/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>highest subscriber count in the group
>most super chatted on the entire platform
why aren’t these two treated like gods in the company?

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Gura's explosion in subs can be attributed mostly to her design. If we switched her design with Watson, Watson would be the one at 2 mil.

This isn't worthy of praise.

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>>925118
So what if she got the lucky pick in the design lottery? it still lead her to the most subs in the shortest time.

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Gura's conversion rate is fucking atrocious. She pulls less supas than people with a quarter of her subs and her estimated membership is low as fuck for her sub count.

Money > Views

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>>925093
I doubt Coco wants to be treated like Sora.

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>>925118
But Ame's design is better

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>>925093
Coco's nasal voice is a miracle of the universe. I never get tired of hearing it.

[Anonymous No.]

They killed off an entire branch for Coco.

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>>925118
>me
>imagining a detective shark
I'm sorry, but how is this not entertaining?

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>>925118
The Gura sperg is so easy to spot

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>>925734
/thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>925734
I KNEEL

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>>925093
>Favoritism in a company full of menheras?
Sounds like a recipe for disaster.

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>>925734
I'd kill an entire country for Coco. Specifically that criminal commie state occupying mainland China since the 50s.

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>>925093
Most plausible rrat I've read is that Enma refuses to collab with Coco because she pissed off the Zhangs and she thinks Coco might bring them to the EN girls' streams if they were to collab.

I have no clue about Gura. That shit baffles me.

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A lot of hololive members admire Coco and think she's extremely smart but she's still subject to senpai-kouhai dynamics as well as being subservient to her manager. Higher-ups are probably still pissed off at her about the China thing too.

Gura doesn't receive special treatment because hasn't done anything of consequence and her numbers are bullshit and everyone knows it, especially her. She's not influential in any way even within HoloEN. The moment interest in her started to wane HoloJP's interest in her also dropped like a sack of bricks.

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>>925918
>Higher-ups are probably still pissed off at her about the China thing too.
Probably not. They're probably pissed at China. They kowtowed but protected her. There's no chance they blame her for the situation.

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Also treatment in the company is not and will never be about muh numbers; it's about seniority, influence on the company's image, and who's the most connected.

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>>925118
Their designs and characters are customized to them, the only exception being Gen 3, so what you're proposing doesn't actually make sense.

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>>926286
>they're actually flat or boin boin IRL
I shouldn't get hard thinking about this, but...

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>>926286
Wait, are Calli's boobs SO BIG they actually SWAY AND BOUNC like that?

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>>926382
>>926408
Not customized to their bodies, the chuubas get a say in what their characters and designs are going to be, which is why Gura conveniently has the shark from the anime her old design was based on. Gen 3 is the exception because the designs were premade and they had applications with them shown in advance, IIRC.

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>>926408
They are not gigantic but I'll just say she could pull off cosplaying her own character. She is actually tall and busty.

Source: archive reps.

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i'm starting to get this chubby vibe from gura, like she's atop a pile of fat folds and potent vagina fumes

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>>926382
check noel's roommate

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>>925734
>finally have an excuse to cut off your infected hand to save the body
thank you based coco

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>>926507
>Mori will never pin you down and smother you with her breasts while you struggle for air and she giggles.
Suicide is the only option.

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>>925118
or you know her ability to make clips and her amazing singing ability which easily get millions of views. Her personality is unique and idiosyncrasies really help with her appeal of being just extremely cute.

Also this argument of design carrying her never made any sense in the first place. All the girls have input on their characters. Gura had a botch job for her rigging and a literal nobody as her designer. You can see this in her eye rigging, her shark hood (which she rightfully rarely uses), and expressions (like blushing or the stiff movement of her avatar) how poor of an effort they put into her in comparison to her genmates (Cover making clearly favoring Calliope). So the only aspect she had a influence in turned out to be amazing is clearly further proof she deserves the growth that she had.

Oh yeah loli design means guaranteed views, oh wait Anya is literally the worst performing ID2

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>>926621
>a literal nobody as her designer
The fact that Nacho functionally had billing next to guns as big as Huke is pretty awesome, she's a good artist and it's nice that she's got recognition from it.

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law of jante

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>>925118
She has 2 channels with 1M subs. She did it not once but twice. You cannot deny her powerlevel in entertaining the masses.

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>>925093
>>925734
>>925890
I'm not even a coconut and I can't believe they nuked CN and kept Coco but won't let her collab with EN, it's just so obvious a goldmine and all parties are enthusiastic. Never mind that chinks openly admit spamming EN is useless anyway. Maybe with Coco's chat finally on lockdown via liberal application of jannies they'll ease up.

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>>926783
Gura is probably the definition of effortless talent or a talent that frustrates you. It's no wonder she makes people seethe

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>>925093
>sub count because of memes and pedos
I should know I was on that train too

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>>925861
Based

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>>926806
Coco doesn't like people that speak better English than her.

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>>925093
>why aren’t these two treated like gods in the company
>t. never had a job
You never treat one person better when your business model is dependent on a group working together. Gura isn't even part of the main branch and therefore will never get the same treatment.

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>>925118
>Watson's retardation coming out of a loli model
Holy shit yes that's so much better

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>>925734
this is an actual fact

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>>926978
>Gura's aimlessness and inhibition being in-character as a regular human bean displaced in time and having an existential crisis
fuck we gotta go back

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>>926923
Ogey

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>>927068
She has that with her atlantian-out-of-water lore, but the two do have a lot of thematic synergy

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>>926806
EN doesn't want chinks coming after them and chumbuds fucked up an among us collab, that's why they won't hang with Coco/JP. I'm hoping they at least do a meme review with EN.

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>>925734
I guess OP was expecting a stream with public executions, just cutting them wasn't enough.

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>>925093
>highest subscriber count in the group
Coco just barely reached 1m, no?
Weren't there already like 4-5 jp girls above her?
Also I'm sure Coco gets treated very well. She gets away with a ton of shit.

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>>927699
There are two statements and two individuals, Anon.

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>>927699
Coco is the most super chatted, Rushia is another crazy-high earner.

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>>926621
>rigging is broken
Why don't they make fixes if it's broken?

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>>925093
Because they are both awful, for vastly different reasons, at PR. That's really it.

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>>926467
This is only true from Gen 4 onwards and even then it's not to the extent you think it is.

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>>925093
One is an unintentional business liability, the other is an unexpected breakout star of what was supposed to just be a side gig.

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>>926467
>Gen 3 is the exception because the designs were premade and they had applications with them shown in advance, IIRC.
They had designs pre-made a few months before gen 5 debuted, its likely they just pick out of a lineup.

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>>925093
As someone who was following Coco ever since her debut since Gen 4 was the first debuts I saw and I was an EOP I can say that Coco was definitely treated like a god. Coco was constantly pushing what was and wasn't allowed in Hololive for most of her career and she only got away with it because of her stunning success. It's a shame though as a long time fan that Coco has mellowed out a lot and now understands she doesn't even have to make an effort anymore to continue her success. I still love our bitch though

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>>925689
I doubt Coco would want to be treated like Sora. Hell, Sora doesn't even like being treated like Sora

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>>925118
>Gura's explosion in subs can be attributed mostly to her design.
>Flat lolis being popular with the average POCD riddled ironic weeb.
Gura's popularity stems from her being a massive memelord.

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>>925093
>Gura
>most superchatted
LOL

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>>933353
I think the second point is meant to apply to Coco, not that I checked.

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>>925118
Gura’s popularity has more to do with her shitposting personality and voice than just her design you sperg

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>>925093
>>925166
Gura's subscribers are mostly dead subs. Source:
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCoSrY_IQQVpmIRZ9Xf-y93g
You can also see this whenever she streams, despite having 2,200,000+ subscribers, barely anyone watches her stream these days. She has the one of the worst viewer retention percentage in all of Hololive because people just subscribed to her and get instantly bored by her lack of personality. She even gets outVOD'ed now, a Marine video hit more than a million views in just one day, Gura has never been able to do that, again because people only subbed for a cute design and got bored of her. It doesn't help that Gurafags are extremely cheap and never buy akasupas for her, she makes way less sc money than some of her genmates. Gura's only big number is not even legit because it's all fake fans.

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>>925093
Japanese company culture values more seniority over actual work/effort/talent. That's why Sora gets treated like a god in the company.

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>>933608
>Japanese company culture values more seniority over actual work/effort/talent
>he thinks Sora supports rather than completely disproves his statement
Sora is treated like she's the Virgin Mary not merely because she was the company's first talent but because arguably no one has done more than her to build Hololive's brand into what it is today. She was streaming to only 13 people on her first video and had to struggle for months to even get an audience. I'm not saying the later members aren't working hard--they absolutely are--but there's no question that they are where they are in large part due to the work of their forerunners, Sora most of all. Do you think that all of Gen 4 and Gen 5 would have gotten 80k subs BEFORE they even debuted if not for the brand power she helped to build?

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>>925093
a

she had me from the beginning

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>>933527
Gura gets millions of views on her archived singing streams, but those aren't on her channel.

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>>934116
*Unarchived, i mean

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>>925093
>most super chatted on the entire platform
That's Mori in En.

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>>933527
I stay subscribed for her singing. I think she needs to come out with covers and originals to fulfill her full potential.

[Anonymous No.]

>>933527
keep it up !!
https://youtu.be/DgYgsCmkqh8?t=14087

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>>934185
>>on the entire platform

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>>926529
She's actually a skinny Cannuck hapa who moved to the US as a kid (or atleast that's the rrat I've heard)

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>>925861
Agreed, but I'd do that for anybody.

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>>934116
>>934143
I've been following EN since their debuts, Gura has never even had 140k live viewers on any of her streams like Miko did. She doesn't even get 70k live watchers like Coco who has significantly less subs than her, it all points to her "fans" clicking the subscribe button and getting bored of her instantly. As for fans reuploading her singing streams on their fan channels, sure some of those have a million views, but in terms of highest viewed videos, Gura still gets beaten by a lot of Holos. Many top holos have 5-8 million views on some of their videos. The views on Mori's songs completely demolish Gura's reuploaded singing archives/individual cover vids too. The fact that a vtuber with 2,280,000 subs but struggles to get 20k watchers on a regular non-event stream just shows people mostly subbed to her for her design. Even her meager earnings reflect that, so it's all consistent. Rushia and Coco are the highest earners. Marine has better viewer retention and can get VOD views quicker (1 million in one day) so Gura's exaggerated popularity really is just superficial. I wish her fans would actually support her instead of being cheapskates who can only deny reality and whiteknight on an imageboard.

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>>934208
pretty sure she has to move to japan to have any sort of production tier covers.

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>>925942
True with how coco's personality is if she got pressured by higher up there is no way she will still stay on hololive

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>>925093
All fans are EN and they only care about nipnongs

[Anonymous No.]

>why aren’t these two treated like gods
I mean coco’s roommate is allowed to stream so I think that’s some pretty big permissions

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>>934340
>Gura has never even had 140k live viewers on any of her streams like Miko did.
Gura's subs are all over the world, so its harder for them to all watch at the same time. Miko on the other hand has most of her fans in Japan.

When you look at total views, Gura dominates. She has several normal streams that get over a million views (which is what Miko's special return concert has.)

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>>934385
Hopefully once COVID is over she'll be able to make some official covers. I can't see myself sticking for much longer if she doesn't take initiative and push her music career.

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>>925118
Gura's popularity has to do with the fact that she wasn't cringe from the very beginning. Ame, Calli and Kiara were painful to watch the first couple of streams. Kiara still is. Ina was just always boring but comfy.

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>>934340
not other guy, and true.

Gura fans that still act like she's going to be the most popular in hololive are now living in a dream world.

She had a big break, but its over now and most of her subs have left for elsewhere, leaving a core of live and vod viewers. She is still in the higher 'tiers' of hololive popularity overall, but she is not the top overall. That's between Pekora and Marine.

Generally people look at money, views, and subs, with views being the most important metric by far, but I still hope she passes Ai just so Hololive can be said to have the top in all 3 metrics.

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>>934675
Coco isn't the only one anon...

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>>925734
How come cover has more balls than blizzard, steam, apple, the NBA and pretty much every other multibillion dollar company bending the knee to winnie the poo and his bugmen? Holy fucking based.

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>>934852
Who else?
I’m not doubting you, I’m just curious

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>>933527
Will you ever get tired?

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder to donate money ONLY to Coco's roommate as that goes directly into her pocket.

[Anonymous No.]

Mutts and spics have no clue.

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>>934185
I'm still amazed how Mori gets so many supas despite having less subs than Gura.

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>>934185
Bwain is bwoken

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>>934865
They didn't leave to stick it to China they left because the brand was no longer viable. All of their free official translator groups dissolved, permissions for Chinese games were withheld, and Cover was just generally widely hated (not the talents, just Cover and Hololive) They wouldn't have left if they could help it.

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>>927837
There's probably a queue

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>>934878
Korone and Okayo live together iirc

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>>934937
Calli has more diverse content, for example her Japanese only streams or her 1M endurance stream. She basically does everything except cooking streams (for now). And her musical knowledge pays off. Being singer (co)author on the HoloAlt OP and that Princess Connect song only help in making her popular even among the Japanese audience.

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>>934865
if you want the truth, its because Coco was popular in JP and what was the EN community at the time (reddit based).

Getting rid of her would have been a legitimate existential threat to the company with the waves it would have caused, not to mention some talents may very well have followed her out. Also they might as well have closed down their EN outreach with how the subreddit would have burned down.

IIRC, they made the final decision after the release of EN, so they probably saw the numbers at that point, and realized they weren't totally fucked either way and chose the lesser evil financially and existentially.

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>>934962
>not even top 10
kek.

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>>935075
>they made the final decision after the release of EN, so they probably saw the numbers at that point
The decision to leave China wasn't based on numbers, China wasn't providing nearly as much revenue to Cover

[Anonymous No.]

Lol at these Amerimutts. Holo en and jp should be separated. Both don't really have any values to share. Every holo en member is absolutely irrelevant in Japan.

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>>934878
do your reps. I mean really, if the only one you know of who streams on roommate is coco, then you haven't even looked.

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>>934878
Noel and Rushia I think. Can't remember who else I've seen

[Anonymous No.]

>>934962
>>935084
Showing total sc as opposed to monthly is pretty disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>935300
My image please.

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>>926621
Well said. People who dismiss the talent behind the avatar are never going to understand. They have some deep rooted hatred for gura for some reason that is blinding them.

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>>933527
Avg video views to sub ratio of all ENs
>watson
19%, 195,728
>mori
20%, 226,479
>kiara
26.5%, 218,472
>ina
25.8%, 211,769

Some high sub count JP ones
>korone
23.5%, 318,921
>fubuki
14.4%, 182,741
>pekorrat
31%, 394,289
>baqua
29.1%, 313,783
>senchou
34.6%, 387,653
>coco
23.2%, 233,858
>haachama
39.6%, 411,870

Her sub to view ratio is somewhat below average with hololive but it's even worse for watson, mori and fubuki. When it comes to absolute number of views she's still dominating though. Nobody except for haachama, pekora and senchou even come close to her number of views and even then they're off by 80-100k or 16.8-21.7 lower%.

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>>935300
>Showing total sc as opposed to monthly is pretty disingenuous.
Literally said "Most sc on the entire platform"
and you're still fucking wrong

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck Amerimutts. These Amerimutts are truly brainwashed by globohomo agendas. FYI nobody watches Guras videos in Japan. Holo en can do globohomo crap.

[Anonymous No.]

Because it's a Japanese company and seniors will always be more privileged. Gura got here yesterday.

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>>935103
donation wise sure, but permissions for the popular chinese games, opportunity cost of lost sponsorships, events, etc.

This is of course assuming things could have been salvaged with firing her and an apology, which as someone else has stated might not have been possible regardless.

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>>926621
>Her personality is unique
Gura is literally ever ditzy girl gamer I've ever met online, her personality is the least unique aspect of her.

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>>934675
>I mean coco’s roommate is allowed to stream so I think that’s some pretty big permissions

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>>935388
>>925093
>>934185
The op was referring to only Coco, and the other person mentioned Mori for only EN

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>>935370
By indie vtuber standards she's doing pretty good. And her amount of views would still put her in the 1% by twitch viewing standards i believe, but dont quote me on that.

Do the ID and EN girls also receive a salary?

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>>925093
From my understanding, Mori and Kiara get the most in superchats from EN

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>>935417
>This is of course assuming things could have been salvaged with firing her and an apology, which as someone else has stated might not have been possible regardless.
That's exactly why none of that matters, Hololive as a brand was dead in CN

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>>925734
That branch deserved it

[Anonymous No.]

>>934253
My brother!

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>>925601
Exactly this. Gura
>doesn't bait supers
>dropped consistent sc reading early on
>didn't go out of her way to cultivate paypigs
>hardly did any milestone celebrations
>doesn't do after-karaoke "donate to me streams" despite them being some of her most popular content
At the end of the day, despite how popular Gura is in the global market she has made absolutely no attempt to capitalize on that, and is content to let the opportunity pass her by. Which is fine because it's 100% her choice, but they'd be dumb to treat someone like top dog if they have no interest in doing anything required to be top dog.

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>>925093
why is gura on the picture

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>>926529
she does way to well in that fitness game to be a tubby.

[Anonymous No.]

>>926529
She's thin but pretty ugly

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>>935550
>Gura is in the global market
its the western market. chinks gooks sea monkeys and such dont watch holo en.

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>>925093
>>925118
If you effectively become a superstar and stir up Twitter shitstorms twice in one year under 2 completely separate identities, it can't be luck alone.

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>>934675

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>>935053
Nice theory but it's just the big tits

[Anonymous No.]

>>934248
She does not look like a hapa to me. But then again, I've never seen her without makeup.

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>>925093
Gura can't even beat Mori in SCs

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>>926467
If true then this explains a lot

>Ina had a previous history with her papa so she became a better Abigail
>Huke made Kiara an obnoxiously bright orange rainbow chicken despite being famous for working with dark colors

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>>925734
Reminder that Artia was a fucking snake

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>>935550
This might sound cringy as fuck, but I think she's a true artist and entertainer who just does it for their own enjoyment. Just making good content and not trying to min-max every dollar earned for her time. I like that.

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>>934685
Good point. These people are trying to compare someone who has most of their subscribers in a 1 hour time zone of the world when the other person covers all 24. No shit one of them can only get a fraction of their total subcount watching live at any one time.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't remind me that Ame is a little chubby plz.

[Anonymous No.]

>>935699
Yeah I can't masturbate for 4 hours straight again

[Anonymous No.]

>>934685
no. its the western market. funny that you believe asians watch hole en.

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>>934865
Japan doesn't fear china.

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>>926529
she's not really thin or chubby, kinda in between but yeah ugly

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>>935491
I'm not fully convinced. it was dead as soon as you say it was.

I think it had a good chance of being salvageable,
if Coco was let go and an official apology was put out,etc. etc, at least up until Fubuki showed open support. Then it was over.

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>>926286
this is not even close to being true. peko is way taller than her model, watsons boobs are less than half the size. polka, mio and okayu are actual hambeasts and so was matsuri when they first made her model. I could go on.

You retards see noels model and then assume the rest follow suit.

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>>926467
I recall Friend mentioning that she saw auditions for a fox vtuber and knew she wanted that. Pretty sure gen 1 designs were premade too.

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>>935693
She used to do better though. There is no question that its settled down.

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>>935629
The only photo i've seen of her with makeup on she's also wearing a wig

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>>926529
She's the type of person that has to remind herself to eat food. That alone makes me think she's probably rather thin.

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>>935943
True, but her diet is also pretty bad.

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>>935943
Women who say that purposefully do to make them seem less like pigs. Women who actually forget to eat don't announce it to the world constantly.

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>>926467
>Gen 3 had premade models
>Gen 3 is on average the highest grossing gen period and combined highest in subs in JP
They might've been onto something.

[Anonymous No.]

You just KNOW there will be huge drama between these two at some point. Everyone was surprised at EN not being a shitstorm but the relative stability will only make the eventual yab that much greater

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>>925734

$1.771.525 vs CN branch

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>>935783
>info from over half a decade ago

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>>934962
It makes me happy to imagine Tim Pool absolutely seething about Noel.

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>>935075
i'm really glad Coco wasn't graduated. But, i really would like to see a future where she was and what would happen to cover. Would that company be absolutely annihilated? or would a bunch of people just be angry for like two months and forget about it. Would they be attacking other talents? probably not because they lack the autism and drive that chinks have.

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>>935729
You can see people write japanese in the chat, and Kiara got japanese Akasupas today. They are definitely the minority but they exist. Besides, ENs watch holoJP. I don't see how this is so different when there are people sitting there in chat and summarize what the chuubas say while watching.
The points about Gura not being the most popular person by several metrics (live viewership, SC earnings, etc) are of course valid.

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>>925734
That makes Coco based though, fuck chinks.

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>>938207
very few compared to all of those annoying eops dominating the jp comment sections. the obvious proof is that jp clippers dont translate so many holo en videos.

the reason is holo en doesnt have so many interesting tee-tee moments. nobody watches the same singing videos over and over again. much less shitty gaming videos. lets make it clear again, westerners also mainly enjoy jp tee-tee videos. not gaming or singing ones. moona is probably the most popular foreign holo member in japan now because she aggressively wants to make tee-tee contents with pekora or other jp members or id ones.

>Gura's subs are all over the world, so its harder for them to all watch at the same time. Miko on the other hand has most of her fans in Japan.

this comparison is very strange considering that. also why do you know most miko fans are japanese. i dont understand why jp and id should be compared to en as "all over the world"

[Anonymous No.]

>>925734
I FUCKING KNEEL COCO

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>>934962
>Korean
>Political
What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>935491
Explain why some Hololive goods still produced in China

[Anonymous No.]

>>933527
>>934340
Remember to call out the Gura sperg whenever you see him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>933527
Why does only the tiniest fraction of her subscribers watch her when she's live? Do they hate her or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>940327
her viewers are teenagers that are in school

[Anonymous No.]

>>935435
Not her actual roommate, the codeword roommate.

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>>933334
>POCD
>POCD is an obsessive fear of being or becoming a pedophile, what to many is considered the ultimate loss of identity.
Lmao. Is this what twitter does to people?

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>>935729
I've seen russian, korean and japanese in gura's chat.
I think you're a tranny.

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>>925118
>>925118
Gura had more fans in her past life than any other idol had in their current incarnation. it was like starting the race at this finish line.

>>925093
coco is my oushi, but unless she brings out some interesting new content i sort of feel like her current popularity is based on the extreme loyalty on kiryu kai and that she won't necessarily be growing much further.

i don't know why she doesn't do more streams to teach Japanese to English speaking users.

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>>933527
You again! We already explained how this shit work. Are you autistic or are you just b8ting now?

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>>938036
If they had graduated Coco the company would have collapsed. From Coco's fans from within and relentless chinkoids from outside, some of the girls would have quitted too if they're to be believed.

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>>934937
Tits and low voice, as well as personality. Rich daddies want such women near them.

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>>934242
God if I had my own home and my living secured I would blow loads on this girl, I'm happy other people have enough disposable income to throw at her, I just hope she is happy doing this for a long time so we can enjoy her charm as much as possible.

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>>935391
Do you live in Japan or have the sauce for your claims?

>inb4 no reply

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>>938036
If she had been graduated at that time, I genuinely believe the company would have collapsed, or at least declined significantly, with some talents leaving, at the least EN would be dead in the water. Remember this is after Aloe's graduation, which was a major scar on the EN community, and it was still fresh. JP would regardless have really hated the kowtowing to China for someone who was like a pillar to the JP group.

I honestly don't know if she could still be called a pillar right now though. She's important, but she isn't the huge source of support to the others that she used to be (Kanata aside). Rather now she is being supported by the others now. and by her chat of course. Those community mods have done excellent work cleaning it up. Hopefully she'll regain the courage to seek out more collabs. She's asked for one with noel, a singing one! That's a great first start.

I hope she'll have one with Miko in minecraft too.


If it had happened a few months earlier or later, Then things might have been different. That's the scary part.

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>>934962
But Baqua did peak at 2019

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>>945511
several of the biggest talents would have left in protest, reddit would have dropped hololive and i think they would have lost the western audience at large. (i know some of you like that idea but for them that is a lot of $$$)

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>>935891
What unbelievably terrible reading comprehension, christ.

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>>934962
wtf worse korea

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>>941860
i live in japan, you amerimutt monkey

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>>935550
/thread

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>>935048
Proofs?
>>935217
Does Noel still sell her titty stuff?
Also Rushia hasn’t since joining hololive as far as I’ve seen

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>>954321
hes lying. this board is chock full of misinformation and low iq eops

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>>940490
My buddy was telling me about a guy who spazzed out and called him a pedo for watching eva because it had 14 year old tits in it. Like full meltdown.

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>>940490
>what to many is considered the ultimate loss of identity
You'd probably have bigger problems as a legit pedo, like for instance a claw hammer through the skull.

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>>926836
The harsh reality is that she isn't talented in the traditional sense, shes marketably talented, shes Billie Ellish, shes Ariana Grande, shes got chops no one can deny that, but so does Suisei, so does Towa, so does Sora, but the thing that separates her is the fact that her personality naturally geared to people like weebs, but also able to entertain normies. It's not an uncommon thing to see nor is it something that happens rarely. It doesnt help she comes from a history of doing this already. Gen 1 is basically made up of 3 no bodies, a failure, and a known and experienced success.

>tl;dr Gura is the girl who gets picked on American Idol because of her marketability not her talent over someone who had PURE talent

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>>935048
>>954321
>Korone and Okayo live together iirc
Hes wrong in the sense they live together, but they do (or did) have constant sleep overs and hang out CONSTANTLY.

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>>955170
I don't know what you mean by 3 nobodys. 1 failure being Kiara then I agree. Gura's alt was a hot mess waiting to Implode. I would say 1 nobody in Amelia and 2 moderately successful creatives in Ina and Mori. And then we have Gura - the viral memer.

But I agree with the rest.

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>>934962
>Tim Pool
People pay to watch someone sit on a fence?

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>>958877
He's far less of a fence-sitter than before. Can't stay neutral on a moving train and all that.

Beanie-man vtuber when?

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>>934962
How the hell is Flare that high?

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>>925601
where did you get those estimated memberships numbers from boy

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>>933527
I like how no amount of ad hominems denied anything said in this post.

>>940786
>Gura had more fans in her past life
Not really. You weren't there when HER was streaming, the amount of watchers per stream was not great. HER had a lot of views because of the shitposty songs, not because she had a dedicated fanbase.

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>>954271
keep talking like that and we'll shove another nuke up your ass you bucktooth weasel

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>>960948
you are the average /co/ sjw. every /co/ fuck talks like you and twatter trannies and they refuse to work hard at all costs. all you can do is make stupid lazy woke shit thats unironically shitter than some chink rip off.

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>>925118
>Gura now REEEEs and Hics
Yeah, she'd be over 3.5 million by now.

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>>925601
Coomers and literal 12yo don't SC.

>>926003
This. Japanese companies respect the low earners that keep in line and kiss ass over the rebellious creative types that make them 50x the money.

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>>925093
Subs don't mean anything

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>>925118
Disagree, I attribute her strong debut (that spawned the “A” meme) contributed to her fast rise, plus the fact she sung a Tatsuro Yamashita song left a good impression since every weeb loves him (myself included). I always felt from the start she was the most internet savvy of the five, and when I realized who her past life was it was no surprise.
Gura got 2 mil because she knows the game, dude. She’s played it before.

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>>925093
>Gura has the most subs but her audience is younger and don't have money to superchat. Even Calli with 1/2 the sub count gets twice as much SC.
>Coco is seen as a liability to Clover Corp's financial interest in China which is a huge market.
Behind the scenes like in the discord chat Gura and Coco are worshiped most likely by their peers. The girls probably fight for a chance to collab with them.

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>>934248
>hapa
I thought she was plain ole huwaito or half spic.

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>>934865
Japan isn't run by the merchant cabal.

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>>925734
You will never see Cover doing this for any of the ENs. Coco is underrated in many ways too, for example her debbit reviews get 77k watchers, something even Gura who has 2 million subs can never hope to do. Even her special streams after her debut month can't even get close to 70k live viewers. Coco earned way more money than the most subbed Holo too. She's a fucking monster and it's all because her content is actually entertaining and she has amazing charisma. She's better than everyone in HoloEN and HoloID put together.

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>>935675
But Cover is a corporation and their job is to turn a profit. Enma should be encouraging her to make more money for the company. I'm sure they're not upset because her raw numbers are great but compared to Takamori, she seriously lags in donation income.

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>>959193
He was sitting on the fence in hopes to not be cancelled and to be viewed as impartial but that's a fantasy. Anyone to the right of Bernie can be cancelled these days and no one is truly unbiased. Dude is a right leaning libertarian.

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>>925118
>>961221
People who contribute Gura's rise to her design is silly. She is the shortest Holo but there are plenty of loli themed Holos who don't have half her numbers. I have a theory on her success.

The term "okay boomer" went viral in a political context. It was even covered on mainstream news outlets. On Gura's old channel she created the "ok boomer" song that got 1 million views and this is the video that made her old channel expand to 1 million subs. But then a cute instagram girl danced to Gura's song and it got 10 million views and like 30 million views on social networks. Guys were SIMPing over said girl and getting into fights with their gfs. Lastly, if you search for "ok boomer" it will lead you to Gura's old channel which in turn will lead you to Gura's current channel. So in other words Gura managed to capture the viral sensation of okay boomer and run with it. I hadn't been to 4chan in years so I didn't know about vtubers and I ended up discovering them by searching for the original ok boomer meme.

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>>925118
>Gura's explosion in subs can be attributed mostly to her design. If we switched her design with Watson, Watson would be the one at 2 mil.
>>961221
>Disagree, I attribute her strong debut (that spawned the “A” meme) contributed to her fast rise, plus the fact she sung a Tatsuro Yamashita song
Both of these theories fail because it doesn't explain why her old channel has 1 million subs. My "ok boomer" theory >>961813 is the only one that addresses the success of both her channels.

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>>961892

Gura's meme-centric content that can be found on her old channel has a much greater potential for viral growth then her current videos. If Gura wants to reach 3 or 4 million subs she's going to have to return back to her roots and make short, and catchy, meme-friendly videos. Almost all of Senzawa's videos have around million views. Some have 2 million. These videos are easier to digest, share and grow. If her old channel weasn't abandoned it would be at 3 million subs at this rate.

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>>925715
Forgot your meds?

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>>935383
B-But my average concurrent viewers...

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Gura getting hard nerfed by the fact that her top tier singing voice is gated by copyright permissions, she can't produce originals because she's not in Japan and I guess YAGOO is a hardass about recording songs not at location or in a cover owned building. Her best gaming talent is also rhythm gaming skills (which really works well with her singing talent) which is fucked by permissions.

All in all, fuck the chinks, and I guess her mental issues.

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>>968630
kys irl unironically

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>>968938
Dont they record and submit the voiceovers for HoloGraph from Home now?

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>>968984
I won't say it for a fact, but that's fine if Watame has an idea for a song and just wants them to send over their voice lines, but for stuff like original songs or things that need a lot of creative input they would rather have a more hands on approach. All their producers are in Japan and probably need a translator.

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>>925118
/hlg/ is still coping to this very day I see
>>925601
she is still one of the top earners and her membership count is still the highest by a huge margin

why do you have to cope so hard?

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>>961184
Yeah, and that is why holos do milestone celebrations and even cry on stream when they get one, right?

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>>968630
it is

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>>961332
>Gura has the most subs but her audience is younge
and there is still no data to be found anywhere that supports this claim
>Even Calli with 1/2 the sub count gets twice as much SC.
Mori is one of the exceptions who managed to cultivate a number of insane paypigs just like Coco

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>>961679
>for example her debbit reviews get 77k watchers
no they don't, the one and only one that got those numbers was the pekora one. aside from that cocos average live viewer count is completely average and does not even come close to gura

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>>968939
>>969162
in your dreams maybe

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>>925093
>>934185
>>934962
gura is NOT the most SC'd in hololive, much less EN, much less a top SC earner.
heres the EN's revenue in SCs in TOTAL + some others to give you an idea of how much they've earned since debut.
t. numberchad

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>>969338
>over 400k after only 5 months
>not a top earner
lol

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>>969368
well of course they are all top earners, i should've reworded that honestly.
none of them are top 10s, but they are all up there.

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>>969297
Take your meds

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>>933527
>She even gets outVOD'ed now, a Marine video hit more than a million views in just one day, Gura has never been able to do that
Gura did that recently with her 2 million celebration stream, faggot. And outVOD'ed? Holy fucking COPE! Guras total average VOD views are about 700k, the next hole that comes after that is Pekora with 300k. But its still hilarious how much you seethe

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>>935584
>>935783
Are you fucking kidding me? The pictures with and without make-up show me an absolute qt3.14
Unless she's gained fifty pounds in five years I don't think much has changed, so she's still cute as fuck, if the rrat is true and that is her

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>>935584
>>935783
>gura IRL
>ugly
are you insane?

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>>969396
take a dose of reality

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>>969338
Daily reminder that Gura streams the least and has 50 streams less than Kiara and 30 less than Mori.

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>>925093
>highest subscriber count in the group
>most super chatted on the entire platform
>why aren’t these two treated like gods in the company?
How in Gods name are there multiple people itt that failed at reading this?

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>>969586
take your dose of reality (meds)

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>>969494
>>969559
Do gura's irl friends post here or something, because I don't see how you can call her anything more than a plain jane.

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>>973873
Compared to average American girl she looks great. Mori and Kiara look better. But none of them are like 9/10.

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>>946467
Wouldn't leaving out of protest be a dumbass move though? There's no guarantee you would be making as much money after leaving. If they don't give in to demands either, you would be sol

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>>934962
>4 of 5 3rd gen holos are top 10

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>>976950
Its not about the money, anon. Hololive losing several of its core talents over a foreign branch has a myriad of consequences that would put cover in a far worse place than the girls who quit. When you factor that fubuki was one of the ones threatening to quit it puts into perspective how important coco is to the girls

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>>960844
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu-sTLUG9Lc

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>>925093
cuz japanese companies don't care about their employees lol

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>>969338
Ina Ina Inaaaa.......

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>>934937
Streams more. Milks gachikois. Same with Kiara.

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>>961679
>NUMBERS NUMBERS NUMBERS
Normgroids enjoy digesting shit in general, numbers mean fuckall. I don't know why you're so proud of an annyoing redditor with grating voice.
Is this some meme I am not getting? Is it because she pissed off bugmen? Or is le quirky yakuza "bitch" funny and endearing now because this place is infested with cancer for almost a decade now?
Can someone explain to me how you can listen to that voice? That's the only physical part these girls should have and hers is fucking atrocious. I wouldn't hire her to read stories to children. She sounds fucking awful. Actually would pay her to shut up, not to speak more.

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>>986811
>Streams more
Mori was #1 in Superchats in EN even while she was only doing half-assed 1 hour streams every other day.
There was a google doc with numbers and her $-per-stream-hour was absolutely through the roof, even mogging Coco/Rushia

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>>925093
>cover already has talents that have a lot of subscribers
>still can't be bothered to get more permissions
FUCK

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>>934865
The Japanese Government probably strongly advised them to do it

Probably also with a financial incentive

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>>982090
I wanna say poor Noel, but she's still in the top 20

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>>925093
Stop associating your shark bitch with Coco who has actual gachikois with actual jobs superchatting $1000+ per stream

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>>989538
The shark is cute though.

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>>939401
Say like the upcoming hololive bikini figure gacha figures?

Chinese made, company is japanese, simple, contract work, if bandai were chinese they'd be fucked, same with the upcoming figma and nendoroid from goodsmile/max factory (though it has been ages since we've heard about the nendoroids so we'll have to wait and see)

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>>935435
go back

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>>925093
Coco obviously just milks her viewers for money with the content she's making. She'll get as money as she can then fuck off. She wouldn't care if every Hololive and every fan killed themselves, so why would Cover care for her? Gura is out of their country so they couldn't are less about her.

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>>993295

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>>993295
Not to mention she literally cut off a whole country's worth of revenue just for her shitflinging.

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>>993295
Learn proper grammar, chink

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>>934865
two reasons:
-coco is a big earner and despise their culture they bet in her favor at the end of the day (also the entire taiwan fiasco revelated that even with suspension zhangs would never stop)
-new politic about streaming in biribiri, specially about moderation and donations

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>>993339
>she literally cut off a whole country's worth of revenue
>the chinks are still paying for her memberships

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>>935383
>haachama
cosidering her latest streams she has a lot of EOPs in their balls due her schizo act

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>>969083
>All their producers are in Japan and probably need a translator.
she (they) can produce an english song like haachamers did if the language barrier is too much of a hassle and is kinda unbeliable that everyone cannot understand the most basic english (a.chan is a good example)

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>>993507
This bitch just can't stop winning. I love her so much.

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>>989655
ironic that someone who's pen name is literally dr.bug (a chink) is this based

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>>969338
Still dumbfounded In Kiara pay pigs like fuck man

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>>982182
This not to even think of what would have happened to the EN branch do the fact of bending the knee to china

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>>987190
wtf I love abe now

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>>994198
Kiara leans really heavily into parasocial relationships, much more than other holos.

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>>994198
She is the most bait out of all HoloEN all the autistic retards love her

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>>969338
>Coco numbah 1
No wonder cover didn't rekt her for the gook scandal, she is a gold mine.

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>>1008114
For how long though? I'm glad the tachinokos have remained loyal throughout this period but the nature of the business is a constant battle to attract new fans. The obvious ways to do that seem blocked off for the moment.

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>>934786
>She had a big break, but its over now and most of her subs have left for elsewhere, leaving a core of live and vod viewers. She is still in the higher 'tiers' of hololive popularity overall, but she is not the top overall. That's between Pekora and Marine.

This is just what happens with larger subcounts. You get more people, but they don't watch every single video or stream religiously. Subscribers give deminishing returns.

If you want some proof? Pewdiepie doesn't even get to 5% of his subscriber count on most of his videos. Mind you, 3-4 million per video is absolutely DOMINATING in terms of raw numbers, but but he still averages less than 5% of his subs watching any given video.