/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Ryukishi is a witch.

I am a witch.

beato

batora

Is it ok want to be Lambda to hug Bern?

Why is Beato's furniture so dull?

Trianthology is the first 07th Expansion game that isn't directed by Ryukishi himself, right? I wonder if it will feel any different

What are Kinzo's ten desires?

In Ep 2 Battler cried when Rosa suspected him and was upset throughout due to having to suspect his family of murder. But in Ep 3 Battler is so quick to pose anyone as an accomplice so he can solve the closed room situation. What's up with that? .

>>15064876
shitty writer

>>15064876
Character progression. Battler realizes between episode two and three that if he wants to end up winning against Beatrice, he's going to have to be realistic and suspect others.

I wonder how that translation is progressing.

What would Lambda's tongue taste like if you bit it off?

>>15066978
Vanilla

>>15066978
Worse than bern's

>>15064876
Battler clearly went through character development after having lost hard core in the second game. He's been hardening himself the entire episode. By the time that scene came around he was prepared to point to whoever was the killer, and defeat Eva-Beatrice. Battler's had a very consistent character progression the entire series

How much was wrong with the Studio DEEN adaptation of Seacats? Everyone hates on it hard without explaining anything. The way I see it, it isn't a 1:1 adaptation but I've seen much worse.

In case anyone were wondering, the two Japanese names on the list of composers are Luck Ganriki and Rokugen Alice

>>15068542
The feeling I have is that it looks like a cheap adaptation for the hahaha.wav *cackle* *cackle* exaggerated fanservice on boobs. I don't know. Feels dumb.

>>15068542
It had no good qualities other than the voice acting, the pacing was shit and they handled all the scenes building character terribly or just skipped them entirely, so it was hard to feel attached to any of them when they got killed. It was just awkward all around, plus the animation and color schemes were hideous during most parts so watching it for the visuals was out of the question. The only thing that made it memorable was the gore/Maria and how bad it was.

It did give birth to the damedame subs version though, so it's not all that bad.

Country Girl's version of Rika is literally just Erika, at least when she is being more civil in front of the adults, with Bern's hair and smirk. I'm looking forward to seeing how sadistic she acts in the zombie timeline.

Also I like how Inaba gives the girls the finger after the goal

>>15068809
While I'm at it, the two artists aside from Ryukishi are Tatsuhiko (who's currently doing the Country Girl manga) and Itou Fumi (who drew the Umineko Tsubasa manga)

>>15068902
>I'm looking forward to seeing how sadistic she acts in the zombie timeline.
I don't think the three stories have the same characters. At least not according to this

http://trt.07th-expansion.net/chara.html

>>15068958
That doesn't mean they won't show up at some point later in the story. Especially if Ryu's meta mentality gets his way.

>>15068902
>with Bern's hair and smirk
You mean her? I don't think she has either of those anymore

>>15068864
When you consider the fetishy concepts of the stakes' outfits and the existence of Gaap, you'd figure that R07 may have even liked how it turned out. (I'm probably wrong though.)

>>15068865
The pacing felt just about the same in the manga to me. I was disappointed that a lot of the goofier scenes were omitted from the anime. And you could really only feel for the characters once a bit of their backstories were revealed anyway. I know what you mean though. ShaKanon's developments were really lackluster. But on the other hand, it felt like the animators had a bias for Rosa/Maria.

Either way I'm forever salty that Erika and D'lanor will never be animated.

>>15068986
This needs to be translated. If I understand it right, she colored her hair blonde for some reason? Also, she's really fucking hot now, holy shit

Is there a working character sorter for Umineko/WTC anymore?

>ASIDE FROM BATTLER, EVERYONE WAS BRIBED

What kind of hack writing is this?

>>15069715
That was only in ep 4, and here's how I see it. I don't think bribed is the right word, I always thought they were threatened to play along with Yasu's game. Since you know, threatened they were going to be killed. It was a pretty obvious conclusion to come to. I mean Jessica and Kyrie were both held at gunpoint while on the phone, they probably had a script to read off of. Kumasawa is always in on it, Ghouda was probably bribed/Threatened to play along when talking to the cousins, Krauss was probably threatened to recount a bullshit story to Jessica too. It makes sense that they'd play along with that little stunt, considering they really were being picked off one by one.

>>15069941
>I always thought they were threatened to play along with Yasu's game
Have you read the manga? Yasu says that it's easy to bribe the adults since they all have money problems, and that most of the accomplices thought they were just playing a game

>>15065452
>>15068400
Thanks. Now that you point it out, I can see that.

Not sure if people have commented about it in previous threads, but does anyone here who knows japanese read Iwaihime? If so, how was it?

>>15069979

I know that they all need the money but it's too ridiculous to think that they'd start some circular firing squad in the dining room for the first twilight. It's even more unbelievable that they'd just stand around and let Yasu kill 6 of them.

>>15070210
As you can see here, Kyrie, Krauss, Nanjo and the others weren't in the dining room when they were killed. They were probably taken to different places, and might not even have known that Yasu and Genji killed the others first

Which witch would you hitch?

This whole premise could have been avoided if Battler went to Rosa after falling out with his parents. From there, he would have several options:

>Return to the island earlier
>Fill Rosa's void (platonically or not)
>Fill Maria's void (in case his canon advances had any seriousness to them)
>All of the above.

I can't be the only one who thought about that.

Actually I forgot whether or not it was specified where Battler lived during that timeframe.

>>15070589

Everything could have been avoided if either Rosa OR Natsuhi hadn't fucked everything up, too.

>>15070594
Absolutely everything could have been avoided if Kinzo hadn't went full OH DESIRE

>>15070589
>Actually I forgot whether or not it was specified where Battler lived during that timeframe.
He lived with his grandparents on Asumu's side

Is there a way to use Battler's original palette swap in CROSS?

It's so much better than the new one he got. Nigga looks sweet as fuck.

>>15070210
Yasu didn't kill anyone in the dining room until near the end. I believe he asked the 6 people to stay in the room and not move, then he came back and killed them later.

Remember that none of the deaths in EP4 were confirmed in red until the end when Battler saw them all.

>>15068809
Are either of them known?

>>15064571
TRI was mostly written by Ryukishi and was supposed to be released in Winter 2014 (Jesus, so long ago) but Ryukishi got sick during the final weeks before RGD got released and he had to push back the product. So he got the solution of letting Romeo and that other guy who wrote Rewrite to write two thirds of the story, with the outlines mostly already done.
Ryukishi is very likely directing this story, plus it gave him more room to write other stories which are being released this year.

>>15070087
The queen herself.

>>15071291
How hard would you bully her?

>>15071313
Lucifer was made for bullying.

>>15071745
True but you didn't answer the question.

>>15071229
>Ryukishi is very likely directing this story
But he isn't, it says on the website that the director is Nakao Boushi

>>15071211
Luck Ganriki worked on Umineko and Higanbana, and both of them worked on Rose Guns Days. Not sure what else they've done

Are Bern and Lambda known to the Touhous? And if yes, which Touhous and what are their feelings about them?

There is an pure Umineko fantasy-versus-truth scenario happening right now quite close to where I live. In Loch Ness in Scotland an underwater robotic drone has been deployed with an aim to utterly eradicate the Devil's Proof argument of whether the Loch Ness Monster "Nessie", a folklore sea creature believed to be descended from the dinosaurs and I believe actually mentioned by name in Umineko at one point, exists or not. It is currently scanning the entire length, breadth and depth of the loch with 'cutting-edge technology'. If nothing is found, then even the Devil's Proof argument itself will be broken and the monster will be declared as non-existent.

Hilariously, in it's search it found a fake Nessie model used in a Sherlock Holmes movie of all things. Subsequently I believe I have a name for this robot. I shall call it Erika.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-04-13/live-action-higurashi-show-reveals-story-ngt48-theme-song-may-20-debut/.101003
What's the point of this?

>>15071229
>So he got the solution of letting Romeo and that other guy who wrote Rewrite to write two thirds of the story, with the outlines mostly already done.
Do you have a source on that? I though Romeo and Tonokawa worked on it from the start

http://www.shencomics.com/archives/1595960
Here's the full Hotarubi chapter with all 62 pages, in Korean.

Apparently there are 2 suns now or something like that

>>15072598
To take horror to new levels.

>>15068809
Now that I think of it, the list is exactly the same as Rose Guns Days', just without Funczion SOUNDS

>>15074051
Rose Guns Days' soundtrack was really good, and they've been working on this fucking game for like 4 years, so I expect some good tracks

Why didn't they use red ink for the red truth in the English localization?
I heard they explain it in the back of volume 4 (turn vol 2), but i don't have that yet so

>>15074227
Printing color is expensive. The japanese volumes don't have color either

Would you?

>>15074241
Especially when all you print is some text in red. At that point you might as well shell out even more money for a full color manga.

>>15075429
Even if it is more expensive than BW, two-tone printing is way cheaper than full color pages.

>There will never be an OMK CROSS 2 with a third Battler, Gaap, Maria and Kinzo that turns into a dragon for his meta super as playable characters.

Can anyone explain to me the deal with Featherine memory device broke = Hanyuu?

>>15076402
Her memory device kind of looks like horns, and Hanyuu's left horn has a crack in it

>>15076402
>>15076425
They have some other similarities as well, just read this

http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Featherine#Trivia

>>15076425
But how did it work through the story, like Virgillia and Beatrice mentor-student interaction is actually just that old servant girl who likes to give advice.

>>15076475
I don't think it has anything to do with the story, it's just a reference to Higurashi

If anything, her broken memory device is probably supposed to represent Battler losing his memories

>>15074464
Makes sense with tits that size.

>>15076128
But then you wouldn't have 19 characters, and that wouldn't work for symbolic reasons

I would love to see another fighting game on OMK's vein if 07th Expansion ever comes out with another VN of Seacat's scope.

>>15076128
I want to play as Featherine

>>15076402
Simple. In Higurashi, Featherine was playing a game against Lambda. However, Lambda managed to break her memory device and slip a poison. This made Featherine go to sleep and left her the broken piece (Hanyuu) limited power to help Rika win the game. This is greater emphasized as the piece and witch being unable to communicate and coordinate, which is why Hanyuu isn't able to help out much. This is also why Hanyuu has a broken horn piece.
In Hou, it's explained that power in the meta is accumulated through fear, paranoia and conspiracies anchored through a proxy in the real world (a maiden). This is how Hanyuu got the power to jump kakera without the help of a higher being in the meta, like Featherine, though this kept Hanyuu in the middle of the meta and the physical world. It's also interesting how it's a similar way to who the Youkai in Higanbana get their power, through fear and people talking about the mysteries in the school.
I find it funny that because people talked badly about Hanyuu, the thing she hated the most about her past, she was able to use that power to give Rika a chance at her happiness.

>>15080139
I'm still trying to think of ways to kill Featherine. My ultimate end scenario as the last thing Ryukishi ever writes is a story in which all the characters he's ever written get together to destroy the author in a meta crossover finale for all the suffering he's caused them.
Just Featherine literally destroying everyone one by one until she's defeats and everyone gets a happy end. And Ryukishi never writes a story again, then dies shortly afterwards.

The only problem is that I can't think of a way to kill Featherine. How the fuck do you kill someone who's essentially god?

>>15080139
But can she beat Demonbane?

>>15080139
Don't bring that powerlevel shit here, retard.

>>15080171
Sorry, I just found it funny how it's suggesting "vs goku" over "vs lambadelta".

>>15080167
Ehh, it ends as a tie. The problem with Featherine versus Demonbane is that it never ends. It actually goes against one of the few weaknessess Featherine has, namely rationality. Demonbane essentially can spawn anything and everything to counter whatever from nothingness itself. So is Featherine just writes ''Demonbane will stop existing'', a Demonbane will just create a Demonbane that will make it so that it's unaffected somehow. And it will go on ad neuseum. You cannot destroy nothingness.
So you have Featherine endlessly destroying Demonbane and Demonbane endlessly countering being destroyed and being unable to destroy Featherine because she can write off whatever attacks it throws at her.
In the end, it's a stalemate with arguably a slight loss for Featherine.

>>15080176
>the best pokemon

>>15080208
It's obviously batman.

Could Erika figure out the secret identity of Batman?

>>15080183
Featherine stops at the last realm of The Creator (allegedly the creator of the entire Umineko omniverse). Meanwhile EG Demonbane beat up its creator (Azathoth, creator of the entire Demonbane Omniverse) into submission by turning it into a giant glowiing stick and Demonbane VB from another universe ended up killing Azathoth and killed its own Omniverse too.
By feats description, Demonbane > Featherine.
Call me back when Featherine can seal its Creator into her pen and use it to write story.

>>15080130
So their relation is a meta and game piece?
I thought they are literally the same person.

>>15080273
Featherine can likely just write ''put Azathoth into a box and make him sleep forever''.
I don't see how that makes Featherine lesser than Demonbane. You're counting only feats as a measure of which is better rather than how the two would fare in a fight.

>>15080278
No, they are different people. They basically have the same relationship as Bernkastel has with Erika except if Bernkastel fucked off forever and had to rely on Maria to solve everything.

>>15080278
>>15080284
EP8の真相解明読本

〇フェザリーヌ

羽入の角に刀傷があったのを覚えていますか？あの一撃で「彼女」の記憶装置が故障し、彼女の存在がバグってしまったのです。

そのため、フェザリーヌとはまったく異なるアイデンティティを持ったキャラになってしまった･･･、という隠し設定があったりなかったり･･･。

Featherine

Do you remember how there were katana cuts on Hanyuu’s horns? With that blow, “her” memory device broke down, and there was a bug in her existence. Because of that, she became a character with a completely different identity from Featherine… or there may or may not have been a hidden scenario like that…

I thought that if Demonbane break Fetherine memory device, she will reverts to Hanyuu.

>>15080288
After the device was broken once, Lambda says it's impossible to break again.
Arguably, it's Featherine's only weak spot but Demonbane creating a Demonbane to destroy the memory device is countered by Featherine writing that this Demonane's effort are worthless, which is countered by another Demonbane, etc etc.
You get my point.

>>15080284
Azathoth is of the equal level as The Creator in Uminekoverse. Something beyond dimension and concept and everything else (which consist of infinite multiverse) in their respective series.
If Featherine can't even reach the Realm of The Creator (she only touched the last boundary because if she contiunes, she will become nothingness / her existence will be gone) but Demonbane weaker form already entered the state of nothingness and non-existance from Zanma Taisei and said Demonbane can beat the creator of Demonbaneverse.

>>15080176
Well done faggot.

>>15080316
>>15080318
Please stop

>>15080318
That's just syllogism.
>Demonbane defeated a Creator level being
>Featherine is not a Creator level
>therefore Demonbane can defeat Featherine
Just because Demonbane is able to remove a creature on the level of a The Creator doesn't mean it's able to remove Featherine.
Being from nothingness allows Demonbane the ability to not be defeated but it doesn't give it the power to destroy Featherine.

>>15080320
well shit

At least the thread is moving again.

>>15080316
Nope.

Excerpt from Lambda vs. Featherine in EP8:

The horseshoe-shaped memory storage device floating around Featherine’s head.
Without that, she couldn’t maintain her existence.
It’d be impossible to destroy it, …but if she could manage to hit it, …she might be able to cause a bug in the memory device. There had been one time in the past when Featherine’s memory device had taken damage, and a changed personality had been brought about.

Is that even done by Lambda in the past? The conversation doesn't seem to indicate it. Somebody else broke Featherine's memory device.

Do note Ryukishi words on >>15080288
> there was a bug in her existence
>she became a character with a completely different identity from Featherine
It implied that their relationship is not simply meta witch->gamepiece
It kinda means she become something completely not Featherine. Not just hurr she sleep.

>>15080320
To be fair, it wasn't really his fault, he just posted a screenshot. It's everyone elses fault for starting a discussion about it

>>15080342
>Demonbane who has the powerlevel of a child can beat the policemen in his story. This policemen has the same powerlevel as the policemen in Umineko.
>Featherine who has the powerlevel of a child can't beat the policemen in her story. THis policemen has the same powerlevel as the policemen in Demonbane.
>Therefore Demonbane can beat Featherine.
Why is it so hard for you?

And Featherine simply can't write anything to happen to Demonbane since Demonban has a powerful immune to any form of supernatural influences and acausal. It means her writing will become a fanfiction in front of Demonbane.

>>15080343
At least it's not as bad as rikafag and juliette together.

>>15080354
At least I could sleep assured that all Rikafag posts would be gone by the time I woke up.

>>15080353
As I said, Featherine simply cannot defeat Demonbane but it does not mean that it can defeat Featherine.

>>15080349
I still should have seen it coming. All the silence meant everyone was bored out of their minds with nothing better to do.
Featherine never gets anything nice posted about her.

>>15080373
Pffft, you wish.

>>15080382
Oh no, it's just getting worse

>>15080392
Just report and ignore.

>>15080392
You just think that because you can't discern my posts in these threads.

>>15080392
I can also add Erikaposting to the thread.

>>15080399
One can only ponder how much Erikaposting contributes to the overall enjoyability of these threads. It must be quite high indeed.

This thread needs to get back on track. Post your favorite WTC opening/ending

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rql5YSq1Kzc

>>15080411
Hou has arguably the best WtC opening ever. It represents Higurashi in its entirety.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm8skBieGeQ

My favorite non-WtC opening is the one for Higanbana. It perfectly captures loneliness, bullying and sadness in a school.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmYSv52c0Ug

How can Ryukishi be so godlike in his taste for openings?

>>15080377
>Featherine never gets anything nice posted about her.

Featherine is the biggest shit in WTC.

>>15080606
Even Bern sometimes gets praised or intrigues people.
When's the last time someone said anything nice about Featherine? And I don't mean bragging about her insane powers.

>>15080377
Featherine is total shit, that's why. And I don't mean shit in a good way like Erika or Bern, she's just shit in a "Would improve the story by not existing at all" kind of way.

If she were cute or anything that could be considered remotely fappable I'd forgive it, but she's not.

>>15080708
>tumblr

>>15080712
Yeah, so what?

>>15080708
Honestly, the parts with Ikuko were really boring. I remember wanting to hold Ctrl to skip through it.
I'd say something nice if I could remember more about her. I'm rereading the whole thing and I'm on Episode 3 still.

>>15080645
>When's the last time someone said anything nice about Featherine?
She's kind of pretty, I guess. That's a good thing, right?

>>15080712
tumblr is accepted in seacats because they have some good content for us sometimes

>>15080739
Dude at least change the filename

>>15080746
Dude at least try not to act like a fucking autist

>>15080747
Where do you think we are autist?

>>15080747
lol

You need to read the filename everytime or something?

>>15080734
>pretty
Everyone is pretty. That's not a compliment.

>>15080728
I personally find them interesting but they do get loooong and drag forever. It gives interesting opinions of truth, what it means to be a selfish author (which, every author is, to a degree or another) and more truth.

>>15080721
>>15080739
>so what
There's a difference between getting your content from Tumblr (no one really cares, but just don't keep the goddamn filename, it makes everyone act retarded at the mere sight) because everyone gets their content from everywhere and no one cares. But to get the goddamn CG from tumblr and say that they have good content is disingenuous. You could have gotten it anywhere, not content made and posted on tumblr, but simply that you got the CG from tumblr because you were too lazy to get it somewhere else.

>>15080764
fuck off rikafag

>>15080764
>>15080739 isn't even me, man. What the hell are you on about?

>>15081454
I did not imply that you were the same person, only stating that although there is nothing wrong with posting content from tumblr, removing the name is a thing everyone should do.

Is it me or is the mascot for TRianThology clothes in her original design is more badass.

Is it just me or does death (from stupefaction) make a better song to play when finding murders than rahugoldenslaughterer?

>>15082015
>hands
Oh, good. So that's how it works.
Is she actually flat? I thought Ryukishi drew her. Not that I'm complaining.

beato

>>15082015
She looks more like Cinderella than Alice imo.
I like both, though the arm things are a bit worse in that one than the other.

>>15082015
That's not from Trianthology. It's from some Rozen Maiden contest, where the winners would get their designs featured in the actual manga or something

>>15082184
Oh, but Ryukishi drew her, right? If so, we at least know he just added some changes to the offit for her in Trianthology.

>>15082230
>Oh, but Ryukishi drew her, right?
Yeah, he drew it. I just wanted to point out that it isn't actually from Trianthology, since I've seen people on tumblr pass it off as a new character from the game before

>>15080431

The one bad thing about Hou's OP is that it outright spoils the story for people who haven't played it yet. That irks me.

I love the percussion in the 2nd half of Higanbana's OP. It feels like rolling waves.

>>15082015
Those clothes look pretty good desu

>>15082669
>it outright spoils the story
I would say that it summarizes the story and only people who know the story understand. I mean, Hanyuu's reflection in the water? Takano's black dress? What does it mean?? It's not enough to spoil anything imo.

Though if I were to cheat, I would argue that the anime openings for Higurashi are still godtier.

The first one is mysterious, bloody, unknown and paranoia inducing, which is basically ep 1-6 in a nutshell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRtsIJXrhqc


Kai really just focuses on a single episode and it perfectly encapsulates Rika's suffering, struggles and loneliness. It's no longer about the mystery but the suffering of Rika.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxrI17wYgRw

Then you got Rei, which starts off ominous and weary before becoming upbeat and optimistic, much like how Rika was still cynical and had to chose to accept her single life and be happy with it. I also find it funny that Rika is riding a bicycle. Reminds me of that quote that life is like riding a bicycle and you keep your balance and keep moving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdUhYjEMrx4

And then you get Kira, which is Higurashi returning to its roots. Namely Happy! Lucky! Dochy! YES YES YES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPLO4tnvNko

Can it be argued that the anime openings are the best openings?

We're not going to hear anything about MangaGamer's 'updated' Umineko until next year, won't we?

>>15080411
I get that they have very limited resources but being an animationfag, I can't help but cringe at all the Aftereffects shit. The song is catchy though. And I love the part with the island in the beginning

Taishou-A best ED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtaWeG95oz4

>>15082739
Ooh! I really like the Rei opening and your description of it!

>>15082739
>the message of Higurashi is to reach out for support from your friends and not suffer in quiet
>get inspired playing it
>still isolate self as life gets worse
It's such a good message and so beautifully taught, but I just can't out that advice into practice. I'm sorry, Ryukishi!

>>15083455
>>15083463
>Replying to that shitposter who ruined the previous thread

>>15083471
I've had fun in the past threads and haven't noticed a problem. Regardless if someone did something you didn't like, they can still make good posts or be engaged in conversation. Let's all get along, shall we?

Natsuhi could have prevented all of this at several times in the story.
Also, did Kinzo really respect her or was that just her Yasu-level delusions?

>>15083512
Kinzo never respected her (I think Bern says this in Red) and yes she could have probably prevented everything, especially if she hadn't chucked the baby off the cliff.

>>15080208
It's NOTHING.

>>15083522
Which will lead Lion to be appointed as the next head and Kyrie to play her FPS game.

Nippon is obviously the one at fault here for joining the Axis.

>>15083471
But that's not Juju, and she promised to leave us alone for now.

Would a Let's Play of Higurashi or Umineko be a bad idea? Like doing different voices for the characters and occasionally commenting.

What did she mean by this?

>>15083841
Suede tried doing something like that when ep 1 was released on Steam before quitting because not enough people watched. It was him giving voices in a decent speed without fucking up, giving his opinion and reaction to the story and characters while reading. I found it fun while it lasted.

>>15083871
That rape is the ultimate tool for bullying.

>>15083512
Why would Kinzo ever respect her?
Look at it from his point of view. He 'won' her by basically ruining her family financially to the point where they were forced to give him their daughter just to not live on the streets. Then he makes her marry Krauss (still unsure why, was Krauss unable to find a girl? Was he too beta or did Kinzo just want to add salt to the victory by making her a slave to marriage?) and she fits Kinzo's patriarchal view of the sole role women should take; childcaring, not talking and opening their legs on command.
What part of Natsuhi would anyone respect? Being a good mother? Only Krauss and Jessica could respect that. Hell, just look how illiterate Jessica ended up being. It could be argued that she wasn't a good mother at all.
She was a worthless woman, undeserving of the family brand.

>>15080165
featherine is not even real

I hate that fucking powerlevel chart that places her next to LoN, you know, an actual multiversal creator deity, so fucking much.

>>15084050
>an actual multiversal creator deity, so fucking much.
I hate to break it to you, but he's not real either.

>>15084068
Doh ho ho

>>15084070
>Anime
>Real
Pick one.

>>15084072
The only real person is Rika.

>>15083452
Personal favorite of mine as well. Soft and emotional. Lovely song.

>>15084089

I just wanted to say that you're cool people and not goats. You've all read Umineko and appreciated it anons. You are cool people. Keep it up. You're great.

>>15085411
Shut up Ryukishi and go write more.

Speaking of goats, which ending did you all choose first?
Magic or Trick?

>>15085453
Trick, obviously. I always play bad ends first when I get the feeling that it might be a bad end.

>>15085394
I am drunk and I literally can't read this font. Literally. My mind and my eyes seem to decide to do everything but reading this font. I've tried for 10 minutes straight but I can't read it.

Please change the fond. I'm sure it is a fun a comic about something or another. But please, think of all the drunk men out there. They don't want tot suffer like I do.

>>15085453
I chose Trick first, but only because it was obvious that Magic would be the good ending, so I saved it for last

>>15085461
Lay off the absinthe, Kinzo.

>>15085394
OC DONUT STEEL!!

>>15085394
They could probably go into the Kakera where Evangelion is happening or whatever. Watching evangelion seems quaint when you can meet Gendo in person.

Can the roleplaying faggots please go back to /a/? This board is autistic, but at least we have standards.

>>15085716
IGNORE AND REPORT

>>15085453
Magic because I didn't want to ruin the mood.

>>15082795

There was some leaked screenshots from mangagamer's image directory in the vntls a couple months back showing that they had inserted the new art

>>15085394

10/10

I gave this a read. Some of the memes are dated, but I still enjoyed it enough. Anyone else checked it out?

>>15086738
I think or af least hope most here have checked it out.

It was pretty amusing for what it was.

A deconstruction of the dnd genre if you will. Ha!

>>15082795
Why would they be releasing Umineko when Higurashi isn't finished yet?

>>15083841
The one thing I'd say about LPs of VNs: Don't narrate the text. The voice acting that youtubers do is usually obnoxious. Just let the viewers read the text, and narrate your own thoughts on top of it (Warning: You will actually have to have interesting thoughts to make that work).

>>15087117
Why not? Higurashi won't be finished for years anyway

>>15086738
I read it back when 3.0 was out. I remember it was fun to read and the style felt pretty faithful to the original. It's been ages since I read it so maybe I'll re-read it after I finish re-reading the VNs.

>>15083841
There's actually one guy who's been doing a Let's Play of Umineko for a while now, currently near the end of Episode 5.

>>15087555
Wow, he started it in October 2014 and he's still going. That's kind of impressive

>>15086738
Watched it on youtube a long while back. It perfectly captured the spirit and characterization of the cast to the point that it made me realize that Umineko really had very well written characters all around.

Why didn't George ever cop a feel? Imagine all of the trouble that could have been avoided.

>>15087572
Yeah, It's been going faster now that he's started doing livestreams to cover 2-3 hours at once, but even then it'll probably be another year or so until he finishes.

Eva > Rosa
Like her witch side, she has a sadistic streak. And while Rosa is stern, angry and cold while beating her kid, Eva really feels it.

In the beginning of act 4, is Ange imagining spending time with Maria because she is reading the diary?

So I just finished this, and it was overall pretty good but it had a lot of dull moments due to, in my opinion, consistent bad choices in plot devices that people ignore because of an overestimation of Ryukishi's abilities as a writer.

I have no interest in discussing or debating any of these plot devices, but does anyone else feel the same?

>>15087769
I mean, yeah. I kind of take Ryukishi's writing with a grain of salt because it's moreso his subject matter that he writes about that's brilliant. Not necessarily his technique, or how he structures the plot. The overall story/concept makes up for a few boring parts and asspulls.

>>15087781
I think he purposefully writes that way. I'm just unsure if he decided his prose that way because of Nasu or just because he wants to to slowly get the reader to understand through repeating the same thing three times before moving on.
His analogies and metaphors are my favorite parts of his writing. Like in Higanbana where he just randomly makes a clock to be a sadistic shit.

So does Beatrice have a dick?
Does that make Battler gay?

>>15087954
>So does Beatrice have a dick?
Better question, does she wear panties under that dress?

>>15087954
I can't believe it took you so long to figure it out.

Do you think Yasu ever got wasted off Kinzo's absinthe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUCV9R_Wp0k

>>15088052
I like to imagine Jessica drinking hard and passing out on the floor, hidden in some far off room because she doesn't want to be cause. And Kanon having to undress her, put on her pajamas and then tucking her to bed.

>>15088071
>cause
doesn't want to be caught*

>>15083509
The trick ending is the true ending.

I've never noticed the chanting before. Pretty spooky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5wA5zcRxzo

>>15063763
Is Battler just resting his head on the table or is he checking out Anges Anges there?

>>15070272
I just can't see Yasu gunning down Jessica, George and Maria face to face in cold blood. Those three never did anything evil to her.

>>15083975
Still a better parent than Kinzo, thats for sure.

>>15089272
He's resting his head on the table, you pervert.

>>15086738
It was quite hillarious.
>Erika powergaming
>Jessica pickpocketing Satan
>Kero
>all that 4th wall breaking
>Maria and Jessica trolling Erikain the bossfight

>>15089291
Yasu is just kinda a total bitch.

>>15088071
Hm.
Her reaction when she wakes up, sees the pyjamas and realizes that this MIGHT be Kanons work would be priceless.

>>15089291
She's just being a selfish cunt

>>15089513
The ones with Erika are the best

>>15089291
Well Yasu never actually got a chance to put their plan into action, so we don't know if they would have been able to go through with it.

>>15089513
Would you have Erika sleep with you and your sister?

>>15090882
Sure, it sounds pretty great actually

>>15090882
As long as she doesn't talk too much.

>>15091882
And what would you want her to be doing? What if she's a real big snorer?

>>15091935
>And what would you want her to be doing?

She should be sleeping so I can touch her without a care in the world.

>>15090048
Heh, it would be funny if literally every mystery and death was basically Kinzo throwing shit out of his window while screaming Beatrice.

>>15090882
Depends if I'm sleeping in a kingsized bed or a singlesized bed.
Erika should be content to sleeping on the floor however, like the good dog she is.

>>15093310
Wouldn't put it past him.

>>15092222
>implying Erika wouldn't stay awake, watching you sleep

>>15093355
But that's what I'd be doing to her. Wouldn't we just be staring at each other awkwardly?

>>15093366
That sounds boring.
How about having slow sex while trying not to wake up your imouto?

>>15093418
>making Erika watch you have slow sex with your sleeping imouto
You monster.

>>15093418
Why slow? If you want to make it exciting you gotta go all the way.

>>15093434
Heh heh.

>>15093459
Because it's more exciting to see if you can get away with something without getting caught.
Slow sex is always the best and most exciting with sleeping people. If you go all the way, it's almost likely that you'll immediately wake her up.
Don't you want to slowly move, unsure whether any action you make might wake her up, as Erika slowly moans louder from masturbating?

>>15093418
How about having rough sex with both of them?

>>15093481
>giving Erika what she wants
>ever

>>15093503
Erika doesn't want dick, unless you happen to be a Game Master.

>>15093515
Everyone who's finished reading Umineko is a Game Master, so of course she wants my dick. And possibly everyone else's dick.

>>15093577
So does that make Erika everybody's actual metafictional waifu?

>>15093577
With 64 unique posters counted so far in this thread alone, that's a lot of dick.
Where would one even start?

>>15094881
Her wanting everybody's dick doesn't make her anyone's waifu.

>>15094881
Absolutely disgusting! Truly horrifying! Immensely intolerable and vomit inducing!

>>15094881
No, it just means she's a slut

>>15094912
She'd start with OP, then the rest can jump in at their leisure.

>>15094963
Or she jumps onto others. Both work.

>>15083793
>for now.
...

What an interesting thread you guys have here. So interesting and unique (sarcasm)

>>15094963
Someone really needs to make more hentai of Erika. There isn't nearly enough

>>15095017
There isn't enough porn of anyone
>tomboy
>lolis
>cowtits
>milfs
>yanderes
>incest
>traps
>fat old men
>harem of stakes
>bunny girls
>cat shota
>femdom Beatrice
>femdom Erika
>goats
>vore
99% of all fetishes are canon and the rest could be explainded with "lol magic"
You could make whatever kind of porn you wanted withUmineko and it could still be plausible

>porn
There's nothing interesting here at the moment. Disappointing.

>>15095039
>femdom Erika

Erika is meant for dominating roughly and you know it

>>15095017
And somehow Erika still has more good porn than Jessica, Lambda and especially Dlanor.

It's pretty distressing.

>>15095015
Twilight of the Golden Witch was released over 5 years ago. Almost everything that could be discussed has already been discussed by this point.

>>15095071
I'm talking to that shitty retarded piece of fucking shit who loves to bitch about me and the other idiot when this thread is the same shit. I find it very hypocrite. I truly hope he die in a fire Just kidding. No hard feelings~

>>15095069
Dlanor has porn? What about Cornelia and Gertrude?

>>15094912
At the beginning of the line, obviously.

>>15094881
No, that just makes her the town whore.

>>15095079
Oh, that.
That one night was still fun.

>>15095109
Indeed, it was a delicious~ I remember that I was a little grumpy because I lost the game, but who cares.

>>15095109
Breasts...
It was a fun thread indeed.

>>15095140
Oh. Hi.

>>15095090
>Dlanor has porn?

Sure. Not terribly much, but she's better off than Cornelia and Gertrude. Think I saw them in like two or three images total.

http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=23865826

>>15095140
Butt.

Remember to ignore and report

Reminder that Battler, Beatrice, Kinzo, Krauss, Natsuhi, Jessica, Eva, George, Kyrie, Rosa, Maria, Genji, Gohda, Kumasawa, the Italians, the Japanese, and/or Agatha Christie could have prevented the tragedy directly, indirectly, purposefully, accidentally and/or incidentally.

>>15095171
Awww~ Grumpy puppy is here to annoy as always.
I... emotions... you... <3

>>15095174
And Yasu could have prevented the tragedy directly by just not being such an little bitch.

>>15095174
I blame Ange.

>>15095159
But there still remains one major question.
Which is better, Teenage Ange's butt or loli Ange?

Oh well, I don't really care. Open your gift, grumpy anon. Bye.

And goodnight to you, guys. Take care.

>>15095196
Loli Ange, duh.

>>15095171
God can't kill me. I hope you remember that very well, you dumb dumb.

I just wanted to say that ;)
Bye-bye~

>>15095321
You can't kill which has no life.

>>15095330
I have a life, you dummy. I just like to play with anon sometimes.

Now, for real, bye. I'm very sleepy.

>>15095355
Sleep and rest easy sea cat.

>>15094914
Can Dlanor be my waifu? We can talk about Knox.

>>15095373
You have good taste, so I'll allow it.

Could Erika stop a speeding bullet using chopsticks?

>>15095452
I don't see how that's logically possible.
I mean, if it was Kinzo doing it, I wouldn't put it past him though.

>>15095487
Why not? She's Mary Sue enough to pull it off.

>>15095493
Incorrect. Erika is a failed Mary Sue. She's smart and liked by everyone, however, she fails at everything.
Being a Mary Sue would probably be enough to accomplish any task, including stopping bullets with chopsticks. But not for Erika. She would fail without fail.
Because she's such a worthless piece.

>>15095529
She manages to solve the epitaph, has a name that's spelled a special way (ヱリカ with ヱ being a defunct character), manages to become a Witch of Truth, and Bernkastel chose her to "insert herself" into the story.
It's like she's deliberately a parody of Mary Sues. And I love it.

>>15095580
>She manages to solve the epitaph
No, she doesn't. Tohya narratively lets her 'solve' the epitaph by basically transporting Battler and Erika to the gold room, without explaining the answer, then lets Erika gloat how *she* solved it. Tohya just let the mystery fans on the internet skip the Epitaph because it was a bonus story for them.
She didn't solve jack shit. Which is funny because Goat-kun actually solved the Epitaph in ep 4.

>Bernkastel chose her to "insert herself" into the story.
Which is basically the literal definition of a Mary Sue, a person putting themselves into a story with bullshit amount of powers over everyone else.
She's a Mary Sue, but a failed one because although she's liked at first and seems to be smart, she just fails at everything.

Seriously, other than the obvious solving of the epitaph that you mentioned, what else has she even done in the whole story of note? Because she's a failed Mary Sue. So if I shot her, she would just die.

>>15095620
>So if I shot her, she would just die.
No, she wouldn't. she's already dead you monster please stop

>>15095620
>So if I shot her, she would just die.

>Shooting a corpse

For real though, shooting her isn't that easy

>>15095662
>>15095667
Exactly, I wouldn't miss.

>>15095702
But Erika died for our sins

Can the Rosatrice theory explain this?

>>15095529
>>15095620
>>15095702
Hello, Rikafag.

I wanna fap

>>15095829
Then do it, dumbass. Come back when you have finished. I want to laugh at you.

beato

cow tits

Just finished reading it all, what a fucking ride that was. I'm now reading each chapter's truth on the wiki, but I still don't really understand the "why dunnit". What exactly are Yasu's motives for commiting the murders if people don't solve the epitah on the first night? I know Yasu's fucked and Battler coming back when she's about to marry George may trigger her, but why kill everybody?

>>15096677
Pretty much everything is explained in Episode 7 and 8 of the manga, so you could just read that if you're still confused about something

>>15096214
It's magic, anon.

>>15095039
Seacats are for reading, not porning.

Bern is kinda a jerk.

>>15097234
Nah, she's funny.

>>15097245
Funny in the head.

>>15097286
She's just a cat, anon. Are there such things as evil animals? I don't think so.

>>15097294
House cats especially kill for pleasure all the time.

>>15097302
>for pleasure
Are you sure? Cats are born with a hunting and chasing instinct. It's just a game for them. There is no evil in them, just a playful spirit.
We're quite alike.

>>15097322
>Hunting and murdering other living things is just a game to them
>Somehow not evil

>>15097353
"Life" is just a mode of existence, not a state of value. It is what a thing that lives does, can do, and might do that makes it worth preserving. Cats understand the true nature of reality. Cats understand the true nature of mice.

Fuck mice.

>>15097353
Don't give me that, anon. We kill, slaughter and cook thousands of animals per day. We're eating the whole world. A little mouse feels tiny compared to that.

>>15097353
You know, I'm not really serious. I love animals. I just don't like to think too much about it because the more I think, the more I realize how little is everything (even life), and then everything feels empty.

We just need to simply have fun and stop overthinking everything. Life is simple and comfy. Happy feelings~

>>15095718
Honestly, I don't think it can.
The solution is still the same. Someone pretended to be dead and killed Nanjo. The problem this red poses is that no one else but Yasu could have done it because it can only be solved with the alternate name to bypass the red.

Rosatrice maintains that the story doesn't rely on this ploy, and that Ryukishi is smarter than that so it must provide an alternate answer. And honestly, I don't see an answer.
I tried to think of some possible way but I can only think of some stupidity like
>George died next to Nanjo from bloodloss and as he fell, the gun hit the floor and randomly shot and hit Nanjo in the head
But that's stupid for many reasons.

This red simply rejects anyone else except Yasu.

>>15097294
Cats are very sadistic and selfish animals, with a sense of entitlement and mystery. It's the reason they were revered in some parts of the world as mystical in ancient times.

>>15097353
>animal acts similar to us
>Somehow evil
Isn't that interesting?

>>15095718
Doesn't the Rosatrice theory deny everything in the manga

>>15097702
To a certain degree, yes. But you cannot say for certain that everything shown in the manga concerning the truth of what Yasu felt isn't complete bullshit.

You have to trust the white text to understand the story but the story also makes it a point that you shouldn't completely believe everything as well. Rosatrice theory just says that it's bullshit meant as a red herring because it's shows everyone as complete idiots, and only idiots would believe that everyone acted retarded the entire story.

To the Rosatrice theory, accepting Shkannon is like accepting the witch and stop thinking. I also don't entirely understand why people dismiss the Rosatrice theory since it basically goes ''yeah, Shkanon has some flaws, but it was all intended'' without saying that the theory is shit, just a red herring. And everyone goes apeshit over it.

>>15097702
Also, to expand, the Rosatrice theory simply denies the end portion of the manga showing the struggles concerning Yasu.

tfw no Erika erper for a bunch of us Anons to rail

>>15098012
I'm a Bern erper.

>>15098012
OH DESIRE

>>15098012
>erper
Why do people waste their time doing that?

why bother with Erika when there are the stakes?

>>15098316
The Stakes are like the girls you circle each week every night to keep things interesting. Erika is the trophy wife you hang on a wall.

>>15098367
More like you're the trophy she hangs on her wall.

>>15098026
Me too

>>15098126
Because text erotica is incredibly exciting. Stimulates the imagination and puts you yourself into the situation. If anything it's more creative and better than porn.

>>15098398
In other words... It's the best you have for the moment, right? Virgin

>>15098398
I'm just joking, nerd. Pls don't mind me.

>>15098389
It's so fun ERPing her, she would go full dominatrix at first to feel superior to everyone but when you somehow are able to meddle with her inner feelings she would start to feel awkward and nervous and would be submissive for you. This is why Lambda can do what she does to Bern.

>>15098398
You don't even need to fap or anything, its like platonic boner.

>>15098422
I actually take a consistent gentle femdom approach wih Bern, teasing and teasing until the partner goes wild with need and begs to cum

>>15098422
Oh, I know who you are. You're one of those anons from /trash/, isn't? I never found those games interesting.

>>15098437
I just have a feeling that if you tease and keep teasing Bern over and over, she would never beg, but feel the need to be stuck in that endless teasing forever.

It seems that only Witches would be able to satisfy our platonic fetishes.

>>15098442
No. Sorry tripfriend.

>>15098385
The only person she'd tape is someone as pathetic as Battler.

>>15098468
Maybe eventually depending on a few factors. I'm talking about when I play as her though and what I do to my partners.

>>15098468
Oh, and I was sure it was you. Nevermind then. I never go to that place anyway. I found about those guys in the archive, looking for some old seacat threads. I read some of those threads. I think it's kind of hilarious

>>15098479
Secret:
I never ERPed as Bern. I just get stuck on ideas.

>>15098488
You should try, it's fun and addictive. Don't stick around /trash/ too long though, it's a real mess.

>>15098495
You're going to get bored very soon, my dear.

Nothing last forever. Those childish games are going to be nothing for you very soon. Bye-bye~

>>15098495
I don't want be related with /trash/ at all. You also can't have good quality RP there.

I really never ERPed seriously in my life.
tfw I just want to write porn hoping I did everything well, but I just can't do it...

>>15098515
We all have to start somewhere when trying something new. The only way to get better is to actually do it and keep doing it so you can slowly learn from it, there are no shortcuts and you can't rush yourself.

>>15098515
Yeah don't bother with /trash/. You should practice and write fapfics for us here

>>15098529
The real problem are the partners, most of the partners are cringy pervert and autists that are more interested on fapping to words then some random porn.

ERP is different from Cybering.

>>15098473

>>15098539
Is this actually a thing? Bizarre. I only used to rp as Bern to annoy certain special person, for fun. To have fun and laugh a little ...Why do you guys take everything so seriously? You guys are like a mystery to me. That's why I keep coming here~
Have fun.

>>15098592
I like to think of it as something that stays on the meta, always inside the Box.

The RPing its fun in terms of being able to write very well and for the sake of writing properly. It is serious because writing itself is serious, not because we take it serious in our life.
You can see it as doing some sketches for fun in a Drawthread, which is not serious. But if you draw really good pieces of art with all your effort, your drawings are serious.
The same goes for writing or RP. You can write funny stories easily, but making your stories or RP look very good with DEEP meanings that can touch other people minds or hearts, the whole thing is serious and people are glad to read your stuff. This is why we also like Umineko right? How autistic we can get with this story and its subjects.

ERP is the same thing, just with an erotic theme. For example, can anyone explain me why Bern and Lambda have lust for each other besides, "its just lesbians"?

It's serious when you really put your effort on something to look good, specially for others.

There is also an other autistic reason why RP and Umineko fits together.

beato

>>15098091
I want to dominate a cute Anon ERPing as Erika with another Anon

So Battler getting killed by the stakes over and over in Ep 3 was the metaworld manifestation of Yasu ravaging Battler's ass right?

I'm new here and was hyped to join the threads as I just finished reading the VN, but all I see is lewd RPers, is it always like this?

>>15099101
No, it's usually just one or two regular RPers that ban evade all the time.
Welcome to purgatory.

>>15099101
You don't want to imagine Erika grunting and squeaking as she's sandwiched by two anons?

>>15099101
Not always, just beware of rikafag and juju.

>>15099101
Just take it easy and Erikapost with us. It'll be fine.

>>15099171
I don't bite like some rabbit dog.

>>15099214
Maybe not, but you are constantly bringing us trouble when that chick is around, derailing the thread with your shit.

>>15099252
Just ignore and report it

>>15099101
It was a civilized discussion with an Umineko topic.

I don't talk for the other shitposters just looking for (You)s.

>>15097366
Well, not everyone does (vegetarians and vegans). I thought it was interesting when Ryukishi explored these themes in the final chapter of Higanbana's first night:

"No animal is born wishing to become our food. In the same way, no person is born wishing to be bullied. If I can pretend not to hear the death screams of the animals, and aimlessly go about eating meat...
'You could even join that group of people bullying here and spend every day having fun with everyone.'"

>>15099101
Welcome to /jp/, I'd say. It's nothing but weird fetish posting about touhou and idols.

>>15100861
I'm new to this general, not the board. Still surprised to see erpers, we all talk about fucking characters but I rarely see people rping them in other threads

>>15100906
There was no erping going on in this thread, just talk about wanting it. If it were posted on this board it would be deleted and the rpers banned.

>>15100855
Every year millions of animals are killed by wheat and soy bean combines during harvesting season. So unless you grow and harvest the your own food, a vegan/vegetarian diet can still mean the death of animals being involved. It doesn't even wind up as food, it's just wasted meat.

>>15100907
It was actually a discussion about it and its was interesting.

Why do Shannon and Kanon exist in ch7 if it happens in a universe where Lion doesn't become a witch?

>>15101019
It's a weird world of different fragments stitched together. Lion doesn't know Shannon or Kanon in that world, and they don't know him

>>15064876

Poor execution even though the character progression was shown properly.

>>15101019
Bern did something strange by merging several kakeras together. Willard gets it almost instantly and it is confirmed by Bern later.

>>15095109
I still have some of the Jessica images left over from that night. Never gonna forget.

>>15099189
That's pretty much what I come here for that this point, Erika posting, Stake posting, and the occasional good conversation.

>>15100909
Ah yes, the old "because we can't save every life, we should kill everyone" justification. The same justification which tells us that, since people are killed in car accidents, it's morally justifiable to run people over for fun. See the related pic, too.

>>15100855
Animals can't wish, therefore it's fine to eat them. However, humans don't want to be bullied because we wish to live peacefully.

Plus, I apathetically don't care about the animals that I don't hear crying in their final moments before being pushed into the slaughterhouse. And with bullying, you somewhat have to be there in person. It's like judging a person badly for their apathy of something they've never seen or heard. It's not like a person slaughters a cow before they cook it to eat. You just buy it at the grocery store. Even butchers eat the meat that they cut.

>>15100909
That's somewhat untrue. Food will not go immediately bad just because *you* don't decide to eat meat. A vegan not eating meat is simply following his moral code and feeling pure/better about themselves. Honestly, that line of thinking is just putting guilt on vegans for choosing not to follow the herd of society that eats meat
>don't you feel bad for wasting meat by not eating the already dead animal? It's all your fault!

Similarly, we don't live in an age where we use animals to plow the fields. And even if animals did die due to wheat and soy beans combines, it's not a net loss.
>you can't save EVERY animal from dying, so you should remove your morals and participate in the tradition of eating the flesh of the living like everyone else!
Absolutism doesn't get anyone anywhere. Sure, it might help a person's consciousness concerning their morals if they grow their own food but it's all about choosing your principles and how far you'll push them depending on what kind of person you are.

>/jp/ - morals committee

>>15101019
Depending on which theory you believe in, the answer is different.
For Shkannon, it's basically that Bernkastel merged kakeras to create a miracle and which is why meta and physical beings are able to walk together.
For Rosatrice, it's more the opposite. Bernkastel created a catbox within a catbox, by letting Lion live, and showing that Lion being alive shows that Lion in unconnected to Shannon and Kanon. What Bernkastel did was not merge kakera but create the impossible variable that the baby was not thrown off the cliff. Everything afterwards is not meta but actually real, except whenever Bernkastel shows up. Ep 7 is basically adding Lion to the mix and the only apparent changes is that Kinzo doesn't die of old age and Battler doesn't come back.
The Rosatrice theory claims that the baby actually did die, which is why ep 7 is more of a miracle by letting Lion live.
This leads to people questioning the 'Shannon acting weird' in front of Will, but, to me, that's just her stating that if Shannon and Kanon came in the same room, the world would shut down, because it's a XYZ rule that Kanon and Shannon cannot be in the same room as the detective. People interpret that in the opposite way, that getting Shannon and Kanon together is an impossibility, because they're one person, and it would be a loss on her, but people forget that Shannon was warning Will that it would be his loss, not hers.

Whichever theory is correct is up to you to decide.

>>15102175
The only problem I have with the Rosatrice theory is really trying to explain how Rosa was in love with Battler, since that was a kind of important part of Beatrice's motivation, and what hints there were that could have pointed to such an attraction. Not that I'm not opposed to the idea, of course.

>>15102182
I honestly don't know how she ended up loving Battler. I think Rosa took up Shannon's love for Battler as a way to help her cope with her sadness and actually ended up loving him. If you make Claire into Rosa, who listens to Shannon cry after waiting so long for Battler to come back, it somewhat explains that beginning spark but not the love itself. I find a stretch, but meh. If Rosa was as delusional as the Rosatrice claims she was, it doesn't really matter.
Something I find funny is that a good part of the fandom does recognize and joke that Rosa loves Battler. Not in the same way that Beatrice loves Battler, but still similar enough. It's like subconsciously, people knew that Rosa had some affection for Battler.

>>15102194
She does treat battler a bit differently in canon, I'll give you that. The only thing that really implied any overt attraction on either end was during episode 5 when Rosa was helping battler out solving the epitaph. I kinda wanna see it, but a lot of stretches need to be made to make it work.

>>15102175
How does the Rosatrice theory work for truths? Like at the end of ep6, when it is claimed as truth that Kanon made Battler escape and hid in the closet, but he wasn't there? I don't see any way to explain it beside "Yasu killed his Kanon persona so Kanon wasn't in the closet".

>>15102428
Erika shot the closet with her gun and killed Kanon. It's really just that simple. Kanon can't exist and be alive if he's dead. I find the whole ''Yasu killed her persona'' to be foolish. Especially when the manga makes it clear that there was no persona, only a single person playing different roles.
People can't seem to decide if Yasu had multiple personalities or if she's/he's a single person playing different roles. The manga says that it's the latter but before, people kept flip flopping on which one was correct.

>>15102460
It's not about personalities, it's about names. As the manga explains, Kanon hid in the closet, dropped the name Kanon, and therefore 'Kanon' was not in the closet

>>15102482
I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, the blue truth is not the red truth. A false blue truth is just as effective of an answer as the real truth. Nowhere does the manga confirm this page, nor does Battler.
Just like how Beatrice accepted all those crap blue truth in ep 4 from Battler.

>>15102510
Whether you believe the blue truth or not is up to you. My point is that according to the manga, Yasu doesn't have multiple personalities, she has multiple names that she switches between

>>15102530
And as I said, before the manga, people kept flip flopping between which was the truth, and the latter is the one the manga chooses.
However, that page does not disprove that Kanon was shot by Erika and no longer exists. That blue truth simply gives an alternative explanation which may or may not be accurate, just like small bombs.

You're basically just reaffirming what I just said. Which is why I have to repeat that the blue truth is not the red truth, and Battler does not confirm the blue truth to be accurate.

>>15102546
You're right, but if Erika really did shoot him, why would she use this explanation? Why didn't she just say that she killed him?

>>15102559
>if Erika really did shoot him, why would she use this explanation?
If I might be so bold as to give an explanation for why she used this explanation, I think it's a red herring. Or maybe the truth, depending on who sees it I guess? The manga explicitly gives the answer basically everyone imagined and knew. Either through name change or personaly change, it's still the same answer that Kanon switched to become Shannon and then Kanon 'escaped'. Erika is parroting everyone's answer to how Kanon escaped. So that you, and others, might think
>oh, look, Erika is giving the exact explanation and solution I thought, this is the truth, why else would she be saying that?
And as I said, giving an incorrect blue truth is not equivalent as a red truth. This is why small bombs is accepted even though it's completely ridiculous and bullshit.

>Why didn't she just say that she killed him?
She didn't think of it. She shot Battler in the closet, then time stopped, the idea of Kanon escaping from the room with Jessica and the others came about, Kanon switched places with Battler and then died at his place. She was caught up with the idea of Kanon escaping.

Maybe it's the truth, maybe it's a red herring. Who knows.