/gng/-Gura's Nihilism General

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We break down,study or even embrace Gura's Nihilism.

Recently, Gura has spoke about her belief in nihilism, where there's no god and nothing in life matters, this might seem depressing to some but Gura herself explains it's actually relaxing

As Gura says it herself, we are just monkeys on a small rock, there is no creator that watches or judges us. We are given the complete freedom with our lives.

If we are stressed about bad moments or worried about this and that, we must remember that at the end of the day, nothing actually matters. Just go out there, have fun and try your best!

And remember, nothing in life matters!

Here are Gura clips, which speak of her Nihilism:

https://streamable.com/5xfiis

https://streamable.com/1us6tx

https://streamable.com/8v7b98

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>>993426
Why do you space out your sentences like that?

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>>993448
Because nothing matters

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>>993426
Why care so much about what a virtual shark loli has to say about? Just watch and enjoy.

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If nothing matters objectively, than we must act in our own best interests at all times.

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>>993460
If that's the case you wouldn't have put the extra effort on specifically spacing out every sentence like that, or even capitalizing words, or even bothering to post links or make this thread at all.

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>>993426
If Mainlander was alive today he'd totally watch Gura.

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>>993532
Nothing matters doesn't mean that we just sit down and wait to die. We can still enjoy life to make great accomplishments.

It just means that we enjoy our life without the burden of a creator studying and watching our every move, to end the pressure that we're some unique beings that were placed in this world.

We're just ants within this universe, so once we remove that then we can truly enjoy life at its fullest.

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It's kinda hard to argue against nihilism when the world is in lock down with parasocial interactions being inherently shallow.
But I have a little bit of hope that once this mess is over people will become more community focused in a reactionary way.

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>>993426
She literally just said that she read one article that made her thoughtful.
That's it.
Nowhere did she ever say that she thinks that life has no meaning or that she is a godless fedora tipper.
The article itself isn't even very specific. It basically just says that our time on *this* earth is limited so we should value it.

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I think Gura's too stupid to comprehend nihilism.

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>>993426
I hope we continue this, I really like this general

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Gura should look up the Ideal Observer Theory then.
If "everything is subjective", which she already seems to believe, then a universalist form of cognitvism necessarily follows.

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Wouldn't be surprised if millennials turn to Taoism in their 40-50s.
It's basically the perfect answer for their Nihilist world view and socialist ideals.

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>>993426
>As Gura says it herself, we are just monkeys on a small rock, there is no creator that watches or judges us.
She never said that.
>If we are stressed about bad moments or worried about this and that, we must remember that at the end of the day, nothing actually matters. Just go out there, have fun and try your best!
Try what? If you do not assign meaning to anything, then there should be zero motivation to act. Self-proclaimed nihilists are usually just too lazy to think about where they derive meaning from so they just say "there is no meaning".

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>>993600
>look up info on this dude
>"in his central work Die Philosophie der Erlösung (The Philosophy of Redemption or The Philosophy of Salvation) — according to Theodor Lessing, "perhaps the most radical system of pessimism known to philosophical literature" Mainländer proclaims that life is absolutely worthless, and that "the will, ignited by the knowledge that non-being is better than being, is the supreme principle of morality.""
>he hanged himself while using copies of his own books as a platform
That's pretty hardcore.

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>>993426
That's a retarded concept. I just gave superchat to Matsuri a few hours ago

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>>993426
>Gura believes in Optimistic Nihilism
Holy based

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>>993692
She said it changed her thoughts on life and says a lot of nihilism quotes after this.
>>993881
You can still assign meaning but still welcome the view of nothingness

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>>994010
I've never been able to equate optimism with nihilism, but thats probably just a personal problem.

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>>993692
I'm pretty sure most holo girls don't adhere to any religions.

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>>993426
>trying to have a philosophical discussion
>on /vt/
Are you retarded?

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>>994117
She said it made her sit down and think about life. That's it. And that's pretty normal after reading an article about an existental topic. When I encountered these views for the first time, I also thought about life. She never said "Oh and therefore I think there is no God!"

She also didn't say "a lot of nihilism quotes". Her brief comments that things don't matter are super vague and nobody knows how serious she is. You're just desperately trying to create a narrative.
>You can still assign meaning but still welcome the view of nothingness
No, as a nihilist you cannot assign meaning without contradicting yourself. There just rarely are true nihilists (because those that existed probably killed themselves soon after arriving at that belief like the dude mentioned ITT). Some people just love to call themselves nihilists. Nietzsche, for instance, called himself a "nihilist par excellence", yet he makes thousands of value statements.

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>>994189
And I'm pretty sure that your statement is completely baseless.

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>>994272
Fuck off retard.

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>>994272
They honestly do not strike me as the religious type, I can see them having some spiritual beliefs but none of them seem to be the type to adhere strictly to a religion like christianity, for example.

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>>994257
>vague
>"Everything is fake? Yeah that's true, Nothing is real, I read somewhere that describes us as monkeys on a small rock, it made me really think about life"

These are nihilism thoughts and not "vague". And adding "nothing really matters" is related TOWARDS nihilism

https://medium.com/@maartenvandoorn/nothing-matters-but-thats-not-what-matters-50a34bc9de20

It also references towards Nietzsche's book called "God is dead".

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>>994257
When someone says "nothing in life matters", they're usually into nihilism

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OP wants to discuss his shitty takes and is using Gura as an excuse when she doesn't subscribe to the same beliefs at all. This thread should be removed for being off topic.

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>>994257
I mean, she did say "nothing actually matters" outright in the third clip. Now it's up to the individual to interpret what she actually meant by that.

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Since there is some confusion on this thread about what Gura meant, how about this: Someone throws a red superchat at her asking her if she thinks her beliefs relate to nihilism or a question similar to that, and see what she says.

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>>993520
seconded

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>>994490
This.
It's offtopic shitposting of the worst kind; you can tell op is deliberately avoiding bringing his thoughts to a place where people are willing to challenge or expand on his ideas, because he knows he's gonna get btfo.

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>>993520
based stirnerposter

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>>994272
most normal under 30y/o's dont really engage in religion anymore

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>>994543
>>994490
Gura is talking about this and making it a theme within her streams, this is very on-topic

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>>993426
if nothing matters, then why does she matter so much to me? checkmate Gura.

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>>994425
You're grasping for straws. All we have is Gura being reminded of that article while chatting. That's it.
>It also references towards Nietzsche's book called "God is dead".
Yeah I bet that's what Gura was going for, idiot.
>>994483
Usually? No, most people who say that are just normies with little to no interest in philosophy. For them, it goes as deep as saying "YOLO".

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>>994589
>it's ok to assert that baseless claims person A are facts because they are true for many other people
nope

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>>994634
>a few seconds worth of soundbites
>making it a theme within her streams
stop

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>>994791
Serious question, would it bother you if one of the girls you likes was not a religious person?

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>>994747
ppl dont need to read philosophy to have philosophical thought or be nihilists. in fact, modern philosophy sucks so hard BECAUSE everybody is just reading established stuff instead of innovating

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>>993520
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>>994566
It's sad that even this place is getting infested by /pol/tards

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She is a millennial/zoomer, so thats not exactly a unique trait. Its easier for people in our generation to embrace some nihilistic anti-philosophy than face things like economic hopelessness, spiritual decay, and dysfunctional relationships.

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>>993426
>Recently, Gura has spoke about her belief in nihilism
and just like that, the magic is gone

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>>994853
If the character was canonically an atheist and it's straightforward and played as a joke? Yes, then I would not enjoy the streams anymore. If the girl behind the character is one. I don't really care as long as she keeps it outside of the streams.

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>>994880
I don't browse /pol/ though, I browse /lit/.

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>>994922
no wonder you're such a pretentious faggot

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>>994880
inb4
>gura is actually an anarcho-capitalist, y'all! listen to this five second soundbite of her saying that she doesn't want plp in Minecraft to steal her stuff! that's clearly a reference to her ancap beliefs!

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>>993426

tl;dr you're a fag

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Unsubscribed

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>>994914
I find it kind of weird personally, but everyone has different tastes. I personally don't mind if a chuuba is religious or not. An islamic female vtuber with an avatar wearing a burka so that you can't even see her eyes would be pretty hilarious.

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>>993426
Nihilism is for pussies

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>>994880
ah yes, anarchists, the typical chud right-wing /pol/ type.....

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>>994862
If that thought doesn't go any furhter than
>fuck I'm feeling anxious...oh come on in the grand scheme of things your fuckups are insignificant so relax
then that's just a normal human way to deal with existential angst, rather than a thought-out rejection of all moral values and purpose in existence.

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>tfw no schoppy vtuber

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>>995071
At least half that board consists of ancaps and libertarians
inb4
>mimimi those aren't REAL anarchists

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>>995029
based

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I'm not gonna look deeper into this but i know what i wanna do. Unsubscribed just like i did to that betrayer Pewdiepie.

Feeling greek philosopher super smart. Well you cannot use philosophy to get a kid with Marzia for years now huh Pewds? That's because a kid is a blessing a debaucherous redditor like you don't deserve. Your only fate is for Marzia to think about Fernando from your trip on Morroco.

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>>994880
A "spook" is an immaterial hindrance to realizing your goals. This can span from social stigma to society itself, replace it with "meme" and it'll make far more sense.
It's also worth noting---and this is where I differ from most Stirnerists---that an obsession with what is and isn't a spook can itself become a spook.

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Shit man, people get really angry when you imply that the girl in real life isn't 100% similar to the image of her they have in their heads. Then again these are idols we are talking about so maybe I shouldn't be so surprised, fans are always weird.

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>>995180
What the fuck are you talking about you schizo, what did pewdiepie do?

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>>995213
He said nigger.

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>>993448
There's no reason not to.

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>>995290
Someone should tell G-Fuel they're supporting a white supremacist, then.

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>>993426
holy fuck you philosophy retards are embarrassing

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>>995102
Gen2 of HoloEN will no longer be Holomyth, but Holophil.
Luise Wittgenstein
>becomes a good friend of Ame.
Emmanuelle Kant
>loves to throw parties and to eat mustard
Beatrice Russell
>steals Calli from Kiara
Tamsin Hobbes
>cool royal outfit
Theodora Adorno
>makes the best King cover

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>>995440
That'd be so fucking good, holy shit.

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>>995437
And the feeling is mutual. What's your point?

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>>995190
I don't care about that bullshit. There is no entelechy of "self" and therefore one necessarily and unavoidably cannot act as the kind of egoist that retard envisioned. To treat what you call "self" as special and different is vanity and ignorance. It's based on delusions and metaphiysical misunderstandings.

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>>995517
isn't there some other board where you can drool and babble about your mindless nonsense?

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>>995437
OP is pseudo-philosophical at best though.

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>>995602
it's the same fucking thing. philosophy is intrinsically meaningless pseudointellectual drivel.

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>>995616
Not all of it. Surely you have some kind of moral compass or theory of justice you adhere to. You don't have to say what it is, but I hazard the guess that it's the result of philosophical thought.

I totally get where you are coming from though. Most so-called philosophy truly is pseudointellectual drivel. I think the main problem is that there is not nearly enough rigor in that field. What is needed is a proper philosophical language, just like we have a mathematical language, so that we can get rid of all the shitty eristic rhetoric and purely focus on dialectics.

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Wouldn't be surprised if it was an article about the Pale Blue Dot quote. Photos of the earth from space have been cited as a transformational catalyst in all sorts of fields

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>>995755
yes, all of it, faggot.

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>>995616

Nah, I was once edgy like you too, until I realized laws and politics pretty much rule our lives, and the arguments / debates in laws and politics ultimately involve some kind of (amateurish) philosophy. Morality, knowledge and utility are things we argue about each day. So though academic philosophy is obscure, we rediscover the applied version each day (and we are usually bad at it).

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> Rewatch Gura' passpartout stream.
> Some faggot insisted on keep nazi bot.
Good thing Gura doesn't listen to them.

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>>995755
It is impossible to reduce inherently non-logical problems of society to logic. Otherwise those would just be called mathematics / logic.

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>>996048
ah, here comes that drivel. into the trash you go.

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>>995755
If you do that then Math is Philosophy.
In fact, I think that any philosophy's statement without math background can't be trusted.

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>>996086
Sounds like you are too underage for this talk.

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>>996113
found the utilitarian

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>>996078
A point of view can be tested for its internal logical consistency. However, due to the frailty of human nature, people will hold on to their conceptions even when they are demonstrated to be inconsistent.

Humans can do math because it is mainly used as a means to an end. Mathematical reasoning is, therefore, instrumental reasoning. It helps us to achieve our goals and is therefore done rigorously.
However, if math was instead somehow used to establish the intellectual integrity of the goals we have, then you would regularly meet people who tell you that five plus five equals potato.

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>>996143
Not him but that doesn't follow at all.

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>>993426
positiv nihilism is liberation of ones mind

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>>993426
This is the biggest atheistic cope

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>>994540
Stirner-chan debut when

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>>995028
Is VTubing حَرَام?

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>>996323
>A point of view can be tested for its internal logical consistency
Sure, but that's not all there is. Like in physics, there are theorems which are just logic derived from axioms, and then there are axioms that can only come from experimentation and real-world observations. Most fundamental disagreements revolve around axioms, for which no maths can help.

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>>995180
Nobody care about your greaseball whore, schizo.

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>>995440
yes please

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>>996353
It is less mental gymnastics than imagining a universal god that cares for you, gives you an afterlife, and punishes people who don't subscribe to your cult.

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>>996459
If that was true, then everything would consistently improce since scientific progress keeps going on. However, in human affairs, ethics and politics there is no such progress. Science is used instrumentally and is therefore done rigurously. Notice that well established scientific findings are only ever denied when they are conflicting with somebody's intuitive ideological views.
We enthusiastically promote all reason that amplifies our ability to do what we want but reject reason whenever it questions or undermines this ability.

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>>996583
You must feel euphoric in this moment.

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>>996721
Not him but the problem with all this is that it's hard to establish an "objective philosophy", a lot of people would say it is impossible since they believe it inherently subjective.

You can see it everywhere, it's most obvious when you discuss ethics, what is considered good and what is considered bad is different depending on the individual.

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>>996721
> in human affairs, ethics and politics there is no such progress.
Nowadays slavery is no longer cool in most countries. I consider that progress. Sure many awful things keep coming back, and progress is often slow and paid with blood, but ask yourself, on a general level, whether you prefer to live as a commoner in this period or 2 millennia ago.

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>>996840
I feel like the vast majority of worldly controversies is miles away from meta-ethics. I am willing to bet that if we rigorously scrutinized the secular views of people (me and you included), we would find a huge cluster of contradictions. A contradiction is a contradiction regardless of whether morality is cognitivist or non-cognitivist. However, we cannot even take a single step towards improving that situation because people generally do not want reason to interfere with their volition.
Admittedly, what I am saying does not really address metaphysical disputes which surely also play a big role. However, I have the suspicion that most metaphysical disputes are rooted in wordly desires as well, rather than a genuine in metaphysical truths.

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>>996948
>whether you prefer to live as a commoner in this period or 2 millennia ago.
I prefer to live as a commoner now solely because of the merits of modern technology.
Otherwise, I see no relevant difference.
Slavery is merely a manifestation of something that today is as popular as ever, namely undue discrimination. Racism and sexism are wrong because they are ways in which we treat certain groups as having less moral worth on the basis of features that are not morally significant, since neither sex nor race are in and of themselves functional attributes (although they may coincide with them). No special burdens or benefits should be distributed on the basis of morally insignificant features.

If people learned this lesson, then we would see them reject all manifestations of discrimination based on non-functional features equally. However, we do not see that. We see strong rejection to slavery in places where the social and historic circumstances are such that children were taught that slavery is bad. This attitude has more in common with fashion trends than with morality.

To me, the Pinker-esque view that humanity is marching from barbarity to enlightenment seems dewy-eyed. The human mind is designed to serve evolutionary success, not moral principles that go beyond human instincts. The values you speak of are intermittent moral sensations that are determined by the needs of the moment. The use of knowledge will always be as shifting and crooked as humans are themselves. We freely use what we know to meet our most urgent needs - even if the final result is ruin.

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I can see why Gura causes seethe amongst some faggots in this board. She's an absolute troll and shatters the innocence portrayal incel waifufags expect out of vtubers.

I like this chick already.

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>>997356
if that's what you want then you might enjoy Vshojo

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>>995029
immensely based, now about God...

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>>997256
>Otherwise, I see no relevant difference.
I see plenty of differences beyond tech. Injustices still happen, but most people no longer have to worry about being captured by slave traders.
> This attitude has more in common with fashion trends than with morality
And why would you say morality is not a trend? It is something that changes with the era and society, not some eternal truth. Some tenets become widely adopted, just like how some fashion articles are (e.g. suits). But others change with time.

>marching from barbarity to enlightenment
Just as I said, plenty of injustices still happen. But at the same time we can not deny stuff that has changed, like the removal of slavery. I consider that a step towards enlightenment, and I don't have to worry some randos may write a thesis to disagree with me on that. Subjectivity is fine because we are human. You seem to display an obsession with something more objective and absolute than "intermittent moral sensations". I am comfortable with that description. Both the obsession with absolutism and reductionism seem like iconoclastic masturbation to me.

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Gura matters to me :(

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>>997063
readability and emphasis you peabrain.

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we'll see who laughs last when Gura is found hanging from the attic in 7 weeks.

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>>993426
Nihilism is cringe and it can lead to the path where you don't care about how you affect others because only you matter.

I don't want to go fricken' Freud on Gura but is this just some cope for her anxiety or something?

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>>994189
Risu (and maybe iofi) prays 5 times a day

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>>997979
kek I thought about that. "nothing matters" is a way to cope when you've become dissatisfied with the outcome of your life for too long. That can lead to a lot of anxiety and so the mantra of "it's okay nothing really matters" becomes the crutch to get you through a bad day. It would have been kino if she said "nothing really matters.... *to me*~" and sang the last few bars of bohemian rhapsody.

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>>997737
If you think that morality is nothing more than a popular trend, then how can you say that there is any moral progress? In that case, there would be no ideal we could be progressing towards.
The slave traders you speak of would be just as morally justified in their actions as those who are fighting against them.

What frustrates me is that humans use the power of reason for their ends but show no humility towards it. Reason is like a benevolent goddess who blessed some degenerate mud dweller with all kinds of amazing wonders but instead of holding her in veneration, the ingrate turned her into his harlot.
To me, that makes the human animal the lowest of all animals. Despite being capable, the human mind hates to reflect on itself and can't bear to submit itself to rational scrutiny. If not morally, then at least poetically, humanity deserves extinction.

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>>993426
Well?

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Is she the greatest philosophical mind of all time?

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>>998407
>the no one
is this a heckin nihilism reference

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>>998407
She is too far ahead of our time. Most of our pea-blains can't comprehend the wisdom in her words.

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>>998407
Haachama's pepeloni explanation is the plane scene of vtubers.

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>>993426
she will graduate next month
screencap

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Guys was this a split from ggg? Do we need another split?

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>>996583
Cope harder fedora monkey, theism makes sense, while the atheistic argument boils down to "If God exists, why bad things happen?"

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Best way to cure a nihilist is to shoot their dog. Suddenly shit starts mattering to them.

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>>998407
idk she has some stiff competition

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>>998627
>>998629
based

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>>993923
Not only that
He jacked himself off while hanging

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Sure see an awful lot of King Of the Kikes followers playing armchair psychologist about an anime shark girl and the girl who plays her, just because she said "nothing matters" how about you faggots just simmer down and take your heads out of your asses.

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>>993426
Poor Minilodon.

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>>998806
I completely understand what you said and would normally agree with you, but the thread largely turned into a discussion of nihilism instead, and I appreciate any opportunity for such a brainlet philosophy to get shat upon.

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>>998806
>King Of the Kikes
who

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>>998629
best comment ITT

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>>998664
That's just chaos.

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>>998664
did she had a stroke?

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>>993426
it's only a phase

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>>998914
Camus sucks

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>>998318
>morality is nothing more than a popular trend, then how can you say that there is any moral progress
There is no contradiction here. Progress happens and morals change. If morals don't change, that's when no progress is possible. Perhaps you just need to consider why you need to be obsessed with absolutism. Like you want to have a final word on things. Each human will always have to learn and debate and deliberate, and that's not only fine, but a good thing.

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glad to see most people on /vt/ are able to recognize nihilism for the meme it is

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If every mental illness depicted below was a philosophy or ideology, what would they be?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnlu7lLAZbo

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>>999169
liberalism

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>>999169
BPD is literally me

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>>999258
Actually true though.

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>this thread

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>>999258
I mean, if each one had an ideology.

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>>993426
Gura clearly is a scholar of transpersonal psychology. To her, nothing matters because she understands that an individual's fleeting inner experience is nothing compared to the perennial waves in the vast ocean of conscious existence. She expresses this clearly when she says "A", the first letter in the alphabet that is nothing compared to language itself. Gura contends that we are not individuals but pieces of the entirety of existence. According to her, we have to escape the trappings of individual consciousness and view ourselves as the whole that we are. She thinks that clinging to human existence is what limits our understanding. All things change in a dynamic environment and we must change as well if we want to understand. That is why she said "We aren't lost when we have no home, so I'm not really lost." Gura has no "self" that serves as her soul's home because she identifies herself with the viewpoint of the universe. Nothing in particular matters to Gura, because everything matters.

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>>999344
I recognize everyone but the guy on the right with the turban, who is that?

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>>999435
The guy under Charlie Chaplin? That's Mohammed, the god of the islmastic muslims.

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>>999169
>>999403
Autism every last one of them

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>>999435
Al-Ma'arri, one of the earliest pessimist philosophers.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ma%27arri
>Abū al-ʿAlāʾ al-Maʿarrī (Arabic: أبو العلاء المعري, full name أبو العلاء أحمد بن عبد الله بن سليمان التنوخي المعري Abū al-ʿAlāʾ Aḥmad ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn Sulaymān al-Tanūkhī al-Maʿarrī, also known under his Latin name Abulola Moarrensis; December 973 – May 1057) was a blind Arab philosopher, poet, and writer. Despite holding a controversially irreligious worldview, he is regarded as one of the greatest classical Arabic poets.
>Described as a "pessimistic freethinker", al-Ma'arri was a controversial rationalist of his time, citing reason as the chief source of truth and divine revelation. He was pessimistic about life, describing himself as "a double prisoner" of blindness and isolation. He attacked religious dogmas and practices, was equally critical and sarcastic about Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Zoroastrianism, and became a Deist.
>He advocated social justice and lived a secluded, ascetic lifestyle. He was a vegan, known in his time as moral vegetarianism, entreating: "do not desire as food the flesh of slaughtered animals / Or the white milk of mothers who intended its pure draught / for their young". Al-Ma'arri held an antinatalist outlook, in line with his general pessimism, suggesting that children should not be born to spare them of the pains and suffering of life.

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>>993426
DUDE
NIHILISM
LMAO
she's right though

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Summary of this thread: atheism makes you feel depressed, lost and anxious.

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>>999566
holy based batman

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>>999566
Fucking hell, can't imagine being against Islam on an islamic country in the 10-11th century. That guy had some balls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>993426
Nihilism is gay
Absurdism is where it's at

[Anonymous No.]

>>999566
>He attacked religious dogmas and practices, was equally critical and sarcastic about Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Zoroastrianism, and became a Deist.
Fucking based

[Anonymous No.]

Man Gura is really good at riling you guys up

[Anonymous No.]

>>993426
I'll take this little dumbass' word on philosophy when she demonstrates a grasp of third-grade math

[Anonymous No.]

>>999900
I'll consider your opinion when you can beat me at Muse Dash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uydZpb_F7So

[Anonymous No.]

>>993426
>https://streamable.com/8v7b98
oh lord this is too cute i guess will watch her now

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe I don't understand it or whatever, but I don't see the controversy around nihlism. Where would any "point" or meaning to life come from? I think the best we have is our animal instincts to stay alive and have kids, but that's just biology and not very meaningful on it's own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>995134
Stirners ideas are broad enough to be shared by opposing sides

[Anonymous No.]

>>1000847
https://smallpdf.com/shared#st=ede9f0bd-af70-42b4-9d34-7e7e9965149f&fn=Weismuller+-+A+Pragmatist+Critique+of+Moral+Nihilism.pdf&ct=1614379704071&tl=share-document&rf=link

[Anonymous No.]

>>1001025
They are retarded enough to be gobbled up by retards from every camp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>998123
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8AG0OV1QCI

[Anonymous No.]

>>993426
people like gura are the greatest argument against democracy. I would happily give up my vote if it meant retards didn't get to vote either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1001446
are you me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>993426
gura is an idiot

[Anonymous No.]

>>1001446
Agreed. It's shocking that we let literal retards vote as well. It makes the entire process absurd. We let people cast a vote on issues they literally are incapable of understanding because their cognitive abilities are below those of little children.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1001446
>>1001540

>>/pol/

Fucking retards you two ass cancers.

[Anonymous No.]

>person says that they think life has no inherent meaning
>this gets people angry enough to want to tear down democracy
This thread is a gold mine, I hope we have a second one after this one ends.

[Anonymous No.]

Very cool thread you got there. Now listen to this.
https://streamable.com/3bn6q3

[Anonymous No.]

>>1001446
>>1001540

>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.]

Nihilism is retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>1000303
You are banished...and you'll like it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1001446
>>1001540
Based
>>1001982
>>1002047
Cringe

[Anonymous No.]

Great thread, been learning a lot from reading the intelligent responses

[Anonymous No.]

>>993426
where's the real gura thread? not this retard shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>1002022
I hated democracy long before this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1002974
This is the real gura thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003022
kill yourself philosofaggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>993426
>>993448

This, many people search for the meaning of stuff, you can do it, but searching for a true answer to life is bullshit.

>Why even try at life?


Because not trying is losing by default, life has no meaning which means human can give it a meaning if they want or not, it's up to the individual to decide if it should do anything or not about itself and other humans, nobody is gonna do much about you doing nothing or doing too much unless it is something that threatens their stability or status quo (state laws and obligation/rights), the best they can do to change your way inmediately is to kill you, which in all honestly, means nothing too, it was supposed to happen anyways, just living makes it easier to cope with.

Do whatever the fuck you want people, just remember that you take the action to try and make life less boring, if life is less boring to you by just consuming and doing jackshit, then that's equally fine.

I'm no NEET but this mindset makes me go around life without worries and only get better at something if I want something the society offers, if not then I don't give a flying fuck about it, last 3 elections I have voted for any candidate after rolling a dice, that's how much I care about politics.

Live people, just remember that not getting out of a situation is entirely your fault and you can only blame yourself for all of the shit you take for taking or not taking action.

Dice rolls basically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003037
Keep seething brainlet

[Anonymous No.]

Gura just has BPD.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003126
all women have BPD

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003079
you have the thought process of a woman

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003079
>Live people, just remember that not getting out of a situation is entirely your fault and you can only blame yourself for all of the shit you take for taking or not taking action.
So if someone randomly gets shot in the head while walking down, it's their fault?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003079
This is so fucking hackneyed. After reading that, I feel like I just watched the ending monologue of some cartoon sitcom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003198
Yeah, should have stayed holed up in his house for his entire life, I've been doing it and I haven't been shot yet, so it works

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003126
>>1003152
>tfw I'm a man and I have BPD
Damn

[Anonymous No.]

I want more philosophy lessons from gura

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003342
>I'm a man
cock or gtfo

[Anonymous No.]

>>999169
Schizophrenia: deleuze, nick land, /vt/
Sociopathy: stirner
Autism: marx, wittgenstein, watching vtubers
Bpd: twitter
Depression: kierkegaard
Bipolar: nietzsche
Neurotypical: not caring about gay shit like philosophy

[Anonymous No.]

>>999566
So he was the original fedora? Pretty impressive, not gonna lie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003079
Wow, dude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mEsVny3e3w

[Anonymous No.]

>>999566
>He advocated social justice
Fucking medieval SJWs

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003185
>Gives explanation on nihilistic thread about life
>>1003185
>"you have the thought process of a woman"
>Didn't even try to argue
>I hate the word incel but the fuck incel anon?!?!?!

[Anonymous No.]

This is by far the highest quality thread on /vt/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003126
No, she just has anxiety and adhd and some autistic traits. If anyone in hololive is BPD it's probably Kiara

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003659
Oh yeah Kiara has BPD for sure, not surprising since she got raped when she was a teen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003392
gura reads yukio mishima

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003649
Not really. It's just a clusterfuck of confused rhetoric that has the apparent design of being intended to impress people who don't understand what's being discussed, and baffle people who do understand what's being discussed into intellectual submission.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003743
I thought it was only an attempted rape.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003782
pretty sure anon's post was ironic

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003659
And maybe lesbian traits but this is mostly a big rrat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>993426
>>999999
>>1000000

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003842
Hmm, I'm not sure, all I remember is that I saw it on a dox post. Still, it fucked her mentally anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003966
>We know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003865
I wasn't, I genuinely think this is the best thread on /vt,/, it is the one I'm enjoying the most.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003865
Irony is a funny concept, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1004055
There are some quality shitposts and rrats in here.

Just some insane and inane bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003782
t. assmad nihilist projecting le epic intellectual superiority because nobody is buying his meme philosophy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1004055
Because it is a thread discussing actual nihilistic thoughts without having to deal with moral superiority fags or religious fags from the /lit/ board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1004181
the only place you can discuss "actual nihilistic thought" is on a gura thread on a vtuber board. Roru roru you people are beyond jokes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>993426
Every single form of nihilism is retarded, including positive nihilism most people that are nihilistic either are really fucking young and are in their doomer phase or watch that Kutgesagt video and formed their entire world-view around it

[Anonymous No.]

>>996583
It's sad to think that you think it's unrealistic to believe that there is a being that cares for people Anon, but that's the nihilism mindset all right

[Anonymous No.]

>most people that are nihilistic either are really fucking young and are in their doomer phase or watch that Kutgesagt video and formed their entire world-view around it
God, that's so fucking accurate lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>Gura: nihilist
>Ame: Joker loving conservative
are they proof that people with different views can be friends?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1004522
There's no conflict between those views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1004401
As I said, you can give life meaning, it's up to you to think and believe about anything, just don't go around telling people to be you, it just makes them dive deeper into their niche, people can only "save" themselves if they want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>998123
For real though so many nihilists use that logic to justified their belief for their current lives being shit they see it as a way out of their suffering

[Anonymous No.]

>>1002038
5:35 on gives me chills every fucking time

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is 10/10, please keep adding to this as she reveals more of her nihilistic beliefs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1004182
>t. assmad nihilist
Thank god I'm not THAT retarded. Nah I'm not an edgelord.
This is the apex of this thread: >>998629
The rest is just wiffle waffle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1004422
>Kurzgesagt
Oh god that shit still exists? The oversimplified garbage they spred is pure toxic to any sane mind.

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder gura is also a lesbian with family issues and BPD
Oh and also a shark

[Anonymous No.]

>>1004181
>religious fags
Go pray to your nothingness, atheist scum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1004888
Yes, and given the numbers it's what's now educating the future generations. Future voters. What joy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1004901
No idea if she is indeed lesbian but hey, I guess that means schizos won't ever need to worry about her idol sucking cock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1004181
The fuck are you talking about? Nihilism threads on /lit/ are way better, this thread is just shitposting

[Anonymous No.]

>>1004888
I honestly think Kurzgesagt is great when they're basically just hypothesizing about crazy shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1004901
>lesbian
Gura's favorite bird is the blue JAY.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1004964
I'm genuinely feeling sick now. Opening this thread was a mistake. I was in a good mood without the assistance of alcohol for once.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1004943
I was talking about the fuckers who spread word about X and they keep insisting on it to you and pretty much harass you if you don't believe in their things or nothing at all, I am catholic but I don't really seem to care much about it, I have not visited a church in 4 years by now, but I kinda still hold some beliefs.

I guess I just got out of believing God itself is the only 100% out of reach force of this world which humans should pray to, it makes no sense considering there's so many other religions.

[Anonymous No.]

God you people are such drama queens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005110
They're also far from the worst actors out there, buddy. Better drink up, because the ride will be bumpy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005110
Anon, suicide is gay, you gain the same thing you get for free and zero effort at some future point in your life, why not go around and do some fuckery before the inevitable?, heck, at least it might be funnier than just clipping a bullet in your skull.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005127
*tips*

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005187
Yeah, suicide is for the nihilists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005102
Having superficial knowledge of something is worse than being completely ignorant, because most plp with superficial knowledge turn into conceited cunts who think they know enough about the relevant topic to lecture others about it. Kurzgesagt is the epitome of spreading superficial knowledge. It's a factory for conceited cunts. It gives people who are intellectually lazy the illusion that they are informed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005218
The name of their channel says it alone that their videos are oversimplified and sourced for anyone who wants further reading. It's not really their fault that consoomers won't watch anything longer than 5 minutes unless it's some retard like Joe Rogan.
I haven't watched their videos in years but from what I remember they're alright as an intro to subjects or as supplementary material for middle/high school classes. Better than the outdated and pseudoscience shit we got shown in school 15 years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005213
Doubt it, suicide is pretty much the off button of anyone, even overachievers might do so if they feel like not winning enough.

Suicide is just the off button, but why use it?

The party is just starting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1004522
Please tell me more about Ame's conservatism.

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is basically what happens when you put in

>religionfags
>polfags
>nihilistfags

Into one thread and letting them talk with each other. And as we can see the result is not pretty

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005218
>>1005240

Superficial knowledge is better than no knowledge, it is just bad if it is ill intentionally biased to X reason, like politics or individuals.

[Anonymous No.]

You guys can't believe how glad I am that Biden won.

[Anonymous No.]

>>993426
>mfw reading this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005308
Don't forget worthless metafaggots like yourself, which contribute neither humor nor salient thought to the conversation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005308
I don't know what kind of mood-stabilizers you're on, because this is one of the best threads I've ever been a part of. And remember, you're some other kind of fag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005308
How wonderful that this has become a forum for free-thinkers to gather and share ideas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005240
A proper intro does not draw conclusions. It gives you some very basic information about the discourse and then leaves you with the unresolved issue.
Kurzgesagt usually gives you a one-eyed perspective with the clear intention of convincing you of their standpoint but shield themselves from this very criticism by saying "or perhaps not" once in a while after dedicating the entire rest of the video to clearly argue a point. They are the scheiß Kartoffelversion of SP.

[Anonymous No.]

They should move this thread to /lit/, maybe then we could have some actual discussion

[Anonymous No.]

>>1004943
Thinkers like aquinas and contextual interpretation of scripture should be nails in the coffin to the "lmao religion dumb" richard dawkins babbies, yet we still have the majority of people thinking that an idea/theory/philosophy/etc being "purely secular" (usually code for "spun up after WWII") immediately makes it intellectually superior.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005322
Political bias isn't significant as long as it's factual and grounded in reality. Reactionaries tend to base their views on feelings which is impossible to debate or disprove and just leads to tribal warfare. At least if you have the right facts you're equipped to debate your position and can engage in dialogue to improve your views no matter how bad your starting position was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005303
This one is heavy, so alright, listen.

The rrat goes that younger depressed Ame met in the net a group and got into it, they were Libertarians, not conservative nor lib in american standards, but a group of local Libertarian extremists, and these fuckers were planning to strike some/several places, but apparently it was all an american intelligence op to rat out domestic terrorists.

Ame, apparently, had a fight with some members/verbal discussion and jumped ship for not being able to stand them anymore, then weeks/days if not hours later, the CIA/FBI raided the place where everyone was and captured them, most of them were given life in prison and some will never be able to leave the US while also getting all of their aspects of their life recorded for suspicion.

Ame quite literally lucked out and avoided life in prison/surveillance 24/7.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005516
Make the thread there, "Gawr Gura Nihilism General" and cross-link it, I'm sure /lit/ will love that.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't think Gura would even understand 10% of the shit being talked about here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005616
Of course not. Gura is just a dummy with BPD.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005616
She's just a shark who wants to sing to the ukulele and play vidya

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005532
This is true but I still don't like it because exposing people to certain philosophical way of thought while also giving them a bias in the process can end up causing the individuals to confuse the line of thought as leaning towards certain political spectrum as a de facto law, which is not always the case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005590
He's gonna get clapped by the mods once they see it is a VTuber thread.

>>1005616
Pretty sure she just understands what validates her way of life, which is understandable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1004943
Wouldn't this apply to human structures? That civilization as we know it is the result of some kind of actual acting on a potential?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005721
So basically what you're saying is that we need to divide society into two castes, peasants, who work, and aristocrats, who are rulers and intellectuals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005790
I don't want to divide anyone wtf???

I just said that inserting political bias into philosophies just confuses people to think said philosophy is with their political affiliation.

[Anonymous No.]

Somebody akasupa gura and tell her read Nietzsche. Tell her to start with Birth of tragedy and go into Beyond Good and Evil after that. Followed up by thus spoke zarathustra. She'd love Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.]

>>994133
An example, have you ever troubled yourself with problems out of your reach or just things that haven't gone well for you? Well don't, they don't mean shit anyway and it's not like you can do anything about it anymore, boom you're now stress free (ignore the part where the issue probably has bad repercussions in the future).

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005887
We don't want to break shark loli, she is already broken enough, no need to push it when she does it herself at her own pace.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005887
>reading neetch before schoppy
lol

Actually she just shouldn't read Nietzsche, he's shit, make her read Kant and Schopenhauer instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>993426
If people really took the attitude "nothing matters so I will do what is best for me" rather than "nothing matters so I'll fap and gorge into a fat ass and be lonely" I don't think anyone would object

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005721
We've reached the point in society where basic facts are considered political because "the other side" doesn't like them or it's destructive to their position(ex: anthropogenic climate change). It's a bit impossible to cater to those people while also remaining factual as it'd be a disservice to those who actually want to be educated when science is being censored by politics in the name of being "neutral".

So while I agree that you shouldn't frame issues as inherently political when they're purely factual, it's too late for that. Society has already decided that everything is going to be political. There's always gonna be someone who tries to muddy the waters of what constitutes "truth" by presenting baseless alternative facts and emotional appeals for the sake of protecting their political position.

The best we can do is at least be truthful and not double-down when our politics doesn't align with reality. You're not gonna convince those reactionary people but at least admitting your position is subject to change if the facts change encourages better discourse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005790
Not him but I think people in general and laymen in particular should stop spreading their claptrap every chance they get. Look at this thread. Look at the internet as a whole. Look at TV. Look at face to face discourse. It's pure and utter mental diarrhea.
I wanna live in a culture where people would call the white coats to take you to the funny farm if you started assaulting somebody with your half-baked opinions. Such behavior should be seen in public as no different as taking a public dump.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005773
Anon, human civilization is based on iniciative and action, if we feel like doing or needing something, then we search for it or do it, or do things for it.

This can apply to anything, from lack of spiritualism creating religion to search for answers of phenoma eventually rolling into science and its branches, it's all thought, decision, action and consequences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1005988
This.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1003079
>which in all honestly, means nothing too, it was supposed to happen anyways, just living makes it easier to cope with.
Fuck off with that shit, yes people are supposed to die eventually but that doesn't mean Humans can't feel bad about people dying just because "it was gonna happen at some point" that is an absolutely retarded mindset, Human death and life mean something and this is exactly the type of reason as to why nihilism is seen as a philosophy for the doomers and the pretentious, and the rest of the message is the same thing "do whatever you want nothing matters anyway" is an absolutely retarded and lazy mindset

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006145
Not him, but I think it's actually stronger as an argument for agnosticism than for Christianity, simply because of the way he defines "God".

[Anonymous No.]

>>993836
>nihilistic character is actually a massive pussy
It was good in the Killing Joke and it was good here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006095
First world society*

Reminder that other non-power countries are incorporating stuff that they see works with varying degress of success and failure.

For some reasons, first world anons believe their countries taking certain matter of action inmediately changes the entire world, which is half way true but never on the level anyone expects.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006095
Facts are your friends when you have a clear view of the picture. Facts become meaningless as soon as somebody else frames the picture for you.
Most manipulative propaganda these days does not require lies, but simply frames issues in such a way that it appears that the facts are on your side.
Sure some half-truths, rhetoric and appeals to authority always help your manipulative cause as well, but framing is your ultimate weapon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006123
Fuck that. Even a fool has the right to an opinion, and should have the right to express it. That doesn’t mean it should be endorsed, or validated, but the alternative is even worse. You’re opinion doesn’t make you right, just because it’s yours, or however passionate you might feel about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006095
Haidt did a good lecture on people like you. So called "rationalists".

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006189
it's only lazy if you don't do anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006095
Facts have no banner, they are just true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1004620
>people can only "save" themselves
Nah fuck that, sure it ultimately comes to the person's choice but someone can be convinced to do something good by someone else or to try and improve themselves, and by that point it was required for an extra person to save them

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006193
It's not an argument for a Christian god nor does it argue that we do not know (that would be weird).
I think it's a pretty nice line of thought but we arrive at something we cannot even begin to imagine or describe. So I would say he argues for another plane of existence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006145
Of course, but what I'm saying is that the idea of civilization had to originate with someone. If you ask me, I believe it coincided with a sudden rise in the complexity of language. Not that one caused the other, but the two were most likely linked. It's interesting to view the story of Adam and Eve as a long-passed-down, far-beyond-coherently-translated story of the first ever humans to gain sentience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006448
This is true, but I was referring to the definitive choice, you can suggest people to do something but it is up to them to fully commit to it, nobody says you cannot help, but only the individual you are helping can get for the better by himself, even with massive help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006482
>It's interesting to view the story of Adam and Eve as a long-passed-down, far-beyond-coherently-translated story of the first ever humans to gain sentience
I wish more people would understand this, instead of just defaulting to "LMAO man and woman in a garden eating a fucking fruit stay retarded christfags"

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006095
Oh yeah and just to not sound like I'm being political myself it should be kinda obvious I oppose those who try to spin facts to try to push some means-tested and exploitative interpretation of the science that just conveniently profits some large multinational corporation.
Stuff like the hysteria around nuclear power or carbon taxes or paper straws. The kinda bullshit that was only thought up as a compromise between science and corporate/lobbyist greed. When they try to frame those positions as the "ethical" stance or say it's the only "reasonable compromise" it's just further damaging discourse and the layman's understanding of science.

>>1006321
Great point anon. Facts can be deliberately framed in a way that is misleading. You see this all the time on any large social media site, headlines will always be extremely sensationalized. But, at the very least you can combat that by providing more information if someone is actually interested in facts. If their position is set in stone from seeing a headline then they probably had that position beforehand and just wanted the validation.
Hell this is something that happens on this very board with rrats being formed out of tiny events that get built into elaborate lies. Ayame doesn't wear a diaper!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006387
It's lazy either way because you are renouncing responsibility of your choices under an excuse, either long term or short term you are pretty much trying to avoid all consequence because of not wanting to deal with them at all, which is indeed lazy

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006123
I agree but I assume you understand that this wouldean getting rid of vtubers, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006560
You realize it's the religions themselves that have continually insisted that everything in the bible is 100% factual and actually happened? This subject has come up a lot in all 3 abrahamic religions and they all fully believe the old testament 100% happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006482
If they needed outside help to gain the motivation or the right mindset to do it then they didn't do it for themselves Anon, doing something by yourselve is not limited to just the physical actions that you are doing

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006596
You can't win them all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006650
Enter nature. Riddle this, what parts of nature are known to change mindsets and make people do things they wouldn't normally do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006351
>MUH FREEDOHMS
Nah fuck that. Restraint, humility and discipline have taken a backseat to this fucking overblown sense of entitlement.
The biggest irony is that you people's passionate defense of free speech makes the common person voiceless since it allows for those with the biggest microphones to scream as loud as they want, thus drowning everybody out who isn't unisono. Free speech and democracy are the guarantor for always providing the most power to human's most primitive instincts. Nothing noble or worthwhile can ever arise in such an environment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006630
how many pairs of fedoras do you have?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006869
0
I'm a muslim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006630
>This subject has come up a lot in all 3 abrahamic religions and they all fully believe the old testament 100% happened
Honestly, it depends on who you talk to. To a Christian fundamentalist, yes, that's a core aspect of the religion. Other sects of Christianity and groups of individuals within the religion take a more multifacted approach. I come from a Catholic family and one of the things I talk about with my dad is his distrust of organized religion as inherently corrupted by man's desire to control, and scripture mainly comprising symbolic attempts to represent things beyond the realm of our understanding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006805
Then how did America do it for nearly 250 years?
This is purely rhetorical, I know exactly how it was done

[Anonymous No.]

“Some sharks just want to watch the world burn.”

[Anonymous No.]

My philosophy is masturbation and letting the universe take me wherever it wants to without hesitation. If that leads me to become a homicidal rapist, so be it :3

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006761
Natural disasters

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006941
I don't really understand being a skeptical catholic. Seems like every tenant of the faith is based on the infallibility of the religious opinions of the church. So obviously individual clergy can be corrupt or stupid but on questions of faith, no way. Jesus founded the church and the holy spirit guides it blah blah, you know the rest.
As far as I'm aware the catholic church keeps it vague, but stuff like exodus and 600,000 jews crossing the desert is believed to have actually happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>995071
>Implying Stirner was an anarchist

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006941
Yeah, I'm not saying all religious people are like that but the more organized a religion gets the more it tends to harshly excise the metaphysical philosophy and go all-in on dogma and anti-science stuff. Individuals tend to be more reasonable, in a vacuum at least, and can have a ton of varied beliefs for the same religion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>996750
Not due to some phony god

[Anonymous No.]

>>1006612
I don't remember the last time a Vtuber I watched talked about some controversial issue or made a half-baked argument.
In fact, I like watching them precisely because they are not trying to sell me a philosophy like your average Amerifat cartoon does. They mostly feel like I am watching a slice of life episode of an anime except that I am there in real time. They talk about food they like to eat, or some funny anecdote from their childhood, or what is happening in the game they're playing. All pretty harmless stuff.
I am not opposed to silly bullshit like "ah the pepeloni" but to garbage like penn&teller's bullshit.

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Gura’s roommate

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>>1006973
I can believe that.

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>>993426
She should lurks on /x/

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>>1007098
But... the pepeloni

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>>1007046
People tend to have different priorities of which parts of the bible are more factual than the others. Because a lot of it is contradictory it's more just a rorschach for people's internal morals and values and politics. Even within a political entity like the Catholic church a lot of it is just whatever position is most beneficial for the church. Reasonable people can still support the church while being self-aware that humans are fallible and every member of the church is just interpreting the words of god through their own filter.

Personally the idea of an omniscient/omnipotent god never sat right with me since it makes the concept of sin seem deterministic. How can you punish people for crimes when your god created you knowing you'd commit them? That kinda thing requires a pretty liberal interpretation to be compatible with the rest of the religion.

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Challenge for those who think nothing matters: Tell us what the world or life in general would have to be like in order for you to say that it matters. You must be able to do that because the meaning of a statement consists in its truth-condition. So if the statement "nothing matters" is supposed to be true, then there must also be a condition that makes it false.

Same challenge for those who think things do matter except reverse.

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>>1007457
Provable evidence that your actions in life are rewarded or punished in some sort of afterlife would be the only way to confirm that anything matters.

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Wow you succeeded, Gura hater. This thread made me not like Gura anymore. Gonna use Ollie as her replacement.
Bye.

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>>1007381
>Reasonable people can still support the church while being self-aware that humans are fallible and every member of the church is just interpreting the words of god through their own filter
Right, that's obviously the reasonable position. But the entire justification for the biblical canon being what it is and the various interpretations of is that the church is NEVER wrong about religious matters. Papal infallibility and whatnot. If you believe that the pope is just another human being like you making occasionally invalid interpretations of the bible that strikes me as not being catholic. Back in the day they would call you a heretic and excommunicate you from the church if you were public with that.

I was raised catholic so I understand that a lot of people are catholic basically for culture and tradition's sake and don't think about this shit. It's the people who claim that catholicism is an important part of their life but have what are, essentially, heretical beliefs, those are the people that confuse me.

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>>1007457
So if nothing matters, that logically means your thoughts on the subject doesn’t really matter as well. So nah, I ain’t taking your hypothetical test

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>>1003342
stfu tranny you are a woman and will never be a man, you may mutilate your breasts and stick a fake flesh dildo on your crotch, but you will never be a man

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>>1007538
So why does it only count when it happens in an afterlife? How about your actions are punished/rewarded in your normal life?

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>>1007544
Ollie is based, I really like her spunky attitude

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>>1007544
based pisschad

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>>1007626
LIKE A CHARGE RIFLE

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>>1007288
This.

Or she could give me a week to prepare and I will shatter her bleak view of the world with my freaky psionic abilities. I can also show her God using my penis.

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>>1005988
Schopenhauer is very readable but lol, Kant. I can't believe people expect non-scholars to read Kant's works directly.

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>>1005523
I people read Aquinas there would be way less atheists and anti-christians

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>>993426
>He actually believes this isn't shitposting by the shark
>He actually believes in nihilism

Help I'm cringing out of existence

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>>1005523
>>1007698
By definition these arent educated people youre dealing with, not to say im a genius or anything but these people just outright deny everything because it will fit their own desires and thoughts

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>>1007698
truth

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>>1007718
I hate to tell you this lad, but the shark isn’t smart enough to “shitpost”

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>>1007559
Well yeah, all the religions heavily punish lines of thinking that don't align with the leader's claims to power. But we live in a relatively free-thinking society now so being called a heretical Muslim doesn't bother me. My views are just as valid as those of the most popular Imam because it's all unprovable and built on faith, God doesn't choose prophets anymore to spread his words, we're all just flawed humans.
Of course this kinda differs with Catholics because as far as I know they believe the Pope is personally chosen by God and not just a random human but their actual process for selecting a Pope disproves it.
At the very least over the last year or so there've been a lot of Catholics on social media denouncing the Pope because he didn't like their favorite politician. So clearly they don't respect him as being anointed by God if a random human is a higher priority in their lives.
So again it's just political, people would have no problem rejecting the Pope's position on a 2000 year old book when they have no problem rejecting his views on contraception or homosexuality or pretty much any other issue that doesn't align with their values.

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>hurr durr read some literal who Catholic
Don't you have some "virgin" to whore-ship?

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>>1007698
I don't think atheism is a super reasoned out choice by most people. It's just kind of the inevitable result of the local church losing its social, intellectual, and artistic function. The masses of both religion and atheism are largely unthinking. In America it's actually more of an active choice, not usually done with good reasoning, but in most of the country the culture and politics are dominated by religion so you actually have to confront those ideas if you're going to do differently.

This is all to say, the sort of person who looks for arguments and really introspects on why he believes what he believes is the sort of person who would bother to read Aquinas. Which is a fairly rare sort of person. Most people are not compelled by arguments to go in either direction but are largely the result of culture and social pressure. I doubt even teaching Aquinas in school would result in vastly more religious people in a place like Sweden for example, where religion on the ground floor is straight up irrelevant.

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>>1007698
I used to be an edgy teenager. I read Richard Bawwkin's God Delusion and kept annoying my parents and friends with muh atheism. I listened to hours of atheist experience, bought all the books from the "four horsemen" and said Nietzsche was my famous philosopher despite not having read a single book from him, only knowing that "God is dead" quote. Sometimes I cannot sleep because of the extreme cringe I feel when I think about what kind of insufferable cunt I used to be.

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>>1007927
this is normal teenage stuff. don't beat yourself up about it. most people with a modicum of self-awareness give themselves facial pain from cringe when they think about their high school affectations.

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>>1006930
ok degenerate kaffir traitor

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>>1007067
>Implying Stirner was real and not a fake penpal to shit on marx

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Religion in and of itself isn’t a bad thing, it’s theology that’s the actual problem. Theology loves to force it’s own agenda, and goals, onto beliefs that never intended that universal view to begin with

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>>1008118
underage detected

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>>998627
>theism makes sense
how?

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>>1008049
The way modern Muslims worship the House of Saud and their corrupt Imams pushing regional politics as religion is itself heretical.
Sorry I follow the teachings of the prophet not some rich oil prince.

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>>1008118
Theology is basically control politics with spiritualism as their funding principle.

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Obviously Gura is a goddess heathen, why else would she draw something like this?

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>>1008176
When you grow up in a patriarchal religious society where your parents and entire community heavily punish and ostracize free thinking, theism makes sense as a way to fit in. At some point it seeps into your brain and takes over all critical thinking because wrongthink would threaten your position in the community. You can't reason with these people, they're victims of brainwashing.

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>>1008184
something something you eat pork and sex the men you kaffir hang yourselve and maybe wings in spanish will forgive you

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>>1008115
Stirner was Engels

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>>993736
Nihilism is literally one of the easiest and simplest ideas to grasp

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>>1008176
See this>>1004943

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>>1008484
>>1004943
This is just simulation theory for christfags. It's not incompatible with Atheism. The Matrix for example works under the same thought process while not requiring any gods.

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>>1008367
It's also the hardest one to accept.

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>>1008578
The idea that an infinite chain can't exist doesn't seem to be justified.

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>>1008367
how come half of the fags in here fail to do so then

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>>1008587
Only for normies who avoid internal dialogue at all costs. People who regularly practice introspection have long discovered and made peace with it.

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>>1008660
First mover was cutting edge stuff back in 1200 AD but these days we know that before the beginning of the universe there was no space-time. Laws of cause and effect don't apply.

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>>1008660
Simulation theory justifies an infinite chain by having an entity outside the chain that exists in its own chain and cannot be interacted with by those below them in the hierarchy.
From our point of view the chain is fueled by some omnipotent force that just willed things into existence, while from their point of view it's just part of a greater chain.
You could argue about whether their chain is also subject to some omnipotent force, but from our perspective we have no idea. Their reality could be entirely cyclical and just have always been. A couple of the popular theories on the origin of our own universe are cyclical and predict the universe will revert back to its pre-big bang phase once it reaches its "end" only to start up again. None of this requires a god. Not saying those theories are factual but they're possible alternatives to a first mover.

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>>1008919
To be fair anything we can't prove RN is probably bullshit, heck, the theory of the beginning of the universe is that it fucking exploded.

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>>1007910
I agree.
>>1008919
You would only need to make the question of how that infinite chain came to be, and why is that way to see how non-sensical that theory is. Aquinas's Five Ways on the other hand follows a simple logic

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>>1009374
True, not the guy you are responding to but true.

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>>1009374
Why would a cyclical chain require a first mover? If it's just the natural state of the universe to expand and contract infinitely then wouldn't it have always been that way? It's not like spacetime are separate entities. Everything that comprises time is part of the cycle, and mass converting to energy(and back) is just the natural flow of time.

The reason Aquinas is characterized as christfag simulation theory is because the arguments all only make sense if you think of the universe as a computer program with parameters set by some nerd in an office. Something that is finely-tuned to facilitate life or where the chain must be created by something so powerful that it exists outside of the chain. However if you write a script and execute it then you'd be the first mover for that universe, even if you don't know how your own universe came to be. Even as the creator of a simulated universe you can never know how your own universe came to be, only apply your own interpretation of reality into your child universe. So the idea that it requires some omniscient god to create the universe isn't true.

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>>1008277
Dismissing different ideas as brainwashing is already a step in the wrong direction

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>>1008587
>>1008813
I Can accept Nihilism as a philosophy that exists, but i can also accept that as a completely dumbfuck retarded philosophy in every one of it's ways i can choose to not take it into consideration for life because it is not really worth it, and pretentious nihilists don't help at all to do it's image some good

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>>1010849
Is the existence of higher dimension / uncaused causes with behavior outside the bounds of human understanding logically compatible with hardline, God(s) do(es) not exist and we can prove it atheism, though? I'm not a philosopher or a physicist, but I have yet to hear a convincing logical argument for anything but agnosticism.

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>>1011452
Atheism is just the rejection of something we have no evidence for. It's not a hardline theology, just basic reasoning that something without evidence that it exists, that cannot ever be proven to exist, might as well not exist. If evidence came out that there is in fact a God I kinda doubt most Atheists would continue to reject it. Agnosticism is entertaining the idea when there's no evidence that it should be entertained. It's not necessarily more faith-based than Atheism but it sure feels that way.
Besides calling yourself an Agnostic or Atheist are the same thing to religious people, you're still a heretic.

Personally I am open-minded to the idea of a god but will continue to antagonize such an entity because I don't respect authority and have nothing to lose unless such a god is vindictive, in which case fuck them.

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>>1010849
>Why would a cyclical chain require a first mover?
Because that motion happens on the space-time. Space-time are measurable therefore those motion can't happen infinitely. The sequence of motions that happens in a finite space-time must be finite themselves. And the Universe is finite because it is material. Matter is measurable, therefore the Universe is finite.
In summary the sequence of motions can't be infinite because they happen in a finite universe

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>>1013049
This is all completely nonsense anon. At least learn physics first before dabbling into metaphysics.

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>>1013332
Fuck physics and metaphysics

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>>993426
OP, youre sounding like a major faggot with this post

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>>996721
>However, in human affairs, ethics and politics there is no such progress

Anon, have you ever read history?
Slavery, women being able to vote, beating children, and children working in factories.
Democracy (even if representative) versus rule by a king/serfdom.

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>>1007809
>the shark isn’t smart enough to “shitpost”
https://files.catbox.moe/hxbfko.mp4
This is the same girl that tears up singing 'Colors or the Wind' btw

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>>1015756
This is true.

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>>1011709
I can agree on that.

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>>1015756
>women being able to vote
This is not progress