/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>6201036
Nijicope

>>6201036
Chicken got outnumbered on her own birthday fucking kek

>>6201051
Who?

>>6201170
coco is at 10

>>6201036
Sui at 9 is surprising for a 30 MarioKart solo stream.

>>6201198
Who?

>>6201170
The one that got kicked out, Cover and Anycolor i.e. corporation hate!

>>6201051
kinda funny that #1 is also someone leaving a huge talent agency

>>6161359

So Pekora, Marine and Gura undisputed top tier of Holo or Gura doesn't count because she doesn't get the 20k average

>>6201036
less than 2 hours and she already has over 50k subs

I love Ayame so much!

>>6201325
Her English fanbase is split between two regions separated by an ocean, so it seems fair to round up.

>>6201211
Yesterday was abit of a dead day, there weren't alot of monster 20k+ streams so some of the lower performing streams got the chance to shine

what is that monstrosity
straight from cheap korean mobage
how the hell is it gaining subs

>>6202618
the BRAND name

sakusan saikyou
150k chuba casually dabbing on nijisharts and holowhores

>>6201036
Who the fuck is this Kanon girl and why are the Japs sperging over her. Is she a famous voice actor or something?

>Full EN collab only gets 2k more viewer peak than Gura's solo stream yesterday
I don't get this, does EN just share the same pool of viewers much more so than JPs? Seems like full EN collabs always underperform compared to what you'd expect from their individual viewer numbers.

>>6203608
their collabs are bad

>>6203608
Gur obviously has a lot of people who are only watching her else there wouldn't be such a huge sub gap
even on here the different girls fandoms seeme to be way more split up than the japanese ones

>>6203067
She participated in some apex tourny and did really well, so she got alot of eyes her way.

>>6203608
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/vltsTKKqzBo
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/JgW-7lHQBZw

These are the last 2 full gen HoloEN collabs I think and they both did well numbers wise, altho both collabs had "big announcement" tied to them. Today was an underperformance, but Kiara has always been the most unpopular holoEN so collabs hosted on her channel probably do worse than on the other channels. Also, it was at 3pm for me on a weekday so not exactly a great time.

>>6203608
debuff channel obviously

>>6201051
>>6150498
これはココなしのホロライブです。ココなしでホロライブを見るのは、お皿を使わずにカレーライスを食べるようなものです。完全に根拠がない。ホロブロを教えてください。これからあなたがそれを知っているとどう感じますか?

>>6204472
The first one is incredibly old and still on honeymoon phase. The other 2 are tied to outfit reveals.

>>6201036
Just 37k for Kiara's birthday is surprising especially when she even got the JPs to call in. She didn't manage to get number 1 on her bday. Why so low for a special event?

>>6204472
Do we have Trinity/Takamori collabs for comparison?

>>6205765
I think her birthday SCs are also around 31K, so she could only beat Ame's birthday SCs from EN.

>>6205892
24k and 12k respectively.

Kiara's stream is at a bit of an awkward time. Late for the JP viewers, middle of the work day for NA viewers. Add the fact that Kiara is also the least popular, Ayame's back on stream, Korone is playing Mario, and the mysterious COUNTDOWN that started.

Unfortunate for the birb. She has to play on too many fronts while having a few things that filter people from her. Her numberfagging makes me feel bad for her but her new song seems have some lyrics that address it. To be honest though, when I see someone like Aki who's worked so hard and grinded it all out and still can't even get 100k views on months on well crafted MVs, I have a bit of a hard time feeling bad for Kiara.

>>6205765
7-9 AM west coast. I had to take the day off work.

Hololive cooking something big for “YouTube music weekend”. Looks like some sort of relay?

>>6208489
More on that
https://youtube-jp.googleblog.com/2021/07/youtube-music-weekend-vol3.html

Potential for big numbers for attracting an audience outside the usual VTuber viewership?

>>6208489
>>6208587
Oh boy I can't wait

>>6208587
With such timeslot? nah. Weak lineup as well.

>>6208489
Glad Roboco's getting in on it.
Her voice is so special.

>>6209119
If it's JST it might have a chance. It's basically night club time.

>>6209119
>Weak lineup
It’s pretty much all Holos that can genuinely sing (or do that for a living anyway). With the exception of Suisei I don’t think anyone that qualify is missing

>>6208587
>Robocco
>Music Weekend

How? Did Cover suddenly forget they had a certain blue Vtuber that was part of their music focused branch and makes her own music?

>>6208587
31m sub 1m views kek. I doubt it, more dead subs than Gura.

>>6208489
>roboco
fucking niceeeee

>>6209119
>>6209288
Honestly rather than choosing people who can genuinely sing it's more of choosing people of old times. If you look at the other people you can see clearly that they're choosing a lot of old dogs like YuNi, Lefty Hand Cream, Superfly, Aimer, Utada Hikaru. Of course they're still popular even now but you'd think if they wanted to get some mad views with current popular songs they would have invited the likes of Yuuri, YOASOBI or Yonezu Kenshi. Rikka and Mori are chosen to represent Holostars and HoloEN I think but Sora, Roboco and AZKi are the pioneer of Hololive. Look at the Nijisanji lineup and this theory is pretty likely.

>>6209529
nijisanji is using it as a way to tease blu-rays and album releases
just happens that both kaemito are putting out some

>>6204472
Even then 40k for a full gen collab with a combined 8 million subs is pretty awful when you look at gen 3 consistently getting 100k+ with a combined 6 million subs

>>6209288
Quality doesnt matter. They mostly sing idoltrash anyway.

>>6209771
ogey

Irys overtook Finana and Pomu in 7 hours...

Any guesses as to the new Vsinger's final number before debut? She's at 116k and it's only been 6 hours since the announcement (she also got some of her earlier subscribers purged by YouTube so she actually should be higher). I expect things to slowdown of course but we could be looking at a 200k-250k subscriber count before she even debuts which is fucking insane to me. Makes me remember Coco joking about how new gens might have 500k subscribers before debuting which seemed ridiculous back then but may not be something out of reach now for future EN debuts.

>>6210104
500k

>>6210104
300k

>>6210088
too strong

>>6210088
>has the backing of Sony
>Supposedly the number 1 vtuber agency in Japan
>gets mogged by a vtuber that hasn't debuted yet in less than a day
The absolute state of Nijis

>>6210104
200k

>>6210202
Reddit boost is just too strong. They need their Coco.

>>6210118
500k is abit too much anon... Then again, I only predicted 250k-300k for Coco's graduation so what the fuck do I know.

>>6209625
It's 7AM for JOPs and 6AM for SEAs. Half of their fanbase is asleep or waking up at the time and on a weekday too. 30k+ for American and EU time is okayish.

>when you look at gen 3 consistently getting 100k+
The industry is still considered niche in the west. Why are you trying to compare a concert going live on JP primetime, a county with the most vtuber fans, to an EN collab, are you fucking retarded?

>>6210202
I know nijis pump a lot of MVs from their streamers, but is there a liver that does mostly music for her career?

>>6210425
NTA but there's Chima I guess.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo7TRj3cS-f_1D9ZDmuTsjw/videos
You can see there's a lot of utawaku there.

>>6210202
Why do non-Hololive vtubers even exist? I mean, come on, at least try to collab with them or something instead of doing the 'numbers don't matter' cope.

Yesterday's superchats

AYAME IS TOO STRONG
>Stays out of sight for pretty much a whole month
>Ahead in pretty much every metric than even heavy hitters as Botan and Mio

Momentum is the hell of a thing and Ayame is the poster child of the "moe sells" philosophy

Is a jpg really gonna get 250k subs before she even says a word?

Holobrony Niji antis in JP are already using this as fuel to shit on Nijisanji and NijiEN. Tribals have no shame.

>>6211303
hayato celebrated his 2nd anniversary, and unveiled his custom gundam
https://twitter.com/dreammoon0914/status/1412422001529176075?s=19
sasagy unveiled a new outfit
ib went over his 3D debut

prediction for kanae superchat?

>>6211536
20 mil yen
Just kidding. I don't know what numbers he or Chronoir pull so how do you predict? He's premiering a song in a bit but that's just a song.

>>6211456
>unveiled his custom gundam
thats really fucking cool
not a big fan of the design itself since i like the simpler early designs like zakus and the ground type gundams but still

>>6211399
>Is a jpg really gonna get 250k subs before she even says a word?
Yes. And given that it is a VSinger she doesn't even really need to get any live viewers other than in live shows.

>Holobrony Niji antis in JP are already using this as fuel to shit on Nijisanji and NijiEN. Tribals have no shame.
Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls. Ignore and scroll past

>>6211316
>No streams for a month
>57K subs gained
>3.9M views
Cover songs pay dividends.

>>6211712
I don't get why they use that as trolling material when they don't watch HoloEN or NijiEN to begin with and don't even know english but still numberfag about them.

>>6211751
Just because certain loud parties claim not to doesn't mean the thread doesn't, and I'm sure you'd be more than familiar with that now if you aren't a schizo yourself.

>>6211751
>I don't get why they use that as trol-
Anon, the nature of trolling is to get a response from their intended audience / victims.
The fact they don't even care about whatever their targets care or about what they are using as a blunt instrumetn makes it even a better troll.
As they don't they any emotional investment with any of it it is all profit without any cost at all.

>>6211727
>Cover songs pay dividends.
She's releasing another one on the 10th. If you think really hard about it Ayame is what AZKI could have been if INNK had managed her better: a sporadic streamer that shows up live once in a while for zatsudan and collabs, but whose main numbers drive is cover songs and appearances in official material and collabs.

>>6211536
Not sure, but I became happier ignoring numbers lately. Thinking about how did nijis or holos get this much yesterday. Life became even more simpler if you don't think too hard of another person's success and be happy for your oshi instead. There's things in life that could satisfy you better than constant numbers. With that said, give or take 25-30k for kanae today kek

>>6211399
>Doesn't know that hololive sub game is unmatched.
How new.

>>6211964
Why are you even in the numbers thread. Predictions based on data doesn't have to be a pissing match if you don't respond to bait. Moreover, praising the numbers doesn't mean they are the best or the worst. It just means they have more mainstream appeal based on demo and timezones. If you are insecure for your oshi because they can't bring in the numbers then imagine your oshi themselves. The only people that won't give a fuck about their numbers are the people that are already successful because their managers won't show them depressing statistics. The meme right now is that the Holopros ain't relevant in JP but they are by far the most advertised right now in JP showing up in supermarkets, convenience stores and soon in national tv commercials. Those can only happen because their numbers say they are relevant. I'm interested what their paycheck looks like for those deals and what the profit distro is.

>>6212136
People measure success differently as well. A lot maybe be happy with their current standing whatever that may be.

>>6212114
Makes me wonder if holoEN 2 could get 500k subs before debut.

The new girl's about to pass Elira and it hasn't even been a day since the announcement. What the fuck!?

>>6212136
>The meme right now is that the Holopros ain't relevant in JP
That's an old meme from years ago that carried over to here and it hasn't been true in a very long time.

>>6211399
Kanae doesn't have 1 mil subs, I guess he won't make much money today.

>>6212175
Brand power. She's technically just a jpeg right now.

>>6212168
I don't think so. Safe bet would be 200k. HoloID got 100k right off the bat. But if one of them goes viral because of their Debut like Gura, I will not be surprised if they do get 500K right after debut. I won't be surprised if all get a minimum of 100k live viewers. Debuts and costume reveals are big events for Hololives.

>>6212204
A 350k sub guy (Fuwa) got the highest earning stream in Nijisanji, I have no fucking idea how to predict their numbers.

>>6210202
Nijisanji lacks these things:

>No Reddit buff
>No Taiwan buff
>No China buff
>And No chinese bots buff

Also they lack someone like Coco, whose mere presence completely shaped the hololive we currently have. Legit a living legend. If you disagree with this statement then that means (You) are Zhang. Shut up Zhang.

>>6212175
Elira can play games for 12 hours a day (not even kidding, she did 6 hours of apex, then genshin off stream, then morning karaoke, then more games) and sing like this: she's perfect.

https://streamable.com/m4qe3a

>but she's bad because fewer subs.
I don't get the logic.

>>6212234
A pity sub for hologfas gives you a min of 2k-5k subs during endurance streams whoever you are. A sub to fresh meat is a min 100k by the looks of it.

>>6201136
There was a KFP trying to argue that Kiara would hit 100k

>>6212263
>I don't get the logic.
Numbers are everything here, in /numbers/.

>>6212263
In the numbers thread, numbers reign supreme. Outside of it, yes, she is great and cute.

>>6212175
Hololive INDONESIA had 100K subs before debut. 200K after debut. Nijisanji should be feel embarrassed by this fact.

>>6212285
i'm just saying, it's inevitable they will pass Risu yet Risu is a better singer. I can already claim this, cause she's that good.

>>6212263
>bad
That’s not a numeric qualifier anon. I doubt people would use any sort of “subjective” adjectives in this humble thread whose only reasoning is
> big number > small number

>>6212175
Feel sorry for them because in terms of quality Niji EN shits all over Holo EN but Niji just doesn't have the brand power of Hololive in the english speaking sphere

>>6212263
Just be thankful she a bigger audience now. She's doing better than 90% of all vtubers right now.

>>6212168
Subscribers won't grow past 200k. But it will definitely double in size when she debut. don't expect high live viewers either. I expect less than a 100k ccv.

>>6212337
im actually glad she doesnt have a billion subs. her chat is perfect and she can interact with everyone cause it's not chaos.

>>6211964
i never numberfag my oshi, im here just to fap to big numbers and call out nijinigs and holobronies

>>6212330
Don't pour your subjectiveness all over this thread. I can say Ina is better than Elira, Her game choices are better. She has a skill that is renowned and is being utilized for Charity alongside Hatsune Miku. She's getting her own panel talk on Pixiv. I can say all that but her numbers is what matters here.

>>6212263
No one cares about your opinions nigger. Unless Elira wows us with some mind-blowing feats then she'll remain irrelevant. Literally brought nothing new to the table. Just a waste of space indie tier garbage bin level chuuba.

>>6212368
Who is your oshi

>>6212407
fufinyama ch.

>>6212264
Been that way since Gen5. Botan literally got 100k subs before she debut.

>>6212402
Considering she's already done stuff with Kanae off stream she's not doing too bad so far imo.

Wonder if vtubing is gonna be taxed by JP government in the future. Giving 30% to Susan doesn't look too good.

>>6212239
It's pretty obvious that Nijisanji suits are artificiality manipulating those superchat numbers. I wouldn't be surprised when they get exposed to ghost superchatting their own livers.

>>6212175
I'd be very surprised if she gets less than 250k subs before her debut. My estimates are 300k predebut, 500k by the end of the month.

>>6212449
It already is, it's called income tax. Doesn't matter if you earned it from americans simping at you from across the internet or from a japanese corp paying you, you still gotta pay.

>>6211964
>Goes to numbers thread
>doesn't like numbers

>>6212330
>Niji EN shits all over Holo EN
In your dreams they do. But this is reality. So Wake the Fuck Up nigger.

>>6212506
>there are people that think Kiara is better than Elira or Pomu based on a sub count
amazing

>>6212485
It's way too fast to be astroturfed that way especially considering the limit of a supa. Take GDQ on Twitch. They get big lumps of thousands of dollars anonymously. Fuwa got so many supas so fast the stream lagged the entire time. Anycolor aren't competent enough to pull that kind of synchronized supa spam off.

>>6212239
Different SC culture aside, if you look at lower subs Holos it's obvious Holo sub boost is also accompanied by more dead subs than Nijis and even some indies. e.g. compare Fuwa and Iofi. Even reclining female Nijis have more viewers than Holos relative to the sub difference.
The reason is kinda obvious. Niji's fandom is kinda fragmented and people only sub for Nijis they like and watch somewhat more often. There are alot more Holofans who are subbed to Holos they barely watch because idol content means loyalty to the agency as whole. I know because I do the latter as a Holofan, while I only sub to Nijis I actually watch.

>>6212515
I hate the chicken as much as the next guy but Elira and Pomu aren't exactly special either (the fish is definitely worse than the chicken though).

>>6212515
>>6212574
Buddy you seem lost, this is the numbers thread, not the coping thread. The nijiEn thread is two blocks down.

260k subs btw.
>Anya has more subs, and will never earn this much in her entire life

>>6212505
To be fair, it's only live views and super chats nowadays. Numberfagging isn't that fun anymore after Coco. You might get to see Hayato surpassing Gura or Kanae surpassing noel or Kuzuha passing Kanata someday in superchats but there's literally 5 other Holos that still reigns on top of them. What I want to see is the financial reports of both companies, and how much clean profits they earned with all their revenue.

>>6212485
Top Holos get weekly SC accumulation higher than Fuwa's one-time hit so why do you need to invent convoluted, spurious, unlikely rrat about the one-time hit being an op? Most Nijis barely got any superchats in normal days, their fans obviously have saved their shit up for events and important days enough to throw them large amounts of SC in those events.

>>6212596
We never will.

>>6212545
Not only that, it would raise red flags in banks and agencies if there is a lot of money movement between a few accounts to single location. They risk being flagged as a money laundering scheme.

>>6212441
As I said. Elira & friends brought nothing new to the table. Just look at Coco for example. When Asacoco spawned and It was considered the most unique thing any vtuber had ever done. That is the creativity that I know is needed to grow. Asacoco literally had Nijisanji fans tuning in as well. At the time Coco was so popular that every person she collabed with was branded a Leach. That's impact if I've ever seen one. And it was All from hardwork.

>>6212596
>What I want to see is the financial reports of both companies, and how much clean profits they earned with all their revenue.
lmao this thread can't even predict graduation numbers correctly let alone this level of numberfag that actually forces you to think instead of being a thinly veiled /tribalfag/ thread using public easily accessible numbers that a retard could google away

>>6212422
>fufinyama ch.
Seems cute.

>Kraken-girl 14y.o.
Huge debuff right there, there is a reason Haachama dropped the "4yo kindergarten genius" from the start and changed to "18yo".

It is one of the things that hurt Luna the most, "0 years old baby" won't be lewded and without lewds numbers will hurt

>>6212596
Cover's financials should come this month while Nijisanji won't be until next year, right? I'm actually more interested for next year instead since Cover seems to be ramping up their merch and collab game. I guess the numbers that the chuubas were pulling finally reached a point that it was too hard to ignore for the suits.

>subs matter.

>>6212661
shes an actual 14yo. prime groom material.

>>6212670
of course Coco shits on everyone, but the point is not everyone is Coco and Rushia, who don't have the most subs either.

>>6212506
I still think NijiEN wave 2 will get IRyS' numbers during debut. HoloEN 2 seems like it won't be that much of a hit looking at IRyS' recent stagnation.

what warrants such nijicope?

>>6212670
Correction, NUMBERS matter. Not some numbers. ALL NUMBERS. This is the NUMBERS thread not the PURELY REVENUE thread or the PURELY SUBCOUNT thread or the PURELY LIVE COUNT thread
Number Unity.

>>6212687
Nijisanji won't ever get big EOP views, and that's okay cause Elira has the best EN chat i've seen. Also Pomu. They interact often, there is no spam, it's nice.

>>6212485
I shall seize and redistribute this easily believable low quality Rrat.

>>6212687
>I still think NijiEN wave 2 will get IRyS' numbers during debut.
so many cope in the number thread today

>>6212707
Okay but I don't remember asking about how enjoyable they are to watch.

>>6212697
They're on full cope mode after irys passed all their NijiEN under 12hr after being announced.
Expect it to get worse as debut comes and whenever Gen2 gets announced.

>>6212203
Are we going to pretend that we're not >80% Holofans here or something? I have never seen this meme being pushed aside from by falseflaggers and never without pushbacks and counters from people here.
That being said it's true that Nijis aren't as irrelevant in JP as their numbers would indicate. The extreme difference exists in overseas where Holos easily lead. I don't think Holo-Niji's difference in popularity are extreme enough in JP to decide with certainty which group is more popular.

>>6212687
Anon... Don't give them false hope. Them pulling the numbers they currently are is still better compared to when they were indies. But unless a Coco-tier talent waltzes into Niji and changes the game for them, NijiEn will always be the 8th seeded team in the playoffs. Good enough to be in the postseason but never great enough to win it all.

>>6211536
Anyone? No one? This dude is pretty big

>>6212679
>shes an actual 14y-
OH SHI-
>turns 360 and walk away

>>6212687
NijiEN2 will perform even worse. They won't benefit whatsoever from a gen that literally does nothing to stand out.

>>6212781
30k-40k like his previous bday.
https://playboard.co/en/video/qH0fTUkwvRU

>>6212687
>I still think NijiEN wave 2 will get IRyS' numbers during debut

>>6212781
Literally no one watches non Holo chuuba including me in this thread, why would you ask here?

>>6212712
The state of holobronies

>>6212707
>Numbers thread
>NijiEN numbers being small is a good thing
Holy cope

>>6212769
Naw, they will mog all the start ups and be in third place by a country mile. Also there are at least 10 livers on the horizon before summer of 2022. By volume they will be bigger than HoloEN.
>>6212801
No, I think the first 3 built up tons of hype and laid a good foundation. They got 100k subs really really fast. The brand is there.

>>6212814
Then why is there Niji info in these threads as well as all the predictions and speculation for Fuwa, Tomoe, and Ibrahim?

>>6212758
well, it is quite embarassing indeed, to lose to a shitty png with zero content, no tweets, no songs, not even a voice sample
but that of course was still expected, by literally everyone, even the most hardcore nijifags.
i thought people are already past acceptance stage regarding holo debut boost, yet the thread is full of nijicope.

>>6212758
By your logic I should be watching holoID if subs are all that matter.

>>6212239
Holos have more dead subs (or to be more precise "solidarity subs") in general. Their subs are far higher to offset this though, and gachikoi pandering among top Holos basically ensure they're going to be at top of the SC food chain for a long time.

>>6212830
The state of nijishitters if they ever fall for that crap.

>>6212801
>literally nothing
you don't even watch them. they actually do stuff together and have a group dynamic that holoEN and vshojo dont have.

>>6212853
Ever notice the only Nijis being brought up are either top dogs (basically just Kuzuha) or have their 3D debuts incoming or just very recently?

>>6212841
Flooding the market is a bad strategy for their own streamers.
Good for the company since they get more revenue sources.

>>6212760
It is just ridiculous that Hololive seems to be a monolith of vtubing in every country except Japan. I mean HoloEN is more popular in Korea than NijiKR.

>>6212781
his usual is ~30k.
clickbait thumbnail. seems like he has something to show to people. if its something of a big importance, i can see it breaking 50k$

>>6212895
Pressure to evolve and get better. Also the chance they will have a homerun will increase.

Flooding the market only really works when you have little competition like Nijisanji did in 2019.

>>6212891
Are you surprised Nijisanji is brought up less than Hololive, on the Hololive board? /vt/ is worse than /v/ with Nintendo.

>>6212898
HoloEN is guaranteed to be bigger in Korea than even a hypothetical HoloKR though. It's a monstrously popular outlier of the monstrously popular outlier entity of Hololive not counting Holostars, which is more like a normal chuuba agency in general

>>6212937
>>6212891
This isn't a discussion thread, this is a numbers thread so only Nijisanji livers with good numbers get brough up often or if a one time even propels them high. Most Nijifans I interact with don't really care and Niji numberfags are either seething on 5ch or are in a grave.

>>6212841
Anon, the new girl already has more subs than Elira and it hasn't been half a day since the announcement. She'll probably have more subs than all of NijiEn combined after 1 week, even more if she's actually fucking good. For reference. Moona is only about 150k subs behind all of NijiID combined. And with her current growth she may very well pass them before the end of this year

>>6212299
No one gives a fuck if she is good at singing if she never sings

>>6212979
But Kanae is one of the top performers

>>6212670
>>6212985

>Marine explaining that if people propose shitty coilabs to Pekora she just shoots them down nonchalantly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPK0Iw1I1PI

Pekora is the closest to "professional streamer" that the whole VTuber industry has.
There are lots of "singers that stream", lots of "gamers that stream", lots of "streamers doing it for their own enjoyment" or for money but there are very few people that treats it as a profession where audience enjoyment is the metric to be optimized for and Pekora is one of them.

And it works too, that's why her numbers are like that.

>>6212841
>No, I think the first 3 built up tons of hype and laid a good foundation. They got 100k subs really really fast. The brand is there.

No. The honeymoon phase didn't even last a day with NijiEN. 17k viewers for a debut stream, seriously? Not to mention that their audience is made up of majority HoloEN stragglers who were peer pressured into checking out the rival companies chuubas. Also, niji ENs first debut streams were underwhelming as fuck. No wonder they didn't even retain their audience. Second wave is already a bust.

>>6203608
Gura has a lot of Gura-only followers, the rest I think share generally the same pool of viewers, just depending on what time they stream and what the content is which segment of the pool will tune in. I don't think there are many people who like say, Minecraft and would eagerly watch Ina play it but would refuse to watch Ame or Kiara.

>>6212999
Yes, remarking on his performance is very different than knowing him as a streamer or even watching him. He gets great numbers, absolutely excellent, but since he rarely has any top spots her isn't considered in a thread that only cares about very high numbers.

vsinger will generate shit ton of views

>>6213040
wait about 2 hours. you'll get some numbers.

>>6212299
>>6212994
I have to say Risu is not even the best singer of HoloID, Moona has an angelic voice when singing, even when singing acapella with the Minecraft BGM as her backing track

>>6212299
I mean, might as well you're complaining about most of people subscribing to her probably thinking of AZKi as a literalwho and just learned what a "vsinger" is last night. It doesn't matter though, the point is that Holo especially HoloEN is a massive sub boost juggernaut brand. I don't even like them, literally don't sub or watch to any of them but this is /numbers/ so numbers are what's important.

>>6212898
They are still very popular in Japan, it's just that they aren't utterly uncontested like they are in the rest of the world.

>>6213040
I meant numbers wise, he's on the top row of average live viewers and gets on top 10 on daily sometimes. Do you even browse these threads?

>>6213030
I have a lot of respect for Pekora. Shes very professional in her approach. Other holos should learn from her.

despite her insane numbers,
sakusan doesnt seem to get any suggestive art
i cant fap to raw numbers, i need some complimentary material

>>6213030
>Luna collab right now
Maybe this was not the best time to bring this up.

>>6213076
Yes, and he will be discussed then. I don't expect him to beat Coco's graduation but #2 is very likely.
>>6213094
Entering the EN market in May of 2021 was always a mistake.
>>6213115
I know, he gets great VOD views too but you can't expect people to watch him.

>>6213130
She's only gotten this huge a week ago, give it some time.

>>6212841
>The brand is there.
They were too slow to move though. This is what it got them, a paltry100k sub average on a language branch that 2+ Billion people can understand. They should have been there a year ago, with 500k subs this year, but somehow they're more retarded than Cover and don't even have the luck or scouting talent to boot. Now VShojo is second in the west and they're stuck in the foundation stage still.

They have a hard climb ahead.

>>6213144
No one will beat Coco. In fact this thread should be retired cause she beat the game.

>>6213030
I think Kiara actually embodies this most in Holo EN. She always tries to keep things entertaining, whether in her own streams or in collabs.

>>6213182
I refuse to use graduation numbers as a metric. I know emotions are forbidden in these threads but it will never sit right with me to dick wave with them.

>>6213174
>no scouting talent
Elira alone shits on all 5 1st gen holoENs, then there is Pomu. The only good EN is Ina who is mainly good for her talent as an artist.

>>6212882
>you don't even watch them.

Thank you anon for listing the number 1 reason why NijiEN will fail.

>>6212895
>Flooding the market is a bad strategy for their own streamers.
I believe it might also serve to kill the indie scene with even more oversaturation.

>>6213210
Buddy you seem lost, this is the numbers thread on /vt/, the "/jp/ circlejerk thread" is on another board

>>6213216
>if it's not holo I hate it
worse than sports fans

>>6213218
It's gonna kill Prism Project, Tsunderia, That other one, Phase Connect, and whatever shows up more than anything. The twitch indie scene will be probably be the same 2view hell it has always been.

Primetime JP is on
>Pekora collab with Luna on Pekora's channel
>Miko-Subaru-Nene collab on Holo main channel feat. Yuujin A
and other girls doing their things.

>>6213218
Nah they're just gonna sweep up a bunch of indies and repaint them as Niji EN and toss them back out, I don't think it will really upset the balance too much. Indies that are doing decently aren't gonna bite just to get 1k viewers and lose 30% of their revenue, but the ones who are struggling will take the deal.

>>6213274
yup, pekora will end up top 1 today. holo still the strongest

>>6213218
>kill the indie scene with even more oversaturation
Not that they need the help. Between the absolute explosion of 2views following HoloEn's debut and the recent marked increase of small agencies they are well on the way of killing themselves even if Niji didn't exist
>>6213256
>The twitch indie scene will be probably be the same 2view hell it has always been.
Is that not already dead?

>>6213343
Wow, she's so talented. Who is she?

>>6213235
>worse than sports fans

Yes I treat Vtubing like sports, how could you tell.

>>6213136
Luna is pretty entertaining if you understand her. It's just that her voice is such a huge filter.
>>6213174
From their first wave it seems like Nijisanji is just hiring existing indie vtubers (all 3 were in the same circle of friends).
Hololive seems to be going more for content creator / entertainers route.

>>6213343
Kek so bad. Sub 2k views, all less than 3m channel total views.

>>6213358
No one knows but we pretend to. I call her jpg, since that is all she is.
>>6213343
Does it matter? Most of those will be dead subs. Cover's name won't mean as much in 6 months anyways.

>>6213388
>you're only as good as your sub count
wow, Usada Pekora must be worse than that shark vtuber!

>>6213391
>Does it matter? Most of those will be dead subs. Cover's name won't mean as much in 6 months anyways.
What do you mean?

>>6213383
The Niji stratagy was a good one, safe picks to establish the market. Wave 2 will have more wild cards if they intend on contending for #1, more indies if they are happy with 3rd place.

>>6213235
Numbers obsessions put them on the same level as kpop stans.
Just check a random kpop MV and see how many comments there are about the mumber of views.
Literally brainless number bots

>>6213190
>tries to keep things entertaining
You are missing the point. Kiara is very good at "salvaging" things from not being entertaining after it becomes obvious that something is lacking, be it in planning or execution

Pekora just shoots them down from ever happening in the first place.
One of the things that sank Kiara battleship when interacting with Pekora was exactly that
>Pekora prepared a whole Minecraft JP tour for Kiara, on and off stream, going to the lengths of labelling a map in english with the main attractions (IIRC)
>Kiara shows up and, instead of enjoying the tour, "press SPACE to skip the cut scene" the whole time Pekora was trying to show something and tried to make it about interpersonal connection between them both.

In Pekora's view, the enjoyment of the audience would be the interaction between a Hololive EN member and the massive world that grew out of JP Micra server
>and she was right too!.
PekoMoona and the stories that arose around what Pekora and to a certain point Moona too built in the server (like Rushia hilariously losing everything to the Slime Trap), it was one of the main "plot" drivers of the whole company culminating in the sports festival.
Kiara tried to wing it and she may have squandered the chance to interact better with JP using the server as a backdrop.

Moona seized the chance, staged that "accidental" meeting with Kiara and grew strong since them. If I had to say one member that is as professional and prepared as Pekora that would be
>Moona
with the differences in proportions disclaimed, of course

No nijien lmao

>>6213422
I think this is the height of interest in 黒バー in the west and nothing will pass the ridiculousness of a jpg getting 150k subs in less than 12 hours.

>>6213435
Elira's oshi is Pekora. But no, Niji and Holo can't coexist, nope.

>>6201036
That Kanon is pretty sus. Nazuna played with a lot of big time streamers and got viral clips but her max boost was at 5k views

>>6213343
Impressive growth for Hololive, each new gen breaks the record.

>>6213405
You seem lost, this is the numbers thread on vt, jp is on another board

mogged again kek

>>6213475
I bet most of NijiEN applied to HoloEN and I bet most of holoEN2 applied for NijiEN. Those spots in these two companies are so coveted you have to pounce when you can. Anything else is silly.

>>6213451
What is that and who is the #1?

>>6213513
I don't think she's broken the record yet, Reine got almost 200k before she debuted

>>6213475
Who are you replying to? I was just commenting on the nature of number-obsessed vtuber fans being on the same level as kpop stans who obsess about MV views.
Dunno why you're bringing up Elira, Pekora, and something about coexistence.

>>6213475
how is all of that related to a numbers thread

2021 SC

>>6213235
This anon came to the numbers thread in hopes of finding graphs and analysis reports. But to his dismay found out that the only thing that's being compared in this thread is which manchild has the bigger toy car.

>>6213576
138k in 11 hours is nothing to sneeze at. I don't think it is unlikely she will beat that.

>>6208587
Won’t attract anyone who’s not already into vtubers outside of for the music

>>6213601
I kneel low sub king

>>6213546
>Is there info of how many applied to NijiEN?
According to Subaru, HoloEN 2 had like 6k applications.
If what you said is true, then NijiEN needs a similar number or its just wishful thinking.

>>6213616
I think we need to have the GEN buff in mind though, Reine managed to catch up a lot of stragglers from the previous debuts

>>6213529
>2 Niji gils in the top 20
Manjisanji fags on suicide watch.

Also Coco is gone so that frees up another spot for Nijisanji. 18-5 isn't that bad when you consider the number of Niji livers there are from 20-50.

>>6213182
>Pekora's live suicide through carbon monoxide poisoning gets 700k live viewers, TWICE as much Gura's infamous 40 minutes-long suicide by hanging
>lmao get choked on the dead subs chumkeks
>rabbit I KNEEL no one else will be able to beat this number in the entire vtuber industry
>nijiniggers btfo

>>6213182
Graduate a whole gen

>>6213716
are you touched in the head?

>>6213716
actually meant for >>6213208 but oh well it's just as good

>>6213663
hololive basically releases 5 chubas a year and theres obviously much more talent than just that
i dont think much people would wait a year for another try

>>6213716
Meds anon

>>6213663
It was 6k application for gen 1. Gen 2 might be in the five digits.

>>6213790
Does cover still have that allure? Would people sacrifice integrity for 200k subs without saying a word?

>>6213182
Yes, and my shitty prius can beat a ferrari if I drive it off a cliff. What's the point?

>>6213838
You eat too much rrats anon.

>>6213601
Huh, despite "Chumkiddies" meme being thrown around, Gura in the Top 10 is actually interesting.

>>6213838
Who else in the west would guarantee a 100k starting point in an industry where your entire livelihood depends on if the algorithm manages to pick you up in an ocean of shit

>>6213601
>muh 10 billion subs
explain how gen 5 is beating you, chumfags?

>>6213601
explain momosuzu nene

>>6213910
Vshoujo

>>6213601
where is Ina or Ame? They wouldn't lose to a male niji, right?

>>6213838
As opposed to being what?

>>6213601
That sweet sweet divine Coco mogging.
This may be the last time we ever see of Coco mogging.

>>6213838
You underestimate people nowadays. There's more introverts or hikimoris than before. A paying job while hiding behind an animated character playing games all day, instant clout, collabs with your favourite vtubers, MV, 3D debuts, acquiring multiple sponsorships from your favorite game company and a chance to work in Japan. Who wouldn't want that?

>>6213926
That is the absolute worst example you could come up with, the people in there are already established streamers

>>6213926
Vshojo is comprised of people in the same friend group. There’s no such things as applying to Vshojo

>>6213926
i thought its just a circle of friends and not a real agency? do they do auditions?

>>6213949
An indie or niji. NijiEN will bring similar levels of success but with creative freedom.

>>6213972
Hmm... come to think of it. VTubing is truly the dream weeb job. Most weebs often say they want to move to Japan and work for the likes of Square Enix making games or work in the anime industry doing supporting art for studios/authors, but this gives them everything they want for the least possible effort and all without leaving the comfort of your home.

>>6213924
cute , fun to watch, energetic. her getting a 3D was a massive boost (which makes me salty that it got delayed for a redesign that barely helped) her dancing and singing makes it raind and she established several insider things for her sc reading that lead to boosted donations like the rainbow sky thing

>>6213601
boyfriends in the top 10 ^_^

>>6213926
vshojo doesn't do auditions, every single member is either an established talent or a friend of an established talent. vshojo is not going to give you a free boost

>>6214050
>HoloEN and NijiEN
>Similar success
Stop lying anon

>>6213972
Most girls who love hololive are lez, idol worshipers, or are menhera. Normal girls like Nijisanji. If given the choice why pick Cover? That clout means nothing if you aren't any good and you will get more anti posting. NijiEN has few antis so egosa is nothing but feel goods, HoloEN is like getting your entire being raked across the coals.

>>6213926
You have to earn your way into Vshoujo, either with your husband being a massively successful anime youtuber or on your own.

>>6213973
Hime was not an established streamer.

>>6213991
Judging on how Veibae got into Vshoujo and Haruka and Snuffy are Vshojo related; you can technically apply to Vshoujo by mooching up to the senior members

>>6214000
They technically are an agency - their hiring process is just different from the rest.

>>6214079
i saw her 3d and it was a 5fps mess with no guests, skits, interactions, just a glorified 3dLive but with headache inducing lags
despite that, it still became the most superchatted holo 3d debut
holofags taste surely is weird

>>6214082
hey buddy he's dating me not that other guy

>>6214157
oh so you turned it off after 5 minutes? your loss anon

>>6214135
More money. Exponentially more.

>>6214109
The Buffalos Bills reached similar levels of success in the 90ss as the Dallas Copyboys even if they were never #1 at any time. 100k subs in a months is enough to jump start you if you're talented enough, you don't need 500k with restrictions if you are a true talent.

>>6213546
If HoloEN management will follow the same trend that they have, they won't hire vtubers. Rather, they will hire content creators that have experience in streaming that have quality VA voice to top off with whatever content they want to gear into. Even Kiara is decent without the chicken voice. I don't know why she's sticking to it. Her natural voice is better. Even Ame can be considered as "interesting" much like how Haachama back then is. They need to be self sustainable. I already knew from the word Witnesser that it's going to be 1 person which can only be the EnVsinger. I already knew that she's going to be a singer songwriter of sorts. I can already tell that they probably going to have too predominant genres like rock and ballad based on the theme that they are going for. The only way a nobody envtuber can get in Hololive right now is if they were some sort of idol in their past life, a legend already, a professional gaming channel with connections, be a musician that produces your own songs or be as assertive as you can be like Lamy. That's like 1 in 5 chances that you can get in by being a vtuber in your past life and only havin that in your portfolio.

>>6214050
>similar levels of success
Only for the people who have more than 3000 live viewers on average. The lower Holos are mid tier Nijis comparatively speaking.

>creative freedom
Doesn't necessarily pay the bills or makes you famous. Sometimes, having someone telling you what to do or whether you can do it at all helps improve you as an entertainer. Just look at Gura and the shit that she gets away with on stream.

>>6214135
>Normal girls like Nijisanji.
normal girls don't know what the fuck a vtuber is anon
which i guess would explain why their viewership is so low

>>6213435
>"brainless number bots", he exclaims angrily in the number thread
Truth be told tribalist and numberfaggotry is very rare and frowned upon for both companies and for both sides of the pond (JP and non JP).
Unless you are actively looking for it (like frequenting the numbers thread) you can enjoy your oshi in peace without any retard bringing up numbers

>>6214050
I don't want to sound like a tribalfag, but what has NijiEN done that is creative?

>>6214191
i watched it whole. midway through the fps improved, from 5 to 10, content however didnt, the same boring uninventive idoltrash
holoshit 3d is just embarassing compared to nijichad technology and creativity

>>6214201
Nijisanji isn't the Bills. Nijisanji is the XFL.

>>6204240
??? I thought she just got shilled by Ojiji during one of her streams and that sent it viral.

>>6214135
You must be retarded. All of those people are in Nijisanji as well. One just retired because of harassment

Anyone thinking that the mayority of western girls vtubers won't choose being in HololiveEN over any other vtuber group given the choice, are simply being stupid.

>>6214200
>50% cover cut
>30% youtube cut
>then taxes.
most of the SC doesn't even go to them. they get a tiny fraction to take home.

>>6213451
>makeumove
She finally got acknowledged as a VTuber?
>nice!

>>6214298
>i hate it so fucking much that i watched it all
good for you? glad you had fun hatting it for some reason

>>6214135
>normal girls
>nijifans
oh anon if only you knew. they hide the degeneracy behind locked accounts

>>6214235
We'll see, the person who most people think got the Vsinger spot is a vtuber, albeit it with a very heavy focus toward music.

>>6214298
You can't fucking say that after that horrible Ibrahim 3D. His face and body rigging is just awful. Miltopia looked better

>>6214296
Biggest irony of all these "Nijis are the creative underdogs of the vtubing world" faggots is that new Nijis also coast on their brand name without bringing anything new to the table just like Holos, they just have a smaller name so they get smaller numbers out of the deal.

>>6214135
>Most girls who love hololive are lez, idol worshipers, or are menhera
This isn't true. You're stupid if you think that. Most people would enjoy a hobby just fine, and the others would see joining Cover as a Job opportunity. Imagine being talented in singing, playing games and entertaining people but you can't stand being in front of people for too long, this job is heaven for these people and they do exist.

>>6213601
Coco on course to finish second for the year after being retired for half of it which would be insane

>>6214175
no, he's dating me

>>6214235
this, hearing kiara sing with her deeper voice at her birthday yesterday made me diamonds

>>6214332
Nijisanji aren't immune from taxes, youtube, or agency cut. Would you rather have 30% of $500,000 or $50,000?

>>6214296
Nothing but they could if they want to. NijiEN 1 are admittedly just some indies with a bigger platform but if they got someone good only the sky is the limit. Anycolor would invest in anything remotely interest in the west.

>>6214332
>Implying superchat is the only revenue
Anon, sponsorships and merch exist. Did you forget most of EN's merch sold out on their birthdays? Not to mention, ad revenue from VODs and MVs.

>>6214332
You must be missing a lot of the advertisements they are getting right now. They just announced a fulk scale merch release for every talent for Atre in Akihabara

>>6213601
GO RUSHIA GO YOUR SCHIZO GFE POWER CAN BEAT THE REDDIT DRAGON

>>6214364
>looked like shit
>had his equally shittily rigged bro Ebio along with him
>faced away from the camera playing pachinko for the majority of it
>sang while swaying awkwardly like a 5 year old at his first school play
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings/status/1410950165985316869?s=20
KNEEL

>>6214396
they aren't getting 30%. You still have to pay the tax man. And if you are at 100k, that's another big chunk.

in any case, this isn't a long term career.

>>6214332
You suck at numbers.
It's just embarrassing reading your "calculations" in this thread.

>>6214396
Nijis are tax evaders

>>6214364
oh, i can and will say that. while ibrahim 3d was indeed quite cringe, it got nothing on the real the lowest of the lows, 3d yukoku roberu.

>>6214364
>>6214437
How does it look bad? I agree Ebio’s rigging doesn’t look good though.

>>6214050
>creative freedom
Can't wait to see NijiEN use that "creative freedom", does being allowed to play NKODICE once count? Meanwhile, Amelia shows more creativity in a random stream than all 3 NijiENs in a month. Since we're in a numbers thread, I should probably add that these random streams get more viewers than all 3 NijiEN streams combined.

>>6214437
We are talking about the "3D tech" that you all seem to be so proud of. It is horrible no matter how you dice it. Both Niji and Cover both need more improvements. Niji is for one fucked up this 3D which is unacceptable since they have the investment money for that

>>6214486
His face loook flat on thr front. His chest looks hand drawn. He is the stiffest one so far.

>>6214506
still doesnt matter because it made nice fat and juicy numbers. this is the numbers thread by the way, not the 3D tech dickwaving thread

oh my god who cares how good each 3d is/was
why are you guys discussing non-numbers in a numbers threads you absolute faggots

>>6214464
let's do a fair, 1:1 3D debut comparison.

>>6214386
Only if the numbers hold steady. More often than not, the numbers increase around the holiday season as the girls start focusing more and more on the Q4 events.

>>6214437
ib's rigging is complete shit but the debut's content's absolute kino. numbers agree

>>6214540
>His chest looks hand drawn.
Isn’t that a good thing?

>>6214569
Fuwa will be the only person that any nijicope can use. Even after a year has passed nijicope will only bring up Fuwa to bait. Kek

>>6214610
No one will beat Coco or Fuwa, they are the standard.

>>6214569
>even won more dislikes
fuwa on top!!!

>>6214505
oh i certainly remember watson "creativity" of a debut
impression so deep, i never watched her again

>>6214569

>>6214505
The potential to be a game changer is in NijiEN, not HoloEN. HoloEN is holding back Amelia. Just because Cover can tard wrangle that doesn't mean they don't stifle creativity of their talents.

Just because Pomu, Elira, and especially Finana are nothing special diamond dozen vtubers that doesn't mean the platform is bad.

>>6214330
Most aren't talented. If you're a C+ that wants some fun and a payday then by all means become another Cover cardboard cutout. If you want to change the industry or do you own thing join NijiEN.

>>6214644
okay I like fuwa but don't be harsh on son his debut is very kino

>>6214644
it's amazing how Cover still hasn't invested in better 3D tech

>>6214559
>goalposts
It made numbers because it was a 3D debut, not because it was particularly good or even significantly better than the competition, which is what was being spoken about (kinda irrelevant to the numbers thread).

Pekora reached 70k on a collab with Luna of all people

>>6214617
Gwelu's 3D debut will trump Fuwa. Screencap this.

who would win: one niji playing amogus, or the Usaken summer festival?

>>6214617
coco was a complete sweep but i still think fuwa can be beaten.

>>6214682
it's amazing that no one ever brings up the fixes to his 3D, homobeggars especially

>>6214713
fuwa minato get off 4chan

>>6214575
True but her main challenger is Marine who had her big money in January with her 1m subs and hasn't been as strong since. She has her birthday and anniversary coming up and it could depend on how well those do.

>>6214637
Oh no, she only has 1.3 mil subs, I'm sure she's heartbroken. Cope more Nijifag.

>>6214735
gura's graduation...

>>6213343
NijiEN on suicide watch

>>6214739
/stars/ only watch Astel and Temma

>>6214505
nijisanji is the place to be for creative freedom, if you want bigger numbers at the cost of being boring then hololive is def more ideal.

I mean fuck, Coco left because of creative restrictions.

>>6214781
watson is a grown person. im sure she knows she is an embarassment and failure. a reddit clown with no real talent and abilities.

>Wtf is wrong with these many tourists in the numbers thread
I see more numbers in regular threads than the dedicated one.