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Now that the dust has settled, was her graduation a positive or a negative development for Hololive as a whole?

>> No.9926348
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>>9926285
I don't know I only watch Ina

>> No.9926349

>>9926285
Would have been better if she left earlier

>> No.9926352

>>9926285
It was a positive, she was a whore and a western subverter. Fuck Cocofags.

>> No.9926374

>>9926285
I will always love her and i’m glad hololive historian’s discord is still seething in this board because of her

>> No.9926392

>>9926285
Somewhere around negative, she brings money and she's important in pioneering branches, we would've gotten ES sooner but unlikely now since KR seems to show larger interest in Hololive.

>> No.9926401
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>>9926285
Positive without a doubt. The chinks basically leave Hololive all alone after she left. Everything is back to normal now.

>> No.9926430

>>9926401
No, the chinks targeted Matsuri after the doorknob situation

>> No.9926444

>>9926349
This

>> No.9926466

>>9926349
Hello nyugen

>> No.9926489

>9926430
Oh please, it was /pol/ and /qa/ tards as well as JP unicorns. You fuckers still aren't welcome here btw

>> No.9926514

>>9926489
Maybe initially but only chinks have the energy and persistence to keep her streams at the highest dislike ratio of all Hololive

>> No.9926522

She left and took her faggotry with her. Now she's a camwhore riding on the coattails of her Hololive days. Less chinks spamming in chats is always a good thing too.

>> No.9926554

>>9926430
That's a positive

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9926595

Personally I didn't watch her but I think her leaving was bad for the other Holos who were good friends with her. Perhaps if she were still around we wouldn't be getting all this gay lore stuff with the EN branches

>> No.9926656

>>9926595
I can imagine Coco making fun of it if her asacoco wasn't banned...

>> No.9926689

don't watch hololive anymore

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>>9926285
>graduated
>became a cam whore
Zhangs win again

>> No.9926819

>>9926796
I wish all camwhores were like Kson, this world would be a better place.

>> No.9926902

>>9926285
Positive, showed Cover their performers can leave their grip, do whatever the fuck they want, and still be successful.

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They won

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>>9927019
and she's gone

>> No.9927079

>>9926401
How delusional

>> No.9927097

>>9926352
>>9926349

Keep seething, hololive historian

>> No.9927118

>>9926401
> Chink just spam Among us collab

Retardchama.
Chinks never forgive anyone. They want and plan destroy Hololive all this time

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>>9926349
this

>> No.9927128

>>9926902
Have you seen the new vtuber model on matsuri’s roommate account, it actually looks nice

>> No.9927155

>>9926285
She got out at the right time. Once HoloEN appeared her niche of being the western middleman to Hololive disappeared. She was no longer the only westerner in Hololive and so the money would dry up because the people who watch her because she speaks English and understands western memes can just move to HoloEN for their fix.
From a practicality sense, she also left at her peak which is a rarity for people to understand when to bow out.

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>>9926349
>>9926352
>>9926401

>> No.9927176

Not surprised.
Playism have many Zhangs' game in steam. I have long regarded it as a Chinese company

>> No.9927200

>>9926285
Positive. She became a martyr of sorts, and her memory will stay strong. A sort of legendary figure. I personally never really liked her streams that much, but now that she's graduated into an idea, her impact is much stronger when you look back.

>> No.9927203

>>9926401
Do you even watch hololive?

>> No.9927219

>>9926285
LOVE COCO!!! HATE KSON!!!

>> No.9927379
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respected her until she antagonized antis and self destructed into irrelevance. Then she whined about creative differences only to reveal that she meant pandering even harder with her irl tits. Then there were all those misandrist rants from a chuba whose target demo is men. Then there was her constantly shitting on amerifats while not making an effort to improve her own manners.

Basically her problem is that she grew arrogant, ungrateful and spiteful. Coco was a wannabe shock jock who got too big too fast and flew too close to the sun. Now kson is seen as a total hack who really didn't understand how good she had it. The grass is always greener, am I right?

Now she's just a minor eceleb who's not talented enough to truly become great, yet too big as a Hololive has-been to lower herself to collabing with other literal who indies. In other words, Coco effectively exiled herself to camwhore purgatory instead of finding a way to make things work. For all her complaints about shitty Americans, it turned out she was the shittiest American all along. Go figure.

>> No.9927404

>>9927379
skeleton

>> No.9927461

>>9926430
good

>> No.9927469

>>9926285
Negative for corporate chuubing in general, less entertainment value in general if the girls are constantly on eggshells hoping they don't offend the gatekeepers of a particular market and fully under the assumption that the corp owns them.

>> No.9927511

>>9927404
anything else?
wanna post that copypasta that never works?

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>>9927469
the best thing about Hololive is that they have rules and strict guidelines. Without them Hololive would be Nijisanji, but even worse

>> No.9927543

>>9927518
I understand and agree that they should have some rules and enforce them but seemingly more often than not they shoot down good ideas.

>> No.9927544

>>9926430
good
matuli deserves it for being a lying whore

>> No.9927548

>>9927518
>the best thing about Hololive is that they have rules and strict guidelines.
This

>> No.9927564

>>9927543
what do you mean by great ideas? according to me even whole meme review thing wasn't a great idea and they let it happen anyway

>> No.9927588

>>9926401
No they aren’t. Fubuki still gets spammed, people who collab with her get spammed too.

>> No.9927603

42posts 25posters

How may people are samefagging

>> No.9927621

>>9927518
What you really mean is that without a corporation, only a few of the chuubas ever would've become well-known because most of them weren't intelligent enough to build and maintain a social media presence on their own.

>> No.9927626

Her departure for Hololive was definitely a negative as it effects the most important thing, their bottom line. I'd say this opens up another can of worms where she effectively took most of her viewers with her, at least in the sense that Holo isn't getting a cut from her supers anymore, it's literally just a split between her and youtube now.
I wouldn't be surprised if Hololive tries to force new members into not having side accounts as they wouldn't want their talents double dipping in case they were to think of leaving due to monetary reasons.
Honestly, Coco played it super smoothly. Built up a massive audience, while at the same time building her second account then switching over at her peak. The fact that she still maintains 2000+ viewer peaks per stream is incredible and would never happen if she started as an indie.
Sasuga, true American businesswoman.

>> No.9927627

>>9927588
Fubuki deserves it for defending that fucking hack

>> No.9927635

>>9927627

>> No.9927679

>9927603
I can never tell if the posts like this are bait or genuine retards not understanding what a discussion is.

>> No.9927716

>>9927679

>9927603
This is not reddit, anon

>> No.9927742

>9927716
Then why are you here tourist?

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>>9927627
Anonymous 09/17/21(Fri)05:28:38 No.9927679>>9927716
>9927603
I can never tell if the posts like this are bait or genuine retards not understanding what a discussion is.
Anonymous 09/17/21(Fri)05:31:07 No.9927716
>>9927679

>9927603
This is not reddit, anon
Anonymous 09/17/21(Fri)05:33:39 No.9927742
>9927716
Then why are you here tourist?

>> No.9927798

>9927758
This is what not getting (You)s does to a motherfucker.

>> No.9927841

>>9926489
>>9927679
>>9927742
>>9927798

You are the most stupid person in this board.

>> No.9927862 [DELETED] 

>>9927798
Is this your first time using 4chan, are you actually a retard?

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>9927841
no u

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>>9927758
>>9927798
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>>9927627 #
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>9927603
I can never tell if the posts like this are bait or genuine retards not understanding what a discussion is.
Anonymous 09/17/21(Fri)05:31:07 No.9927716
>>9927679 #

>9927603
This is not reddit, anon
Anonymous 09/17/21(Fri)05:33:39 No.9927742
>9927716
Then why are you here tourist?
...Anonymous
09/17/21(Fri)05:37:38 No.9927798
>9927758
This is what not getting (You)s does to a motherfucker.
@9927758
Hey

>> No.9927897

>>9926285
Obviously negative for Holo but she did her best to minimize it by making it a fun optimistic sendoff that made both sides look good. Turning a graduation into a big celebration of their work and accomplishments is not something many can do.
When it comes to her personally she's noticeably happier now than she had been for a good while. I do miss Kanacoco though.

>> No.9927898

>9927862
>9927873
please be nice to me

>> No.9927903

>>9927873
how do i edit my post

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>> No.9927923

@9927862 please stop

>> No.9927927

@9927868

Based

>> No.9927931

>9927841
why are you so mad tho

>> No.9927932

at times she acted like vshoujo like pussy shaving stream[/spiller]
which I wasn't a fan

>> No.9927938

>>9927910
Why'd Kson get removed?

>> No.9927962

of course a coco thread would be utter shit

>> No.9927985

>9927758
>9927873
>9927841
Autism

>> No.9927984

>..Anonymous
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Now that the dust has settled, was her graduation a positive or a negative development for Hololive as a whole?
>9927962
stop being an ass

>> No.9927987

>>9927938
Chinks

>> No.9928015

>>9927962
It was going well enough until some fag started numberfagging the IP count

>> No.9928028

I can't believe 9927985 keeps falling for my low effort bait

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>>9926285
Overall I would say it was a negative development, but in reality it's more complicated than that.

Early 2020 Coco was a powerful force of unity for hololive.
Asacoco 1.0 was exactly what hololive needed : a genuinely funny show that brings the girls together, increases cohesion, and brings hololive news to fans in an easily digestible 20 minute format.
Coco greatly built on and expanded the hololive brand, helped spread the image of hololive as a warm family instead of just individual performers, and even acted a bit like a therapist for some girls.
HoloMyth stated several times that without her HoloEN may have never even existed, and she was a great source of inspiration for them.
Without her hololive would not be what it is today.

However, the very personality that made her so popular was also her downfall.
She was obsessed with being creatively uncouth, pushing the line, exploring boundaries of what is acceptable content, which led her to be too way too relaxed with controversial content.
When screening the contents of asacoco that was sent to her by her editors, she allowed some stuff to go through that rubbed the wrong people the wrong way in management (remember Kanata hanging cm yab?)
Asacoco 2.0 and 3.0 were basically neutered versions of 1.0
Chinese rage was simply the nail in the coffin, as it gave management the perfect excuse to neuter Coco once and for all.

After that Coco then became increasingly stressed out, sad, bitter, and even jealous (as she admitted herself in a zatsudan after her graduation announcement).
When she realized that she was turning into a shadow of her old self she decided to put an end to it rather than drag it on for the sake of money (she later revealed in a member post that she could have stayed for money but refused).
What she failed to realize is that the adult hololive, the erolive era, was basically over when youtube started demonetizing holo channels, because management didn't like their income being threatened at all.
She failed to adapt to family-friendly hololive, which is why she cited "creative differences" as the major reason for her departure.

Personally I don't like Kson at all, especially after Coco's graduation.
I know it's not her fault, but I feel like her positivity, which was crucial to making her vulgarity likable, is kind of gone.
She was happy vulgar, now she's bitter vulgar and it makes all the difference. It's basically the difference between someone like Marine (playful) and Veibae (thot).
People can smell bitterness and misandry, even faint. Regardless, I wish her well and I hope she can find happiness where she is now.

>> No.9928060

>>9927938
Because Playism has a bilibili account

>> No.9928061

what the flying fuck is with all the retards in this thread who don't know how to use an imageboard? fucking newfags ruining everything

>> No.9928068

@ number 9928028

You are falling for my bait

>> No.9928096

poster number 9928061
is a >fucking retard

>> No.9928103

>9928061
I don't want to give free (You)s to faggots

>> No.9928157

stop shitting up the board you flying fuck.

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>9928157
YOU stop shitting up the board you can't even use the arrows right. Fucking retard

>> No.9928219

>>9927379
Don’t use my oshi for your schizoposting, retard.

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>there are people here falling for this obvious low effort bait
Who's the newfag now, newfagchama?

>> No.9928305

>>9927379
>>9927544
>>9927564
>>9927627
Cringe

>> No.9928332

we understand it is dinner time in your province, and you have nothing better to do, but fuck off.

>>9928219
Sad to see Noel used for such things. You have a good oshi.

>> No.9928349

>>9928049
Wtf is this a good post on this shitty board? Very accurate. I don't like kson either, I gave her a chance but just couldn't do it.

>> No.9928381

>9928349
Why did you reply to yourself?

>> No.9928407

>>9928049
/thread

>> No.9928425

>9928407
Cringe

>> No.9928433
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>>9927379
Wow, your literally wrote an essay to make all people know that you are a delusional faggot, good work

>> No.9928457

>9928433
I'm going to kick your fucking ass

>> No.9928463

>>9928049
Man, your post started well but that "bitterness and misandry" is clearly just you projecting. If anything she's happier than before. She acts the same as she did as Coco, maybe you're just getting a different impression because her current model is so so shit and inexpressive.

>> No.9928477

>9928457
You can try anytime you want

>> No.9928496

>>9928463
Anyone who watched her Nier streams knows she's extremely happy right now. she's having fun.

>> No.9928527

>>9928496
yeah, but today wasn't a good day

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9928543

>all this derailment by China's finest
Go away, emperor does not need you here

>> No.9928573

>>9928049
Saved, will copy paste in the future

>> No.9928615

>9928049
>I feel like her positivity ... is kind of gone.
>People can smell bitterness and misandry, even faint
Sorry anon but I think you may be emotionally retarded.

>> No.9928626

>>9928049
This entire post is absolutely retarded in so many ways.

>> No.9928652

>96 replies
>34 posters
Take your meds shizos

>> No.9928659

>>9928626
Give us one example of how it's retarded. Oh wait you're a clipwatcher you have no clue. Okay.

>> No.9928685

>>9928652
I. ant sleep

>> No.9928701

>>9928496
She's remaining tight-lipped but she always sounds so excited when she mentions working on her future plans. I understand if one didn't like her in the first place but the beginning of that post came off as someone who actually "got" Coco so it's weird to write her off so quickly when she keeps saying she's in a preparation period and hasn't even debuted yet.

>> No.9928787

>>9926285
It was a positive. Like it or not.
There is a lot more interaction between branches since she left. I don't know what was hold it all back before but Coco was definitely involved somehow.

>> No.9928820

>>9928527
why?

>> No.9928862

>>9928701
It is okay to prepare for the future and innovate in some way. Honestly that is how growth works in an industry. That does not invalidate previous works or efforts. Unbranded I feel she can really succeed. soon she'll be a rare member of the double 1M club. As long as she's happy that's the most important part.

>> No.9928941

>>9928463
>>9928496
>>9928615
>>9928701
I admit I was a bit harsh at the end, I still respect her for her past work and if she's happy then I'm happy for her, I'm not an anti.
I'll freely admit I stopped watching kson after a while because I didn't enjoy her content.
Maybe it's the avatar, maybe it's me being autistic, but in the end I'd be super happy to be proven wrong about the misandry/bitter feeling that I got from her.
I really hope her "preparation period" will soon be over and that her project will be a success, but I have my doubts.
Basically I just miss old Coco, that's all there is to it.

>> No.9928950

>>9928701
i have a dreaded feeling the cancellation of her Playsim collab means she's effectively blacklisted by the companies who don't want to anger the chinks. i hope she doesn't get disheartened by that and gets a better offer in the future.

>> No.9928978

>>9928820
https://twitter.com/playismJP/status/1438703990078722050

>> No.9928995

>>9928950
Accidentally redpilling the masses on how insufferable Chinese insects are is probably the greatest thing Coco has ever achieved

>> No.9929036

>>9928701
the thing is, all that plans might be over like that playism game show hosting

>> No.9929039

>>9926401
>OHHH LET ME KNEEL TO CHINK SAMA

>> No.9929050

Well, apparently it motivated Haachama to put copyrighted memes on her channel, Marine to push for her really bold new outfit, and EN to mog Cover in the 3D race, to name a few.

>> No.9929067

>>9928941
If you're too retarded to realize that she's happier now than she's been in almost a year then there is no hope for you to be "proven wrong".
>>9928950
The issue is that it's on Bilibili. She won't be involved with anyone or any company who streams there.

>> No.9929121

Hololive died the day they bullied Coco away and the day she officially left.
All of their promises of a big family were lies, and if you had any doubts just watch the reaction of her "friends" during her graduation and how little they cared about her.
It's nothing else than a job for them and they were never friends.
The moment the lie was revealed it became impossible to support Hololive.

Yes it's becoming reduced to the lowest common denominator for the masses and made into something family friendly.
That just means that the vtubers lost their creative freedom and are following the orders from management.
What made Hololive fun was the freedom the vtubers had.
The less freedom they have and the less interesting they become.

Nobody wants a drone following management orders; afraid of standing out.
They want a real human being with their emotions and who can make mistakes.
People relate to those mistakes more than to the positive side they are now forced to display to keep being family friendly.

>> No.9929125

>>9928941
Nah, fuck off, you can’t just make shit up and then apologize, it’s ok to not enjoy her content but making stuff up proves you never posted in good faith in the first place.
You probably haven’t watched a single one if her streams, nobody who watches her could ever think she’s bitter.
Your veibae mention is the key point, you’re a mentally ill baiter, seek help and stop wasting your life writing long posts larping as someone you aren’t.

>> No.9929154

>>9929121
Why are you posting like this is some Chinese newsletter? Fuck off.

>> No.9929157

>>9928049
actually based and factpilled

>> No.9929172

>>9929121
>They want a real human being with their emotions and who can make mistakes.
>People relate to those mistakes more than to the positive side they are now forced to display to keep being family friendly.
People can be real human beans without breaking rules

>> No.9929181

>>9929157
Stop samefagging

>> No.9929192

>gets dropped by agency
>Immediately starts going on about how big a dyke she is and how much she loves munching carpet on her stream.
women were a mistake, the agencies are needed to keep them in check.

>> No.9929208

>>9928978
i'm not weeb wnough to understand, not a coco fan or a mega weeb

>> No.9929217

>>9929192
They do that in agencies regardless, if anything Hololive encourages lesbianism

>> No.9929219

Only a single new IP in the last hour. 草。 fucking shizos.

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>>9929121
Feels good to only watch my oshi and not care about the others

>> No.9929234

>9929192
>EOP is angry about a Japanese joke from 2 months ago

>> No.9929246

>>9929172
Then they are keeping the rules constantly in mind which creates a distortion between their reality and what they are allowed to display.
Instead of doing what they want they constantly first filter it though their rules, which removes the natural feeling of their interactions.

>> No.9929254

>>9929067
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoYhtseu5go
the stream will happen at Youtube too. they could have just not air it on bilibili, but yeah chink money matters more for them.

>> No.9929265

>>9929228
thought she was gonna retire after the Apex incident

>> No.9929277

>>9929228
based as fuck.

>> No.9929289

>>9928626
At least get a new fucking IP

>> No.9929310

>>9929208
just read the comments
>got invited to host game show
>chinks seethe
>got deleted
>playism backpedalling and doing naked dogeza

>> No.9929312

>>9926285
CHANG CHANG CHANG CHANG CHANG
DON'T EVER ENTERTIN THE THOUGHT THAT COCO WAS ANYTHING ELSE THAN PERFECT
CHANG CHANG CHANG CHANG CHANG

>> No.9929348

>>9929289
Yes, you should get a new IP, your samefagging is pathetic

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>>9929265
yeah that was rough but I'm glad she got over it, and her recent collab with shion really shows she is better now

>> No.9929410

>>9928995
Even without the Taiwan yab there were so many incidents in the weeb sphere that have exposed Chinese bugmen as a bunch of cunts.

>> No.9929415

>>9929376
>>9929265
QRD?

>> No.9929479

>>9929121
That’s why people should actually watch hololive before talking, or you will look like a delusional retard.

>> No.9929520

>>9928941
Where on earth did you even get misandry from though? The "I don't need dicks in my life", referring to not wanting random people to send her dick pics?

>> No.9929531

>>9929479
anon overdramatizing but he is not wrong, at least in some aspects. for me the magic is gone, all i see are puppets on strings handled by corporate incentives.

>> No.9929626

everyone forgot about her a week after. I wonder who's retirement will actually leave a long lasting impact on the brand. maybe a few leaving at the same time.

>> No.9929644

>>9929415
It was a combination of changs thinking she was allied with zhangs, zhangs complaining about her neutral position instead of trying to take over, and Apex complaining about something she said about a streamer that created the perfect storm in her channel, she was already burn out after the failed marathon and antis' hate was affecting her (said by herself) so she had to take a break, after her return haters only got increased due to her saying about the hate as the reason on her break that I said before, she managed to resist until the haters decreased finally

>> No.9929665

>>9929626
But just in the last weeks she was mentioned by Suisei, Watame, Noel, Rushia and Kanata
Do you actually watch streams?

>> No.9929676

>>9929626
Fubuki without a doubt

>> No.9929702

>>9929626
it was a miracle and not without alot of hard work from everyone's part, that the entire culture wasn't BTFO.

>> No.9929713

>>9929531
>puppets on strings handled by corporate incentives
delusional

>> No.9929722

Gura will never play Ark survival..... i want gura to play that game.... she promised....

>> No.9929745

>>9929665
yeah exactly my point. nothing really changed. they still treat her like some friend in the background while she's still not with the company. besides, she'll be back with Hololive sooner or later.

>> No.9929771

>>9929745
>yeah exactly my point.
No? you said they forgot about her, that wasn't your point at all.

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>>9929745
>she'll be back with Hololive sooner or later

>> No.9929814

at the end of the day imo it didnt matter or make a difference really, so i cant really say if its worse or better.

>> No.9929890

>>9929067
>If you're too retarded to realize that she's happier now
When pain stops I feel relief, not happiness.
However feelings change quickly so maybe now she's genuinely happy and I hope so for her sake and for the sake of her "project".

>>9929125
>You probably haven’t watched a single one if her streams
The stream about the twitter DMs felt bitter to me, why even talk about this shit, and the showing ass/tits streams feel really weird when she was the one saying "there are no sluts in hololive".
Some of her rants are weird. The meme streams are basically reddit shitpost review 2.0 which itself was a shitty replacement for asacoco.
How am I supposed to like this as much as old Coco ? Old Coco was fucking awesome. This feels meh. But if you're right about her feelings then I'm glad she's happy at least.
>Your veibae mention is the key point, you’re a mentally ill baiter
I'm not, it's just that this is literally the only place where I can freely discuss this stuff, and I suspect I'm not the only one feeling like this.

>> No.9929934

>>9929790
you must lack any sort of foresight to not see this happening.

>> No.9929955

>>9929745
She didn't WANT her departure to be a blow to the company and she herself actively did damage control to avoid it, like with that Yagoo interview. Things would've been very different if her graduation was handled the way most vtuber graduations are.

>> No.9929964

>>9929722
Coco making her promise to play "her" game on graduation really shows how narcisisstic she is

>> No.9929993

>>9929934
Considering she is not failing in her roommate channel I don't think she has reasons to go back to Hololive

>> No.9930037

>>9929934
why the fuck would she go back if she left

>> No.9930039

>>9929644
Aqua has been through a lot, I only want the best for her.. ;m;

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>>9926285
The Jesus of Hololive. Hated for speaking the truth, betrayed by everybody (including YAGOOs Pilate and Omega), and in the end she died to implement the antispam system, thus permabanning the Insectoid menace from the vtubing world. And yet she resurrected from the dead. Coco is a hero who proved we no longer have to depend to the Orwellian hivemind known as China.

>> No.9930299

>>9930207
I hope you are aware that she isn't some political figure espousing your views.

>> No.9930305

This thread is why I barely visit this shithole of a board.

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>>9929890
>the showing ass/tits streams feel really weird when she was the one saying "there are no sluts in hololive".
Sluts are people who engage in promiscuity. Kson is a voluntary femcel. Those are polar opposites. Also Coco has always shown her tits and ass.

>> No.9930354

>>9926285

Personally i think it was positive. But i never liked her for being vshojo light anyway.
For the company id say it was bad and could have spelled ruin. It was handled better than expected.
Yes, she was mistreated. Yes, cover management failed her. But coco also failed her genmates and other chubas.
She should have taken the abuse up th ass so that her colleques can continue to prosper. And its not like she wasnt getting paid handsomely.
But alas shes a jap with the mind of a western twitter ghot and vould not be arsed to commit to the sacrifices that were necessary. Instead shes now doibg erotic cosplay streams. Coco never cared about he company. Only about herself.

>> No.9930591

>>9930299
And yet she was an Instrumentality to wean ourselves off the Insectoid menance.

>>9930354
She took all of the abuse up her ass. When Cover modded zhangs on her channel, banning her most loyal tatsunokos, she just cried in Kanata's arms and manually restored her channel. When it was clear that the zhangs were escalating their war by harassing Fubuki and Aqua, it became one of the major motives for her to leave once and for all. Not just for herself, but for the safety of her friends Hololive.

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Negative. Her influence already kind of fucked up holomeme then she fucked off back to the stuff she's doing now. Cover also permanently damaged themselves like retards for no reason. So she shat the bed then left custodial staff to clean it up (possibly without extra compensation).

>> No.9930862

Positive.

She the company money, sponsorships and permissions. They couldn't remove her without a backlash but she didn't really give them anything in return for all that trouble.

>> No.9931038

>>9930862
Eigo muzukashi...

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>>9930333
>Also Coco has always shown her tits and ass.
In 2D only, and it was more for comedic effect than titillation with that goofy model

>> No.9931233

>>9927379
based, cocofag redditors are braindead though so any negative commentary just shuts them down, permanently switching into the "ur an anti!!!/OK Zhang!!!" mode.
Don't expect actual replies or discussions.

>> No.9931267

>>9929246
What the fuck are you talking about?
There are still YouTube guidelines that she has to follow you retard.
Aren't those also "distort" your experience?

>> No.9931338

>>9929228
Based. Being a DD is pure suffering there are just way too many holos I want to watch

>> No.9931402

>>9927379
>He posted it again

>> No.9931593

>>9930333
>femcel
Why do retards who simp for ethots always use this word like a shield every time someone calls out their whore of an oshi?
Vshojo faggots especially love to use it for some reason.

>> No.9931729

>>9931094
She's enticing viewers with sexual stimulation, in 2D or 3D it makes no difference.

>> No.9932084

>>9929890
Dude, she was a cosplayer long before she was even Coco. She likes making clothes by hand and doing makeup and all that jazz. The streams themselves aren't sexual at all and the ass shot everyone keeps posting about was just an accidental wardrobe malfunction. Meanwhile there's several people still in Holo right now who show their stuff off on purpose and make money doing it and you don't see anyone whining about them.

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>>9932084
>retards being retarded
anon, please, you should know better.

>> No.9932476

>>9926352
Living rent free in the bugmans mind.

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>>9932210
>No argument.

>> No.9932657

>>9927511
Don't need too if it's already in your mind

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>>9932084
>Dude, she was a cosplayer long before she was even Coco. She likes making clothes by hand and doing makeup and all that jazz.
I know, and I respect that, but it's just not my kind of content, I love vtubers not vloggers
>accidental wardrobe malfunction
Feels a bit convenient, but I think you may be right on that so I'm not going to argue that point
>Meanwhile there's several people still in Holo right now who show their stuff off on purpose and make money doing it and you don't see anyone whining about them.
Fair point, I guess coco is more scrutinized because she feels more western and also everyone expects great things from her.
And to be fair I'm not a huge fan of Noel's roommate content either but I like what she does in hololive.

Thank you all for the discussion, I guess I'll just reserve my final judgement on all this stuff for when kson launches her project (if she does).
There's just so much stuff to keep track of in this community it's insane.

>> No.9933506

>>9926285
I never liked coco always thought she was twitch thot level but I do have to admit she did 2 great things for hololive a) she pissed off the chinks and b) she graduated

>> No.9937596

She made tons of money out of it and every other member said fuck chinks so it was all wonderful either way

She helped raise awareness of how subhuman communists are and that's a great thing

>> No.9938480

>>9926401
don't lie to yourself, hololive will never be able to collab with anything related to china again because of chinks

>> No.9939691

>>9926285
Why do you have to remind me to coco i watch calli stream someone did a comment about coco calli was broken in tears damn

>> No.9939837

>>9939691
ESLchama...

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9939854

Now that the settlers are dusted....
were her massive fuckin' badonkers a positive or a negative development for my dick?

>> No.9939970

>>9939691
can't understand a word you're saying, but the emotion is there anon.

>> No.9940001

>>9939691
Same ESLkun...same

>> No.9940275

>>9926349
>>9926352
These two already said all there's need to be said

>> No.9940300

>>9929993
She's already set for life anyways, she gains a lot from being in hololive while being outside just grants her "freedom" even though she's not doing anything that she wasn't doing before, and today shows that she's still being hunted by chinks, leaving hololive didn't change that so why leave in the first place?

>> No.9940460

>>9940300
>she's not doing anything that she wasn't doing before
she hasn't debuted yet

>> No.9941900

>>9927379
/thread

>> No.9942237

>>9927379
>They hated him because he told them the truth
You see it happen from time to time with e-celebs. They amass a decent sized audience and it goes to their head, that they can get away with shitting on portions of their fans because "well you're just a few people, I have thousands of subscribers". They forget the lesson that got them where they are, every fan is irreplaceable. If you stop caring when people stop watching you, eventually nobody will watch you.

>> No.9942293

>>9926349
Based.

>>9926352
And the Redpill.

>> No.9942450

>>9926285
just reading the title i can already tell this is zhang bait

>> No.9942492

>>9927379
holy kek retards still think the cover nda about creative differences is real

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9942602

>>9926349
>Would have been better if she left earlier

>> No.9942913

>>9926285
Massive positive, she was washed up creatively and Cover and Coco both knew it. Cover offered her all the collabs she wanted so Coco wouldn't sic her retarded Taiwanese dogs that think she is Jesus on them. No she gets to coast forever on the retarded simps she's gathered, maybe show her ass if she wants to buy something nice that month and Cover gets to free their brand of that stupid bimbo

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>>9942913
>Massive positive, she was washed up creatively and Cover and Coco both knew it. Cover offered her all the collabs she wanted so Coco wouldn't sic her retarded Taiwanese dogs that think she is Jesus on them. No she gets to coast forever on the retarded simps she's gathered, maybe show her ass if she wants to buy something nice that month and Cover gets to free their brand of that stupid bimbo

>> No.9943158

>>9926285
negative /thread

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>> No.9943229

>>9943170
bukkake

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>>9926285
>was her graduation a positive
yes

>> No.9943301

>>9926285
Net negative. Her input mattered a lot to the company. They lost someone irreplaceable.

>> No.9943352

>>9926285
Neutral, hololive was already big enough when she left, so not much of a loss.

>> No.9943455

Like everything else, there's pros and cons.

Pros: Coco made Hololive a ton of money on her way out, and treated the thing as a giant happy celebration for the most part, she made hundreds of thousands of $$$ in superchats on graduation day, most of which goes into Cover's pockets

- She didn't tear Hololive apart on her way out, always a plus. She could have done a lot of damage to the company if she'd wanted

- She managed to persuade Haachama not to follow her out the door

Cons:
- regardless of what anyone "officially" says, Chinese pressure was a contributing factor to her leaving which continues to show Cover doesn't have their idols' backs in these situations. Coco's ability to do anything other than stream games was heavily restricted and her ability to collab with EN was restricted because of fear of "angering" the Chinese further

- Coco was one of Hololive's biggest cash machines and that is now gone

- Coco helped get English fans into Hololive and now that is gone. She was starting to make a push to get Spanish-speakers into Hololive, that is now all over.

- Coco leaving showed all the other Hololive idols that if they leave, they can take their fanbase with them. Coco's superchat income remains gigantic as Kson (slightly below Rushia, I think), and now she gets to keep all of it except for Youtube and taxes. Yeah, she's lost out on merchandising sales and music sales and such, but I have doubts as to how much she was making from that, especially after the Taiwan incident

Overall, I'd say Coco's retirement was a net positive for her and a net negative for Hololive. They've lost a big moneymaker, it hasn't gotten the Chinese off their backs, and their idols are all wondering "Am I next?"

Meanwhile Coco's raking in huge piles of cash as Kson and doesn't have to get the approval of a hostile and unfriendly management if she feels like doing something. She just can do it.

The big net negative for Coco is that she's lost some of the stuff that really kept the fans coming in like Meme review, KanaCoco, etc.

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>>9926285
>Now that the dust has settled
I really want /v/ to leave

>> No.9943551

>>9943455
>The big net negative for Coco is that she's lost some of the stuff that really kept the fans coming in like Meme review, KanaCoco, etc.
you forget her amazing L2D that will never never see the light of day anywhere ever again.

>> No.9943627

>>9926285
Positive, worst hololive member by a wide margin.

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>Positive, worst hololive member by a wide margin.

>> No.9943807

>>9926348
You must be bored out of your mind

>> No.9943962

9943659
9943138
9942602
is this a bot of some kind or is there someone that thinks he's trolling people with these posts?

>> No.9943983

>>9943455
>Meanwhile Coco's raking in huge piles of cash as Kson and doesn't have to get the approval of a hostile and unfriendly management if she feels like doing something. She just can do it.
She was literally kicked out of a collab a few hours ago.

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9944143

>is this a bot of some kind or is there someone that thinks he's trolling people with these posts?

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>>9926348
>I don't know I only watch Ina

>> No.9944312

>>9943659
Chinks won brother, it's time to let it go

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>>9944312
>t.

>> No.9944424

>>9927627
Look, Coco skirted the edge of controversy, but Fabuki doesn't deserve anything. kys

>> No.9944558

>>9944424
They both don’t deserve any of the hate.

>> No.9944684

>>9926285
As much as I dont like it, it's positive for her. Unlike some other big Hololivers (I can't imagine Pekora handling her autism), she can make it as independent

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>>9944684
Kson seems noticeably chiller than coco, I think cover corp puts too much pressure on talent

>> No.9945169

>>9943983

I saw. It's unfortunate but it doesn't really harm her core income, which is from Youtube memberships and superchats. It just makes it hard for her to collab with anyone.

>> No.9945276

>>9944356
> t. Taiwanese chink

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>>9945276
Remember Nanking? That was pretty funny

>> No.9945375

>>9926285
Negative. It helped damage people's views on Hololive's upper management, since it's clear they fucked up and didn't do enough to protect and support one of their top talents.

>> No.9945509

>>9930591
>When Cover modded zhangs on her channel
Yeah, I STILL don't understand how that fucking happened.

>> No.9945516

>>9945375

If anything, they cracked down on her and clearly blamed her for the incident. She couldn't take a piss without management approval after that, and multiple collabs and projects were shot down by Cover because they didn't want Coco "tainting" their brand or the brands of the other idols.

I think if she hadn't been such a huge cash cow for the company, she'd have been graduated days after the incident happened. That's why she was slow walked out instead of getting the boot.

>> No.9945550

>>9943455
>she's lost out on merchandising sales and music sales
Never made music, and today she confirmed she's working on releasing merch. It won't sell as much as before, of course, but still.

>> No.9945829

>>9945169
So just like her situation before then

>> No.9946105

>>9945829

It's significantly better, she's (probably) making more money and she doesn't have a management team that hates her. The Chinese aren't ever going to leave her alone, though. She will need to come up with ways to get around them.

>> No.9946160

>>9946105
That, and she doesn't have to self-censor.

>> No.9946343

>>9926285
Net positive for her and ethot simps. Net negative for Hololive and chuba fans. She's gone back to her roots while Hololive lost a controversial headliner who kept people talking about them.

Based on how Niggersanji keeps Selen on a loose leash, it's clear that one company has a distinct advantage over the other when it comes to managerial competence and workplace quality of life. Hololive is hard carried by its talents Yagoo, and relentless clippers, but nothing lasts forever.

>> No.9946390

>>9946343
>but nothing lasts forever.
I think the grudge Chinks have against her might outlast the heat death of the universe

>> No.9946420

>>9926285
Read it as
>for Hololive as a whore?

>> No.9946474

>>9926285
Big learning experience for Yagoo and the other holomems.

>> No.9946499

>>9927039
good

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>>9926285
I don't think HoloEN would even exist if it weren't for her, so I would say it was a negative overall. I'm still relatively new to watching vtubers, but it seems like she helped bring people together, both within Hololive and outside of it.

>> No.9949639

>>9929410
Got an example? Besides Coco ofcourse?

>> No.9949831

>>9926285
1: dust never settles.
2: neither. it's just a thing that happened.

>> No.9949834

>>9926285
A negative obviously.
wtf would they have gained by losing her?

>> No.9949972

>>9929121
Based

>> No.9950086

>>9926285
Positive because such a high earner leaving made Cover pull the stick slightly out of their collective ass. Not entirely, but it's less wedged in their now. Wouldn't want to scare anyone else off.
Negative because I miss her. Kson doesn't feel the same and she can't collab with her old friends that way.

>> No.9950229

>>9927564
Yes, they shot down potentially good ideas often enough that multiple girls complained about it publicly while only approving incredibly safe (but boring) ideas like more meme reviews. That's the problem.

>> No.9950232

>>9949639
Foreign vtubers who multistream have to hide their on-screen chat on Bilibili due to a retarded spergout over seeing NT$ superchats or something along those lines.

>> No.9950406

>>9944558
Coco absolutely deserve more

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>Coco absolutely deserve more

>> No.9950471

>>9926285
Positive.
I feel like she made a lot of good changes in hololive and her graduation made her a martyr and motivated other girls to do their best.

>> No.9950601

>No new generations have to deal with her garbage humor ever again
Pretty big net positive.
Seems haachama and ame have abandoned the reddit crap and ame in the ame as well.

>> No.9950638

She's a man hating camwhore with a sense of humor that is literally just "SEX LMAO". Her graduation was a blessing.

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>She's a man hating camwhore with a sense of humor that is literally just "SEX LMAO". Her graduation was a blessing.

>> No.9950735

Now that I think about it, is there any negative in coco's leaving? Seems to be a win-win situation for me

>> No.9950785

>>9946390
Dunno about chinks grudge, but Coconiggers seething will definitely outlast the universe. They already produce enough salt to provide the entire planet for centuries

>> No.9950856

>>9949834
Not having a creatively bankrupt timebomb whore in their employ, obviously. I knew ever since her debut that she would seriously piss off someone in the future. It just happened to be the chinks

>> No.9950936

>>9946160
True that, she immediately cranked up her whorishness as soon as she left Hololive.

>> No.9950939

it's only a couple of "people" left spamming Fubuki at this point. It's nowhere near comparable to the shit Coco was left to handle

>> No.9951072

>>9950601
Haachama's "Reddit Review" was just reading the front page of reddit and having no idea what was going on.

>> No.9952075

>dragon thread
>pure unadulterated autism for 254 posts

>> No.9952213

>>9926349
This, chinks were right.

>> No.9952356

>>9942602
nah, it's not about the chink mindset hating her.

Her leaving is a huge blow to hololive. good. Fuck hololive's management and lack of moderation and support for the girls. Her leaving gives slightly more security to the other girls, or atleast it's considered more. Her leaving inspires the other girls to stand up for themselves, knowing that fans will stay and stand up for them post-grad.

>> No.9952391

>>9952075
What do you expect? Everytime a coconig post the collective IQ of this board dropped even further somehow
>>9952213
As always

>> No.9952453

>>9927039
Lmao.

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>>9952391
>as always
Now that's a stretch, chinkanon. What else would you say the chinks were right about? Tread carefully, of course.

>> No.9952522

>>9945375
>it damaged people's views on hololive upper management.

On the other hand, it's positive, because
>it reveals the truth about how shitty the management is and how change is important to be demanded and to happen.

>> No.9952544

>>9927379
Huh, this actually summed it all up

>> No.9952643

>>9942913
Also this. It's funny seeing how shallow kson truly is once you peel off the bullshit

>> No.9953737

>>9952488
Aqua, Nana and Mea

>> No.9960763

>>9926374
why did hololive historian not appreciate her?

>> No.9960898

>>9927379
>antagonized antis
this nigga really said

>> No.9961050

>>9927627
tell me ur a chinese neet without telling me ur a chinese neet

>> No.9961227

>>9926285
It had no effect.

>> No.9961263

Sure are a lot of chinks here lately. Probably because their hobbies all got outlawed, lmao

>> No.9961315

>>9927603
It's a discord raid. FYI, Hololive Historian and eggboy were both chink corroborators

>> No.9961347

>9927716
No free (you)'s bitch

>> No.9961399

>>9930039
me too

>> No.9961496

>>9927379
>Then she whined about creative differences only to reveal that she meant pandering even harder with her irl tits.
>Posts noel

>> No.9961690

>>9927379
I'd tell you to have sex but who are we kidding?

>> No.9961914

>>9926285
I think it's bad because it exposed Hololive for the inept company that is, and it made girls more open to the idea of leaving.

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>>9929312
This but unironically you bug scum. Coco was laughing during her graduation stream whilst you were crying Chairman Pooh didn't update your social credit score.

>> No.9963011

>>9960763
Who did you think took them down?
And she got a lawyer too, so she didn't have to give him personal info (which YouTube requires to strike someone or, iirc, contest a strike. Because they are retarded and so is their system)

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>>9926285
Positive, because I didn't like her

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去他妈的Coco。我很高兴她毕业了,她离开后,hololive在创意上的限制和紧张程度降低了。另外,如果你认为这是真正的中国人,你就是个白痴。

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>>9964402

>> No.9965761

>>9964402
>hololive在创意上的限制和紧张程度降低了

google translate..

you look cringe and retarded, faggot

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>>9964050
>>9964402

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>>9952391
>>9952213

Hololive historian gaycord faggots still seething.

>> No.9966198

>>9926349
Nah, Coco's timing was just right to spite the CCP.

>> No.9966475

>>9927379
Wow, haven't read the word misandrist in a while. Also the tits are funny

>> No.9966551

>>9965761
>he fell for it

>> No.9966570

I just know I never got to suck on those dragon tities. that was her most important attribute and she's nothing without it.

>> No.9966605

你好,我是中国人。我很高兴Coco走了。中国又赢了。我恨你们美国人。

>> No.9966769

>>9927379
It's funny because all they can say is how offensive you are, but can't dispute any of your accusations. Each time someone hits the nail on the head about Kson, the simps come out of the woodwork with "cringe", "retard", "delusional" like broken records, almost exactly in that order.

Might as well add "egg" to that and we'll have the start of a "what people say when you're right" lexicon for /vt/.

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>>9926285
If you are talking from a content standpoint, that depends on each person´s taste, I personally did not like her style of comedy, so she leaving means nothing to me.

From a financial standpoint for Hololive, Coco´s case is complicated.

Before the taiwan yab she was by all means an asset for Hololive, regardless of what I might think about her content, for a long time she served as the only bridge for hololive to have a closer conection with it´s english speaking fanbase.

However, the taiwan yab turned her into a liability. I don´t think most people here fully grasp how big of a blow that shit was to hololive as a company. HoloCN (and any posible future CN gens) dying by itself was kinda bad, not terrible, but bad. But being completely cut out from the chinese market is one of the worst things that could have happened to Hololive.

We are talking about being blocked from getting gachikoi money from the country with the biggest (and still growing) middle class in the world. We are talking about losing potential merchandise partnerships with a shit ton of companies. We are talking about losing pototantial collaborations with a shit ton of popular mobile games (which are a good way to make money regardless of what you think of them). And of course, there is also the fact that following the incident, collabs with Coco became a complicated matter to deal with due to harrassement by the antis.

I fully believe Cover gave a serious thought to the idea if kicking Coco out. But doing had the potential of making things worse, just losing Coco was preferable financially to losing China, but the ramifications on how both JP fans, EN fans, and even other Holomems would react to Cover throwing her under the bus like that could be catastrophic. JP is still, and will always be, Hololive´s primary market, and a big talent walkout from the company in support for Coco would ruin then.

Cover basically had to make a choice, stunt your growth potential, or fucking die, of course, they chose the former.

Cover must be fumming right now about Coco leaving, since now they lost both China and Coco, but at least they adverted a bigger crisis.

Whether her graduation is a negative or a positive, it will depend on whether Hololive will be able to return to China or not. If they do, it´s a massive positive, if they don´t, it´s an unfortunate but mild negative since Coco isn´t as essential today, with HoloEN being a thing.

With the benefit of hindsight, second best case scenario for everyone (best one being the taiwan yab never happening in the first place) would have been Coco leaving inmediatly out of her own choice, that way HoloCN survives, the chinese market is still on the table, and eveyone else would have moved on eventually, the whole thing would just be a sad footnote in hololive history like Chris or Aloe.

But then again, I am saying this as someone who never liked Coco´s content, so maybe her fans would be madder than I believe they would.

>> No.9966931

>>9926285
Neutral for Hololive. Negative for her.

>> No.9967002

Who?

>> No.9967087

>>9963011
Huh? why the fuck did the one person who never gave a shit about people knowing her true identiy (along with maybe Matsuri) went after him?
Also I question what could the lawyer even do, reposting shit that was always public is not illegal, unless of course Hololive Historian was spreading addresses and phone numbers too.

>> No.9967173

>>9926430
Did the zhangs really broke this board mentally so bad they asume all antis are chinks? you do know Matsuri has had antis in japanese boards since forever right?

>> No.9967473

>>9927128
It does look nice, but I don´t she should use it, her real face is pretty and makes some cute expressions, she should use that to her advantage

>> No.9967612

>>9966886
The tension and rrats would have gained power beyond reckoning if Coco had kneeled to West Taiwan at the peak of the nonsense. It would effectively have been no different than firing her, because that is how it would be interpreted, even if she made a public statement. Cover made the smartest decision they possibly could, in the end there were all sorts of odd things that happened with other talents between taiwan yab and Coco leaving, and if that'd been hanging over the talent and fan's heads, who knows how things would've turned out.

I don't associate Coco with Kson; they're like two snapshots of a person's brain at different points in life. Coco made her be more of a person than she actually was, and her dogma was larger-than-life in terms of Hololive. What she did for the girls behind the scenes was irreplaceable. From a content standpoint, she fucking sucked outside of rocking the boat in the early days, but what she encouraged in others was what made Hololive thrive.

I think she just realized she couldn't live up to her own hype anymore, and quit while she was ahead. Now she has an army of eternally loyal paypigs, and can fade into obscurity as comfortably as she likes, with nice memories.

>> No.9967754

i like to beat off to her every once and a while

>> No.9967804

>she already left hololive and still makes zhangs and chinks SEETHE on a daily basis as evident in this thread
Holy mother of based. I can't kneel enough for this bitch.

>> No.9967913

>>9967087
She took it down for the other girls, presumably.
And she just sent him a regular DMCA, since he was reposting Kson videos. The lawyer was just so she didn't have to give him HER real name and ID like YouTube's asinine system requires you to if a claim gets contested.

>> No.9967934

>>9967612
I see her content the exact opposite as you, she was one of the few holos that was actually watchable.

>> No.9968041

>>9967913
Ah, that makes more sense.

>> No.9968116

>>9967934
>meme reviews that started off charming and devolved to her getting the "reddit dragon" moniker
>the exact same unarchived karaoke every week with the exact same songs
>I'm shaving my bussy gaiz
>oh a video game everyone else is playing. sou desu ka!
I am not even calling you out, I want you to sincerely show me your favorite Coco vid.

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>>9966886

>> No.9968720

>>9966886

This is actually pretty wrong with respect to losing China. Ultimately had Cover fired Coco, they'd have lost China anyway, because the Chinese are increasingly cracking down on foreign content. In particular, they changed regulations in November 2020 that devastated their vTuber industry. It's almost impossible to make a living as a vTuber in China now, even with a big audience.

The Chinese are increasingly targeting entertainment industries for harassment (the examples of this are endless, including what's happened to Marvel's movies, TenCent, the video game industry in general, and even the one Chinese actress who was disappeared).

Cover ultimately had no future in China. The Taiwan affair actually ended up helping them in the sense that it got them out of the snake pit that is China's entertainment industry before China could harm the company more.

I actually feel bad for the non-insane Chinese fans, because the government (and the antis, who operate with unofficial government sanction) drove their oshis out of the country.

>> No.9968872

>>9968116
I could reply seriously to you but since you’re obviously being retarded i won’t bother, I didn’t even watch her that much since my oshi streams so many hours every day but her Terraria streams were great, her Evil Within playthrough was also good.
She was actually one of the few holos that played all kinds of games instead of the same shit everyone else plays, you should at least try to get basic facts right if you want to be taken seriously but i know that’s asking too much, EOP-kun.

>> No.9970040

>>9926285
Nothing change so far...nothing bad or good, like never happen

>> No.9970061

>>9966886

>We are talking about being blocked from getting gachikoi money

As a chinese, no one actually watch HoloCN, in fact, they are hated through most chinese Vtuber forums, for me, Fubuki and Aqua are the ones that I actually enjoyed from hololive on bilibili, but as we know, Fubuki stands with coco and she doesn't give a f about bilibili and prettymuch the same with aqua except she didn't do it that obvious.

>country with the biggest (and still growing) middle class in the world.

Does it have anything to do with Vtubers industry? Obviously no, because regardless how rich are you, restrictions are restrictions and foreign companies will not get any extra benefits from it, that's why most rational people in china think their exit from Bilibili is correct.

Also, another factor that made them withdrawing from Bilibili is Asoul, considering how stupid are you, I am not going to explain this further since you will not get how complicated behind this.

Btw, I am a chinese tourist here just to see how retarded are the white pig coco antis on 4chan, and yes, white pigs are more retarded than NGAfags, maybe you people should form a union or something.

>> No.9970462

>>9970061
Do you think vtubers will be eventually banned like kpop and tiktok celebrities

>> No.9970618

>>9970462
>Already taking some actions against regular streamers especially on chat donations.

>> No.9970654

>>9970618
So Kizuna Ai and Nijisanji are fucked then

>> No.9971196

>>9970654
Nijisanji will probably cut VirtuaReal off if it becomes too much trouble, yeah.
Not like they haven't been prepared to do that, there's a reason it's not named "Nijisanji CN". Makes it easier for them to seperate.

>> No.9971473

>>9970061
>Btw, I am a chinese tourist here just to see how retarded are the white pig coco antis on 4chan, and yes, white pigs are more retarded than NGAfags, maybe you people should form a union or something

Based

>> No.9972096

>>9971196
HimeHina...

>> No.9972440

>>9926285
Negative for hololive historian and his discordfags

>> No.9972619

>>9926285
everyone is the same without her, so.... neither?

>> No.9973317

>>9970061
> some 4chans can fake QQ and become fake Rabid dog warrior in NGA.


They never learn

>> No.9977800

>>9926430
Those arent the chinks anon they are matsuri's paypigs
>>9926401
Chinks are targetting fbk and aqua. Go to any Fubuki # and is full of doxshit and chinks runes

>> No.9977900

>>9926285
a net positive, yeah she did contribute a lot in the development of the whole company as a whole but her last content was shit, all she had going was reddit and shitty games with repetitive karaoke
ended up going bad for her because the chinks never left her alone and are denying her of content opportunities

>> No.9979283

>>9970061
Based

>> No.9979941

can't wait for china to realize that all that they fought for on the internet and on the global stage will just backfire.
same problem with the LGBT and BLM crowd, they don't understand that too much activism and too much protection just paints you in a bad light.
words are just as dangerous as a full on war. it's easy to kill people, but hard to kill ideas.

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