/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly, I am proud of the way Suisei, Towa and Aqua played in the tournament and all their fans should also be proud of them instead of acting like bitches. This is very similar to real life sports where very often the teams with the most eyes on looses the tournament because they cant handle the stress. And considering how Aqua and Suisei had 0 exp with the custom tournaments and on top of that they did not have a coach on their team, they did pretty ok.
And the best part was all of them had fun, so enjoy the ride anons instead of acting like 9 year olds

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They choked hard and underperformed and it's okay to shit on them because of it.

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>>22629556
>and all their fans should also be proud of them instead of acting like bitches
you really think those are the fans?

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I had a blast watching and I follow neither apex nor any of these 3 chuubas.

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I demand at least 4-minutes long of dogeza stream from each of them in skimpy swimsuit, else the shitting will not cease

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>>22629683
I also dont follow apex, i just like them enough to watch their content even though they are not my oshi.

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>>22629556
didn't change the fact that they lost though holonigger
those whores better know their place(16th) kek

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>>22629556
I know unicorns and gachi holofags would be seeth if a guy coached this team, isn't there any female Apex pro in Japan who can train them?

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>>22629754
And?
Lionel Messi has not won a champions league on 7 years. He is still considered as one of the best players in history

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>>22629821
>on
in*
>>22629811
actually their fans wanted them to have Rpr as their coach but the thing is Aqua is ultra shy

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>>22629556
>I am proud of the way Suisei, Towa and Aqua played in the tournament
They literally turbo int'd the first 2 matches.

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>>22629556
The level of sarcasm in this post is just overwhelming.
But yeah, they are terrible at the game and got their asses whooped even by some other shitters.

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>>22629938
how anon?
> they are terrible at the game and got their asses whooped even by some other shitters.
Thats why Aqua was able to do a masters solo run
That is why Towa won the last Tournament
That is why Suisei was able to level up so quick despite being the worst player of this tournament in the beginning

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>>22629890
their best bet would actually be for towa to call in rpr. mondo is too harsh/troll and selly doesn't do coaching. i don't know if she knows anyone else.

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>>22629821
did holonigger really compare their whores to messi?
I have no word

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>>22629719
I'll settle for a naked dogeza followed by endless amount of rape by me

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>>22629556
Proud of failures. A legit Aquafag

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>>22630105
He was helping Towa for her scrims. But that was not enough as that was the only thing he could help them with. They did not get in a call or anything

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>>22630141
You don't know that Aqua is officially an Apex Queen and pretty much a Predator?

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>>22629890
>but the thing is Aqua is ultra shy
She's not. She created this "ultra shy" gimmick, because she got her ass whooped in apex in the past and was so afraid it repeating. With this gimmick she was able to successfully avoid participating in other tournaments and avoid embarrassment. But it looks like that this time, after getting her solo "master", she was pressured by retarded fans and joined another tournament. Result correlates her skill level - shitter got shat on. I expect her bringing back this gimmick and hide from the next few tournaments.

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>>22629556
Kek eat shit onionfags

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>>22629719
>dogeza stream from each of them in skimpy swimsuit
Um, how would you even know if they haven't have a outfit for that yet?

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>>22630245
apex queen my ass kek
those holo bitches are all whores to me anyways

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>>22630249
i suggest you watch Rpr's stream then. He literally said this on stream the only reason he could not be their trainer was because of Aqua's shyness.
>>22630141
Whatever you say anon. Its a simple comparison i used by looking at your deadass satement.
>>22630196
>>22630297
I did not even know much about Aqua before her Solo master run but ok, Guess i am an Aquafag now

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>>22630032
>Thats why Aqua was able to do a masters solo run
Yeah, "masters", keep believing that.
>That is why Towa won the last Tournament
Carried by Chi-chan and the best player of the tournament.
>That is why Suisei was able to level up so quick despite being the worst player of this tournament in the beginning
That one is plain retarded. Even though it's pretty difficult to determine who's actually the worst player in tournament - her or Aqua - her "leveling up" is your subjective fantasies.

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>>22630448
I genuinely want tgem to get a real coach and get better amd bond as a team and grow super close and turn into best friends and win the next tournament. Make this a movie please.

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>>22630448
>i suggest you watch Rpr's stream then.
No need to watch anything, as your "argument" doesn't prove anything. You just keep clinging to your "shyness" copium even though it's a plain gimmick.

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>>22630032
anyone can make it to masters last season, rank is currently fucked. Look at this guy's shitty stat

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>>22629556
Their first two rounds are absolutely painful to watch, cope all you want, it is fucking shit.
It seems that all those things they learn from week long training game were fucking thrown to the garbage bin just before the game.

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>>22630658
Not a single round was a surprise to me. I was pretty confident that after everyone starts playing at least a little bit serious, Aqua would be where she rightfully belongs - at the bottom. When it comes to serious game - everything depends on an actual skill level.

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>>22629593
>>22629719
>>22630141
>>22630297
>>22630658
As long as the rent's free s'all good baby. Keep crying though. I didn't see the onion shed a single tear like you bitches. Losers of /vt/ who have no effect on the Holos and remain in their little tard bubble.

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>>22630466
alright, you are just a holo hater if you think Aqua's performance was the worst one in the tournament.
>>22630610
Then what does it say about Kuzuha?
He is a diamond 3

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>>22630992
we will see
I can already smell the fall down of whorelolive kek

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>>22630610
Aqua got to solo Master in Season 11. The one you're showing is Season 12 first split, which is when Master rank became a joke.

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>>22631080
Shhh you are ruining his schizoid narrative

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>>22630610
if I recall correctly the man behind this account is 50 years old so props to him for even getting to masters at such old age, even though the kdr is abysmally shit, anyway thats not an excuse because, even then, this is screenshot from split 1 of season 12, which is widely considered as the easiest ranked split of all time and ranks for that split really should be taken with a grain of salt. Aqua's solomas run was in season 11 which was way harder in comparison because you couldn't rely on rating nearly as much like you can do in the current (garbage) ranked system, I really hope they revert the ranked changes or change them for the better because its a shitshow how so many shit players get to high ranks

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>>22629556

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>>22630594
>Aqua has newbie on her team like Suisei
>Turns down coach because of unicorns
>Team does terribly
I wonder if Towa regrets her decision.

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>>22630992

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>>22629556
i know it, you know it, and we know it, that was horrendous to watch. the dipped in performance was awful. scrims was better than actual tourney. you can't escape the truth anon, you must vent your dissapointment and stop inhaling that copium.

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>>22630804
I still question 2 things :
1. The time she fought with only white armor, wtf was going on? They didn't craft anything on Climatizer?
2. Her solo portalling to a 1V3 situation in the 3rd match

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>>22631257
Suisei has her own personal coach. At least now we know that the coach has been doing a pretty terrible job overall since she still need to be ordered around without a mind of her own nor did her mechanical skill improves. All she got better at was aiming, and that's it. Might as well just buy Kovaak and practice it for 8 hours everyday.

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>>22631150
You are absolutely wrong. Even though it's true that anon's screenshot is from 12'th season, 11'ths season was much easier. You don't even need to be a conspiracy theorist to see that - just go to aqua's last stream of her solo "master" and look at the games - 99% of players are gold-platinum skillwise. And even in terms of dumb rank, there were only a few diamonds out there. So aqua's "master" is mid-platinum at best.

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>>22631504
then Kuzuha must be a silver player

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Came to /vt/ after reading all of the gay emotional suppory and cope comments on YT and was not dissapointed hahaha.

Very bad performance, they really should have focused on studying proper rotations and not blindly valk ult into super popular spots. Aqua was also giving a lot of last minute reactonary calls instead of being proactive and planning for a fight on landing the jump.

I really think Towa and Aqua's strength alone could have secured top 5 or at the very least top 10, but they were inting teams all tourney and not playing defensive, which is a death sentence in any tournament.

Because of Suisei's skill level, I think maybe Aqua should have taken valk and Sui taken something like Wattson, Caustic, Crypto, or Loba, which don't require a lot of awareness to properly utilize their abilities. Crypto might have been the pick for scouting and seeing how many wattson teams were present.

Would like to see another try at a tourney from this team but I imagine Aqua is thinking of committing sudoku and Towa and Suichan feel like they were too much of a carry.

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>>22631257
>Aqua has newbie on her team like Suisei
Both are shitters
>Turns down coach because of unicorns
That only one of the reasons. But that reason is the reason why she got 100k+ ccv during this tournament.
>Team does terribly
Coach wouldn't change that. Improving shitty skill would take much longer time than that.

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>>22629556
>Honestly, I am proud of the way Suisei, Towa and Aqua played in the tournament and all their fans should also be proud of them instead of acting like bitches.
hahahahaahaha
Loving the extreme copium today. The "they had fun regardless" is the cherry on top.
I'm so happy this is the end of APEX content

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I had fun on their RTA to the commentary content per match!

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>ITT: Anons who didn't get enough attention from mommy and daddy are baiting (you)s
ALL FIELDS

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>>22631486
1. There wasn't a single fight where Aqua was with white armor. You meant Towa? In case it is then Replicator didn't spawn at Climatizer on that round so they had to run to Epicenter for it.
2. That was a good judgement, but Noah's team was better at that moment. In tournament like this teams don't usually force a fight, you see what happened on the first round when they landed beside the building, so Aqua figured the team inside the house won't risk taking a fight just to get 3rd partied later and they can share the house. Turns out Noah's team just aped the shit out of her with all 3 people rushing to her portal which made her downed before being able to get back to the portal.

[Anonymous No.]

thats why i watch astel's maggie, overhyped muh aqua good at apex led to this

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>>22631624
Nah, kuzuha never tried ranking on purpose, so it's unknown what is his max rank whether it is in easy season or in difficult season. Which is also a big advantage in tournament points.

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>>22631957
>all fields
What the fuck are you on about?

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>>22631504
You might be right, I did hear that japanese servers are easier to play on compared to NA or EU although I have nothing to back that statement up, I ain't playing there on 300 ping lmao, but you can't say that season 12 is easier than season 11 (which was my point btw), its just not true, split 1 of season12 was by far the easiest time I had reaching diamond personally. I think theres no use in talking about whether aqua's master is legit or not, as a diamond shitter player she's pretty good at clicking heads in this game, I guess. The teamplay could use some work though

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HOLY COPE

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>>22632033
newfagchama...

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>>22631873
They were really speedrunning their way to the commentary section, weren't they? Considering how fast and unceremoniously they were being killed by the other players.

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>>22631504
>You don't even need to be a conspiracy theorist to see that
>99% of players are gold-platinum skillwise
The irony

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Don't care, didn't read. Post SEXend

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>>22632070
Well, my points are based mainly on observations of many streamers doing ranking during different seasons. I am not gonna play on different servers and deal with ping either, as I mainly play on EU servers, but, judging by what I seen in Aqua's solorank, and other streamers, her opponents were very unexperienced and oddly forgiving, almost always giving her 1-3 seconds time before attacking. In contrast, when I play masters lobbies, opponents reaction time usually is around 0.2 seconds or less.

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>>22632453
Because her solo Master was happening in Diamond tier lobby? Why are you bringing Master tier lobby into this? Are you expecting all Diamond players to also have the reaction time of a Master player?

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I mean it was very obvious to anyone actually watching the training streams that StartEnd wasn't going to win or even rank highly. So the shitposting feels really weird, I don't think anyone cheering on StartEnd seriously thought they'd do much better than this.

I would have liked seeing them take things a bit more seriously and get a coach, but I got my cute Suisei/Towa/Akutan interactions so I'm satisfied.

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>>22629556
>People are expecting way too much of them because of the constant hyping
That's pretty much it anon, and when their expectation isn't met they'll cry about it.

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>>22631960
1. Ah I got my POV mixed up
2. Make sense, but the moment Aqua got shot by someone from the roof while portalling I immediately went from "this is bad" to "NOOO AQUA TURN BACK!!!" because I already assumed they knew Aqua came in alone, and then when Aqua decided to shield up I just went "????". And it kept me wondering what was the plan? I thought she could've judged the situation better and not continuing with the plan because as a player she's way beyond me but I guess in the heat of the tournament, such little things can be easily missed even if you're ant experienced player.

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>>22632453
Fellow eu gamer, cool. And yea as I said, it seems like western servers seem to be way more aggresive and unforgiving compared to japan This is also the case in proplay, as we see the incredible amount of campy crypto wattson comps in APAC N, where as EU and NA are still full of gibby's and valk's, allowing for a more aggresive playstyle this is a conclusion I came to similarly to you, by watching people grind shit out of ranked in NA, EU and watching Aqua do her thing in JP. Also, as >>22632627 said, obviously a master/pred tier player will have relatively easy time in diamond as opposed to if they were to play in lobbies for their skill level which aqua will never play in, because she will stop on 10000RP again on her next solomas run which she said she will do this split

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>>22632627
Well, if her lobby correlates with her rank, she should have had a lobby of high-diamonds/masters at the end of her solorank, which is not far from masters lobby. And yet, her lobby played mostly like golds or something. That was my main point.

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>>22632683
I don't know about cute interactions but that part where Suisei was weeping and Towa/Aqua went all quiet was extremely boner inducing. Hearing Suisei put on a brave front and then break down and start openly sobbing before going quiet almost made me cum on the spot.

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the thing that pisses me off is that if aqua won they'd parade her as an actual goddess but when she lost they refuse to say how garbage it is
it's actual cringe

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>>22629556
I'm happy they fucked up. Apex is fucking cancer and if you base your content around it you deserve to suffer.

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>>22632970
Timestamp

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>>22632839
>it seems like western servers seem to be way more aggresive and unforgiving compared to japan
That always been the case. I have friends both in NA, EU and Asia, and asians usually play mostly defensively.
>a master/pred tier player will have relatively easy time in diamond as opposed to if they were to play in lobbies for their skill level
That's a possibility, especially taking into account aqua's relatively aggressive play style. But still, her lobbies looked oddly forgiving even for diamond rank.

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>>22629556
16/20

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>>22633189
What? They got 16 place??? Please tell me that all other teams consisted of preds and pro players.

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>>22633067
What do you suggest they should play?

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>>22629556
がんばったね
they'll probably try again if they had fun (regardless of the frustration). i believe they can do it, so long as they believe in themselves as well

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>>22633064
>WHY DON'T THEY SHIT ON THEIR OSHII AAAAAAAAAAAAH
LMAO, keep seething faggot.

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>>22632826
Honestly, it was more of Towa and Suisei's fault. Aqua went to open up an offensive portal, so at least 1 person should provide cover fire and act as a spotter to tell her what's happening to the people in the house. Instead both of them kept looking into the tunnel and nobody knew what the people inside the house were up to. I think that's why Aqua proceeded to heal after opening it, she thought either Towa or Suisei was covering for her and since they didn't say anything that means those people were still cooped up inside the house and it's safe for now.

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So many misinformation I don't even know where to start. Multiple na pros have complained about na rank being shit and pros like rpr/euriece/snipedown and etc always say jp servers are far more sweaty and feels more like actual scrims. Back in season 11, euriece was doing solo master on jp servers during prime time and had to switch to na servers because of how sweaty it is, he was raging hard cause of getting 3rd partied instantly once he wiped a squad and how sweaty it is (14 teams left in 3rd round). In na servers even in pred lobbies everyone just unga bunga like a retard, you just need to avoid the earlier fights, win one fight in mid round and you will pretty much end up with positive points. Season 11 is easier in terms of kill points being rewarded but you still need to frag and hold your own when being pushed. This season is a total joke though, someone reached master rank with 0 kills.

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>>22633415
Aqua needs better teammates or the rest of Startend needs to improve. I hope they compete in the future despite saying its their last tournament.

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>>22633358
>didn't even get # gold
kek

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I don't get why the Nijis are so happy about this... it's obvious that men are waaay better than women at playing games, of course that a 3 males team can rolfstomp a 3 females team
>But my female oshi...
If your oshi has any male she's being carried, it's just the way that it is, women would never be better than men at games

[Anonymous No.]

They fucked up so much man. They should have treated this like its The International from Dota 2

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>>22629556
>all their fans should also be proud of them instead of acting like bitches.
Fans?

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>>22630297
>women beater
Disgusting. Scum like you gets raped in prison.

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>>22633340
It's not going to happen, that's the whole idea behind Startend. Personally, I'm glad the Vsaikyou arc is over, it was nice to watch those three play together but I want to see Suisui go back to her usual fare, even if it is a bit sad that her efforts couldn't be rewarded with a win.

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>>22633542
(you)
>>22633543
Don't bring that kind of pressure to Startend. TI is too crazy.

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>>22632826
If you're actually interested in gameplay analysis, watch Noah's perspective starting from here:
https://youtu.be/J9sWDCSV_J4?t=6984
If you know you headshot the wraith with wingman (lots of damage) and they still push forward, she knows exactly where Aqua will end up and pushes because she knows her team is more likely to be able to back her up at this time. At that point Aqua probably should've attempted to take it back instead of batting in the corner and having them come through, because this is an obvious 3-man ape given that there aren't many teams looking here, which is what happened. Once the knock is there, it's basically over. It's only really close because Noah literally runs out of ammo on both guns.
When Aqua was headshot while setting up portal right before entering her phase, she should've turned back and not forced the issue, and found another way around.
Also, trying to take that spot with their team isn't necessarily the best idea to begin with, although it's probably fine since the zone wasn't pulling towards the house.

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>>22633358
Antis retardation is just amusing at this point. They can't wrap their head around someone being able to say "Yeah they did bad, so what."

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>>22633446
The 0 kills master was a photoshopped image btw (assuming you mean the picrel, if not then I stand corrected)

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>>22633652
I want them to go back on that idea and compete again to shut the haters up. I want Towa to not choke and Suisei to play better.

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>>22633244
no, that cope only works for selen, one of the other failed solomas players

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>>22633542
>Anon even failing at trying too hard to fit in

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>>22633415
Did they planned it? I don't understand Japanese so to me it sounded like Aqua just suddenly played a portal strat out of nowhere while both Suisei and Towa didn't have angle. They were on the lookout of the tunnel because there was a team over there (I think it was Matsuri's team or one of the NeoPorte team) and Towa was overseeing Survey Camp because there was another team rotating from there. It is only after Aqua called "There's someone on the roof" that Suisei finally followed.

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>>22633308
A large spread of games that include old, new, fan favorites and their own niche favorites.

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>>22633652
Yeah, I also don't want to see another tournament arc with them together again since it goes against everything they advertised as. I'm happy if they still hang out sometimes after this though, like playing casual Apex, continuing on playing Overcooked or even a simple offline zatsudan.

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>>22633670
Exactly, I don't know why Aqua didn't sensed that, but like I said, maybe heat of the tournament?

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>>22632070
>>22632453
>>22632627
>>22632839
>>22633166
Compare her run to sweetdreams, who is a top tier pro player streaming solo to masters literally right now (in an easier ranked season, which means more shitters in higher lobbies). Her opponents look so much worse than the typical squad sweet is playing against.

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>>22633652
まぁ, an idea can be replaced with another idea
they shouldn't be forced to try again, but it'd be nice to see them do so though. it's kinda hype if you think about it

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>>22633830
So... Apex, Apex season 12, Apex, and Apex. I see, thanks

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>>22633714
>>22633925
Actually now that I think about it, while Akutan is done and Towa took things well, Suisei is a try-hard and got frustrated by their loss. I wouldn't be surprised if next year she goes on a massive training arc and teams up with Towa and someone else to compete in VS again. And without Akutan they probably could get a coach as well.
>>22633885
Yeah, I really like their dynamic. I hope we'll get more collabs between them.

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>>22633701
Oh i didn't know it was photoshopped, i still standby this season is shit though. I am a solo queue pred and the teammates i got this season in master/pred lobbies are so fucking bad. When i watch their povs, they are constantly whiffing their shots and have bad game sense. They make aqua/noah/hinano look like high two digit tier pred players lol

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>>22633888
>>22633888
It's because that play would've been fine if she was playing with Towa and Suisei in JP Apex ranked. The typical opponent is not as good as Noah, and even if they are the players are less likely to push based off of an entry frag. That's because in rank you don't expect 20 teams in ring 4, so you don't have to be as uptight about clearing your back/rotations.
In a tournament, it's true people are more conservative/campy, but that's because it's fundamentally more explosive - if you see a safe chance to kill a team at your back, you'll do it (which is why people are more conservative, to not be that guy who gets cracked or downed first and then gets wiped).

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>>22633813
Yeah they talked about the plan way before Aqua started channeling her portal. It's just another case of expecting people of lower skill level to understand what's common for people of their skill with her expecting either one of the two to watch the house when she started.

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>>22634125

it's because BR games aren't FPS games at all, they're 4x games with a FPS element. also why comp BR is so stupid, the whole game revolves around getting other people to kill eachother and when that doesn't happen it's just this retarded sit in a house game

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>>22634125
Most algs team won't push a portal even when one is down (two ppl yes) because the opponent will stack nades and preaim the portal. Noah sorta gamble and took advantage of the lower level of skill knowledge in vsaikyo and she was right that suisei doesn't know how to defend a portal which aqua pointed out later.

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>>22629556
>Honestly, I am proud of the way Suisei, Towa and Aqua played
Why ? Objectively they played really fucking poorly.
I've had their cover looping since it dropped, i was rooting for them. They particularly towa, screwed up big time.
Obviously its not a big deal but its ok to feel disappointing too.
I hate positivity fags like you. Mentality like this ruins men.
"Proud of you for failing", what the fuck does that mean, empty platitude fuck off back to your wallmart cashier job

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>>22633446
lul. Misinfomation, huh? 14 squads left in 3rd ring does not really scream 3rd party shit fest. Atleast when it matters.

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>>22634026
that sounds pretty hype already!
too bad about Aqua, though. it just wouldn't be the same. i believe she can do it if she tries, it'd be a waste of her skills to not do so...

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>>22631010
>Then what does it say about Kuzuha?
ignoring this season (he's barely played), it says that in previous seasons he didn't give a shit about ratting and solo playering his way up through the ranks.

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>>22629890
>>22630249
Aqua is NOT shy. The amount of concerns sponsorships, song productions, events she's been apart of. Aqua has interacted with more new people in the last year than probably anyone in this thread who doesnt have a retail job.
Plus Kagura fucking Mea is her best friend

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>>22634500
It was also more of a desperation play. Noah was out of ammo. If they had allowed the reset they would have been screwed.

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>>22630249
EOP Nigger, nobody needs you stupid rrat

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>>22634500
Yeah, even more so when you see the log on top right and the one you just downed is Aqua. It's kind of similar to downing Gorilla, you just rush their team because the sole carry is dead and there's nothing the other 2 deadweights can do.

[Anonymous No.]

Ultimately the title of best Apex player in Holopro goes to a real winner as proven by this tournament.
https://streamable.com/c9wk6e

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>>22629890
Yeah not having a native japanese speaking coach would have helped A TON.

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>>22634631
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH KAYFABE AAAAH THINK ABOUT KAYFABE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>22633067
I agree, I'm not sure why but Apex has the most insane japanese playerbase I've ever seen. I don't want any holos to be anywhere near that garbage fire.

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>>22634631
>sponsorships, song productions, events she's been apart of
That actually doesn't say anything about her shyness, anon. Her manager work out a deal, present it to her, she accepts then the manager relays it back to the other party. Or in another scenario, she wants to make something, pitch the idea to her manager, the manager works it out then reports the result back to her. I agree though that her shyness has gotten better through the years, else she wouldn't even ask Towa to let her become a member of her team.

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>>22634724
>https://streamable.com/c9wk6e
why is he so based?

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They did a-ok, not the results we wanted, but you could clearly tell they tried their best and that's what matters.

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>>22635219
yes.

[Anonymous No.]

They lost because unlike the other teams they didn't get a fucking coach and practice properly. They didn't take the competition seriously and disrespected every other entrant who tried harder than they did.

They even pulled out of the after-party. No respect whatsoever. Typical self-centered behavior from Cover's divas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22634500
No, she also saw Suisei take the portal right before the push which is a massive fuck-up. This means there's just Towa on the other side. Also, nading the portal means killing Aqua, their carry.
If you had a balanced team of 3 pro players defending, they're obviously going to play it differently, but that already starts with the portal play to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22635410
>Oh nyo

[Anonymous No.]

>>22635410
meds

[Anonymous No.]

>>22635578

cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>22635565
>nading the portal means killing Aqua
Do you actually play Apex, anon? Nades won't damage allies, only yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22635410
But Suisei got a coach. You should actually watch the streams anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22635410
retard...

[Anonymous No.]

>>22629821
How many times Started won champion in the scrims?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22636463
Actually only once. And most of their points during the scrims were highly skewed from kill points, not placement points.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22636463
They won 1 time, three 2nd place, two 3rd and one 4th.

https://liquipedia.net/apexlegends/Vtuber_Most_Cooperatitive_Tournament/4#Scrims

[Anonymous No.]

>>22636648
>>22636747
Welp that's actually worse than Robert fucking around at vsaikyou s2. Sure both end up at 16th place but His team got 3 champions

[Anonymous No.]

>>22636817
Tournament pressure got them good, it was Aqua's 1st (and last) time, if she keeps up she could rise but I don't think she will.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22631490
Based on watching coaching streams for apex and lol, some people just don't think when they play and if the coach isn't there to tell them what they do they fall apart. It's really common, possibly biological.

[Anonymous No.]

DON'T FORGET 10K PEOPLE WITNESSED AQUA SPREADING HER ASSHOLE LIVE ON STREAM

[Anonymous No.]

>>22631150
What did they change to make ranking so easy all of a sudden?

[Anonymous No.]

>I'm proud of the way my over-promoted whores got shit on
Kuzuha won

[Anonymous No.]

>>22629821
16th place dude. Barely any kills.
By your logic, I'm sure the 20th place team are the best people there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22636747
People fuck around and sandbag in scrims dude. Nobody takes scrims seriously except ignorant newbies like them

[Anonymous No.]

>>22629890
How the fuck would that work none of them can speak English and he can't speak Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>22637054
>over-promoted
Unironically seething lmao

[Anonymous No.]

I've never seen so much cope from holofags before. Your girl got absolutely shit on. She didn't do good. There's nothing to be proud about. She got shit on and embarrassed while Kuzuha walks away with the first place trophy

[Anonymous No.]

>>22637054
>>22637269
Lol stay mad yo

[Anonymous No.]

>>22637012
Placements matter alot more now, in previous season a 0KP 2nd place in master/pred would give you a +0RP gain/loss for the game but now a 0KP 2nd place is +35 in master/pred lobby, KP isn't also as valuable as it was so basically being a rat fag is the most optimal way to rank up. Should be worth mentioning that you could get higher max RP before (275 vs 250 now) which is good but a downside is that its way easier to get any KP to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22637164
Makase Loli, onii-chan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22637012
Placement points. Picrel is the points distribution for current season. It used to only be 30 for 5th, 40 for 3rd and 4th, and 60 for 2nd. Basically, in previous season even if you go full rat unless you somehow clinched 2nd you still eat minus points (assuming Diamond tier) and you're wasting your whole ~20 mins of game time. Current season though, you can rat and once you get to 4th then it's a plus, it's that simple.
So basically, in every match there are at least 4 squads who will come out of it with plus points, as opposed to at least 2 squads in previous season. That's double the number, and it's not even accounting for kill points yet.

[Anonymous No.]

All I hear is cope. Maybe they can actually play a good game instead of this borefest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22630610
Selen made it to masters with a kill/death of 2.0

[Anonymous No.]

>>22637362
>>22637341
That's cringe no wonder Selen changed her playstyle to be less aggro if there's better reward for literally not doing any fps in an fps game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22630297
Aqua antis sure are mentally stable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22636983
Fuck I wish. Maybe it would have actually been worth watching then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22633633
hag beater

[Anonymous No.]

>>22632033
Aqua antis not only are subhuman psychos, but they're newfags too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22632033
SADGE 'EM

[Anonymous No.]

>>22629556

They did do great for not having a coach.

But there's no need to praise them when they failed to take the tournament seriously at all, due to not having a coach. Its one thing if this was an intercompany tournment like the yearly Mario Kart, but what they did was essentially spit in the eyes of everyone participating, managing, and watching the tournament. Honestly I'm more surprised there weren't more offended by it.

Of course they placed low, everyone was improving and a decent coach no only fixes errors but helps to gel the personality and playstyles of the players together like Mondo and Astel did.

What Towa allowed (wether it because of what happened in the past to her, because of Aqua's social anxiety/idol fear, and Suisei...actually suisei may not have any reason not to want a coach) was just fucking unsportsman like. Suisei as the lower point member needed to be taught how to play in a way that helped Towa and Aqua maximise each other, and only a coach can really do that. This would of let Aqua be left off her leash more and allow Towa to learn how to make calls.

[Anonymous No.]

you can really see the difference between the 3 characters near the end.
Aqua - practicing her shooting before the final match, a never give up attitude and its the same attitude that carried her to master and made her big. she cried at the very very end of her last stream when viewers have mostly left and the other two weren't there to hear it. A good showing of character.

Towa - she threw it by suggesting everyone choose whatever character they want and stopped caring about winning, prioritizing fun as a way to cope. The character that fails to stick the landing. She cried way before the end in front of the others and her mentality of must win was replaced by "having fun". Losing pressure and losing focus, needing to be console by everyone and anyone. The character who breaks before it is over. Not really a good showing of character, she is over-reliant on others (be it perspective or pressure).

Suisei - the stacy who thought she would succeed in apex because she slayed singing, tetris and marika. People didn't take into account that she had a background in singing and years of tetris and hololive gaming suck ass, she also did not have years of apex experience. Last one alive in 3 out of 5 matches in a 1v1 situation and lost 3 out of all 3. Happy-go-lucky attitude but broke down at the end because of her competitive nature. Cried because of guilt and it is not unjustified. She lost the most out of all 3.Towa is still going to do apex and it's not a chip off her shoulders, Aqua is still going to be good but Suisei will forever be marked as the girl who couldn't quite make it in Apex despite the fact that her entire image is that of a career woman who succeeds. The character who just got a wake up call that despite her entire career of not wanting to be GFE and not your typical cute idol, her entire strong image she built up for herself is shattered. Maybe not to her fans but it will affect her since she was the last surviving member for at least 3 matches and failed them all. She showed strong character throughout by being cheerful but in this case being cheerful and having "fun" is not enough if what she wants is to win and her very nature wants to win.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22638147
>for not having a coach.
DYRBI?

[Anonymous No.]

So does anyone have the timestamps to Startend's tears or what? I never cared for Apex anyway but inner dacryphiliac enjoys see the girls get weepy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22638174

[Anonymous No.]

>>22638174
>and then they forget about it the next day

Maybe except Suisei, she doesn't take a loss lying down, like she did with Mario Kart. Her image isn't actually centered around winning as a first-timer. If in the foreseeable future that Apex streams become more common, then you know what she's trying to do. In conclusion, everything happened just as expected of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22638309
I've been asking for Seuisei tears for a while now and no one delivers

[Anonymous No.]

>>22638463
Been perusing her vod in the mean time and I've only heard sniffles so far. Really hoping anons aren't just exaggerating.

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>>22638424
tldr basically
aqua: strong because she cried at the end and tried till the very end
towa: threw the last match and just stopped caring about the leadership role and winning when all is forgiven and will be forgiven since she cried the day before.
suisei: an overall net loss and a stigma to her strong and stacy persona, spent the entire time focusing on creating a fun atmosphere when deep inside she just wants to win.

[Anonymous No.]

This happened during scrimmage, which puts a lot of viewers with some expectation of a similar result on tourney day. However, scrimmage =/= tournament. That was the case today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22638633
that was the one time Startend performed well during the scrims. the only people expecting a victory for them in the finals were clipwatchers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22638463
Suisei tears are rare and precious and makes me diamond for some reason (except for that once when she cried after Coco's graduation)

[Anonymous No.]

>>22629556
i'm glad they lost, they made fun of a viewer for wanting to smell aqua's stockings and called him disgusting over and over for no reason because they suck at talking to each other, deserved

[Anonymous No.]

>>22639083
>a viewer
it was you, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22638633
>which puts a lot of viewers with some expectation of a similar result on tourney day
>>22638704
>the only people expecting a victory for them in the finals were clipwatchers

Literally who? Not even clipwatchers thought Startend was going to win the tournament. Everyone had low expectations the whole time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22639364
Holy cope, so the people spamming #stawin and hoping for a comeback were low expectations lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>22639636
Those are the usual unicorns, you actually think #stawin means they believe in their victory?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22639636
"team name"win was everyone's hashtag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22629556
>Entire month of hyping up Suisei, Towa, and Aqua
>They fucking choke

lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>22629593
No, it's not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22639636
Meds or get your vision checked, you're seeing things

[Anonymous No.]

>>22639778(me)
They can be absolute garbage at apex and you will still see #stawin. Doesn't = high expectations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22639807
Are you someone who cries "CENSORSHIP" on private platforms when somebody else has a differing opinion to yours?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22639778
>>22639791
Of fucking course they would believe it, otherwise they wouldn't spam it to oblivion, they hoped until the latter rounds for a comeback

[Anonymous No.]

How did that rpr dude take to Towa's loss?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22639936
he was groupwatching it with another pro that doesn't watch vtubers. everyone had a good time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22629890
>actually their fans wanted them to have Rpr as their coach
Their western """fans""" maybe. Their Japanese fans don't want them to get near men.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22638542
>an overall net loss and a stigma to her strong and stacy persona
Nigger she cried in the recent MK tournament and nothing changed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22633922
>Her opponents look so much worse than the typical squad sweet is playing against.
This is likely a consequence of skill-based matchmaking.

In modern FPS, matches are not made based on formal rank but on a hidden matchmaking rating that is generated from the statistics the game has gathered on players. The purpose of this is to make sure the challenge stays the same and most importantly: keep experienced players from stomping low level players. The game will try to match people of roughly equal skill together and distribute them in a manner so that all teams have a roughly equal likelihood of winning. A high level player will be matched against other high level opponents, even if his formal rank is low.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22629593
>They choked hard and underperformed
No, you just had high expectations from people because they were literally the only streamers you watched.

Literally nobody expected them to do well, that's why when they made one good play in scrims they got the reaction they did.

[Anonymous No.]

>Niji supremacy is a meme
Imagine Reimu half asleep smoking 3/4th of the Holo-teams and Kuzuha winning it all

[Anonymous No.]

>>22641621
My poor poor chihiro...

[Anonymous No.]

>>22641621
No need for us to imagine, your Niji friends already told us about it 69 times in this thread lmao

[Anonymous No.]

Not too surprised by the results. I'm just happy we had some regularity with Aqua streams. Now we're probably back to only once a month...

[Anonymous No.]

I really want an EN Vtuber Apex tourney. Are there enough people? Would NijiEN or HoloEN come out on top, or would they both lose to an indie team?

[Anonymous No.]

>Lose a purely for fun Tourney
>Resort to crying after you phone in practice and skrims
>Do it in the past, and know you'll do it again in the future
Do holofags unironically fall for this every time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22634524
>Mentality like this ruins men.
They're woman

[Anonymous No.]

To all the retards wanting to see them play again on VS... stop, it won't happen.
Towa will keep playing and get better so she will be worth more points eventually. The same applies to Suisei if she ever tries to follow Aqua's steps to git gud. The points won't let them form the same team again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22634631
>Plus Kagura fucking Mea is her best friend
Suisei which is considered mentally normal than most Holos are close friends with weirdos like Festival, Chammers, Rushia and Mito, what's your point

[Anonymous No.]

>>22642380
Hal has said that he will increase point totals in future VSaikyou tournaments so I wouldn't count on them not forming the same team.

[Anonymous No.]

lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>22639083
Fuck of stocking fag

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly does anyone have a timestamp of these bitches sounding dejected about their loss? Sounds kinda hot

[Anonymous No.]

>>22643630
Aqua and Towa held it together but after they wiped on the last match Suisei cried a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22630141
You can barely speak English of course you don't have words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22642775
He should. There's more Apex vtubers now and easier to get a team of diamond+ players. Right now having one hard carry and 2 fillers means a team does about as well as that one person.

[Anonymous No.]

Towa is honestly a disappointment in every Apex tournment
why does she keep getting invited, they should blacklist her

[Anonymous No.]

I felt bad for Suityan when she started crying but I got a boner as wel...

[Anonymous No.]

>>22644038
She's good at following orders and she performs decently in a more supportive role. Making her the leader and letting her form the team was a huge mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22643630
3:47:00

[Anonymous No.]

If Aqua's team did well you'd be shitting on Nijiniggers for it for the next 3 months. They deserve no sympathy or excuses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22644413
All i see is Towa cheering on Sumire. People say Sumire is a bitch but I don't buy it, I think the people in the vspo thread are just being pricks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22639803
>Endless excuses and "YEAH BUT THEY WON IN CCV" despite it a tournament for Apex Legends and not Youtube Analytics

Never stop making the Hololive fanbase look fucking awful, SEAfriends

[Anonymous No.]

>>22644540
from Suisei's pov, she starts crying

[Anonymous No.]

>>22644478
I think it was for the best it ended like this. Kuzuha winning won't end up in too much shitposts because the most vocal nijifans on vt only care about EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22644413
Thanks fren, nice hearing her trying to keep it together and then going quiet and sniffling. I live for that mood

[Anonymous No.]

>>22629556
I agree I guess
People shit on Messi but he just can't win for argentina

[Anonymous No.]

>>22629556
I wouldn't be surprised if, within a week, it's announced Towa will be taking an "extended mental health break". At a few points in the tournament, she sounded on the verge of a mental breakdown.

[Anonymous No.]

It's the problem with being the favorite

[Anonymous No.]

>>22641548
>Literally nobody expected them to do well,
Anon, shibuhal and the other commentator hyped up startend at the beginning of the show

[Anonymous No.]

>>22646003
Why did Hal think Aqua is worth as much as VGorilla? She has 0 tournament experience and her mechanics are nowhere near his.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22646181
He would have lowered it if she asked. He is pretty liberal with the points. I think aqua wanted Suisei to be on her team. She said she wanted to play more apex with her and this was the perfect opportunity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22638147
They did have a coach, they just hid it from their streams because he was a m*le.
Suisei even had a private coach she hired for "1 on 1 coaching", can you imagine the meltdowns from her fans if she streamed that?

Honestly these events need to stop inviting Hololive, they're supposed to be a celebration of all Apex vtubers and yet they have this misandrist company that was singlehandedly responsible for them canceling the shuffle round of the afterparty. Inviting them is a waste of time when they refuse to even treat half the participants as human and have to jump through hoops to interact with their fucking coach.

[Anonymous No.]

I was watching this with my friend, I had him streaming Aqua's POV and I was watching RPR's stream who had Towa and my friend kept hyping her up about how she was doing in Scrims. The only thing I knew about Aqua was that she left Apex a year ago because she was getting flamed and returned as a more aggressive player and got to Masters the Split before Respawn fucked up ranked. I told my friend that if Aqua did as well as he told me she did, I'd finally become a holofag and watch her and shit.

I was not expecting a near 'Germany in the 2018 World Cup' level of failing where she lost 2/3 first fights she took. I left after the 4th game because it was already 5am but holy fuck I was expecting a lot more. I'm not going to roast Aqua like a lot of you but like, damn bro. I get she doesn't compete in tournaments but if she does the same strat repeatedly did she not think teams would eventually catch on during the tournament proper?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22648199
The only one who had a coach was Suisei, the team didn't. The rest of your post is baiting

[Anonymous No.]

>>22648518
She lost in a pure 3v3 against the actual weakest team in the tournament lol.
But to be real for a second Hal is an attentionwhore and the other teams were being nice to Aqua in scrims to welcome her into the Apex vtuber scene. Hal took advantage of this goodwill to try to promote her as a new rising star and bring casual Apex viewers to his tournament from her pov.
The whole "mad dog" narrative and Hal focusing a ton of screen time on Aqua even when her team was underperforming in scrims just trying to force clippable moments was pretty obvious. He really wanted her to do well to make people talk about his event but she just crumbled under the pressure and her pubstomp solo wraith playstyle doesn't work in tournaments. She never got to rrat because teams took the kid gloves off and killed her first in every engagement instead of letting her use Suisei as bait like in scrims. Even in scrims the only clips of her came from the 1 or 2 rounds that her team did well and snowballed. Meanwhile teams like MST and QED were performing well almost every single round of scrims and were the real favorites to win for anyone that paid attention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22648199
It makes me glad that Holostars did well. They look like peak gentlemen in comparison.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22649359
>the team didn't.
Anon please...

[Anonymous No.]

>>22642775
Didn't Aqua make it a big deal that it was her first and last tournament? Towa would be better off with Matsuri.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22649359
This is honestly a really sad cope, I'm sorry your precious female idols interacted with males off stream but you have to come to terms with it, this is pathetic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22649995
>>22650121
ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>22644583
that is why holoniggers are getting hated and they still don't know why we hate them kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>22649923

If that's the case then I can see how that added even more pressure on top of the usual tournament pressure. That said, if what I'm hearing is true that they didn't get a coach for X reason that also doesn't help them. If it was true that RPR was willing to coach, since he Simps for Towa, then that is extra bad regardless of the reasoning for it. The language barrier is fixed with a translator, being shy isn't an excuse especially if you know there is a lot of pressure to do well.

Regardless, as you said, the teams did exactly what they were supposed to do because even in Ranked if you see this you'd jump and kill the Wraith when she solo pushes like that. Aqua was at fault for dying the second time under the building when she portal'd because she didn't take the portal back instantly after being shot at. That portal was chalked and yet she still opted to stay under, while Towa and Susei were none the wiser that she was getting ape'd until she went down, they couldn't back her up.

Also their valk ults were some of the most disgustingly bad ult's i've seen and that says a lot. I've seen Guild in EMEA valk ult bad but the two I saw was just straight inting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22650668
>That said, if what I'm hearing is true that they didn't get a coach for X reason that also doesn't help them.
They absolutely did have a coach that they only interacted with off stream because they're scared of unicorns. RPR never would've been their coach, his Japanese isn't good enough to provide proper feedback he was just bullshitting due to his love of Towa.

>Also their valk ults were some of the most disgustingly bad ult's i've seen and that says a lot. I've seen Guild in EMEA valk ult bad but the two I saw was just straight inting.
Suisei is an unironic bronze player that got boosted to Gold by duoing with her coach. She doesn't really know how to play, most of the scrims she had like 0-20 damage. In the actual tournament teams knew Suisei isn't a threat and just ignored her which is how they ended up with her as the last alive in so many rounds.

[Anonymous No.]

>bitches cried
>holoniggers started to throw superchats like she is the only champion to them and still try to pretend they are good.
they really should throw superchats to the real good team but I guess that is how hololive work huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22644413
thank you

[Anonymous No.]

>>22650891
>Suisei is an unironic bronze player that got boosted to Gold by duoing with her coach
She's plat4, and she never did duo or got boosted by her coach. The accounts are public and her private coach is Kuzuha's team coach, if she did duo with him, people would know

[Anonymous No.]

>>22639083
Based stocking sniffer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22651279
>her private coach is Kuzuha's team coach
no wonder they always run into kuzuha's team
i bet those holo whores asking him for advice with no shame.
good thing they got rekt and seeing them and their shit fans meltdown make me feel good kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>22651991
you are really obnoxious

[Anonymous No.]

>>22649923
Hal's not spending money on this tournament for nothing. The possibility of Aqua doing well brings in the views.
Aqua could've done better but she lost her nerves. Didn't even put a dent in Noah's armor >>22633670.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22652119
no I'm not.
holoniggers are the one who are obnoxious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22652119
>Holobrony looks into a mirror for the very first time

[Anonymous No.]

>>22652276
that is why they are obnoxious kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>22650907
>Instead of donating to or clipping for his fav vtuber or team he begged someone else to do it for him

[Anonymous No.]

>>22635333
YES YES

[Anonymous No.]

>>22635565
>nading the portal means killing Aqua, their carry
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
the state of Apex Analytics in this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>22650891

>RPR never would've been their coach, his Japanese isn't good enough to provide proper feedback he was just bullshitting due to his love of Towa.

I think if they had a translator they would've worked it out. That said I was somewhat impressed with Towa's ability to Bubble Fight because as a gibby that is one of your jobs, so being able to beat Aqua in the bubble warmups was something. Though they never really got to bubble fight in the tournament because of how earlier they were knocked out.

>Suisei is an unironic bronze player that got boosted to Gold by duoing with her coach. She doesn't really know how to play, most of the scrims she had like 0-20 damage. In the actual tournament teams knew Suisei isn't a threat and just ignored her which is how they ended up with her as the last alive in so many rounds.

That's fine and all, a Valkyrie player only needs to get their team in the air and anything else is a bonus. My issue was that whoever was Captain (or IGL) and making the calls on where to land were equally as bad. Straight up inting bad. Like the fight in the house on Skyhook was straight up suicide, they could've walked into zone instead and moved with zone from Building to Building.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22648199
You think if Uruca really coached them this would be the endgame? They don't even have a clear IGL that gives orders. Sure Suisei had a coach and maybe played with Towa but the team as a whole didn't. Getting one or two quips from a pro player outside of the actual scrims isn't direct coaching, that's just advice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22648199
>blames the company for being misandrist
>people who get mad if their "idol" interacts with males are also males

[Anonymous No.]

>>22653842

I never understood this. Like, I watch Selen but if she collabs with males I just...don't watch it? I don't get it lmao if they are collabing with males just don't watch turn off the monitor lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22648199
>Suisei even had a private coach she hired for "1 on 1 coaching", can you imagine the meltdowns from her fans if she streamed that?
We cometfags literally dont care enough so much that even other Holofags makes fun of us as cucks. Falseflagging as a Micometfag and talk about how Miko and Suisei are having sex will make us more angry

[Anonymous No.]

>>22653842
The company are the ones who let these mentally ill males live in delusion while exploiting them for money. Their success directly hinges on being the only company willing to entertain those delusions and eat the low-hanging fruit while every other company avoids unicorns for ethical reasons.

That's like the most misandrist thing you can do. It's not only separating lonely mentally ill dudes from their money but also driving them further down the incel-depression spiral to make them distrust women even more when shit like Rushia happens. These brain-poisoned fans go out and shit up the rest of the vtubing scene by projecting Hololive's standards onto other vtubers as well. All over the EN scene for the last 2 years no matter whether a vtuber is an indie or a corpo they get called "idols" by holotourists and people spam their maros whenever they dared to collab with a male. The company are fully aware of the negative effect their image has on vtubing as a whole but they simply do not care, because they are making money. They're fucking parasites in an objective sense and everyone else only barely tolerates them and their rabid fans or avoids them entirely to dodge the drama.

Even on this board you simply cannot discuss males and females interacting in the catalog without holoschizos coming in to shit up your thread because Hololive validated their insane beliefs about male-female relations as being totally acceptable and not fucking insane. Holotourists are what will kill vtubing and everyone knows it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22654760
No one mentioned ENs faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>22629556
Will you look at that, another retarded ESL op

[Anonymous No.]

>>22641945
Selen talked today about how she's been talking to NijiEN management about getting one organized but if that's the case it means NijiEN and Vshojo will absolutely be involved which all but guarantees HoloEN will not be there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22629593
>underperformed
they did shit in the majority of the week-long scrims, what kind of retard would expect them to actually win on this Sunday?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22641945
There's no EN vtuber apex scene, that's just an excuse for Selen to try to show off against literal bronze amauters

[Anonymous No.]

>>22655374
clipfags who only saw the 400 clips on holodex about Aqua from the 2 games they won and thought that was reflective of all their scrims.
it's funny how easily they out themselves for not watching streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22655717
>2 games they won
Pretty sure they only won once