Anyone else just feel like the magic's gone from Holo?

[Anonymous No.]

I know the content of every stream before I even watch it.
>Kronii/Bae careerist management ball-sucking
>Kiara tries another guilt-trip to going to the shitty overbooked concerts where half the audience dies of covid the following week
>Gura's streams never happen because management is autismal about MUH BRAND RISK
>Ina streams for EXACTLY the one hour required and is obviously jumping ship as soon as the time to renew her contract arrives
etc. The girls just aren't allowed to innovate anymore and the shareholders (IE the ones making every meaningful decision without exception) are all bankers to who know as much about writing entertainment as they do about troubleshooting a reactor meltdown.

[Anonymous No.]

Look at this sexy cat

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>>92596198
every fauna stream is magic. every stream gg joins is magic. every beeg cat wheeze is magic. every autistic german giggle is magic. EVERY JP STREAM IS MAGIC. you're gay and retarded and should be killed with a hatchet.

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>>92596342
>every fauna stream is magic
>fauna
>not gone
... Do we tell him?

[Anonymous No.]

You seem to be focused entirely on en and specifically the first 2 gens.

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>>92596198
Kronii has gone after management harder than anyone else
Not her fault fauna is a dumb bitch

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>>92596198
Nah, Advent/Justice are great. You’re right that Myth/Promise’s magic is completely gone though.

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>>92596198
I don't blame Kronii for hating her fans because her fans were always creeps.
Bae... yeah, she let us down.

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>>92596513
That just shows how fake she is. Pretends to be this tough girl that stands up to big bad management, but when push comes to shove, she gargles their nuts.

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>>92596513
>gone after
Kronii's a poser. She complains about management and tries to pass herself as some kind of rebel, but she always follows all their dumb rules and parrots their corpospeeches to the letter when the orders come down.

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>>92596812
>>92596934
She has no problems complying with management if it means Fauna gets the door slammed behind her.
Enemy of my enemy.

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>>92596198
I watch VTubers to be entertained and to escape from RL's headaches. I don’t GAF about "innovative" craps

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>>92596337
Fpbp

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>>92596198
No one streams anymore so there aren’t any rrats or tabs anymore. Boring. Bet the girls all got risk management training by Cover. So boring

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>>92596198
>Gura's streams never happen because management is autismal about MUH BRAND RISK
And other hilarious lies chummies believe!

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>>92596590
>another attempt to recreate Gura made by psychopathic shareholders with zero grasp of why people loved Gura
>2 new gay sex pets for Kiara
>literally Nerissa but British. And a whore.
Justice was scraping the barrel desu

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>>92597146
Why are dramafaggots like this?

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>>92597281
You don't even read catalogue, let alone watch clips or streams

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>>92596337
fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

Myth retired, Council/Promise was a mistake. Thank God we have Advent and Justice

[Anonymous No.]

Myth was a bore that only succeeded due to a global pandemic

[Anonymous No.]

None of your newgen whores will surpass Gura. Get fucked.

[Anonymous No.]

>betrays her fans
>betrays her friends
>rat
Bravo Vince.

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>>92596198
They just grew too fast. A lot of people that called out how this would happen years ago were called schizos and antis and whatever, look at the state of it now. Like yeah sure, holoEN isn't exactly nijiEN where they have some form of controversy every week, which is their one and only trademark and content at this point, but they could certainly be better and it also isn't a pass to just let the random JP faceless management people ruin everything on purpose.

The thing is that holoEN were always corporate vtubers but they didn't FEEL corporate. Now they do. You can see it in their content and how much merch shilling has gone up, music and concert stuff too among other things such as taking breaks due to recordings and more and more "holoEN" slowly turning themselves into holoJP by actually moving to Japan and just staying within a JP schedule and JP bubble in general. Because of course Cover wants that too. It's all just kinda mediocre right now. Not awful, but there isn't any magic in what they do anymore most of the time, it's very by-the-book. It's gonna get to the point where more and more people will stop giving a fuck about graduations too as they become more common in the future and disagreements continue.

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>>92597636
Cold chicken status?

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>>92597726
>They just grew too fast.
Completely wrong. Holy shit what a retarded take.

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>>92597726
I know you're too young to remember, but there was this little thing called a pandemic that made Japan lock up and made it practically impossible for HoloEN to attend events properly.
This has always been the intended direction.

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>>92597636
Bet.

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>>92596198
I felt this way after Advent, but CC and Gigi have salvaged it for me.

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>>92597896
>thinking the word 'retard' is an argument
>presents no other arguments
This is basically wearing a giant neon sign that says 'Shill'. Buy an ad.

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>>92596198
I have to ask, are those Ame's lips or teeth?

[Anonymous No.]

>FWMC spend 100% of their stream time screaming at literally nothing
>biboo lolfunny teamkills for the seven-millionth time
>Nerissa doesn't speak and just fucks off to a different corner of the map to watch snuff porn on her phone
>shiori also speculates what the fuck is wrong with shiori
What is 'every advent collab ever' for 500?

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>>92596812
>>92596934
The sapling to holoanti pipeline is real

[Anonymous No.]

I'm only watches indies now, but I'll always treasures the memories with old Hololive

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>>92597642
But that's not Fauna though

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>>92598075
>retard
An argument requires a point to argue against. You didn't make a point, you just vomited your stupidity everywhere and asserted your retarded opinions as fact. You do not know what you're talking about. Multiple members of both Myth and Council/Promise stated that they were thankful that Advent debuted when they did because anyone who actually watched Hololive from 2020-2023 knew how fucking checked out multiple Holos were. Even if you're being generous the branch was half dead and that's not something you can afford when you're a fifth of the size of the JP branch because it puts a magnifying glass over the very blatant issue.

The current rate of gen releases is fine. They're keeping the branch active without flooding it. That's the ideal. Trying to claim that it now "feels corporate" is such a clueless, retarded take when anyone could just as easily spin that around and say it felt corporate when half the branch was burnt out by Jap bureaucracy. What if Hololive was still just Myth and Promise? Would you really want to sacrifice the activity brought by Advent and Justice for the sake of... what exactly? Keeping a small, "cozy" feeling? Absolutely fucking retarded reason to be content with the slow death of a branch. You do not know what you're talking about. Concession accepted. You are dismissed. Educate yourself before you respond to me.

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>>92596198
>he ONLY watches AND HAS EVER ONLY WATCHED HoloEn
The absolute fucking state.

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>>92598840
And? Your JP whores are irrelevant.

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>>92598920
What is your reasoning behind this? The company is completely carried by JP.
>inb4 Gura

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>>92598034
Same, no one in Advent grabbed me. At first I thought it was me being jaded but Justice proved me otherwise. Nothing personal against the girls, they are good. I just feel like they focus more on doing what is expected of them, participating in official Cover stuff and collabs, but they don't do much out of the box. Shiori does some weird streams in her corner but she is definitely not in my wavelength.
I feel like Justice did more things to grab me in these months than Advent did in a year and a half.
OP is a fag regardless.

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>>92599016
Nobody here watches them faggot. Western market is the future.

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>>92598719
>What if Hololive was still just Myth and Promise?
The only real active members would be Kiara, Mori and maybe Bae.
Now that's grim.

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>>92599136
I disagree. Anime is too distant in the west. For the Japanese, anime is just cartoons. Hololive is as accessible as Disney over in Japan but for us, it's an obscure niche.

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>>92596198
Move on. Hololive magic still exists, you just got stuck on old talents that are no longer active and haven't for years/retired.

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>>92596198
it died long ago, the one in the picture being one of the first culprits, but advent and justice brought it back

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>>92599821
If you wave that "post tempus newfag" flag any harder you are going to hit someone.

[Anonymous No.]

>using my oshi to shit post
>literally has to make shit up to shit on kiara
The sad thing is that op wasn't only retard to reply to this thread

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>>92596198
>oshi'ing lazy beaches
>oshi doesn't stream
>MAH HOLOLIVE MAGIC IS GONEEE

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>>92599136
I watch Korone, Subaru and Ririka, your statement is retarded.

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>>92600130
Even funnier with Gura when that has been her attitude even before becoming Gura
It's more plausible that management forces her to stream than the opposite

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>>92600130
more like oshit

[Anonymous No.]

I get why you feel that way. Advent and Justice are boring as shit.

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>>92600557
As opposed to fucking Myth?

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>>92600575
Myth at least has Gura. Even her vods are better than listening to a SEA whore make unfunny jokes about lunchly and hawk tuah.

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>>92600775
You mean had Gura.
Myth's roster on average is orders of magnitude below the other three and the only possible outlier might as well not exist.

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>>92596198
>Kiara tries another guilt-trip to going to the shitty overbooked concerts where half the audience dies of covid the following week
That and also the fact that most of KFP look like serial rapists are what keep me away from cons.
And also the fact that kiara hates men and only pretends to be nice to KFP to farm SCs.

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>>92600919
>kiara hates men
I mean can you blame her, given what she’s gone through?

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>>92596590
Advent is great, im warming up to Justice

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>>92597636

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>>92601199
Gura has more subs than Advent and Justice combined

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>>92596198
>the magic is gone
It went back in September.

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>>92601263
All of them might as well be dead subs because it's a dead channel

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>>92601280
So, this magic you speak of is watching a lazy whore constantly making excuses to not stream? Makes sense since Mumei and Gura are a part of it.

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>>92596198
Yeah, but I'm not sad, I'm happy it happened. I will preserve my memory of Ame and I won't ever taint it by watching her as Dooby. Same with Fauna.

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>>92601263
>The false flagging didn’t work in /ggg/ so let’s try it the other way
>They still aren’t taking the bait
Kek. Get fucked anti.

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>>92601318
>muh dead subs
Okay, let's look at recent relevance.

[Anonymous No.]

>Ao, former idol
>Isn't known as one, failed to become one in Hololive.

>Nenechi, former idol
>Isn't known as one, failed to become one in Hololive.

>Azki, former idol
>Isn't known as one and never will be

Just gut the idol portion of the company.. other than Suisei (formerly rejected idol), that prospect isn't worth pursuing. Let them all be streamers instead.. stop this forced idol stuff.

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>>92601485
Okay. Now show me an active channel.

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>>92599969
the homos were only a little part of the problem, ame was a bitch waaaay before that

[Anonymous No.]

>>92601445
>not watching dooby
Fake teammate detected.

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>>92596198
Hololive is sovlless

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>>92601543

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>>92601702
>All of them might as well be dead subs because it's a dead channel
>>92601318
You're the one moving the goalposts

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>>92601485
You killed him lmao

[Anonymous No.]

Nah, holo is only growing stronger now that they lazy whores are gone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>92601822
You can make your samefagging less obvious
I'm still waiting for you to address Gura's channel effectively being dead and rendering her subs equally dead

[Anonymous No.]

>>92602000
>Everyone is a samefag when I’m losing an argument

[Anonymous No.]

gigi is solo carrying holoen

[Anonymous No.]

>>92602130
>no argument

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>>92596198
get a new hobby
it's fine to no longer be a fan

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>>92602000
>samefagging
nope
>I'm still waiting for you to address Gura's channel effectively being dead and rendering her subs equally dead
The Google trends shows that Gura is significantly more relevant today so this cope is irrelevant. But as for the "dead channel" cope, Gura's recent vods have 300k-500k views on average while Bijou's struggle to get 150k.

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>>92596789
>Pesos
Of course it's a weird one

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>>92602312
>recent vods
I want you to take another look at how "recent" they are and how huge the gaps are between other vods, then come back.
Relevance is, ironically, irrelevant if the subject is still dead.
Also lol.

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>>92602169
Yeah

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>>92601563
What part of wanting to preserve my memory of Ame intact did you not understand retardo-kun?

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>>92596789
*cringes in mexican*

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>>92597896
One gen debut per year definitely feels too quick. After Council/Promise, there were far too many to reasonably keep up with. Even picking a fave in each gen isn't enough since too many meaningful interactions occur between every branches members. EN should have stopped at Advent, just for a while at least.

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>>92596198
No, it's just you anon and that's ok.

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>>92596789
god no wonder they have no actual girlfriends in real life if thats the way they talk

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>>92602942
>far too many
There were TWO and Justice was the last one before they slow down
My nigga, what the fuck do you think a whole fucking YEAR is anyway?

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>>92596198
hololive's golden era ended with coco, silver era with A-chan.

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>>92596198
Well it sounds like you only watch the shitty EN side branch that never had any "magic" to begin with.

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>>92596198
Too much Justice.

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>>92596198
Myth: Magic weak, but lingering.
Promise: It's broken, magic gone. Especially after today.
Advent / Justice: Magic 100% there at full strength.

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>>92596342
>every fauna stream is magic
Too bad she's on her way out.
>every stream gg joins is magic. every beeg cat wheeze is magic. every autistic german giggle is magic
Lol
Lmao
You might as well say the sound of your burp is magic with that logic

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>>92596590
Yeah, no. FWMC are the only good new hires but even they can get repetitive with their bau bau shit.

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>>92596198
Least obvious Niji falseflag.

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>>92601563
It's not the same anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

The old guard are generally fading out but the newer talent have a lot of energy. If you feel like the magic is gone, you are probably hung up on nostalgia for early days of Myth or Council. In which case yeah, the magic is kinda gone. Even the older talent who are still going strong are either refocusing outside EN or connecting with Advent/Justice.

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>>92601531
They can't stop, Hololive has spent too much money on office space and games to go for anything other tens of thousands of people buying merch at events.

[Anonymous No.]

They don't stream and lie about it. What do you expect. Eventually it all catches up. Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies.

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>>92596198
Move on then. Cover will do still make money. You could always find a 2view GFE asmr chuuba that will whisper your name for enough money to help you goon.

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>>92596198
Vtubers fad is dead, just some niche streamers and nothing else really now.

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>>92596789
>I don't blame Kronii for hating her fans because her fans were always creeps.
This. I don't even like Kronii, but I would never fault her for this. Her chat is fucking cringe. It's like its full Indians trying to compliment a white woman.

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>>92596198
>The girls just aren't allowed to innovate anymore

The Coughing Baby Stream
Mori's Weird Cat Horror ARG stream
Gigi's murder mystery stream
Nerissa's birthday variety show

And most of this was in the last few months.

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>>92606273
wow so exciting

[Anonymous No.]

>kiara promoting concerts and idol things is bad because it just is OKAY!
I fucking hate you drama tourist fucks. I hope your entire content gets destroyed by a meteor.

[Anonymous No.]

Why dont you just watch holostars if you care so much? You shill them on and on but you never watch them

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>>92606841
admit it, your oshi is lazy

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>>92596198
hololive died as soon as holoX debuted and the focus shifted entirely to shilling and IP-related shit. Everything is sterile, overly produced and merch-focused now.

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>>92599676
>>92599821
>>92599969

I like Advent, that's the new Promise for me, Justice kinda feels overall meh for me, really not into any of them except for maybe Raora. But Hololive does feel a bit flat lately.

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>>92596337
nice cat (forma de sexo)

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>>92597281
>literally Nerissa but British. And a whore
AKA Nerissa but British.

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>>92597921
and that is the problem. Nobody told us. We saw funny EN girls do funny streams - we liked it and supported it to have more of it.

But they took this support to make them to some dancers for virtual stage, using same setlist of JP songs, dressed up as ballerinas.

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>>92598008
> Fwmc has more subs than Biboo

With current rates, Biboo will barely reach 600k by the end of 2028.

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>>92598219
Teeth, tourist.

Bottom lip is thin pink thin line.

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>>92596198
GG and CC are better than Ame ever was. Ex-teammate here.

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>>92598719
It is corporate not because of new gens, but because of tons of sponsored streams, too much merch, too much limitations (they cannot even curse properly, this is ridiculous).

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>>92600919
I also hate men. It is why we bond, lmao.

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>>92596198
The magic was ruined when the faggot squad was announced.