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Why aren't EN2 taking the world by storm?
Is the hype ogre?

>> No.8822504

hype is ogey
I feel they were announced and debuted too quickly, thus not so much hyped as gen1
WHERE IS GEN6

>> No.8822883

>>8822441
There's no real break-out moment for the gen at the moment. No loli shark singing Ride on Time, no rapping reaper asking you to RIP. There's been nothing to really catch the public's attention nor spark their imagination.

The closest thing would've probably been Sana's art of the HoloCouncil but even that's been downplayed to the point where most people forget that Sana's an accomplished artist.
Once Kronii and Mumei's songs get released the gen will get more attention, but while I've liked what I've heard from the clips of both they don't immediately stand out from the crowd like the EN examples I've stated. They're good, but not unique.

>> No.8822939

the real reason is that lockdowns are dwindling and people arent consuming as much online entertainment anymore

>> No.8822964

>>8822504
>where is gen6
Three more JP graduations, anon.

>> No.8823036

>>8822441
Yes. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial.

>> No.8823747

>>8822441
>ogre
Sing?

>> No.8823888

>>8822441
Nothing interesting to live up to the hype of gen 1. And also I know lots of friends who don't care about gen 2 because no loli.

>> No.8824196
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8824196

EN1 are the best generation of all time, so it's hard to live up to.

>> No.8824257

>>8822441
no one buy this lore shit, especially with retarded power hungry manager

>> No.8824314

Jewtube is suppressing them hard for whatever reason

>> No.8824358

They're so far above every other english vtuber apart from their senpai and you retards still act like they're failing because they aren't getting 50k viewers per stream

>> No.8824446

>>8822441
Managers debuffs

>> No.8824479

>>8824314
Kind of weird since Hololive superchats make up around 30% of Youtubes revenue at this point

>> No.8824563

>>8823888
lack of loli is honestly surprising. Like her or not the tiny shark was the breakout star of HoloEN and I'm surprised that wouldn't be able to find someone comprable out of all their auditions since you could imagine there'd be a lot of people eager to emulate Gura's success.

>> No.8824593

>>8822441
EN1 was a fluke/miracle whatever you want to call it. They're not any better than regular youtubers but were the first major entry into the market under a bif corporate name and that got attention during a time when people couldn't leave the house. EN2 has no such advantages, confusing and overplayed lore, and nothing to really set them apart from the now-saturated market. NijiEN is the same way, and like them, EN2 is successful and finding their own audiences

>> No.8824603

>>8822441
Vtuber oversaturation and the novelty of the concept is dying down.

>> No.8824630

>>8824479
ha.Hahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahaha.
You have no idea how small of a drop in the bucket Superchats ultimately are Anon.
YT could lose all SC income and not even blink at the amount.

>> No.8824639

>>8822441
In practical terms?
It's because Covid is over as far as people's lifestyles are concerned.

>> No.8824671

>>8822441
vtubers is a dying fad. I cant stand watching any streams from Hololive anymore that can keep my interest. Might as well retired from this hobby.

>> No.8824773

>>8824563
Yeah I guess people were just really disappointed. You can't spell Hololive without 'loli', and yet we got none. We're truly not in Hololive spirit rn.

>> No.8824793

>>8824603
>>8824671
Yeah, I think we're going to hit a point where the biggest vtubers maintain a steady audience and the stragglers start dropping like flies.

>> No.8825016

>>8824793
Feels like alot of vtubers are retiring and more surprising twitter vtuber staring to drop out

>> No.8825117

>>8824630
Yet they'll still lord demonetization over your chuubas head, and maul their SC donations. Jewtube is usurious.

>> No.8825157

>>8824671
Personally find it hard to fit a 4 hr stream into my day rather just watch alot of small videos. Think that's why Marine is blowing up now with her animated skits

>> No.8825186
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>>8822441
The hype is ogre, I repeat, the hype is ogre, unleash the JP 7 gen now

>> No.8825257

>>8824773
To be honest I'm not sure how many loli vtubers you could get that would make a casual audience stand up and take notice like she did. Only one I can think of is Ironmouse, but she's in a good spot where she is.

>> No.8825289

>>8822441
No cunny. Every gen without a cunny is lackluster.

>> No.8825303
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8825303

>>8822441
This is normal, not sure why people were expecting EN2 to be as popular as EN1. Hololive blew up, there was a bunch of hype, and then it died down and plateaued. It happens to everything that suddenly gains popularity. Chill out.

>> No.8825322

Didn't they lost like 100-200k subs since debut?

>> No.8825332

IRyS unironically killed the hype, people can't be assed to get hyped up for two new members in short succession.

Look at how slow they're growing, even Kronii who by all measures is extremely popular is growing at a snail's pace.

>> No.8825379

>>8825322
Youtube automatically removed those, they think the subscribers are bots. 200k+ people subscribing to a channel with no videos is super suspicious.

>> No.8825384

>>8822939
The age of vtubers is over. The time of the woman has come.

>> No.8825409

>>8825303
New generations for vtubers are almost always more popular than the last ones because they're building upon the previous audience. For the trend to reverse just means that they're reclining instead of growing.

>> No.8825456

>>8825117
Lot of small timers hopped on the YouTube train since that's where Hololive was despite Twitch being a better outlet for grabbing casual viewers. Wouldn't be surprised if some of the more sensible indies and small groups get tired of The Algorithm fucking them and switch to Twitch even if it lacks that JP chuba cred.

>> No.8825514

>>8825117
You do realize youtube is operated at a loss? The only thing keeping it going is that its an excellent source of market research etc. and a good place to test out algorithm shit.

>> No.8825528

>>8822883
Yeah, there really no "Wow!" moments like Mori's rapping, Gura's singing or Ame's batshit concoction finale. Also EN1 were the new thing for those not familiar with JP chuubas and did not have the coof at its height to give them a captive audience. They will all incline when people start spending more time inside and the rest of the chuuba world isn't going to sit around and let Hololive monopolise the scene.

>> No.8825645

>>8825514
And yet they still chose to yank most ad revenue from normal videos and direct it to fund shitty YouTube Original junk.

>> No.8825733

>>8825456
Youtube vs twitch is a constant source of debate in the indie crowd. Smaller agencies like Phase Connect have pointed out that the viewer number data is unreliable on youtube too. It's a difficult situation, because both companies suck ass, so you're left with youtube's unreliable numbers and constant fuck ups vs Twitch's culture, which turns a lot of holofans and nijifans off.

>> No.8825787
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8825787

>>8825514
>operate at a loss
It's all completely lies, Youtube is one of google's biggest earners and they've been hiding this data for years.

>> No.8825854

>>8825645
Yeah. Google have zero interest in making youtube profitable or more creator friendly. It's literally a research platform for them.

>> No.8825922

>>8822441
They consumed too much hype just for Irys, so there wasn't as much going around for EN2.
They also don't have any heavy hitters (no one releasing a song day one, not taking advantage of Sana's art), the market is saturated and maybe not growing enough to prevent canibalism.
EN2 will be fine, they won't grow nearly as much as EN1, and probably not enough to justify a EN3 anytime soon, maybe ever.

>> No.8825948

>>8822441
cause we hear and speak english every day and interact with western girls our whole lives while japanese girls are still exotic and different, while the japanese audience prefers JP girls
so, the pool of people that would like to watch EN hololive vtubers is already limited and sees limited growth and that base & growth is now spread over more channels/girls where its just thinner

>> No.8825996

>>8825787
Classic Hollywood math.
>Sorry our accountants say the massively successful blockbuster film you were in actually made zero profit so you get no residuals.

>> No.8826080

>>8822441
They shouldn't have gone with 6 people so soon, maybe let EN1 do aniversary stuff to get more hype, and end that period with the announcement of EN2, which would be Irys + 3/4 others.

>> No.8826263

They are still as popular as any holo. If you are thinking about subs, remember youtube slashed like 150k subs which is just bullshit. People are all talking about EN 2 on /vt/ as well.

Yet 2 criticisms are well-deserved:
- No knock-out singer. None compare to the favorites we have in the /vsinger/ thread such as Hachi or Chima.
- No knock-out gamer. There is no sweaty gamer like Selen who could bring in the Apex crowd (the largest game in JP right now), or any other big gaming scenes.
They have a knock-out artist in Sana but that is not much hype since Ina and other holoparents already do it professionally anyway. If you come later, you have to do something unique, or plain better.

>> No.8826281

>>8825456
>>8825514

IDC, Jewtube deserves to lose revenue.

>> No.8826399

>>8822441
Is the hype over? Yes. Susan killed the hype. Damn Susan.

>> No.8826438

Tbh I'm not really sure what all the doomposting is about. If they keep getting 5 digit viewer numbers, they're absoloutely a success. The only ones I'd be concerned about are Sana and Baelz, and I think Sana will develop a KFP-esque tight-knit loyal and generous fanbase and be fine. If you were exoecting a million subs and 90k viewers every stream I dunno what to tell you. Plus youtubes analytics seem ridiculously unreliable right now amd should be disregarded until they get their shit together.

Personally, I'm more worried about the smaller agencies that can't even reach 3 digits most streams. NijiEn as well to a lesser extent. The market place is currenrtly dominated by HoloEN amd Vshoujo, and could turn into a medium where you either get lucky and find success as an indie (and then need to try and retain a loyal following), or just try and work your way into one of the two agencies that guarantee 4 digit views (and might not always do so if future gens = even more overlap).

>> No.8826531

>>8826438
Indies and smaller agencies are thriving right now, they're growing everyday and getting massive gachis that drop akasupas every stream. Not to mention smaller agencies are faster on merchandising too which gives out faster revenue and give a big cut to their talents.

You dont need hololive numbers to be big or successful, they're at the top of the industry but you can very comfortably make a living off the numbers the indies and small agencies are doing now and they're still rapidly growing and finding their own audience.

>> No.8826593

>>8822504
>I feel they were announced and debuted too quickly, thus not so much hyped as gen1
Your assessment is pretty retarded. Considering amost every other gen (Except EN2) were announced then immediately unloaded. EN Managers are to blame for EN2s failure. They tried to change the winning formula by hyping up a shitty gen with shitty lore. All those Cube videos killed the hype. The designs killed the hype. Not to mention Susan slashing their sub counts, adding on to the dog piling.

>> No.8826745
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8826745

>>8822441
They were promoted as extraordinary special - godlike, lore, all that shit. But on arrival, there is absolutely nothing special about any of them.
It's like going to BK, seeing all those awesome burgers in the menu and then receiving some squished thing that doesn't even remotely look like the ones you saw.

Overhyped, underdelivered, mundane, forgettable.

>> No.8826836

>>8822441
vtuber fatigue
too many cunts, too little variety

>> No.8827018

>>8826745
I don't think I can fault the talent for that. They're good at what they do but what they do isn't groundbreaking. EN1 was a paradigm shift in changing not only how western audiences saw vtubers but how Hololive and other groups started to approach western audiences.

EN2 wasn't going to provide another paradigm shift, nor do I think Hololive wanted them to. Cover are in a good place and rather than try to change trends they likely wanted EN2 to continue the same course.

>> No.8827151

>>8822441
cuz people finally realize how shit hololive is,
literally no talent, their singing sucks as well, cumbuckets think goora is a good single but they've never heard fuji aoi or kaf's group, or even kimino miya and her univirtual singing contests.

>> No.8827155

they're all kinda boring tbqhdesufam

>> No.8827205

>>8826836
thats cuz retards only watch holoshit, and don't watch actual good vtubers like eilene

>> No.8827349

>>8826593
>They tried to change the winning formula by hyping up a shitty gen with shitty lore.
EN managers have a big ego now huh... Motherfuckers really thought that EN1s success was all their doing
>All those Cube videos killed the hype.
Didn't watch. Felt like pointless marketing. Just give me the fucking product. I mean, I know exactly what I'm getting, there's no point in advertising.
>The designs killed the hype.
EN2 should've just stole Gen3s Color pallet like how EN1 stole Gen4s color pallet.
>Susan slashing their sub counts, adding on to the dog piling.
Thank You Susan. Now JP managers can unleash Gen6 and Dab or T-pose on these EN manager hoes. Simple is best. Fuck your lore shit.

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8827390

>>8827018
Correct. What made it bad is poor, overhyped promoting. If they were promoted a bit less and given gimmicks that are less repulsive, it would be much better. But alas, damage is already done.

They will generally be remembered as what they ended up being - an "entertainment fast food" to enjoy from time to time, if even remembered. Not even decent fast food as well, one of the patties arrived slightly burnt.

>> No.8827449

>>8827390
>Not even decent fast food as well, one of the patties arrived slightly burnt.
Why you gotta treat Sana like that

>> No.8827599

>>8827449
Blame the cook, not the patty.

>> No.8827759

>>8827390
To resort to the overused wrestling vernacular, it's WWE wanting the brand to be the draw and no one to get over who they don't want to. Coco did a lot for the company but I don't see them hiring someone like Coco again: someone with (to them) radical ideas regarding streaming who will likely feel stifled by the company's restrictions and eventually leave, taking their audience with them.

>> No.8827835

>no lolis
>Only good one is a nigger Aussie with a terrible timeslot
Yeah it's pretty much ogre

>> No.8827846

>>8826438
Most of the failed 2views are either babinikus or have really bad models

>> No.8827872

>>8827390
>If they were promoted a bit less
Proven nonsense. Statistics show marketing and hype work in generating attention and making people check stuff out. There is a reason companies pay millions for ads. Their debut streams all have like a million views. Marketing dept did a great job. Whether the girls can retain viewers is entirely up to them, but they can not blame marketing.

>> No.8827927
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8827927

>>8822441
IRyS stole the hype, no I'm not her anti but I'm trying to be subjective here

t.work in marketing consulting firm

>> No.8828000

>>8822441
There's no novelty to it, no cinderella story, no uncharted territory. They are just the second in line to support what has already been established, not to revolutionize the vtubing scene.
Personally I think it's fine this way, they can comfortably ride the wave of success that has been prepared for them and give viewers more variety. Maybe there are some surprises in store still but I don't believe it, seems like cover wanted to play it safe this time around.

>> No.8828082

>>8827759
At least we have Ame, and hell, who knows what some of the other talents might grow into. Sana has potential imo, just needs to put a bit more effort in instead of bread shitposting.

>> No.8828161

>>8827846
There is a lot of failed 2views though, like holy shit: https://www.twitch.tv/directory/all/tags/52d7e4cc-633d-46f5-818c-bb59102d9549?sort=VIEWER_COUNT_ASC

>> No.8828398

>>8827927
Even with IRyS debuff, design debuff, delay debuff, and other coping debuff, EN2 still managed to attract higher audience than IRyS.

>> No.8828538

>>8827927
I still don't know why an english Vsinger branch exists. All it does is marginalise the music the main EN branches attempt to put out and marginalises the non-music content that the Vsinger branch puts out.

>> No.8828662

>>8822441
It all boils down to this question imo —
Is the vtuber market at its saturation point (within reason)? Do new generations actually attract net new viewers, or do they just divert views away from previous gens?

>> No.8828697

>>8825456
>Wouldn't be surprised if some of the more sensible indies and small groups get tired of The Algorithm fucking them and switch to Twitch even if it lacks that JP chuba cred.
Already happened.

>> No.8828927

>>8828662
It is well saturated as long as they bring nothing new to the table.
Gura and gen 1 woke up the existing but dormant global fanbase, bringing even the JP girls a giant boost. But that waking up only happens once.

If there is a godlike singer or gamer or anything that makes them completely unique, they can pull in new audiences. Otherwise, they are competing with their senpais' audience for viewers. They can certainly help fill in the dead timezone slots, but there is a reason why EN primetimes and JP primetimes are fought over.

>> No.8829022

>>8825384
Based.

Sasha Grey is streaming a museum tour in italy on twitch right now, it's pretty comfy come check it out.

>> No.8829276

>>8828662
I don't think the vtuber market is at saturation but I do think the market Hololive wants to target getting very congested and they are reluctant to diversify.

>> No.8829344

>>8825379
Makes the most sense

>> No.8829410

>>8825379
Did Botan have that kind of issue with all her initial subs?

>> No.8829482

>>8829410
The latest Niji gen does. One of them even cried on twitter.

>> No.8829520

>>8826836
>too many cunts, too little variety
And yet theyre still afraid to even say the word cunt. Ironic.

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