/asp/ - Aspiring Vtuber and Startup

[Anonymous No.]

What is /asp/?

A thread where we discuss our vtuber aspirations! Whether it's agency-based or independent, let's help each other grow and make it as entertainers. Indies are welcome to join, but shill responsibly. Share what knowledge, insights, what works/doesn't work for you. Remember to do your research before providing personally identifying information to companies online!

FAQ:
Do I need an expensive, fully rigged Live2D model to be a vtuber?
No! You can always start out as a pngtuber!

Where can I learn how to Live2D rig avatars?
Check out Brian Tsui's (of Iron Vertex) YouTube channel!

Where can I find artists/riggers?
Skeb.jp, ArtStation, DeviantArt, Twitter, Reddit, etc.

Where can I learn how to digital market myself?
https://learndigital.withgoogle.com/digitalgarage

Where can I find some good games to stream?
https://twitchtracker.com/games
https://sullygnome.com/

Twitch or Youtube?
Multistream to both.

RESOURCES:
General: https://pastebin.com/AJLkFrGK (embed)
OpSec Guide: https://pastebin.com/2mkc8x9P (embed)
List of Assets and other resources: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQHyRDZ3nxlIINfZz_wWCbgQ9gR4OgbTFhyGwq45DseUixkJJKbUmhPjnkWcmh7dOCDdxObAZXv_zti/pubhtml

NEW AUDITIONS:
PHASE CONNECT GEN 2 NOW OPEN
>site
https://phase-connect.com/auditions/
>form
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSduL0o4NY8weiiZTp3Teyn73z_Jcf-xv4fabqm1bkVGUmx5wQ/viewform

Prism Project Generation 4 (deadline 9/20)
https://www.prismproject.jp/audition
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc5-p6bY-9XgTxAywu9K8VgQ3IHKP9zxYzkuxTP2SoA6iZRtQ/viewform

Phase Connect Generation 2 (deadline 10/31)
https://phase-connect.com/auditions/
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSduL0o4NY8weiiZTp3Teyn73z_Jcf-xv4fabqm1bkVGUmx5wQ/viewform

Cyberlive Generation 2 (deadline 9/17)
https://www.cyberlivecorp.com/audition
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf3NFRzPsh21EbmZOoDNms595bSPTuFrCb_nseuyYdwr79KyQ/viewform

VShojo (deadline 9/30)
https://www.reddit.com/r/VShojo/comments/p894j7/announcement_auditions_for_vshojo_start/?context=3
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSegQKgJGaKAu56-x09gr_VhMiaDSGwCRBTvovuP0nZtTaQtxQ/viewform

Kawaii Productions Generation 2(?) (8/31 deadline)
https://production-kawaii.com/en/home-2/
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdCzI73mkmVSDbIMvHVOml0Gzie540dzjwrVVTvmN2whMzb5w/viewform

Stay grounded, stay hopeful. Don't kill yourself yet.

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[Anonymous No.]

how do i break 20 viewers?

[Anonymous No.]

How do I break 2 viewers?

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>>8805131
Maybe your family can give you a pity view.

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>>8804923
>>8805131
Wait you guys are getting views?

[Anonymous No.]

How do a mindbreak viewers so they simp hard for me and me alone?

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>>8805385
if you're cute I'll simp for you and only you

[Anonymous No.]

how do I make my vidya streams better? like what do I do besides play and talk

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>>8806494
do you have any role model streamers? even traditional webcam streamers. see what they do and how you can emulate it.

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whatever you do, don't fucking do the x amounts of likes/retweets to reveal model on twitter

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>>8806937
I can't stand that. It seems like a surefire way to be a VTweeter rather than actually streaming.

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Do you ever use your current Vtuber model for audition videos?

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>>8807255
if you've got it, might as well. you need to give them your socials anyway.

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>>8804923
>>8805131
Evaluate your own content. What are you doing to push yourself beyond your comfort zone? How are you marketing yourself to new audiences?

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>>8806937
i think a some /here/chuubas have done parodies on that instead of actually doing a like/retweet goal
i think i know someone did it time based and another did one where they showed the preview and then destroyed the image and did a full reveal

[Anonymous No.]

Hey bros, how do I groom an indie?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8810816
talk to time nicely. Literally give them attention. PLease give me attention anon. I'll be your little indie vtuber boy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8807578
>What are you doing to push yourself beyond your comfort zone?
what does this even mean? playing games i don't usually play?

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>>8811971
How much do you try to learn on the daily basically. Are you thinking about how to better edit? How to better respond to in game events? What you need to improve on what you have?

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>>8810973
if (fem)boy, sure

[Anonymous No.]

>Start making some clips over the last week
>x hours of watching the stream and noting moments of interest
>~30 minutes of going through the video again afterwards to decide which moments to keep and getting the timestamps right
>~1 hour of going through the video in ShotCut and cutting those segments out
>~2 hours of editing the video through positioning the segments, adding transitions, and adding a handful of simple SFX and visual adjustment gags
>~30 minutes of writing down the dialogue
>~90 minutes of timing and styling the subtitles in Aegisub
>~30 minutes of encoding across this if there aren't any issues requiring it to be done again
>~30 minutes of uploading the video and adding descriptions and checking it over for any remaining issues before making it public
>All that for an 8 minute long video

There has to be a way to speed this process up, I can't imagine someone like ShabbySubz putting out his clips almost every day if it took him this long every time. And yet the only area I can see things getting any faster is in figuring out ShotCut's peculiarities that make adding transitions awkward sometimes; the last video had a messed up invisible transition on the timeline that left a visual fuckup on the video that took me half an hour to figure out. A way to automatically sort all segments on the timeline in order with transitions between them would be a huge help, but as far as I can tell ShotCut has no such functionality, so for dozens of cuts I have to place them and add transitions manually. Would Vegas or AfterEffects have something like that to make things much easier? I also tried OpenShot and in some ways that was easier to work with than ShotCut, but it also ran like absolute shit since it lacks hardware acceleration.

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>>8812912
Link to the video?

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>>8812912
The speed method is likely having someone else do it.

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>>8812912
seconding this question, I would love to know how to make editing videos not feel like gargling glass dust.

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>>8813149
I don't feel like responding to everyone asking this so I'm picking you.

Literally, get used to the style and have a general base idea of how you want to format your clip content. And then stick with that style, tweak and improve it for sure, but keep the barebones going. The more you do it, the faster you can do it. If you keep certain elements simple, and consistent, you can quite reliably pump out 5 min clips in roughly 45 mins.

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ding-dong diddly

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>>8812912
Instead of watching back over and editing, I’d recommend getting a small macro keyboard and using a hotkey for the Replay Buffer function of OBS; you can save fun parts that your chat seems to like in real time.

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>>8812912
you need to stop wasting your time on editing clips no one watches. stream, network, create content, find fans who will do the work for you.

fuck the anon who said /asp/ies need to learn how to edit clips. there's at least 2 anons who waste hours of their week when they could be networking editting clips that get single digit views.

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>>8792221
https://voca.ro/1iGtJQ1dNnJC
Side note, if anyone’s got advice on reducing a nasally sound, I’d appreciate it. I’ve heard yawning can do some good, though that seems like a temporary solution.

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>>8814560
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENun4U9HN6A

I watched this today, maybe it can help?

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.twitch.tv/toasty_mm

Streaming right NOW! check us out!

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>>8814693
fuck off to /wvt/ no one cares
>>8814560
stop trying to force your voice down. vocal chords are unique in that any damage you cause to them is permanent. once they get damaged you lose access to that range forever. it's physically impossible to ever get it back. unless you have a voice coach, stop fucking around with higher or deeper voices just because some random anon on the internet said so. just talk at the pitch you normally speak in.

learn to embrace your voice, stop trying to talk so breathy, it's awkward as fuck and its painfully obvious that you're trying to talk a certain way. if you're going to post a vocaroo, post a vocaroo that best emulates what your standard stream is going to sound like and stop fucking around with your voice unless you want to ruin your vocal chords permanently.

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>>8813575
>>8813654
Well I was talking about clips of other vtubers' content, not my own. That would definitely be a waste of time.

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>>8805131
Install Vid IQ, if you have a Chrome browser. Watch the tutorials, and find good games to stream. Mix your streams with videos (for Youtube).

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>>8814640
Sick, thanks a ton! I didn’t realize posture had such a big impact on one’s voice, though I suppose it makes sense.
>>8814794
https://voca.ro/1e1RLp3RU0Gp
I was worried I sounded like a tryhard - I appreciate you letting me know now.

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>>8814794
>fuck off to /wvt/ no one cares
your not in much of a position to enforce such a rule when your trying to promo as an up and comer desu. I could understand this attitude if you were at least somewhat notable, but doing this when you have nobody to defend your snobbish actions?

elitist at best and pathetic at worst. this general doesnt say anything about exclusivity to region or preference. we are all startups here. Why discriminate?

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>>8815685
>your
I support anyone discriminating against you.

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>>8815685
Ignore that anon he's kinda of a tsundere

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>>8813654
This isn't entirely true.
Challenge/gimmick runs of games can work well to gain an audience. But that's not really what people watch VTubers for.
It's always possible someone can come along and change the meta, but unlikely to be someone from here.
With VTubing and clips, it's mostly about going hard on clickbait and memes.
Videos should be kept as short as possible and nothing insane needs to be done on their editing.
If it only takes a person a short amount of time to upload clips, they should do it, because you never know. But they would have a much better chance of being seen on TikTok than they would YT.

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>>8814794
>chords

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>>8804753
I don't know who needs to hear this but please, even if nobody is watching, say SOMETHING. I like checking out 2 view who's and hanging out if they seem cool, and the worst possible thing you could do to gain viewers is just fucking sit there. Talk about anything, what you're drawing, how your day was, what you're playing, how your grandma fucking died. Anything is better than nothing.

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>>8816164
>a much better chance of being seen on TikTok than they would YT

I've been downloading my clips (ones I take myself, or ones viewers make), adding subs, and then re-uploading them directly to Twitter, Tiktok, and YT.

The original clip on Twitter gets maybe 4 views. Probably one or two of them is myself. YT gets 1 view at best. Twitter gets <40 views, and around a 10~20% interaction rate. Tiktok gets either 50/150 views and no interaction, or 500 views and ~1% interaction rate.

Similar numbers like the video as they do on Twitter, but I'm reaching a minimal audience in 24 hours on Tk than I do in a week on Tw.

Generally I sit at average 6 viewers. Since posting on Tk I've been raided three times by 15+ raiders, from streams I don't watch or interact with myself - they can ONLY come from Tk or randomly finding me, 15 positions down the game directory.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any collection of Irasutoya content somewhere so I don't have to go downloading hundreds of images individually or trying to search things out on the site when the need arises?

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>>8805181
>>8804923
When starting out you might give a stream link to all your family members, friends, friends of their friends, friends of family members, cat lady next door, hobos you find on the street and even stray dogs.
And this might just work, since each of them have a chance of giving your link to someone else, it also breaks this 0views wall.

>>8812912
>>8813149
This most of the time >>8813122
You could also write some python scripts to automate this shit.

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>>8817310
>give a stream link to all your family members, friends, friends of their friends, friends of family members, cat lady next door, hobos you find on the street and even stray dogs.
But then I won't be able to talk about lolis being sexy.

[Anonymous No.]

When the God of War on PS4 came out i uploaded how i defeated the hardest boos in the game on the hardest difficulty.
It got me around 2k views of that clip.

Someone might find this info useful.

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bump

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>>8817372
Sure you can, if you're not a coward

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>>8817372
just say you're playing a character

[Anonymous No.]

I've recently started streaming and average >15 viewers. Once I establish my niche and consistent schedule I'm hoping to grow more. I'm a pngtuber atm with no rush to get a live2d. I'd like to grow my audience first and see if I keep with this whole stick first. Saying that I'm sad I won't be able to audition for vshojo. Crossing my fingers they open applications in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

Let's say you have an indie chuuba starting from absolutely 0. If they streamed every day what would "reasonable" growth look like? Obviously they probably wouldn"t be at 1000 subs within the week or anything, but is it possible to say "This much by week 1 is fine. This much by week 2 is fine."? I'd just like to see what realistic expectations look like for this sort of thing.

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>>8823048
It'll be weird. Starting from absolute 0, no media presence, you're kind of relying on random people finding you for your first growth. Getting a 5-person raid could mean you get your first five followers, or maybe you get really lucky with a 50-person.

I'm a game only streamer, m*le, pngtuber, and 0 before anything. I got 50 followers on week 6, which got me affiliate. I'm now 10 weeks in and on 90 followers, so relatively steady growth of ~1 follower/day. But I'm on two~four days a week, not seven.

Make sure you network, and you get all your social media set up. Any clip you post could see you blow up, so you need to cast your net wide.

[Anonymous No.]

I managed to get hundreds of people to follow me by doing some in-game related stuff that got attention from a certain community on twitch.
It got to about 70 viewers at peak.
BUT
I still get 0 viewers following months.
What the fuck?
I am starting to think that the common viewers/followers ratio is very low overall and you need hundred thousands that would translate to 100-1000 viewers.

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>>8824637
Or maybe i am absolute shit at entertaining people on myself.

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>>8823048
Reasonable growth is 0.
Just streaming everyday won't help.

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>>8824637
everyone watched you for that specific thing, they don't care about whatever else you do. that's just how it works.

[Anonymous No.]

If you're a girl and you play Megaman X Command mission I will sub to your channel 0 questions asked.

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>>8825917
I have to move on then and think about this number as 0?
Fuck, numbers always get to your head...

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>>8824637
Did you stop streaming the Thing that got you the viewers? Because that’ll be it.

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>>8826568
There's two things you need to do
1 - Get viewers
2 - Keep viewers

2 is more important in the long-term. You can't grow if you're losing viewers at the end of each stream, never to return. You need to constantly be ready to make the most of any opportunity that comes your way, and convert new viewers into followers

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Question for the m*le choobas, on the topic of viewer retention, do you notice a difference when a male or female streamer raids you? Looking at my analytics, whenever a girl raids me everyone almost immediately bounces but if its a guy the viewer count slopes down more gradually. I don't know if that's a me problem or just the type of audience they cultivate

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>>8830652
i find that i have better viewer retention when the chuuba raiding me is doing the same content that i am.

chuuba doing a zatsudan just wrapped up and raids my zatsudan? that's an easy 60-70% retention, especially i can bounce off what their previous zatsudan was and keep carrying a conversation with the new viewers. but if an artchuuba raids me when i'm playing games? they're not going stick around because the content is completely different. this is regardless of male or female raiding chuuba.

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I've been really wanting to join a group bc I think the dynamic is really fun but I've also been growing a lot as an indie so I'm worried I'll miss tubing as them and my lil community I've built

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>>8830652
Yeah, if another m*le raids me, then a few of them stick around. female, they'll tend to not last.

That changes when it's someone I know, and am active in their chat. If I get raided by a friend, and chat with them, then I'll generally have a relatively good retention rate

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>>8831441
do a couple of collabs and see where it leads you. that's how veibae got into Vshojo over the course of 2 months. because it was pretty gradual, she kept most of her original viewers and even gained new ones with the big announcement.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm tempted to get in on this vtubing thing.

The sort of content I'd be wanting to do is educational and self improvement stuff. Trying to encourage my viewers to exercise, learn stuff, etc.
With some gaming streams thrown in for good measure/relaxation.
Heavy focus on interacting with the community.
Most female vtubers seem to do the whole girlfriend experience thing. I guess you could call what I'm thinking of as "encouraging father experience", think Hank Scorpio meets Mr Rogers.

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>>8804753
>All those auditions.

So I'm guessing were going to have a January and February packed with debuts like we had on June and July.

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>>8831604
Sounds cool, i would watch.

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>>8831822
By the looks of it nobody really does this.
You do get a few vtubers who encourage some specific thing. Like Ina who's gotten a lot of people practicing art on the regular.
But none who encourage a more general pattern of self improvement.

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>>8831912
>But none who encourage a more general pattern of self improvement.
the problem there is that a lot of "self improvement" ends up being useless for a general audience. actual useful advice can be summed in a week's worth of streams and then you're just repeating variations of it for the rest of your streams.
>go outside
>exercise
>stop relying on motivation and rely on habits
>be "open minded"
that's all wow-thanks-i'm-cured material

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>>8832023
True the goal here would be helping keep up motivation long enough for it to form habits.
Entertainment is a good way to do this. It's why basically everyone in the education sphere is obsessed with "gamifying learning" right now, because the first one to crack it for a general audience is going to redefine education until brain implants are common.

It's also why I'd be wanting to do a lot of educational streams. Since repeating things for new viewers wouldn't be as obvious when spread out between educational and gaming streams.

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>>8831604
I like how it sounds!! Looking foward for you, dadchuuba!

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>>8832023
To be fair. Normal well adjusted people don't watch vtubers.

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>>8815630
Oh hey you do sound less nasally.

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>>8816369
Yeah TikTok is really powerful. Its algorithm can promote content from a nobody quite easily, because users have limited control over what people can watch.

I've observed YT's problem with VTubing is Hololive and other agencies are leveraging the entire ecosystem in their favor. So unless you are marketing yourself as a different kind of content creator who "just happens to use an avatar" you'll get zero visibility. Agencies completely bury everything else. The only other chance at that point would be getting the good graces of clippers.

YT is a huge waste of time these days. But it never hurts to upload VODs and short clips, just in case you get lucky. I've had it happen before.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to do a monthlong subathon for Subtember on Twitch, but there's a few problems I've hit (mainly goals). What are some sub goals /asp/ would like? I know wanting subscribers is a fool's errand for a 2view, but it's always nice to have some insight on what people want

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>>8837174
cooking stream, karaoke stream, spicy food challenge, commissioned art, displaying some kind of talent you have like doing tricks on a skateboard in 'costume'

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>>8831604
This is a great idea. Looking forward to it, anon!

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>>8831604
why do it as a vtuber?

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>>8841014
The same reason anyone does any content as a vtuber. It's still trending and practically guarantees a baseline audience if you shill and network properly due to how the community supports itself.

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>>8841014
One reason is that yes its the current big thing. But also because I feel it might work better for building a connection with the audience and create a less predatory revenue stream.
Normally these kind of content creators don't have a great connection with their viewers and tend to wind up pushed towards extremely shady sponsorships or merchandising.
The supplements industry for example is all over this kind of content. You go to any kind of fitness channel and they'll be constantly shilling all kinds of powders and pills.

[Anonymous No.]

Pippa Athena collabo when?

[Anonymous No.]

I've been thinking if my format is right for what I want to do, I've been doing the electronics streams for a couple of weeks now but idk if I'm just marketing myself badly or if my delivery is wrong but I just can't seem to be getting any visibility

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>>8842569
do you have a specific target audience in mind?

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>>8843602
So I'm mostly aiming for an audience that's at least curious about electronics (the actual low level stuff, not devices), which I guess is really niche but still...
I also do some variety game streaming inbetween electronics streams, since they do need a bit of planning beforehand but I really don't want to make that my main thing

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>>8844723
I don't think these kind of content is suited for livestreaming. It sounds more like a content for uploading videos on a channel.

[Anonymous No.]

any /asp/ies participating in that twitch boycott on sept 1st?

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>>8846686
I guess, my primary idea was more of a 'stream myself work' for that sort of thing like Louis Rossmann does, but oh well.
I'm gonna keep doing it anyway since I do enjoy it, though I'll think about condensing it all into shorter videos later

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>>8847588
>my primary idea was more of a 'stream myself work'
but why would anyone just idly browsing through the vtuber section on twitch want to drop by and just watch you work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8847642
curiosity I guess

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>>8847490
We need all the days we can get for streaming why would we stop for a shitty protest about an issue they are already trying to fix?

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>>8842569
I think I’ve seen your YouTube, and Id say it’s because it’s kinda boring. You just show stuff on screen like a lecturer and your voice is monotonous.

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>>8848775
I've posted a bit here before, so it could have been it.
And yeah I guess I really don't have much of an idea on how to turn the techy part into entertainment so it ends up more like a lecture than actual content

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>>8847490
Not by choice lol. If it were up to me I'd stream all day everyday.

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>>8849149
Roast the electronics, make fun of how ugly they are or make a ridiculous fictional person that might use them. Create jokes so it's a big more fun and not informational

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>>8849149
>I really don't have much of an idea on how to turn the techy part into entertainment
ElectroBoom does it pretty well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJzJqfK31tg

[Anonymous No.]

Purely hypothetical, but what languages would provide one with the biggest audience? Japanese is obvious, and it seems like there’s a big Indonesian market, too, but I’m curious if there’s some massive untapped market for Russian chuubas or some shit like that.

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>>8849948
English

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>>8849948
probably spanish if we're going by the most spoken languages in the world.
although there might be an untapped market for russian chuubas considering how they flock to botan

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>>8849948
English its almost global, but russian its good too!

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>>8850107
Theres a few Russian ones.
But I don't think Russians want to hear an American talking Russian

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>>8849744
you may be onto something, I pretty much ditched all the theoretical stuff already to try and lighten up a bit so I'll try to improve on that.

>>8849859
That'd be great but I don't have a lot of chance to work with stuff that fails spectacularly... yet.

Well tomorrow I'm working on CAD so I may have a chance to dick around a bit.
Anyway thanks guys I really appreciate it!

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>>8847490
I'm not gonna throw away a chance for more viewership because of some faggot protest

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>>8847588
thats literally a thing, some nijisanji vtubers do it because they arent vtubers full time. as long as you interact with chat its not too bad . you probably wont get super popular with it though, obviously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bfXmtlFeuM

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

Bloom, if you’re around, how do you keep your voice for 3.5 hours of singing? I start to fall off in quality after an hour, and that’s just in practice.

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>>8866076
not bloom but for things like karaoke, it helps a lot if you space out the songs that really strain your voice and mix them in with easier to sing songs
i've done near 3 hours karaokes and had the energy to still keep singing and also have done 2 hour karaokes where i was about to die because of poor ordering and song selection
it also has a lot to do with practicing overall, the more you sing the more able you will be able to sing over long periods of time
also consider that bloom has been singing professionally for a long time too

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>>8866076
Experience and training. My karaoke before this one was closer to 6.5 hours, and I've had days where I've needed to sing for about 12 hours before. Everything related to your voice has to do with a set of muscles, and like any muscles, it's long use and proper conditioning that keep them working. And like the anon above pointed out, I've got lots of experience. Like any muscles, with proper use, they get stronger, and you can sing more powerfully for longer.

The biggest thing is maintaining proper vocal production. You don't want to introduce strain anywhere if you can help it. So even when I'm singing something like Tenacious D or Gethsemane from Jesus Christ Superstar, I'm still fairly relaxed in the muscles around my vocal apparatus. So for example, I don't clench my jaw up, strain my neck, etc. It's also important to warm up before beginning, so that you're loose and relaxed. It's just like stretching before and after any other exercise. If you're doing things that hurt your voice, it's best to back off.

I realize that's not super helpful, but basically, the tl;dr version is don't push, and your voice gets stronger over time. Do breathing exercises if your voice is starting to feel tired.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8866552
>>8867066
Thanks for the advice. I think I have a relaxation problem, so I’ll work at that.

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>>8868450
I recommend singing in front of a mirror. You can confirm that you're actually opening your mouth all the way when you sing (you'd be shocked how many people don't do this) and that you're not tensing up. It's counterintuitive to release pressure while singing, but you'll feel an almost immediate difference.

If you're singing while sitting, make sure you're sitting with good posture. Straight back, shoulder blades pulled towards one another and back to open up your chest, feet flat on the ground. Keep singing and you'll feel yourself getting stronger. Good luck, anon!

[Anonymous No.]

>audition for CyberLive
>scuffed recording on borrowed phone because mine is dead
>get some views
Haven't gotten any more but I hope I'm given a chance. Stage fright gets me real bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8869225
>that spoiler
what are you going to do when you're picked?

[Anonymous No.]

Why do indie chuubas spend like a decade waiting to debut, like just start streaming like a normal person dude, stop waiting just do it

[Anonymous No.]

>>8869655
holorot mindset thinking they need 5k twitter followers first before they can debut

[Anonymous No.]

>>8867066
I get light headed when singing, specifically more of "hype"-ish songs, I'm gonna assume breathing exercises is good for that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8869737
Like I keep seeing people on twitter dot com who have been in pre debut for like ages, you're not a holo chuuba or an idol like just start streaming and actually become a vtuber. Westerners are just weird I guess lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>8869815
there are vtweeters in the JP circle too, you just don't see then on twitter because you're not the target for that algorithm. why do you care so much about them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8869312
Panic, of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8869853
Honestly I'm just curious of the mindset if anything, like whats the point of talking about eventually streaming but never actually doing it for whatever reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>8870164
they're more socially acceptable fursonas and OCs of this internet phase. plenty of people just want to be part of a community without actively creating in the community.

[Anonymous No.]

My voice cracked a lot today. Am I dying? Even during puberty my voice rarely cracked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8870456
are you putting on a voice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8870544
Yes. But it happened in meat space not on stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8870207
Ah okay I get it know

[Anonymous No.]

>>8870618
stop putting on a voice or find an alternate way to do it without putting that strain on your voice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8870667
Am I just wearing out this vocal box?
I really don't want to get a new one though.

[Anonymous No.]

Interestingly, Prism went back and looked at my old audition. That surprised me most so far, I didn't expect them to take the time to check it again

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw started my first ever stream today, only to realize I set my mic too loud
oh well, gotta start somewhere. Tomorrow is another day bros, keep your head up and you'll make it eventually!

[Anonymous No.]

>>8844723
I am very interested in that please link

[Anonymous No.]

>>8847490
What happend? I am not a twitch user

[Anonymous No.]

>>8872092
several botters found out that you can spell racial slurs sexist and homophobic attacks using characters from other languages than in english. so they've set up bot farms to harass streamers with thousands of botted accounts on "hate raids" with messages that bypass filters. twitch hasn't done anything and just told streamers to use the build in keyword block feature that the bots already get around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8872181
Ouch that's just great knowing they're doing nothing against the botnets

[Anonymous No.]

Do you need a second monitor to stream well?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8873438
Nah, I just keep chat up on my phone
not like anyone talks to me anyways though lmao

[Anonymous No.]

This might be a weird question, but how do you know if you're straining your voice/throat to begin with? My throat doesn't really hurt, just kinda tingles and feels tired, also can't hit high notes/belt after a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8873512
it's exactly like what you think it is. a strain, feels like your throat is a tense and sore or maybe you can't hold a particular voice without it breaking

[Anonymous No.]

Streaming is actually extremely fun. I genuinely thought I'd hate it, but engaging with chat (when people are actually watching AND talking) is great. Gives me a reason to play games and feel like I'm sharing the experience. I have 0 delusions of grandeur for the whole thing, but at least I think I can be happy just doing this as a hobby.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8873680
I find that wild, because despite being an extrovert, I feel like I would be shy, even though there are tons of anti social people who stream perfectly fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>8873680
I know, right! I felt so giddy after finishing my first one

>>8873806
I'm an introvert, but I think I view 'chat' as a single person, so it's more like just chilling with one friend?

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/UMu0src8aTk

[Anonymous No.]

>>8847490
No. It accomplishes what the raiders want, while I'm losing money for it.
At most, I'd ask my audience to consider paying me through other means.

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

>>8872181
>found out that you can spell racial slurs sexist and homophobic attacks using characters from other languages than in english
is this a joke or are zoomers these day really this retarded?
this has been a thing since the start of the fucking internet

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

>like to write
>it's the only thing creative that I think I'm good at at all.

I wish I could incorporate that into streams but I don't know how I would do that. Does /asp/ have any suggestions?

[Anonymous No.]

Is it true that Prism's Nia came from here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8886876
You could do a stream where you write.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8886889
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>8887378
You someone would want to watch a stream where someone just writes?

[Anonymous No.]

is there a market for Hypixel vtubers? i do wanna try being a chuuba that sweats bedwars, skyblock, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8888643
You can use worldanvil or campfire programs to show how you build a world.

[Anonymous No.]

So. Dadtuber here.
Character can be pretty important. What should I roll with?
One idea I had was a literal cat because you know theres loads of catboys but no actual cats. Helps to stand out.
Other idea I had was a nod to one of the inspirations behind the overall idea. A supervillain. Could refer to the community as the henchmen. Gives good context for community interaction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8888844
You might get stream sniped alot in the minigames, also streaming skyblock is kinda hard this days due to the lack of major content that isn't already covered/streamed by the larger streamers, not to mention the amount of preparation and grinding needed to have a successful skyblock stream, but some streamers have been quiting lately due to hytale's development hell so if you manage to fill a certain niche or gather some audience you might see some results if the hypixel network is still around for years to come.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8893184
>What should I roll with?
go with a simple design. don't do any gimmicky designs.

[Anonymous No.]

If I'm going to make videos as well as streaming, should I be split between Twitch and Youtube, or should I just do everything on Youtube?

>>8893184
Supervillain works. I'm suprised there hasn't been a 'raid boss' Vtuber that refers to their viewers as minions/mobs. Could lead to some fun collabs with other 'hero' Vtubers. I like the idea of a literal cat, but I know I personally wouldn't watch it much in the same way I don't watch something like Debi from Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8896750
twitch for streaming, youtube for recorded stuff. don't use youtube. the ship long sailed last year for anyone to try and get picked up there.

>>8896750
>Supervillain works. I'm suprised there hasn't been a 'raid boss' Vtuber that refers to their viewers as minions/mobs. Could lead to some fun collabs with other 'hero' Vtubers.
you're a streamer, not a cartoon character. stop larping, viewers don't give a fuck about your kayfabe. the last /asp/ie with the most kayfabe immediately dropped it 5 minutes after his debut and has been sitting at 2 views ever since. don't kayfabe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8896750
Some people dualstream. If you can then do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8896878
Who was that?

Also, nightparadox exists and seems to be doing fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8897182
>Who was that?
dr axecutioner

[Anonymous No.]

>>8896878
>Fans of any and all Vtubers draw kayfabe art of their oshi
>Every popular Vtuber respects and uses kayfabe to a point, even simple stuff like replacing names, locations, jokes etc.
>"stop larping"
May as well just not bother using the avatar too while you're at it if you're just going to be another boring IRL streamer. What a retarded thing to say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8897391
t. holorot retard
stop looking at hololive kayfabe art. that's not going to happen to any /asp/ie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8896878
Yes but also no.
The whole point of the characters thing is to provide a context for a lot of the interaction and to give you something to hide your actual identity behind.
So long as he ain't leaning into it constantly he's fine.
Since he previously referenced Scorpio and Mr Rogers I don't think his plan is to constantly do supervillain laughs and bond references

[Anonymous No.]

>>8897263
>>8897476
He got to affiliate recently, so someone’s watching him.

Out of aspies, koopa gets art on the regular for her and troopas, Callie calico got a bunch of magical girl fanart, teruteru gets thematic stuff.

It’s fine to be a streamer with an avatar, but vtubers are based on the idea that the character actually exists on their own in some universe

[Anonymous No.]

Would a game like Ace Attorney be better off played on my own or should I wait to stream it

[Anonymous No.]

>>8897263
I would say he’s low not because of kayfabe, but because he’s kinda boring. If he leaned more into it, mb it would be better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8897676
>He got to affiliate recently,
it's 3 viewers. you can do this with your mom's ipad.
>>8897712
>If he leaned more into it, mb it would be better.
it's a waste of time and effort to lean into kayfabe when you don't even have people watching. there is no reason for people to watch someone act on stream half ass when they can just watch netflix for something actually good

[Anonymous No.]

>>8897766
There’s no reason to watch any vtuber then. Even holos aren’t professional actor level
Also, if you can’t act full ass without an audience, you don’t deserve it. It doesn’t have to be good, it just needs to be weird/funny enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8847490
yes.

a large proportion of my viewers are members of GOLBAT, and some of them have been hate-raided, and they're taking the day off themselves. if i didn't, i'd stand out amongst them for it, even more so as a (black) straight m*le (I pass as white vocally, because i'm scottish).

it's very much a textbook example of virtue signalling. but some of them are major simps for me, so i queerbait a chunk anyway.

otoh, it's my dad's birthday on wednesday, so i'd planned on switching to a different day anyway. its just changing the schedule from saying 'no stream today' for all the days this week i'm offline to 'taking a day off'

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any popular indies who aren’t a conventional, pretty anime boy/girl? I wanted to have a model like Shiba or Debi from Nijisanji, but I’m not sure how well something like that will do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8898627
bahroo would be the only one who fits that but even then he was an 8+ year long twitch partner with 1k+ viewers even before becoming a vtuber. your design really doesn't matter as long as it's not an obvious debuff. your content is what will make you last as a streamer. stop worrying so much about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>8898627
Depending on your definition, little_s_ is a snake and he pulls 200+ viewers at times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8896878
What do you consider it's keyfabe? i don't think you understand the concept. Every single Vtuber has keyfabe, at least the good ones.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else get a "lump in throat" kind of feeling after some vocal work that goes away after a while? Is that normal?

[Anonymous No.]

Hey folks, setting a hard limit to start my first stream at 7pm est, so I can tweak audio and make sure my game is actually capturing. I got a Vocaroo here to get some feedback on how it sounds now, Its in a fairly small empty space with two floor fans running, and a blue yeti mic, if that info changes anything at all.
https://voca.ro/1jxksxTuaBiQ

[Anonymous No.]

Not trying to be a vtuber, but I have a friend who is one and has dyslexia. Any suggestions on how to make chat reading easier for them? Streamlabs apparently doesn't let you use a custom font, which I've heard is good for people with that condition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8902170
Sound seems fine, don't forget to drop your link

[Anonymous No.]

is dead by daylight a debuff game to stream, especially if you were new?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8902170
see this is what i've been saying about presenting your voice well and actually putting in some effort to voice act. you're good anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8902443
Grassyass, I appreciate it, I would hope a decade of DMing would help with that. I have a minor lisp/stutter but if its not pointed out then its not as bad as I thought.
>>8902341
Sure thing, if my balls drop enough in the next hour or so before going live. Depending on which game is played, hope you like sub par Christopher Walken impressions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8886876
Read your stories on stream. Or being autistic and turn your streams into a story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8902350
I'm not into vtuber strategies and whatnot so this may be wrong, but I think it depends solely on if you do content outside of it. If you can make videos/clips like otzdarva's 2nd channel not otzdarva, then it could work out, otherwise I'm unsure.

[Anonymous No.]

I did an 'art' stream today, editing clips from the past week, for re-upping next week. Explaining the process along the way, and where to get the software from, and barely paying attention to chat because concentrating on vidya.

Checking out the stats afterwards, it was my third most popular stream ever, despite no shilling anywhere. I raided an actual artist (still a chuuba), who's now done some fanart of me as thanks? Because that's a thing people in the art category do?

Evidently I need to stream all my shitpost making now. The artist buff is real.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm struggling to find a good live transcription option out there that can properly thread the needle of being accurate while also having decent latency. From what I've seen, you either get speedy transcriptions but the accuracy is total ass, or you get huge delays or even only post-stream/recording-based transcriptions if you want any actual accuracy.

Is there anything out there that would actually fit the bill of what I'm looking for, or am I asking for too much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8905898
I have personally fallen victim to watching a 100% artist Vtuber before. I think it helped that I myself was painting minis, but yeah as a consumer id say artist buff is real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8906251
you're asking for too much unless you're willing to pay for professional tier live transcription

[Anonymous No.]

>>8906379
But I wasn't even doing REAL ART! I was editing my own clips! I was bored, and I was the one doing it

But yeah, I fell down the art hole for a while

[Anonymous No.]

>>8906542
Well, in this case I care more about accuracy than latency, if I had to pick one over the other. What are my options in that case?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8906636
Good luck man. Hope it works out well for you. Try to become one of Ina's art friends. I've heard they tend to go places.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I move from /asp/ to /wvt/?

[Anonymous No.]

>art
>singing
what else do people do for variety streaming besides general gaming?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8907079
just start posting in /wvt/
>>8907101
zatsudan, arts and crafts with handcam, asmr, language lessons, music production, coding, animations

[Anonymous No.]

>>8907101
ASMR

[Anonymous No.]

>>8907079
Post there instead of here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8849948
Indonesia, PH and the biggest one is SPANISH. Also easy to learn. Go for it.

[Anonymous No.]

Cowboys (boys who are cows) or cowboys (boys who herd cattle)?
>>8902170
I really like the way you speak. Not sure what the proper words for it are, but you sound kind of like a radio host - very presentable. Good luck, anon!

[Anonymous No.]

If you're an art streamer I'd recommend getting a tiktok. I posted an animation on there and managed to get over 100 followers and it was my first post. I'm gonna start uploading time lapses on there too since those get a lot of shares and likes.
Oh also I have a question. I've been seeing a couple art vtubers who don't speak at all, I saw one who was mute actually. Would anyone here actually watch an artist who doesn't speak ? I doubt someone can sit down and stare at someone drawing without it getting boring because it doesn't seem as engaging as someone talking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8907212
>>8907366
posting myself is embarassing tho, how do I grow enough for an unrelated anon to post me
and how do I know I can post there LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>8908164
Just do it and shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8908164
>how do I grow enough for an unrelated anon to post me
the only realistic way this happens is that you hang around the /wvt/chuubas and get shouted out by them or raided or hosted or something. if you shill yourself too much you'll look like a leech. but if you do it organically it might work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8908164
Have you posted yourself here yet? A lot of chuubas that share their link here end up eventually shilled in wvt

[Anonymous No.]

>>8908120
>Cowboys (boys who are cows) or cowboys (boys who herd cattle)?
Why not both? Hide the cow ears under the 10 gallon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8908164
>[STREAMER] is [DOING THING] and here's what you can expect
>link
>pic related to the streamer or thing
Done, there you go. You can now post in /wvt/. Get used to shilling yourself, because no one else is going to for a long-ass time, unless you get goslings.

[Anonymous No.]

The regret from not sending my entry for the niji EN male wave 1 is eating away at me. I hope wave 2 doesn't take too long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8883432
Zoomers are all pretty much retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>8909146
I'm just annoyed I never got a view, even if I didn't have much of a chance to begin with.
Oh well. I've tried and I'll keep trying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8902341
When does cringe photo-editing images start to enter kino, if ever?
https://twitter.com/WISEAIVtuber1/status/1432114865922002946?s=20
>don't forget to drop your link
https://www.twitch.tv/wisetheai Theres the link, i've never been nervous before to hit that go live button, but I guess I was also drunk all the times I have streamed in the past.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8910146
>When does cringe photo-editing images start to enter kino, if ever?
when you stop putting in so much effort and just stick to simple slapjobs. the picture you have is also way too big. luckily only the top and bottom third have been cut off, but take note of the default display box and make sure your image fits within it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8910146
forgot to post your timezone, best practice going forward is to say "X hours from now"

[Anonymous No.]

>>8910146
>fuzzy cloak
i will now watch your stream

[Anonymous No.]

So I've seen some big male streamer on twitch doing it, but can't find it.
Basically, the model itself is a busty girl holding a cat.
The girl changes expression, moves etc., but the cat is an actual avatar and does the talking motion.
I thought at the time that this thing might be genius: you bait people with sex of the girl while also not streaming using female model as a male.
What do you think?
I honestly don't know why no one does it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8908144
In my experience finding random people to watch and wanting to be entertained by doing it, i would say the person itself is the most important factor, not the content.
The content is a canvas.
If i want to check an art streamer, it would take literal seconds before i decide if i want to continue watching or not, and it only depends on the person talking, not the skills (unless i deliberately looking to improve my own art and learn from others).
So, really, the only people who would watch you draw without talking are ones who are artists themselves (varying level).

[Anonymous No.]

>>8910146
why are you black?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8918521
>Mute girl vtuber
>cat is a mind reader that reads out what she's saying/thinking

BRILLIANT

[Anonymous No.]

>>8910146
oh, nice to see you're finally streaming! you've been around here for a while!
>>8918961
are you the same person that asks this to every tan skinned chuuba

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit /asp/ I thought I was gonna shit myself live, I was so nervous, thank you guys for the tips and assistance. I still have work to do with all of it, but that first stream was something real fun. If any of (You) where there, thank you for the support.
>>8918961
I'm brown IRL. Plus I figured it would look good alongside the color scheme.
>>8919427
My work schedule made it virtually impossible (and will again eventually) to stream, let alone play games for fun. I recently got pulled into a Covid contact trace so I have 14 days to really work at this and try to get the feel for it.
>>8913632
My artists Idea. Looking back, I was horrendously vague, basically posting some tumblr esque mood board from a anime page from the mid 2000's. She worked wonders for what material I gave her to work with. Thanks for the view
>>8910359
Noted, still getting a feel for all this, but appreciate the input.
>>8910709
Thanks!
Well I'm gonna get a drink and pass out, tomorrow imma try my hand at editing, and chop those 3 hours up to a bite size youtube vid. Thanks again for all the info/encouragement/tips so far /asp/ and those that I still have coming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8869312
At this rate I don't think I'll get chosen. I spilled way too much spaghetti and I'm awkward like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8869225
How does the audition process for something like that even look? I've never looked too hard into any of the smaller agencies.

[Anonymous No.]

Well boys, one day until a month has passed on NijiEN male auditions. Anyone still huffing hopium, or have we all accepted that we didn't make it this time around?

[Anonymous No.]

Is an Esperanto chuuba too niche of an idea?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8921432
are there esperanto webcam streamers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8921432
Yes. Make it a channel points redeem once you have affiliate, or just sprinkle it in here and there. Or are you a full blown Esperantist?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8921432
Considering barely anyone speaks esperanto?
Yes very much so.
I'd bet good money a fucking Latin streamer would have better luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>8898407
are you the demoman from tf2

[Anonymous No.]

>>8921376
I'm hanging to the scraps of it for the dopamine, but I've pretty much accepted it.

I'll begin taking steps towards my own growth on September 1st.

[Anonymous No.]

Isn't it kinda sad to be a vtuber under one of those tiny agencies like Cyberlive? You're basically as small as an indie but you're also corporation-bound.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8925526
it doesn't seem like most chuubas in smaller organizations want to grow so whatever they have is good enough. they're just regular streamers with a model. that's it

[Anonymous No.]

>>8925655
I mean, when you put it like that i guess it makes sense. You're basically working for a wage and your job is just to play games on the company's time, even if your numbers aren't great. Which actually makes me somewhat worried as to how profitable and lasting these agencies will even be

[Anonymous No.]

>>8925984
>You're basically working for a wage
even nijisanjis have side jobs to earn an income because vtubing isn't actually a reliable source of incoming for pretty much 99.99% of streamers, let alone vtubers. none of them outside established Holos and JPs in Japan are realistically making any appreciable amount of money from streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8926099
I mean, presumable they're at least paid minimum wage each month by the company. Right? I have to assume it would be very legally dubious otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

I've never understood how you begin streaming. Like, how do you stream for the first times? Literally nobody will be watching you, because you just began. So do you just stream as if you had an audience even though you don't?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8926469
Pretty much. just test things out and if you fuck up its ok because no one is looking

[Anonymous No.]

should i build a youtube community before a streaming one? was gonna do funny asmr rp videos with my vtuber as the background character always. then showily transition to streaming(vtuber)

[Anonymous No.]

>>8872181
>oh no somebody typed niggerfaggot in chat how will I cope?
honestly the only issue would be if twitch bans the streamer for it appearing on the chat feed

[Anonymous No.]

>>8918521
I think the concept of a girl with some kind of parasitic alien living in her head and kinda using her as a zombie would be pretty cool

[Anonymous No.]

>>8926099
It's difficult to say. Not all of them have sidejobs and Pomu is eventually going to quit hers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8926965
>Pomu is eventually going to quit hers
Pomu is one of the more successful Nijisanjis. even more so than some of the HoloIDs. getting 2k viewers consistently is incredibly rare for vtubers. making that return an incoming is even more rare.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8927078
That's the thing. It varies from chuuba to chuuba. Pomu is one of the more succesful but there are much bigger ones still from JP. Does Kuzuha have a job? I've seen Fuwa do a lot of long streams lately too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8927229
the fact that you are listing off some of the top names but none of the nijisanjis who only do this as a side hobby already speaks how much your biased by just the biggest names.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8926929
Wouldn't put it past them honestly

[Anonymous No.]

>>8925526
Cyber is one month old and got susaned hard back when they debuted, they are closer to the range of phase connect/tsunderia especially if you compare how they are surpassing tsunderias new gen as a brand new agency. I only watch Lumi but from my understanding cybers system seems to have been built like vshojo to really have no point in leaving.

For the real small agencies like 4v, virpro, amberglow etc yeah no point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8927482
>but from my understanding cybers system seems to have been built like vshojo to really have no point in leaving.
Elaborate?

[Anonymous No.]

How do I get over my self consciousness of feeling awkward talking to myself/nobody in a room alone with my neighbors probably hearing me ramble like an autist about nothing important?

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any auditions open for m*les right now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8927677
The talent owns their model, the cut is tiny, agency provides stuff like social media, sponsors, highlights, as well as the agency status. No restrictions. It is seemingly run like the vshojo model but with the hybrid of hololive by taking in new streamers and giving them models. Their website talks about it a little, and there is a clip of Lumi explaining it I will post here if I can find anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8928201
That does sound really good. I wonder if it's actually sustainable on the long run, profitability wise. Because i mean they need to make a profit and currently their talent isn't getting a whole lot of viewers. Wish them the best though.

[Anonymous No.]

How hard is it to learn to rig a model? Blowing 2k on that seems crazy when my concept isn't as elaborate as most others

[Anonymous No.]

>>8928525
It's very, very, very fucking annoying and troublesome. And you'll even if you manage to do it, it probably won't be too good of a rig. But it's definetly possible with persistence and dedication, Suisei famously rigged her own original avatar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8928017
your neighbors have problems in their own life, they don't care that much about you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8928525
>How hard is it to learn to rig a model? Blowing 2k
what quality rigging are you looking for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8928525
It's tedious but if you have the time and will it's worth it. I am doing my own rigging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8928525
good rigging doesn't need 2k unless you want IV

[Anonymous No.]

>>8928622
Sounds about right. They charge a hefty amount for a reason no doubt. Still I'd be interested in trying at least, if it's in any respect fun.

>>8928702
I'm not exactly sure since I don't know the technicals of it, but I wouldn't need any mouth rigging since I'm not considering a humanoid character. Maybe it not being human makes it more difficult rather than less, though

[Anonymous No.]

>>8928775
do you think you'll do rigging on commission once you're set up? Seems like it's in high demand right now, could get you some good side cash while your chuuba activities are ramping up

[Anonymous No.]

>>8928860
>but I wouldn't need any mouth rigging since I'm not considering a humanoid character.
who the fuck are you looking at rigging to spend $2k on something that doesn't even have a mouth?

[Anonymous No.]

have you guys seen Kyublitz, he is a male VTuber who claims to be deaf. when you watch him, his voice is so awful to listen, i can't hear him. i think he need to stop streaming, he's making fun of his retarded ass doing it and his youtube channel shows his real face, he looks so ugly and retarded.

also he trying to connect with other disabled vtubers, pretty dumb idea lol, being a vtuber is hiding your disability not promoting it, fucking retard

https://twitter.com/Kyublitz/status/1430980268752396288?s=20


He even made a disabled VTuber group with disability called cyberdisa. also known as vshougai before, his retarded ass need to be bullied out of the community fuck this retard with his fucked up retarded voice lol. I don't know how kyublitz is still doing this, everyone fucking hates him or only being friends with him out of pity

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>>8928860
a couple of streamers from here/wvt have made their own rigs while learning how to work with live2d; ones that come to mind that did their own rigging would be Callie Calico, Caleb Horus (his old model was self made), and balbc_odette (graduated, but also drew and rigged her model)

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>>8928894
I would love to. I am a third worlder NEET so i have enough time to spend working on the rigging and i could pay 3 months worth of rent and living expenses with just one commission.

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>>8927482
>>8928201
>>8928483
I hope CyberLive takes people that already have models. I've grown attached to mine.

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>8928985
cool blog. unsubscribe.

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>>8928912
I was just looking at random decent looking indie vtubers for their modelers, and the few I looked at were 2k. Maybe I just got high rolled since I haven't looked through more than 4 or so.

>>8928989
Good to know. I can at least see for myself how much work it would be.

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>>8929060
>decent looking indie vtubers
there's a difference between the artist for the model and the live2d rigger for the rigging. which one are you talking about?

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>>8929037
I mean, Kaneko Lumi was a former /asp/ie and did not carry over her model so I dunno how likely it is they'd let you keep it. Maybe if you got really big?

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>>8929130
>maybe if you got big
One can dream.

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>>8928525
>>8928622
Not true. I'll always take the opportunity to shill my model here. Drew and rigged it within a month with no prior experience in either:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1133442480

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>>8929094
Some do both, but specifically rigging was 2k for a few of them. They looked excellent though, so maybe it was just high end.

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>>8928656
Even if I logically tell myself that, I still struggle with that mental block that makes me keep my voice too low or subdued. I can't get past it and I'm not sure why.

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>>8929042
good, unsubscribe from his retarded ass, kyublitz need to commit out lol

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>>8929180
Great to know, bro

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>>8929200
>specifically rigging was 2k
you must have only been looking at Iron Vertex, because not even Cillia charges that price.

>>8929223
you have maybe 35 years of life left with the shit going on out there, who gives a fuck. just fucking shoot your shot on this. after a week, maybe it's not what you expect. or maybe you get lucky and turns out you fucking love presenting in front of people even if it's awkward.

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>>8804753
Hey anons, i got a question.
I got some problems getting a phone with decent camera for a rig, is there a way to use only my voice to move the mouth + key comb for expressions in vseeface?

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>>8929037
Pandora was an indie with her own model in cyberlive, they basically paid to have a new costume and update made with better art and riggers for her.

Another advantage of cyberlive I've seen that other agencies dont have so far is extremely fast and competent merchandising. They've put out stuff for Lumi already and im sure she gets a healthy cut off that and it's only been a month.

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>>8929037
>>8929130
Correct me if I am wrong but one of their chuubas carried over, I think it was the Panda?

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>When a cute caterpillar vtuber ???!

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>>8929370
I think the best way to sum up Cyber is while they won't give you as big of a boost in numbers right off the bat as say PRISM, they seem to provide the most stuff from an agency perspective of the startups. All of the ones with open auditions have their pros and cons.

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If you say you don't have streaming experience in these auditions they don't even look at the rest of what you wrote right?

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>>8929180
oh hey i saw your streams and liked your model, if you drew and rigged it yourself in a month that's some high quality work.

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>>8928985
okay i gotta agree after watching his stuff, fucking retard lol. his speech problems is so bad, how the fuck would anyone even likes him? I think no one likes him in the community, if so, they're retarded too lol

[Anonymous No.]

if you're gonna reply to yourself after no one gives you a (You) at least change your typing style, holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

>someone trying astroturf fake bigotry in a 4chan thread in order to get themselves a social media outrage buff

a tale as old as time

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>>8929541
Thanks! I was only working part time back then so I did have a lot of free time. Even though they're not really comparable I do think the process of rigging is a lot easier than the actual drawing, at least with my lightweight work. It only took a little over a week to rig the model, though there isn't much motion beneath the shoulders.

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>>8929370
>>8929378
>>8929519
I'm liking CyberLive more and more. They remind me a bit to VOMS and how they get merch for the girls and whatnot. I hope my awkwardness in my audio doesn't debuff me much,

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>>8929633
i'm not the original poster lol, nice guessing

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>>8929745
ogey

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>>8929519
>>8929519
Definitely a good way of putting things, I was wary of cyberlive at the start but the amount of things and support they give to their talents so far seem top notch and they seem to be growing at a steady pace. Also they have no games permission problems at all unlike Prism. Either way cyberlive seems to be one of the better agencies to join right now by the looks of how they're handling things but you should be expected to grow with the business as they get bigger.

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>>8928985
i don't mind if he is deaf or something you can create a good content if you try your best but i fucking hate this type of people that always has to talk about his disability to "try" to boost his audience.
there's a lot of people that work a lot to not being tagged has "the person with x thing"...

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>>8929745
>number of posters has not increased

C'mon anon, do better

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>>8929853
Well he haven't really talk much about his disability beside that post and bio, I think he only put it there because of his speech problems? I think it's more of when people keep asking him why he speak weird, that's why? I don't know desu

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>>8929519
They still feel kinda medium when compared to Nijisanji honestly, just because Niji has history and an actual foundation. Cyber could end up being a total wash in the long run. But they are also probably easier to get accepted into than Nijisanji.

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>>8930024
Niji is obviously a larger organization, but I also don't think their strategy lends itself to making it a place for true long-term success and investment in individual talents. You're getting the negatives of a larger agency without necessarily getting the positives.

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>>8930237
>negatives of a larger agency
such as...?

[Anonymous No.]

I want to audition for corpos just to gain experience. How should I answer the 'why do you want to join us?' question provided I don't want to spend too long researching the company and its members?

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>>8930404
>i want to make new friends and spread happiness to many people

[Anonymous No.]

isn't being in a agency bad for your content, i mean you are more limited to make certaing things or colaborate with "x" people?

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>>8930476
>more limited to make certaing things
limited how? are you thinking of Hololive and their "permissions" because no other agency gives a fuck about "permissions"

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>>8930476
It really depends. HoloEN is painfully asstight with who the girls can collab with, meanwhile on the JP side they more or less do what they want, samme for Nijisanji.
As for content, some have game permissions, others don't.

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>>8930024
Oh yeah I mean compared to Niji/Holo for sure, but in the startup game they are in the upper areas in terms of what they provide. All it takes though is someone to breakout to carry the entire agency, happened with PRISM. That is why anons apply for the ground floor. At least with cyber too if it is a wash you keep your model and everything, so no real loss

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>>8930237
This might sound silly, but one of the main benefits of being a Niji is that the name carries weight. Like, being in Nijisanji feels like you've made it. There will always be a small corner for you at the very least, because that's what Niji is all about, a wide range of talents with various niches. If you join a small, newer corporation like Cyberlive you're going to have to work hard not only for your sucess, but also to make sure the company itself remains relevant. When you join Niji i feel like you just get a feeling of "yeah, i made it". Not saying you can slack off if you're a Niji, but it's certainly good to have a feeling of stability. Because like i said before, Cyberlive's policies of small cuts, talent owns the character and etc all sound very cool on paper, but i think they're still very much unproven as a company. Because at the end of the day, the company has to make a profit and being nice isn't good enough to make money.

>>8930261
>>8930476
>>8930520
Nijisanji 100% cares about permissions. You can't just play any game, you need to get permissions from the higher-ups first. Not to mention how you're a talent representing the agency, so you need to be careful, to varying extents, about what you say. As far as collabs go, it goes both ways : Sure, being in a corporation may restric who you're able to collab with. But realistically, if you're NOT in a corporation, you're gonna need a whole lot of luck and networking to collab with anyone who isn't another indie.

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>>8930636
>so you need to be careful, to varying extents, about what you say.
okay so you just want to be able to spew le ebin gamer words constantly. why do you think any agency would take you in the first place at that point? the fact is that joining an agency outside of hololive which isn't going to happen here will not impact you as a streamer. if you stream the games that agencies would care about you're not even the type of person who would make the audition cut in the first place. it's a self solving problem.

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>>8930740
I understand what you mean, but it isn't necessarely just boiled down to "not saying bad gamer words". For example, if you're in Hololive or even Nijisanji to a lesser extent, you're expected to not shit on a game too much if you don't like it. I agree that anyone with a complete disregard for social norms would never be picked, but that doesn't mean you're ~completely~ free to say whatever you want as a corporate vtuber.

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>>8930854
>>8930740
Pippa Pipkin....

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The permissions thing only applies to Japanese companies because they don't have fair use laws

[Anonymous No.]

Realistically, supposing the NijiEN2 male wave 1 comes out this year, how long do you think it would take for Wave 2 auditions to start?

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>>8930854
>you're expected to not shit on a game too much if you don't like it.
were you planning on making "shit on a game a lot if you don't like it" part of your stream? is that what makes you as a streamer and defines your main content?

if you get into any agency where they give a shit about this, you're literally being offered the chance of a lifetime. don't pretend like you're going to stick to your guns and turn down huge potential sponsorship deal like appearing on a nationwide advertising campaign for nacho fries, just because you want to be a fucking edgelord.

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>>8930968
Another 6 months from now. I don't think they'll be slowing down EN for at least another year.

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>>8930976
Why are you so mad? I'm just stating a fact. I have no horse on this race, i'm not auditioning to anything. Someone asked what are the downsides to being a corporate vtuber, and i'm just giving them an answer.

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>>8930636
Nobody disagrees as far as I can see. Nijisanji and hololive objectively better than any of the other companies from a pure numbers standpoint. Discussion here is in the startup realm, even if cyber tanks you really don't have any loss you appear to keep everything they gave you. Their numbers I also want to add should be higher, they got susaned like holo, phase, etc. For one month they are growing steadily.

I wouldn't suggest turning down hololive or nijisanji for them if that is something that happens to any anons here, however for those applying to startups look into their pros cons.

For example:

>Prism
gets you the most numbers right off the bat, but doesnt seem to provide much outside of name and model.

>Phase
quickly rising agency sub numbers wise
live viewer count isn't that high for anyone that isn't pippa
some restrictions

>Cyber
get the most "stuff" from the company
no restrictions
get the least starting numbers as of now, but for every agency that could change at any moment, steadily inclining but not as quick as the others

[Anonymous No.]

>be indie
>try to communicate with other indies on twatter
>a bunch of people who don't produce content talking about face reveals and model reveals
>find one person to talk to
>nice but a bit of a nervous wreck

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>>8931029
because there is literally no fucking downside. what happens when you get into hololive is only a "downside" if you live in a mady up fantasy world where you're some raging anticapitalist fighting against the system for twitter virtual signal points. that's not how life works and the more any /asp/ie tries to delude themselves into thinking they less they're going to make it.

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>>8931103
Not everyone is built for an agency life, especially not the JP ones. I would take hololive as the chance of a lifetime sure, but their are plenty of chuubas I have seen hate how company life is even if it is retarded complaints

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>>8931103
Again, why are you so mad? I agree with you that the downsides that come with joining a big company are negligible, but they ARE downsides. Nobody is going to turn down getting into nijisanji or hololive because they might not be able to speak as freely as they could otherwise, or because they don't want to do corporate advertising, but those ARE downsides. I 100% agree with you that there are far more good things than bad, but the bad is still there.

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>>8931085
>face and model reveal
I don't understand the former and hate the later. The only ones that can give themselves the luxury of tease with their models are big corpos. Nobody cares that an indie is waiting for 500 followers on twatter to show their vroid model. As for face reveal, if you're gonna do that shit why not try being a regular streamer then? The whole point is that people dont know who you are. It was the same with that retarded trend of posting selfies of how your model dressed vs. how the roommate dressed.

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>>8931069
>>8931005
Man, i really want to audition for one of these companies. Thinking about "what company i like the most" feels like a silly thing to do, but at the same time i just want to audition for niji first and foremost. I just like a lot of their talent, and that's enough for me to want to be part of it. So i guess i won't audition for the start-ups and wait for wave 2. I suppose there's no need to mince my words here since it's anonymous, i think i have a reasonable chance to get in. I mean, everyone thinks that i guess. I'm pretty extroverted though, and am very good at speaking for hours and hours to no end. I'm also pretty good at acting cute and clueless, and i'm a small youtuber (15k~ subs). But yeah that's the doubt that's eating at me right now, do i audition for Cyber or just wait for Niji wave 2.

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>>8931375
all the agencies are expected to release their new gen by the end of the year or early next year. You could always audition for Niji later on.

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>>8931103
>what happens when you get into hololive is only a "downside" if you live in a mady up fantasy world where you're some raging anticapitalist fighting against the system for twitter virtual signal points

Or if you--get this--are into Vtubing as a hobby and not as a career.

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>>8931557
>are into Vtubing as a hobby
then you'll never be selected in an audition to become a holo. so like i said. it's a self solving problem.

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>>8931596
But we weren't talking Holo, we were talking agencies in general. There are some agencies more conducive to taking a hobbyist Vtuber to the next level rather than going full corporate.

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>>8931629
>But we weren't talking Holo
anon you literally quoted "when you get into hololive" your reading comp reps

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>>8931658
Read literally any comment from that chain, the anon I quoted used Holo as an example in that specific sentence but we were primarily talking Niji and Cyber before that.

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>Have Vtuber acquaintances hinting at a collab with me
>they really want it even though I'm somewhat smaller and desperately trying to avoid it
>My whole dynamic falls apart the instant I have to hold a conversation for longer than 10 seconds
I don't know what to do, I hardly know these people

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>>8931744
ask them if it's possible to do a test run of the collab before hand? maybe a weekend before it's scheduled? let them know your concerns and that you'd be more comfortable understanding the group dynamic and how you would interact beforehand.

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>>8931744
You gotta do collabs to grow, it's fun to do things with other people. Just tell them you're nervous and anxious and dont know how to handle yourself in them.

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>>8931786
>>8931809
>You gotta do collabs to grow
Yep, that's the truth I desperately don't want to face. I'm 100% certain it will be fine, but something about interacting with another human on a stream gives me the extremely specific fear that I'm going to blurt out "NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER" live on stream for no reason even though I know for a fact I am nowhere near that autistic. I've always had weird fears of doing something insanely inappropriate at the worst possible time and adding people octuples that fear. I can't even use a cell phone in a car with the windows rolled down in fear I will throw it out for zero reason.

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>>8931355
It always seems to be a bunch of zoomers who want to hop on a bandwagon ala angry reviewers back in 2007

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>>8932016
>specific fear that I'm going to blurt out "NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER" live on stream for no reason
that sounds like a problem you need to deal with that no anon here can help with. here's my advice though. block and filter out those epic gamer words so you never see them. don't use them in text, don't use them in speech. cut them out entirely from your life.

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>>8932016
just catch yourself before you say em, even holo en girls are caught about to blurt it out/type it out and no one cares except people in /vt/ will call you based

[Anonymous No.]

Is there somewhere where I can hire clippers? I can make clips myself but between streaming and work I'm low on time and getting burntout

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>>8932805
Maybe just say it out loud on Twitter and see if someone bites?

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>>8932805
There’s Fiverr; generally you can trust it

[Anonymous No.]

Anons, what draws you to vtubing specifically? I’d like to start streaming, and coming up with a character has been fun, but I’m unsure if I’m going the right direction. If vtubing wasn’t an option, would you still be making content? If not, why? If so, why choose vtubing over standard streaming?

[Anonymous No.]

Alright, who's gonna be the brave anon to post their png? I would but I haven't produced anything yet.

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>>8925984
Purely based on numbers, I think it would be easier for an agency to get a sponsorship.

I check Fairly Odd https://www.fairlyoddstreamers.com/resources/sponsorships for sponsorship chances, although I'm still <100 followers, so not likely to get much.

I've no idea what they do, but BenQ wants 2000+ Twitter followers to do a Level 1 sponsorship. If you're a team of four, you mich be able to blag that with 500 each, rather than 2000 in a single slot. Or doing a RSL day, and get all the streamers to do it - you only need ten people to get a payout, which with four streamers is going to be simple

But I dunno if companies will sponsor entities rather than chuubas.

>>8926099
If you can land an oil baron, you make fucking bank. It's just finding one that's the problem. One of the streamers I watch has some English Duke or something watching her, who's donated $17,000+ in the last seven months, and around 2500 subs in the same time. He also ALWAYS buys her a gift sub to whoever she raids, at T3 if he already is subbed to them.
If she can keep streaming, she'd never actually need to do other work if he keeps on being a paypiggie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8926698
youtube discoverability is ass. im pulling ~10 average viewers on twitch, 800+ hits per vdeo on tiktok, and dont actually get any views on youtube.

start on twitch. maybe do videos on both but dont burn yourself out.

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>>8933665
I guess I could stream without a cam but being able to show a 'face' that 'reacts' to things helps a lot. I don't think I'd make it with a cam. I'm doing it in the hopes that I can somehow turn it into a part-time job, or even full-time, as ridiculous as that sounds.

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>>8931809
>>8932016
>You gotta do collabs to grow

What size chuuba do you ask to collab, for growth?

I've done one so far, with a chuuba who has 3* my followers, and +30% average viewers than me. I got one follower out of it, from one of her mods.

Obviously, if I DMed Cimrai, Ironmouse, or Krimbo, they'd not even respond a "who the fuck is this single-digit streamer", but collabing with someone just breaking into double digits didn't help at all.

Unless it's secondary effects from the collab, which I didn't see much of at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>8934021
Shine on your own and you'll eventually pull someone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8933665
I want to be an anime character and play video games. If I can entertain someone as I do it then even better.

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>>8934021
Depends how well your channels intersect. If I exclusively play horror games, I'm not going to collab with a Rust streamer. I also wouldn't really worry about collabs until you've reached mid-double-digit viewcount on your own, unless someone WAY more popular pitches it to you, then take that opportunity, but don't expect it.

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>>8928483
cyberlive talents have almost certainly all passed a couple thousand in revenue in a little over a month

lumi in particular has been /vt/s darling and got over 2k this last weekend iirc