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941212 No.941212 [Reply] [Original]

Why remain to just one agency? Why create stupid agency wars? Why the vtubers who in theory shouldn't be friends with rival agencies are friends but we can't be? Why be ignorant about other talents existing out there as if only one side is good? Anons, I think I dislike the vtuber community and how it became a cesspool.

>> No.941300

>>941212
Because an agency creates a group of girls who interact with each other and do events together and the girls are the agency pretty much. When people shill a company they are saying they like the girls and the atmosphere around their streams.

>> No.941354

>>941212
Based UNITY

>> No.941368

>>941212
That's not how companies work anon...

>> No.941407

>>941300
Only faggots remain with one agency instead of watching everyone. For example, imagine a world where I only remain with Hololive and I lose Sasaki, Kanae, Himawari, Rion, Sukoya, Patra, Pikamee, Tomoshika and so many great vtubers out there. If I was only with one agency, I only would see talents that come from them.

>> No.941521 [DELETED] 

I have nothing inherently against indies or non-HL companies, VOMS is neat for example.
It's just that most non-HL chuubas are truly terrible and finding the few decent ones is not worth looking through hundreds of awful ones.
I also don't like the atmosphere at Niji, they have constant graduations and drama which makes the characters feel kinda disposable, alos they usually have worse models than HL. Other jp companies also usually seem closer to Niji than Hololive.

>> No.941544

>>941212
I am loyal to my brand because I like the vtubers there and their interactions with each other. Other brands are fine as there is some quality control but one only has so much time to watch hour long streams. Indies are pure luck to see if they are good or not, thus are harder to watch if you like a brand.
With that said, crossovers between brands are fun because you get exposed to more good vtubers.

>> No.941573

I have not seen a clip of any other the none holos in that picture except ui mama who is basically a holo. I keep hearing about ninjifags and indies but they never pop up on youtube.

>> No.941577
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941577

>>941212
Unity is cringe
Tribalism is based

>> No.941617

>>941521
Anon, that doesn't make much sense. Nijisanji don't have constant graduations and drama. In fact, the last one was 8 months ago.

Outside of this, if we look at how many members both hololive and nijisanji had in all of their branches, counting all the graduations and current members, this is how it is:

193 nijisanji in total, 22 graduated/terminated
62 hololive in total, 10 graduated/terminated

So basically, compared to the total, Hololive has almost the same number with less members and branches.

>> No.941845

>>941212
EOPs are entitled and only like companies that hardcore pander to them.

>> No.941900
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>>941617
I was wondering where you pulled the number 10 for Hololive, but then I remember the CN branch...

>> No.941920

>>941212
Because there's only enough time in the day to follow a certain number of chubas, I'm not abandoning my oshi and the others I watch are people who collab with her often, I love what clips I've seen from Patra and her Flare collabs for example but I'd have to spend time I don't have not only watching her but having to learn who all the Honey Strap girls and everyone else she collabs with are and their personalities to get full enjoyment

>> No.942322

>>941212
There's already too many Hololive and indie vtubers to watch. When you try to get into Niisanji you're told to fuck off and learn Japanese by gatekeeping Nijisanji fans. Their fanbase does a big disservice to them, in 4chan, reddit, twitter, they would rather kill discussion than let eops in. Hololive and indies are full of annoying retards that love their chuubas but they're not malicious. They don't go out of their way to harass other vtuber companies and their talents, and most would never think of harassing another vtuber in the same company as their oshi.

No clips, no eops, no discussion and it'll continue that way because the Nijisanji fanbase refuses to change.

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942509

>>942322
Redditfag

>> No.942518

>>942322
>most would never think of harassing another vtuber in the same company as their oshi.
lmao

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>>942322
>"most would never think of harassing another vtuber in the same company as their oshi"
>He lacks the critical information

>> No.943411

>>942322
There's only Nijisanji outside of hololive?

>> No.943658

>>941212
Quality control anon. Sure you can watch chuubas from other agency but you only have so much free time.

>> No.943663

>>941617
So by making more pointless debuts, it makes the massive amount of graduations look less in parallel. That's smart. I like it.
"One death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."

>> No.943753

>>943663
Yes anon, they debut vtubers simply to reduce the ratio of number of vtubers they have hired to number that has left. Makes sense.

>> No.943821

>>941617
>numberfagging
People prefer Hololive because they produce the better product and experience. Simple as

>> No.943822

>>943753
it's a good call, very shrewd, but exemplary business sense.

>> No.943899

>>943821
Are you meaning to imply that most of the people who just watch hololive have actually spent any significant amount of time exploring what else there is? Because I don't really think that is the case.

>> No.944039

>>943821
Maybe true in JP but certainly not in the west (not even on things that should just be a function of costs like equipment/tech). Here they're carried on brand recognition and advertising, and a mostly self isolating community as seen elsewhere ITT.

>> No.944109

I wouldn't say I'm a brand loyalist. I express a partiality to Nijisanji, but that's purely management vs. management. In particular, the complete segregation of the sexes (and general lack of attention given to holostars) is a massive turn-off to me. Having cute girls is nice, but I like to have relatable male characters in the mix as well.

I'll watch content I'm interested in regardless of who is responsible for it, but Nijisanji simply produces more for me and I have no problem saying so when the topic is broached.

>> No.945071

>>944109
I really don't get the appeal of male role players doing faggy anime shit for the western audience. It's so cringey as fuck. Probably same reason people don't watch males or trannies in porn not unless you're a fucking homo yourself.
I like Hololive precisely because it's all about girls doing cute things. If I'm looking for skilled people doing pro commentary, banters, gaming, singing, cooking etc then why watch vtubers at all. Why watch Nijisanji and settle for less?

>> No.945256

>>943821
And how they know if they "prefer" hololive if they don't explore outside of hololive to compare? It seems to me it's like: "I only know hololive, so they are the best"

>> No.945339

>>941617
Nijisanji doesn't graduate their livers unless they really fuck up like Shindo Raito or they ask to graduate because of harassment like Chitose. Their livers don't get a salary and many of them have been gone for months but are still "active" members of Nijisanji, go ask the niji threads they'll agree. Comparing graduations is really disingenuous but expected of a nijifag.

>> No.945541

>>945339
>they ask to graduate because of harassment like Chitose
Chitose graduated because she wanted to pursue a music career and that is what she did.

>> No.945562

>>945339
Kasumi...

>> No.945610

>>945541
A well known vtuber from the other company disputed that fact though.

>> No.945639

>>945610
She's not even a company person when talking about that.

>> No.945691

>>945071
I don't see any reason to excluded them in your statement.

>> No.945993

>>945691
Nijis top performing members are males. No matter how we try to shill them, they're not going to get a large following at least in the west

>> No.946140

>>945639
And that was also before Chitose even said her reason.

>> No.946219

>>945993
No, i just don't get why people should exclude them for being streamer like.
Like they were ok with normal streamer, but suddenly it was no no for Nijisanji?

>> No.946789

>>941212
It's not "brand loyalty", there's just a realistic limit on how much time I can put into chuubas. I would rather have a comprehensive understanding of most of the Hololive network than barely any understanding of like 200 individuals. It's not like I don't watch others occasionally or think they're inferior as entertainers, but it's taking all I have just to reconcile not falling behind major events for one agency with my other daily activities

>> No.946868

>>945071
I mean, I sort of don't really get your point here either. Are you asking why people watch anime with males at all? I don't really understand how you're conflating all of male streamers, anime shit, and males in porn. Do you not understand /m/ either? Or is everyone watching shows like Jojo or Pingpong gay to you?

The second part doesn't make any sense either. You can watch them because some of the vtubers are skilled and entertaining at commentary, banter, gaming, singing, and cooking? I don't know why you're implying all the Hololive girls have no competency in any of these either when they do.

>> No.947047

>>945256
It isn't even just not exploring outside I don't think. A lot of these people have will have heard next to nothing but unchallenged negative narratives about Nijisanji in their threads since they started watching vtubers, while hearing next to nothing good about them, and some of their only interaction with the company besides that being falseflagging trolls. The amount of bizarre exaggerations, strange generalisations from edge cases or straight up falsehoods painting the company in a negative light that I have seen people think are true since more mixing started happening because of this board is really surprising.

>> No.947081

>>946868
I personally see this similar kind of mentality in gacha/game.
Like "You roll/play for male character, are you cuck/homo" thing, feels like these day you shouldn't enjoy anything that has male in it.

>> No.947159

>>946789
Basically this

>> No.947213

>>941212
But I don't...

>> No.947273

>>946789
How I see it is that it's easy to get into the Hololive ecosystem since they're constantly promoting each other and have the whole "group" mentality.
Some of the Nijisanji fans I know basically just stick to their favorite individual livers and don't really care for anyone else. Not to mention that some people started off not even knowing said liver was in Nijisanji to begin with (some don't really advertise that they're part of it).

>> No.951039

>>945339
The only thing you're right is about Raito being an asshole. Chitose left Nijisanji to purse a music career and I'm pretty sure they have a base salary as well outside of the extra things like merchandise, voice packs and superchat.

>> No.951102
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951102

WHY IS UI SO FUCKING HOT JESUS FUCKING CHRIST I WANT TO SPLIT HER IN HALF ON MY FUCKING COCK GOD FUCKING DAMN

>> No.951233

>>951039
>I'm pretty sure they have a base salary as well outside of the extra things like merchandise, voice packs and superchat.
They did, the video basically Gwelu manage to clear his so called six million yen Bridal loan thanks to becoming vtuber.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05uGWTD4vWo

>> No.951288

>>947273
But even with hololive that's very untrue because there's not a single person who can watch 50 of them. I'm subbed but I barely can watch 5 of them, and I think this is very true for them. Seems the same in Nijisanji where you'll pick the ones you like and go on with them, not literally picking so many.

>> No.951385

Hololive is a connected community, that's the appeal of it. Watching random indies when you know they're not gonna interact with anyone except for very occasionally just isn't my thing.

>> No.951408

>>951288
It's really not the same though. Hololive has frequent big scheduled events and waves where many of their talents all do the same thing. It's happening again right now with Undertale. There's just a solidarity that other agencies lack, and you can take advantage of that high level of organization to familiarize yourself with the whole group dynamic by just watching a handful of key moments

>> No.951415

>>946789
But this doesn't mean you need to watch all people, just try a few. From what I understand from OP, they mean that vtuber fans should try vtubers outside of hololive more, be it from nijisanji or not. And honestly I agree with them because holofags are very closed into their own agency and don't try others, losing a lot of fun and talented vtubers in result.

>> No.951485

>>951408
>Hololive has frequent big scheduled events and waves where many of their talents all do the same thing.
So does Nijisanji?

>> No.951614

>>951408

Nijisanji had a Mario Kart Tournament, RPS Tournament, and Mahjong tournament all within the same month. They hold just as many group wided events, if not more than HL.

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>>941212
It's best if we let people like that contain themselves to one or two agencies. I wouldn't want to see all the Vtuber's chats get overrun by off-topic English/Spanish/Russian comments.

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>>941577

>> No.952912

>>951408
just say you don't have time to watch nijis like in that first post and be done with it instead of pulling narratives out of your ass

>> No.952956
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952956

You either watch one or watch EVERYONE there is NO middle ground!

>> No.952984

>>951485
Nijisanji sounds like a ripoff ramen brand

>> No.953558

>>952984
console wars in vtubers.. I never imagined I would have to see that when I began watching Kizuna Ai in 2017.

>> No.956485

>>952956

Let's name all the great moments that holo-onlyfags missed out on:
Qu Qualia being cracked
Big Star being てぇてぇ
Odabonu crying
Fuwa kicking a door down
Pakael being cracked
Hoshikawa falling off the map
NoseKuzuRan

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956521

>>941212
I like Hololive because they kicked out chinks. The end.

>> No.960237

>>941212
I don't have brand loyalty to vtubers. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna follow vtubers from several different agencies either. My time is limited and I have better things to do than learn about 10000000 different vtubers.

>> No.960360

>>960237
Like post here? Sure you do.

>> No.960402

>>941212
Because Nijisanji is great while hololive is shit. Simple as.

>> No.960432

Why don't the other agencies do something worth caring about.

>> No.960452

>>956485
look at all this literally who shit I'm missing out

>> No.960459

>>960432
This. Hololive just brings nothing to the table.

>> No.960485

>>960459
for your joke to work, hololive needs to have some actual competition and not be so far ahead of everyone else

>> No.960517

>>960485
Joke?

>> No.960536

unfortunately
brand = streaming style

>> No.960569

They have different appeals.

Hololive = idolshit
Nijisanji = gamers

>> No.961492

I used to watch some Niji chuubas as well when I was first getting into the scene but I've since dropped them all. Ange and Gundou Mirei because the more I watched them the nastier they seemed, the rest because I got into them through their collabs and not their solo stuff, so as soon as they found a new collab partner I lost interest. Nijis stopped getting recommended to me so the usual way I'd be introduced to different chuubas was through Hololive collabs or new gens. I still watch VOMS occasionally and some indies but otherwise it's only Hololive

>> No.961643

You're all completely insane.

>> No.963638

>>960360
Yeah, like post here. Takes like 5 seconds to make a post here vs at least a hour to watch a vtuber stream.

>> No.971100

>>953558
Do your archive reps, the vyt thread was shitting on Ai-chan when she was on top. Its always been this way.

>> No.971257

>>956485
Kuzuha being stuck at the bottom of the ocean while no one helps him is legendary to me.

>> No.971828

patra is good, she is a 35p and finished all the games she plays, she fucking play all the metal gear games (even rising) and then she play Mesal Gear Solid

>> No.973934

>>941212
Nijisanji > holoshit
Discuss

>> No.978530

>>941212
>female
eww, non of these girl are half as fun as male like Chaika, Tenkaiji or Akkun

>> No.979780

>>951408
774 does that even more frequently and they have more tight knit group feeling

>> No.979959

>>941212
I don't?
I watch Mori, while still able to watch a bunch of Nijis, and one Indie.

>> No.980276

>>941212
Because there are TOO MANY vtubers.

>> No.980571

>>973934
>Entertainers>Idorus
Simple as

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