger. These are also pretty terms so that you don't get inept employees filing their entire yearly expenses in November. Have you people genuinely never read a contract in your life?

>>70724050
Ohnonono holobronies? Your response?

>>70723598
this is industry standard iirc.
>$100 aka
>jewtube steals 30%
>company takes 50% of what's left
>talent gets the rest
>taxes

>the liver must provide niji with "certain information" when asked for it
>The liver cannot stream without providing "certain information"
>The liver must not lie when providing "certain information"

What are your rrars?

The rrats... they cannot be contained...

>>70724050
She has since said they paid for her trip for the summer concert so obviously they updated the rules but you'll still use that outdated info.

>>70723968
Irony. That was an affirmation you clown.

The rrats are winning

>>70724152
I mean the shit Sayu said last year on her twitlonger and google docs. Niji could've sued her for that

>>70724200
Kuzuha talked about 2% and he's the golden child

YOU VILL PROVIDE ZE "INFORMATION"

>>70724254
if you lack critical information, you're FIRED

>>70724254
The Zaion dox...

>>70724254
THE DOCUMENT! THE DOCUMENT!

>>70724254
three sizes

>>70724170
the chat box is exactly on topic

>>70724050
Cover paid for Kiara's and Gen 3's travel expenses. Clearly it's just Moona (assuming that wasn't clipped out of context or mistranslated)

3D cheaper than live2D? really?

At bare minimum, this should help indies applying to corpos, so they know what to look for in their contracts before signing them.

>>70724281
What irony? I literally said in my post that it wasn't possible. You didn't have to say "it isn't" as if I was asking a question on if it was. Read before you reply.

So if I’m getting this right the livers are forced to fly to Japan when needed and have to pay out of their own pockets?
No wonder it mindbroke Shu when the concert was cancelled

>>70724009
To be fair to my previous employer I was a complete neet with a blank resume walking in, but they finally drove me off with 24hr scheduling with no compromise or compensation

>>70724167
It's the same shit everywhere, because it's basic shit.

>>70724288
>"Be a team player!"
He got bamboozled.

>>70724254
>he doesnt know the information
If only you knew

>>70723476
>You superchat $10, your oshi gets $3.5
That's actually way better than I thought. My oshi could feed herself using a $10 superchat. Fucking nice.

>>70724254
Wait, you can not be serious. The shitpost scenarios about NijiEN talents getting called into an online meeting and then being shown 4chan posts and getting interrogated is actually true? What kind of bizzaro world do we live in?

>>70724050
HUH

>>70724345
They get reimbursed... next monthly cycle.
So they take a $2k + Accommodation Costs for 2 months at most

>>70724343
I repeat; It was an affirmation. The irony is that you're blabbering about reading comprehension while lacking it entirely.

>>70723476
I thought phase was better than the norm

That Korone reaction is soul

>>70724001
KEK

>>70724288
He got 2% because he was the golden child. Others got 1%

>>70724254
updated rules because of fulgur's weight

>>70724254
Winrrar's, specifically?
It's a really bad translation of a term I can't even begin to guess at, likely. Possibly status reports? Dunno, MTL garbage is impossible to parse.

>>70724342
He's getting 7k people to learn to read their contract instead of going "tldr just gonna sign it". Well, hopefully.

>>70724417
fucking Danny D, we know you're /here/

>>70724342
And hire a fucking lawyer, Based Mindset said it since the first stream.

>>70724107
Mind you, that is BEFORE taxes. This is why you're more likely to see indies make streaming their full time job opposed to corpos that arent Hololive.

>30% Youtube cut
>35% Corpo cut
lmaaaaaooooooooooooo. Indies and Vshojo chads stay winning.

leakysanji

>>70723447
The Nijileaker (not LK) claimed that "at least" 2 livers got the green light from management to disclose certain information "anonymously, in another website". They've also discussed approved "grassroots" initiatives.

Even if you think the leaker is just a larp, you've got these two facts:
>Nyfco is used to anonymously coordinate NDF activities, Selen/Doki's personal information was discussed to craft smear documents
>Post-blackscreen tweet was very emphatic that livers were legally clear to say what they want about Selen/Doki

>>70724445
someone please send it to anykuro
if the fucker doesn't get terminated then we know for sure he's in the clique

Moona had some funds for her first original song though.

>>70724342
I assumed indies were smart enough to have their own lawyer look at a contract before signing it I hope they would think to do that

>>70724001
Does luca have consent from Anycolor? if he does then it's nothingburger

>>70723857
If grift, why give attention? Surely since its all fake and gay like yourself, you have nothing to be worried about?

>>70724322
For the models alone a good Live2D model would cost more than 3D. It's the same thing as 2D animation vs 3DCG. But 3D requires expensive equipment to operate.

Wow, this is a whole lot of nothing. Don't know what I was expecting.

>>70724445
Is this real? WTF how is this clown car still operational? gross man

>>70724350
>but they finally drove me off with 24hr scheduling with no compromise or compensation
Oof. That's is some bullshit.
Look, I'm fine admitting that I'm a cutthroat capitalist, but my company has pretty lax vacation policies. I would never fuck with people with last-minute rescheduling. Most of my employees have kids, and I want them to be able to like... go be with their kids at their big life events or whatever.
A lot of states are making last-minute scheduling either illegal, or at least more difficult. They are not the same states as the at-will states, but it is a trend and I'm fine with it.

>>70724493
>Vshojo
Doesn't Twitch take 50%?

You realize this is not for your eyes, right? Even viewing these documents is ILLEGAL

>>70724442
>That Korone reaction is soul
Cute hag.

>>70724469
If this is meant to teach people how to read contracts then things are dire indeed. This is sensationalist rubbish. Either hire a real lawyer to go over a contract for you or take a course in the relevant area, especially if you go work for a foreign company holy shit.

>>70724001
He didn't even give her money to do work for him though right? (kek she did it FOR FREE). Might not even be a subcontract

>>70724001
Ain't no fucking way... I am convinced Luca is Riku's adopted son at this point to get away with this much yab.

>>70724050
This shit is over 2 years old nijifag. Kiara literally just got business class flight paid for by Cover to go do work with Ina in Canada

>>70724558
Raz has stated she never signed an NDA

>>70724594
No, they changed it back to 70%.

>>70724517
That leaked shit isn’t real. They said Scarle was forced to collab with Aster. If you watched her you would know there’s no way she would even need to be forced into that. She also just said she’s happy there and won’t quit anytime soon

>>70724596
>You realize this is not for your eyes
It is now.
>Even viewing these documents is ILLEGAL
Wrong.

>>70724050
this was right after COVID lockdown so the implication at that time was that HoloID didn't actually need to travel to Japan to do HoloFes recordings because Cover already had a 3D studio rented elsewhere (probably Singapore)
nowadays, since they have their new studio, they'd want everyone to use it

>>70724628
She was paid

>>70724596
Keep on crying.

>>70724607
>>70724442
I think this guy is walking the line between trend-grifting and providing real value to viewers, but these drops are on point.

>>70724538
the only actually smart ones are shylily and filian

>>70724538
ngl i'm in this group, but i assume that most people just think
>lawyer too expensive ill just read it and sign it if i dont see anything obviously wrong

not knowing that companies know how to hide their scumminess and you need a lawyer to see the traps

>>70724596
What's illegal about viewing an unsigned legal document?

>>70724672
Nijikek...

>>70724672
I respect the attempt but it's too obvious to even call it bait

>>70724594
Twitch pays a 70/30 cut for their partners
>>70724493
Twitch subhumans never win

>>70724672
YEAH AND THEN SHE HAD A MEMBERS STREAM AND SOBBED FOR AN HOUR.
FUCK OFF, INTERN

>>70724560
>Worry
Nah. I'm hoping we get some actual shit on Niji and not this faggot ass LARP. I'm here because I was told there'd be some real shit happening and there's just this farce instead, coupled with some desperate drama tourists shouting anyone who questions it as though they're some psyop.

>>70724594
For Vshojo talents, Twitch takes 30%
And direct donations they take things like streamelements which goes entirely to the talents give or take transfer fees based on where the money goes.

>this is just sensationalist garbage

>>70724641
Damning...

>>70724672
Anon she cried in a members stream immediately following that collab

>they can force you into conferences(appeasing "investors") in person in a conference room(casting couch)

>>70724742
I watch streams

>>70724672
Are you gonna claim the screenshots were fake too?

>>70724594
It's 70/30 with partner plus.
>but that would be hard isn't it?
No.
https://twitter.com/GrapeChann/status/1763632881753113080

>>70724596
Nah.

>>70724672
I am going to pretend this is sarcasm anon, to help you save face.

monkeys haven't seen an actual contract are you guys actually jobless?

>>70724310
yeah but it mean jackshit if we don't know when she said this

anyone else sick of hearing about this fat bitch

Next time if you're going to bother releasing an expose at least make sure it has some fucked up shit in it. We just discovered their flights are paid for and they all get a generous 1300 dollar budget to cover streaming expenses. Everything else is business as usual. Keep losing, dramashits. NijiEN will rise like a phoenix from the ashes.

>>70723850
I'm excited to see the part of the contract that covers how personal projects are paid. My rrat is that the organ informs Niji of the cost and they take it out of the paycheck to pay the commissions from the Niji account. Since Selen's artists weren't getting paid, that money was being withheld from her paycheck and THEN she paid out of pocket so she paid double for some of her projects. A 15k MV would then become a 30k MV and it would explain how she paid 200k for projects

>>70724001
Which would be worse:
A.) Luca "subcontracting" his ghostwriter/Minecrafter in breach of contract.

B.) Luca getting approval from Nijisanji to have an assistant while Selen and Nina get blocked from doing so.

>>70724596
VERY THOROUGHLY

>>70724787
No you don't

so riku can force them
but i still believe elira and vox did it voluntarily

>>70724519
he's definitely getting fired, but it's not gonna happen this month because they are propping up and putting make up on the company for the investors. Expect a bloodbath starting april.

>>70724779
Were you there? Do you know why she cried?
>>70724789
I don’t think that

>>70724538
>"GUYS, 2% IS A LOT! THINK 100 PEOPLE, TWO PEOPLE IS A LOT!"

>>70724759
Was that ever actually posted? I remember checking for like a day after but found nothing.

>>70723574
Do you think these funds are for you to buy a pc?

didn't scarle say something like " im glad thats over" in her member stream?
I forgot what it was word for word.

>>70724808
where do you think you are? it's their first time seeing that people are expected to act a certain way if they are in a corpo

fucking ESl

>>70724824
>denies your $3500 forced travel invoice

>>70724591
Oh well that was one issue I think the schedule was only ever available 48hrs in advance, but they wanted me to work 8AM-4,4PM-12, 12AM-8AM all in one week lmao. Was a real clown operation I was trying to get to 2 years to round out the resume but just gave them a resignation letter and dipped.

>LUCA HAS BEEN SUSPENDED
LUCA HAS BEEN SUSPENDED
> LUCA HAS BEEN SUSPENDED
LUCA HAS BEEN SUSPENDED
>LUCA HAS BEEN SUSPENDED
LUCA HAS BEEN SUSPENDED
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1765248472331211165
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1765248472331211165
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1765248472331211165
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1765248472331211165

>>70724568
elira...
it's not too late

>>70722913
Niji's contracts impact vtubers

>>70724254
the best case is that the translation of that section is horrible. the worst case is that it's actually invalid, specifically for the reason he notes (Party A requesting information that's prohibited from disclosure by another contract or statute). the way it's written is extremely sinister and is by far the worst thing in this contract so far.

>>70724693
Oh shit, hope he's in the termination queue then KEK

>>70724910
>ISRAEL
holy guacamole

>>70724897
This nigger was actually taking notes from a comedy show for retards, damn.

>>70724910
>Not Towa Baby
Anonymous, I am disappointed.

#WHEREISELIRA?

>>70724910
Fuck you for getting my hopes up.

>>70724517
If they got the "green light", this contract implies that they have no choice but to do exactly what they were told. I think Kyo was seriously ordered to dox Zaion. He had to use his name because the name makes it so it's now part of his Vtuber Activities

>>70724910
OH NYO

>>70724910
OMG WOWWW

wait a second, if the gurrat is true, Elira (as management, on behalf of nijisanji) can literally force talents to stream

>>70724564
Oh I see, didn't know that, quite interesting.

>>70724050
Uuuh bros?

>>70724910
HORY SHIT ISRAEL

>>70724910
OHNONONONONO NIJIKEKS?

>>70724910
Am I missing something? It says he'll be there.

>>70724817
Yes, Elira really is starting to gross me out. We should have a campaign to have her amicably attempt to graduate.

>>70724843
>send diary snippets that weren't notarized or made legally binding by anything
>it gets read by third parties that weren't barred by anything from reading it
>"pls no look, legal document for realzies XD"
Selen's lawayer as well be the guy from the Simpsons lmao

>>70723849
nah riku takes 68% liver takes 2%

>>70724596
>Very thoroughly reads through your contract

>>70724617
Didn't say it was "how to read" I just said it would get people to pay more attention to their contract instead of just skipping to the line and signing it. Which happens quite a bit.
This dude is emphasizing a lot of stuff while speaking because its how he entertains I guess, but the content of what he's been saying is pretty normal. Unfortunately, I think the chat blows what he says out of proportion because he says everything in a gotcha! sorta tone.

>>70724874
They are for "equipments". New streaming PCs definitely fall into that category. What else are they for? Switch or Ring Fit?

>>70724824
>waits 6 months to reimburse your request

>>70725054
It's a common joke on 4chan.org to post a link to a tweet and claim that the tweet says something unrelated to its actual content. Many people will not open the link and assume that what you're saying is true and backed up by the tweet.

wow... nijisanji is so poor

Article 10 is fucking grim. Organ foots the bill. Article 10 says the moment they use it in the course of vtuber activities they can't use it for any other purposes.
My rrat that Niji uses organ personal funds to purchase assets for Niji ISREAL

>>70725114
It also probably has to cover the cost of the phone you use for the Live2d tracking/

>>70724445
how did the sisters take this?

>>70724434
Might be, Pippa just mentioned that she gets a good cut today.

Is this guy an actual lawyer? “Andrew Esquire” is unlikely to be his real name, can’t find any further info at a glance.

>procure the materials
sounds like being a teacher in america

>>70724824
In my opinion, that was not a necessary expense. I'll be taking that 1300 dollar budget back thank you

>>70724931
Anon. There's a reason these contracts will typically mention that in case of irregularities the Original (Japanese) Document prevails. Translation errors don't typically invalidate a contract.

LM is also just randomly speculating that they could or would request prohibited information which simply isn't the case. That's not even how contracts work.

>>70725086
Too old.

>>70725098
It's a shit contract that would only be considered normal in bullshit idol industries.

>nijisisters desperately trying to downplay an exploitative contract

>>70725183
"My merch is the one he personally signed."

>>70724493
>Indies and Vshojo
indies=most cant even come close to what corpo SC number after cut
vshojo= lol,lmao even,u can get vshojo money because u cant join them to begin with retardchama KEK

So now that the dust has settled and there's absolutely nothing suspicious or shady in the contract whatsoever, don't you think it's about time to apologize to the staff and livers? They literally did nothing wrong.

>>70724672
Funny how sisters keep regurgitating "Confirmation Bias! Confirmation Bias!" but suddenly you forgot about it when it might apply to you negatively.

>>70725178
>Tell livers they have to fund their own projects
>Fully own the projects for all time
>2%

>>70724785
Enough with Hololive. This is nijisanji thread.

>>70725214
teachers just outsourced that shit to kids for extra credit

>>70724596
>You realize this is not for your eyes, right?
retard
>Even viewing these documents is ILLEGAL
Retard.

>>70725253
no :)

>>70725253
What?

>>70724481
Being a 3 view indie you can make a living but as a corpo you're fucked lmao

>>70724824
>rise like a phoenix from the ashes
get kicked from con right away KEK

>>70725225
yes, but then... this one hasn't actually said that so far. i keep expecting to see that, but where is it?

>>70725178
>Article 10 says the moment they use it in the course of vtuber activities they can't use it for any other purposes.
In terms of equipment? That's just strictly not true, Doki's still using the PC she streamed with.

>>70725210
you trying to doxx him, nijisis?

キモイ

>>70724824
>denies your past achievement and terminates you for being uncooperative and ruins your reputation along with it
remember this what they did, not the drama tourist, not the dramatubers, not anybody else kurosanji did this first

>>70724824
Sister, it is only 5/30. Please be patient.

>>70725114
Streaming asset commissions, things you need for your new persona.
When you get hired as a contractor, you are generally expected to already be capable of doing the job.

>>70725334
She's not employed anymore so isn't the contract void?

>>70725223
Anon. That'd be fraud if it turns out to be a legitimate expense. It's a retarded take to assume it's the norm without some form of proof. Yes, expenses can be refused if they turn out to not be valid, that's utterly and entirely normal in employment contracts. Cut the crap with these weird fictions because you're just making valid criticism look bad by association.

>>70725334
article 10 is only about materials lent to Party B.

>>70725249
Enna more people are watching this than your bday, the dust is in your eyes it seems.

>>70725334
what's niji gonna do? sue her?

>>70724870
why did i read this in millies voice

>>70724596
I will now proceed to thoroughly read the documents

>>70725371
The contract specifically mentions equipment, not assets etc.

>>70725371
Except they aren't contractors. They're employees.

>>70725059
Go work on your next stream Enna.

>>70725408
And then Elira throws her a treat.

>>70725333
Would be pretty incredible if they left that out, but that shit is usually at the end.

total nijinigger death

need new bread soon.

>dramafags are retarded monkeys who've never seen a contract in their lives
Not surprised

>Party A may use the Account for the purpose of the management of the Program.
>Party B may use the Account within the scope approved by Party A.

>>70725386
Seriously lol the random retard "critics" that sprung up out of the Selen drama are doing a better job at mending Niji's image (through being retarded apes and blowing everything out of proportion to the point the public is growing numb and tired) than Niji ever did

>>70724596
We do a little crime~

>>70725467
kek

>>70725377
I mean what the fuck are they going to do, send Yakuza to her house to seize her PC? Demand she mail it to them? Lmao.

>>70725371
Streaming assets aren't equipment, are they?

skinwalking is real

>Party A not responsible for any damages for insufficient management
LMAO WHAT?

>>70725467
bruh what so they can basically use the liver's account for management duties

>>70725455
our paper has it on the top half of the first page. i do think it'll be there eventually (right?), but then they also failed to specify which "Civil Code" to defer to for things not in the defined terms.

>>70724617
Why make a gay post humble bragging about how cool you are on an anonymous image board? Nobody is gonna think that you are some genius for making an obnoxious post like that.

W A R L O C K

>>70724001
>LUCA
LMAO

>>70724596
Sue me bitch.

>>70725547
kek

>>70724808
>>70725460
is this working sisters?

>>70725545
At least we now have official confirmation to something we already knew

>>70725386
Fine fine I was shitposting at 1AM. I deleted it. Happy?

Ok so basically:
>Selen could NOT hire any assistant
>All expenses are not covered by Niji
>2k was a lie, it’s even lower
>They are contractually obligated to do any PR, so they can legitimately claim they were forced to black video

Shit I don’t want to shill for these livers because there is still much they have to explain, but if costs are not reinbursed:
>Be Elira
>go to Japan when this explodes
>you are on Visa
>The company basically tells you “do a video immolating you for us”
>If you say no you don’t get the trip and setup expenses back, end up probably without money
>Also remain indebted and blacklisted in Japan for contract breach, stuck there. Basically illegal immigrant level.
Fuck it, I truly wish for liquidation now, these people need their contracts burned.

>Selen are now relying to a low tier lawyer

skinwalker mod but real

>>70725545
That was surely never actually in doubt? There was never a genuine question whether or not they could, but rather that it'd be a really scummy thing to actually do. They make the accounts anon, of course they will use them when it suits them, how the fuck is this new information to you?

>>70725210
His last name is Mindset, first name is Legal. Middle Name is none of your business, doxxsister. You gonna make a new entry about his past life too?

selens a fat whiny bitch who leeched off everyone.

>>70724596

>>70725387
oh god, no. that's how it was supposed to be written, but with this phrasing it actually covers the personal property of Party B. what a fucking mess.

>>70725390
I doubt it's gonna happen but it would be funny if he got more in superchats here compared to Enna's bday

>>70725387
No, that's just the title of the section. The definition of the Materials is everything used in the course of their activities. The section header is irrelevant.

About social media
>Niji can post the livers account for management purpose
>The livers takes responsibility for the posts on their account
>Niji is not liable.
>The liver must follow the instructions given by management.

>>70725545
So they own it all, and costs of operation are on the liver? cool

>>70725387
That makes sense.

>>70725545
Wait, does that clause mean if management somehow leaks your password and your account gets hijacked, that's your problem?

>>70724824
>$1300 is generous
man, must be nice living in a mud hut.

>>70725615
>>2k was a lie, it’s even lower
2k was real at some point, the value given was in yen, and yen now is in the shithole, therefore, lower

>>70725577
>luca broke contract but is still kicking
no favoritism btw

>>70722872
VShojo wins again.

>>70724315
Moona one is 3 years ago while Kiara and Gen.3 just happened recently.
Even Kronii one from last year said her travel expense are covered by Hololive.

>>70724596
Are you being for real or making a funny jab at the news media's take on wikileak's Hillary dirt from 2016?

>>70725689
it would. it should be rewritten to say that. i was mistaken to read it that way.

>>70725686
See >>70725577

>>70725560
If it's translated from a Jap contract then it's just going to refer to the Japanese Civil Code. Not really much of a question there. The lack of specification is otherwise due to the fact that it is a template contract and not tailored to a specific individual, and AnyColor would then adapt it to apply to where the person they're hiring actually lives.

>>70725547
It referse only on information of the account, but basically means “we can lie while we skinwalk you and you can’t sue us for it”.

>>70725686
Read it again anon

>>70725455
Even on the translated Anycolor document for investors it was posted at the very top. I've never seen it at the end.
>This document has been translated from the Japanese original for reference purposes only. In the event of any
discrepancy between this translated document and the Japanese original, the original shall prevail

>>70723805
What happens if you have no money to go to japan because you work for nijiEN?

>>70725656
Reminder that Sayu, in her infinite wisdom used her Epic games account while in nijisanji and they kept it once she left (she tried to get it back but couldn't) So it covers any materials used for the activities

>All this nothingburger
YAAAAAAWN
NIJI WON AGAIN