/#/ - Numbers thread

[Anonymous No.]

Previous: >>8620790

[Anonymous No.]

ccv + sc
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

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>>8636918
alright, i think i figured how this mess of a 'bot-detection' AI works.
> YT detects significant amount of sub gains for several channels
> group these channels an run an algo between them
> finds out that for these 5 channels that all gains 80k+ subs in a (day?) period of time, 50k of them are from the same accounts
> proceed to remove/flag those subs as invalid and continue their day
Considering EN2 is announced and debuts all at once on the same day, box pushers subscribed to those 5 channels at roughly the same time in significant volume, triggering the AI to fuck these channels over.
The same probably happened to that 10 channel collab when the same accounts subscribed to 8-9 different channels at roughly the same time.

This also explains IRyS since she debuts alone, therefore no simultaneous subscribing to the same channels by the same accounts happened.

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>>8638522
OP list still not final because piyo closes 6AM JST, a little over 3 hours from now.

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>>8638588
That's not a good explanation because there are countless examples of single channels getting get too.
It is not really possible to determine with any certainty what is going on based only on a few examples

[Anonymous No.]

Kiara is the only EN streaming, which is why she has 11k.

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>>8638660
single channels that gets their subs culled as well doesnt contradict any of what i said. consider these:
- these accounts that are removed from these 'single channels' may have also subbed to other channels in roughly the same period of time, thus removing their subs from the reported single channels and other channels which happened to be unreported.
- there may be other trigger condition that culls subs, proving the existence of one doesnt necessarily disprove the other

[Anonymous No.]

interesting... nabi is streaming on twitch with 1k view https://www.twitch.tv/nabinya

most of the chat are also korean

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>>8638588
>>8638660
Yep, I have not been affected by that kind of behavior even when I subscribed to these girls all at the same time since the Debut PV.

Maybe a subscriber account with multiple payment cards linked helps be identified as 'legitimate'.

Then again there was an anon who had yt premium that got yeeted still. With all these factors, they seem to solely rely on too "fast and furious", not really looking thoroughly on which account to remove.

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>>8639032
>there may be other trigger condition that culls subs, proving the existence of one doesnt necessarily disprove the other
Agreed. My objection is more on the other direction, the fact it happened to a group does not necessarily means it is caused because of groups of channels.

But you may have a point here: the most common way to “pad” subs is to buy them from subs farms, third world siigtal sweatshops (usually pajeets) with some 10, 20 phones, subscribing to several channels out of the same assigned list of channels in quick succession.

Subbing to all five girls (or all of those channels in the example last thread) could eeaailt be triggering the bot responsible for detecting that.

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>>8639051
Getting affiliated with Hololive has ripple effect, she was also clipped from Holo KR channels. After all, she's the gremlin mom.

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>>8639391
Nijicope

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>>8638588
This seems plausible desu.
How AI works in general is learning the behaviour of confirmed bots and confirmed natural growth and then extrapolating them to the whole platform.
The same x accounts subscribing to the same y channels in the same period of time actually does reflect how a confirmed bot would behave.
In the other hand, there are probably little to no sample of these behaviour as confirmed natural growth for the bot to learn as the model of multiple channels getting multiple subs from the same accounts are probably only reflected from huge collabs and box pushing debut which are sparse and infrequent.

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>>8639548
>>8639245
lmao does this mean Sana gets pruned the hardest because only FREE ENTERTAINMENT box pushers are subscribed to her?

[Anonymous No.]

The question is when will YouTube stop punishing them?

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>>8640018
No idea, usually the sub culls are a one and done thing. This is uniquely weird.

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>>8640018
Punishing who?

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>>8640160
Companies like want money right? It’s possible that after YouTube starts receiving money from their SC and memberships, it will “coincidentally” stop punishing them. This is why Cover must always get the money through SC (rather than other means), so YouTube can take a cut. You’re safer if you pay off the aggressors.

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>>8640342
No? This doesn't normally happen. EN1 didn't lose any subs. ID2 didn't lose any subs. Niji EN 1 and 2 lost subs, one time, and it stopped long before they got monetized. IRyS lost subs one time. Somehow their code was changed and went completely haywire.

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>>8640576
I know it doesn’t normally happen, what I’m suggesting is that when YouTube starts receiving lots of money from them, they may suddenly stop. It’s a prediction.

[Anonymous No.]

16k on Fauna
Kiara lost <1k from the first 9mnts

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>>8640822
I see. I don't think it will continue that long. I doubt Youtube would even approve them for monetization if they're still being flagged as heavily botted at that point. The subs haven't been touched since at least Kronii's stream last night, she's gained 16k subs since then.

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if HoloCouncil hadn't lost subs, these ladies would be pulling retarded numbers as Gura and Ame's first month

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>>8641090
You mean CCV? There is no real relation

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>>8641090
Implying people have amnesia and can't watch without being subbed.

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>>8641177
>not subbed
>can't receive notif
>can't see what's going on
"real relation"

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>>8641076
>I doubt Youtube would even approve them for monetization if they're still being flagged as heavily botted at that point.
YouTube probably views it something like this: it must be real if they’re paying us (accounts tied to card holders). Even if that opinion was formed more out of company greed, it is an opinion they could have.

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>>8640920
So it looks like Hololive is just gaining a ton more viewers with minimal cannibalism for now.
The biggest was yesterday with Kroni when Kiara gained 1k viewers and Ina gained 4K viewers when Kroni stopped.

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>>8641382
16k out of 100k is small. Chances of a sub wanting to watch is minimal.

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>>8641427
We can't conclude yet from debut numbers, but Mumei+Fauna have 20k viewers right now while Kiara is at the same number she was when they first started.
At the very least, these are eyeballs watching hololive rn that would not be watching normally, because Kiara wouldn't be getting 30k if there wasn't overlap.

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>>8641427
Yeah, its kind of nuts. Yesterday there was a point where Gura was holding onto almost 12k for a superchat reading while Kronii had 33k at the same time. Then Kronii ended and Rrat got around 20k despite her super early morning time slot while Ame was close to 6k. HololiveEN is doing very strong right now

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>>8641519
>Backward rationale.
16% of 50k (removed) subs is 8k, add that to your logic, that's 50% more live viewers for that moment

Yes, minimal right?

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>debut buff
>two of them on the same channel
>only twice as above as Kiara
Yeah, these two will be midgets.

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>>8641866
I think the point is that subs don't really matter that much in the grand scheme of things. Kronii, for example, was going to get 30k+ whether her subs got culled or not.

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>>8641829
Previously at 12-1am EST it would just be IRyS with 6-8k viewers in that timeslot, there being over 30-40k is a crazy improvement.
Of course these are debut numbers and should be taken with a pinch of salt for now.

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>>8641829
Even now they have 30k between fana and kiara.

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okay after looking into this further, those flagged/removed subs will probably not be restored anytime soon (or at least, wont be counted in the public subs amount).

According to pic related (from a digital marketing service called youlikehits), subs that are flagged arent' really removed/unsubbed.
people will still get the dashboard recs, upload/stream notifs and all. its just their subs wont be counted to the public number.
this is consistent to YT's position on twitter when asked about the subject matter, which states they dont and never remove subs from user accounts.
you probably wouldn't even know or notice your sub has been flagged as spam.

>but what about people that has reported to be suddenly unsubbed
Apparently YT is such a big mess that those happened because of an entirely different bug that doesnt properly sync an accounts sublist when they've subbed to more than a certain amount of channels.

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>>8642038
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.]

>>8642038
pic related for second part

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>>8641964
In that case we could remove all subs (thereby removing all notifications and subscriber feeds) and it wouldn’t make any difference. Obviously wrong. It makes a difference, it’s just not the only thing that does.

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>>8641427
A guess would be that they're returning fans that are checking out the new debuts, and hopefully if something clicks stays as an active viewer.

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>>8642038
>we now have ghost subs
this is the stupidest shit ever susan

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>>8642261
He said not much, not 'dont matter at all'

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>>8642545
>ghost subs
I guess that’s a valid excuse for Gen2, when people ask why subs are so low compared to the expectations.

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>>8642038
>>8642110
>>8642191
So first they flag live viewers, now they hide subs

On a side note, been a long time this happened
>consecutive
>see pic

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>>8642698
It’s wrong no matter how it is spun. Look: >>8642038

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>>8642545
As retarded at it is, that is basically a given when you think about it.

>YT firmly holds the position that they dont remove subs
>Subs purge occurs that slashes down the 'public' number of subs
As long as these two are true, then ghost subs are unfortunately real.

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>>8642712
I mean at this point, anyone who talks about HoloCouncil's subcount has to be ignorant or baiting. There's been too much fuckery to have draw any conclusions about their growth.
All we have are CCV and twitter followers.

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>16k first week with a debut buff
dead on arrival.

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>>8643141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VusCVQghyIA

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>>8642867
if it removes the public one does it mean the girls can still see the correct sub one?
i doubt we can get them to talk about it.

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>>8639543
>posts talking about Nabi and her relation to Hololive
>Nijicope
This is a bot account, right? It couldn't possibly be someone so retarded that they failed reading comprehension... right?

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>>8640920
>>8641750
>>8641829

???
Are you really saying Holofans don't open up multiple streams?

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>>8643738
So far we have no insider screenies, only from socialblade (prev. thread)
Sana & Kronii made fun of it though, after all that shit happened while space was live and just prior Kronii's

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>>8640340
People that box push and the groups that operate on that business model.

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>>8642743
gura please... give the others a chance
at this rate she'll hit 4M before anyone else hits 2M

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>>8643787
That's why I ignored it lol

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>>8643852
It's old news that Youtube only counts the active tab as a live view.

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>>8643787
The average tribalnigger is probably 80IQ and ESL so chances are pretty high that they are that retarded.

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>>8639051
Yes, she regularly does Twitch streams, especially her gameplay, and they're almost all in Korean.
Twitch is much bigger for streaming in Kr and she can do the rager "red Nabi" mode. It's pretty much a different audience than her YT "blue Nabi" artist streams.

It's like with CN channels who do CN streams on bili and EN on YT or Twitch.

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>>8640018
Only when Cover, Anycolor and others file enough complaints, or a couple of big EN channels get hit by it and sick their twitter mob on YT.
So far, YT has only replied with automatic or template tweets whenever anyone wrote to them about it, meaning they don't care and won't fix it until it hurts their image.

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>>8643972
Honestly, the tab-out theory has always been suspect for me, because watchalongs exist and you're very likely tabbed out during a watchalong. It's more likely imo that youtube only counts your view for one stream if you have multiple open.
It's easy for them to tell if 1 account/IP is watching multiple streams.

Most people use youtube on phones and mobile devices anyways so they can only watch 1 stream at once.

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>>8641219
It's a stream at random hours, they have fans all over the world who might not know when to tune in.
Especially since they're new, all their fans already follow other vtubers and, without a prompt, they won't know the new kids went live.

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>>8639051
>>8639391

>>8636270

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>>8643972
Which says nothing about Holofans not opening multiple streams. Sure they might not be able to have them all on different tabs on the same browser but it doesn't stop them from opening them on separate monitors or with a tool like Holodex.

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>>8643972
It's also so old that it's still unconfirmed, but always taken as a fact for some reason

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>>8639051
>>8639391

>>8634943

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>>8643931
What is this from? Japanese broadcast TV?

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>>8643931
Imagine not having 1 million subs before debut.

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>>8644610
yes

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>>8644693
Cliche: Asians in small squares reacting exaggeratedly to mundane things

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>>8643787
Being associated with Hololive in any way as an artist must feel like finding a gold vein. do we have the numbers to see whether artists see an increase in popularity when they are contracted by Hololive?

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>>8644160
whats irritating about those canned response is how it actually hide what really happens.
>channel owner notice significant slash on their subs from their subcount
>@TeamYoutube about it whether they unsub his audience
>YT firmly states they never unsubs, and their decrease in subcount is because of manual unsubscribe and/or spam/closed accounts
>channel owner led to believe that there might be actual manual unsubscriber and/or sub spammer for his channel
notice that YT uses the non-public subscriber mechanism as a context here, when they should have known that the channel owner is most likely unaware of that and can only observe the public sub count anyway (which does get 'unsubbed/uncounted' by YT).
This probably wont get fixed and/or resolved anytime soon.

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>>8644454
Marine's 3D scuff basically confirms that when it jumped ~30k+ live viewers the moment it starts/audio is playing.

[Anonymous No.]

>ongoing streams currently on piyo
Given that’s the absolute dead hours for JP the EN girls are doing very well.
Ina will struggle if she has to share the slot tho

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>>8644220
Jewtube only counts the viewer if they don't have any type of adblocker/anti-tracker add-on on their browser.

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>>8644976
>Pekora has no sub loss despite tons of EOPs
it's bots.

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>>8645076
>20k for a collab on one channel, debut week
holy shit, dead gen.

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>>8645108
this has little to do with EOP.
see >>8638588

[Anonymous No.]

>>8642545
> ghost subs
This makes sense since Gura is gaining momentum thanks to EN2.

[Anonymous No.]

Mel on a steep incline path. Who would guess that streaming more often and interacting with your fellow streamers would result in more views?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8645179
Stop replying to obvious trolls
>>8645108
Here's your (You) nimrod

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>>8644899
Gura's artist has a long list of portfolio now.
Twitter ain't a good metric, but the artists are certainly delighted with the drastic engagement they receive.

>>8644693
glad Gura changed the pfp, it looks great

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>>8645376
Pekora has real subs and real viewers while EN2 can barely scrape 20k on week 1. It's over.

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>>8645076
Ina is usually #1 during these time slots. EN2 might dethrone her.

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>>8645367
Random point 5 months ago for comparison

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>>8645435
so Hololive branding is actually the "Midas touch"

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>>8644899
It would be difficult to quantify but yes, being an artist for hololive does bring attention to the artist, especially if they're a woman and their design is used by a popular holo. Nachomama is probably the best example.

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>>8645436
Slow and steady she marches to 10k or close

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>>8645460
Ahn~ Carbine~~

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>>8645565
doesn't she usually peak at around 2 pm PST?

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>>8645554
Being an artist for hololive is probably one of the best gigs you could land as a streamer, you get to benefit from the Holo boost without having to deal with cover's retarded permission autism or management policies

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>>8645516
As long as you do a good job and promote yourself properly. Both Holobass and the bloke that ragequit drawing for Hololive Alternative manga proved that no matter how talented you are or how good your work is: if you fall out of grace it is pretty much as if you never have existed in the first place.

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>>8641951
Kiara's stream was one of her most popular ones in recent time.

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>>8645610
Depends on the game
however se isnt playing with participants but ghosts

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>>8645701
>you get to benefit from the Holo boost without having to deal with cover's retarded permission autism or management policies
Yeah but the boost is a nerfed version of the real boost too. It may put you ahead of 90% of the streamers but not as high as even the middle of the ID pack

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>>8645906
Except Ui mama, she'd be middle of the pack in holoJP and near the top of nijiJP girls. It's kinda insane actually.

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>>8645906
Aoi Nabi. Same design, same streams, same everything, if streaming on Hololive proper she would be getting 4k, 5k views per stream easily and the only thing she would have to chance would be
>not playing games without the proper writing permission of the owners

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>>8646101
Yeah but like >>8646120, on Holo proper (instead of Holo adjacent) I say she would be at the top of the pack around or even over Haachama

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>>8646101
She is like Toya and Ayame and has the buff form all of their audience showing up in her rare streams.

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>>8645554
Nabi and Pochi both almost have 200k subs and stream to a couple hundred to a thousand people. Most artists stream to 20 on pixiv or youtube.
Being a mama/papa also lets them have a lot more organic twitter interactions with the vtuber fanbase, which boosts their profile. Pako and Huke were known names to many EOPs, but we know a lot more about their personalities after they designed HoloEN members.

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>>8646245
Work smart, not hard

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>>8646269
the only non-shit mama is Pochi, the rest are dull

[Anonymous No.]

Anon wasn’t kidding about VSPO incline: when there are enough datapoints I assume it can be measured that they’re ahead of NijiEN

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>>8646601
how many talents vspo has?

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>>8646601
Vspo is a well known leech of niji, so that doesn't count.

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>>8646601
>I assume it can be measured that they’re ahead of NijiEN
not much of an accomplishment

[Anonymous No.]

>>8646756
12, it seems
https://piyo.chats.ninja/org/sRERHPxf

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>>8646601
Old news
This Vspo clip channel averages 1mil views a day and is all over the JP algorithm.

https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCFht3Ite1H2fDF5_alQBgHQ

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>>8646601
Their talents have personality so it's bound to happen. NijiEN's interactions felt kinda forced and seem so childish I bet a lot of people got turned off by that.

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>>8647039
Yeah, let's compare Sumire who was playing with fucking Kuzuha in an Apex event, to nijiEN.

you people are so fucking stupid.

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>>8646601
NijiEN would kill to have a 5.7k peak again. I think that was Selen's peak in her first Apex stream and the closest she's ever gotten to it again was 5.5k during the Froot/Zentreya collab.

Also, Ina approaching 11k playing Mario Kart after Fauna's collab ended, gained 3k from 8k start.

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>>8646894
Having a clique = leeching?
Bora and Naraka have inclined from collabing with Vspo/ apex circles

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>>8647138
I picked a random girl, I don’t really know them well enough to cherry-pick.
Here is another one, picked at random from the 12 listed.
Very good numbers either way. I don’t think it’s a fluke but good fundamentals across the board for them

[Anonymous No.]

>>8647244
Ignore him. Just a bitter nijinigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8647244
No, but in their case is leeching. You don't know their history, to begin with Vspo is known by the nips as pro gamers onaholes, since they're the only girls that can openly play with pros with 0 issues, given they don't have seething unicorns.

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>>8647244
Bora inclined, because she was the best Apex player among JP speaking Niji members before Lauren and Axia came. Don't know about Naraka though.

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>>8646601
Why are you comparing an older japanese group that is focused on FPS and gets a buff every tournarment with fucking nijiEN?

[Anonymous No.]

If Sana can reach 10K then all HoloEN are >10K within 24 hrs. (Ame plays GTA/Mori MV released)

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>>8647490
Sounds like a lot of seething to me, mixed with jealousy of the success of others and a hint of that bitch name calling thing roasties do when they see other girls getting ahead.

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>>8647559
Anon, women are not the ones calling Vspo whores, it's men

[Anonymous No.]

>>8647529
Why not? Numbers are numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>8647490
you're mad as fuck also selen will never make it in the JP apex scene

[Anonymous No.]

>>8647579
I’m not referring to “others” anon. Take a good look at the mirror and think about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8647555
IRyS: RFA ,might be a challenge depends on the level she chooses

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>>8647490
Fag i've been following VSPO/LVG for almost 2 years now.
The fact that you think there aren't other girls within the apex scene just shows how retarded you are.

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>>8647606
That's like comparing a number of parked cars on a lot with a number of tiles on a wall.
Yes, numbers, yes, completely useless to compare.

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>>8647692
Vspo has been leeching from Niji, KNR then CNR since day one, stop coping, Hinano is quite literally only popular because of oreapo.

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>>8647638
Can you elaborate what you mean by "JP apex scene"? A CR tournament? Hal's tournament? Pro JP tournament?

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>>8647651
Irys didn't get 10k in her first RFA stream (9k peak) so it's unlikely, especially with overlap too.
I'm very curious about Ame's GTAV numbers today. No overlap too.

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>>8647529
Because Nijisanji lives rent free in this threads head

[Anonymous No.]

>>8647751
In what world is Oreapo Niji/KNR/CR?
you're fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8647155
Nijisanji roommates are traditionally ugly so it's expected that their live viewer numbers would dip. It would take a lot of leeching off of other agencies like Vshojo to reach those numbers back again.

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>>8647712
I don’t see how the analogy applies to “comparing streamer numbers to other streamers numbers”, the subject matter of this thread, specially when one of the recurring themes in this thread is
>look how strong Selen is, former APEX predator, potential great numbers when gaming

VsPo incline could help highlighting that exact potential, for instance.

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>>8647802
Was her RFA stream during post-debut week?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8647821
Who made Kamito into what he is today?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8647875
Over a month after debut

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>>8647366
>nijinigger
says the hololive fan. How is Sana? Seems pretty black to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8647875
She debuted Jul 11, RFA was Aug 14

[Anonymous No.]

>>8647839
What the fuck do their roommates have to do with anything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8647953
More like tanned?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8647839
Don't respond to my post with tribal bait, fag.

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>>8647839
First - that doesn't correlate with viewer number.
Second - have you seen Holo's roommates? Man, that's some nightmare fuel. Such ghoulish, disgusting, morbidly obese mugs will repulse anyone in a ten mile radius.

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>>8647839
I've seen Selen's roomate and she's cuter than Ina. No idea how that boring 4/10 gook gets so many viewers.

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>>8647953
That’s not how racism works, anon. When you’re called a nigger you don’t say
>well, yeah, but look! someone else is also a nigger

If you even gets annoyed by being called X-nigger, X-fag or the equivalent in this site, let me be the one to break it for you
>you may be a nigger and a fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>8647988
People like to believe that the face behind the cute avatar is also cute

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>>8648163
yes, that's why Mel has more viewers than Korone and Okayu, wait a second.

[Anonymous No.]

Based on the level of discourse I’m starting to believe there is at least one (1) roastie in this thread right now.
Telltales are
>jealousy of the success of others
>inability to recognize OBVIOUS qualities of the people they dislike
>feels over numbers

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>>8647849
Please, go up this thread and you'll see that it originated not on figuring out Selen's potential numbers, but on complete tribalfag bullshit.
>VsPo incline could help highlighting that exact potential, for instance.
Right thought, but wrong direction. Selen is not a JP apex streamer, she cannot grow the same way, VsPo did - by collabing with a big JP Apex vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

The truth is gachikoi can't help themselves and will do everything in their power to find their oshi's roommate.
Rushia/Coco would not be where they are now if not for their roommate being at least above average in attractiveness.

Roasties like Polka/Mio/Korone will never be top superchat earners.

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>>8648269
where are the numbe--
>at least one (1)
nevermind, carry on

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648209
Mel has lower numbers by virtue of not being a Holo. Besides, they stream on Twitch so there should be some discrepancies on how viewer numbers are counted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8647941
>>8647967
Then there's a chance to get over 10k viewers during post-debut week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648209
most people haven’t seen Koro’s tiktok dox

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648163
I know this is the autism thread but please, keep this autism to yourself and only exhibit numberfag autism

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>>8648307
>VsPo did - by collabing with a big JP Apex vtubers.
I don't think it's that simple. Hal and the other tournament organisers have fostered an environment where everyone benefits. And however you look at it, these days VSpo are some of the bigger apex tubers. Not the biggest, but solidly above the middle of the pack.

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>>8648351
are you for real?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648351
you can compare them with Choco or Roboco them, you eop nigger, shut the fuck up about shit you understand nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648323
Korone is literally 9h in superchats all time for vtubers...
Okayu is 22th.
Towa is 33th.
Mel is 124th.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648307
She can incline by collabing with Big EN Apex streamers instead. Especially since there's a lot more of them interested in vtubers lately.

Also she can join CR cup if she gets invited.
She would get -4 points for language and female which is a huge value pickup for any tryhard team.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648151
holoEN literally has more niggers than nijiEN, so why the terminology?

go have some waffles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648323
>Polka/Mio/Korone will never be top superchat earners.
Korone is one of the 10 most suoerchatted YouTubers of all times, Mio is on the Top40.

Was this irony?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648074
> have you seen Holo's roommates?
> He asks on /vt/
There's literally videos of Holo roommates with millions of views, you're not tricking any newfags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648508
she can. but will she? strongly doubt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648323
Now that you mention, Ina does get the lowest sc numbers in her gen... and Selen does way better than her in viewer to sc ratio.

Also, seething obsessed mod banned me for calling her ugly lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

Why
are you talking about roommates
WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH NUMBERS

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648536
PROTIP: the only people, in this site, that gets offended with implications of niggerdom are niggers.

Your strenuous objections are not doing you or nijiniggers any favours, might as well eat some fried chicken and watermelon

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648431
Yes, they were decent, but much much smaller than NIjiJp. And as I remember, Ichinose was able to increase her viewership by around 30% (I mean not during collab, but indefinitely) and almost double her subscribers just by participating in one apex game with Kuzuha.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648683
no thanks I'll watch Rosemi, enjoy Sana, the first african vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648645
>in viewer to sc ratio
This is some next level cope

>>8648725
>the first african vtuber
Gwelu has been around for a while before Sana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648508
Now that's one of the few ways she can go to progress.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648645
>viewer to sc ratio.
KEK, you know someone is trying to lie with numbers when, instead of comparing the actual measurements, they start to compare ratios of unrelated things.

>I’m not a midget, if you take the ratio of feet size / height I’m way ahead of Shaquille O’Neal

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648307
Not him, but I think it's pretty fucking relevant. It just shows that there is a market out there for girls that actually know how to play video games and are (to a degree) able to do so competitively.

>>8646601 may have a point in spite of his tribal niggering. Just what the fuck is it wrong with NijiEN that somehow the group with a limited language reach in a nation generally known for its general distaste for the west's favorite past time video game genre is able to keep up with the group that can actually put it to good use. If anything, it just shows that AnyColor should be focusing on scouting actual gamers in the west seeing that Cover isn't even trying to do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648769
tanned is different than looking like a bowling ball which Sana is. It's fine, maybe she can steal some subs, she needs them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648581
Anon, that was a rhetorical question...

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648508
She won't because she said she doesn't want to play competitively, she even had a rant stream where she was upset people only care about her pred status when she just plays Apex for fun and got to pred with her friends. Plus the language point debuff is for people whos first language isn't JP, Selen knows 0 JP and don't bring up KuzuGen because that isn't CR.
I know people like to use Selen to shitpost a lot in here but it would be nice if there were people who actually watched her who can give input.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648838
Kuzuha got 144k for an Apex tournament and that's purely JOPs, I don't think you realize how much Japan likes Apex.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648720
Why lie?
27k is doubling when her subs were already at 200k already?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648838
>It just shows that there is a market out there for girls that actually know how to play video games
That was the entire point of the comparison, I should have made it explicit and mentioned Selen from the getgo

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648499
Why'd you list okayu and towa and not polka and mio?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648581
>>8648814
It's pretty much the same for both. Both get like 400-600 dollars per video (not accounting for streamlabs), but since Ina has way more viewers than Selen she has a lower sc ratio.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648907
he was playing with a popular male idol who wasn't streaming from his end so that gave him a huge boost from fans of the idol who wanted to see him play.
kuzuha can get high numbers on his own on tournament days, but don't strip that stream of its very important context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648923
Forgot image.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648902
tell her to go leech from chihiro

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648862
>Man, that's some nightmare fuel. Such ghoulish, disgusting, morbidly obese mugs will repulse anyone in a ten mile radius.
Everyone knows this is bullshit because there are videos with millions of views showing Holo roommates.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648907
>Kuzuha got 144k for an Apex tournament
This is as disingenuous as saying Pekora got 120k talking to a woman on stream for her 1 mil sub celebration.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649019
>leech
it's not leeching when they ask first, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649072
Gura got 190k+ by showing her new shoes or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649100
what a nice girl. she knows tatsuki is a fucking indecisive pussy. still leeching though, but chihiro would love to share some blood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649177
Leeching should be a forbidden word in the numbers thread. Big number > small number, regardless of how it’s obtained.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649021
And if you've seen those videos you'd realize
>Porka
>Botan
>Korone
>Okayu
>Ina
>Ame
>Haato
>Mio
Are all uggos

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649021
Lmao, looks like we found someone with a freaky fetish. If you think that they look normal, I'd better stay away from you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649240
Yeah, confirmed for roastie at best, flaming homo at worst.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649122
Pomu got 200k for fiddling a stick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649177
Selen is in Chii-chan's chat and she calls Selen out saying hi. Bora also handwrote her a note. They all want to play with her but competitively, that isn't going to happen.
And yeah fuck off with saying everything you don't like is a leech

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649315
>Pomu
You surely mean Nijisanji official channel, no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649222
true. calling out nature of a number is just a form of cope. such behavior should be laughed at.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649382
so next time an eceleb collab gets big numbers people aren't allowed to 'call out' it's because it's an eceleb collab, right? just to make sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649352
Yes and anyone attributing Pomu to that is retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649000
I don't see 200k on this graph, so it's not only me, who's lying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649419
The only retards dismissing Kuzuha numbers for being in a collab with a JPop idol do not belong in this thread anyway, most people here were happy for the big numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>8648998
he still gets 70k-80k every tournarment too, so it's not like he is wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649315
Coco got 490K while most contents are recorded

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649288
Confirmed for holocoper. Okayu makes Mito look like a supermodel in comparison.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649352
Nijisanji is Pomu, so it's her channel

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649502
>most people here were happy for the big numbers
Don't confuse this thread with the Nijihomo thread.

[Anonymous No.]

The next step would be comparing roommates' numbers to determine which company is better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649337
Selen is not leeching, because she is part of niji too, so it's fair, they're co-workers. It's like Moona and Pekora, Moona is only the top because of Pekora, but that's fine, because she is still a holo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649507
of course, i just don't think that specific stream is a good example because the presence of yamada ryosuke means it also had the attention of johnny's idol otakus who have never touched a video game in their lives and probably never will. still insane numbers and amazing exposure for kuzuha (definitely reflected in his sub growth and the increase of views for his KING cover), but yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

Back to numbers. This pic has the tail end of the top 100 most suoerchatted youtubers.
Pikamee right at the edge, that surprised me. Also
>HOW DO WE SAVE PEWDIEPIE LADS?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649526
Aw man, you didn't stick to our theme, what a letdown! You should've written something like "Coco got 490k while lying in a grave" or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649507
>he still gets 70k-80k every tournarment too, so it's not like he is wrong.
He is wrong because he literally just got his first tournament over 70k a few days ago, after he got massive exposure from Hikakin and the Ryosuke Yamada collab.
His previous tournament peaks were 63k and 55k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649676
kenmochi fucking faggot turn on your superchats you're making us look bad you stupid bitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649675
>Coco got 490k for talking with her coworkers

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649675
Good timing to ruin the topic .

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649740
That's better, but something like
>Coco got 490k during a small talk
would be even better

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649502
I think there's a line between explaining how he got those numbers and dismissing them outright. It's equally retarded to think Kuzuha's 144k in his Ryosuke Yamada collab was all him or even a common occurence. He was also collabing with StylishNoob in the same collab, who is one of the biggest Apex names in JP.

>most people here were happy for the big numbers
Ofc, people who said he was leeching deserve the rope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649601
>numbers
Isn't that this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649419
of course, you can cope and seethe all you want, but you will never change the cold hard number.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649895
No one was happy about those numbers it was just falseflaggers spamming kneel and everyone else calling him a leech

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649895
we only celebrate holo numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649676
>HOW DO WE SAVE PEWDIEPIE LADS?
I saw PDP with 15k viewers the other day despite having 110k subs. Dead subssssss??????????? How will he survive?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649931
so it's based/mogging when it's someone anons like and leeching when it's not, understood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649895
no, holofags were seething very hard that day. it was so miserable to watch, that I just left.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649959
Ban live stream function, make YT become pure video website.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649981
Yes, see how calm the discussion about how HoloEN2 can boost their numbers is compared to when a random Niji does something

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649931
There were lots of anons in awe at the number, but weren't spamming mog and kneel. People were praising him for how he was keeping 60k with Stylishnoob after Yamada left too. You're only remembering image-posters spamming the same kneel pics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649502
>>8649876
You only get to the level of being able to collab with celebrities by being famous in the first place, so dismissing it as leeching is pure (holo)cope. Miko would kill to collab with Hikakin, but she can't because she's not as popular as Kuzuha.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649959
3 man apex collab with kato junichi and kuzuha

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650072
not sure if it's just about that. does miko often collab with faceless/facecam streamers? because kuzuha does on the daily so it doesn't really clash with the rest of his streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650072
on livestreaming scene hikakin will be the one leeching from kuzuha

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650072
>Miko would kill to collab with Hikakin
Yes, but she won't because she's in Hololive. Hikakin has collabed with people way smaller than Holos.

>she's not as popular as Kuzuha.
This is true too tho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650130
The top of hololive doesn't collab with anyone that is not Hololive in the first place, so of course not. Hololive is completely isolated these days, there are only a few expections, like FBKI and Towa/Matsuri.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650072
She will never collab with Hikakin because she is a woman in Hololive, and also she'd be upset at the vtuber antis way more than Kuzuha

[Anonymous No.]

>>8647751
Tbh I don't see anything wrong with that? Everyone is leeching from everyone when they are collabing. I would agree that I only got to know Hinano from Kamito, but now if they both stream at the same time, I would only watch Hinano's.

But I get what you meant. Here, say it with me:
"I wish my oshi also collab with big apex streamers so they can incline"
"I wish my oshi has teetee partner so they can incline"

There's no shame admitting your envy, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650402
Sorry, I don't find it fun to see my oshi being sexually harassed on stream. Enjoy the subbed clips though.

[Anonymous No.]

here to remind you hololive was built on leeching

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650567
Is there even a solo vtuber who made it big on their own? Even the weather one was leeching off her news station if you think about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650567
networking and collabing with other people in the same scene to grow your own channel isn't leeching

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650745
AI.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650316
>She'd be upset at the vtuber antis way more than Kuzuha
No she wouldn't. Miko has been dealing with antis going all the way back to her pre-Hololive NND days. She knows how to deal with them now. Don't forget that during the doujin incident Marine layed low while Miko took the brunt of the abuse. I'm sure Miko did that on purpose. She is a tough girl despite her baby voice.

[Anonymous No.]

> Numbers thread
Take your tribalistshit out of this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8643852
no they dont. its been proven by many researches througout the 21st century.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650820
Yeah, and Coco took the brunt of the abuse for Haachama...

[Anonymous No.]

>The top 10 are occupied by Hololive and the Niji main channel
>Pekora didn't make the top 5
>Fauna and Miko have 2 streams on the top 10 (same for Niji main)
>the top 10 basically starts at 22k
>to enter the top 20 you need to beat Noel x Flare at 14,704 CCV
>the lowest ranked 10k+ stream is Utako's at #28
>the lowest 9k+ stream is at #32

The chuuba CCVs fall off a cliff afterwards:
>#33 got 7,688 CCV as the highest 7k+
>#35 got 6,947 CCV as the highest 6k+
>#38 got 5,712 CCV as the highest 5k+
>#43 got 4,986 CCV as the highest 4k+

After that it kinda tapers off again all the way down to #100 with 1,373 CCV

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650820
I thought both of them issued apology statements then fucked off for a week for their suspension?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650918
>Pekora didn't make the top 5
If EN2 can keep their numbers relatively high, Pekora will step up her game. She'll work out new ways of perfecting her numbers, so that she can always stay on top.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650820
She literally went on a break after twitter drama

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650918
Damn Miko

This has to be her best month ever right? Maybe the month after her come back? Either way she has been on fire this entire month.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650918
Obviously these HoloCouncil debut numbers won't last, but jeez.
A few months ago, 10k was enough to get you into the top 10 on a slow day. Now you need 15k to get into the top 20.

Wonder what Kanae did to double his normal Apex normals, was it because Kuzuha wasn't streaming?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650918
>mumei that high
what the fuck, she is more boring than the nigger, her voice is average as fuck too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650918
blue day

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650964
>>8651024
Obviously the company forced them to take a break. What I meant was that Miko was the one making all the statements about the updates with the situation and posting them on twitter. Marine literally disappeared while Miko dealt with all the bullshit. I'm not trashing Marine by the way I just think Miko was playing the role of senpai and telling Marine to lay low while she dealt with everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8651060
He was playing with Mayuzumi and Naruse Naru, but I don't think Naruse would do anything to affect his numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650894
By what making it worse overall for everyone involved?
Hachama would've been forgiven the same way Choco was, with a slap on the wrist and maybe removed from the Bili platform at the very most.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8651006
Are you new?
In what world is anyone keeping their debut buff numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8651215
You see, when Edengumi debuted debut buff wears off after 1 week and any 'good' numbers afterwards are flukes or Anycolor shill bots, but when HoloCouncil debuts they will ride debut buff numbers forever and ever

[Anonymous No.]

>>8651152
i'm a little retarded idk if i'm reading the graph properly but it does seem like the viewers increased after mayu joined him (at about midnight, kanae has a clock on stream)
https://playboard.co/en/video/QHjDrP3uvJw

[Anonymous No.]

>>8651060
I think it's very rare for him to collab with other nijis that aren't Kuzuha or Sara, so he had the unusual collab buff

[Anonymous No.]

>>8651060
>>8651152
I'm pretty sure Kanae has inclined. He got 12.5k playing Idol Manager out of all things. Mayuzumi being on his POV would only add about 5k views (assuming ALL of his viewers were watching which isn't usually the case as evidenced by that Owl and Ceres collab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8651215
He said relatively high. Look at IRyS. She had her debut buff too but even during that she never put up numbers like Kronii is right now. IRyS has settled into a routine of usually 5-6k for normal games, 8-10k for buff games, and 12-15k for karaoke. Due to just how strong Kronii has been a lot of people are thinking her normal once the buff dies down is going to be 12-15k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8651404
mayuzumi wasn't streaming he just linked kanae's stream on his twitter

[Anonymous No.]

>>8651215
That anon said "relatively" high. To me, that means if 1-3 of them can be 9-10k with the occasional 20k+ stream.
Not sure how that applies to consistent 22k+ Pekora tho.

>>8651293
It's literally one retarded anon who keeps spamming how badly Edengumi is doing. Learn to ignore him, it'll make you less salty.

[Anonymous No.]

Ame is >10K now , let's see Sana later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8649959
Unironically, have him Apex collab with CdawgVA and Ironmouse in vtuber model... or of they can get Ame for the trifecta.
You know, so we can bring this back to vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>8651572
I know, I'm just trying to do some math with his numbers. Mayuzumi usually gets 5-6k on APEX by himself, so Kanae got 16-17k by himself at the absolute minimum. Being in another person's POV also doesn't add the number the other person usually gets perfectly, otherwise that Mumei and Ceres collab would get at least 35-40k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8651880
Shipping collabs though have more views than both chuuba's put together.

See Oreapo, ebimaru, benizuwaigani

[Anonymous No.]

If HoloEN Gen2 did grow the EN market, wouldn’t some records for new outfit streams and such be broken in the future?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8651880
yeah i figured so i just wanted to add more info. last stream got him a little under 14k for playing on his own so it does seem like it's just the unusual collab partners.
maybe a few more streams can help us understand better because we can't use vsaikyou customs+tournament as indicators.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8643931
What'd they say about Gura?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8652348
VTuber overlord

[Anonymous No.]

>>8652235
Doubt it.
Gura is not really an accurate representation of the NA size because JP Tribalniggers who don't watch EN still view Gura as their numbers champion.
A better measurement would be taking in average/median numbers for costume/3d events for the entire EN branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8651215
Gura

[Anonymous No.]

>>8652348
Reaching the top of 14K vtuber, subscription over 3.21 M! Gawr Gura.
Secret of Gura's popularity:
1.Learning EN with JP fans
2.Learning JP with overseas fans.
3.Having fun with both JP & overseas fans(?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8652759
last one says both jp and overseas fans can enjoy

[Anonymous No.]

>>8652759
wait what, there's 14k vtubers now?
then Hololive debuts 5 and people call it saturation?

[Anonymous No.]

views peaked at 15k and now dropping kek fucking niggers

[Anonymous No.]

>8652759
i thought only /vt/ bragging about vtubers they do not watch

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653052
I was about to post this LOL
Peaked at 15k during the Nigga~ scene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8652659
My point doesn’t relate to a specific streamer. My point is that with a bigger pool of people for special events, it will likely give Holo a new boost against Niji. When I first proposed that Gen2 would grow the EN market, there was a lot of pushback at first. Now I’m saying there is a good chance that records in the future will likely be broken.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653052
>now dropping
falsflagger

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/yGnIulwq8dI
Gura is playing a debuff game today, there is hope for Sana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653123
15.5k now and still climbing.
the 'bathroom break' seems to have helped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653319
>>8653519
Ina ended her stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653463
Why do people care so much about Sana going head to head with Gura so much anyway? Plenty of JP Holos go head to head with the heavy hitters like Pekora and Miko all the time and they still do fine. As EN gets more members you are going to see more of this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653463
Thanks god she dodged Apex

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653559
Not as many care now I think, but originally it was simply to see what numbers she gets if she didn’t. Curiosity. That’s about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653559
Because this has become one of the few ways to gauge the real size of the EN vtuber audience.

A lot of viewers either dropped YT streaming, or vtubers in general at the start of 2021, or just went back to watching just the JP chuubas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653110
Numberfagging is part of Idol culture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653668
this is number hread sir

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653559
The problem isn't Sana going head to head with Gura, but Sana ending up being discouraged by the lower numbers generated from her going head to head with Gura. The one thing you want to avoid is her ending up throwing a pity party over numbers especially given her time slot since all that will do is put Gura on the spot and get you on the bad side of the chumbuds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653851
this is also my home fellow numberfag
ggg is a shitstorm

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653823
>"this is all because she leaen Japanese andliek JP fans"
just funny how JPs interpretat her success.

ps dont show it certain chicken

[Anonymous No.]

>>8645367
She has an announcement next week, I think, most probably a new outfit

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653940
How do you know what sana would feels anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653999
home sweet home

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653940
I think Sana is aware that streaming at that time if difficult for building an audience when you first start, as it excludes Gura fans, which is a big piece of the pie. The only thing then, is she doesn’t care.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8654065
voices in his head told him

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653559
Debut week is supposed to be your best numbers when tourists check you out and you try to get fans, so overlapping with Gura means Gura's viewers won't check you out. It's not a big deal in the long run anyways and yes, the girls will need to get used to overlap.

>>8653940
If you saw Sana's schedule and debut stream, then it's obvious she doesn't give a fuck about numbers. She won't be discouraged even when she drops to 3k CCV.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650918
looks like Fauna and Mumei ve got same audience

[Anonymous No.]

>>8654245
Ina, Ceres and Nashi were good to listen at simultaneously. Now, imagine if a certain chicken joined the discussion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8654104
But that's also best way to get the "real" fans no? Not getting the chumbud tourist

[Anonymous No.]

>>8654399
Kikerikiiii now i am going to get you two to collab on MY channel and there's nothing you two can do about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>8650918
>>8654399
i didnt watch vod (yet)
but since their previous time slots were pretty close as well amount live viewers of solo AND collab streams
>mumei 25k
>ceres 22k
>collab 22k
>*no collab buff
i come to this conclusion
>looks like Fauna and Mumei ve got same audience

[Anonymous No.]

>>8654519
I’m guessing Sana will make a lot from superchat, and the point is to make money. Maybe that’s her true aim. We tend to look past that at times. Fans willing to watch her at that time are probably very dedicated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8654519
true but you forgot about two simple truths
>BEEG numbers help the algorithm
>BEEG numbers generate even BEEGger numbers*
*ppl are most likely to come to stream with big amolunt of live viewers just out of curiosity

[Anonymous No.]

>>8654800
They just debut less than a week, probably haven't built their own audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8655106
>haven't built their own audience.

>looks like Fauna and Mumei ve got same potential audience*
better?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8655200
Sure, wait another week to see the difference.

[Anonymous No.]

19k for Ame now, still rising.

How long till the GTA Online collab follow-up?
Maybe a GTA date with Miko

[Anonymous No.]

>>8654898
given she is black she will probably steal superchats

[Anonymous No.]

>>8655652
It really took you 13 minutes to write something this weak?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8654898
>>8655102
She really destined to be flare of her gen isn't she? Lowest subs but high SC

[Anonymous No.]

>>8655715
weak is having the ugliest L2D in Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8655615
>19k for Ame now, still rising
Currently, she has the time slot for EN all to herself

[Anonymous No.]

>>8655615
Miko, Ame, and George

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>>8655652
>>8655715
>>8655781
Can’t you all have this conversation outside of the number thread?

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>>8655615
until rockstar fixes the hackers problem saying nigger on private lobbies

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>>8655926
Sana having a bad design is directly related to her being sub 10k in week 1, it's relevant.

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How do we save summit1g?

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>>8655615
>GTA Online
>with Forest and Chicken
>with Miko who dont know EN
*sigh*
>

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>>8655970
Stealing superchats?

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>>8655800
Ofc, but she's had this 3pm timeslot to herself for months and hasn't reached 19k in all that time.
Not gonna call it an incline tho, people are just hyped for the first HoloEN GTAV stream.

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>>8655743
we will see, she is a kusoge lover but i do think she will have lots some savior fags

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>>8655743
>high SC
i dont think she is as likable as Flare

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This is the highest Ame has got in months aside from morning show thing, right? EN2 is definitely buffing their viewers a bit.

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>>8655974
Ame unironically beating Summit playing the same game is kinda unreal actually.

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>>8656125
>Ame unironically beating Summit playing the same game
on twitch what is even more impressive

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>>8656092
She got higher doing Smol Ame 3D karaoke/dance streams, but yes for game streams.

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>>8654898
Depends. If her goals with Hololive are similar to Pochi/Ina (ie: excuse to play games as work) then she might end up rock bottom in superchats too. Honestly, leading in with bread astrology of all things, while being fully aware that a lot of people call it bullshit (she said as much that stream), kinda signals that she's just going to do w/e because she likes it.

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>>8656290
so it's a big waste of a spot, then. why pick her over actual, talented indies?

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>>8656061
she shares lots of traists with her tough.
Both Flare has singing and MC to boost her. Her other content isnt that watched.

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>>8656092
unfortunately she doesn't get any SC

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>>8656316
Because her resume built from many years of art credits destroys most indies.

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>>8656421
you mean her art that has extreme sameface? that art?

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>>8656316
>talented
You mean like in art, gaming, etc? That is Sana.

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>>8656495
talented artists can do more than one face. ie: raita, who does better males than females.

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>>8656449
Yes
https://mrfz.fandom.com/wiki/Mizuki
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1426490/LOST_EPIC/

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>>8656525
Are you really going to argue against her ability at art, here?

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>>8656609
yeah I am, she has a worse case of sameface than FGO Saber.

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>>8655615
>>8655978
The language barrier will just make Miko more entertaining for westerners, the numbers should be better than Shiranui Kensetsu GTA collabs

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>>8656322
>Flare has singing
oh sure she has
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBj7JZiyR-s&list=PLBoFNGFmekcMIhlW5Z-umsS3VPnQx7tI8&index=9
is Sana even remotely close to this voice? (i don't even want to mention her accent and im fucking KFP for fuck sake!)
here is 2 things
1. Flare has grate voice and very likable personality (she has the biggest female audience in holo)
2. JPs are on another level in term of SCs, EOPs a not even close

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>>8656142
did anyone here talk about participating?

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>>8656543
damn anon ty for the game recommendation

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Ame hit 20k 3 mins before Gura starts Rimworld. Will be interesting to see how many move over and how many stay.
Still her most successful game stream in many months.

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i meant BUT Flare has singing. AND also Minecraft.
Also Flare didnt start as a good singer, she started pretty rough but worked to get better so i do think sana could. Outside that my comparision is more in their manerism, both are extremely polite and are really sweet when tlaking serious topics and also high energy and dont really get mad whens truglling on games.
I do think she could get plenty of SC becasue she is really popular with artist and also pitty points from saviorfags.

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>>8656780
I kind of view it like this: Space is the bait, and Time is the trap.

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9k pre stream for gura.
How popular is rimworld tough? doesnt sound something that gura would be able to exploit.

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Wait, were you morons actually arguing this whole time about what Sana will have, to make her popular past her design?

Have you not watched her streams, or read any of the other threads on VT?
If first impressions and rrats are to be believed
>best illustrator/Ina in EN2
>actual Gamer of EN2
>best video editor/Ame of EN2
>aussie comedy and improvisational skills

She'll be very much fine once people stop jerking over her design being too shit OR coom.

In other news, Ame at 20k for a second.

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>>8657204
>Sana
>good artist
this is hilarious point that i keep seeing again and again. aspecially since she schedule 0 streams and NEVER mentioned art by herself!

Yes we ve got Ina but not only she leads with art from the first week, she is doing much more during her art streams.

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Any way to catch how many people joined membership? Other than counting manually?

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>>8657240
i will switch Sana for Rat

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its over... Gura should just graduate.

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fellow anon has reasonable question >>8656331

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>>8658191
she opened memeebrship before the stream so hard to tell.
prehcat had like 11 memeberships

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>>8658234
You clearly didn’t understand the meaning. Think it over a bit first.

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oh right usually Youtube cute En2 subs at this time.
Anyone checking?

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>>8658514
She put up a members only post 19 hours ago which had over 200 likes before the stream started
https://i.imgur.com/TfK5U95.png

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So the debut of EN2 is sort of reinvigorating EN1's viewership (e.g. Ame's GTAV stream), however do you think this will remain or fall off soon? Personally, unless something goes somewhat viral, I would believe the viewership will start to "revert" back soon.

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>>8658499
>reasonable question
>streaming at gura's time slot

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>>8658707
>https://i.imgur.com/TfK5U95.png
like i said hard to ave a floor until next floor. But likes are usually not that good as a metric

>>8658692
sana lost 1k

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>>8658849
Hard to do. after the 1 month collab is liftet then it will ge reinvigorated again.

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>>8658887
>>8658692
they all now have lost 1k

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>>8658887
>>8658692
did she lost?
i see +8k on social blade
now she is 107k
but we should wait 1-3 hours to be sure

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>>8658707
>>8658887
Sana, Mumei, Kronii and Ceres -> 1k
Baelz -> 2k

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>>8658692
why are they still losing subs? meanwhile this guy has 0 videos.

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>>8659253
Do a comparison with Holostats

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>>8659331
Simps aren't subbing to Omega on 50 different accounts so it isn't flagged.

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>>8659253
she is 108k on the waiting page of rythm heaven if i check in adifferent tab she is 107k
Bale and mumei were 170k and now 169k
so yeah they lost 1k or maybe still loosing some hundreds

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>>8658191
The memberships have been rolling in since she opened them 19h ago, and she unlocked every emote after the first h or so. I am so curious about how many she is up to. Think I have seen 10-20 of the 100$ tier memberships too

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>>8658849
i will say Kronii, Fauna, Mumei could bring new or help to return new audience.
Rat can do the same with JPs
SAna..

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>>8659380
Use trackHolo instead, it refreshes once ~ 10 min
Holostats is 1 hr

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>>8658313
but now we now that she value
ame and calle over kiara and tako

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>>8658849
yes. its the repeat of May buff again when they got their first costume. HoloEN events = reminding normiefags that vtuber is still alive and kicking.

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>>8659750
It means if the events spread over different months, EN can maintain the buff.

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damn i just watch 2nd Fauna's collab and she is fucking golden mine!
cant wait till SCs and ASMR stream to see her Numbers!

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HoloEN numbers update

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>>8659939
If she keeps doing ASMR once a week like Patra, she might earns SC and keeps 12K-13K ccv even the buff is over.

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>>8660121
NijiEN.....don't look

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>>8660158
>12K-13K ccv
too much, but 7-8k after buff ccv will be reasonable for nonasmr stream

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>>8660326
stop to be mean to small start up, anon.
let them compare this branch to holoID for better scale

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>>8660362
Yep,I meant ASMR exclusively.
7-8k for normal stream is still very high for ASMR vtuber.

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>>8659733
Gura is American.

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>>8660121
EN gen 3 is pretty much given if they can maintain those no. Average 5-10k on every streams are pretty good.

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>>8660326
Now you've done it anon, they will bring out their selen to shit on ame oblivion stream and mad apex skillz

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>>8661116
>EN gen 3 is pretty much given
did you ever doubt it?
they have audition for fucking holoID gen 3, anon so even 1.5k streammers is ok fer them

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>>8653239
i mean, records are going to be broken in the future because vtubing as a whole is generally growing, right?

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>>8661258
>selen
En Kuzuha for niji shitters

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>>8661353
Kuzuha can compete with Pekora, Gura, Marine. This shitter is a 2k midget.

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>>8661353
she's not the kuzuha that selenfags wish she was and she will never be

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>>8661258
>selen
anon her last apex stream was 2.8k and dont wanna talk about any other1 since unlike nijishitters i have some dignity

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>>8661485
>>8661500
>"but if Kuzuha collabs with heer.."

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>>8661258
>shit on ame
She does it so well all by herself though.