/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>69371189
Because Hololive basically took the gamble on the western market before the rest. The rest just followed suit after Hololive EN was massively successful.

nijiEN have massive Western Simp

WESTERN CHINA

>>69371379
Nijisanji had English before Hololive

>>69371189
Idol lite stuff vs streamer with anime skin

>>69371417
Yeah and it sucked ASS

>>69371417
It was a recycled Niji IN, it wasn't a serious attempt.

>>69371189
Successful tard-wrangling

>>69371189
>Why does the company that bet on quality over quantity got a better hold over a sweatshop and a whorehouse?

>>69371189
Vtubing got popular in the west thanks to Holo clips. Then they had the first EN generation.

There were some that came before, but Are these 5 true daisenpai of western vtubing?

Cause they were the first and least retarded of the bunch

>>69371189
ironmouse is in danger of dropping into 3view shitter territory when she's not feeding off connor's sloppy seconds with his welfare raids that octuple her ccv, so putting her in the same picture as the (former) top earners of holo and niji is funny.

>>69371189
I'm not a faggot so I don't watch dudes. At least Homostars is separated for the most part. Hololive has Gura, Vshojo has Ironmouse, Phase Connect has Pippa but what does niggersanji have? A fucking dude.
Fuck off, I hope the Dokibird situation completely destroys them

>>69371189
> Cute shark girl
> Gay demon man-whore
> Whore
I wonder why.

>>69371417
Did they have a Christmas tree in Minecraft?
How about a pointless tunnel that went on for 800 blocks?
Did they have a yuri pairing to make all the lesbians have a stroke self-inserting as both dere dere and tsundere at the same time?

>>69371189
Niji panders heavily to twitter and Vshojo panders heavily to lgbtpedos, while Hololive dominates the general audience that's put off by abrasive talents like Froot, Kyou, and Finana. Furry is the only untapped niche I see left that a corpo could commit to and possibly join the billionaire club. Also, I doubt that any of the other general audience corps competing with Hololive will ever become big and profitable on the level of these three.

>>69371189
they don't stream and thus have fewer opportunities to generate retarded drama

>>69371478
Pretty much this if I didn't want to watch some twitch streamer them having an anime girl avi isn't going to all of a sudden want to watch them

>>69373558
This is, quite possibly, the dumbest fucking post I've ever read on this board. Congratulations anon.

>>69371189
Because Hololive is the only one that actually has Vtubers. At least a few.
Nijisanji and Vshojo are just a bunch of normie streamers with avatars. And a lot of whores.

>>69373792
Thanks for the (you). You're still never going to be a woman though.

>>69371189
Vox being a groomer of hebephiles would be their problem.

>>69371189
Myth brought vtubing as a japanese cultural product to the west and then managed to not drop the ball. Somehow. I'm as shocked as you are. It turns out hiring 5 otaku weirdos, to sell a japanese cultural product, was the right move afterall.

>>69371417

>>69373792
>wow anon, why did you type the truth out, that's retarded, have a downboat
an hero, fag

>>69373558
>Froot
>abrasive

Huh?

>>69371379
Fpbp

>>69371189
Well, their dominance is smaller than in the JP market but that's fair considering the less corpo-friendly attitude westerners have.

>>69371417
a rebrand of a branch that only existed in the first place due to some indian Nijisanji employees pulling strings does not count in any universe.

>>69371189
Nijisanji killed itself in the west, with multiple self-inflicted gunshot to the head.
VShojo is equal to one branch of Holo and Niji, it will never be able to compete.
Hololive already had a way bigger following than Niji in the west, that were watching HoloJP before Myth, HoloEN just expand it.

Hololive is closer to a record label while the other two functions more like multi channel networking.

>>69377168
nijisanji is the same as hololive in terms of business and administrative practices.
it's your average jp corpo

i'm more inclined to believe holomems from japan have more following than any vtuber in the west.

>>69371478
True

>>69371189
cgdct will always be more successful than out in the open whores

>>69371975
>but what does niggersanji have? A fucking dude.
They barely even have that after the Reimu fiasco kneecapped him.

>>69371189
Most of the EN competition is way too unhinged compared to hololive. I'm not saying holo girls act innocent all of the time. You just normally wouldn't hear things like piss drinking streams, fucking managers, rape asmr, etc.

>>69371189
First reason? First mover advantage. Second reason? They know how to tard-wrangle very well.

>>69379480
>the most watched vtuber in 2022 is a nijisanji male vtuber.
>the most watched vtuber in 2023 is a nijisanji male vtuber.
keep coping

>>69371801
Everyone plays to their advantages

>>69371801
connor never raids mouse though

>>69371189
Because everyone else keeps shooting themselves on the foot, repetedly. Also they deliver a consistent quality product and have been good at avoiding big YABs on the EN scene ever since the jap took over.

>>69373558
Shit I've never even really thought about it, but furries are a huge untapped market. It's already common knowledge among struggling internet artists that furries are loaded and their porn commission market is lucrative, imagine what they'd spend on streams.

>>69371189
They're just better
Nijisanji
>clique drama
>Chinese fujobait
Vshoujo
>literal whores
>trannies, politics, pity me
Hololive
>professional entertainers
>the perfect mix of music, art, humor, and gaming
>they all work as a team like one big happy family

>>69373558
>Furry is the only untapped niche I see left
Furry avatar streaming has existed in the west LONG before anime/vocaloid inspired vtubing. We would all rather not talk about it. It is also the primary reason why /wvt/ was relegated to trash for the longest time.

>>69371189
I'm going to be real here. The reason is Hololive literally doesn't hire normal people. They only hire losers, weirdo and barley functioning human beings and people find those entertaining

>>69371478
Yes, only this and the commitment to your vtuber persona. Vshojo and most western vtubers are just a streamer with an avatar. And it's proven that many people feel more comfortable seeing a non-human creature on screen, so it's okay too.

>>69382108
excuse you, that's OUR thing.

>>69371189
It's unironically CGDGT, as much as schizos will refute this frothing at the mouth or use it to shit on males or whatever. You can get the base Nijisanji EN experience from any 2view indie shitter on twitch. There wasn't much that did vtubing in the particular way that Hololive does it, especially when a lot of things antithetical to Hololive are seen a virtuous in the west (for both good and for ill). There have been attempts by other copros to do it like Hololive (Kawaii, Idol, etc.) and some that have carved out their own niches (Phase), but I think the secret sauce is still leaning more towards the idol side of things.

I really do think that's primarily why Holostars is still dragging so far behind the girls. They need to reign that shit in and push more CBDCT, because quite literally no one is doing that. K-pop stans are just sitting there not being pandered to, and that's like the one primarily female demographic that's got money to spend.

>>69380648
source: from my ass.
t. nijinigger

>>69382269
Please Phase you took that from Hololive, not like it doesn't work, so go for it. Not a single fucking normal person is Hololive.

>>69382461
Subaru's existence disproves this

>>69382320
male audience for CGDGT
female audience for CBDCT
but of course they push for "brotubers" while forcefully leeching from the girls, bringing in only nijifags who hate the holo girls.

>>69382406
do your reps faggot

>>69382752
Not normal anymore. Blame Luna the groomer

>>69382752
Subaru's the one exception, and that's her thing.

>>69382880
so no evidence and source really from your ass, as expected of nijifag.

>>69380648
now say it again without seething

>>69377289
> Debuts talents like rabbits in Mating season
> all ex-talent talks about lack of support
> Is very willing to throw terminated members under the bus.

You know what, it's not even MCN, it's a mlm/cult hybrid.

>>69371746
i never thought of myth as daisempai but you are absolutely right. This is the EN daisempais. Treat them with the appropriate respect.

>>69382320
some of it is CGDGT, but they don't always stick in that niche
Kiara curses nonstop
Mori does her rap star shenanigans
Gura was an old shitposter
Ame has a gun
etc

>>69371189
by "hololive" do you mean "gura" because the rest aren't much more popular really

>>69371189
They were the first serious corpo in the west that had an advertising budget, their management isn't literally retarded, and they arrived when everyone was stuck inside with nothing better to do but watch streams.

>>69383057
I'm not gonna spoon feed you.

>>69383495
I think all of this is compatible with CGDCT. What is your understanding of the term?

Compare Gura's content to Vox

>>69371189
Cover isn't an Idol Company but acts like they are
Niji is an Idol Company but acts like they aren't
Vshojo is Anime Club

>>69371189
No politics thats it
Not any of the other bullshit your reading /here/

>>69371417
is India in the west now???

>>69383722
how you gonna spoon feed anyone without source. kek.

>>69383495
I guess my definition of CGDCT is probably less strict than the standard, then. I think that stuff still exists in the realm of CGDCT whereas stuff like hetshipping with other talents, openly discussing SOs, politics, bringing up sexual history, etc. would be outside of it.

Typing that out does make me realize there needs to be a better term for what I'm trying to convey. Something more like sanding off the edges, more Japanese corpo-friendly presentation.

>>69382320
>K-pop stans are just sitting there not being pandered to
Isn't that Niji's target audience? I don't really watch Homostars, but judging from what I have seen they would do better on Twitch than Youtube.

>>69383495
CGDCT =/= kire seiso

As long as there are no males and talk about boyfriends and their romantic past or escapades, any chuuba can be CGDCT.

>>69381672
Hololive
>only ruined by manchildren with too much money

>>69384293
true they're very professional and corporate. I just wouldn't describe it as CGDCT.

>>69377168
This.
Hololive fells not only like livestreaming.
They actually are very music focused much like an idol company.

The massive IRL concerts and the giant VR tracking and modeling studio are a good example of these things.

>>69383495
Nigga CGDCT =/= Seiso

>>69384443
As far as the male side goes, I'm not sure exactly what the market for Niji is at the moment other than a mishmash of the chinese fujos still left (which is actually a complete misnomer but I don't know what else to call them and that's what everyone else calls them) and whatever the audience was pre-Luxiem. But I'm pretty sure k-pop stans aren't in there in any significant numbers with how Niji EN male talents generally operate (i.e. messy nerds and not actual idols).

At any rate, I think youtube is still the play for current holostars. On the grand scale they're relatively closer to the idol side than Niji EN males are. They kinda just have an identity crisis at the moment, and committing to anything would be better than this homunculus mishmash of direction.

>>69384443
It really depends on the talent and the collab partner if there is one.

Things like Regis + Kobo collab stream already has put the dude far far away from K-Pop girls fanbase for example.

Most of them act too much like bros and are not focused to pandering their audience like Vox does.

>>69377289
Take a look at their job openings anon. 1113 yen/hr for part bilingual talent managers. That ain't even minimum wage in some parts of japan.

>>69386629
Altare actually has a very Idol like in his 3D for example.
Specially the Chello parts.
And the dude has a killer bishonen soothing voice.

The man just does not pander to BFE... but looking at Vox... is probably the right move not begin parasocial.

But yeah. Now with 3D, the dude has potential to begin "The Idol experience" of Holostars EN and EN-VTubers in general.

>>69387414
Funniest part is the "we do not accept graduates" part of the offer.
This is because they pay under the minimum and if they did hire a graduate they will need to pay more.

>>69371189
Niji mismanaged their english branch to a ridiculous degree which is only now bearing fruit publicly

>>69371189
They didn't half ass it.

>>69371189
They have a better idea of what they’re doing.

>>69371415
Good ESL. You deserve a cookie.

>>69371417
>3 pajeet 1views

>>69371417
>WE HAVE EN AT HOME !
>EN at home

>>69371189
only the girls, holostar even being part of hololive in name they did not bring any succes to hololive.

>>69393429
What are the chances holostars eventually evolves into a profitable titan of male vtubing? Maybe they just need some time to get off the ground.

>>69381133
You said the reason why it doesn't work, furries are addicted to porn and don't accept anything else.

>>69390751
I've never seen them, but they have good models.

>>69390751
Noor's model being lost to the great recycle bin of failed vtuber models remains a crime.

because Yagoo didn't do what Riku did and became japanese lowtiergod.

>>69373558
>furry market
I've seen Buffpup clips with 1m+ views doing absolutely nothing funny or interesting, so I think that market has already been tapped.

>>69371189
because they focus on unicorns, or they used to at least.
>if unicorns are so important why is niji jp bigger
niji jp also has plenty of talents that are unicorn friendly. Their talent pool is just more diverse with whores and homos.

>>69371189
>hololive has Gura, the fucking Satoru Gojo of vtubing
>whenever she's not on screen every other character is asking "where's Gura?"
>the others don't have Gura
Simple as.

Half of Gura's gen mates are also top tier, such that even if she didn't exist Holo would still be a top contender and it would merely be a somewhat fair fight with them barely in first place. But with Gura there's no chance.

>>69393680
usually vtubers explode within the first week of their debuts, if they dont get popular after that 99% wont have succces or explode in popularity, is just wishful thinking and nobody gets anything out of it, specially investors and the biggest part of fans.

>>69371189
>the Western market
its literally just SEA. i dont think people there even know about twitch

>>69393952
Melody has been doing pornographic vtubing for like 5 years and there are some smaller names like el_xox out there too, some of which even sex offcollab streams using their models. The biggest obstacle would be finding talents and management that are degenerate enough to want it, but mentally stable enough to function as an organization.

>>69382406
It's true Kuzuha got more watched hours than Pekora but I'm numberfag enough to have it saved

>>69382320
god I would actually turn gay and watch homos if some corpo did a Nichibros approach. The bro approach is like nice and all but Nichibros is what I imagine for CBDCT

>>69371189
>Why does Hololive still have such a massive hold on the Western market? Why are they so successful compared to the other companies?
Gura and a lack of ambition on the part of other companies.

Sucking homo dick was miraculously contained to a few talents in Hololive so the majority of the girls are thriving and some just coasting off past successes.
Meanwhile their competition is a chink high school clique that hates their own audience, and even sidelined the girls in the company for the pozzed faggots, and then there's the twitch prostitutes, which are only bankrolled by mentally ill cucks that will ACK by the time they turn 30.

>>69371189
Unironically pure luck
>Cover was bumped to almost mainstream with the covid boom
>EN was done as a way to try and find a new cash cow after CN imploded
>Accidentally happened to be the first real major player to actually aim for the EN market
>Gura becoming a smash hit from stream 1#

>>69371189
Gura

Thats it, thanks to GURA they took a massive market share of the English VT space. And thanks to Gura their new talents get exposure if she does a stream or event with her and her fans will check them out.

>>69371189

because niji never even tried and vshojo does not have any interesting members

>>69404960
>>EN was done as a way to try and find a new cash cow after CN imploded
Close but not really.
When the China fiasco happened, HoloEN literally just debuted that month to massive success.
With CN's revenue being almost ID tier at the time(and that was way before ID got their boost from their first 3D at Holofes), choosing to purge the CN branch(and depart the chinese market as per the ultimatum the mainland goblins gave) to save international goodwill was a no-brainer.
With CN gone(they weren't high earners anyway), ID being ID, and EN as the last overseas branch with actual high potential for the future, investing in EN massively is another no brainer move.

>>69371746
ehhh, you could argue senzawa, natsume moe, etc before, but of the currently active ones sure

>>69371189
Is Vox drawn by the artist of Tokyo Ghoul from the main branch os is that just the generic fujo-appealing art style?

>>69371189
You'll never guess which one is a 3x vtuber of the year

>>69405797

>>69371189
Because Niji EN just terminated their most popular female streamer and westerners don't give a shit about some British twink doing boyfriend ASMR, and VShojo is nothing but regular streamers with an avatar.

You could give Chris-Chan a vtuber model and he'd fit in with VShojo.

>>69382320
The problem with holostars is that streaming is a very male dominated hobby, while anime boys are often repulsive to men (there is some truth in this comic, even if it comes from a bitter woman).

Maybe their designs should be based on shounen mcs and literally mes like Oreki.

>>69371417
Nijifag of any country wants to claim its origin.

>>69406158
>shows twitch records being set
What did he mean by this?

>>69371189
Because they give us the product we want.

>>69406841
aww

>>69384293
The word you're looking for is "phony bullshit", anon. And it's fine if that's what you like, but we all know you're also just tribal.

>>69371189
Because vtubers cater to the weeb market and weebs prefer pure anime idols over twitch thots who just want to hide their face.

>>69371189
Because the girls are the protagonists, and that's what sets them apart from the rest of the streamer world.

>>69371189
Because even when the fags(other vt companies fans) try to make them look bad, the fail to do so, they're basically drama free + they are fun to watch,

>>69371478
/thread

>>69373951
this

>>69371189
There was no Idol competition in the west Holo took this niche and no other Company has replicated it since muh IDOL cultulre le big bad

>>69382108
You are in no right to call anyone a loser while posting on 4chan

>>69371379
FPBP

>>69371415
Kek

>>69371379
Mouse and zentreya have been streaming as a vtubers since 2017

>>69371189
Because they were first.

>>69371189
Because best talents
Thats it. How can you not understand something so obvious and simple?

>>69371189
Gura

and to a lesser extent Cali, though shes more of a Japanese thing, she still hit hard at launch.

Gura was a meme lord with a huge following pre debut, and she really knew how to stroke the algorithm. say what you will about her work ethic, that girl has been youtubing since she was 15... almost a decade by the time she debuted for hololive, she knew how to work the system. So she exploded durring the pandemic when everyone was locked in their homes watching youtube. furthermore Gura sang a bunch of songs in her kareoke which hit non-traditional vtuber fans, giving her a music boost

Throw in cali, who while a horrible streamer just kept throwing banger after banger of solid "amature" rap music out there. it was talented shit. and it gave her a HUGE music boost, which drew a lot of eyes to hololive. probably more then gura did (from outside traditional sources)

that one two punch was what did it.

>>69371189
>Hololive
>first; largely safe content that can still be entertaining

>Nijisanji
>lmao

>VShojo
>mostly appeal to white Redditors but are annoying Twitch turbowhores so appeal to nobody else as that audience has already spent all their money on two dozen other Twitch thots and OnlyFans sloots

>Phase Connect
>the give no fucks insanity is its biggest strength since it produces lots of good content and allows the chuubas to be funny or creative but also it's biggest weakness as it's too much for most normalfags; the Harmony Korine of vtubing

>>69413347
lol phaseflip

>>69371189
Mouse is bigger than Gura in the west

>>69413615
Idk about that, but she's pretty big yes

>>69371189
You shouldn't have a Black company compared with Hololive and Vshojo, that's just embarrassing for the both of them.

>>69371189
>Idiots don't learn from history.
It's their pattern. Their success is always based on agility, not power, and their prosperity is tentative 10 out of 10.
Niji incident is just the beginning of the collapse. Soon the US will regain the pacific and the whole Vtuber world will be liberated under the glory of democracy.

>>69371189
HoloJP created a market for Hololive English, myth surpassed the expectations the existing foreign holo audiance had, and started a new era for vtubing.
The influence they had on the industry was so great, everyone who came after them had to base their branding as "NOT-hololive". Which is where the talent freedom and whole NijiEN fandom spawns from.
Hololive mentained and connected the culture of three branches, Myths success helped JP absolutely dominate the local market. In turn, JPs popularity enabled cover to upscale the business and provide good opportunity to their talents, all while trying to stay away from drama and building a internal culture where talents are treated well.
Meanwhile everyone else just indulged in the existing western streaming market, and failed to evolve their culture.
Anycolour did not try to understand their western audiance, did not bother to have a competent management, and did not have a long term plan.
They didn't bother as things were obviously going south in the branch, resulting in the current situation.
Vshoujo was too high on its talent freedom propoganda, got in too many controversies, their talents couldn't keep their shit to themselves. Resulting in their branding being poisoned.
Couple that with them being in a whole different ecosystem which doesn't care as much about vtubers, it's not possible for them to compete head to head with HoloEN, much less Holo as a whole.

>>69412406
>Throw in cali, who while a horrible streamer just kept throwing banger after banger of solid "amature" rap music out there.
I think it's only possible to believe this if you're literally retarded and have never actually listened to music in your life. Lucky for her, there are a lot of people like that. She was always the weakest part of Myth but making music made her unique, even if the music she was making was really bad.

>>69405709
yeah, 2020 HoloID were still runts. Doing their own thing in their corner of Hololive until PekoMoona hit everyone like a truck. Really put eyes on them for a bit and helped to boost the branch as a whole before ID2 came in.

God, I love ID2

>>69382269
Your entire meme post repertoire is taking hololive memes and appropriating them for your garbage ass bunch of nepotistic ugly trannies. Go back to playing Warhammer 40k you skinny fat faggot.

>>69371189
Hololive literally raised the western vtubing scene from the ground up, they invested in it when no else cared about it. Before HoloEN debuted the best you had was melody jacking off in Chaturbate, or disorganized twitch streamers with anime avatars doing the same shit they're doing now. They saw western demand for their product, accepted those foreigners into their fanbase and gave them their very own branch. If Hololive did not invest in the West Nijisanji wouldn't have made their English branch or Vshojo wouldn't have been formed.

>>69371746
Ina's powerstance never fails to make me laugh

>>69414331
>Doing their own thing in their corner of Hololive until PekoMoona hit everyone like a truck. Really put eyes on them for a bit and helped to boost the branch as a whole before ID2 came in.
ID1's first performance in Holofes was a huge boost as well, ID1 went hard there and wowed the audience, Moona especially gained a lot of attention just from her first live performance of High Tide there.

>>69413615
a bigger disappointment to her daughter maybe

>>69417428
>They saw western demand for their product
>"Gaijins love manipulating images"

Reminder:
Enna claims to be a virgin to appeal to her femcel audience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l1LhoVKBUw

But Enna has dated and moved in for more than a year with multiple boyfriends and fakes being a femcel for viewer engagement
https://streamable.com/52f2jr

Also Enna craves BWC and fucked Kyo during their offcollab
https://streamable.com/qj593c

>>69395405
As a Xenoblade fan I can tell you artists would have HATED to draw her.

>>69371189
>>69405797
>>69406158
Put me in the screencap, Parrot.

>>69414120
Overall, it is a good summary of Hololive.
I think the deciding factor for Cover to create an English branch was ultimately the amount of views translated clips on YouTube were getting, the amount of them that were being spawned every day, and last but not least - Kiryu Coco's popularity, not just amongst JP, but internationally.
I think they were flirting with the idea of having an international branch for a while, but only after seeing so much demand in real-time did they decide to skip the middleman, and go straight to HoloEN instead of having either half-and-half, or drip feeding translated clips to the western audience.

>>69405751
Shame, where are they now?

>>69371189
>found vtubers from within hololive clips bleeding out into mainstream media
>like it but sucks when you have to wait for clippers to translate
>some time later they start EN branch
>oh nice it's the same cute & funny shit but in english now
>i can watch a stream directly now

>>69371189
They don't
:^)

>>69371189
Hololive: imo I see majority of holomems as cute/funny, emulates a lot of slice-of-life vibes from their interactions, also good PR and merch strat, YAGOO being the most wholesome guy. Also each gen usually has good group dynamic and don't just merge into a singular glob of vtubers you can't name
Nijisanji: has a lot of banter, sometimes too much for my taste. There's a lot more freedom to do shit like collabs but at the same time they can't do giga big projects like an irl sololive and so on. They thrive off of multiplayer games but besides that the talents themselves can't make interesting content by their lonesome. Pomu was the hardest carry and they lost her
Vshojo: ironmouse hard carry, very clippable, contagious laughter, but at this point majority of the vids that I've watched seem a bit samey. Also feels like there's only mouse and her friends whenever I hear vshojo

>>69383581
Everyone else in holo can either solo a niji or even handle 2 in a subcount/ccv fight

>>69396244
The only concerning one in myth imo is kiara with her weird takes and sometimes her inner kiaren seeps out

>>69396244
Even when they hire you at Niji they ask "Where is Gura?"

>>69424207
kiara is myth’s premier tard wrangler and idol lover, if she wasn’t in myth then they’d probably be a lot more disorganised and lacking experience of true idol culture

>>69424418
She's the biggest most obvious self insert character in the entire branch and it ruins my immersion

>>69414212
> She was always the weakest part of Myth
i always believed it was ina because she’s insanely boring and her whole gimmick is art, what makes calli so bad besides her initial “i hate idol culture” comments and bad music?

>>69371189
Because the behavior the girls are expected is basically 1950s American Women. Still have some of that girl power stuff and moxie here and there, but for the most they are feminine, largely apolitical, friendly, funny and most of all aren't ashamed to be skinny and cute.
Then a yab happens here and there and the kayfabe breaks for some and the ones that understand forgiveness are able to immerse in the illusion again while the one's who can't forgive become antis or just go "EN2 when?"..."EN3 when?"...."EN4 when?"...

>>69424667
Ina is consistent enough withbher content that she has a solid following from drawfags and nerds who relate. It doesn't mean she's weak though, she's just plateau'd
Ame overall has the biggest contributions imo to myths success with her stellar peeformance in getting shit done but lately it seems she's lost a bit of that drive as now everyone else in her gen have gone and started doing their own niche things
Gura is just gura. She's very marketable to kids and adults alike, has enough sense to ride the sponsorship deal route and spammed a whole fuck ton of projects back to back solidifying her mark as a mascot
Same with Mori except hers is more on the musical side of things. She's tapped into her rap/hiphop niche which took in a lot of attention from the more streetwise population of japan hence the ambassador perk with gura
Kiara imo is the most likely to graduate first out of all of them as the main reason for her to get into hololive was to interact with her oshis which can't really take you that far into the industry. Right now she seems to be jumping from collab to collab without doing much else after she's given up on trying to be a kpop-like icon (because honestly her singing voice is just too mid)

>>69425133
>given up on trying to be a kpop-like icon (because honestly her singing voice is just too mid)
So does this finally prove that sometimes hardwork just isn't enough if you have no talent in a field?

>>69371189
>western market
Isnt like half of holoens 'english speaking' audience SEA lmfao

>>69413615
Lol
Lmfao

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