/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Your oshi.

>>15077250
Me

i hate everything she represents, but who's retarded enough not to understand simps?

>>15077601
What does she represent?

>>15077250
Japs since they don't understand eigo much and think Mori is cool

True I only listen to her ironically.
And buy her albums ironically
And buy her merch ironically
And send her supas ironically
And dox ironically
wait a minute...

>>15079237
Ironically kill yourself.

>>15077250
Red wasn't bad

>>15079265
It's too late I am already deadbeat

>>15077250
I liked Red and Bully.

I thought Mori was okay but when I was confronted with an instance where I could have shown her to an actual rap fan I listened to her again and there was nothing.

>>15077601
>i hate everything she represents
basedness?

>>15077250
Me

>>15077250
I appreciate her talent, but women just really isn't cut out for the rap scene
It's like looking at a successful bodybuilder, who also happens to be a midget

There's a reason why despite after releasing so many rap music, the one that took off wasn't even a rap music

Why couldn't Gura hit 20m views on her original song?

>>15079967
Because you didn't click it enough times

>people still crying.
Face it. If she wasn't the 2nd most popular EN, you wouldn't be whining about it.

>>15077250
I liked Live Again back then, and it still holds up even now. i actually haven't listened to anything past her first EP.

>>15079867
Go all in on moe singing girl? That's kind of gimped compared to her many compariates?

I kind of don't envy her, creatively.

>>15079967
Because it's not very good. But then again, neither is Excuse me, can you please RIP. Mori's good songs are the ones that don't heavily reference or do callbacks to her fanbase/general kayfabe, like End of a Life, Live Again, and Bully. The ones that have shoutouts to deadbeats and constantly reference being a shinigami are pretty mediocre and sometimes downright laughably silly.

The more I think about her situation the sadder I get. It's a classic faustian bargain. The only solution is graduation

>life of a Mori anti
>get mad that Pink Woman is dominating the EN Vtuber Music scene
>whine about it on the most irrelevant place for discussion.
>forget about own life, whine continuously until he dies
>rinse/repeat

this rrat is even deader than dead. Most of her songs are on the 2-3M range in terms of views.

>>15080393
an example: >>15080346

>>15080393
>this rrat is even deader than dead
Saying her music sucks balls is not a rrat

>>15080393
Imagine thinking that more views means better music. Have you listened to any of the most viewed and liked songs on YouTube?

>>15080393
>forget about own life, whine continuously until he dies
Then she gets their soul.

>>15080490
>>15080507
You mean, your the authority on something really subjective, anon?

That's why you're miserable. You can't see why "normies" like something because you've been shut inside your own bubble.

TLDR: Touch grass.

>>15080132
>Go all in on moe singing girl?
I mean doesn't have to go idol song route but more singing and less rap.

>>15080580
The cattle can't make good judgement, it's been like this since the dawn of time. And yes, her music sucks objectively. What makes a quality rap, anon?

>>15080490
>>15080507
>he's probably mad because it's very likely that his Hololive oshi likes Mori's Music

>>15080637
Ah yes, your authority is better than IRyS, Watame, Suisei et al, who have all vouched for her music.

>>15080682
I asked you a question. How do you judge the quality of a rap?

>/vt/
>Good rap music taste
Pick one.

>>15080580
I guess the song Baby Shark is better than Fleetwood Mac's Landslide because it has more views and likes, then.

>>15077250
This isn’t Red

>>15080731
Ah yes, the old "look up highly rated music on google and then spit it out like diarrhea" to compare to "most viewed" shit.

You have no argument, all you have is a mentality that you are special.

>>15080637
But now you are talking about her rap. What about her non-rap songs?

NO STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE

NO STOP DISLIKING WHAT I LIKE

Go watch a stream you fucking children

>>15080935
Look, I don't hate her. Her non-rap can be fine (she still needs to do tons of reps), but her "rapping" is dreadful.

Protip: you can report trolls singling out vtubers.

>>15080915
I don't think I'm special at all. I just don't think her music is very good. I think the fact that she has to stay in character constrains her ability to write the kind of music that she really wants to write. This is just my opinion, of course. The more she distances herself from writing music based around being a shinigami, the better it's going to be. What's with this mentality that Mori's music is above any kind of criticism? We all know by now that no matter what kind of content the hololive girls make, it receives tons of views and likes. That's why I referenced baby shark, because children will like and watch literally anything.

>>15080731
>Fleetwood Mac
lol that's like imagine dragons or late maroon 5 of the 70s, KEK, but I see what you mean
bro, you should at least choose something that's not surface-level shit
>>15080580
>>15080915
lmao why are you so butthurt, mori legit doesn't make very good music, it's corny as fuck
she does have skill, she can go pretty fast, but it's soulless
some hooks are pretty catchy though, I like off with your heads
>>15080682
why would they shit on their colleague?
also
>x said

>>15079694
>27M views for the generic forgettable rap
Good for her, I guess

>>15081230
Well to be fair, RIP is her worst one but it is one that got popular.

>>15081230
>Being popular isn't successful

>>15081129
You complain about the keyfabe in the lyrics (which she more or less abandoned), I complain about her skills or lack thereof. She lacks creativity, can't sing for shit and her rapping is by far the worst part.

>>15081339
You're quoting the wrong man, anon

>he's still mad that his oshi probably loves Mori more than him

>>15081383
>can't sing for shit
I disagree. Compared to last year she is much better but it mostly shows in her karaokes.

>>15077250
HoloJPs

>>15081532
She's barely middle of the road in Hololive, and if we want to take her seriously in a professional context, it's far from acceptable.

>>15081383
"Deadbeats swing it now, grab the scythe and show them how"
She constantly makes references to things that embody her character, some subtle and some overt. She also has to be mindful of not hurting the brand by being too heavy or crude. And yeah, I agree, her rapping is just cringey at times. I think her singing can be okay when mixed properly, but live you can tell that she's extremely unpolished. I wouldn't go as far as to say that she's untalented, though. However, Mori is extremely overrated due to the simps that praise literally everything she does. Every vtuber talent has this problem with their fans.

I'm beginning to sense that this isn't really a Mori diss thread but a rap diss thread.

Because let's face it: Musical Mori is better than the Rapper.

>>15081532
She's not even the best singer in HoloEN

>>15081588
That song is a year old anonchama

>>15077250
I wonder who could be behind this post

>>15081588
>However, Mori is extremely overrated
>I wouldn't go as far as to say that she's untalented
Where's the "talent" part in your post? What is Mori's talent? Swinging her humongous Live2D tits?

>>15081598
Rap is cancer though

>>15081620
I didn't even say she was best singer in EN.

>>15081687
Her talent is living rent free in your head. Because face it; she'll see more money than you'll ever see in your lifetime.

>>15081687
>Swinging her humongous Live2D tits?
Have you seen her rl tits? Now those ARE humongous

>>15081751
You sound exactly like those teenage girls who loved boybands.

>>15077250
It's me the last deadbeat

>>15081635
What about the entirety of guh? Or blades to be swung yet in Red? She hasn't dropped it entirely.

>>15081598
I like rap, that's why Mori's "rap" offends my ears.

>>15081787
and you sound exactly like those contrarians who latched on to Mozart's Ass.

>>15081849
>Comparing Mozart to fucking Mori
Please listen to more music

>>15081828
Hell, EoaL has references to "office is a coffin"

>>15081885
Ah yes, the nobody who's claim to fame is that HE'S OLD.

>>15081840
just click off the video nigga, you're literally getting cyberbullied by an anime girl
holy shit, what a fucking baby

>>15081828
>>15081889
At this point you're complaining about metaphors.

>>15081934
I'm just saying she sucks, deadbrap. Listen to that garbage all you want.

>>15081966
No, you want a medal for saying you don't like her music. KEK. That's what you actually want.

>>15081849
NTA, but holy mother of projection
he made good shit, but it's mostly pretentious fucks, idiots that want to appear smart and richfags that suck his cock
mozard was based
he fucked his cousin and liked shit, maybe even ate shit
great composer

>>15082004
Yeah, the guy is posting on /vt/. He can't even be bothered to discuss it on /mu/. It's because he wants attention.

Like one anon has said: This guy just wants to be deemed "special"

>>15082004
>>15082169
t. simps

>>15082169
was kinda obvious when he started referring to people as cattle

>>15082169
Go on, try discusssing her on /mu/, see how it goes. I'm being gentle here.

>>15082197
discuss this on /mu/. because for vtuber music, Mori's music is popular and high-quality, so sorry that your oshi most definitely listens to her.

While you whine about quality, people in her line of work praise her music, inside and outside of Hololive.

>>15082197
Neither of those anons but i do disagree that all her music is bad. I personally hope that she can kinda move on from rap and just sing normally like this new musical arc recently has showed that she can do it just fine.

>>15082253
except you're the one being challenged to go there; people all know that /mu/tants are pretentious shitters.

You explicitly want to be given the keys to the city for "not liking what the 'cattle' like" So please.

>>15082308
You do awfully sound like a K-pop fan, which is hilarious

>>15082354
I was the guy that he said I just want to feel special for criticizing her music, but I don't think it's bad, either. But it's also not above discussing or criticizing, which was the whole point of the thread, I think.

>>15082479
anon, you're running out of boogeymen.

>>15082479
>boybands
>k-pop
what next? Ed Sheeran fan?

>tfw loser's team bracket.

>>15082488
not really my dude, opening a thread with 'this is all shit outside of one song, people must listen to it ironically' is just bait, not an invitation to discussion
OP could've just made a 'lets discuss popular vtuber orisong' and actually draw in some people interested in a discussion and not just contrarian shitters

>>15078749
She's a BLM/Antifa activist irl. She's even admitted on one of her art streams she only gives 7% of her time to her fans. She's a piece of shit, and deserving to be paired with an even worse SJW chicken.

>>15082786
after that watch-a-long, I don't think this bait won't work anymore.

I just wish people would say WHY her rap is bad and not just complaining that people like that.
I don't listen to rap, I'm not even a deadbeat, but all I read is "Mori is bad, Mori isn't talented, Mori blabla".

So, I'm genuinely curious, what's that is that bad about Mori's rap? What's good rap?

>>15082848
>What's good rap?
Bingo. There isn't such thing as good rap

>>15082651
I got successfully baited, then. I was far too eager to discuss her music. That being said, I sincerely believe it's getting better as she goes. I just want her to drop the references to her character and write whatever the hell she wants to.

>>15082848
they're LARPers.

They don't know shit about music production, nor do they know about music theory. Most of them aren't even discussing this on /mu/ because their primary goal is to be given a medal, supposedly because they're not sheep.

>>15081532
i noticed too. she got some singing techniques.

>>15082786
t. deadbeat
Not even the most schizo anti thinks like this

>>15082941
>They don't know shit about music production, nor do they know about music theory.
Do you?

>There's a lot of thoughts I can't say outright
>I've got my chords, you've got your keyboard, and both us got all night
>Try again, I'm wishing you well
>But you will never roast me better than I roast myself!

>>15082892
She's dropping a non-Mori EP next year.

>>15082843
You probably unironically like the pink cat, despite the fact she also threw her old fan base under the bus not once, but twice in the span of two years. One for deleting her only means of popularity (aka "POMF!") while calling her fans pedos, while throwing a shitfit over the Nux shit. Neck yourself.

>>15077250
Me.

>>15082973
No, but I don't proclaim my music tastes as "special"

>>15082975
Is this what people consider a good rap these days? kek

>>15082997
>No
Brainlet

>>15082986
again, anon. You're running out of boogeymen.

>>15083047
See, No music critic is popular because they're all theory and no application.

>>15080134
This, End of a Life and Live Again are in the same vein as H*** S** ******* which is great. Mori is really really good at this kind of song

>>15082786

>>15083084
>No music critic is popular
Brainlet hands typed this post

>>15077250
>I don't know who unironically listens to her
She's the top musician in hololive and probably all of vtubing, of course people are listening to her. You are allowed to dislike her music, just say that instead of pretending you're special.

>>15082786
>7%
It's growing!

>>15083048
Anon, it's fine if you want to be naive, but don't go being a retard about it too.

>>15082786
>7%
you can tell this is a deadbeat falseflag since he got the bait just wrong enough to catch the big autists from both sides concerned about proper quoting

>>15083126
I've been called a brainlet millions of times anon, your words mean nothing.

>>15083084
No music critic is popular because no one cares about critics in general. Do you hear a lot about literary critics from 200 years ago? No, because nobody cares about them. People will continue liking what they like for centuries, critics will die and be forgotten

>>15083161
>your words mean nothing.
Right back at you

>>15083143
>instead of pretending you're special.
The favorite argument of shiteaters, never get tired of seeing in threads like this

>>15083174
yeah, but the difference between you and I is that you actually believe that your insight is significant and that makes you the fool.

holy moly, he's breaking out the classics, that collage is over a year old

>>15083217
might as well bring this out:
RRAT Liquidation List 2021 edition:
>Shadowverse training arc with La+
>Is writing her second novel for young adults, "The Powerful Reapers of Destiny"
>Converting to Islam to give the highest of ups to Allah
>Borrowed Watson's time machine so she can redo all of her past yabs
>Is secretly the Gundam SEED Movie's writer
>Is doing a RAP bootcamp for Gen5
>Started to become Yukihana Lamy
>Called Flare a nigger in front of yagoo
>Recording a double demon collab song
>Spilled her spaghetti and lost her poor meatball when it rolled out of the door
>Got a little too into roleplaying on obscure internet chatrooms
>In the process of ditching hololive to sign with Dr. Dre's label
>Cloning herself for the MoriDice collab/CalliMori rap battle
>Slipped into the calliopeople timeline
>Invading the dreams of all the deadbeats who miss her
>went into hiding because she can't stop cringing at herself
>left to search for the Dragon Balls so she can make her one wish that she can't pretend she don't wanna see come true
>she heard her activation phrase and was awakened to the reality that she was a Russian bioweapon raised in the states to be used against glorious nippon
>Finding more subtle ways to put roommate references into everything
>Started to care TOO much about hololive and took off early to distance herself from them
>Busy setting up multiple false accounts with vpns to donate during the all the celebrations happening during her absence
>Had to go into the offices at cover to receive her yearly corporate brainwashing
>Cares more about other vtubers than her fans
>she's learning EU4 after getting Paradox permissions
>Is fighting a losing battle trying to get her gaseous asseous under control
>Appearing as a special guest at E3
>Preparing for constant all night sex orgies with Okayu, Coco, A-chan and Coco
>took time off to shoot scenes for the newest Evil Dead
>Uber called for a surprise sponsorship deal since her purchases constituted 95% of their net profits
>IRyS was waiting for her at the yakiniku joint and had to cut the stream early
>she had an important Zoom call with Applebee's Japan division
>police took her in for interrogation after they discovered her music played during the last 10 recorded driving incidents
>her local hospital ward needed her assistance as a temporary nurse
>she larped as a shinigami on the 2a.m. train ride
>the yakuza held a meeting to discuss her new membership strategies
>she visited her nearby high school to practice for the sports festival

>>15083205
>is that you actually believe that your insight is significant
I don't, but thanks for putting the words in my mouth, I guess.

>>15083154
If that is the worst "political" thing you can find from Mori then she really is good at hiding her "SJW side".

>>15083200
Hey, don't get upset now. That's exactly what he's doing

Yona Yona Journey is really good but I doubt most of her EOP fans know about Taku Inoue.

>15083154
I find it funny how the /jp/ board didn't know about a song by one of the most famous Vocaloid producers and attributed those lyrics to her.

>>15083336
the really funny one is Dawn Blue pre-singer reveal and Dawn Blue post-singer reveal.

>>15083299
Denial is but the first stage. But at least you're getting there.

>>15077250
People who has listen to more than one of her song anon

>>15083336
>almost 2022
>unironically giving a shit about Vocaloids or VocaPs

>>15083380
Anon, we don't give medals for your opinions, please keep that in mind.

>>15083463
You're running out of buzzwords, anon.

>>15083475
Awww, how cute. Still no medals for a mediocre comeback.

>>15083525
You should try harder.

>>15083380
Anon, i would like if you posted any kinda proof that she is BLM/Antifa activist. If there was don't you think doxxfags would have not found them months ago?

>>15083536
Why would I try? The 4chan points that you were "winning" were imaginary.

>>15083574
>The 4chan points that you were "winning" were imaginary.
A literal schizo post

>>15081009
>This post violates a rule:
>They be talking shiet about Mori

>>15077250
You see anon, she's just like suisei... I've said this once before and I'll say it again... If suisei literally puts her mic beside her toilet and took a massive shit, and put it out under the guise of "music" it'll fucking chart in Japan and people will sing its praise, suisei and mori are the literal KSIs of the vtuber world... They have so many supporters that regardless of what they do they'll think "it's great"

>>15083637
>There's nothing wrong with me, IT'S ALL OF YOU THAT'S WRONG

anon?

I don't get why people get so uppity over this. Is her music overrated? Sure, she did skip the biggest wall musicians face (building an audience from scratch), but that's unsurpriging since she's an entertainer from a popular company.
Does it matter, though? I don't like her music since I'm not too big on fast rap, but I'm happy for her and think it's nice that she was able to achieve her dream.

Ok, to the people who like her music, what do you like about it? What do you think could be better about it?

>>15083709
rapping without bling and sex and actually using extended vocabulary; switching from Japanese to English

Mori needs to drop the filter and go full demon

>>15083709
She SHOULD rap about bling and sex. But knows nothing about that
So her music is doomed to be boring

>>15083778
>rapping without bling and sex and actually using extended vocabulary
This is the quintessential "I don't listen to rap beyond Eminem" opinion. Listen to more music.

>>15083814
>literally distills rap to bling and sex
you're the exact sheep that people hate.

>>15083709
>What do you think could be better about it?
Less rap and more singing and i wish her collab songs with other people would less feel like she was just there as a feature.

>>15083869
Go listen to Eminem. It doesn’t HAVE to be just about bling and sex but it’s a meme songs about that can’t be good. Sometimes all you need is charisma and a good beat to carry a track. Mori has neither

>>15083872
But that's literally what they're using her for. Feature Mori and instantly it becomes your most played and viewed song.

>>15083942
>Go listen to Eminem
This thread is a fucking riot

>>15083709
>like
pretty much every song is catchy and replayable
the more personal ones have nice lyric play
her inclusion of rock and electroswing bits gives them a particular character that vibes with people who grown up on millennial music

>improve
some of her rhymes and lines fit a poetic flow rather than rap one, making the rhythm too wordy and rushed which makes them often fall flat in live performances
more focus on slow rap over fast rap because with fast she often cannot project enough power into her voice (that shows mainly when she's directly contrasted with someone like Fra, who can deliver rapid flow with lots of puch)

>>15083942
>Go listen to Eminem. It doesn’t HAVE to be just about bling and sex but it’s a meme songs about that can’t be good. Sometimes all you need is charisma and a good beat to carry a track. Mori has neither
You say this when she's already popular.

>>15083990
Because she’s an anime girl rapping.

>>15083704
I'd prefer simpler production and beats.

>>15084021
He hasn't seen Tokyo Womb

>>15084031
meant for >>15083709

>>15084021
Anon, you realize that she toured last year, right?

>>15082663
>criticism is harassing

>>15084050
>>15084076
Why are you talking about her failed roommate here this is a hololive thread

>>15077601
Go back.

>>15083704
>Sure, she did skip the biggest wall musicians face (building an audience from scratch)
She was already pretty popular before she became a vtuber

I HATE Mori so much I literaly can't get my mind off of her, everyday when I wake up, i feel good but when I open up these threads again , I'm constantly reminded how I used to be bullied in school by people who listened to rap. I am CONSTANTLY reminded how my oshi's fanbase can't afford akasupas. When the Mori thanked an akasupa during Gura's stream, there is something inside of that snapped something that awoken me in the inside, something that I need to do get RID OF THESE STUPID FUCKING DEADBRAPS FOREVER, so I would always come into these threads every day to bully DEADBRAPS back because that's what they deserve, and I'm glad sharkmeido is not deleting anti posts, and allowing CHUMCHADS and TEAMATES to be in here so that I can make fun of you Deadbraps ESPECIALLY DEADBRAPS. I am always going to be here in these threads until I see every deadbrap dead on the floor so we FINALLY discuss Gura's cunny again. No joke I literally cried in anger to sleep and I needed emotional support,so I went to my boyfriend for support and I feel more confident now because of how he can deal with bullying from SICK people LIKE YOU I cant get my mind off of MORI all the time, I WANT HER DEAD I come here just to see deadbraps BLEED and I will continue to put more pics of MORI'S ROOMMATE so i can get the message across all of yuo. Everytime I look at THOSE SMUG MORI FACES I want to grab them and slice their HEADS OFF LIKE MONKEYS. I DONT FUCKING CARE ANYMORE ITS JUST TEEHEETEEHEETEEHEE AND IM SICK OF IT

Deadbraps you ruined my life. You ruined these threads. And I EVEN GOT FIRED FROM MY JOB BECAUSE OF YOU. Im going to come for you and you will SUFFER........

I HATE YOU MORI IHATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE

>>15084141
>"failed"
>Clamor for her music has been good
Anon?

>>15077250
>Live Again
>Cursed Night
>End of a Life
Nice try though Deadbeat.

Reminder: The "people" posting about her music being bad and forgettable are seething 2views and small corpos who will never even get a fraction of her views. You will never be popular. Just give up and find a real job already.

Jesus fuck it's that time again. Nobody cares about your secret knowledge bullshit. Get the fuck away from this board.

>>15084215
Cursed Night is TRASH

>>15082197
>Unironically using this term
You don't belong here. Kill yourself.

>>15084248
As is Love Again

>>15084227
Doxxbeats just can't help it

>>15084254
No u

>>15084227
>>15084283
>claim that her music won't be popular if she wasn't Mori
>provide information otherwise
>MUH DOXX

like clockwork.

Lmao this thread is just a excuse to post dox shit and get mad at good numbers

Would be cool if the jannies would wake the fuck up and nuke this thread.

>>15084424
Why? It's honest criticism. Just nuke the doxx.

>>15084435
>honest
>can't even articulate anything besides RAP BAD.

>>15084453
I actually see some posts discussing why they like it and why they don't like it.

>>15084435
the only people that gave any sort of opinion outside of 'it's trash because I say so' are like 2% of the posts
ironically they're also the more positive posts

>>15084475
but it's mostly a debate whether bling/sex are good on lyrics.

>>15083547
Forget the sjw shit, that 7% is the most mindblowing thing ever happen if it true.
Someone who write and sing her own song (+ occasionally made MV) and still stream quite often on top of all that only spend 7% ? im impressed the schizo even bother spreading that bs

>>15084533
>5%
The percentage was actually about front-end/back-end. And even then, Mori's bad at math because it's Arguably 30/70

>>15084497
I'll give my two cents: she doesn't understand how lyrics should flow in a song. She likes to cram many words in a few sentences to give the illusion of being good at rapping, when rapping is mostly about the flow of these words. "Flow" is the ability of a rapper to melodically and rhythmically express their lyrics in a certain way on a certain beat. Mori uses the same stilted and forced flow in every song, while emphasizing the most important bits by raising her voice pitch, something she clearly picked up from Eminem and J-rappers.
Not only that, but she's lyrically amateurish, her best lyrics rotating around a limited vocabulary and using sophomorish rhetorical figures. Her worst lyrics are just laughable (see the Dead Beats EP and Cursed Night). The beat selection is hit or miss.
Her singing voice is getting better but it's still far from good, she croaks on not very high notes and suffers on not very low notes, and she's still unable to properly use dynamics.

>>15084753
I'm not really seeing criticism, more like "I don't like her because she doesn't rap/sing the way I like"

>>15084828
That's because music is subjective. But to properly criticize music, you should specify what are good and bad practices for every genre.
What makes rap good, anon?

>>15084753
I see your points, but some of them try to paint the influences as objectively negative when they can also be considered style choices
yes, she obviously imitates J-rap because that's the one that vibes personally with her, and just how J-rap flow might not ring with the typical western listener, neither does denpa or enka music
the cramming of lyrics is a decent point, which is why calmer and more thoughtful songs tend to end up on the stronger side

>>15083380
I thought it was a river in Egypt

>>15084753
Brah, assuming she writes her own lyrics, then she is seamlessly mixing together two languages. No one is saying she’s as good as Biggiepac but as far as white woman rappers go she’s pretty damn good

>>15082786
even Kiara is more of a BLM activist, and she's a casual racist

>>15080682
Their music is genuinely terrible too, they’re just good singers and performers. Mori’s music probably sounds cool and fresh to their foreign ears. Most music that comes out of Japan unironically sucks. They have/had a good punk, electronic and Jazz scene as well as the artists that worked on 90’s and 00’s anime soundtracks and scores. Other than that it’s mostly overproduced plastic disposable crap and I’m not even shitposting.

>>15083702
You are correct, everyone who disagrees is wrong.
I am right because I know I'm right, anyone who likes mori's "music" unironically is a retard who's opinion should be discarded.

>>15077250
She's got as much as 1? Could've fooled me

>>15085189
You forgot about their Math Rock acts. Pretty good stuff.

>>15077250
Still better than what orange woman could ever produce in her pathetic life

>>15085189
Then anon, your argument isn't really about Mori, it's about Japanese Music.

>>15085189
>Other than that it’s mostly overproduced plastic disposable crap
Honestly, I agree with this. Not only J-pop is massively overproduced, it's also dreadfully overarranged more often than not, especially if it isn't a band who does a song.

>>15085189
>>15085344
Can someone explain what people mean when they say "overproduced"?

>>15085332
rrrrrrrent free

>>15085285
Actually yes, you’re right, I’ve been listening to Tricot a lot recently and those girls are fucking insane. Really puts into perspective how bad Hololive’s musical output is when you listen to a band like that.

>>15085412
too many alterations to the natural/recorded sound wthin editing software
Calli's music generally doesn't fall into that, plus the way she does her own vocal mixing doesn't involve many pitch corrections at all

>>15085472
>Tricot
Very based anon, finally some good music in this disgraceful thread.

>>15085344
>it's also dreadfully overarranged more often than not
I blame the advent of DTM for that. With bands you generally have gt/bass/drums/vocals and you have to work with that to achieve maximum effect

>>15077250
Deadbeat here. I legitimately like her music. I do think some of her songs are kind of meh, mainly when lyrically they lean too heavily on her lore as a vtuber. But even with that songs like Red and Live Again were great. I heavily disagree with the idea that she should stop rapping and that it’s debuffing her. She’s made some really good songs like S****rs, W*****e, and unironically G*** G*** K***** that displayed some real lyrical talent and ability as a rapper. Her rap karaoke stream back in October was also kino as fuck.

>>15085340
It’s about both. Mori’s music is a weird hybrid that is rarely pulled off. I admire her output and passion and I think she's a great vtuber, but the way she arrogantly carries herself as a musical icon is pure cringe considering how bad most of it is. She’d be a laughing stock outside of vtubing. To be fair to her, she found a medium that would accept her crap and she's successful as fuck because of it.

>>15084365
I didn't claim anything. But I will now: Your "discussion" point is a waste of time.

>>15085985
Anon, that's equivalent to a loser saying:

I would've won if (insert variable here) happened.

>>15086179
It's true though. Good for her she's found her niche.

>>15086179
I could make the same argument about Ina. Her work is generic as shit compared to so many artists in her field but Hololive makes her work look godlike in comparison. If Sana did a few streams working on a serious piece everyone would quickly realise who the true artist of Hololive is, but even Sana isn't that great compared to many outside of vtubing. Mori is the same. Hololive fans generally have terrible taste when it comes to art and music and the numbers just further warp people's perceptions of quality.

>>15086599
Anon, Ina has an award for her work and has been involved in work outside of Holo nowadays.

>>15086599
>>15086413
>vtuber music sucks
>he posts this on a vtuber board

again, your actions really make it seem that you crave attention and adoration for "not being a simp"

>>15086599
Is there no middle ground between "godlike" and "garbage"?

>>15086788
>your actions
>again
Huh?

>>15085985
>but the way she arrogantly carries herself as a musical icon is pure cringe considering how bad most of it is
I don't see where you are getting that from. She was toxically self-deprecating in her first streams, and several of her songs have some quips against herself. She has plenty of people she wants to push (her producer THHK, Milkyqueen, BV) and End of a Life has a part specifically about how she feels like she's lived long enough / become successful enough to be a villain to her struggling fans.

>>15086825
not for internet-poisoned people

>>15085985
>considering how bad most of it is
It's most certainly not bad, just painfully mediocre, which is fine, I'm willing to take mediocre over genuinely bad.

do people actually listen to music for the literature part? The production on her tracks are pretty good.

>>15086669
Fair point. Ina admittedly wasn't a fair comparison because her and Sana are the only truly talented members in Hololive that aren't laughing stocks outside of it. Sana has achieved just as much as Ina, if not more. They're far more talented in art than what Mori is in music, lets put it that way.

>>15086669
It’s actually other artists who appreciate Ina the most for reasons that are obvious to professional drawfags and opaque to random morons. But with all artistic endeavors saying something is good or bad is something children do. Good or bad at what? In what context? It’s like people who get mad about early postmodernist or dada works. Baby shark is very obviously good at some things. So is RIP.

>>15085985
>but the way she arrogantly carries herself as a musical icon is pure cringe considering how bad most of it is. She’d be a laughing stock outside of vtubing.
you tried appearing reasonable, only for your argument to fall off a cliff and go full schizo
why are you like this both of those things are objectively false

>>15087045
I'd say Mori's work is genuinely bad.

>>15080507
objectively, those most viewed and liked songs are great music atleast production wise

except for latin moombaton music. its hell's ass.

>>15087199
Why?

>>15087264
Plenty of reasons ITT.

>>15087316
Name at least one

>>15085985
>>15087102
>>15087199
why are you acting like Mori didn't release music before Holo, or that she wasn't somewhat notable within her niche
is it just doxxbait

>>15086969
Her PL experience fucked with her confidence and that sucks, but nowadays she acts like she's drastically improved when all she's done differently is display some self-awareness in her lyrics and work with higher profile producers that leech off her popularity. Her best tracks are those with good instrumentals, something she has little input with. It's like the vtubers that are carried by their designs.

>>15077250
end of a life is her best song, and i don't think she'll ever top it but that doesn't mean the rest are bad. Your Mori is 3/5 good, off with their heads was great, Live Again is probably her second best song, deadbeats is super catchy. I dunno, her music isn't idol like, its more just normal music.

>>15087617
but EoaL has a very simple instrumental and is carried mainly by the vocals and the lyrics

>>15087473
Lol you're acting like I'm an anti. I've complimented her many times in my rants and I respect her the most in EN. I can see the irony in me arrogantly shitting on someone successful on /vt/ of all places, doesn't mean I'm wrong though. Her music is bad and she deserves no more success than any other Holo because it's mostly terrible. The last 'good' song was that depressing track of Polka's but even that was still carried by the instrumental.

>>15087617
You make it sound like that isn't the case with most music.

>>15088074
It's my favourite of hers and I think it's her best work. Still pretty shit in the grand scheme of things but good for Hololive.

>>15088238
NTA but I miss those days when mainstream artists used to compose AND arrange their works themselves, with producers only adding a tiny bit of polish during the mixing stage

>>15088152
you mostly sound incredibly schizo rather than anti, since you have a semi-reasonable argument that then devolves into 'she'd be laughed at' and 'she doesn't deserve success' kind of shit
it might be due to a weak grasp of English, but it looks really bipolar

>>15088238
You're right and that's why most music is bad. I mentioned Tricot earlier, listen to them just so you have a reference for talented Japanese musicians. Their numbers are somewhat on-par with Mori and Suisei's stuff. Compare this track to the best work those two have put out: https://youtu.be/9xwHNjz-gmA

Watch them live too.

>>15079694
Basedbeat

>>15088648
s-so this is peak performance for /mu/tants...

>>15088942
What is peak performance for you?

>>15089352
I'll answer with a simile, it'll be simpler
mainstream music - stuff I'd wear to work or friend meeting
Holo music - shit I'd put on to go to an anime con

what you posted is like some weird shit I seen at fashion shows - it made me raise a brow and think about what the fuck it is, but I'll most likely never interact with it again

>>15089539
>what you posted
I'm not that anon, but thanks for the answer

>>15077250
I... Do? Mostly because they're catchy to my taste and good enough noise to accompany me do things.

Not really one to look at the lyrics and the art of rap. I'd just listen to actual singer-songwriters or rappers for that.

Your Mori is 4/4 imo once you get past the filters.
LP Offline >> Voice of the Heroes > Melodic Blue > Your Mori > Donda-Off the grid > Montero-singles > CLB-fair trade > Culture 3

>>15080637
The only cattle I'm sure of has shit taste is you son.

>>15083637
that doesn't come from thin air. If someone has proven than he/she can provide quality songs (like it or not the genre), they'll keep buying those things made by those artists. You are not proving anything, specially since Mori and Suisei are not factory made artists like Kpop boybands

All her songs are good because I enjoy listening to them
Simple as'

>>15077250
But its a great song

>>15080637
You’re just another sheep anon.