/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Why is there such a dearth of competent singers among English-speaking vtubers? Is it just because it's still too much of an underground thing for aspiring performers to know how much money and success can be found in it?

Not trying to shitpost with Calli or IRyS by the way. I love them both and sincerely wish we had more vtubers with skills like theirs.

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>>9999999

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>>9999909
Mori isn't anywhere close to being good. It's like comparing someone who makes amv's to david lynch. She's just bland enough to be relatable to the average vtubing fan who can slurp up any garbage with the hololive label on it. Irys is good at singing, but she doesn't have a single unique thing about her voice and there aren't any bands that would want her.

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>>10000933
ok Nijinigger

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>>9999909
>competent
sounds about right

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>>9999909
Depends what you mean by "competent". If you are talking about actual pro tier singers than yeah, only IRyS qualifies. Vtubers don't need to be pro tier though. Gura is very very good and could be pro level with a little training and Baelz showed us last night that she is good enough to have awesome karaoke streams even if she is untrained. Kiara has talent too but she seems hell bent on nerfing herself with the chicken voice.

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>>10001230
Deadbraps weren't ready to hear it

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>>10001637
>Depends what you mean by "competent".
My own definition for competent is "capable of live singing that is on-pitch and in-time on most songs without the need for audio engineering or other studio magic to sound good." It is not a high bar to clear, and yet it seems like there are very few English-speaking vtubers who can meet it for whatever reason.

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>>9999909
English can be understood so it doesn't sound right.

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>>10000000

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Even the so called S-tier and A-tier "singers" in Hololive are just Okay-ish, yeah they are "competent", but why the bar is so low? Not just EN. Suisei and Azki are weak af their chest voice are underdeveloped, but they have relatively good agility. Risu is lazy she use Head-dominant mixed voice almost all the time. People legit thinks Moona is a good singer just because she can belt with chest-dominant mixed voice (in the seas of cutesy jp-style overly nasal belting, it's sad) eventhough her control is weak, she can't even sing Ai no chiisana uta (her own song) with easeness. Look at this board, there's a thread about Baelz "god-tier" singing, Holosimps are delusional, it's embarrassing. and Irys I like her as a streamer but her voice is generic female voice number X. Gura's voice... I don't know if it's her natural voice... I think she's head-dom too.

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>>9999909
Cultural differences, there are more nerds in Japan first of all, secondly it's more appealing being an idol than it is to be some literally who singing ok covers online
Not to mention Hololive has a selection process and at this point they're focusing on entertainment value over singing, even with IRyS

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>>9999909
Why are you a raging faggot?

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The truth is this is a niche market. Vtubers, Vsingers, utaites just aren't mainstream. Even the best of them really aren't good enough to get beyond the small corner of the internet they operate in.

There are even some billed as "broadway trained" or something whatever that means, but if they were really that good they wouldn't be singing songs to a small audience on youtube/nnd/whatever.

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a good singer would never want to be a vtuber

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>>10008011
Check and mating press!

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>>10006701
>but if they were really that good they wouldn't be singing songs to a small audience on youtube/nnd/whatever.
Unless there was other factors unrelated to their ability. Ironmouse

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>>10008011
They would if they knew how much money they could make from it and the alternative was languishing in obscurity as a cocktail waitress or construction worker.
>inb4 "if someone doesn't succeed in the entertainment industry, it means they just didn't have enough talent"

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>>10000933
t. deadbeat

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>>10006222
Suisei weak af? What VTubers do you consider A/S tier?

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>>9999909
Huh? Calli, Gura, and IRyS are great singers.

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>>10006222
Not gonna read all of that

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>>10006222
holy mother of "guys I took choir for a year in middle school just trust me hololive suck hololive bad"
it is true that a lot of hololive's hyped up singers are overrated, and most of their skills pale when compared to professional singers, but half the shit you're spouting is straight up false. suisei thrives in her lower register, and generic or not, irys is very skilled.

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>>10015481
>most of their skills pale when compared to professional singers
Professional singers in what genre? You're right if you're only talking about the handful of genres like opera or musical theater where authentic performances are still important; however, surely you realize that most modern professional pop singers in America can't even perform their own songs correctly without being carried by technology, right?

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>>9999909
Are you expecting those singers on-par with, say, Mariah Carey or Utada Hikaru? if their skill on-par with those two, they would just sign a contract with a label instead

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>>10015887
That was true in the early 2000s-early 2010s but most of the big pop singers in the US right now are actually quite talented, singing-wise. Say what you will about their music and style choices but Ariana Grande, Billie Eilish, and Taylor Swift (who I’d argue are the biggest pop singers atm) are, technically speaking, generally quite strong. Rap/hip hop is a definite exception though, seems like auto tune has become part of the current “style” and most rappers/hip hop don’t perform all that well beyond the actual rapping (and some even struggle in that)

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>>10015887
yeah, that is what I meant by professionals. but as far as jpop goes, a lot of holos are really good singers. if I didn't think so, I wouldn't bother defending them.
I do think saying that most american pop singers can't sing is not true though. technology can only go so far. every recorded singer in the history of ever tunes their vocals for studio recordings, and anything that sounds "autotuned" is usually stylistic. most of the time, a bad singer will sound bad no matter what. a trained ear can pick out shitty tuning clear as day.
with that said, I really hope hololive starts hiring more talented singers. that was one of my biggest hopes with council, but holoen doesn't seem to prioritize singing.

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>>10015922
Bro, comparing someone who can sing for real to Mariah Carey is not a compliment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmZcD9sIP7Q

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>>10017339
>Get these monitors on please
she can't hear the song so her timing is fucked. you don't actually hear a lot of the music you're playing while standing on stage/behind the speakers, that's why they wear in-ear monitors

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>>10000933
Pink woman bad.
Meanwhile I'm sure Anon is animating masterpieces and is a world renown pitch control expert who is the expert on all forms of singing. Fuck off and stop being jealous of someone who actually developed their talents and worked hard