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And I'm not just talking about Foobs, Bae and Kiara. Even Kanata, Noel and Marine and other jap chuubas have vowed to stay in Holo for long time and asked fans to stop making narratives for their sake. And based on that, the jap fans have cooled down and most traders no longer panic, though it's gonna be tough to build back the stock price

Welp it's fun while it lasted. Tomorrow will return to normal and pretend none of today's shenanigans ever happened. Oh and next week will be Anycolor Q2 so it's gonna be entertaining to watch

>> No.90714122

Ok but more holos will be going /xhlgg/ and we all know it. It's inevitable.

>> No.90714189

>>90714122
bla bla bla anything else bro?

>> No.90714230

>>90714189
You said this when I told you Fauna was leaving a month ago.
Why do you keep doing this? What makes you think this is the exact point where the bleeding will fully stop?

>> No.90714293

>>90714087
>it's gonna be tough to build back the stock price
Come on.
All cover need to do is to release a new card pack and the number will rise again.

>> No.90714316

>>90714087
It's like they are trying to damage control and spout whatever management tells them.
What will you say if Gura or Mumei leave because of management as well? Believe then?

They are protecting themselves and their source of income.

>> No.90714447

>>90714316
If even fucking Kiara who started the whole Gura graduation bait threads told you holobros to stop doomposting, then maybe consider the fact that things aren't simply black and white

>> No.90714485

>>90714230
>fauna is actually a liar and hates being idol
>company will bleed
First point, correct. The other, nah. Hololive is doing the filtering against lazy non idol members and fauna got the first cull, expecting more

>> No.90714562

>>90714447
Her admissions that Cover has been shit for a long time are reassuring to you because she tacked "don't panic" to it?

>> No.90714617

>>90714485
>Hahaha yeah based cover keep "filtering" people out by driving them away, it's their fault, not yours
Grim

>> No.90714632

>>90714087
it feels like niji damage control. Damn it stinks

>> No.90714670

>>90714087
>JP bugs buckled down so you should too, goyim!

>> No.90714683

>>90714087
When the corpo speaks, you listen.
When the order to downplay happens, you obey or suffer consequences
When you're asked to fall on the sword for your betters, you do so without hesitation

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>>90714087
>feed talents obviously scripted speeches
>all is forgiven
Cover has the most open contempt for their own fans I've ever seen in a corporation. They actually think they're fucking idiot manchildren.
Doesn't change the fact that their subs have flatlined. I'll be watching Fauna once she goes indie instead, thanks.

>> No.90714811

>>90714617
>outted yourself as twitch whore viewer
well i rest my case, have a nice day

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90714931

Qrd on all this shit that is happening? Aqua is gone, Chloe and Ame will be gone, Migochi is yabai, normies turning on Ironmoose, what the fuck are these rrats?!?!

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people still are not done speculating about fucking magni and vesper and that was years ago. you think they're gonna give it a rest for Fauna? do the talents think they're gonna squash this? lol

>> No.90714990

>>90714931
Fauna will be gone too
>Qrd on all this shit that is happening?
Cover went public a year ago. The squeeze has been properly applied and talent are leaving one after another.

>> No.90715058

>>90714711
>They actually think they're fucking idiot manchildren.
And they are right, just look at all the simps [20th century sense] eating it up.

>> No.90715138

>>90714979
>people still are not done speculating about fucking magni and vesper
That was because it was a graduation that has termination vibes so of course those stars sisters will never know peace. Fauna is different because she is clearly breathing in front of you, at least until January anyway, so unless she starts spilling more tea during that time, this will move on eventually

>> No.90715184

>Have to wait over a month to get the full story
The suspense is killing me...

>> No.90715765

>>90715184
It's wishful thinking to say that NotFauna will immediately go open book and trauma dump.

>> No.90715797

>>90714087
>Management mandated damage control
Cool, that sure will help their image, can't wait for the black stream

>> No.90716005

>>90714087
Would be great if this leads to more decisive action towards antis larping as fans and concerntrollers

>> No.90716007

>>90714087
Cover is just a company that walks a fine line between exploiting and supporting their talent for the sake of shareholders.
Japanese companies are ruled by fear and cowardice, incapable of being transparent or open, so when they fuck up they quadruple down - no exceptions. You will never get any kind of closure or understanding about what's going on over there, they WILL force their talent to tow the line and talk up their share price under threat, and you MIGHT get a fake tearful apology in japanese if things get dire enough. Yagoo will bow a few times and fake cry, please buy our product. Seen it with many companies. Enjoy the girls, love the girls, follow the girls, support them, fuck the stock market and fuck blind brand loyalty but most of all fuck California

>> No.90716259

>>90714087
>nijisanji out of nowhere
rent free holy shit

>> No.90716301

>>90714087
To be fair there is something wrong with the fans of this generation. They're too needy and histrionic, and they work themselves up into a bitching frenzy over nothing. It's not healthy.

>> No.90716449

>>90714670
wait a minute! you faggots said i could never become japanese and now this faggots says Bae and Kiara are japanese?
i am starting to think that all of you are liars.

>> No.90716606

>>90714811
Nearly the entirety of Hololive is either Twitch "whores" or Niconico "whores" - it's become even more clear in the past few days that there's very little difference between Nijisisters and Holo fans on this board when it comes to worshipping the company rather than supporting the talents. The only positive that can be seen is that at least off this board fans of Hololive have started to question the company rather than blindly following it to the detriment of the talents.

>> No.90716632

All of this happens because nor Cover or the talents themselves give an actual reason for leaving, if they were more upfront none of this would happen but that means less drama and in return, less attention and viewers, and gotta make the most of any spotlight they can use.

>> No.90716671

>management dogs say there's no war in ba sing se
It must be true then

>> No.90716720
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>>90716007
>Japanese companies are ruled by fear and cowardice, incapable of being transparent or open, so when they fuck up they quadruple down - no exceptions. You will never get any kind of closure or understanding about what's going on over there, they WILL force their talent to tow the line and talk up their share price under threat, and you MIGHT get a fake tearful apology in japanese if things get dire enough.
Many such cases, never forgive never forget.

>> No.90716807

>>90714485
Where did you hallucinate that first greentext from? Are Holodrones this psychotic?

>> No.90716873

its amazing how the damage control actually worked

there was so much thread-wise, community-wise outrage over the sudden fauna graduation announcement but within a single day, with all the big holos coming out and making damage control statements, the entire narrative has shifted
now the main narrative is that fauna's graduation is entirely her fault and it's business as usual (bau) in the rest of hololive, including promise
even the sticky is finally down, after it was up for days and incredibly active

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>>90716720
Based and correct post

>> No.90716916

>>90716807
>>management of an idol company : hey can you do this?
>>fauna : no, i will not.
there, do i need to explain like you are 1 year old?

>> No.90716987

>>90716873
Hololive fans are incredibly weak
At least former Niji fans actually put their foot down when everything went to shit. /vt/ still thinks that as long as FBK says things are fine that they're fine

>> No.90717001

>>90714087
So why weren't we siding with Elira and her clique when they do the same thing? Why is Hololive excluded from responsibility?

>> No.90717007

>>90716873
you already had your week of so called "black" company and looks like your narrative didnt last long

>> No.90717095

>>90716007
Can you accept the truth if they come out and show that Fauna asked for the stupidest shit then make a fuss about the rejection?
What's the point of doing that?
Fauna is unprofessional and that is it.

>> No.90717113

>>90716873
To be fair removing the sticky makes sense - it was up for quite a while and wasn't really making much of a difference in terms of other threads about the situation being made. There also still seems to be genuine frustration on Twitter and YouTube comments (no idea about Reddit though, wouldn't surprise me if that's fully supportive of management). It's only really on this board where anons are now mainly towing the company line and even then quite a few of them are probably just baiting for (You)s.

>> No.90717171

>>90714447
>He doesn't realize it's women's natural inclination to form cliques and Kiara being the most senior EN member who still cares about face and standing made one.
>Fauna landed outside the protective bubble for not simping enough to the orange bird and is being made to fall on her sword as a message to other ENs to not fuck with her.
>The only Holos who could stop her are no where to be seen: Mori is too pussy whipped to object, Ina doesn't give a a fuck on account of her burning rage of being branded an illegal immigrant, Ame bailed the impending train wreck, Gura and Mumei have laid low to wait it out, Bae is busy sucking every cock in Japan that is attached to guys who look remotely like Majima, and IRyS is off thinking about meat.

Welp it was nice while it lasted.

>> No.90717181

>>90717095
Reads nearly word for word the arguments used by Nijisisters for most of this year. You're the same as they are.

>> No.90717243

>blue button
Didn't read, don't care.
Mumei and Kronii are next graduates and then Guuba

>> No.90717263

>>90717171
nice headcanon retard

>> No.90717309

>>90714979
People are already spinning this as " if you got a problem with management it's because you're lazy."

>> No.90717312

>>90716873
The damage control made it worse, I thought they just quit because they were bored of the job and now it looks like they are hiding a bad work culture

>> No.90717359

>>90717181
Lmao. Niji imploded because they are transparent (only from their side).
Do you want Cover to be like Anycolor?
She will get terminate on spot with the whole naughty list if she is in niji.

>> No.90717366

>>90714122
Could I see proof of this? Not an attack, I just want a source because I keep seeing it with no backing evidence.

>> No.90717386

>>90717113
it's fair the sticky's down after being up for quite a while, i just think it contrasts a bit with the chloe sticky
i remember it taking a while to even reach 600 posts let alone 1k and it didnt last nearly as long as the fauna one despite being also quite concerning

>> No.90717397

>Multiple graduations
>Talents have to come out and say everything is great
So, are we still on the corpo bad and talents are victims or are we pulling a niji and any talent that goes against out lord and savior Cover is actually the problem?
I need to know what the popular opinion is so I can be on that side.

>> No.90717408

>>90714087
> And based on that, the jap fans have cooled down and most traders no longer panic, though it's gonna be tough to build back the stock price

Shut the fuck up you mouth breathing retard. Literally irrelevant to fans. Kill yourself, biz # faggot

>> No.90717434

The rrats will win. They always do

>> No.90717467

>>90717309
reps retard, she cant do one single shit that everyone else had done more throughout the span of working years

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>>90717171
>implying Shark is not more powerful than Sora and can do whatever she wants

>> No.90717506

>>90716916
You have the brain of a 1 year old

>> No.90717539

>>90714087
> Allude to problem without actually stating it to maintain future deniability
> 'Stop speculating. No we won't tell you the truth but stop it anyways.'
> 'The problem is actually a good thing because [unrelated sophistic tangent]'
> Promise no situationally-relevant deliverables
> Emotional blackmail
> Try to change the subject
> End on 'Thank you' instead of 'We're sorry' because the latter can be construed as an admission of fault

The very fact that they're making ALL of their talents lipsync the exact same bulletpoint-script at the same time with no pacing or even a vague attempt to mix up the formula a little only shows how panicked the shareholders are right now.

>> No.90717543

>>90714122
HoloFes lineup is going to be announced in 2 days so no more graduation until end of Fes at least
(Unless someone is announcing theirs tomorrow)

>> No.90717567

>>90717506
awww look at this toddler talking back word to word

>> No.90717572

>>90717359
None of what you said is an argument against you being the same as a Nijisister. Immediately throwing a well-loved talent under the bus and claiming they were shit/lazy/menhera etc all the time just because they left the company is Nijisister behaviour.

>> No.90717617

>>90717469
Riggghhhttt, the hiki with a bad case of impostor syndrome is going to argue with me!me!me!me! who can bite back in 4 different languages.

>> No.90717641

>>90717312
Problem is we don’t know if it’s damage control or if it’s just the truth and talents are thinking “holy shit, why are people blowing this so far out of proportion?”

>> No.90717692

>>90716873
That’s why your reputation matters
And not pushing your liver to suicide, I suppose. Niji could've gotten out of that without a scratch if they just let Selen graduate propeller as she asked

>> No.90717689

>>90717567
You are retarded because the truth is literally the opposite of what you've described.
You just invent a scenario in your head and pretend that it's fact.

>> No.90717716

>>90717641
say this again but without copying word for word from NDFs during the black stream

>> No.90717748

>>90717716
??? Bro?

>> No.90717749

>>90717617
Tell me then JUST how damaging it would be if either or both left?

>> No.90717777

>>90717692
fauna should have pretend-suicided as well.
too late for that now.

>> No.90717820

>>90714562
I read this and thought immediately how funny it would be that Kiara is the author of The Hitchhikers Guide. Hololive is "mostly harmless".

>> No.90717840

>>90717641
A mix of both. Basically what Mori said
ngl, it's definitely been hitting me
> coz I'm very happy right now, with the way things are
> but just because I'm happy doesn't mean everybody else is
> everybody's got their own dreams and visions of success for themselves
> that aren't necessarily identical to mine
> I like the way that things have been, I like everything that I've had to do and been asked to do
> I like every part of being a holomem, but, again it's not just about me
> there's a lot of people here, and they gotta do what's best for them
> it does get demotivating though, just seeing a lot of the stuff.. it's everywhere
> there's a lot of morale dropping
> it's ok to be sad but it becomes a spiral of sadness at a certain point
> I'm seeing a lot of stuff about like "it's over" y'know "it's all over, it's all downhill from here"
> I try not to let it consume me but every time I open up any app I'm like
> I.. can't do anything else
> Those of us here.. can't do anything else
> All we can do is just look at that kinda stuff and think..
> "Hey, I want my friends to be happy and successful wherever they go in lives..
> "but for those of us here, what can we do?"
> those of us that are happy with the way things are
> and are accustomed to this kinda environment and place and like it here
> it's just.. it's a conflicting feeling, and it has definitely drained me the past couple of days
> That's what Mori has been feeling
Everyone wants to protect place and people they love. Remember how Kson spent her own money to sue people to defend Hololive unprompted months after her graduation?

>> No.90717884

yknow i might be inclined to give a bit more of a shit if dramafags didn't spend the last 3+ years shitting this board up with some of the most retarded takes about cover

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>>90717689
>invent a scenario
brother didnt even read the news. Shocking i would say, better yet, a 1 year old claims to be an actual 1 year old

>> No.90717902

>>90715184
shes not dokibird
no matter how hard you try to turn this into some nijisanji allegory

>> No.90717943

>>90717572
I don't shit on Aqua or Chole like I don't shit on Cover for firing Mel. Because they did with enough professionalism and respect.
Fauna did throw shade to the company which induce the speculation. The fact that you started to throw shit about finding the truth is the epitome of her unprofessionalism.
Talking about that you guys act exactly like Nijisis when Yugo was terminated.

>> No.90717955

>>90717243
As a guramefag my selfish wish is for Gura.

>> No.90717971

>>90717900
Watch streams and you will know I'm correct. Why are you stanning the corporation instead of the talent?

>> No.90717976

>>90717840
Yeah I suppose I should’ve said “forced damage control,” because “please stop blowing this out of proportion and hurting others” is, by definition, damage control too.
I know it doesn’t SEEM forced to me, but I could be incorrect.

>> No.90717999

>>90714087
They can say that but when Gura graduates the fanbase is going to go into a frenzy. Nothing they say after that is going to convince Holofags that the company isn't in some serious shit.

>> No.90718038

>>90714931
shields at 25% and holding

>> No.90718057

>>90717243
Can we have any proof of this, or is it just speculation? It’s fine if it’s the latter.

>> No.90718058

>Fauna is a whore and her graduation is her fault
So it's business as usual with the holofags I guess, can't wait for the next girl to be denounced as dirty deserter

>> No.90718093

>>90714087
Using talents as meatshields for management is okay when Hololive does it.
This really is a repeat of the beginning of the year.

>> No.90718106

>>90716987
Yes, in friend we trust, of course you don't understand why though sister.

>> No.90718112

>>90717943
Fauna didn't say anything bad. Chloe was more direct by saying she had too much work.

>> No.90718134

>>90717999
Nah, they'll just have some girls go on stream and say "management good" and then gura will be labeled as a men loving whore who never deserved to get in anyway

>> No.90718157

>>90717999
Unless Gura graduates within a month (before everything settles), it wouldn’t. People will be sad but no one will be surprised since she has been away more than around most of the time. Fauna's announcement was shocking because it came out of nowhere with only sign of rm activity 13 days prior

>> No.90718164

>>90717976
The talents have to say that for self preservation. Even the most disgruntled talents like mumei, gura, and shion would never come out and publicly state that the management fucking blows.
All you will hear from the talents is that everything is fine because that's the only opinion they are allowed to state.

>> No.90718201

>>90717943
>How dare her criticize our lord and savior Cover© Corp
Blue Doritos worshippers not even once

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>>90717943
>The fact that you started to throw shit about finding the truth is the epitome of her unprofessionalism.
Friend lied and Yagoo is Yabai.

>> No.90718239

>>90716987
I trust the girl who dared to stand against hundreds thousands chinks and threw away half of her income while telling management to fuck off, all just to defend her friend.

>> No.90718250

>>90717943
Holy fuck LMAO. Got enough shareholder dick in your mouth?

>> No.90718282

What happened to the "if you have to say something about it you did something wrong" mindset everyone had for every other corpo?
Cover just did what every "bad" corpo did and people are slurping it up kek.

>> No.90718283

>>90717567
not that anon, I also think you're retarded. 2:1 now.

>> No.90718317

>>90714122
doom chads will always win because nothing lasts forever
the sooner those faggots accept it, the sooner they can stop complaining

>> No.90718334

>>90718282
They didn’t attack Fauna, that’s a big plus compared to the other black corpo

>> No.90718358

>>90718057
So… no?

>> No.90718394

>>90717840
>those of us that are happy with the way things are and are accustomed to this kinda environment and place and like it here
It's funny how even all the ones defending Hololive will still drop little nuggets in there that seem to imply that this environment isn't really normal. Not necessarily bad, but not normal. They acknowledge that it might be tough on some. Which brings up questions all on its own.

>> No.90718416

>>90717943
>I don't shit on Mysta or Pomu like I don't shit on Anycolor for getting rid of Nina. Because they did with enough professionalism and respect.
Selen did throw shade to the company which induce the speculation. The fact that you started to throw shit about finding the truth is the epitome of her unprofessionalism.

>> No.90718426

>>90718239
fubuki said all that about 3 years ago under those current circumstances. Things have changed considerably in those years. It's no longer a relevant statement

>> No.90718427

i just think two things can be true at once

yes each holo has a different set of goals, experiences, relationship with management, and fauna can have enough problems to justify quitting while others are still fine enough with what they have to not want to quit
this means it's perfectly reasonable for fauna to graduate without there being any systemic management problems, and the other holos would then be justified in urging people not to speculate

but im still unhappy with the damage control statements given by the holos so far, or even the way they have responded to fauna's tweet, because it doesn't seem like anybody's really standing up for fauna
nobody's saying they'll definitely still be friends with her and talk even after she graduates (which many have said about ame), nobody expressing any sympathy for the unique level of frustration fauna must have experienced to want to quit, nobody saying just because management might not have a systemic problem doesnt mean fauna's problems with management werent legitimate, nobody saying anything like theyve seen whats going on with fauna and are on her side or think her decision to graduate is justified

it's generally so defensive of cover's reputation while not standing up for fauna at all; that's the part that bothers me

>> No.90718452

>>90718334
>fubuki: i'm soooooooooo freeeeeeeeee

>> No.90718557

>>90718416
Pretending Selen is unprofessional af. The problem is Anycolor is even more unprofessional than her.
Do you want Cover to be like Niji and uncovering the truth? You people are stupid fuck.

>> No.90718562

>>90718427
One quibble with this
>nobody's saying they'll definitely still be friends with her and talk even after she graduates (which many have said about ame)
Ame’s circumstance is different, being affiliate. They can say “I’ll talk with Ame after she leaves” because that doesn’t mean talking with a PL, which is something I don’t think they’re allowed to say per contract or optics. Plenty have already reached out/followed via notAccounts in the past day or two, so do with that what you will.

>> No.90718565

>>90718283
Ohohoho we have another toddler here. Now you both can be friends, right?

>> No.90718587

>>90717617
> You think the breadwinner can beat someone who speaks four languages!?
Woah, four languages!
lol

>> No.90718622

>>90718557
Maybe fauna should try "attempting" before everyone is against her

>> No.90718642

>>90717943
All Fauna said was that she was leaving due to disagreements with management. Chloe spoke at length about how overworked she felt. So again you seem like a sister in that you pick and choose who to hate specifically relative to how much bad PR it causes the company.

>> No.90718690

>>90718427
They're not going to stand up for fauna in the way you think. In reality it's fauna and chloe who are standing up for ame and aqua. The only way to protest the management is simply to not renew the contract. In turn, the next talents to quit under the same reasoning that everyone else gave will be standing up for their predecessors.
Fauna wasn't the catalyst here - Aqua was. If Aqua didn't step up and courageously graduate the company, do you really think the rest would have followed suit?

>> No.90718724

>>90717001
Fauna wasn't terminated and did not try to kill herself

>> No.90718736

>>90714711
>>90715058
>It's obviously scripted according to my autistic delusions
>If you don't agree, you're a simp and a manchild.
You have nobody to blame but yourselves when people don't take you seriously.

>> No.90718751

>>90717943
>Fauna did throw shade to the company
How?

>> No.90718778

>>90718427
>unique level of frustration fauna must have experienced
Ame had it much worse and she didn't burn bridges or throw the girls under the bus on her way out. Hell she urged people to keep supporting Holo after she graduated.

>> No.90718839

>>90714087
>Throwing one of their most beloved members under the bus and she has now become the bad guy.
Great job corpo bootlicker

>> No.90718894

>>90718622
Then you want Cover to be like that.
You know what I knew that none of you want the truth. You just want a drama and need to feel righteous.
If you like her just watch her rm. If you don't like hololive stop watching them. Finding the legitimacy for liking something is fucking retard.

>> No.90718910

>>90718839
>one of their most beloved members
This lie will never catch on.

>> No.90718932

>>90714087
fuck cover corp

>> No.90718940

>>90718778
You're implying that fauna threw talents under the bus which never happened. Chloe didn't do that either. Both were professional

>> No.90718960

They don't have the luxury of people trusting their company if they aren't going to proffer any meaningful details and it's idiotic for them to expect otherwise.

>> No.90718997

>>90718334
>Talents have complained about the corpo for years
>Multiple graduations in a short period of time
>Multiple talents need to play defense for the corpo
I see, not all the boxes have been checked. I'll have to update my black corpo requirement sheet so I know these are no longer enough to make it a black corpo.

>> No.90719042

>>90718358
No, then

>> No.90719095

>>90718910
Yeah, it's a complete lie that she had one of the highest average CCVs in EN and was one of /#/'s figureheads. Already trying the Nijisister tactic of re-writing history.

>> No.90719193

>>90718164
would it not be better then just not to say anything then?

>> No.90719235

>>90718894
>Stop noticing things and go watch something else
Love to see all the goodwill and understanding when Cover is involved

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>> No.90719337

>>90719235
I'm shitting on Cover more than you did.
I just hate self-righteous faggots like you more than an incompetent company.

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>>90714087
Ain't gonna lick itself

>> No.90719380
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>>90714087
Methinks it's too early to start doomposting and spreading rrats around when were only going off of admittedly very little evidence and subjective hearsay from the other holos.

Actions speak louder than words. We'll have to wait and see as the weeks pass if any of the holos' decide to show actual interactions to Fauna beyond the generic quote tweets of support. Personally, I wouldn't mind if it their own reasons for not appearing to care as much as the others is because they're just simply not as close with her as we'd like them to be.
At the end of the day, the holos are coworkers and colleagues by default; the choice to connect more with each other is their decision just as much as it is a choice if you want to start making friends on the first day of school, or just coast along until you get the passing marks with acquaintances before jumping ship.

>> No.90719404

>>90719095
>one of their most beloved members
>it's a complete lie that she had one of the highest average CCVs in EN
Is this how numberfags define "beloved?" You monkeys are a riot.

>> No.90719410

>>90719301
For a moment I thought this flavor was called “Greek Fire” and that’s much more interesting than its actual name

>> No.90719492

>>90719404
Genuinely don't understand what point you're trying to make. Did you misunderstand my sarcasm or are you ESL?

>> No.90719531

>>90718622
top kek

>> No.90719656

>>90718778
Ame is an affiliate, shes never going to say anything bad about Cover.

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>>90719350
>Yagoo
>Yabai
IT'S THE SAME NAME!

>> No.90719748

>>90719492
Nta, but the point is
>highest average CCVs in EN and was one of /#/'s figureheads
has nothing to do with being beloved.
EOP monkeys oshi her CCV but that's about it.

>> No.90719808

>>90717943
how do you go so hard for a company of all things and not the people that make it worth watching to begin with

>> No.90719897

>>90719748
So all her viewers are just bots then? There's no one actually watching her because they oshi her?

>> No.90719924

>>90719808
I'm going to shit on cover if they start to explain the graduation conflict.

>> No.90719963

>>90714087
They should’ve let Fauna show support for this Pajeeta. Now she will doom hololive

>> No.90719988

>>90716007
nice reddit post

>> No.90720024

I'm going to apologize one thing. Fauna might not be a bad actor but one thing from this thread, she gather such a portion of a terrible fanbase.

>> No.90720033

>>90714087
Cover, more like AnyCover

>> No.90720042

>>90719748
Having big numbers does demonstrate being beloved, but she was also beloved beyond what her numbers indicated. That's why so many people, both in Japan and overseas, are flipping out now. Basically everyone liked Fauna and her personality was almost perfect for Hololive's brand, it's genuinely shocking to see her go and it's a huge loss.

>> No.90720096

Now fauna wasn't even liked at all, keep going guys, I'm loving the narrative

>> No.90720134

>>90719193
Exactly. The girls who are sufficiently unhappy will not say anything. They will either quiet-quit like Shion and Mumei, or they will outright graduate. Hololive is very much no longer the company that it used to be.
Even the golden children, Pekora and Suisei, have stated themselves that there have been big changes since the early days. The ones who are okay with these changes will say that everything is fine because they either want the changes to take effect or are indifferent.
The ones who are not okay with the changes (shion, mumei, gura, obviously) will just check themselves out.
The people who haven't said anything at all about the graduations yet are most against the management.

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>>90720024

>> No.90720232

In Holo we trust.

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>>90714122
This is our /xhlgg/ pet.
Sorry if "it" bothering anons here.

T. /Xhlgg/ humble chaplain

>> No.90720291

Death to hololive

>> No.90720320

Nobody is going to convince me that Cover management isn't a bunch of retarded faggots who are 100% at fault here

>> No.90720369

>>90720134
Moomer quit???

>> No.90720541

Death to Anonymous #90720291

>> No.90720578

Please guys, don't speculate about stuff holos are unwilling to share. Just consoom, ok? Never ask questions. Nobody liked Fauna anyways either, right? Everything is ok, there's no reason to complain

>> No.90720589

>>90720369
It’s been almost a month since the past non-retweet, non-graduation-reply communication. The presumption has been this is because of schoolwork.

>> No.90720670

>>90714316
why would gura leave if she doesn't need to stream

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>>90720578

>> No.90720838

>>90714316
we've known management was the problem as far back as the capcom incident. But that wont stop people from burying their head in the sand.

>> No.90720989

>>90720589
>>90720369
She's been doing "schoolwork" for far too many years at this point. I think it's safe to say that Mumei does not want to stream with Holo anymore. Especially since she's been recently active on her roommate twitter account.

>> No.90721004

>>90714316
>What will you say if Gura or Mumei leave because of management as well? Believe then?
they will protect their oshi until the very end, even after the last talent is gone. no one exceeds the loyalty of these gachikoi, eternally devoted to their kamioshi, TYO 5253 COVER CORP.

>> No.90721073

>>90717840
mori is a workaholic and she can still do her pl stuff alongside hololive. for fauna or ame, their pl stuff directly conflicts with hololive and it's one or the other

>> No.90721135

>>90714087
Who the fuck cares what people who aren't the cause of Fauna's graduation have to say about it? Why is Cover hiding behind the talent? What do THEY have to say for themselves? People don't just quit their "dream job" out of a minor inconvenience or a slight disagreement. This was a systemic, broad issue that apparently Fauna felt was impossible to resolve and couldn't continue working there, that's not some minor blip, that's not just a slight difference of opinion.

>> No.90721149

>>90715184
she will not shit on Cover as an indie unless she wants to intentionally fuel drama to prop herself up

>> No.90721246

>>90720042
>she was also beloved beyond what her numbers indicated
Yes.
>That's why so many people, both in Japan and overseas, are flipping out now.
No, that is because her fanbase contained a disproportionate amount of schizos and trannies surpassed only by FWMC (and maybe Gura). Aqua had much bigger following yet produced nowhere near this level of faggotry.

>> No.90721323

>>90720989
>roommate
Are they a work or a shoot?

>> No.90721376

>>90714485
The graduation announcememnt stream WAS FIVE FUCKING MINUTES LONG. What drugs do you take to annihilate your attention span so thoroughly that you couldn't be fucked to watch something that short?

>> No.90721573

>>90721149
I mean, if she was treated terribly. Why wouldn't she want to expose something?

>> No.90721584

>>90720134
Didn't Bae give an update on Moomer? I recall in the wake of Fauna's graduation, she was asked how's the rest of the Council holos were doing and Bae said that she's still studying and even talked to her a bit.

>> No.90721625

>>90721573
Because some holo fans are rabid dogs and would tear her apart for "sabotaging their oshi" or some such?

>> No.90721644

>>90720042
>That's why so many people, both in Japan and overseas, are flipping out now.
Thay're flipping out because hololive just had two back to back graduations adding on to the other ones and management has been a big reson for them. It's not entirely because Fauna graduated, she's not a pillar in hololive, she's no Marine, Suisei, Pekora, Foobs, Sora, she just was the final straw for something fans were already getting pissed off from a long time ago.

>> No.90721700

>>90714087
I can only calmdown if they tellus that Goob aint leaving

>> No.90721766

>>90714087
>several talents leave almost at the same time
>this is several months AFTER contracts renegotiations
>guys, stop the rats, this is totally normal and you guys are being antis
sure thing skinwalker-kun

>> No.90721780

>>90721644
It's been a long couple of months of shit happening at Holo, with Ina's issues as well.

>> No.90721791

>>90716873
Using talents as shields wouldn't be the default PR strategy if it wasn't extremely effective.

>> No.90721816

Honestly just sounds like they couldn't reach an agreement on the new contract, over whatever issue she couldn't agree to, and Cover couldn't let go of.
If Fauna really is that against traveling to Japan often, and Cover wants to force it through due to the idol focus, that can easily be a point of contention they simply can't find common ground on.
Guess well have to wait and see if more concrete stuff comes out.

>> No.90721839

>>90720989
>I think it's safe to say that Mumei does not want to stream with Holo anymore.

Nah, this is usually how it is with college life. You kinda get swamped with so much schoolwork that you have to focus on that first as your main priority. I've seen a lot of folks that used to have a pretty notable internet presence whether they were a webcomic artist of stickfigure animator announce they were going on a hiatus because they were studying and they were absent for years because of it.

Granted, it's entirely possible to have different interests and move on to other things once you've finished college, but we'll have to wait and see if Mumei still wants to be a holo once she's done.

>> No.90721877

>>90714087
Oh no, the ones working for the corpo are saying the corpo is fine. That means we have to believe it! OP is a genius!

>> No.90721934

>>90720989
>Especially since she's been recently active on her roommate twitter account.

If we want to get controversial, that recent activity includes discussion of said schoolwork. From what I can tell, she’s just bad at it and has been going at it for a long time.

>> No.90722071

>>90717312
This. I genuinely didn't even go watch the PR bull the Holos I usually watch put out and it bothers me to even see them having done it. Nothing any of the talents say will matter until the actual company explains themselves.

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>>90721934
>If we want to get controversial, that recent activity includes discussion of said schoolwork.

>> No.90722170

>>90721644
Those are all JP talents, she's at least a pillar of EN, the star of Promise. If Fauna isn't a pillar of EN, who is? Obviously Gura but besides her can you actually list several people more loved and popular than Fauna? Maybe Mori, FWMC (both debatable)? Who else?

>> No.90722231

>>90717902
So you're saying she will be shitting on her old company? Because Doki never did.

>> No.90722235

>>90718164
le invisible gun.

>> No.90722293

>>90722071
I haven’t seen PR, I’m going to be honest
What I’ve seen is
>people close to the issue offering as much explanation as they can, while also clarifying that there are things that contractually can’t be talked about (same for any graduation/affiliation)
>people farther from the issue responding to unanticipated, widespread backlash that they’re afraid will affect them
Obviously we can’t know what would happen in an alternate universe, but I’m willing to bet the latter wouldn’t be happening if the “death to Hololive” reaction wasn’t as present as it’s become.

>> No.90722331

>>90722235
I mean we know for a fact they don't talk about issues much, from the fact that years after the fact they talked about those issues retroactively. If you paid any attention you know how much Omega is being shit on, did you hear anything about this while it was ongoing? Why do you think that is, retard?

>> No.90722345

>>90721625
And? I feel like you could have said the same thing with Doki.
>If she outs niji, the nijifans will hate her!!
I don't think it's -that- bad. But anything can happen, nobody knows what it's like behind the scenes

>> No.90722351

>>90722094
Scroll a little further, facetious anon, I believe in you.

>> No.90722434

>>90722293
The only thing the talent commenting on the situation achieves is making Hololive's silence more deafening. Why are talents who can't comment on what actually happens talking about it in vague terms while the people responsible hush them and keep quiet? How is that okay?

>> No.90722444

>>90722071
Explain what?

>> No.90722532

>>90714087
>Foobs, Bae and Kiara. Even Kanata, Noel and Marine
First off, I don't listen to whores. Second, but curiously NOT Miko and Suisei...
:thinking: :thinking: :thinking:

>> No.90722549

>>90722345
And they did, despite the fact that Doki didn't actually say anything bad about Nijisanji and is actually the only ex-Niji who hasn't openly shit on them for being awful.

I think the worst she's openly said about it is during HC Minecraft with Mint when they joked about how they "both know what working for a Japanese company is like" So I have no fucking idea why you'd bring up Dokibird in this conversation.

>> No.90722552

So this is what zoomers spend their time doing on their phones? It explains a lot.

>> No.90722615

>>90722444
Why you were dropped on your head as a child, or course.

>> No.90722644

There is no war in Hololive.

>> No.90722663

>>90722331
>we know for a fact they don't talk about issues much
>they don't talk about issues much
le invisible gun and le no stream watcher

>> No.90722682

>>90722549
easy comparison of someone who was treated like shit in a company. And yeah, retarded drones went out for her but she's massively successful.

>> No.90722688

>>90714087
Bootlickers, all of them.

>> No.90722702

>>90714087
I'm gonna miss Fauna...
Fuck you Cover!

>> No.90722715

>>90722434
I see your point, but also this is exactly what Hololive has always done with these things. Announcement, maybe some clarification of how official matters will be handled (channel locking/closure, deletion or preservation of VODS, etc.), and then all other communication is left to the talents. You might not like it, but this isn’t different from the way they’ve handled other graduations, all the way from Coco to Aqua. The sole exception has been Ame, due to affiliation needing extra explanation since it wasn’t a known thing. However, with affiliation now being known, Chloe’s is being treated the same way as graduation announcements. The point being, they’re not doing anything different for Fauna than they have for any of the other previous graduates.

>> No.90722740

>>90722615
I seriously want to know what kind of explanation people actually want.

>> No.90722750

>>90722663
>Toddler-tier reading comprehension
Not surprising, honestly not sure what I was expecting given what I replied to, that's on me.

>> No.90722789

>>90722532
Miko actually said the same both in mengen and public streams.
>Miko: Differences in direction with the company
>Miko: to be completely honest I don't know what they're talking about
>Miko: For most holos I know, they have a goal in mind and we're all working hard to achieve that

>> No.90722867

Fauna was planning to stay in Holo until a week ago.

>> No.90722873

>>90722688
>>90722702
post membership or fuck off back to twitter, tranny

>> No.90722886

>>90722750
Kiara constantly shits on management since day 1 to the point where it became a fucking gag, Irys talked about her problem with management (mostly regarding song shit) during the Omega era. Kronii, Gura, Fauna, Mumei, Mori. It's harder to find a girl not venting about management.

>> No.90722913

>>90722740
For months now talents have been talking about this new direction Cover is taking and it's been leading to multiple (major) graduations in the span of a few short months, with Fauna of all people shown to be particularly discontent. So what the fuck are they actually doing? What are they demanding that is apparently so unacceptable that people like Fauna would rather quit than keep going? The fuck are they hiding this for?

>> No.90722953

>>90722886
In EN maybe. The most I've gotten from the JP side is that they get way too many meetings.

>> No.90722969

>>90722789
Of course she doesn't know lol

>> No.90723013

>>90722953
PEKORA CRYING ABOUT HER STUPID FUCKING GAMBA STREAM GETTING CANNED WATCH STREAMS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

>> No.90723023

>>90722715
You can tell from the reaction alone that Fauna's graduation IS different (not to mention the announcement stream itself), so them acting the same way is a problem. This is all coming to a head for the fans exactly because the "this is what they've always done" isn't fucking good enough.

>> No.90723024

>>90722789
In these kind of environments it's extremely difficult to talk about your feelings so it always ends up as a shock unless someone happened to be confiding in you.

>> No.90723054

I understand the damage control, but if you're going to talk about it, do it in mengen (unless you're a HoloX/Promise members, which makes sense).
What's the point? Nobody is going to set their company on fire and you'll just end up pointlessly defending management. Even if it's true you'll just look like PR heads, and give more food to antis.
Basically an I understand the damage control, but if you're going to talk about it, do it in mengen (unless you're a HoloX/Promise members, which makes sense).
What's the point? Nobody is going to set their company on fire and you'll just end up pointlessly defending management. Even if it's true you'll just look like PR heads, and give more food to antis.
Basically an unenforced error.

>> No.90723135

>>90723013
Projects falling through is completely unrelated to the recent graduations.

>> No.90723156

>>90719095
>one of /#/'s figureheads
>The fucking tribalfagging, schizo breeding anti spregging thread
Anon, that's not a good thing

>> No.90723158

>>90722789
Also Korone:
>Korone is saying that everyone has their own circumstances and that she doesn't think there's anything wrong with management (at least in the JP side). However, she understands why people might worry because they care so much about Hololive. She suggests that if that's the case, fans should take a step back and focus on the things they enjoy.
>She also talked about a time when she accepted every job she could because she was afraid the company or her fans would hate her if she didn’t. But she ended up realizing that she was being silly and that everyone just wanted the best for her.
Personally she sealed the deal for me, if Koro-san is fine I don't have any reason to worry.

>> No.90723219

>>90721584
Bae said she's ok and moomin, which, says nothing at all

>> No.90723352

>>90723158
>fans should take a step back and focus on the things they enjoy.
So "don't worry about the ship sinking, just have a booze and a wank and don't concern yourself with things". Yea no fuck off Korone. Don't bother talking about shit if infantile platitudes is all you have to offer, I'm no longer in the mood for this shit, not even from my favourite JP.

>> No.90723375

>>90723158
Would Mr Koro lie to us like Friend did?

>> No.90723424

>>90723375
Friend is uber based.

>> No.90723493

>>90723352
What the fuck do you want her to say? HOLO HAS FALLEN! BILLIONS MUST CRY!

>> No.90723499

>>90723023
The fan reaction is different, yes, but not the company communication. I hope you understand what I’m trying to say. You can dislike the way this is being handled, but you can’t say this is being handled differently than it always has been. You can want it to be treated differently, but you can’t say it’s already been treated differently.

>>90722867
Is there proof of this? I’m asking for the same reason as always—if it’s true, I want to know, and if it’s speculation, I also want to know.

>> No.90723508

>>90722789
>Miko: to be completely honest I don't know what they're talking about
Lmao she could literally have just fucking asked Aqua and Chloe

>> No.90723567

>>90723424
>says would leave Hololive if it was yabai
>things are yabai
Based on what? Let's not forget the what happened to Hololive China.

>> No.90723626

>>90723567
Holo China got what they deserved, a rain of bullets by God's Emperor Friend.

>> No.90723628

>>90723493
I want her to stay out of it, as she has nothing of merit to say on the matter, and this asinine attempt at placation only serves to piss me off at the flippant attitude with which they are continuing to treat these issues.

>> No.90723693

>>90723499
>but you can’t say this is being handled differently than it always has been
I'm not sure why you think I am. If anything I am demanding things *SHOULD* be different, and am growing increasingly bothered by the fact that it isn't.

>> No.90723699

>>90723567
It's honestly very funny to me how "dedicated Holofans who use Fubuki as the canary in the coal mine" seem to have memoryholed the entire rant stream she did only a couple of months back.

>> No.90723725

>>90723158
What I read the latter part as is, “If this is directly affecting your mental well-being to such a dramatic extent, then it’s probably a good idea to step back and recover.”
In other words, like doing a social media detox, or distancing yourself from a fandom for a bit. I think Korone doesn’t want anyone killing themselves over a Hololive graduation

>> No.90723760

>>90723628
Pretty sure that is from her member stream. Fans want to hear their oshi's opinions on the matter.

>> No.90723761

>>90714087
as can be seen in this thread, antis will anti anyways

>> No.90723770

>>90723352
>Ship is sinking
lol
Promise was always irrelevant, Chloe leaving is a lot more painful

>> No.90723794

>>90716873
My guess on how it goes from top to bottom
- big boss and or investors get upset
- management will pressure/tell the talents to calm things down
- The holos or vtubers who have a high investment in the company (your Suisei or Fubuki types, whoever that fits in EN and ID) will be among the ones to speak out first (this can even come before the management step
- of the talents who are pressured the ones who are fearful of change will talk first
- other talents who are more influenced by their fans or who are streaming a lot will then speak
- the bigger news v-tuber/flesh tubers who cover this will back off because they don't want to lose their connections unless it's a sinking ship
- the fans who defended the situation the most will start attack anyone still question things
- as the news slows down the causal person will forget about it
- the one at the center of all of this will be blacklisted by the company and made the villain
- anyone close to that person will be slowly pushed by management and the more influential talents

>> No.90723795

>>90723699
Qrd? Need to see if Friend is truly "friend" or is Horus.

>> No.90723854

>>90723693
That’s fair, I agree with you. I’m trying to push back on the idea that I’m seeing around, that holo is treating this graduation differently than others, like they hate her or something

>> No.90723886

>>90716873
At the end of the day, Nijisisters weren't the only ones sucking corporate cock above anything else. Quite the revelation really.

>> No.90723959

>>90714485
Of course cuz you are literally sisters who worship a different corpo

>> No.90723961

>>90723628
When Holoantis like you pretend to care about the talents, don't you ever realize the drama exists because everyone is worried about the fate of all the talents that aren't graduating? They don't want their oshi to be next, nobody actually gives a fuck about some other loser's oshi. If all these same girls were indies and one of them graduated, none of the others would talk about it.

>> No.90724039

>>90722170
Let me bite. How do you define "more loved and popular"? Are we going to play numberfagging game? (Just checking because Fauna is NOT the best among EN, not even among her gen in any numberfag metric other than average CCV which only /#/ cares about)
If we aren't playing numberfagging game then again, how about you define "more loved and popular" first?

>> No.90724254

>>90723699
There's also the fact that what Fubuki said was a couple years ago.
People change. I'm sure Fubuki has slightly different morals by now.

>> No.90724279

>>90723760
I can sort of appreciate that, but I'm personally rather annoyed especially so long as Cover themselves remain silent on the matter of them failing to accommodate multiple of their talents to the point where they preferred to graduate. What is the ACTUAL reason Fauna felt she had to leave? Why wouldn't Cover just acquiesce her needs? Same for Aqua etc. I have no reason to believe their demands were unreasonable, so what's going on? Why is there such severe conflict?

>> No.90724339

>>90721376
>catalogfags
>watching streams/vods
pick one

>> No.90724348

>>90723961
>Y-you're an anti!
Fuck off drone. Don't speak unless you actually have something to say to the person you're speaking to, instead of just sperging out at the voices in your head.

>> No.90724513

>>90724279
It would definitely help to have some sort of acknowledgement from Cover management. Are they aware there's an issue and are doing some introspection? Are they aware but moving forward anyways because it's an acceptable sacrifice for their future goals? Are they just completely blind and clueless?

>> No.90724610

>>90723499
>>90723023
Yeah the announcement is different because Fauna directly stated in the second sentence that it was due to a conflict with management and then said that she loved everything she did in Hololive and is NOT leaving because she didn't like her job. No other graduation announcement has happened this bluntly before. This graduation is also different because its a dual-event with Sakamata Chloe. Two talents leaving simultaneously both with reservations about the company is highly suspect. Not to mention this is in the wake of Aqua's graduation which was hololive's darkest day since Coco graduated.
Its obvious that there arr serious fractures on the backend.
Yagoo thinks he can just ignore this, but the straws ate piling up on the camel's back and something ia about to give.

>> No.90724639

>>90724039
>answering my question with more questions
Define it however you want. Yes, she did have the biggest number in EN, but also by other "soft" metrics, (activity in fan groups, amount of fanart, etc.) she was huge. Just answer the question. If Fauna isn't a pillar of EN, who is, besides just Gura, maybe Mori and FWMC?
I don't understand the point of this retcon to pretend Fauna wasn't popular or important. It feels weird and cultlike, "we were always at war with Eurasia" shit.

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>>90714087
literally every corpo is like this, Shondo was right all along.

>> No.90724831

>>90724279
>I have no reason to live in reality, why should anyone else!

>> No.90724919

>>90722094
Mumei will graduate over Hololive losing Pokemon perms

>> No.90725108

>>90724639
No, but she doesn't have the biggest numbers in EN - that's why I asked you to definite being "more loved and popular". She doesn't even have biggest numbers in her gen in any metric other than average CCV (subs, SC, merch sales, channel views).
Every Holo members are loved. Fauna is definitely popular, but she isn't the most popular and definitely not one I'd call the pillar of EN. One of the top (not the top), sure, but "the pillar of EN" (which shouldn't be based on popularity)? That'd be Mori or Kiara. General popularity-wise, not counting Gura, Mori, FWMC and Mumei would be ahead of her.

>> No.90725474

People are really arguing the semantics of beloved because they want to throw fauna under the bus that much, fucking insane

>> No.90725592

>>90724610
>loved everything she did in Hololive and is NOT leaving because she didn't like her job
Every other greaduate said the same. Fauna's phrasing in fact doesn't make sense. "I'm not leaving because I don't want to be here". Yes you do, in current circumstances. Otherwise wouldn't have left.
>both with reservations about the company
Chloe did not express reservations about the company. On the contrary praised them for trying to work around her circumstances.

>> No.90725626

>>90722170
How is she a pillar when she did nothing? Your CCV cope is retarded because that isn't equivalent to the contribution to the brand. Everyone in Myth is a pillar because they contributed tremendously to the brand.

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>>90723628
>>90723352
>>90724348
>Gets asked her take on Fauna graduating in member stream
>Literally tells them that she hasn't felt anything bad on her end and tells people that are worried to take a step back and reevaluate their lives
>"FUCKING KILL YOURSELF KORONE"

Schizotards like you make me wish that Fauna got the Niji treatment

>> No.90725754

>>90725108
>She doesn't even have biggest numbers in her gen in any metric other than average CCv
This. Saplings really love to overrate her, and even when she's leaving they don't stop. I liked fauna but I'm so glad those retards are leaving this fandom.

>> No.90725809

>>90725108
She does have the highest SC in Council, but she has less than IRyS so I guess you could say she's second in Promise, but I don't think anyone believes IRyS is more popular than Fauna. She has less subs but subs don't really mean anything, neither do channel views, afaik her merch sells quite well.
Anyway, fine, if you want to say "one of the top" instead of "pillar", fine. There are maybe 2-4 people more popular than her even if you completely disregard watching streams. That's a big deal.

>> No.90725985

>>90724610
>The camels back is about to give
For me, Fauna was that last straw. Not even just because of Fauna herself, I have zero doubt she will succeed in her PL or if she reincarnates entirely. The issue is the WAY she is leaving, showing there are incredibly serious issues with management because it's obvious she doesn't actually want to leave. My first impression was that she got fired but they didn't have good enough reason to call it. a termination or just didn't want the bad PR but even setting that aside, I have to ask what the fuck management could possibly be doing to make Fauna WANT to leave or think she has to. It can't be a simple matter of random mistakes and errors, not with this many talents leaving in so short a period.

For four months now we've been hearing
>Something something issues with management
>Something something different direction
>Something something Cover is changing
While Cover themselves are entirely silent on the matter. It's past time for them to unveil what the fuck is going on and how they somehow failed to retain four of their talents, none of which ever struck me as being particularly demanding types.

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>>90723628
>Vtuber being questioned about private corpo matters tells people to take a step back from the doomposting as it doesn't help things
>Predictable entitled faggot loses his shit demanding answers knowing he'll have to wait for a month before getting answers, if at all

>> No.90726032

>>90724831
>The version a literal paid actor performing a character tells me is "reality"
Nigger what the FUCK are you doing?

>> No.90726035

>>90725754
>I'm so glad those retards are leaving this fandom
You wish, they follow the CCV not the talent.

>> No.90726064

>>90725626
You can believe that if you want but there's a reason people are freaking out now rather than when Ame left. I've never said it was all about CCV, that's just an obvious indication of how important she was to fans, the more troubling aspect is precisely that she matched the brand image so closely and still chose to graduate.

>> No.90726097

>>90714087
Hahahahaha cope. Gura, Shion, and Roboco will be next.

>> No.90726098

>>90725592
>Chloe did not express reservations about the company.
Actual lies. Chloe specifically complained about not being allowed to use the studio.

>> No.90726103

im starting to unironically see a lot of anons starting to say
>nobody in holo actually liked fauna so

>> No.90726127

>>90724279
Obsessive Faunafags like you deserve your oshi to be abused and exploited like Vivi was

>> No.90726186

>>90726127
Vivi didn't do shit and wanted to quit as soon as she got in because her oshi was kicked out

>> No.90726185

>>90725995
>Nooooo you're entitled by not being placated by a random bystander spouting platitudes!
Fuck off, shill.

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>>90714087
>industrial grade tribalnigger cope
Do holobronies REALLY?

>> No.90726250

>>90726127
>Sperging anti swings and misses, as usual
Pitiful.

>> No.90726308

>>90714485
You’re retarded

>> No.90726331

>>90726097
Is there evidence, or is this speculation? Either is okay.

>> No.90726359

>>90726098
Actual retard. Everyone complains about that. She did not cite that as a reason for her leaving though. That's what this discussion is about.

>> No.90726375

>>90726331
If you see Gura's name in the speculation don't even bother because it's bullshit

>> No.90726480

>>90726375
I suppose it’s speculation then

>> No.90726504

>>90726199
LOOKS LIKE SELENPOSTING IS BACK ON THE MENU, BOYS.

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>>90726064
>the more troubling aspect is precisely that she matched the brand image so closely and still chose to graduate.
If we really want to be honest with ourselves, it's most likely not that deep. Just look at how casual the rest of the holos are reacting compared to the schizofags in utter shambles over it. Sure, it isn't helped that Chloe's announcement happened not too long after, but if the other holos aren't as hung up over this as they should be, perhaps it's just a case of bad timing, personal wants conflicting, and little things adding up over time that compelled Fauna's gut decision to pull the plug so fast.

>> No.90726541

>>90723158
>DONT THINK ABOUT THE BAD THING
>THINK ABOUT THE GOOD THING!
>TOXIC POSITIVITY ONLY!

>> No.90726567

>>90724279
I'm not really about that. I think it's just that talents simply don't want to deal with Cover anymore, so they just leave. Cover doesn't need to give an answer since no one is really in the wrong.
But the trick here is, that I probably don't think Cover is in the wrong, because I don't CARE if Cover preserves what they are anymore. As a teamate, I'm out of it. I hope the talents have success, but that's it. But I can understand how people who still really care about Hololive are mad that things are changing and demand an answer.

>> No.90726580

>>90725592
She clearly said that she was overwhelmed. You're just spouting nonsense

>> No.90726619

>>90726518
It’s possible the announcements were done so close together as a sort of “rip the bandaid off” move, but not on the same or consecutive days to avoid people getting the idea that they’re somehow directly related.

>> No.90726621

>>90726097
Roboco isn't leaving. She's got a very comfy tenured position.

>> No.90726623

>>90726185
>S- SHI- SHILLLLL!!!

Genuinely fucking embarassing.

>> No.90726675

>concerned fans = antis
Holofags.....

>> No.90726746

>>90720270
Keep the thread pure, brother.

>> No.90726751

>>90726619
They might be trying to get all the graduates/affiliates out before fes, and there's still more coming so they had to overlap the branches a bit.

>> No.90726818

>>90726675
I’m seeing a lot of “concerned fans” spouting “death to Cover,” and a lot of antis putting on their “concerned fan” hats. Please forgive the fact that the perception of actual concerned fans has been spoiled by bad actors, same as you forgive the fact that the perception of the other side has been spoiled by bad actors.

>> No.90726860

>>90725809
If CCV mattered cover would do anything to stop Fauna from graduating, they obviously didn't. Numberlings are braindead.

>> No.90726872

>>90726751
Perhaps. We’ll have to see.

>> No.90726895

>>90726580
Also said the mangement offered here to reduce the workload. And that was not her first (therefore presumably more important) reason anyways. All of which you would know if you'd actually watched the stream.

>> No.90726929

>>90714087
>Multiple talents say the same answer one after another after nuclear yab
Now, why is this pattern so familiar???

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>>90723352
>>90723628
>unironically hating korone
you’re worse than scum. you’re the individual shit and piss molecules making up the scum.

>> No.90726997

>>90726929
>nuclear yab
meds
someone leaving is hardly a yab

>> No.90727068

>>90714087
Corpo damage control. Theyve been told to say it. Why do you think the rrat was so skitish and evasive yesterday? She was treading on eggshells trying to get the message out without revealing she'd been ordered to say it.

The Japs are retarded for letting this go and so are you.

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>>90726619
It's also not helped in the wake of Negrosanji's implosion and PR hellscape, everyone's keeping a close eye on the other agencies and talents involved, scraping every act taken with a fine-tooth comb.

Look, I'm not saying that Cover has done shady shit, but when you're out looking for blood, you're going to justify seeing it where others don't. Everything, from the graduations, affiliates, Cover going public, etc. is all just fucking rrat poison at the end of the day and realistically, nothing productive gets accomplished acting like a schizophrenic with tourette's at the media company or at random faggots in a blue board.

>> No.90727075

>>90726064
People are freaking out because management shit is a recurring issue that is worrisome, not exclusively because Fauna is graduating you fucking retard. They didn't throw a tantrum when Ame left because Ame was thankful of Cover instead of looking like an entitled woman like Fauna does. Fauna had more CCv than Ame, are you going to say Fauna was more important than Ame to the branch? lmao
Even Bae looks more of a pillar than Fauna does.

>> No.90727179

>>90714087
Remember when a bunch of niji talents came out to defend anycolor? This reeks of the same.

>> No.90727250

>>90727075
They cling to CCV because she's the runt when it comes to subs so they pretend that number doesnt exists kek

>> No.90727390

>>90726359
>Moving the goalposts and spreading more lies
Absolutely disgusting.

>> No.90727435

>>90727075
>Fauna had more CCv than Ame, are you going to say Fauna was more important than Ame to the branch?
Yes, absolutely, Ame had been checked out for years by this point, whereas Fauna was incredibly active.
What exactly do you want? Would you like it if Hololive completely shifted away from streaming, and the girls were more like mascot characters that exist purely to sell merch and and pump the stock price, rather than being living, breathing individuals? You might as well be a fan of Love Live at that point.

>> No.90727455

>>90726567
>I think it's just that talents simply don't want to deal with Cover anymore, so they just leave.
This belief died with Fauna's graduation. If you watched her announcement it's exceedingly obvious it isn't just "welp I don't want to deal with this anymore". Fauna didn't get tired of the status quo, Cover is changing things that are unacceptable to the talents, and what the fuck are those things actually, when it's bad enough that Fauna of all people feels forced to leave?

>> No.90727461

>>90726064
I don't have to believe anything when their contributions are there for everyone to see copeling. Show me Fauna's

>> No.90727492

>>90727179
No talent has claimed they're being overworked, but it's being circulated as a fact in the community because of the talent often being "busy", so the talents are just clarifying on the topic.
In the case of Niji, multiple former talents had made claims, that current talent would then try and downplay.

>> No.90727508

>>90727074
That’s also true. The same thing was happening with Phase Connect back when Yuri was terminated. People were watching the company like a hawk and sperging over anything that could possibly be perceived negatively, to the point that the talents, who largely regarded the termination as “unfortunate but oh well,” seemed to start to have mental issues about it.

>> No.90727523

>>90726973
>Disliking her doing something wrong is hating them
Fuck off.

>> No.90727536

>>90714316
This is why none of them can ever truly be friends btw. If one of them rocks the boat a little bit, they are immediately perceived as a threat by everyone. Notice how "sad" the girls were that Fauna was leaving and then began damage control as soon as they saw fan reactions. Corporate vtubing is rotten to the core. After all, why believe your friend about management when YOU'RE doing just fine, right? The JP holos have all been cunty about it and have soured my opinion on them in less than a day. No one is your friend, no one cares about the audience. It's all about comfort and money.

>> No.90727548

>>90727390
Where's the lie?

>> No.90727569

>>90727179
I think it's because many of those same talents were previously all complaining about management too. But when Fauna (who probably complained the least) leaves citing management as her reason, suddenly they're trying to downplay the whole management thing as instead a change in company direction.

>> No.90727594

>>90727250
>muh sub noombers
HDF isn't sending its best

>> No.90727600

>>90727536
>being sad that a friend is leaving
>not wanting fans to go nuclear and hurt you in the process
These are not, in fact, mutually exclusive

>> No.90727610

>>90727435
Ame organized a shit ton of creative big group collabs before her tummy hort era and even then she was helping behind the scenes. What did Fauna do besides collecting the paycheck and doing the same shit over and over in her little bubble?

>> No.90727654

>>90727569
Could it possibly be because of the community blowing up about it? You know, the factor that changed?

>> No.90727660

>>90727594
>muh ccv
numberlings aren't sending their best

>> No.90727739

>>90727569
Probably because it is a change in company direction.

>> No.90727769

>>90727610
She did organize the dungeon games, those were nice.
Honestly much better than Mori's overwrought attempts.

>> No.90727799

>>90727435
>whereas Fauna was incredibly active
The only thing Fauna was more active than Ame was streaming because certainly she wasn't active in any brach or cover project, or her own projects kek

>> No.90727863

>>90726518
Yeah, between this, and Korone's statement telling everyone to calm their tits, it feels like the truth is that either Fauna was fed up with the buraeucratic red tape (I.E. Moomin missing out on events due to her surgery and management neglecting to divulge details to her that would've made her appear on time), or some of the upper managers being extra exploitative to her (What happened to Pomu and Vivi).

>> No.90727861

>>90714316
>What will you say if Gura or Mumei leave because of management as well? Believe then?
I don't think most fans will believe Cover if there are more HoloEN graduations in the next several months. That is why the other talents don't want to be overly harsh when talking about the changes that Cover are making because some talents hate them, some talents are indifferent, and some talents are okay with them. The problem is that fans don't know what is actually changing so the fact that talents are choosing to graduate makes it easy to doompost.

Ame and Fauna were some of the most level headed talents, Gura has always liked being Gura, and the work visa situation with Ina makes it really hard to believe anything from Cover. Whatever management is planning to change they need to start being honest instead of feeding us obvious lies.

>> No.90727922

>>90722789
Of course she doesn't know lmao
>>90723158
Of course the Sonic and Honda ambassador says that

>> No.90727963

>>90727660
>>90727594
Neither are relevant. Only merch sales matter

>> No.90727995

>>90727523
>doing something wrong
She is literally jsut telling you to calm your fucking tits, you ape. You're the one schizoposting like an escaped asylum patient throwing a fit at literal air.

>> No.90727998

>>90720989
Ah yeah, also worth noting that she’s been on-off active on her rm twitter for years now. By that logic, 2022 would be spelling the end of Nanashi Mumei. This isn’t something to take as a “sign”

>> No.90728126

>>90727769
Wow so much contribution, what a pillar! What about 3D lives? sponsors? Organized big group collabs? Her own hardworked projects? I don't like Mori either but saying a shitty dungeon game is better than the work put from someone with a label, shitting out music left and right, and even organizing shit for the branch as a whole is much better just invalidates your attempts at making Fauna seem like a pillar. There's little time left for you in this community sapling and I cant wait for your kind to fuck off. You contributed nothing just like your oshi, good riddance

>> No.90728416

>>90727739
Yeah like one with overhead staff outnumbering talents 8:1 but still having trouble renewing a talent's visa or paying contractors on time without the Japanese government stepping in. But sure, let them use the "change in company direction" euphemism to explain away repeated examples of shitty management.

>> No.90728471

>>90720270
literal anti thread lmao

>> No.90729208

>>90727995
you call him a fucking ape? After telling him to call down? The irony

>> No.90729324

>>90727995
Care to remind me how often Korone has even spoken about Fauna? You're a fan so you should know, but then you're acting as though it isn't really fucking weird for Korone to weigh in on the situation of a person she only barely knows as a distant colleague and doesn't even really understand the language of beyond elementary school level.

>> No.90729564

>>90729324
Funny how you pretend it's just girls "weighing in" out of nowhere and not dramafags pestering them for their takes relentlessly.

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>>90729324
She can because she's been in holo for the better part of 5 years thus knows how to smell a lazy treacherous whore from a mile away.
And trust me, treason completely transcends any sort of language barrier.

>> No.90729717

>>90729564
Spare me the laughable strawman bullshit faggot. Miko has a perfectly reasonable, measured take. Korone telling her fans to calm down regarding an issue she clearly doesn't know anything about is a really shitty move.
>>90729597
Ah, the real anti reveals himself. Figures.

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>>90729208
>call down
Calm down, koko.

>> No.90729808

>>90715184
Yeah sure, a month

>> No.90729828

>>90729597
You hate hololive so much you can't even pretend to be a fan properly

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>>90729324
>Dramafags pester her to talk about the current thing
>"I don't really know anything about that. All I can say is I haven't felt any issue with management. Might be different for non-JP, I don't know."
>OMG why the fuck does she think she knows anything about this?!

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>>90729324
>>90729717
Korone has been around for half a decade with little to no complaints

Fauna has been around for like, 3 years while running her mouth off about wanting to stay a Holo until she's old and decrepit and now she's leaving.

>> No.90729930

>>90729829
Funny how you quoted what Miko said and pretended it's what Korone said. Why didn't you use her actual words, anon?

>> No.90729941

>>90729717
>telling her fans to calm down
Wow, what a controversial take. Kys, dramanigger.

>> No.90729971

>>90714087
>Welp it's fun while it lasted
kill yourself dramafaggot

>> No.90729985

>>90729906
Never thought I'd see an actual Korone anti, trying to stir shit using her as an excuse.

>> No.90730038

>>90729941
>Nono I'll just disingenuously take what you said out of context and respond to it as though that's what you meant. Gottem! :^)
Fuck off.

>> No.90730088

>>90729985
Most of them are just mad that she's put in the work inspite of all the trials and tribulations the company threw at her, Fauna in comparison is folding for half the time that Korone's been a part of Hololive. It's just pathetic.

>> No.90730098

>>90729930
I paraphrased >>90729930 the post that started this whole retarded debate.

>> No.90730165

>>90730098
>Sperg can't even quote the right post
I'll do my best to pretend to be very surprised at your dysfunction, faggot.

>> No.90730199

>>90723158
"if you don't like how things are just fuck off then" gee thanks Korone.

>> No.90730252

>>90730098
My bad
I was paraphrasing >>90723158

>> No.90730317

>>90730199
>if you don't like how things are just fuck off then
The best advice that trannies here fail to comprehend.

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>>90729717
"Anti" for pointing out the obvious. This isn't your hugbox, faggot.
She tried blaming it all on management. It backfired terribly and now she's rightfully getting shit on. Deal with it.
>>90729828
Why yes I do indeed hate Hololive. In fact I hate Hololive so much that I've spent the past almost 5 years of my life forcing myself to watch it just to point out every single minuscule thing that's wrong with it.

>> No.90730371

>>90730165
>>90730252
Jesus, I can tell I haven't gotten much sleep.

>> No.90730385

>>90730317
>Just stop caring about the things you care about! :^)
As much as I resent the meme, what an utter beta cuck mentality.

>> No.90730448

>>90730364
Oh, it's even worse. An antifan. I know your oshi is branded as a dog but you don't have to behave like a rabid mutt by association, faggot. You're making your oshi look bad, and she'd be ashamed to have your fingers.

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>>90730385
>I care about shit I literally have no control over
Do your family a favor and kill yourself, Christ.

>> No.90730616

>>90730385
It's the opposite of cuck mentality but ofc you wouldn't know about that.

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>>90729985
>>90730088
>Using someone as a positive example is now "trying to stir shit"
>As if people on this Moldovan soap carving forum haven't stirred enough shit

>> No.90730670

>>90730575
>Anon wants to reply but can't think of anything remotely sensible
>Replies anyway
Laughable.

>> No.90730720

>>90730665
>She's so good, AS OPPOSED TO THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
>I'm not stirring shit though :^)
Why... would you even try something this absurd?

>> No.90730738

>>90726818
death to cover is anti corporation, most fans are fans of the girls not the management
long live lemon leaf

>> No.90730822

>>90730720
90730088 is literally the exact same shit. Why aren't you complaining about that?

>> No.90730838

Besides the potential shift going on at Cover, this feels like a massive nothing burger.

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>>90730670
>Can't comprehend an image

>> No.90731063

>>90728126
No I agree with you, I'm just going to miss those.
Hopefully someone picks them up.

>> No.90731207

>>90730822
Ah, so you have no excuse for acting so wretched and are trying some good old whataboutisms. Neat.

>> No.90731261

>>90730991
You should probably take some meds against those voices anon. Who are you talking to?

>> No.90731449

>>90718778
Kek I would expect this respond from the sis and not from holodrone. Ironic isn't it?

>> No.90731613

>>90731449
>I would expect this respond
Fucking Korone speaks english better.

>> No.90731616

I like fauna but as the vegan she is, likely said something bad about mikochi mcdonald sponsorship or maybe even refused to go back to japan and visit again the miko's dungeon.

That's unforgivable.

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