/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>puts management on their fucking place
Gura has become extremely based
she finally understands how powerful she is
kneel to the queen of the vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

I kneel to no one

[Anonymous No.]

You can't just say that and not post any evidence.

[Anonymous No.]

ill kneel to gura so i can easily lick her shark cunny

[Anonymous No.]

Why did you end your post about Gura by talking about Ai

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748280
>i don't give a shit about management anymore
Holy Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748508
i don't have to spoonfeed thread-watchers

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748607
>Ai
Yeah, aii lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748508
Her whole stream she just did. Mostly the last hour.

[Anonymous No.]

>managers are scum
Wow, she really let them have it.

[Anonymous No.]

>I know that my opinion is important and it need to be said

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748280
>I dont give a shit anymore, I'm going to say the n word, fuck the management nigger faggots
woah gura is quite rude today

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748280
Based Shark

[Anonymous No.]

>queen of the vtubers
my sides

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748280
Has she said anything after the "Excuse me princess!" rant?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748508
There's a popular clip where Gura a new manager tried to jab Gura saying she's asking for permission for too many games. And she pretty much publicly lambasted her for forcing the manager to do her job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748280
>literally said she gives less of a shit now a days
extremely based

[Anonymous No.]

Quit your already successful career to join a company so you can make even more money appealing to the lowest common denominator and then complain about said company not letting you do whatever you want. This was inevitable letting white women in.
You faggots like this?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm really glad Gura's not afraid to throw her weight around anymore. She doesn't realize that she's one of the few people who could probably wrangle cover around to actually take care of their talents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748769
Cliffnotes

[Anonymous No.]

here rep beggars
>>9750772
>>9748508
https://youtu.be/qgMKIdy4qjg?t=7092

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750886
>You faggots like this?
yup. cover is ran by retards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750913
lol that grimace emoji

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750913
Oh god, she's fucking based

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750913
>>9748769
Do you mean IN the last hour? And not an hour long rant?\
Because a hour long rant would be based as fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750886
Yeah. cover needs a shakeup desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750886
yes, management have to start showing respect for their talents and obey because they are nothing without them

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750886
Ikr, Hololive is nothing without gura

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750886
Yes. Western women are a lot less subservient than JP women.
If Cover wants to keep the EN gravy train rolling, then they're going to have to deal with it.
It's not a coincidence that Coco, the American is the one was the first to graduate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748280
She was on a role, I thought management would pull the plug when she started reciting lines from Mein Kampf but Kiara kept cheering her on saying "6 million chickens wasn't enough," management really is powerless against her

[Anonymous No.]

The problem is Cover is trying to run Hololive like a pure Japanese idol agency, which includes the crazy iron grip it has on its talents. It's super old fashioned and only really works in Japan and they refuse to adapt after adopting an English branch, even if the English branch is your most successful group.

I think it is most likely because they think the English fans are a phase right now, and that when they leave and move onto the next fad only the Japanese fans will stay for the idol culture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750886
Making minute long shitposts months apart is not a "career" its just a hobby lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>9751456
>the English branch is your most successful group.
eh Gen 3 is way more successful (both SC and view)

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive could graduate the entire EN branch and survive

[Anonymous No.]

>>9751456
>they think the English fans are a phase right now
EN fans didn't stay around in the OG era and they sure aren't gonna be staying around in this era either. The same thing happened with every other weeb interest; it took several rounds over a long period of time before there was a large enough EN base to be self-sustaining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9751585
DYRBLB they would survive?
the chink attacks were nothing compared to what a global audience would do

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750886
americans will never know what it feels to not be a slave to corporate

[Anonymous No.]

>>9751828
the EN market is pretty saturated at this point. Both EN2 and NijiEN have pulled some pretty bad numbers for their reputation.
Cover shouldn't expect any grow, instead they should worry about the loosing interest in the EN market

[Anonymous No.]

>>9751828
That could be very likely, the Japanese fanbase is a lot more stable than the EN fanbase.

However, I would also argue that if Cover actually capitalized better on the English market and tried to get ahead of it (instead of just.. hoping its successful and then letting it die out when its ready) they could very well have made it even bigger. Its a higher risk (which Japanese business in general hate) but man would it potentially be a higher reward.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9751533
where was gen 3 after year 1

[Anonymous No.]

>>9751828
wow it's almost like people can't stay interested listening to a streamer speaking a language they don't understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748280
Nani?! Watashi no niisu...
W-why are they b-bending their own?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>9752024
year 1 what? They still bring the most money every month.
Russia, Marine, Pekora, Flair are all top SC earners in Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>9752139
year 1 after debut, do they have the same pull as en1 has after a year? Think anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>9752254
yeah. are you retarded?
https://playboard.co/en/youtube-ranking/most-superchatted-all-channels-in-worldwide-yearly

[Anonymous No.]

>>9752139
SC's aren't everything. If Cover really cared about SC's they wouldn't let holos like Ame turn them off all the time.

Its all about views, subs, and sponsorships. EN provides a lot of views, a shit ton of subs, and a wider range of sponsorships.

Cover is digging their own grave by not capitalizing on the EN market. Doing the con circuit is a good step in that, but they really should have created a physical branch in NA for their EN talents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9752370
Superchat is not the same as viewership and exposure in general, retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>9752417
There is nothing Cover can do to grow in the EN market.
It's not like Vshojo and other companies are not doing their best but they don't see much grow since lockdown ended either.
The industry as a whole is not growing, not just Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>9752417

A physical branch is unpossible. Inas off in Americas Hat Kiaras in an undisclosed location in Europe Calis in Japan and god knows how far Ame and Gura could be apart from each other in the states with Texas alone being larger than Canada

[Anonymous No.]

>>9752472
4/5 EN1 can't break 10k while 4/5 gen 3 can do that regularly.
Who is the retard here

[Anonymous No.]

>>9752588
>Texas larger than Canada
Retardanon..

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750913
That's it?

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>>9751162
Dont know whats so hard about you simply opening and stream and watching it yourself but
She directly called her manager out and basically said she is a piece of shit for not allowing her specifically to do things that other vtubers including the ones in hololive to do the things she wants without issues

[Anonymous No.]

>>9752642

You complain about the obvious "Texas is bigger than EVERYTHING" wank and completely ignore Unpossible? Besdes its Mercrator projection making Canada look larger just like Greenland. Texas is actually 3 times the size of the NA continent

[Anonymous No.]

>>9752588
It's definitely not impossible. Even if they don't have their own branch itself, renting out studio space in NA is stupid easy. There are VA/Mocap studios all over the states, and several in Canada. I'm not as familiar with the EU side of things, but I could guess there are studios in at least the UK and probably France/Germany for the EU girls. If not, then thats only ONE talent you have to fly out to the states for a week of recording/performance.

The more difficult part is investing into the EN staff/management side of things, which is probably where the actual trouble is.

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>>9752629
idiot are seriously comparing current gen3 and en1 viewership? gen3 in one year after debut averages around 90k total views on vods, and only increased a lot around early to mid 2020, then additional exposure due to rise of en helped that. fucking walnut, give en more time they have only been present for a year

[Anonymous No.]

>>9752915
>only ONE talent
Kiara and More are already 2. That doesn't count Ina and EN2 whose talents live all over the world

[Anonymous No.]

>>9752370
You're still comparing talent which had one extra year of generating a hardcore audience so it's extremely retarded to bring this up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748280
The things she said sounded actually more defeatist than rebellious to me, so I'm holding out until I see any actual action/change before I go around calling her "based" or whatever.
Because from the gist of it, she basically said "In the beginning, I wondered/worried/wanted too much, why can't we have this, why can't we do that? Now I just don't give a shit anymore, shrug, shoganai, whatever"... which sounds cool if you take it to mean "haha fuck the managers, Imma do what I want anyway", but can just as well mean "I stopped asking/caring for unreasonable things, lowered my expectations, accepted that some things are impossible" etc. which is probably also more reasonable because it takes less effort (and she's a passive/lazy personality type anyway), so you just become accustomed to things and take the path of least resistance, just show up, do the minimum and collect a paycheck.

Basically the [Kiara update]-copypasta, just replaced with shork.

[Anonymous No.]

How come Kiara love Jenma so much, but Gura and Ame absolutely despise her? Is it a language barrier thing or favoritism?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9753164
>due to rise of en helped that.
take a look at gen 3 views in 8/2020 fucking retard. There is no EN at that time
And the bigger problem is that Hololive Myth is not growing.
Their CCV numbers stay the same for months

[Anonymous No.]

>>9753370
esl, I said that early to mid 2020 they have rising views, THEN the rise of en helped it rise more. Go back and do your english reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>9753349
nah I don't think its Jenma in particular they hate, I think its the managers that Jenma reports to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9753296
>one extra year of generating a hardcore audience
that doesn't mean shit. Gen 0, 1 and 2 all have shit numbers when they have like 2 years lead.
Time doesn't mean anything when you're not growing.

[Anonymous No.]

I kneel, all hail the queen!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>9753370
Although yeah stagnation is indeed a problem, unless the talents tackle it or even the company changes their approach regarding the en branch

[Anonymous No.]

>>9753459
>en helped it rise more
not really, the EN audience did help but not Hololive Myth itself.
As I said Gen 3 hasn't grow for like a year.
I have watch Hololive way before the creation of this board, newfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>9753193
Mori has an easier time going back to the states then the other girls have going to Japan (see the fact that she just bought another house in the states). Kiara would be the only one who would be a little more difficult flying over.

As for Council, its the same situation. Three in NA and two out of NA. It would still be easier flying them over to NA versus the others going into Japan.

They should have gotten NA staff and rented studio space for stuff. They dropped the ball on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9753349
Kiara could physically interact with Jenma when she was in Japan. Hell, remember how Jenma actually let her stay and stream from her place for a few days when she was in need? That probably also makes you closer and feel indebted to.
Also Kiara is probably "easier" to work with, given that she's very communicative and responds to messages quickly (opposed to Gura specifically, who is known for ghosting), and with her more proactive personality she probably has taken more charge of the relationship (treating Jenma more like her "personal assistant", which is what managers are supposed to be), as opposed to someone like Gura who probably doesn't reach out to management as much and therefore only experiences them as "the people who tell me what I CAN'T do".
Of course, this is all just my subjective armchair-reasoning from afar, going off of what little drops of behind the scenes lore the talents have given us, so I'm sure there are other reasonable interpretations. But yeah, in general I agree the manager-distribution seems woefully lopsided. Mori gets one for herself, Ina has her own, and then Jenma has to manage three disparate talents? Even if she was the best, it's natural that she can't serve everyone as good. Sure, maybe not every girl can get her own personal manager solely for them, but at least distribute them better (for example, let the 2 NA-girls share a manager), and make sure they're a fit for the talents' specific personality type.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9754001
I think with Gura its a double edge sword. She's the big numbers in EN so there is probably more eyes from higher management on her than there is on Kiara.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748280
How long until an American agency offers her a bigger paycheck and more freedom? It's plausible a company would pay up to acquire the most subbed to vtuber. And not having to get permissions for every little thing would be very appealing to Gura.
>gura graduates for personal reasons
>s****** suddenly active again
If vtubers really become mainstream, I don't see Japanese agencies being able to compete with anyone outside Japan, especially America. The permissions thing is just too restrictive. There just isn't any serious competition for Hololive right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9753500
This. Low-level talent relations like Jenma are basically just glorified personal gophers.
When you hear the girls bitch about being denied or told they can't do something etc. it's usually not their managers fault (at worst, those are just the messengers, and at best they are also on the girls side and try to make things happen, but can't), but some pencil pushers decision higher up in the chain (for example, overcautious legal department, etc.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750886
>Quit your already successful career
You call making weird meme video successful?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750913
oh wow it's literally nothing I can't believe /vt/ was dramafagging again

[Anonymous No.]

>>9754172
First there would need to be an american corpo that's big and attractive enough for that to pull off, and given how cynical and doomposty >we are about the future and ceiling of vtubing, that's probably the biggest plothole in this scenario.

But sure, let's entertain the thought. Bigger paycheck? Gura doesn't strike one as being primarily motivated by money. More freedom? Yeah, permissions can be a bitch, but is Gura really the type to seriously think "wah wah, I can't play X game on stream, buuuut I wanna play it on stream soooo bad, that I'm willing to quit my company over it!" ? And more importantly, give up her friends over it? Not really. Same goes for everyone, really. Sure, they might bitch and moan a bit over some things, but not really at the level where you might think they actually in danger of quitting over it. Maybe only in a few years time, when they are more jaded and/or set for life, and feel they have gotten everything they could out of Hololive and are ready for a change of pace / new challenge or whatever.

Also, "creative freedom" is a fucking meme. I don't even need to point to Coco, who's just doing the same reddit shit she's been doing before. Gura was an "indie" before, and what did she do with her "creative freedom" back then? Depressed/"drunken" kusoge and karaoke streams, wow yeah so amazing, we really lost out there, I'm sure she can't wait to go back to that directionless shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9754721
> is Gura really the type to seriously think "wah wah, I can't play X game on stream, buuuut I wanna play it on stream soooo bad, that I'm willing to quit my company over it
Yes.... Literally yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9754820
And dip out on her friends for it? Nah. Coco said the hardest part of leaving Hololive was leaving behind the girls. Gura is not type of person to leave her friends first over video game restrictions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9753370
>Hololive Myth is not growing.
Why gura antis always like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9754721
>>9754820
This and it's not just what Gura wants. I assume there are also things Cover wants to do but can't due to permissions.

>"creative freedom"
I highly doubt an agency that just signed her for $$$ would allow her to waste her talents

[Anonymous No.]

Can't believe you braindead faggots have to be reminded every time why management exists.
The alternative to management is Vshojo.
The alternative to management is Kson whoring herself for donations.
If you want the girls without management, go watch one of the million 2view indies shove corn dogs up their beavers for money. No one's making you watch Holos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9754960
Yet she still did it and the only difference is that she plays games she wasn't allowed to before.....

Creative freedom is a meme.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9754960
What Coco did was necessary, you can feel that the management loosened up quite a bit since then, scared of losing more talent.
Once again the dragon took one for the team, she is obviously having a harder time now without collabs and the rest of the stuff Cover would provide her for visibility, even if she doesn't need to give them a cut of her earnings anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9755178
whats wrong with vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>9755178
A balance must exist.
In the time period between January and through July, the management was so strict that I swear to god most of the girls could basically only stream MH:R, similar licensed games and do karaoke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750886
whites just naturally rise to the top. no amount of sabotage seems to stop them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9755158
this is probably the clearest evidence showing that Hololive as a whole has stopped growing since a year ago.
That's comments per day for r/Hololive.
You can see a huge jump between the Azur Lane collab and Myth Debut, after that people started losing interest.
This correlates well with the the CCV of Pekora or Gura.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9755178
Go back to work Manager, stop shilling yourself here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9755517
No one gives a shit about reddit, faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9755517
>comments per day for r/Hololive.
Anon the subreddit quit growing because it's a piece of shit loaded with memes and attention whores trying to get on meme review.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9755517
>antis still desperate after getting rekt on numbersfags threads lately now come here to stip any sanity they left
Truly sad
Truly sad

[Anonymous No.]

>>9755845
you have no argument.
Literally everything points to the fact that Hololive is not growing

[Anonymous No.]

>>9755972
>Literally everything
>Reddit posts
Can I call you a faggot now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9755202
>Creative freedom is a meme.
Yes, only being able to play approved games makes Hololive great. Not being able to archive karaoke streams makes Hololive great. If Microsoft and Nintendo revoked permissions, Hololive would still be the best. I'm not being sarcastic, this is serious.

If an American Hololive equivalent existed, it would fail because the vtubers would be able to play whatever they wanted. It would fail because all their streams would be archived no matter the content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9751415
She didn't need to deny the Smol Ame genocide though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9755874
why don't you compare the Gura and Pekora CCV in 11/2020 to that of 8/2021 then?
Sorry but reality is different from what you want it to be

[Anonymous No.]

>>9756063
kys EOP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9756075
>Reddit shitter are the new antis
Poetry

[Anonymous No.]

>>9755972
Meds

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750913
wow she sounds like a child

[Anonymous No.]

>>9756035
CCV? SC? what metrics do you want?
>>9756184
>fallacy
it's sad really. I have been watching Hololive way before the EN1 debut. I know when it's growing.
I didn't even say anything bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750886
Suck Gura's dick

[Anonymous No.]

>>9756152
Very compelling counter point. You have shown me the light and I have changed my mind. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9756428
Good, now do you reps cause your newfagness is too obvious mutt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9756063
>Not being able to archive karaoke streams makes Hololive great
anon I don't think that's a problem with Hololive. Every YouTube musician has that problem, you're always at the mercy of big publishers

[Anonymous No.]

>>9755845
>>9755874
Unfortunately, in the eyes of the general public, Reddit has a better reputation than 4chan.
>"But-"
No, shut the fuck up. To the average person, Reddit is that place where nerds make memes, while 4chan is where all the evil racists hang out and plot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9756556
>Reddit has a better reputation than 4chan.
YOU mean infested by trannies

[Anonymous No.]

>>9756556
Right and who's ever given shit about people who are known for making memes?
Everyone worries and fears the terrorists and racists even if they're no threat at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9756769
Isn't this the same faggot forma reddit who got rekt by numberfags threads yesterday?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9756556
And yet we're faster than them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9756904
That's because vt is reddit you tard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9756556
>in the eyes of the general public
>To the average person
4chan represents the average person and general public. the average person knows it. the minority group of troons who melt down over 4chan on reddit/twitter and CIA funded news corporations attacking 4chan dont count.

4chan is the majority opinion and everyone knows it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9756282
ToT

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748280
Gura never talked shit about management. She talked shit about people that might hate her if she streams particularly one way or say something that is deemed bad.


This thread is full of schizos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9756888
I think you replied to the wrong person there buddy

[Anonymous No.]

>>9757132
Watch streams retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9757088
pure unadulterated cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>9757365
NTA but from what I watch, it's more about her declaration that she will speak her mind and confess her love to ame and will rape her if she refuses her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9755517
>leddit meyrics
Fuck off back to there

[Anonymous No.]

>>9755517
reddit as a metric kek
The absolute state of nijifags

[Anonymous No.]

>>9757088
This is self delusion on a massive scale. Reddit IS normies, it's a hugely popular social networking website, albeit less than Facebook and such. The fucking holomems themselves are there. 4chan is universally derided as a center of racism, conspiracies, hate, and general autism. Even if you hated reddit, it's undeniable that it represents a decent metric of normie behavior.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9756749
This sadly isn't considered a bad thing by many people, thanks to the far left. We're the baddies now.
>>9756769
"Something something fear something something love." - some Italian dude, I think his name was Nick McVelli
>>9756888
I've been doing my VOD reps all weekend, since those are max tourist hours and I don't wanna deal with that shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9757805
>>9757513
SC? CCV?
Gura averaged about 30k in her second month after the debut. Look at her numbers now.
where is the growth?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9755517
The real reason why the subreddit has declined is that it's been used as karma farming by around 30 people and utterly useless for discussion. People have been fleeing to 4chan and discord for discussion.
/vt/ itself has more 2x posts per day than the largest Hololive fan discord has messages per day. /vt/ + /jp/ is twice as big as it was one year ago and four times as big as mid-2020. Where do you think these people came from? 80% of this board is redditors.

>This correlates well with the the CCV of Pekora or Gura.
>>9756075
Sigh... you're literally too new to remember the CCV counting change that reduced CCVs across the board by 30-40%

[Anonymous No.]

>>9756328
>it's sad really. I have been watching Hololive way before the EN1 debut. I know when it's growing.
That's a lie because you'd know what what happened on December 11 across to the board to all vtuber numbers. If you're lying about even this, there's no point in engaging you in any other form of discussion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748280
Reminder that she's also here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9758150
>>9758113
Anon I know that Pekora can easily pull 30k right before the EN debut because I was at /hlg/ in /jp/ to shitpost about it.
You probably started watching since Myth debut right?
answer this >>9758011

[Anonymous No.]

>>9753779
I don't think you appreciate how difficult getting back into Canada from the US still is right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748280
>puts management on their fucking place
>"hey gura appear for this dubious woke charity and tank your image"
>"yes master"

[Anonymous No.]

>>9758113
such a misleading graph

[Anonymous No.]

>>9758268
NTA but looking at Gura's CCV being halved yet her VOD view remain relatively unchanged just makes me think CCV as not a reliable metric. Nowadays her VOD views seems to have a wider range. Her 20-25k CCV MC streams now have as much VOD views as her 40-45k MC stream back then. The stream length roughly the same. To me it just seems like a mix of slight decline, YT fuckery as well as more people watching VODs vs livestream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748280
>Queen of Vtubers
Oh OP you silly, you posted the wrong picture
The real Queen of vtuber is
>pic related

[Anonymous No.]

>>9758345
explain

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748563
Nnice desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>9758668
>NTA but looking at Gura's CCV being halved yet her VOD view remain relatively unchanged just makes me think CCV as not a reliable metric. Nowadays her VOD views seems to have a wider range. Her 20-25k CCV MC streams now have as much VOD views as her 40-45k MC stream back then. The stream length roughly the same. To me it just seems like a mix of slight decline, YT fuckery as well as more people watching VODs vs livestream.

I think it's been pretty conclusively proven that her CCV numbers are getting nuked by adblockers. (possibly even her VOD numbers)

[Anonymous No.]

>>9759159
I don't see that honestly

[Anonymous No.]

>>9759319
it's even worst for Ame.
People here criticize Japan for being slow to adapt but also they themselves can't look at a reality that they don't like seeing

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748351
I order thy knyal

[Anonymous No.]

>>9752642
He doesn't know...

[Anonymous No.]

>>9752370
holy fuck i didnt realise coco made that much revenue
and then she just left
absolutely based

also rushia was a huge surprise thats insane

[Anonymous No.]

The only one who has truly given it to management, the only one who I'll truly kneel to until I shatter my kneecaps is haachama

[Anonymous No.]

>>9754172
thats actually a good point wrt ******a making a comeback
just look at ironmouse and the upgrade that she got to her shitty indie model
hell, gura def has enough money to just pay the artist that does the models for vshojo and go pro indie like saruei (i forget the artists name but full modelling+rigging was like 6000$ iirc, which is very affordable)
she would have a model thats competitive in quality to hololive except with complete freedom
even if she only has a tenth of her current viewership on twitch shed be able to make a good living easily

[Anonymous No.]

>>9759885
>complete freedom
freedom to get attacked by SJW trannies, freedom to get attacked by /pol/, freedom to get attacked by anti lolis campaign. yes very fucking succesful you delusional burger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9754172
Gura wouldn't sacrifice her genmates for money, or so I would think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9759667
Haachama hasn't done shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9754721
>what did she do with her "creative freedom" back then?
nigger she literally made the most popular meme song of the year which cascaded into the ok boomer meme getting so big that it made it onto mainstream news outlets

gura "gets" the internet, if the internet has a spirit shes tapped in, and whatever she does on the internet shell succeed

kinda reminds me of filthy frank originating the harlem shake and having an extremely successful meme channel then totally pivoting to a new identity as joji

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>>9760032
no one stop her from doing that, her old channel is still there. I don't think Cover cares if she uploads memes to her Gura channel anyway

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>>9760000
i literally cited 2 successful examples in the post youre replying to you stupid cunt
saruei is doing just fine

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>>9758113
>80% of this board is redditors.
sadly true

[Anonymous No.]

>>9760104
whats stopping her is working for cover
theres no way she has the energy/time for that kind of creative output
shes burnt out

[Anonymous No.]

>>9760157
>literal who
>group that includes chaturbate whores, 4chan panderers, and saviorfags bait.
Go back fatass mutt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9760229
she could work less like Ayame, it's not like streaming 4 times a month is that exhausting.
Matsuri, Noel are whoring themselves right now and no one cares.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9760026
I agree she probably wouldn't want to leave her genmates and JP senpais.
What if a company with deep pockets signed the entire gen 1 EN group?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9760499
>signed the entire gen 1 EN group?
this is not soccer, dumbass. They could choose to all quit like Aloe or Coco and be free

[Anonymous No.]

>>9760499
This hypothetical scenario is just too outlandish, the answer is either yes they quit and lose the right to the characters,lore and enmity of some former fans for being a sellout and start a new with better everything because the hypothetical deep pocket buyout scenario or not they don't quit together because of the same reason as before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9760027
Keep telling yourself that cumbud, whatever let's you sleep at night

[Anonymous No.]

>>9760569
>leave hololive for big contract from competing agency
>immediately void contract by quitting
why

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750886
>HER
>Successful career

[Anonymous No.]

I think vtuber would be best under a streaming group like OTV and friends.
It's not as isolated as going solo but also not as restricted as being under an agency.
Of course the downside is that you should expect a lot of dramas since there's no clear leader

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>>9754001
>>9754173
I think these points might be close on managers. Any bureaucratic structure with second tier induvials are not usually the ones calling the shots. Not to mention the sort of leg work that needs to go into organizing licensing for playing certain games. I'm not to familiar how a set-up for a streamer would work but games that are indie are probably not to difficult to arrange as they would sit in a relatively simple organizational structure (director are one-email away or single run project). AAA games are probably a nightmare to organize. Current travel restrictions being what they are it would even hamper simple paper pushing in a way that could disrupt overall approvals as people are people telephone with each other trying to get just the simplest things done in the quickest way possible. I think I'm just rehashing same ground but maybe it clarifies a bit of the run around. bureaucracies are not transparent and when paired with entertainment can become opaque when trying to examine them due to the public facing nature of the business

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>>9758158
>Reminder that she's also here.
Who do you think made the thread?

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>>9761030
forgot to mention just people themselves in bureaucracies. Nightmare fuel for idol dreams...

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>>9750886
If it improves the company from my perspective, why not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9760859
Please do not associate vtubers to rapists

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750913
The theory that myth wants 3D is turning out to be true. Once again global was wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9752472
>>9753164
>>9753459
Anon, your retard juice is leaking

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>>9755517
go back faggot

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>>9753370
I guess we all forgot that gura became the #1 subscribed youtuber in the world, overtaking the previous one who is Kizuna AI (that still didnt get 3mil subs btw LMAO) and is still gaining a shitload of subs

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>>9757878
you can rewrite history of 4chan or /pol/ all you want, it wont work. especially in the current year.
normal people know pedo troons cutting kids dick off is not normal and they know 4chan is against it. this is why you're here crying about an off topic board.
imagine shilling for CIA, cant be me or any 4ch regular.

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>>9751909
Funny you write this when japan corporate structure exists.

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>>9755178
Ok holosimp

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>>9750913
Wow it's fucking nothing. Cover is shitting bricks from Noel and her NND army. Towa personally kicked like 4 managers. Kanata flamed management because of Aloe situation. During Holocaust FBK "indirectly" called management incompetent fucks in usual Japanese way. etc etc

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>>9763326
>whataboutism

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Maybe they'd care about EN if their hype didn't die off after 6 months, JPs are utterly raping them in viewership nowadays.

And let's not even get started on EN2 whose hype died off in a single week and have pathetic subcounts

[Anonymous No.]

>>9753779
Nah, Australia is an absolute nightmare land atm

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>>9763785
fuck is NND anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9752588
>Kiaras in an undisclosed location
do your reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>9766111
Nip YouTube.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9757895
the absolute state of reddit.
This people still on denial or just niji and antis try to get atention

[Anonymous No.]

>>9751533
What? Gura has 3 million subs

[Anonymous No.]

>>9771350
Subs are not everything cumbud

[Anonymous No.]

>>9771350
bro. Forget does reddit delusionals. They believe their shithole and probably twitter is better than ours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9771465
ESLchama... Your English reps...

[Anonymous No.]

>>9771407
I will quote this in the next niji/indie anti thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9771800
It's about the live viewers and superchats. Gura is never number one with those cumbucket

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>>9771863
The fact that her numbers makes people like you seethe this hard is easily the best part about Gura's numbers. You can't even play this as being retarded on purpose just to bait, her success is clearly triggering you, her image living rent free in your head, sucking up all your neet freetime as you scramble to find anything to attack her with. I hope you keep doing this forever, i love it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9771800
This is not common knowledge?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748280
It just seems like she is disrespectful of the people that gets her a paycheck to me. She should be thanking HoloLive every day

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>>9771863

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>>9775102
You should be sucking my dick every day

[Anonymous No.]

>it's another eop think goorah is special because her dead subs
Wow, I thought chumbuds would chill after one entire year, but the board still goes to shit whenever Gura isn't in the spotlight like you think she should be. I'm glad Aqua and Marine will be around to carry this collab

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>>9772084
Except Gura numbers aren't high where they matter and all you can do is vomit accusations that others are seeking whenever they aren't shilling her subs

[Anonymous No.]

>>9775960
>proving his point

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>>9750913

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>>9750868
Glad she’s calling them out publicly. What the fuck else is Cover paying for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9752588
>Texas alone being larger than Canada
Retardchama...

[Anonymous No.]

>>9776180
NTA, ES-chama, but how do you do that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9776180
Lmao he got tricked by a fake picture he found online

[Anonymous No.]

>>9776700
https://thetruesize.com/#?borders=1~!MTY1NzYwODU.OTkyODMzMA*MzA1MzQ2ODA(NjkyNzI1OA
With this page

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>>9775916
To be totally honest, I don’t particularly care about Gura since I don’t even watch her, apart from the occasional clip. I just enjoy making numberfags and Gura antis seethe because their autistic fits are fun to watch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9776794
Gracias mi amigo.

t. burger of pupusa descent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9777276
Based AF. The only people that are easier to bait than antis are Teamates.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9776180
>2 texases of different sizes
you're falling for their tricks anon

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>>9778905
>maplets not knowing Mercator and its flaws

[Anonymous No.]

Do the holo's that still work as their roommates have to follow the permission bullshit? If not why not simply stream whatever they want on their roommate accounts?

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>>9750868
>personally generates $300,000 of revenue for cover in superchat skimmings alone
>gets yagoo free takobell for life
>Omegalul tells her she's being a nerd

FUCK OMEGATROON

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>>9779947
Roomates can do whatever the fuck they want and some of them do stream whatever they want. Even games.
With EN it's just that Gura is paranoid, Ame probably too and Ina is busy with work. Kiara and Mori still do stuff on the side, but not games.

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>>9752139
>Flare
No fucking way

[Anonymous No.]

>>9755378
Based pinkcat

[Anonymous No.]

>>9775102
Fuck Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>9780127
So Gura could go live on Chaturbate and ride a big blue cock, facing no repercussions?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9780327
Since it’s not ‘Gura’, why not? As long as they don’t have their boyfriends open their door on stream it’s fair game.

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>>9763785
chumbuds don't know literally anything about what you said just

[Anonymous No.]

Why bother getting her permissions for games she's not going to play? How many games has she dropped now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9780605
Last I checked you could only drop a game after playing it

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>>9780644
Playing a 60 hour game for 3 hours isn't worth the trouble of getting permissions.

[Anonymous No.]

Now we just need to convince her to do it so I can chum to cunny >>9780384

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>>9780719
Does the time and effort needed for acquiring permissions scale with game length? Now I see why they're getting all the Chillas art games

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>>9748351
F0bo

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>>9780719
Sure it is. Cover is the one who committed to these retarded permissions rules anyway. The talents do nothing but play games like 90% of the time, they need this. Even if Gura only plays for one stream and never again they will have those permissions for the other entertainers to use.

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>>9750750
They don't exist

[Anonymous No.]

>drops every game she plays
>waaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaah why can't I get more permissions????
I know she appeals to 8 years olds, was it because she herself is 8 too?

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>>9780719
Honestly I put Gura singleplayer game vods on hold for now until she decides to complete a game again. It's getting ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9781149
Why do you need her to play the entire game

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[Anonymous No.]

If she put management in their place why does she need two handlers for the Mario Party collab?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9781522
No correlation

[Anonymous No.]

>barely streams
>never finishes games
>complains about everything
>fanbase causes problems everywhere they go
I can't imagine being her manager.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9781846
You've never had a real job before, of course you can't imagine being a manager.

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>>9782009
This coming from a 12 year old chumbud? Your lemonade stand isn't a real job, kid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9781846
4/4 on falsehoods and hyperboles
this anon might be a dumb whore

[Anonymous No.]

>>9782081
She streamed 19 out of the last 30 days, with an average stream time of 2 hours.

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>>9782271
Now place that on a normal distribution of all holos in that timeframe and tell me where she ends up. Results may surprise you

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748280
She hasn’t put anything. She just said she would. Until it happens she’s just full of warm air chunked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9766111
nyo nut december

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>>9782271
You can have that luxury when you're as successful as she is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9782358
Yeah, she's below average.

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>>9782419
so about 40% of all of them "barely stream"?

[Anonymous No.]

Gura can say and do whatever she wants. Who gives a shit if she didn't finish a game? Her manager's job is to do what Gura tells her to do. Without Gura, her manager literally wouldn't have a job. The manager needs Gura, not the other way around. Gura didn't get to 3M subs, dozens of 1M vods, most superchats, most fanart, most twitter followers, and be the best singer because her worthless manager. Whether people like it or not, she's the star of not just hololive, but all vtubers. Her manager should keep that in mind when denying Gura something as simple as Skyrim VR clips.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9782487
Not even a chumbud but I wholeheartedly agree.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck is CCV and are there so many trannys obsessed with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>9753341
I agree with both of your points. She sounded like she learned to roll with the punches and not get upset when things aren't possible. But she also sounded more comfortable in her role, knowing when to share her opinion, what to ask for, the dynamics of how the job works. Whereas in the beginning she was strictly doing what she was told, afraid she would make a huge mistake, and unsure of her place in the structure of the corporation

[Anonymous No.]

Love based Gura
Hate management
If she wasn't part of Cover, the entire company would collapse.

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>>9750913
Gura is talking here about how she's accepted the limits of what she's able to do (due to management and other factors) and that she'll just make the best of it and have fun. Its not a bad attitude to have in her situation but how is this "putting management in their place?" There's no challenge here, she's just accepting that she can't meaningfully change anything

management probably shaking in their boots thinking about this brave new future where gura continues doing whatever they say and dancing to their tune

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>>9783202
That's maturity grown from understanding the job and working with others. For good or ill, shit people dont have to like you to work with them but understanding what others do means that you can work at your best or gtfo.

[Anonymous No.]

How many holos is that now that's shit on Cover management? Always their biggest talents too. Cover got too big too fast and hired a bunch of morons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9780327
gooruh pls

[Anonymous No.]

>>9783087
Supposedly they're fleeing plebbit (since they let it turn into a basic bitch karma farm) and are flocking here. This means that they bring all their plebbit baggage with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9755517
r/Hololive is growing steadily with like 1K+ a day in terms of members, lower post ratio might be due to karma limit they imposed somewhat after the Taiwan incident or just growing awerness about other platforms of chuuba discussion like discords or indeed VT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9752915
Hell they could probably even do it at the youtube studio for free

[Anonymous No.]

>>9780384
I mean Cover completely ignored that incident since it happened on roommate account it would be similar with other talents, most likely.

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>>9750868
Anon we know that clip and it doesn't really say anything special, manager was joking and Gura was concerned with running out of games, Western gaming industry is not used to this permissions business so they often don't answer and there's nothing the management can do. They probably should hire some Westerner with connections in the industry (and not a political nutjob in the same time, that would be a challenge) that would know how to make things done even when official channels fail, feel free to DM Omega about it.

[Anonymous No.]

It's criminal that Cover extracts value from girls' work for doing next to nothing. Hololive members should organize and seize the means of content production.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9787047
The weird thing about Cover is that they hardly do more than any other online network but they have so much more control over the talents and their money. I don't have much of a complaint about it since the girls seem happy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9787200
>the girls seem happy.
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750872
twice. but it was more like "... ... ... ...sh*t." she's adorable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9776768
>>9778905
>not knowing about ghost texas

[Anonymous No.]

Gura IS hololive. If she were to quit, 95% of all holofans would stop watching. This is a fact.

[Anonymous No.]

Why do they even need to ask permission in the first place? There's literally millions of people streaming games all fucking day every single day, they never ask the publishers for permission ever (even though, legally, it's all still in a grey zone because fair use laws have never been substantially updated since the internet blew up) and nothing ever happens to them because it is, essentially, free advertising, so why would they stop it. Cover is paranoid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9766111
sad

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>>9789515
Mio's channel almost got banned (2Strikes) and the publisher could have chosen to give a 3rd if they wanted. Cover is anal about permissions dud to an entire permissions controversy arc. They were much more casual about permissions before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9789515
They didn't used to, and it caused the holocaust where a shitload of content was privated forever and in Subaru's case, deleted forever by a completely retarded manager

[Anonymous No.]

>>9789515
japanese companies are retarded and go copyright striking videos of their games from time to time

[Anonymous No.]

>>9789827
Aye but which publisher?

Because they should fucking well know that Jap publishers are unique in their absolutely self-sabotaging autism about content use. If Gura wants to stream something not made by a Japanese company there's no reason not to just let her do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9788034
I mean they're making a lot of money at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9758408
You got to stack the numbers, you retard.
/jp/ + /vt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>9789515
Because it's not worth it going after some random indie creator. Even if you drag them through court and drain them for all they're worth, you (as a license owner) is probably paying through the nose for lawyers anyway and whatever pittance you get from your target won't cover it.

But go after a corp and they're more likely to settle or otherwise have the means to pay up. Depending on the legal system, your lawyer fees as well.

Asking for permission is to safeguard against the day a license holder starts salivating looking at all that cash your talents are pulling in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9790864
Not going after them is one thing but these same companies who give Hololive strikes will actually strike deals with independent streamers to play their shit. Not to mention streamers who are/were with companies like MaximilianDOOD never having any issues with someone like Capcom who literally kicked this whole thing off with Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750886
>your already successful career
>senzawa
good one

[Anonymous No.]

>>9765999
As much as EN2 sucks, I almost feel bad for them lmao other than kronii their numbers are dogshit, especially considering the debut buff

[Anonymous No.]

>>9750913
We've come in a time where simply speaking up what you think is considered kneel-worthy kek, the absolute state of this place

[Anonymous No.]

>>9766111
Nico Nico Douga. Japanese version of YT basically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9759319
>>9759386
Oh come on. Don't drag the thread into this loop again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9748280
>>9750913
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HELP ME CHUMBUDS, THE MANAGERS ARE BEING MEAN TO ME

she literally doesn't know how to do anything without her fans

[Anonymous No.]

>>9792576
Mio was playing Ghost Trick on an emulator and Holo antis from 5ch dogpiled Capcom's comms.
The difference now is Cover is requiring permissions to go through their lawyers to get rock solid counternotice documents they can submit to YouTube if they get copyright striked.