/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

What are the chances Hololive is overtaken as the most popular vtuber group in the west, sometime in the future?
Sounds like schizobabble I know, but hear me out. Though not entirely through their own fault, HoloEN doesn't have near the same audience they did a year ago. IRyS lacks momentum and struggled to get 600k. The subscriber cuts from Susan have impacted EN2 even worse. If a hypothetical EN3 is made in the future, I think it's a safe guess to say that they'll get even less attention.
A lot of people say "you never forget your first", but big vtuber companies have fallen to irrelevancy in the past. Upd8, .Live, if you aren't familiar with them there's a reason.
Thanks to Hololive, many EN vtuber fans have also branched out and indies and other corporate vtubers have been able to find an audience in them. Uto, that one goblin chick on Twitch, Selen, it's safe to say that the Hololive idols are no longer the only vtubers that are able to appeal to EOPs.
Not to mention the fact that even Redditors are voicing dissatisfaction with Hololive's recent controversial decisions. Coco's graduation, IRyS and EN2's character designs, the incessant hyperfocusing on lore nobody cares about, and now pronoun-speak on Twitter have left a lot of former fans feeling anxious about what's to come.
With that being said, do you think there's a chance for Hololive to be dethroned in the west, should a promising vtuber company/group come around to do the job?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8692662
24.34%

[Anonymous No.]

>>8692662
Ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>8692662
same chance as Zimbabwe becoming a super power

[Anonymous No.]

>>8692662
100% chance. Are you kidding? It's not even an question, just a matter of when.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8692662
Nice blog post nigger

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive will the Valve of vtubing.
Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8692662
Nigger I ain't reading all of that shit. Go blog post on reddit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8693072
>>8693103
This isn't long at all unless you're a phoneposter.

[Anonymous No.]

>What are the chances Hololive is overtaken as the most popular vtuber group in the west, sometime in the future?
> Sounds like schizobabble I know, but hear me out. Though not entirely through their own fault, HoloEN doesn't have near the same audience they did a year ago. IRyS lacks momentum and struggled to get 600k. The subscriber cuts from Susan have impacted EN2 even worse. If a hypothetical EN3 is made in the future, I think it's a safe guess to say that they'll get even less attention.
> A lot of people say "you never forget your first", but big vtuber companies have fallen to irrelevancy in the past. Upd8, .Live, if you aren't familiar with them there's a reason.
> Thanks to Hololive, many EN vtuber fans have also branched out and indies and other corporate vtubers have been able to find an audience in them. Uto, that one goblin chick on Twitch, Selen, it's safe to say that the Hololive idols are no longer the only vtubers that are able to appeal to EOPs.
> Not to mention the fact that even Redditors are voicing dissatisfaction with Hololive's recent controversial decisions. Coco's graduation, IRyS and EN2's character designs, the incessant hyperfocusing on lore nobody cares about, and now pronoun-speak on Twitter have left a lot of former fans feeling anxious about what's to come.
> With that being said, do you think there's a chance for Hololive to be dethroned in the west, should a promising vtuber company/group come around to do the job?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8692662
0% you would have to cut all connections to jp vtubers, jp designers, and jp modelers if you wanted some amerimutt agency to dominate the western industry. amerimutts cant handle japanese contents and creators whereas japnaese can western contents and westerners.

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>>8692662
If VShojo recruits good talent they'll be surpassing Hololive in no time

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>>8692662
Not a chance. It's still up in the air in Japan, but Vtubers = Hololive in the west for 90% of people basically. Even if they declined, by the time they'd "crash" vtubing wouldn't be a thing anymore.

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>>8692662
Being stuck on youtube, the objectively inferior streaming plateform, nerfs them pretty hard, but once they make the jump to Twitch they'll be unstoppable.

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>>8693783
Not even that, if they continue to appeal to mainstream media, they'll be the face of Vtubing here in no time.
As far as the brits and many Eng viewers are concerned, they only know Vtubers from the BBC, AnthonyPadilla and Sykuno interviews.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8693149
That's a common holosucker's behavior. When they seethe, they lose their cognitive abilities, including the ability to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8693067
This but it's going to be a long time. Think about how long it took blizzard to kill itself.

[Anonymous No.]

Let's see how Sony does, I think they are the obly ones who have a chance.

But in reality I thinl Hololive and vtubing in general will just eventually kill itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8694620
bongs dont give a fuck about japanese media in general unlike other anglo countries. vshojo viewers are still basically anime watchers

[Anonymous No.]

I really struggle to understand how NijiEn still hasn't overthrown holoEN. I mean, they do have their weakspots like Petra and stuff, but overall the quality and variety is much much higher. They interact more naturally between themselves, have more freedom to do stuff and interact in a much "friendly" manner with chat.

Only Ame still innovates on Holo's side, and she deserves to be a winner, but the rest is just ehh.

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>>8692662
Maybe 2-3 years in the future. EN 1 has a steady grip on the global vtuber market. Also,

>struggled to get 600k
Yeah, please don't be retarded. The others struggled to get 600k for more than a year. Irys "struggled" to reach that in 1 month? Please lurk in the numbers thread more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8694933
No meme clips. No meme from both En side and Jp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8694933
Maybe if all of nijiEN doesn't suck so badly? I mean, Shiki from prism overthrows them easily. Same goes for nyanners and Ironmouse. They don't even have heavy toppers like Gura or music rapper like Mori. Heck, there's no artist. Selen is a one trick pony, Finana is coomer bait, Pomu is a saviorfags paradise, Petra is anya and rosemi is a traitor.

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>>8692662
Basically, current situation is that Holo farmed a huge fandom with a help of youtube algo. And now, their biggest concern is maintaining this huge fandom, while a fuck ton of agencies and indies will gradually try to rip it piece by piece.
Looking at the present situation, we have a lot of massive announcements lately:
1. 3 major agencies announced debuts
2. Sony's vtubers debut
3. NijiEN's 3'rd wave (rumored being packed as hell with high quality talents)
4. NijiEN's 4'th wave - first en males in a big agency.
All these mean that it's gonna be a difficult times for HoloEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8694933
petra isnt bad at all. also nobody notices it but her japnaese is amazingly good, even probably a bit higher than kiaras. dont push your shitty narrative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8694813
I can see Disney throw their hat into the ring. I mean, they've already got people pretending ot be characters in the park, is it such a large step to take things online? Just make a bunch of original characters to represent various Disney, Star Wars and Marvel properties and see if the YA audience you're so desperate to attract will start to bite.

I mean, you've got the Deadpool manga, those Star Wars anime shorts and Twisted Wonderland: the properties they have are surprisingly compatible with the japanese vtuber aesthetic.

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>>8692848

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>>8695067
Fair point.
I wouldn't say that there are no EN clips, as each of them has a dedicated clipping channel + many other channels clip them, but NijiJP has only a few good dedicated clipping channels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8692848
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

>>8694933
Hololive has enormous brand power & recognition in the west due to memes and clippers pretty much from a few talents EOP pandering early on. Nijisanji doesn't have that kind of reach overseas so NijiEN is basically building a brand themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

amerimutts trying so hard despite their garbage woke industry lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>8695336
Based answer.

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>>8695336
On top of that, most holo clippers are established already with subs of over 50k and more than 50k views on every video and they earn a lot from those alone without relying on being hired by the companies themselves. A niji clipper wouldn't have the strength to survive for months let alone get a lot of views on their clips. Even ID clippers gets as much tractions on their clips.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8695554
Yep. The only independent Niji clippers with a chance to earn good money are those who'll win a battle royale among clippers to become a personal clipper for single NijiEN vtuber. And even then, their success will depend on this vtuber's success.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8695554
Things might change if NijiEN keeps growing, they've done a pretty good job so far at bringing attention to all the other branches and it seems like english management & some of the ENs have been pushing for the JP branch to pander to EOPs more. Elira mentioned trying to organize english watchalongs or commentary for big events like koshien and some of the japanese talents have started hanging around the ENs on twitter & in their chats. Oliver Evans in particular speaks very good English which might help the JP side start breaching into the EOP market more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8695166
>NijiEN's 3'rd wave (rumored being packed as hell with high quality talents)

[Anonymous No.]

>>8695749
I believe that the best way for them to grow would be going ham on a collabs with indies/other agencies. Like more than 3 collabs every week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8695749
>ome of the ENs have been pushing for the JP branch to pander to EOPs more
unless there's translators in a nijiJP chat, it won't. Stop dreaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8695846
>Elira mentioned trying to organize english watchalongs or commentary for big events like koshien and some of the japanese talents have started hanging around the ENs on twitter & in their chats
It's literally already happening. I don't mean hololive-style broken eigo hi kaigainikkis!, just acknowledgement from the company that the western audience exists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8695197
Nah.. if disney ever jump in the game, they'll create their own platform onlyfans style and partnering with a bunch of big name, recruiting their own talent with full 3D support and doing big events like how bilibili

[Anonymous No.]

>>8695166
>2. Sony's vtubers debut
lmao why are you mutts so easily convinced by a brand name like disney, marvel, etc. sony doesnt have any relationship with jp creators.

you should understand "hololive" isnt really the product of cover. many grassroots/independent creators help them and cover also keeps an eye on the jp manga/anime/videogame industry. none of the holo jp designers/mangakas/animators/modelers are hired by cover. they are creators from other genres and work for other companies in other genres.

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>>8695879
Good for them, but really, it's futile. Holos had already acknowledged the global audience long before niji and you would think that them acknowledging the western audience could change anything now? Like I said, if niji wants to break into the global market, at least get a dedicated english translator in one of the JP chats first. Else, it's going to be useless. Breaking into the western market for niji is already hard despite efforts from nijiEN. EN 3 & Male vtubers wouldn't change anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8696242
>it's futile
It really clearly isn't with how the english branch has been doing but okay.
>inb4 comparing to holoEN numbers as if they're any reasonable metric

[Anonymous No.]

>>8696124
You don't even know what you are talking about, looks like you lost a gist of our conversation. Start from beginning or just leave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8696242
Dedicated translators are actually a low risk investment. Would go for a good pilot program.

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>>8692662
Unironically vshoujo will overtaken them eventually in the western/ENspeaking market. As ironic as it is, unless yt do something about their platform, twitch will still incline more and more in the future as the no.1 streaming platform. Anons here underestimated the power of coomers and the rise of their population. Vshoujo also more connected with e-celebs and wvt circles like how niji is on JP. Call it cringe or whatever, but it will help them stay relevant in the long run and help brought them into the mainstream. when their talent pool increase and they recruiting all the inclining chuuba left and right, they'll cement their domination in the EN market.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8696283
>how the english branch has been doing
Don't get what you mean. NijiEN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8696399
Vshoujo has a high chance of imploding though

[Anonymous No.]

>>8692662
Vshoujo is on its way just you wait

[Anonymous No.]

>>8696242
>get a dedicated english translator
Lmao, like those from a holo chats?
Everyone is laughing so far at their incompetence - just check out a clip of Suisei/Mito story - that's such a comedy that shows how shitty holo live translators are.

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>>8693783
They don't even have the same audience or platform, it won't happen

[Anonymous No.]

>>8696451
I dont she them doing any kind of yab that warrant such a thing so far

[Anonymous No.]

>>8692662
I'll leave the irony bubble and give you an actual response based on what I've seen after a decade living among entrepreneurs.
>do you think there's a chance for Hololive to be dethroned in the west
Yes, and it might happen sooner than you think. See, with volatile markets such as vtubing, you can lose your position in the blink of an eye. Companies such as upd8 fell behind because they didn't face the market proactively, and even then they took too long to react to the changes happening. I do believe Cover is way too much reactive and only get things moving once they're with their backs against the wall. You might not see much going on now, but trust me, being too passive and making bad decisions adds up and eventually it comes back to bite your ass.
>should a promising vtuber company/group come around to do the job?
I don't think it's gonna be A or B who will put Cover on their knees, but instead that their behavior as a company might be their own downfall. What I think that will really happen though is the western audience splitting and going into smaller companies, and eventually we'll have a lot of groups/vtubers with anywhere from 100 to 3k viewers at best.
I don't think anyone will ever top current Hololive numbers since these are probably 90% of the available audience already, and the tendency is for them to bleed these numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8696297
you said its "massive announcement""difficult times for HoloEN.". however in reality nobody is talking about or giving attention to sony in the jp vtuber industry. how can those pure mega corpo vtubers have collabs with other jp indies? anyone from holo jp and niji jp can interact with each other and have a collab with very minor indies, like last week marine had one with noripros 100k sub vtuber, but sony vtubers would never be able to due to their strict rules.

you and most of these are too ignorant to talk about the jp industry. thus no point talking about the western industry. you all project your amerimutt business standards on them, but its nowhere near how the jp industry is working.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8696404
I just mean Niji EN has been doing well to push themselves into the scene. They've shown they can build and grow an audience against Hololive and even with Council their channels and viewerbases are still growing. Once they establish themselves it's also an opportunity to start directing viewers to the other branches like JP which creates a demand for clippers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8692662
I can see vshojo slowly overtake them because theyre on twitch, staying inside the hololive bubble can only work for so long

[Anonymous No.]

Of course it's possible, vtuber history until has had a lot of turnover, from Ai and the four kings dominating in the early days, then Nijisanji making livestreaming with 2D avatars the dominant form of vtubing and taking over as the the industry top dog, followed by Hololive last year bringing chuubas to an international audience along with growing in the domestic market and taking over Niji in the numbers department. It's absolutely possible that we see another revolution and a new industry leader some time in the future, but it's also equally likely that the medium settles down and Hololive dominates forever like a Disney or Nintendo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8695749
most EOPs dont give a single shit about the jp nijis though, they dont have the same clipping power the jp holos have. the EN nijis should be on twitch and interact with other EN vtubers, they'd do so much better there

[Anonymous No.]

>>8696706
>due to their strict rules
What rules? Source please.
>you and most of these are too ignorant
Up until now, it was only you, who shows ignorance.
The real fact is:
>People will see new vtubers with a shiny label "Sony" and they will instantly get interested.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8696897
>most EOPs dont give a single shit about the jp nijis though,
Yeah no shit my point is nijiEN is a good opportunity to direct that attention to them.
>they dont have the same clipping power the jp holos have.
They absolutely do. Their 3D streams are goldmines.

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>>8692662
>and now pronoun-speak on Twitter have left a lot of former fans feeling anxious about what's to come.
Are you genuinely retarded enough to think there'll be LESS of that if Hololive's overtaken by a western-based EN vtuber agency?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8695161
Why must you use Shiki's name like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8692662
>Coco's graduation,
True, that left a bad taste
>IRyS
Poor lass, I don't think anyone cares though.
>EN2's character designs
Which people love and already have truckloads of art?
>lore nobody cares about
Exactly, people don't care, and they'll keep not caring unless Cover forces the girls to act it up beyond what they want
>pronoun-speak on Twitter
Twitter is for the mentally ill. No one cares. People on this board complaining + twitter retards does not mean anything.

Hololive is either going to end up killing itself Blizzard style, or they are going to be to slow to react to someone else overtaking them in the rearview mirror because they are a japanese company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8696242
>>8696399
Please. Vtubers got popular in the west because of Hololive in the past year. IF Vshoujo, NijiEN or any startups wants to beat EN in the west/global market, the main JP branch has to lose first. EN on its own might crumble in the future no matter how much Gura and Calli is carrying it. But, the thought of having 3D debuts, concerts, collabs with JP branch and outfit reveals twice a year will keep them all alive for 2-3 years. How much of an effect can a NijiEN and Vshoujo collab do? How much of an effect can a NijiEN and NijiJP collab do? As compared to a collab between HoloJP and EN on top of the growing ID branch?

Also, vtubers is literally anime. No one gives a shit about coomerbaits from Vshoujo. If they cared, Veibae would have inclined to the moon already.

[Anonymous No.]

None, as long as Gura, Marine & Korone stick with the company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8694475
>youtube, the objectively inferior streaming platform

I don't get it. Twitch is literal UX trash. It looks like the people designing throw a hissy fit whenever they have to talk to the people developing it.
And the chat is full of attention hungry kids who cant go a minute without spamming some shit reaction emoji.

I'm not saying Youtube is perfect but at least it's better than whatever shit the retards at twitch came up with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8697298
Twitter is UX trash for vods, but better than youtube during the actual streams.
It also has subs, which are better than memberships and get more streamer attention, and stuff like point gambling and twitch integration, which gives streamers more stuff to do and ways to interact with the audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8697389
But there's one thing we can agree on - bilibili is based

[Anonymous No.]

>>8696783
Anon.. Kizuna Ai and the old guard will stull stay relevant if non of their yabs happened. Siro and her .LIVE would have had overshadow hololive with their Idol Club. So yes hololive can dominate forever unless their lucks run dry and a yab can finally affect them, and also IF no other agency that bring their own audience like nijisanji did in JP in the past.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8697634
chink

chink arguments like these are literally based on their delusion.

chinks are always irrelevant and will

[Anonymous No.]

>>8697389
>Twitter is UX trash for vods
And where do most of the views on their channels come from?

[Anonymous No.]

Nobody's too big to fail, but it won't be any time soon unless talents leave en masse

[Anonymous No.]

>>8692662
Cover is gonna eventually be dethroned but it's gonna take a long long time. I give it 15-20 years until anime is hyper-mainstream enough for Western Vtubers to be YouTube stars

[Anonymous No.]

>>8692662
You sound more like a Chink bug

[Anonymous No.]

>>8694933
Popularity has always been based more on branding and luck than talent. I don't even think HoloEN is bad, but they're popular because Hololive was already popular and beloved by the youtube algorithm, not anything else. Same goes for all the NijiENs being 10+ times more popular than they were as indies, and even for someone joining a small company and going from a literal 2view to double digits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8697710
That means you love bilibili? In that case, list top 10 thing you like about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8697922
nobody watches a chink streaming site unless they are chink

also reminder heres the "based" chinky standards

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No intentionally exposing chest, underwear (?), underwear, pantyhose, suspender underwear, garter belt, (2 kinds of traditional Chinese innerwear its the same idea) etc

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>>8698019
> 男性主播皮肤不得仅穿着三角或四角及类似内衣的服装,且裤腰不得低于胯骨;

Male streamer avatars must not wear 3 point or 4 point underwear (no speedos) and the waist shall not be below the hip bone

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Female streamer avatar back exposure shall not expose more than 2/3 of the upper back, above the waist line

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Other forms of sexual exposure are similarly prohibited.

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No use of content with a sexual nature ( i don't know the examples but you get the point) EDIT: the last 2 examples are eroge and ahegao faces courtesy of u/Doggo2122

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EDIT 1: minor clarification on the example of eroges, minor typo fix

[Anonymous No.]

>>8698019
I agree with it's a shitty platform but gotta admit their bilibili macro and some of their chuubas were kino af

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>>8692662
I think HoloEN will be overtaken in numbers by Nijisanji EN overpopulation and Sony EN vtubers.

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>>8694813
I think hololive is already declinig slightly

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>>8697298
It's just far better for community building and networking, because it's always been the main platform dedicated to streaming for more than 6 years, they perfected it, the recommended streamers are scarily accurate, they have a very good search engine, even with vtuber tag, the use of sub emotes in other chats and raids and sub gifts allow to make strong bonds with other communities and spread. You may not like it because you basically discovered streaming with Hololive on youtube and thus got used to it, but it's just better for streamers and especially for growth, Hololive can afford to be on Youtube for now since their original brand and the fact that agencies give their talent a pre existing "network" in itself, but for indies picking youtube is beyond retarded. UX is a matter of tastes, similary people used to twitch often don't like Youtube UX for streams, it's like getting used to Android or Apple at first then it's harder to change.

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>>8698270
The thing is - they don't have to decline in order to be overtaken by others. All they have to do is to stagnate or grow slowly for 9-12 months and they'll surely be overtaken.

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>>8693103
you're right, 4chan should have a 200 character limit like twitter, it would surely increase discussion quality

[Anonymous No.]

100% Noone stays at the top forever. Not Kizuna Ai, not Nijisanji. The question is if its soon or much much later. I imagine when the Vtuber fad dies, Nijisanji and Hololive dies as well leaving a few solo independents left who manage to keep their audience.

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>>8692662
the only thing that's missing on the EN side are high quality 3D streams, nijisanji has a small chance if they go hard on that.
hololive will revive the hype with them.

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>>8693783
Vshojo is actually slowly cleaning up their act. I bet to you my liver they'll hire more seiso streamers in the future, all under the command of ironmouse. Where do you think Hana Flores and Lyrica going, anon-kun?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8698698
Oh god, I just imagined 3D Finana's shenanigans.

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>>8695166
>NijiEN's 3'rd wave (rumored being packed as hell with high quality talents)
kek, not this again.

>Sony's vtubers debut
Now this is actually something I'd consider a threat, especially since the terms for creators are a lot better than what creators get traditionally from agencies. % cut from earnings aren't disclosed though so it could be a worse deal for them short-term but can benefit from their power and reach in the market. Long-term, they get to keep their name and avatar so graduation fucks them less.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8698707
Some people are saying to NijiEN3, but there are like 3 more auditions right now, so it's not so clear.

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>>8695336
Nijisanji had hoshikawa but they made their moves too late

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>>8698756
>kek, not this again.
You mean that time when people thought that Petra is Shachi? Well, I'd have to say that Petra was the only one wrong prediction for NijiEN branch, unlike HoloEN2, where people made much more wrong predictions. And, judging by Owls current numbers, compared to other HoloEN2, looks like it was a good thing that Petra's prediction was wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8692848
Thanks for the statistics math anon, keep up the good work

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>>8698962
It's an empty statement. There's rumors about everything and everyone so using it as an argument to predict the death of hololive is inflammatory at best and bait at worst. All other points are valid and, assuming that you're >>8695166, well-picked. Your point about NijiEN wave 4 having males, for example. Whilst it can't be used as an indication for success, it is a disruption of the JP->EN vtuber export market so it has to be considered.

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>>8698962
Owl doing good with close to 200k subs now after slashed 6-7times pre and post debut already working on original songs too

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>>8695166
>4. NijiEN's 4'th wave - first en males in a big agency.
this kills the company

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>>8692662
Depends on several factors. Recent debuts have shown that Hololive still has gas. Outside this place the reception has been very good for the new generation. The issue becomes Cover getting in the way of talents, potential graduations, and companies like Nijisanji, Sony, or some Dark Horse gaining prominence in the West and chipping away at the fans and the talent pool. Even then it would be well over a year before anyone began to challenge Hololive's dominance outside some unforeseen mega yab.

tl;dr Cover would have to fuck us REALLY BAD like REALLY REALLY BAD for them to be dethroned any time soon.

[Anonymous No.]

The wuflu boost shouldnt be forgotten, Holo en debuted at the start
NEET free trial expired.

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>>8694933
>I really struggle to understand how NijiEn still hasn't overthrown holoEN

There are two ways to get an audience:
-either by siphoning the audience of other agencies
-creating your own audience (via new demographic, new platform, new business model, innovation)

Siphoning is great when the scene is small, it's a good tactic for indies and lesser companies but leaders aren't scavengers. An agency has to tread new ground if they want to become a leader.

Hololive was the first one to successfully break into the EN market so they're the market leader.
Vshojo decided to become a leader by dominating another platform, so now they're the market leader over on Twitch. Nijisanji's JP branch is the Japanese market leader.

If Nijisanji wanted their female EN branch to be big its not going to be through their talent but its going to be advancing their business model.
However, NijiENs Male branch, wave 4, is their best shot to break new ground, they've already did it with their JP branch they can do it again.

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>>8695166
>3 major agencies announced debuts
who?
>Sony's vtubers debut
Nothing burger. They'll saturate the already saturated JP market. Just some <500 views
> NijiEN's 3'rd wave
Nothing burger again. They'll still get 1-2k views. Elira singing, Selen Apex or Rosemi variety didn't help them incline.
>NijiEN's 4'th wave - first en males in a big agency.
Again. A nothing burger. Kuzuha got popular thru apex because apex is big in japan, kanae/fuwa is popular with fujos, kenmochi an ayame type etc. Nijimales would still do shit and could kill the views for their female EN members if they collab

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>>8699921
heh as if they can recreate what made EN 1 popular with the male members. You know they are no different than the streamers on twitch.

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>>8694933
I mean, there's basically guaranteed to be indies that have higher "quality" (no matter you measure it) than a HoloEN or NijiEN talent, but are still less popular. It's about going viral and branding more than anything.

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>>8699921
>NijiENs Male branch, wave 4, is their best shot to break new ground, they've already did it with their JP branch they can do it again
Unless the west has the same apex scene as jp and big seasonal baseball event

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>>8700200
Shiki,,,

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>>8700252
They can pick someone from FGC community.

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>>8700200
>It's about going viral and branding more than anything.
this

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>>8694933
It's easier to find clippers for holoEN than NijiEN and they're the essential part of attracting a new audience.
If you're not getting people putting the word out there then they're not going to find you. Even in the Holo circles some Holos attract more people compiling/translating clips than others and their general viewship and subs vary accordingly.

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>>8700200
Agencies lack a viral marketing strategy. They know clips are good but that's about it. Don't clipbait. They don't bait fanartists. Many of them don't even value first impressions.

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>>8698756
Anon.. do you know of GEMS Company? That one neko girl in Azki's latest concert belong to? Yeah they are under Square Enix and sony will pretty much doing the same as them except if they hire actual skilled gamer girl and shill them with tons of events and collabs

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive will persevere like Nijisanii, but a new hotness will rise up. It'll probably be someone most of us have never even heard of. They'll cater to niches, reject political pandering, and have aroster comprised only white, asian, hispanic, and middle eastern men. Because they didn't hire western women, gays or melanin enriched gentlemen, they'll never get rocked by scandals or be destroyed from within via accusations of systemic racism/sexism. Then they'll go on to dominate the vtubing landscape while GFE streamers come to be regarded as the lowly emotional prostitutes they are.

I'm incredibly optimistic.

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>>8701484
I think most of this new EN agencies that emerge are either inepts that did it just cause they have money or literal retards with no bussiness reps. They really belive they can set up an agency and leave it to the girl while they themselves aint having or doing what most important for an agency, having and building up connection. They really need to reach out with each other and push this whole industry together. That's what Kizuna and Activ8 was doing with all the new agencies and chuuba in the past and they managed to pushed it into the mainstream in one giant step.

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>>8699244
I beg your pardon, no one was predicting hololive's death here. I was discussing members of 3'rd wave.
>It's an empty statement
No, it's not. This statement shows that nijifags are better at prediction, based on previous experiences.

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>>8698962
>And, judging by Owls current numbers, compared to other HoloEN2, looks like it was a good thing that Petra's prediction was wrong.
I'm not even a hater, but what?
So far Mumei's numbers are:
-2nd in subs in HoloCouncil
- 27k for first stream
- 20k collab on Fauna's channel
Whereas Petra struggles to break 1.5k and has the 2nd worst numbers in NijiEN.
Mumei won't keep these numbers, but what are you even talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8699924
>kenmochi an ayame type
What the fuck is this a rrat from numberfag thread or something

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>>8704253
The one similarity between Kenmochi and Ayame is they stream rarely and irregularly and they get big numbers whenever they do.
That's essentially where all the similarities end. Numberfags who only look at stats and don't watch streams think that makes Kenmochi = Ayame. It's fucking embarrassing.

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>>8704620
>he streams rarely and irregularly
He doesn't stream everyday or maintain official posted schedule which for some reason means he streams "rarely" and "irregularly"? This is on par with a lot of Nijis, especially older ones who don't have enough Apex addiction to sustain daily streaming. He also announces the dates for his next few streams during his streams, especially if they're collabs.

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>>8704620
>The one similarity between Kenmochi and Ayame is they stream rarely
They're not nearly on the same level, no