Idols vs Streamers

[Anonymous No.]

At the end of the day HoloJP is an actual idol agency while EN is just a streamer group disguised as one. This is why EN will never have that same "feel" as JP.

[Anonymous No.]

This is why idol rules should have been enforced properly on people like Mori. EN1 has lost all it's charm now and are no different to Twitch streamers.

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>>9386093
>This is why EN will never have that same "feel" as JP.
It's because EN managers have the branch on the tightest leash imaginable because western women can't fucking control themselves. If they had the same freedoms as JP they'd spew political shit in a heartbeat. Western women and EN were a mistake and Holo should just stick to Eastern countries.

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>>9386093

Actual idols and the people that like them are creepy. I was extremely relieved that EN doesn't have that "feel" because I don't want some obese psychopath stalking and murdering the streamer I like because she interacted with a male streamer for two seconds or something.

[Anonymous No.]

Feel isn't a good enough descriptor. What functional differences would you say separates EN from JP? What makes JP inherently more idol-like than EN? I assume you watch enough JP to know.

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>>9386256
No lives. No dance lesson. No interest from the streamers to do any of that.

[Anonymous No.]

Isn’t holojp technically the ‘Hololive Idol Project’? EN isn’t even part of it.

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>>9386093
>HoloJP is an actual idol agency
You make the bait too obvious, try harder next time

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>>9386281
Continental divides and general inaccessibility to a studio will do that to you. I doubt Cover would even invest in so doing.

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>>9386093
>disguised as one
There's no disguise, EN is flat out a western gamer group, There's no resemblance to JP at all. Kiara was the only one who even gave a shit about being hololive in the first place

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>>9386093
Yep, and thats what makes EN way better.
No one needs that Idol shit

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>>9386288

Exactly. That's literally why they don't have "generations" either.

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>>9386281
>No interest from the streamers to do any of that.
Gura has shown interest, and Kiara is literally an ex-idol

[Anonymous No.]

>>9386281
Watch streams

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>>9386093
>HoloJP is an actual idol agency
No its not.

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>>9386093

Some people actually just watch streamers because they're funny and not because we're deranged incels that need to pretend a literal stranger that is half fictional is somehow romantically involved with us.

[Anonymous No.]

I fucked up and undercooked chicken breast and then ate it, now my tummy feels funny in a bad way. So one cheer me up plz.

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>>9386281
And karaoke doesn't count either. I think only Kiara and Baelz have even mentioned wanting to perform with their senpais, I feel bad that they weren't able to join JP

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>>9386408
Which streams

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>>9386093
>>9386212
Vtuber is now the hobby of the sex-having white man. Go back to crying in the corner idolfags.

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>>9386466
If your head starts throbbing it means you are about to puke.

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>>9386093
Wrong, the one difference is how little the EN talents collaborate compared to the JP ones, but that is because they're restricted to just games. They have no office with which to do silly things like anime shorts, hell no EN has made their 3D debut even after a year.
JP honestly needs no more streamers. Cover should focus on finding knew ones for the West, but goddamn only two girls in Council are even remotely interesting, and the best talent IMO barely has any traction compared to her boring genmates.
TL;DR
Not a lot of people to collab with, no office to go to and make projects, western talents aren't very good.

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>>9386093
Fuck you retarded idol niggers. HoloJP are not idols. Closest is Sora and Azki. The rest are just variety/video game streamers that don't put in any of the work that real idols do. Real idols have to actually put in work to learn how to sing and dance. Holos can't even be assed to dance good despite taking lessons like once a year and over half of them can't even fucking sing. It's a fucking miracle schizo jap idol fans haven't gone after holos for claiming to be idols while putting in nowhere near as much effort.

[Anonymous No.]

And now thanks to that fake image the vtuber fandom is full of retards that think every company not named Vshojo is an idol company too.

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>>9386580
>HoloJP are not idols.
Go ahead you fucking dense gorilla. Ignore all the shows and singing that the HoloJPs do so you can pretend you are right, fucking retard.

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And that's a good thing. HoloJP is a laughingstock to anyone who isn't a holobrony.

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>>9386585
This. Hololive should have died before it started, it's a disaster for vtubing.

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>>9386580
They do put the effort, they're just dogshit at it, sometimes you just don't have the talent to dance or sing

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>>9386560
Cover puts their EN talents on so many different continents it is like fucking bingo to them. They are covering time slots for streaming, there is no intention to set up a studio anywhere ever.

[Anonymous No.]

Non-Japanese countries don't really have the concept of AIDORUS, them being streamers who occasionally do a song is something westerners can 'get'.

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>>9386585
>>9386715
Or NijiEN could just stop larping as pseudo-seiso. I don’t think that even Selen cares for it, all things considered.

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>>9386772
I realize that. I'm explaining why EN and JP will never have the same feel.

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>>9386232
>political shit

I genuinely don't think Ina, Gura or Calli have meaningful opinions on politics and Ame shuts down political discussions. Kiara seems to be the one who would retweet TRANS LIVES MATTER if she had the chance, but rather than genuine activism I think she only does stuff like that to draw attention to herself. I don't think any of them are true believers in any political movement.

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>>9386406
>ex-idol

In what way?


>>9386466
Yeah you might need medicine rather than headpats, anon-chama.

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>>9386093
The problem isn't about them being a streamer group. The problem is idols and idolfags, you've got it all backwards.

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>>9386913
>In what way?
in a literal way

[Anonymous No.]

BTW you can't shittalk Vshojo or Nijisanji for being dirty and whore-like and then proceed to praise EN for doing essentially the same things.

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>>9387018
Yes I can.

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>>9386833
Anon, the seiso shit is basically just to make fun of Hololive indirectly. Nobody takes it seriously and nobody wants them to be seiso. It's literally ironic. That's why it's good.

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>>9386093
Yet EN is a massive success and JP is a mixed bag of success and outright failures.

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>>9387018
You quite literally can, though.

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>>9386833
Only Petra and Elira seem to care about their "seiso" image in the slightest.
Pomu is an ojiisan in a woman's body, Finana uses it ironically to farm "X"s in chat, Selen is Selen, and Rosemi is naturally sweet but goes full retard from time to time like her 100k celebration.
If anything I'd say the rest should drop the act completely.

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>>9387043
>>9387070
So you just admit to being massive hypocrites?

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>>9387018
holoEN never talks about periods and how many dicks they sucked

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>>9387018
The same behaviour in Japan does not carry the same political/social baggage that it does in the west. When a western whore acts like a whore, it comes with a lot of other implications. When a Japanese girl acts like a whore, it's okay.

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>>9386093
HoloJP has massive whores like Marine, Matsuri and Haato while HoloEN is 'family friendly' in comparison. It depends the way you see it.

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>>9387069
>EN is a massive success and JP is a mixed bag of success and outright failures
Only EN that gets better numbers than the JPs is Gura so that sentence makes 0 sense.

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>>9386232
rent free

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>>9386093
They are idols

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>>9387123
>the JPs
that's a broad concept, could be Pekora or Aki

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>>9386408
> he missed Ame and Gura dancing streams

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>>9386833
Anon, Pomu the literal idolfag has talked about past relationships on stream and no one except dumb holofags here cared. Selen's best collab was with the indog fisherman. NijiEN doesn't give a fuck about being seiso.

[Anonymous No.]

Here in the west we will never have respect for japanese idols because we don't have respect for nips in general. We think they are just le funny people that can't speak english and do some bizarre shit once in a while.
It is what it is

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>>9386988
So you're saying she went to moonland and became a moon idol princess?

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>>9387123
You're taking the top of the JP branch and using it to represent the entire thing. Don't be dishonest.

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>>9386833
>Pseudo-seiso
>Feesh constantly talking about how she did the spicy noodle challenge with Pomf and the others but she liked the noodles so much she eats them normally now but they make her tummy upset and gives her the shits

I don't know what is seiso about nijien.

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>>9387186
I'm just saying your sentence was disingenuous since EN has it's own "failures" as well.
>Kiara
>Ame
>Most of EN2

>>9387249
No I called him out for doing that with EN. How are you flipping it on to me?

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>>9386860

Gura is the most likely to be american conservative really. She finds southern/country stuff too legitimately entertaining where a more serious stick in the mud would say its "problematic". And she sang some Sabaton stuff that sort of person would go so far as to call a "racist dog-whistle". That plus her clear distaste for twitter. I think theres no way in hell shes a secret twitter activist or something.

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>>9387306
>Ame and EN 2 are failures
Nobody show him the clock's numbers...

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>>9387101
I think the difference is that japanese whores don't detail their dirty laundry while western women seem proud of being gross and stupid.

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>>9387018
> essentially the same things
Eigo wa muzukashii, eh? Where's EN talking about drinking cum and sucking dicks?

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>>9387372
>Most of EN2
Are you just incapable of reading sentences correctly?

[Anonymous No.]

idol culture is dumb and JP is definitely not idol culture for the most part

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>>9387306

Kiara and Ame have both had sponsorships and successful merchandise, which is the main thing cover wants from its streamers. People here vastly overestimate the importance of superchats, they probably treat them more like tips. The most important thing is total views and the potential to turn that into external income.

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>>9387403
Give EN 2 a week or two.

[Anonymous No.]

People have more respect for korean idols than for japanese idols

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>>9387217
Why is the R18 tag removed, then? Just put it back up.

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>>9387416
Nobody here watches streams, they just see a JO member like Suisei and think that everyone on that side is an idol.

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>>9387306
>your sentence
oh I was not that anon I was pointing that out. But anyway, nobody in Hololive (not even the IDs) is actually a "failure" since they are not making Cover lose money

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>>9387346
Who the fuck thinks Sabaton or gura singing Sabaton is a racist dog whistle?

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>>9387465
I'm not actually calling them failures which is why I put them in quotations. I just don't agree that EN is more successful than JP like you were implying. They have vast differences in popularity too just like JP.

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>if they don't have 3D it's not idol!
This is just discrimination. Karaoke counts if they sing like idols(I'll describe it as positive/energetic/feminine/fan services). Before Gen 5 got their 3D Nene practicing for her monthly utawaku and Polka's 2 hours endurace live are very idol-like. You can never tell me those early streams aren't idol. Kiara is just like that too, Gura kind of just does whatever for her karaoke but she definitely sings like one in the Aikotoba III cover

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>>9387475
That's what people said about EN1.

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>>9387018

Hololive does a decent job of keeping it to innuendos with only the rare explicit slip here and there. They enforce it because it makes them more likely to get corporate sponsors, not for any moral or cultural reasons like some of you guys seem to think.

[Anonymous No.]

If not for coof EN would have had 3D now and doing Lives

[Anonymous No.]

Didn't nips stolen the word idol from a frog movie that they don't even understand

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>>9386093
they are all products of society (just like incels) yes it’s sad some had bf’s or were sexually active but also on the flip side Japanese girls stay virgin more often true, but then go clazy and just do suicide. there’s no perfect answer or solution!! just chill out and enjoy unironically what you have because it can always be worst
they are doing their best, and shining and thriving now and always improving and that is basically the best western idols can be, they are idols!!

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>>9387611
>hasn't seen the Ollie yab

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>>9387557

Twitter weirdos. That's exactly why I don't think Gura could be one. She's either a normie or leans the other direction.

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>>9387600
They went further with gen 2 and got girls with boyfriends. They don't care anymore.

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>>9387680
Based puroduza-san.

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>>9387498
Only one removed her R18 tag, Petra, because she did not want it herself. It wasn't some directive from NijiEN management to be more 'seiso'. None of the others removed their R18 tag.

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>>9387680

They go crazy because expecting them to have no relationships and no family is extremely inhumane. It's expecting this person to entertain you for years, inevitably end up alone and out of work once they're too old to sing and dance and be cute, and then die alone as their older family died and they lost their opportunity to have kids. Being a "pure asian idol" means dying alone some day anon. I don't understand why the japs and koreans don't consider that. I can only hope that the ones that are expected to go through that can at least have plenty of friends to have around. But what do you do when you're the youngest idol?

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>>9387913
nobody forces Hololive girls to not have relationships

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>>9387736
That's what people said about EN1.

[Anonymous No.]

AVG viewership
EN
>Gura 20,140
>Ame 8,894
>Ina 8,521
>Kiara 6,912
>Mori 6,243
JP
>Pekora 20,952
>Marine 19,911
>Ayame 17,468
>Miko 14,959
>Aqua 14,913
>Suisei 13,666
>Subaru 12,619
>Botan 11,107
>Rushia 10,074
Yeah abandoning idol culture really did wonders for EN huh?

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>>9388063
it seems to do wonders for Marine

[Anonymous No.]

>>9388127
Marine is an idol

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>>9388143
who never acts the role

[Anonymous No.]

>>9388063
EN has a different version of idol culture than JP.
JP has a different version of idol cuture than AKB48.

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>>9386560
HoloJP basically all live within a 1 hour train ride radius of each other, what with all being in Japan, and most of them living in the greater Tokyo area. Like you said, they can all go to the same office to do the big corpo group stuff, but the proximity has even more intangible benefits. They can easily offcollab, or just hang out on a whim, which is invaluable to build chemistry.
A lot of them already knew each other before from being in the same nico circles, another asset.
And being all japanese, they're culturally homogeneous, both in the general sense that they share the same customs and know what is expected of them/ how to play their role, and specifically how to commit to their character as an anime girl /idol, or they are at least familiar enough with it and it's not a "foreign concept" to them.

HoloEN is scattered all over the world, and even if they are on the same continent, america for example is huge. So offcollabs are a no go, they can only hang out over discord which is no substitute for the real thing. Timezones are another bitch, which further inhibits spontaneity.
Management seems extra retarded for this branch, being too much of a red tape.
Personality-wise, there are too many introverts/passive/wet blankets. Culturally they mesh less well, and the western individualistic background places less importance on forming groups. Anime and idol culture is more foreign to them and they have more difficulty committing to the character, more often they just treat it ironically and make it "cringe", basically just being a "streamer with an anime avatar".

NijiEN, while sharing some of the general problems, have some things going for them. Personality-wise there are less wet blankets, so the chemistry is much better, much quicker. They are not afraid to hop on each others streams spontaneously, and there seems to be less retarded management getting in the way of it.
I do still like the EN1s and watch them, but I feel nothing for EN2 so far and am rather watching NijiEN over them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9388203
Said it before and I will say it again.
HoloJP > NijiJP > Vshojo > HoloID > HoloEN = NijiEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>9388063
The sad thing is I've seen western fans saying how they don't want idol element, how it's weird and shit on "idol songs". They have no taste and probably treat it as a mere yagoo meme

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>>9388322
>>9388203
Said it before and I will say it again for nijiniggers invading this another holo thread again:
HoloJP > HoloEN > > Vshojo > HoloID > indies>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SHIT = NijiJP
=NijiEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>9388063
Ibrahim Nijisanji 19k

Hmm, how will Ayame recover knowing that he is much more of an idol than she is?

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>>9387089
Yes. Scared?

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>>9386093
>Get no attention in /hlgg/
>Makes a thread afterwards
Kek, what a bitch

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>>9387913
You know they can just graduate when they want and get boyfriends right
They stick with it because being an idol doesn't require you to be incredibly good at anything in particular and they get that attention that women love and decent money

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>>9386093
Anon, in their applications is written that they want more ''streamer-like'' people than idols, what's the point of this thread anyways?

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>>9388338
Idol stuff is deranged and leads to extremely disillusioned people who'll freak out if their oshi has a bf or doesn't act idol-like. That kind of behavior needs to stop.
I'd much rather have EN branch be closer to regular streamers than idols.

[Anonymous No.]

>op: massive fag post
>posters: reply
now that the dust has settled, who was in the wrong here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9388703
Your mom for birthing you.

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>>9388619
Sorry Anon

>They will wear the cute outfits
>They will do performative yuri
>They will perform on stage
>They will tell you sweet little lies about how they totally love you
>They will be raped by OmegaAlpha in the casting couch

[Anonymous No.]

>>9388619
Ok Twitch zoomer

[Anonymous No.]

>>9388338
You don't understand how western see nip culture.
We think japs are just bizarre people that are funny we don't respect then.

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>>9386093
What about ID?

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>>9388063
Wow, Gura, Pekora and Marine are truly the most idol-like vtubers.

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>>9388891
they're asian, so Ken-sama refugees from /jp/ don't sperg about them because they're not "western whores" that will ruin muh honorable pure idols folded 1000 times

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>>9386478
there was a rrat that Kiara was supposed to actually be in Polka's slot in gen 5, but got bumped to EN when Polka became available.

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>>9388451
>>9388947
Just pointing out that trashy western "streamers" only have 1 member above 10k while "Idols" have 10

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>>9388619
Then they shouldn't have auditioned for Hololive Idol Project.

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>>9388063
None of the JPs you listed are even close to idol like. You might want to look up what that word means before using it again. All of those are streamers first and foremost.

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>>9389024
And you should stop watching clips and learn some Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>9389011
Both of them only have one member with 20k.

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>>9388619
I don't have to support idol culture to not want to feel cucked by my oshi.

[Anonymous No.]

Most western streamers make AWAY more money than hololive together.
Look at ninja he literally got paid 60 MILLIONS to move from twitch to mixer and xqc has a 4 million contract with twitch. Japan don't have this kind of money to pay for streamers because they don't know how the internet works

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>>9386524
This. Permavirgin unicorns have no place here, the chuubas belong to regular weebs now.

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>>9389051
...are you actually retarded or just pretending not to understand my point?

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>>9388947
You telling me yor are not sacrificing an ox for Pekora-sama, Marine-sama and Gura-sama?

Herectic, you will be burned on the stake as a sacrifice for Haachama

[Anonymous No.]

>>9389009
Kiara debunked it

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>>9389018
https://hololive.hololivepro.com/en/news/20210830-001/

Take a look at their official new website opening announcement. Notice how the word idol isn't anywhere to be found on there? Even Hololive is moving away from this idol stuff. Yagoo also referred to them as a "virtual entertainment group" in his hololive recap video. Hololive is no longer trying to be an idol agency, and no amount of cope from you or other idolfags will change that.

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>>9387465
Ame has had exactly 3 sponsored streams. Two were ones all of EN had to do and one was one that was forced on her by mangement and she waited to the last possible day to do it. She herself says she probably isn't a safe choice for sponsored streams because of her content.

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>>9389045
I'm working on it! Doing my reps daily but I'm not quite good enough to understand full conversations yet, especially in collab streams.

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>>9386093
WoW maybe thats why every EN has better numbers than JP... W0w who woulda guessed- people watch vtubers for the "content creator" part not for the idol larp.

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>>9389054
The fact that you feel cucked by the thought of your oshi potentially having a bf means that you’re part of the problem, I’m sorry anon.

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>>9389206
>>9388063

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>>9388322
NijiEN is better than HoloID. NijiEN are all fucking beyond talented and have amazing chemistry with each other and those they collab with. Niji's plan for EN is working and HoloEN is already starting to look desperate.

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>>9386093
Good.

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>>9386281
>No lives
but that's true for all of them, anonchama

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>>9388063
Out of the 5 from EN you chose, they are lower than the top 8 from all of JP? That is pretty telling that they get better numbers than JP which has way more members than EN. You played yourself anon

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>>9386093
i do not care about idol, singing or even streamers i just want to watch funny dog play game from 20 years ago

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>>9386343
Cover doesn't pay for Lives even for JP

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>>9389084
Anyone in the west make more money than hololive. Amouranth said that she made 5 millions in 6 month thanks to the bathtub streams. Ludwig made 3 millions in 1 MONTH.
If cover was really smart they would make a exclusive contract with youtube NOW. Youtube just paid a few millions to bring timthetatman, lupo and other streamers. They would paid easy 10/15 millions for the holos

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>>9388063
>>9389246
Show all of the JP not just top JP. Then also add all viewership not just live viewership. Then we'll talk.

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>>9389444
>>9389516
He's malding

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>>9386093
Funny enough HoloJP who is claimed as idols seems to have more freedom than HoloEN who can't even curse and almost dont collab outside Hololive bubble

[Anonymous No.]

>>9389542
>haha epicly owned xD

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>>9386860
The only people I think actually have legitimate political opinions are: Kiara (for the attentionwhoring), and Ame (not really a secret).
Though I do think Mori is probably leaning left (since rap is inherently liberal)

In JP it's Choco and Botan.
I personally think Choco is a right leaning person, probably part netouyo (since she keeps pushing this Taiwan is not China shit, and Hong Kong).
I think Botan has knowlegable opinions about politics but obviously keeps it to himself. I legit think the "I want to do stocks" thing was not a joke.

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>>9387239
Yes.

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>>9387346
>She finds southern/country stuff too legitimately entertaining where a more serious stick in the mud would say its "problematic"
Tell me how you've never spoken to a country leftist.

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>>9386290
>because they play games, they aren't idols!
meanwhile
>half of the roster on stream: "I wanna be a/be a better idol!"
>same part of that roster: multiple shows a year, dancing/singing/acting lessons very often
>some of that same roster, on their roommates: "I work as an idol!"
>some of that same roster: literally have been members of idol groups
>the company that hired them: calls them idols explicitly

I would have less of an issue pretending you had a point if the same people making this claim didn't also claim alternative/counter-culture 'idols' were also idols

Some members aren't idols. Even musical ones like Towa, and maybe Watame. But most still are and abide by idol expectations, period

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>>9388063
I think the idol part in HoloJP does make their fans more loyal. EN bled so many viewers compared to how they started. Also NijiEN is garbage tier too however I'll say this: they might be better than a huge portion of NijiJP which is the definition of normal streamers groop but with Vtuber avatars. Only their top dogs are good for hosting events.

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>>9387557
Are you intentionally baiting or are you another containment board escapee? Disregarding the fact that Sabaton's entire schtick is based upon a cringe and juvenile historical fetishizing, it's basically white power music in all but name. I mean just look at this shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us2ylGAwBnk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVWEb-At8yc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxlRJsQ7p2k

It's pretty sus that Gura actually likes Sabaton. She's probably deep in the racist closet, but given her roommate's past, that would be unsurprising.

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>>9387416
The majority of JP has out and out said they won't collab with men, especially post-sankisei.
A love ban is absolutely idol culture.

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>>9388172
>idols can't be horny
One of several ways managers would energize idols for a performance is to enforce a love ban and then make sure that all the stylists before a performance are extremely attractive homosexual men dressed like an idolbuta to make sure they get horny and project that energy towards their fans

[Anonymous No.]

>>9389978
>Sabaton's entire schtick is based upon a cringe and juvenile historical fetishizing
>it's basically white power music in all but name
These are the same sentence.

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>>9389978
didn't know filiming your hands while you play with your dolls was a racist dogwhistle

[Anonymous No.]

>>9387913
You know they can just get another job right

[Anonymous No.]

>>9390057
>One of several ways managers would energize idols for a performance is to enforce a love ban
and according to Matsuri, it doesn't happen in Hololive

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>>9389791
>I think the idol part in HoloJP does make their fans more loyal.
>genuine emotional connections make people loyal
Who woulda thunk
There's no room for public displays of weakness in the west though, you must always be the person that walks away and has no attachments ever
Reap what you sow

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>>9390190
>genuine emotional connections make people loyal

Look up the meaning of "kayfabe" and then come back when you're not so embarrassingly stupid.

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>>9390182
>according to Matsuri
The most reputable and well-balanced source of information one could possibly have
Hololive is pushing idolfaggotry nowadays even more than back when they first banned Holostars/Hololive collabs
If Coco of all people backpedaled hard enough to blame drugs on a single chat message in a homo chat, I think there's quite clearly some impl8ed pressure behind the scenes

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>>9390264
Your post could be interpreted in more than one way, elaborate
Also, learn the difference between a parasocial relationship and kayfabe

[Anonymous No.]

>>9389770
see >>9389156
your points might apply to a part of JP branch, but for EN theu are actively avoiding the idol stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>JP
Japan as a country isn't a politically charged. It's literally a national problem. The people there don't care about politics except for the elderly

[Anonymous No.]

>>9390264
He means from the fans, I think

[Anonymous No.]

>>9389685
>Choco stuff
Wait, what?

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>>9388192
/thread

Call them idol if you want, the norm for hololive (and even worse for vtubing in general) is nowhere near actual AKB48-like idol culture. EOPs are always vastly over-exagerating the JP "idolness" and undermining the EN. But really in a certain way all of them are idol and none of them are. The stuff that is acceptable or not is completely different between EN and JP and completely different from say AKB48, they play in different field.

Also vtubing is still young and not set in stone. As proven by the "matsuri line" that was supposed to be never broken, until Marine broke it and Coco broke it even further. At this point I think not even Cover knows what should be acceptable or not. Beside, you know, avoiding problem with youtube.

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>>9390299
>Matsuri, a Gen 1 Hololive member
>anon's shit-stained asshole
I wonder wich one is a better source

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>>9390402
You realize that post is utilizing months old outdated unimportant info that has since been made irrelevant because of multiple references to the talents as idols afterwards?

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>>9390513
>Matsuri, a menhera with attitude issues who deliberately sabotages herself and has admitted to being an attentionwhore
>anon, not a menhera, who watches streams of other holos, most of which do not stream with men nowadays even if they have done so before, and talk about idol lessons all the time

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>>9390402
They try to play on both fields, they want to hook the idolfags and people looking for GFE, but they don't want to officially call them idols because they aren't doing half the stuff required to call them that.

The result is a entertaining that is vaguely inspired by idol culture but without all the constraint. It's not new really, a lot of fields in Japan gets inspired by idol culture from hostess bar, to rental girlfriend, to voice acting, to porn actress and even prostitution. They are idol-like, but without all that seiso bullshit.

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>>9390678
>anon
>not a menhera

[Anonymous No.]

>>9386093
at the end of the day, OP is still a faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9390788
men can't be menhera

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>>9390940
>/vt/
>not a bunch of women arguing over bullshit
Anon....

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>>9390940
either you're wrong or this board is full of women

[Anonymous No.]

>>9386466
Fiddle with your throat clitoris and force yourself to vomit, fuckin ez

[Anonymous No.]

>>9389172
It's not really the content of why she shouldn't do sponsored streams its more her just shitting on the game or pointing out flaws. She's just a really bad shill in general.

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>>9390758
https://youtu.be/k56Uzxfcy3s
The thing is they can make porn stars seiso too though...
For me they don't have to sing or dance to be idols. It's about (the illusion) of the girl going hard for their dreams by entertaining(it's actually pandering to, and that's a good thing) an audience for their support. Pekora showing up everyday with her energy, being professional and interacts with her fans, Korone going endurace trying to beat a game, keeping a smile for hours, are very idol-esque to me. EN streams always feel lazy although I dislike how she behaves sometimes, Kiara is the only one in Myth that has it. Sadly most western fans has shit taste and are weirdly proud of it.

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>>9387611
That's retarded and you know it. Nijisanji whores say whatever they like and get more sponsors than Hololive and after being surpasssed by them. Has nothing to do with sponsors. Hell, even management talked about their content direction around when EN debut'd iirc

[Anonymous No.]

>>9389085
you seriously have to go back

this isn't a place for normalfag ironic weebs that ruin everything they touch

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>>9386093
how do the ENfags cope with a fact that they will never have this?

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUp1t9SPBl6qX_WVUp9ukwe74S1_8BMHM

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>>9388407
Based
Except for Vwhorjo, you stupid nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>9388538
Really? Proof?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9391689
yes it is, that's why they split it off from /jp/. you're posting on /mlp/. i encourage you to bully the inhabitants but let's be realistic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9392060
Specifically for EN.
Proof is I keep up with rrats but I think Yagoo talked about it in some interviews

[Anonymous No.]

>>9392135
>source: trust me bro
Away with you, vile nigger!

[Anonymous No.]

Absolute newfag here, I don't care much for idol stuff. I'm just glad for the feel of there actually being an agency behind. Makes it a bit more TVlike I suppose.

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>>9389978
>One of the most mainstream heavy metal acts of the past decade
>Song about Belgians killing Nazis
>Song about 16th century Swiss guards protecting the Pope against rampaging mercenaries

Please help, my /pol/ reps aren't enough to crack this code.

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>>9392285
>TVLike
Oh my fucking god

[Anonymous No.]

>>9392285
You need to go back

[Anonymous No.]

>>9392341
You need to go back

[Anonymous No.]

>>9389009
Believe it was already debunked. Gen 5 was already locked in waaaay before Kiara applied for EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9386093
cuz of people like you retards, 80 percent of people watching vtubers pis and shit when someone isnt acting like and idol and candy and rainbows and shit, jesus fucking christ

[Anonymous No.]

>>9392902
Good. Go back to watching daily vlogs, tourist

[Anonymous No.]

>>9389009
>>9392772
>>9389146
I still don't see how Kiara simply saying "no" debunks that rrat, but I don't give a fuck anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>9392594
Where to? As I said, I've little experience solving racist riddles, so I'd appreciate any pointers a veteran /pol/tard such as yourself could give.

[Anonymous No.]

It's not necessarily about "idol."
For me, I love the "irl progression" part of Hololive.

Like:
>Holos meeting each other for the first time irl
>Luna learned to play a new song
>Suisei has a new cover/original song
>Subaru learning something new about otaku culture, like maid cafe/gacha/new anime
>tons of offline interaction: Disneyland, Crab pot/yakiniku/takoyaki party, Karaoke, 3D, Onsen, and stay over

I have been watching Hololive for two years now starting late 2019.

I never watch any ID or EN stream because of this.
I knew it from the start that they won't provide me the relationship progression I want to see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9386406
But I thought Kiara is an ex-wrestler?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9394510
>never watch EN

[Anonymous No.]

>>9386093
HoloJP is a streamer group larping as an idol agency. Real idols would have to shave their heads and dogeza for even half the things these girls say on a regular basis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9386093
EN was a mistake. /jp/ was right and has won. This is a containment board for cucks, newfags and shitters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9388063
Based whoreposter dabbing on ironic weeb EN kiddies

[Anonymous No.]

>>9389236
>>9388619
normalfags get the fuck off this website and out of my hobby

[Anonymous No.]

>>9388451
Playing with females literally debuffed him

[Anonymous No.]

>>9400207
You're hobby is already normalfag tier
enjoy your Watch Mojo countdowns and future Kid's React to vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9400497
Anon... It's going to be old reacts

[Anonymous No.]

>>9400711
>>9400497
Wait no, it's teen reacts and it already exists. Shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9400207
It was never your hobby.
You are a spectator. The game goes on whether you're here or not.

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>>9386093

not particularly true given how JP has a notable amount of people who are sexual degenerates and aren't afraid to express it. At times, even EN are more conservative about this than JP save for Kiara who at the worst just ogles women and men in video games. Apart from that, they both at times collab with guys but /vt/ told me to particularly hate when EN/ID collab with english speaking men. At the end of the day, I still consider both of them as idols

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>>9386093
Good. Idol culture is fucking stupid and will almost never catch on in America.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9386913
kiara is quite literally an actual idol anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>9400754
The feinstein brothers right a tight ship.

[Anonymous No.]

Unironically the most idolish idol in Hololive EN and coincidentally also the best streamer of Hololive EN, you can have your cake and eat it too

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>>9386093
Idol VTubers do not exist and have never existed. I have been saying this for over a year now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9387067
>nijiEN punching up

Aw, good for them!

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>>9386281
>the only thing I care about in my entertainment is that the streamer tells me they do dance lessons that I can't see behind the scenes
Mentally deranged.

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>>9411944
IRyS and Ina are unironically the only HoloENs who don't suck. The rest of them can graduate for all I care.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9393526
You're right it doesn't. Of course Kiara wouldn't admit to being passed up on

[Anonymous No.]

>>9393526
>literally quotes the answer to his question
je
sas
christ

[Anonymous No.]

>>9412083
No, I care about more. It is just that everything combined means that HoloEN are not idols, never will be, and don't want to be.