/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Reminder that:
Connect the World - 07/02/2023
>first ever full EN concert
>special song reminiscent of SSS written just for it to show that holoEN are an extremely important part of the EN branch
>in one of the most prestigious theaters in LA
>tickets and merch sold out to the fans in seconds
>massive Shibuya ad campaign
>everyone in the vtubing sphere was hyped up for it
>all the ENs involved still manage to maintain their regular streaming schedules
>starring role in holosummer
>trended on Twitter and regarded as one of the best hololive concerts ever at the largest anime event outside of Japan
>25000 paying online viewers and 5000 onsite viewers bragged about in Cover's financial report
>merch reruns due to popular demand
>boasts of superstar performers like Bae, Gura and Kiara
>has the popular JP holos Suisei and Marine as guests
>won Concert of the Year at the annual Vtuber Awards
>merch rerun multiple times by popular demand
>one of the major reasons Cover is rebranding to Cover USA
>will get a Connect the World 2 sequel this year

Twinkle 4 You - 07/07/2023
>crappy 2000 capacity theater
>fucked up the ticket selling and ended up having to refund everyone
>most tickets sold to scalpers instead of the fans
>merch not sold out, overstocked and some buyers have even sought to refund their purchases due to regret
>only ads are on Tiktok
>zero hype from other vtubers
>zero streams because they're lazy
>collab to try and "hype" up the concert can't even get 30k people watching during minimal overlap
>relegated to background status in holosummer
>no one talking about it on Twitter
>was a flop with online viewers and only sold 2000 tickets to onsite viewers
>memoryholed in Cover's financial report because it was a holostar-tier embarrassment
>zero buzz on any holo-related fan community
>no guests because no one likes them
>not even nominated for anything at the annual Vtuber Awards
>merch didn't get any reruns because of zero demand
>will not get a Twinkle 4 You 2 sequel this year

>>72173544
Reminder that:
Connect the World - 07/02/2023
>first ever full EN concert
>special song reminiscent of SSS written just for it to show that holoEN are an extremely important part of the EN branch
>in one of the most prestigious theaters in LA
>tickets and merch sold out to the fans in seconds
>massive Shibuya ad campaign
>everyone in the vtubing sphere was hyped up for it
>all the ENs involved still manage to maintain their regular streaming schedules
>starring role in holosummer
>trended on Twitter and regarded as one of the best hololive concerts ever at the largest anime event outside of Japan
>25000 paying online viewers and 5000 onsite viewers bragged about in Cover's financial report
>merch reruns due to popular demand
>boasts of superstar performers like Bae, Gura and Kiara
>has the popular JP holos Suisei and Marine as guests
>won Concert of the Year at the annual Vtuber Awards
>merch rerun multiple times by popular demand
>one of the major reasons Cover is rebranding to Cover USA
>will get a Connect the World 2 sequel this year


Twinkle 4 You - 07/07/2023
>crappy 2000 capacity theater
>fucked up the ticket selling and ended up having to refund everyone
>most tickets sold to scalpers instead of the fans
>merch not sold out, overstocked and some buyers have even sought to refund their purchases due to regret
>only ads are on Tiktok
>zero hype from other vtubers
>zero streams because they're lazy
>collab to try and "hype" up the concert can't even get 30k people watching during minimal overlap
>relegated to background status in holosummer
>no one talking about it on Twitter
>was a flop with online viewers and only sold 2000 tickets to onsite viewers
>memoryholed in Cover's financial report because it was a holostar-tier embarrassment
>zero buzz on any holo-related fan community
>no guests because no one likes them
>not even nominated for anything at the annual Vtuber Awards
>merch didn't get any reruns because of zero demand
>will not get a Twinkle 4 You 2 sequel this year

There is a lot of reasons for Holostars to exist. Hololive lost viewers to Nijisanji, particularly due to the lack of male vtubers, and the fucking segregation - segregation that like it or not, will end fully end eventually. Cover made it clear many times, that it doesn't like traditional idol culture, and they want to break that tradition. The idol concept of Holo is just aesthetic. Cover plans to grow and expand holo, and it time break the walls. Even if the unicorns get angry and leave, they will get replaced by more casual fans. At the end of the day, unicorns are bad for business, as they are stressful for talents to deal with, and can turn against their oshi's for the dumbest of reasons. There is a lot of bitching about Niji sisters here and how disloyal they are, as if the males hadn't been canceling vtuber girls for years, for all sort petty reasons. Ironically, the first waves of EN fans of Holo, where very chill. When the JP audience tried to eat Towa alive because they heard a male voice in her room, it was the Western audience who had their back. Back then, the idea of caring about the personal lives of vtubers was ridiculous, and not wanting them to interact with males, it was something only mentally ill JP otaku cared about. It was this fucking community that brought that cancer to Hololive.

POTENTIAL AND THE FEMALE MARKET
So back to Holostars - there is a massive female audience to tap in. This was obvious in Japan with Nijisanji, which is dominated by male vtubers, with a dominant female audience. But is also Nijisani that showed Cover that there is a massive audience for male vtubers in the West too. There is also a substantial male audience, who would rather watch a male vtuber than a female one. Those are all niches that Cover would be insane to not cover. Growth potential will always be there. What Stars always needed was that one Coco-level talent, that would break walls and bring attention to it. Moreover, especially StarsEN had been held back by a hate campaign, that didn't necessary came from Hololive. Lot's of Vox sista's have been rather scared of StarsEN since the start. But in any case, even if is slow now, Stars is a bet that will eventually deliver... Plus, the reality is that Stars look like a flop only because peoples compare them with Hololive, but, in reality, they are above most corpo's, and for most part, they get similar and better numbers than NijiEN.

PROFITABILITY
Additionally, they are more profitable than you think. Betle from StarsEN for example, is somewhere in the middle when it comes to earnings, exceeding even many JP Hololive talents, Towa, Kanata, Nene, Fubuki, Ayame - he made nearly double what Suisei made in SC's - HoloEN like Mumei, Bae, Korni, and even other big names outside Holo, like Kson or Salome, Patra, Kanae and Luca. Is dumb to just look at CCV's and conclude how popular someone is, because a 500 CCV of loyal whales, is more valuable than 30 000 viewers that don't spend on you. Gura for example, has never been a leading figure in Myth when it comes to SC's. Scarle Yonaguni from NijiEN on the other hand, is the biggest female NijiEN SC earner, despise a low CCV.

>>71180030
There is a lot of reasons for Holostars to exist. Hololive lost viewers to Nijisanji, particularly due to the lack of male vtubers, and the fucking segregation - segregation that like it or not, will end fully end eventually. Cover made it clear many times, that it doesn't like traditional idol culture, and they want to break that tradition. The idol concept of Holo is just aesthetic. Cover plans to grow and expand holo, and it time break the walls. Even if the unicorns get angry and leave, they will get replaced by more casual fans. At the end of the day, unicorns are bad for business, as they are stressful for talents to deal with, and can turn against their oshi's for the dumbest of reasons. There is a lot of bitching about Niji sisters here and how disloyal they are, as if the males hadn't been canceling vtuber girls for years, for all sort petty reasons. Ironically, the first waves of EN fans of Holo, where very chill. When the JP audience tried to eat Towa alive because they heard a male voice in her room, it was the Western audience who had their back. Back then, the idea of caring about the personal lives of vtubers was ridiculous, and not wanting them to interact with males, it was something only mentally ill JP otaku cared about. It was this fucking community that brought that cancer to Hololive.

POTENTIAL AND THE FEMALE MARKET
So back to Holostars - there is a massive female audience to tap in. This was obvious in Japan with Nijisanji, which is dominated by male vtubers, with a dominant female audience. But is also Nijisani that showed Cover that there is a massive audience for male vtubers in the West too. There is also a substantial male audience, who would rather watch a male vtuber than a female one. Those are all niches that Cover would be insane to not cover. Growth potential will always be there. What Stars always needed was that one Coco-level talent, that would break walls and bring attention to it. Moreover, especially StarsEN had been held back by a hate campaign, that didn't necessary came from Hololive. Lot's of Vox sista's have been rather scared of StarsEN since the start. But in any case, even if is slow now, Stars is a bet that will eventually deliver... Plus, the reality is that Stars look like a flop only because peoples compare them with Hololive, but, in reality, they are above most corpo's, and for most part, they get similar and better numbers than NijiEN.

PROFITABILITY
Additionally, they are more profitable than you think. Betle from StarsEN for example, is somewhere in the middle when it comes to earnings, exceeding even many JP Hololive talents, Towa, Kanata, Nene, Fubuki, Ayame - he made nearly double what Suisei made in SC's - HoloEN like Mumei, Bae, Korni, and even other big names outside Holo, like Kson or Salome, Patra, Kanae and Luca. Is dumb to just look at CCV's and conclude how popular someone is, because a 500 CCV of loyal whales, is more valuable than 30 000 viewers that don't spend on you. Gura for example, has never been a leading figure in Myth when it comes to SC's. Scarle Yonaguni from NijiEN on the other hand, is the biggest female NijiEN SC earner, despise a low CCV.

Reminder that:
Connect the World - 07/02/2023
>first ever full EN concert
>special song reminiscent of SSS written just for it to show that holoEN are an extremely important part of the EN branch
>in one of the most prestigious theaters in LA
>tickets and merch sold out to the fans in seconds
>massive Shibuya ad campaign
>everyone in the vtubing sphere was hyped up for it
>all the ENs involved still manage to maintain their regular streaming schedules
>starring role in holosummer
>trended on Twitter and regarded as one of the best hololive concerts ever at the largest anime event outside of Japan
>25000 paying online viewers and 5000 onsite viewers bragged about in Cover's financial report
>merch reruns due to popular demand
>boasts of superstar performers like Bae, Gura and Kiara
>has the popular JP holos Suisei and Marine as guests
>won Concert of the Year at the annual Vtuber Awards
>merch rerun multiple times by popular demand
>one of the major reasons Cover is rebranding to Cover USA
>will get a Connect the World 2 sequel this year


Twinkle 4 You - 07/07/2023
>crappy 2000 capacity theater
>fucked up the ticket selling and ended up having to refund everyone
>most tickets sold to scalpers instead of the fans
>merch not sold out, overstocked and some buyers have even sought to refund their purchases due to regret
>only ads are on Tiktok
>zero hype from other vtubers
>zero streams because they're lazy
>collab to try and "hype" up the concert can't even get 30k people watching during minimal overlap
>relegated to background status in holosummer
>no one talking about it on Twitter
>was a flop with online viewers and only sold 2000 tickets to onsite viewers
>memoryholed in Cover's financial report because it was a holostar-tier embarrassment
>zero buzz on any holo-related fan community
>no guests because no one likes them
>not even nominated for anything at the annual Vtuber Awards
>merch didn't get any reruns because of zero demand
>will not get a Twinkle 4 You 2 sequel this year

>>64502113
The thing is like I said, you have two Japanese companies with massive reaches in Japan who have done practically nothing to solidify their EN market. There has been no real expansion into the West when it comes to things like three performances here, we saw for the first time ever this year, a 3D performance from both Hololive and Niji in the US and it was at a single convention.
There are countless anime conventions that take place anymore in the US during the summer especially, but we have seen very little initiative to get either company in those markets. Even though literally people are selling merch based off of people in the company, at those conventions and they're having record profits. We're seeing not a whole lot of initiative to expand into the West outside of just making more 2D avatars for people who are interested.
We need more of a push for actual 3D events and actual concerts and stuff like that that are happening in the US, or even outside of the US places like Canada, Europe, any western country.
Nintendo knows that the English market is a huge reason that they're so popular and when they have Nintendo directs and stuff like that they literally have people translating to English because they know that the English market is so good when it comes to Japanese products and it's only been getting better over the past couple of years. Anime isn't as stigmatized as it used to be in the west by any means and quite frankly we're even getting an anime about a Vtuber next season.

I do blame permissions from games as well, because these games that these big twitch streamers in the West that are face cam streamer and stuff like that are playing, they're playing with mods and of course some of the games we can't even seem to get permission for without mods.

You bring up pc and idol But both of those companies have had some steady growth in the West, especially PC. Yeah they're not that high when it comes to viewer count but they've been getting higher and higher this year alone they've grown exponentially. It's not a case of people being done with vtubers it's a case of Japanese corporations who don't seem to want to actually expand into the West or devote the time and resources to making the west care again.

Reminder that:
Connect the World
>tickets sold out within seconds, they released a second batch of tickets that was sold out instantly
>95% of merch sold out within a month, even resale merch is selling out despite the concert being over
>huge support from the rest of the company with the most popular ID and JP guests showing up in support
>has a brand new song written by the composer of SSS to prove that EN is a vital part of hololive
>massive Shibuya ad campaign
>everyone in the vtubing sphere was hyped up for it
>all the ENs involved still manage to maintain their regular streaming schedules
>starring role in holosummer
>trended on Twitter and regarded as one of the best hololive concerts ever at the largest anime event outside of Japan
>more people chatting in the mega debuff hololive EN main channel during the concert preview

Twinkle 4 You
>tickets needed three attempts and still couldn't sell out
>tickets were subject of a scalping controversy
>merch still not sold out and they had to try and give it away for free
>no guests want to show up
>no good songs, only failures
>only ads are on Tiktok
>zero hype from other vtubers
>zero streams because they're lazy
>collab to try and "hype" up the concert can't even get 30k people watching during minimal overlap
>relegated to background status in holosummer
>no one talking about it on Twitter
>less people chatting in the buff hololive main channel during the concert preview

Reminder that:
Connect the World
>tickets sold out within seconds, they released a second batch of tickets that was sold out instantly
>95% of merch sold out within a month, even resale merch is selling out despite the concert being over
>huge support from the rest of the company with the most popular ID and JP guests showing up in support
>has a brand new song written by the composer of SSS to prove that EN is a vital part of hololive
>massive Shibuya ad campaign
>everyone in the vtubing sphere was hyped up for it
>all the ENs involved still manage to maintain their regular streaming schedules
>starring role in holosummer
>trended on Twitter and regarded as one of the best hololive concerts ever at the largest anime event outside of Japan

Twinkle 4 You
>tickets needed three attempts and still haven't sold out
>tickets were subject of a scalping controversy
>merch still not sold out and they had to try and give it away for free
>no guests want to show up
>no good songs, only failures
>only ads are on Tiktok
>zero hype from other vtubers
>zero streams because they're lazy
>collab to try and "hype" up the concert can't even get 30k people watching during minimal overlap
>relegated to background status in holosummer
>no one talking about it on Twitter

Reminder that:
Connect the World
>tickets sold out within seconds, they released a second batch of tickets that was sold out instantly
>95% of merch sold out within a month
>huge support from the rest of the company with the most popular ID and JP guests showing up in support
>has a brand new song written by the composer of SSS to prove that EN is a vital part of hololive
>massive Shibuya ad campaign
>everyone in the vtubing sphere is hyped up for it
>all the ENs involved still manage to maintain their regular streaming schedules
>starring role in holosummer
>trended on Twitter and regarded as one of the best hololive concerts ever at the largest anime event outside of Japan

Twinkle 4 You
>tickets needed three attempts and still haven't sold out
>tickets were subject of a scalping controversy
>merch still not sold out
>no guests want to show up
>no good songs, only failures
>only ads are on Tiktok
>zero hype
>zero streams because they're lazy
>collab to try and "hype" up the concert can't even get 30k people watching during minimal overlap
>relegated to background status in holosummer
>no one talking about it

>>52431930
Hello to everyone who always reads my notebook!
My name is Kuwae, and I am in charge of Human Resources and Recruiting Public Relations at COVER Co.

Did you know that one of the biggest events for hololive productions is coming up in a few days?
It is "hololive English 1st Concert -Connect the World-".

hololive English's first overall live performance "hololive English 1st Concert -Connect the World-" MV of the original song will be released for the first time and digitally released!

This event, which will take place at the YouTube Theater in Los Angeles, USA, is not only Hololive English's first overall live performance, but also Hololive Productions' first international live performance.
For this reason, a large number of people involved in the event are currently flying to the area.

One of them is TANIGO, President of COVER CORPORATION, known as YAGOO. In this issue, we would like to share with you his thoughts on the opening of "hololive English 1st Concert -Connect the World-" as written by TANIGO before his business trip in his notebook.

Message from TANIGO, Representative Director
Thank you for your continued support of Hololive Productions and our talent!

It has been almost 6 years since Hololive Productions was born. It has also been almost three years since HololiveEnglish made its debut, and thanks to all of you, we have grown into a popular group.

We would like to bring this culture of VTubers born in Japan to the world.

As we have been holding live shows every year starting with hololive 1st fes. "Non-Stop Story", not only distribution on YouTube but also live shows at real live venues are one of the most important experiences that VTubers can deliver to their fans.

However, due to the coronavirus and other factors, VTubers have not been able to hold live shows outside of Japan until now.

We are very happy to finally be able to hold hololive English's first full live concert "hololive English 1st Concert -Connect the World-" in North America. We are able to hold this concert thanks to all the fans who have been supporting us. We hope you will watch over us as we take our first steps forward.

We hope that everyone who will be at the concert and everyone who will be watching the live streaming will enjoy it to the fullest!

July 2 (Japan time: July 3), when this performance will be held, is also a memorable day for Cover Inc. Although it is far away from here, all of us at COVER wish the success of the live event!

>>47867100
True but she's not the kind to force these kind of people on those she collabs with. She's pretty well behaved on collabs unless it's someone she's close with. But I still see the majority of them avoiding her like the plague especially after the whole wizard game debacle.

>>47867174
Tekken 8 also looks very exciting. The other title that competes with them popularity wise is Mortal Kombat, but that franchise is pretty much dead in Japan and I don't even know how the gore censorship shit works with streaming on Youtube so it might be a REmake4 situation where they'll be forced to age restrict the stream and at this point why even bother? Also same with ArcSys current direction, I only trust them when they're working on third party IPs since they're essentially doing commission work and aren't fully in control.

>>47867264
Yeah, Pippa is mostly because she's currently the biggest vtuber from a smaller agency and considerably bigger than most of Tempus, so it would be more a putting your name out there for a bigger audience kinda of thing. Outside of her there's no popular non-Hololive/non-Nijisanji/non-Vshojo vtuber or mostly vtuber-based circle in the EN scene.

>>41110412
im not good at summaries but
>It was Faunas first trip to Asia, she had only been outside america on a trip to Paris before
>Arriving in Japan gave her a bit of paris syndrome, too spoiled on anime!
>Visited Akiba, seeing lots of maids out on the street, saw an otome road.
>Felt like a normie because she loves wearing jirai kei and it was everywhere
>Bae gave her a tip to bring a tote bag just for purchases, she filled it completely when packing for the airport
>When she met IRyS she saw her wearing a pin that reads 'cutie', absolutely obsessed with how bubbly IRyS is
>Had lunch and went to a cat cafe with Watame
>Met Asagi mama and got a hand drawn original image, also thought she had a perfect voice for vtubing
>Met Noel as well, felt like she would die in her presence if they did a duo asmr
>Realised she has met every holotori now, loved Subarus English
>Really thankful to Lui and that she got to eat Japanese home-cooking
>Believes Bae is a crane game god now after seeing her get 3 subaru figures
>Seeing hololive stuff in public gave her quite a overwhelming culture shock, saw Gura plastered on a train for example
>Bought an AZKi acrylic stand
>Started a collection of piplup merchandise because theres so much pokemon stuff to buy, also obsessed with piplup now despite bulbasaur still being her favourite
>Got her nails done in a cute Japanese style, unsure if theres any nail salon that does similar things in america, feels like theyre a good reminder of her trip and will be sad when the gel falls off
>She fed deer in Nara park, but they were aggressive and headbutted her
>Still impressed with Japanese infrastructure especially wending machines and hot tea
>Went to a total tourist trap shop and bought a bunch of key chain souvenirs
>Picked up fanmail from cover, the rest will ha e to ship later
>Found gachapon for Odd Taxi, would have never guessed it was popular enough
>Surprised that everything was closed during new years, got a medium fortune from omikuji
>Found lots of drinks with Kirin brands (kirin loves sports, kirin tea, kirin beer) couldnt try everything
>On the girls night drinking, bae was really unsteady so they walked arm in arm, and IRyS held her other arm, she proclaimed them to be her ladies
>a little mad about her alcohol tolerance despite being a small person, she doesn't even drink that much
>recalled the thigh squishing story, IRyS started it, and then she felt them too
>really felt her japanese neurons connecting really quickly, but she mostly survived with lots of nervous 'sumimasen's and 'onegaishimasu' s

>>39898511
>Hololive is only popular outside of japan, they said.
people believed this

>>39898511
>Hololive is only popular outside of japan, they said.
Nobody has ever said this.

Hololive is a fad, they said.
Hololive is only popular outside of japan, they said.

>>38935260
"In actuality, this was a test by cover, as prior test as follows according to timeline:
Gen 1: Hitomi Chris which was accidentally sacrificed before debut, catalyzed the christmas miracle 3 months later that year.
Gen 5: In an attempt to emulate the christmas miracle to recover from the China yab, sacrificing Mano Aloe at debut, which succeeded in the massive success that was HoloEN 1.
HoloCN: which was sacrificed in it's entirety to receive global acclaim, truly cementing their position as hegemony in the stage outside Japan free from Bilibili increasingly tight grip.

Noticing this trend at the time, YAGOO decided that to experiment, if the popularity of the graduated would bring different results, conveniently starting with Coco who was the highest superchatted yet controversial which resulted in the first high profile graduation and highest ccv stream at the time which stabilized the reclining hype. All this point to the fact that 1 sacrifice can ensure the stability of the gen.
As it worked, someone was selected next to ensure the golden gen would prosper, a fierce internal battle was started to decide if Rushia or Pekora would be it, Rushia 'winning' by virtue of being the next #1 superchat queen.
The next test is if the popularity would affect the blessing with Sana who graduated, smallest of the time with little to no fanfare, which didn't do anything to stablize the prosperity of council signifying that only the strongest member sacrificed would the effect hold. Signifying dark things for Laplus of hololive X.

Conclusion1 : Sacrificing a newly debutee would lead to a miracle. While sacrificing the most popular would stabalize the common prosperity of the respective gen.

>>23859221
to start off with, just a perfect storm of basically everything
the previous life (of which people were speculating about before she even debuted, but by no means did it guarantee that those people would decide to follow gura), loli, memes from debut, good voice and on top of that good singing, starting off with a well known song, appealing to the japanese audience (often times unintentionally (or was it intentional all along?)), popular clips resulting in a youtube algorithm feedback loop; similar to what happened with vtubers like korone or miko or pekora (and by extension others in hololive/ other vtubers) if you watched basically anything anime related on youtube around late 2019 going into 2020. and of course the pandemic, but vtubers were growing in popularity before the pandemic. and most things on the internet saw increased viewership at that time of course. it's still one of the factors i feel is important to include, though
she's not dumb by any means and i know for a fact she would still be successful if she joined hololive at a different time, or never even joined at all. but so many things were done perfectly (whether intentionally or unintentionally)
for example, her duolingo stream was executed in a near perfect manner to increase her popularity among japanese fans and rocket her into mainstream popularity in Japan, going outside of the vtuber sphere. you may get that stream recommended to you frequently even
still, probably because japanese fans are watching it again and again to this day.
i've seen a few people here and there say shit like "she didn't work as hard as the others to get it, so she doesn't deserve/didn't earn it", but you don't just achieve 3mil+ going on 4 mil through dumb luck. the pandemic is the only factor out of her control. the success came as a result of her and her efforts, as it does for everyone else. the algorithm may seem like luck, but even if an algorithmic feedback loop happens, it still has to be something that catches people's attention and that they actually want to watch and share around for other people to see it. otherwise, the content just loses momentum and doesn't go out into recommendations for other people to watch: that's how the algorithm works.
another thing, it takes years to learn how to sing. it's not something anyone just knows how to do, even if they seem "naturally talented" or started at a young age. they still had to spend hours, days, weeks, months, and years, honing that ability. especially to do it well in another language they don't even speak, which I have seen mentioned many times in the comments of her japanese songs covers.
anyway just a few things i noticed

>>20513334
The only thing I'm going to complain about now is the expo being an event that is exclusive to Japan. Hololive is big enough and popular enough now outside of Japan that there is really no reason not to have a Hololive Expo: Europe, Hololive Expo: America and Hololive: Expo Australia.

God I wanna go.

>>12807801
Well, I know Kson doesn't count for today because it was a cosplay stream.
>>12807811
Pekora's probably more popular in Japan specifically, but the only thing Gura has over Pekora is sub count. If that's the metric for popularity then yea, Gura is more popular.
Just for pure metrics, I wish I could poll 100k people distributed randomly, and ask them who is the most popular Hololive member just to answer the question outside of 'subs' though.

>>12555768
I don't know why you'd do that comparison lmao, Niji's Halloween was a thousand fucking times better because of Drunk Elira.
To me, they have more freedom in what they can get away with, who they can collab with, and the types of streams they do. I'll agree that so far none of them has had any particularly creative streams outside of Pomu sometimes.
>>12555574
You're a fucking retard lmao. So far, in all of Hololive outside Japan, Gura has been the only one to land a deal with Taco Bell. More subs may mean more memberships, but we don't know that conclusively. Speaking in terms of purely supas, let's compare Rosemi, who debuted around the same time as Council did, who has approximately 80k subs less than Sana, the least subbed Council member.
She has made 44k through superchats alone, whereas Fauna, Baelz and Mumei, who belong to Hololive and are at least 3x as subbed as Rosemi, all have only made 47k. They average in more viewers than Rosemi too, whose average is 1.2k live viewers. They are more than doing fine anon.
If this numberfagging establishes any sort of trend, it's that dedication to a vtuber varies from fanbase to fanbase, but those with less subscribers tend to have a more engaged audience.
To put things into perspective: Rosemi is the least subbed of Obsydia. Pomu, who was the original subject, is the least subbed of Lazulight. Even Selen, who is probably the most popular NijiEN member, hasn't made what Pomu has through supas. Keep coping.

>>12413216
Going to make one last post about this until next month, here is as far as I can tell every vtuber outside the two big companies who has made over $100k so far in 2021
>kson - $306,323
You know who this is and why she's here, just glance at who is *still* top of the Holo chart.
>Zaki - $197,054
Hedgehog who plays mahjong, seriously no idea how he's up this high. Made a ton of money last year and in the first half of 2021 but kind of fell off a cliff recently.
>Shirayuki Mishiro - $185,228
Noripro's most popular member other than Tamaki himself, I'll admit I don't watch them enough to know much about them but their SC earnings are ridiculously strong for their size.
>Amano Pikamee - $168,746
You know who this is, trailblazer for English language vtubing and one of the few non-Hololive members most casual globalfags know.
>Ikinone Tomeru - $152,816
Newest member of Deep Web Underground's group, streamed Apex virtually non-stop for 3 weeks, as for how she gets so much money I think this clip will explain better than I ever could https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSdwx6Wud5Y
>Suou Patra - $151,373
ASMR queen, if you're a regular viewer of this thread I'm sure you've seen her huge CCV for weekly ASMR streams, funnily enough she makes most of her SC money from zatsudans etc. that have much fewer views though (please watch her other streams they're really great)
>Inaba Haneru - $148,323
The other pillar of 774 along with Patra, best known by most people for her massive collabs with vtubers from all over the industry. I can't say much about her solo streams but she's been consistently a top earner from 2018 to today.
>TobaRana - $140,008
Taiwanese vtuber who I know nothing about because I don't know any Chinese. By far the highest earner who isn't from Japan or a Japanese company though which is very impressive.
>Hoozuki Warabe - $135,512
Another Noripro, cute hag from Rushia's character designer.
>Oma Kirara - $134,247
More Noripros, this one is some sort of demon girl with a cute tummy, only debuted in March so impressive to be this high already.
>QuonTama - $125,790
One of the best vtuber singers around, incredibly popular with the Taiwanese (almost all her SCs are NT$), Haachama's sister. Belongs to a small corp but I've never seen any of their other talents.
>Shibuya Hal - $123,464
If you're in this thread you know who this is.
>Tenshi Nano - $115,523
Most popular member of lewdtuber group Masquerade, does lots of ASMR and came on stream at least once.
>Yumeno Lilith - $112,042
Yet another Noripro, kind of amazing she's on here after talking about her backdoor shenanigans with her ex-boyfriend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6gyJ42Ym04
>Ayamy - $106,935
Mel's mama, made an absolute ton of money in spring and early summer after leaning heavily into GFE but dropped off a bit since then.
>Kakyoin Chieri - $104,412
One of the few remaining members still part of the lifeless husk that was once Idol-bu, glad she's still doing okay but I will never forget Natori or forgive .LIVE

>>12357151
Sure, but how many of those subscribers stuck around anon?
Maybe when she was hitting her peak at the start you could say otherwise. But right now trend wise Hololive is actually near it's peak in popularity in Japan and Hololive just fell below how popular it was right before the EN debut announcement outside of Japan
So even if Gura was the most popular, it wouldn't change anything about the average viewer, it'd only imply that there's a secret contingent and Japanese dudes watching her than never chat

>>7268154
I'm gonna drop something different here.

The truth is her "character" never changed, YT recommended me this woman and I found her hilarious for trying to teach Japanese people how to "fucking" swear, further research into her shown she really is a a BIG yakuza fan with one of her dreams was to be a hostess in the game, but also the "neet" dream, to never work a 9-5 job.

Her model was cute but was secondary, she had an audience, and is still bigger than a few popular indies outside of meme vtubers who've had drama spikes, when she transitioned we were there, hollering, hooting, she was gonna make her dreams come true.

Then came the filtering, let's face it, too many of us vtuber fans liked the whole "virtual idol" bullshit and she'll never be the idol type, and along came the reddit show which filtered her anymore because reddit is apparently bad (truth is it can be worse than 4chan you just feel more justified to shitpost because someone is gonna put a thumb up your ass), then of course the YAB.

Of course this place and even outside has alot of Chinese people, people who hold their government high on the list or see their "good side", and what I feared would happen is people putting her in the political spotlight, hence why alot of people in Taiwan and Hong Kong supported her and even migrated to her past self, sad fact:She doesn't want this, period.

She isn't cashing in on her past life BECAUSE her first life was also her second, but she knows she can't put it behind her, she was dumb enough to accidentally do a kson stream with hololive assets used in the background by mistake, and her voice is too distinct, and her personality, the only real larping she did was being a THICC anally plugged dragon, that was it.

She's just an adidas yakuza loving neet, neets in Japan can't get welfare checks so they become productive, and using what she gained in america which is an actual personality and not just "hi I'm cute" she decided to make something of herself.

You don't have to like her, that's cool, just know she has alot of willpower that many of us lack, gotta respect that, most people would have ended it all by now, fallen back on their parents, or just seethe as they work 9-5 while some weird sounding woman makes money just for saying FUCK on stream.

She's based, that is all

>>6856677
Finally someone that gets it. Nijisanji, along with most smaller chuubas, present their contents in a more traditional Japanesque fashion. They rely on bokke-tsukkomi interaction with their audience explicitly more than Hololive chuubas do. That's why Nijisanji (and smaller chuubas) read chats more often, talk and have discussion with chat. It's reminiscent of older NND streamers, where you, the viewers, are part of the stream. Whereas Hololive streams are more akin to watching a performance that you enjoy passively. Though you should note that what the non-Holo chuubas are doing isn't just mere viewers interaction, it's actually deeper than that. This phenomenon is a reflection, a manifestation of the Japanese psyche, of groupthink and their extreme adherence, or even dependence to the concept of fitting in with the herd. It's almost as if it's the most natural way for them to communicate. Couple with the fact that Japanese speech is heavily reliant on aizuchi (explicit verbal agreement/acknowledgment to a person's speech, e.g. everyone uttering "sou, sou" when one person is talking). To the chuuba, the viewer acts as their affirmation, but also, at the same time, the viewers receive their own affirmation from the chuubas towards their comments. It's an explicit demonstration of groupthink, en masse, and in real time, and it's beautiful. If you don't believe this is in fact what's occurring, just watch any Japanese broadcasts. Notice that they always have those window with all the panels? That's the exact same thing. That's there to show the viewers how to react, and to reaffirm them that their reaction is correct, removing the fear of "being different than the group". It's the same thing as the chat here. You're not just a viewer, you're part of the activity! You're there to affirm the chuuba and the other viewers, and they're there for you, and you're all making sure you arrive at the same idea, together. It's a very Japanese thing. It's also why Nijisanji (+ smaller chuubas that do this) are inherently more popular in Japan, whilst simultaneously have little room to expand overseas. Western culture does not have this concept. They won't get it. Aizuchi is considered rude. After all, you're interrupting someone's speech, and without adding anything to the discussion. When the performers perform, you just watch their performance and enjoy it. There is a "you vs them" divide. There is no group movement.

Whereas Hololive, of course, leans more towards the latter style. Its their chuubas themselves that try to make the contents they are doing interesting, by presenting them in an entertaining way. "memes and loud noises" as you say. They don't focus on making the contents interesting with the audience. The audience are just there to watch. To enjoy the performance. It's almost like going to a cinema. They present their content like movies do. Movies, which are, of course, largely a western invention. That's why they click so well with foreigners, because it's what's familiar to them. It's also why the dougatubers before them were more successful with foreigners. None of my Japanese friends quite liked the old style of vtubing. They said it feels alien. But they were popular outside Japan still. Of course they failed because Ai is shit, but Hololive succeeded by applying a similar technique of communication, coupled with having great luck. But they are not Japanesque. Or at the very least, they are a breed of very modan Japanese. As a side note, I believe this is also part of why the more "traditional" Hololivers are not as popular with foreigners. The "talker" Holos. Subaru, Mio, Okayu, etc. It's not only the language barrier at play here; they have their fair share of subbed kirinukis after all. But their contents are just not as entertaining when presented like that. You have to be part of the groupthink. They lean towards the "you just had to be there" style.

>And the people attracted to hololive are there to watch funny dog scream yubi yubi and funny memefox say scatman.
While I won't dispute this, I won't say this is a bad thing either. Neither styles are better or worse than the other (they're both shit and low art if you really want to argue about it). Either can be as entertaining as the other, and you can't quantify entertainment.