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8628009 No.8628009 [Reply] [Original]

Has she been acting like a sour bitch? Of course. Still, she was right in calling EN management a bunch of fucking retards that are, slowly but surely, leading the EN branch into a pile of shit.
The fact that Mori and Gura reacted how they did during the TTRPG collab evidences that Myth had already talked about this at some point, and maybe they also agree with Kiara, but they wouldn't go up against management because that's a retarded thing to do.
>Despite Myth's existence for almost a year, we still don't know their lore and all their character's qualities and backstories have been completely fabricated and not confirmed in any official matter (Amelia decided to attribute herself time travelling powers despite being a mere mortal who, according to the lore, is investigating mythological creatures)
>Management wanted Myth to avoid calling Council their kouhais because it wouldn't make any fucking sense for literal gods to address a bunch of creatures as senpai.
>Management thinks HoloEN is too big to fail at this point, so they are willing to push their main cast aside to promote their new chuuni branch and lore, even when these girls became internet sensations and the face of western vtubing in just a few months after their debuts. They are so delusional that they even announced Council related merch during their debut collab, which clearly sends the message that Cover is expecting Council to be as successful and influential as Myth is.
>Gura said that Cover hired a bunch of new EN managers for the new branch and one of those retards complained that Gura was asking for "too many game permissions", which prompted her to ridicule that faggot while on stream.
EN management was a fucking mistake. I don't think Enma, Jenma or J-Chad have the power to change or influence anything at this point, but if all this bullshit somehow was their idea, fuck them too.

>> No.8628126 [DELETED] 

It’s what everyone said would happen. They got a taste of western money and brought in some western staff to keep the gravy train rolling along. Westerners carry a cultural cancer and will destroy anything they work on.

>> No.8628174

This is why management needs to be people that actually consume the product. People are here for JP culture imported to the West not the fucking spice girls.

>> No.8628203

Council will not fail though. They can throw whatever shit they want and their EOPs will say thank you.

>> No.8628224

‘Omegle’ saw this and made an entire OP Gen just to say he is the strongest.
https://youtu.be/7IqNz__e59w?t=3685

>> No.8628338

>>8628174
>People are here for JP culture imported to the West not the fucking spice girls.
Unfortunately this isn't the case, at least not the case anymore ever since EN1 attracted more disgusting EOPs. Even while browsing 4chan, you can easily find a lot of people complaining that ENs are not singing in English or producing English songs. I would even reckon that English songs would include Spice Girls.

>> No.8628408

>>8628203
Everything else in OP is completely true though.

>> No.8628515

>>8628126
yes, but at least they are not an npc like the Japanese

>> No.8628603

>>8628338
>ENs are not singing in English or producing English songs
there's a simple practical reason for this, the people who write the songs are japanese and usually can't english at all.

>> No.8629020

It's time like this that fucker Tanigo needs to be taken down

>> No.8629084

what is any of the context
and do i care

>> No.8629102

>>8628009
Kiara has a history of calling out her management and benefactors (and a history of being a sour bitch too). Something that not many girls have guts to do. I respect her for that.

>> No.8629174

>>8628009
>He will be the final yab
Just think about it. Where do (you) anons think he came from!? He was hired during the hololive boom and it's pretty clear he is innit for the fame and glory.
>why would they give a fucking staff an avatar that related to the girls with full lore?
This shows what a powerfags this dude is. It's been hinting throught out the year how he ban Myths from collabing with coco.
>It was cool and all and can be solve and hidden behind the curtain but now that he is out and interacting with fans, HE WILL make things Worst
>HE WILL FORCE THE GIRL WITH HIS "IDEAL" DIRECTION
>EN WILL BECOME SOULLESS
>The girls cant take it anymore and "accidently" leak it
>A huge scandal on gamebu level will emerge and end the whole branch!
Tldr; HE IS THE OMEGA = THE FINAL YAB THAT END IT ALL!

>> No.8629207

>TTRPG collab clip
Obviously her joking around and taking the piss because she's an entertainer.
>Mario Kart clip
Nothing wrong with anything she said. Mori's touched on it too, Gura's alluded to it. Yes it's a cushy job but they have to deal with schizos (just look at >here), antis, constant drama and shitstirring within their fanbases, management dragging them around, the culture clash between western talents and hardheaded JP management, etc. etc.
I swear to god Kiara antis have never fucking spoken to another human before, much less had a job. It's so fucking blatant how unsocialized you people are.

>> No.8629856

>>8629207
people here are agreeing with your boss, kfphaggot.
and if you truly believe her outburst during the TTRPG collab was "le funny joke xD" you're definitely one of those brainwashed retards who thinks Kiara never runs her mouth and has never complained or victimized herself in the past. she is stirring drama, and she knows it. she wouldn't talk shit about management if she really didn't mean what she was saying, and she has done the same shit in the past too. stay delusional.

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8629881

>>8629856

>> No.8630097

Kiara is based. I'm glad more people are accepting this fact.

>> No.8630162

>>8628009
Op is 100% right about everything he said.

>> No.8630164

>>8628126
not everyone is a self hating retard like you anon

>> No.8630361

>>8628009
Am I reading this correctly or did you really just base half of your autistic tirade on LORE?
You will never get your wishes granted, nor will you ever be paid attention to at all, since you're so far off from why people watch chuubas that it's a wonder you're even on this board. "Lore" in Vtubers is literally less important than plot in a porno.

>> No.8630442

>>8628009
I really hate this OmegayFag. Maybe is because his "holier than thou" act or the fact he's a fucking self insert manager that weasel his way into a big spot and it's doing whatever the fuck he wants because he's manager. I used to though JP mngmt was retarded but EN mngmt really took the prize by a landslide.

>> No.8630534

I'm just disappointed if Omega really is just a manager account because it feels like a waste of fuzichoco as a character designer.

>> No.8630657

A-chan >>> Omega

>> No.8630660

>>8628009
Gura voiced her opinion on management, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6zvE5CyL4g

>> No.8630685

This omega faggot is never going to make live appearances or stream nor debut because everyone knows this motherfucker is a dude. The girls are saying that he is a she to cover his ass. The fact that that tweet first listed "He" as his pronouns is big enough of a clue.

>> No.8630720 [DELETED] 

Not reading all that shit but Kiara is based if she hates the tranny manny

>> No.8630764

Between this and dominating Nyanners I kneel to Kiara

>> No.8630800

>>8630361
>Cover announces EN branch
>their announcement trailer evidences a Hololive generation completely interlinked between each other, each one as part of a single storyline
>for the release of their new generation, management doubles down on this plotline thing. they release multiple trailers and lore videos, and they start world-building
>even before that, Cover started the Hololive Alternative project, in an attempt to put their main branch talents into a single universe, connecting their stories into a single plot
>but Cover doesn't give a shit about the lore of their characters
they definitely care, but they don't have a clue how to properly do it yet. the fact that Hololive Alternative was hyped so much, but to this day has advanced so little, is proof of that.

>> No.8630831

>>8630660
"See kouhai, this is your senpai doing overkill" EN2 is doomed if they don't tell these managers to fuck off.

>> No.8630870

>>8628126
>Americans carry a cultural cancer and will destroy anything they work on.

Fixed that for you.

>> No.8630883

>>8630657
This is just a fact, I actually refuse to believe that someone might think otherwise unless they're absolutely and fully retarded

>> No.8630967

>>8629856
Based chimkin

>> No.8631035

I suppose it's important to remind some that A-chan herself is not a manager. She doesn't manage any of the girls individually. She does work with management, and also has an avatar for showing up in hololive event streams.
So assuming this new dumb character is in a similar position, they will presumably make appearances on streams here and there.

>> No.8631116

>>8630685
If Omega does actually end up streaming and it is in fact a dude, I will be beyond disappointed. A male voice coming out of that design would be a massive waste. Some people have also speculated it would be voiced by several managers and that's why it's genderless. That would also be disappointing and I would lose interest completely.

>> No.8631157

all this whining just because of muh lore power creep. mental illness

>> No.8631200

>>8631116
Remember when Hololive was all girls?

>> No.8631266

>>8631157
I agree that that doesn't matter. Power level doesn't determine subscriber count or superchat earnings.
And it's not like they fight each other. It's just chuuni nonsense for girls that play getting over it and minecraft and thank people for tipping them for doing it.

>> No.8631334

>>8631116
lose interest... in what exactly? I don't think you're meant to be all that interested in staff

>> No.8631362

>>8631116
The way she writes Japanese is pretty feminine

>> No.8631446

>>8628009
The bitch in the op looks ugly as fuck

>> No.8631584

>>8631334
I just like the design and think it would be cool to see her stream. To reduce it to just a staff thing is a massive waste of resources imo.

>> No.8631716

the problem with the lore seems to be a basic misapprehension of why we like hololive's lore in the first place. it is generated by the girls and their audience organically. that way every girl actually fits her role and the audience enjoys being involved in the process. what they're doing now is top-down decisions by people that aren't even involved (though I'm sure they discuss character ideas with the talents, the talents themselves usually don't know how their character will evolve). it is like authoritarianism vs capitalism.

>> No.8631732
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8631732

I like how Haachama gave even less of a shit, and dedicated an entire stream to dabbing on Holo Council with mocking their concepts.

>> No.8631792

>>8631716
or in other words, I liken vtubers to "anime reality tv" and they're trying to script it, removing the "reality" part.

>> No.8631916

A fucking disgusting manager had to do it, they had to self insert themselves to be a literal god, this is so cringe, the no senpai shit is also obnoxious.

>> No.8632061

>>8631200
Remember when hololive girls were supposed to be single due to the whole idol industry standard?

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8632069

Fucking lame ass Omegle, kill yourself for ever taking the lore seriously. “Administrators” are not fucking cool, “can’t you apprehend?” Epsilon-Sigma-Lambda Manager.

>> No.8632162

>>8631732
And she was way way more enjoyable in here stream than all those debuts combined.
Herself alone is a better version of rh entirety of Gen 2, with the addition of a good manager that won't really do much unless they're absolutely forced to

>> No.8632286

>>8630442
It's not talent? It's a manager? Wtf.

>> No.8632375

>>8632286
Read, read and read.

>> No.8632376

>>8629102
It's not too uncommon for Austrian women, at least. Mountain Germans are more talkative than Germans from ex-Prussian (and Prussian-assimilated) territories, but not less blunt when they're pissed.

>> No.8632443

>>8628009
EN can crash and burn I don't give a shit. They can do whatever they want as long as they leave Holo JP alone

>> No.8632652

>>8628009
Look I didn't watch the post-debut group meeting thing as I couldn't handle the awkward cringe + I was tired by then.
Any give me a bare bones tl;dr on what everyone, including Kiara, is pissed off about?
I've gleaned in passing here and there off random posts since debut day that there's some kind of extra character DLC shit that was mentioned in all the recap lore snippets but that no body knows Wtf they are, who they are or what purpose they serve but it's looking like they're not an actual talent but most probably some kind of horribly cringe and faggy management self-insert? Am I right so far?
So did Klara call out this guy directly or just "the situation in general"?

>> No.8632698

>>8628009
>but they wouldn't go up against management because that's a retarded thing to do.
Why not? What are they going to do, fire them?

>> No.8632944

>>8632069
Cringe.

>> No.8632949

>>8632698
put em in the box like coco until they quit maybe

>> No.8633090

>>8628009
>Management thinks [company] is too big to fail at this point
This is usually the first sign of a debacle. I hope the girls or fans kick some humility in their heads, because this never ends well.

>> No.8633370

>>8630831
I'd have been at their throat the moment they said that. Like bitch its your job to get me permissions for shit I want to stream and if they still didn't I'd go behind their backs and get permissions myself by getting into contact with companies personally.

>> No.8633391

>>8628009
>EN management was a fucking mistake
We've known this all along, even if the rrats with Coco and Haachama and enma are false there's been tons of bad moves by holoEN. I'm glad we got a fun bunch of new girls but the lore shit is pushing them too far from being fun likeable streamers and making the entire branch feel like a bad westwrn copycat. I want it to stop but I'm afraid of holoEN imploding altogether and being left with nothing but nijien and vshojo

>> No.8633491

>>8630164
Whether or not you like western culture, the infection he speaks of is real.

>> No.8633523

>>8633370
To be fair:
1. Gura's approach WAS unprofessional, she piled on all the games she had any interest in playing. It was not a very planned business-like discussion, no reasoning like "this game is currently popular so it'll earn us money" but "this is probably gonna be fun for me".
2. Management's reply was kind of a joke, obviously. It was a joke at Gura's expense, but she can take it because obviously all of her kouhais would KILL to be like Gura.

You're makin' up rrats with this one.

>> No.8633560

>>8630534
Producer, not manager. They are (usually) different jobs with different roles.

>> No.8633706

>>8628009
I will NEVER abandon Kiara, Calli, Amelia and Ina! idk who Gura is, but it's nice of indies to be speaking up for their fellow vtubers I guess

>> No.8633731

>>8632652
Feels like its some chuuni manager (?) producer (?) who got in way over his head, he forbids holo council from calling people senpais (because gods don't call people senpais) and his OC is the god of gods or some shit, the lack of professionalism from Cover always amuses me, I can understand where Kiara is coming from, these managers (?) are cringe.

>> No.8633747

>>8628009
nice blog, i don't care, i'm not gonna watch your streams, use the rope

>> No.8633804

>>8633523
i don't see why expressing a desire to play a set of games and asking her manager to do something about it needs to be business-like at all. i don't know much about the idol industry but i highly doubt this is the sort of job that demands formal requests, pristine courtesy or anything other than sending a "i wanna play game" on discord. whatever "professionalism" you're thinking of is more on the manager to game company end.

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8633843

>>8632652
my rrats are too strong for you, traveler

>> No.8633876

>>8633804
and if she isn't professional why is management wrong to reply in the same way? it'd be autistic to do otherwise if you didn't have to. my point is he just made a joke about it. he'll probably do what she asked anyway.

>> No.8633935

>>8633523
The girls have mentioned before that getting permissions for games can takes a long while, that's why they try to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. Also, considering that some companies only give permissions for a certain period of time, it's better to have a backlog of games you're allowed to play than to wait last minute for a few games only to be declined.
What is really unprofessional is to take your talent's enthusiasm and will to diversify their content and show the newbies that that kind of behavior is to be ridiculed or made fun of. Even if it was a "joke", that sets a bad precedent. The bare fucking minimum those manager niggers have to do is get game permissions for the girls and that faggot was complaining? I would fucking fire them on the spot.

>> No.8633992

Ever since Hololive blew up, management has gone from a bunch of fucking suits that took money from the girls and didn't do anything to a bunch of fucking suits that take money from the girls and actively hinder them.

>> No.8634026

Hololive management are borderline subhuman in their incompetence and should be treated with contempt.

>> No.8634072

>>8630870
yup, Also brits

>>8628009
The Gura thing was fucking ridiculous. She should've gone harder on the issue. The whole "I'm a gamer" thing was weak on her part

>> No.8634075

>>8633747
thanks faggot
you're irrelevant so nobody gives a shit
please don't watch the streams, we don't need nigger like you around
please consider following your own advice
thanks for bumping the thread

>> No.8634113

>>8633992
They also make cringy self insert lore

>> No.8634139

>>8633523
Asking for a list of game permissions is unprofessional?

>> No.8634216

>>8628009
Based chimkin. I shall now watch the chicken until Yagoo forces her graduation.

>> No.8634251

>>8633992
>>8634026
These

>> No.8634256

>>8633935
Firing people in JP companies is very very hard, you're just acting tough on the internet with that remark. The first part does make sense, but she didn't just ask for 3-5 games it was like 10. Management may also consider the value of asking for only ONE streamer to play a game when they've got so many permissions already. They don't all play the same games for no reason, did you consider they might need to pay to get permissions?

>>8634139
The way she did it was. Have you never been employed?

>> No.8634303

>>8633523
Gura is exactly in a position to pile on game permission requests. I don't really care if she has fun games to play, but the permissions apply to all of hololive, so all of them get to check out some a silly fun game, instead of mixing up minecraft with a new chilia arts game occasionally.

>> No.8634309

>>8628515
I prefer those 'yes, ma'am' JP NPCs rather than these cancerous newbies. I hope one of the EN2 will pull a Lamy soon.

>> No.8634313

>>8633523
1-Gura was not unprofessional you are just retarded.
2- It wasn't a joke. The new guy is a random no-name, you don't make snarky jokes when you are a literal who that was just hired, specially not to gura. Imagine a newbie random making a snarky joke to Pekora, dude would be out of the door really quick

>> No.8634359

>>8633523
>Gura's approach WAS unprofessional
Holy fucking brain damage... How is asking for game perms because the managers are too fucking lazy to get off their asses unprofessional. They are new hires and Gura is literally speaking the face of the company.....

>> No.8634385

>>8634309
And make fun of janitors? They better not!

>> No.8634428

>>8634256
>Firing people in JP companies is very very hard
Idk that one guy fired all of Kyo-Ani over a train joke pretty easily.

>> No.8634433

>>8634256
>The way she did was. Have you never been employed
I'm from the valley faggot, some people go to the office in flip flops. She wasn't unprofessional you are obviously the manager. Hey manager, you are a big faggot, you know they are going to kick you out the door next time you do stupid shit right?

>> No.8634438

>>8634256
She works in entertainment as a top talent. She's requesting games from a goddamn middle manager. She doesn't need to give reasons why she wants to play these games. Playing games is like 95% of what these bitches do, complaining someone is asking you to get permissions so they can do their job is ridiculous.

>> No.8634561

>>8634026
JP management seems okay, but the retards who mocked Gura for no reason and came up with so much shitty lore need to be taken out behind the woodshed before their narcissism fucks over the entire company.

>> No.8634611

>>8633391
I think the lore for the council girls won't be too much of an issue in the end and likely becomes a footnote they'll reference sometimes or build around in Minecraft. It's when staff insert themselves into the lore that it looks excessive and forced.

>> No.8634729

>>8634438

Also, THE quickest way to stagnate and burn out as a content creator is being stuck playing the same fucking game even if you are burned out.

See: All the WoW streamers having autistic breakdowns because hey, turns out that playing the same fucking game for over a decade is insane.

So, is on the interest of not just Gura, but ALL the other Holo talents, that management moves their asses and gets as many games as possible, specially since people from the big companies are always going to be behind trends for having to play the permissions game. So fucking what if Gura only plays X indie game once, is available for any other talent that wants it

>> No.8634865

>>8634611
>It's when staff insert themselves into the lore that it looks excessive and forced.
Nah it was way too forced before that with all the gay videos and stuff and that we know they have to stay in character now.

The management self insert as god was just over the top.

>> No.8634887

>>8634428
Kek.
>>8634433
Yeah, the valley. The place that is getting sued for overly lax working conditions that result in the harassment of women and drunk parties in the office. Very representative of the average workplace, especially Japanese ones. RIP Blizzard.
>>8634438
Can you picture the scenario? She described it well. She just started talking about the games she wants to play, as if talking to a friend. He joked that she was asking too much. As the top talent and also a comedian she should be able to take a joke - and she can, she told the story to entertain viewers not expose hololive as a black company.

>> No.8634899

>>8634729
The fucked up thing is most publishers don't have any problem with their games streaming it. They just don't waste time giving out individual permissions. And Cover insists on having direct permission, even if a company publicly green lights streamers to play their game.

>> No.8634906

>>8634729
Meh, weak argument.
What about all the variety streamers that lose their minds. What about all the Let's play youtubers that lose their minds? What about all those people that only play csgo that don't lose their minds? What about all those people that only play dota that don't lose their minds? It depends on the person. Sure you can argue Gura is the type that needs diferrent games, but you didn't argue that

I'm on your side, if Gura wants more games to play, the management needs to shut the fuck up and get her the fucking games. But your argument was meh

>> No.8634922

>>8628009
Another Kiara thread....

>> No.8634947

>>8628009
/hlg is right

>> No.8635045

>>8634906
>What about all those people that only play dota that don't lose their minds?
This is literally me. I've played 5-10 games each for 5-10 years.

>> No.8635114

>>8634887
>As the top talent and also a comedian she should be able to take a joke
You say as you take her joking about the situation extremely literally. Just because she was listing off games as she remembered them doesn't mean it was some stream of consciousness in the chat.
>expose Hololive as a black company
Don't be stupid. Nobody is saying Gura was trying to expose Hololive, Cover has already made themselves look like dogshit. Is it hard to understand why people would be sensitive to a manager poking fun at permissions nonsense when they've had to watch the talents wait ages to be able to play games?

>> No.8635196

>>8628009
I normally dislike rrat threads but in this instance I have to agree: What the fuck kind of direction is the new EN management taking all this?

>> No.8635333

>>8634899

Besides the big CAPCOM apocalypse, we live on a world when one of the big companies had the same issue with a fucking mod creator. So yes, it is neccesary to get written permission, and no, devs saying that is cool on Twitter doesn't count since they aren't the legal teams of the companies.

It sucks major ass, but it is what it is.

>> No.8635410

>>8635114
>>8634729
>>8634438
>>8634359
maybe if gura wasnt such an annoying sour bitch she would get more permissions all she ever does is whine

>> No.8635499

>>8629856
t. Cover shill

>> No.8635535

>>8635410
Why are KFPs like this?

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>>8635410
Shooting off a tweet at the devs or just reading their TOS which would most definitely include blanket permission to stream their games is too hard.

>> No.8635660

>>8634906
Not him but different strokes, obviously. Gura is the type of person who needs a bunch of different games to pick up and drop or she gets bored.

>> No.8635696

>>8635410
kill yourself, jenma

>> No.8635814

>>8633876
>and if she isn't professional why is management wrong to reply in the same way? it'd be autistic to do otherwise if you didn't have to. my point is he just made a joke about it. he'll probably do what she asked anyway.
Because Gura's the talent. The manager works for her not the other way around.

>> No.8635885

>>8628009
>all this amount of greentext and not a single link given
your meds, op

>> No.8635961

>>8635589

Tweets at devs don't count because there has been multiple cases of devs saying something and then legal teams telling them to shut the fuck up.

Same as blanket permissions.

This is not me wanting to be mean, or a Cover shill or whatever. These are actual things that happened, which means that yes, written permissions for each game company even if they are indie devs is neccesary.

>> No.8636148

>>8635961
Literally not a concern for or shown by anyone except Japanese companies that have been abused by their own domestic copyright trolling business environment. Bet you VShojo has requested precisely zero permissions.

>> No.8636174

>>8634887
>Yeah the valley.
You are mad people make money. And that we ridicule women hired solely on gender quotas. If meritocracy existed there would be no women there. So there would be no harassment.

>> No.8636196

>>8635114
>You say as you take her joking about the situation extremely literally. Just because she was listing off games as she remembered them doesn't mean it was some stream of consciousness in the chat.
That's a slippery slope, then why take what she says the manager said literally? Maybe he didn't say "overkill" at all. Maybe...

>Don't be stupid. Nobody is saying Gura was trying to expose Hololive, Cover has already made themselves look like dogshit.
It certainly has, and that leads people into confirmation bias. I'm just saying this event is not a piece of the puzzle to why hololive is dogshit.
>Is it hard to understand why people would be sensitive to a manager poking fun at permissions nonsense when they've had to watch the talents wait ages to be able to play games?
This manager didn't make up these permission rules, its a hassle for him as it is for everyone involved. Also, it is myopic to think that all they need to do is get permissions. Their job involves a lot of administrative work, filling out charts and shit, talking to JP about plans etc... It is understandable that they don't want to work more than they need to, nobody wants that.

Also yes, management types can be total pricks and go on power trips. I just don't think they do it this way. I guess it's a bit of power-harass move to insult people infront of other co-workers, but usually they swing their dicks in private convos.

>> No.8636211

>>8634359
Gura gets permissions, plays the game awfully once, drops it and moves on. Usually management bugs me but I think they were in the right this time.

>> No.8636263

>>8636174
>works in sillicon valley
>brags in schizobait threads on 4chan
Checks out

>> No.8636311

>>8636211
So Gura does her job? That's what you are complaining about? That she does her job. These retards should be asking for game premissions without being told. Whenever Gura asks for something they should already have the permissions. Gura is good at her job, they are bad at their job

>> No.8636321

>>8635814
No, they are both employed by the company. Gura is not paying his/her salary. You sound like a communist, implying "the person doing the work" should be in charge. Sorry, but the person risking his invested money (Yagoo) gets to be in charge.

>> No.8636410

>>8636263
You are just mad us latinos are taking over everything. Stay mad. Also if you think everything from the Valley is this ultra trillion dolalr company then you are just brain damaged

>> No.8636431

I like to believe the shill here is playing devil's advocate for discussion and isn't seriously defending Cover.

>> No.8636513

>>8636174
>You are mad people make money.
Who are you quoting? More money is better money.
>And that we ridicule women hired solely on gender quotas.
We're on 4chan so you're probably not a male feminist, but those are the types that both advocate for gender quotas and then go and harass those women. The sneaky fuckers as biologists call them.
> If meritocracy existed there would be no women there.
There'd be a few and they'd be ugly.
> So there would be no harassment.
There'd still be male on male harassment but nobody cares about that.

>> No.8636534

>>8628338
I like Japanese songs. But it's silly when EN branches don't sing EN songs, there's even plenty of vocaloid songs / japanese songs with heavy English lyrics they could use.

This is multifold.
1 it's the English branch so naturally they should sing in English too.
2. It gives us more song variety and not just king 100 times.
3. The EN girls suck at singing japanese most the time. They're just copying sounds without understand the lyrics or emotions behind a song and usually fuck up pronunciation too.

>> No.8636569

>>8636321
They literally workd for gura. The EN managers are disposable no name randoms. They workd for Gura. You are confusing the term management and manager. It's not your fault, it's cover's fault. But the EN managers, aren't part of management, they aren't higher up of the company, they are very low level people, they aren't A-chan, an actual big deal. A-chan is part of management, but she isn't a manager. She explained it herself. They fucked up the words and you are confused by it

>> No.8636834

>>8636431
Holy reading comprehension, yes. I am not saying the manager did good, he would've done 1000% better by saying "m'am, yes m'am", but what he did say isn't really a big deal either. Gura never said he didn't go and get her those permissions, just that he whined about it to the other girls.

>> No.8636841

>a lazy, depressed, apathetic shark doesnt do shit every other week
>forced to meet streaming requirements so compiles a list of games she has vague interest in
>throws em all in mangements face
>they have to scramble for permissions knowing full well 95% of those games on the list either wont be playedor dropped in the 1 hr minimum streams
>shark will then go back into lazy, alcoholic mode

wowee, i wonder why management made a lil jab at goomba

>> No.8636953

>>8634309
Yes, it’s very obvious that You Will Never Be Japanese.

>> No.8636963

>>8636841
>scramble for permissions
Yeah sending a bunch of emails is so much work.

>> No.8637070

>>8635885
why don't you watch the streams?

>>8636534
I don't get why you people don't understand that getting permissions for western music is completely out of the question. Cover would have to pay multiple fortunes to record houses and copyright owners for their EN speaking talents to do karaokes every now and again. It's not worth it. They already have permissions for a handful of songs their talents, regardless of branch, can use publicly on streams, so they settle for that and make the talents do as well. Hell, the IDs have to do acapella streams because using copyrighted background music would cost them an amount per track, it's insane. Cover doesn't consider EN or ID a priority, so they are not willing to spend more than absolutely necessary on them. It's simply not worth the "investment".

>> No.8637104

>>8636148

So, companies like Cover (Holo) and ANYCOLOR (Niji). Your first argument is "but is fucking retarded". Being fucking retarded doesn't change facts anon, I'm not saying that is good, I'm saying that those are the facts.

On VShojo, VShojo is a much different company. VShojo is an agreement between individual streamers, with their own brands, that keep all their Twitch money, and handle their own shit, to connect sponsors with VTubers and sell merch. The streamers aren't VShojo employees, they are business partners with VShojo.

>> No.8637139

>>8628338
If anything they are gearing for more english songs as evident with Kiara's song and the teased ones by Kronii and Mumei.

>> No.8637154

>>8636569
Whether they're middle-management or glorified secretaries they still don't work FOR the talents they work for the company. They work WITH the talents. You're the one mistaking support for subordination.

>> No.8637159

>>8636841
>dick-riding literal who, newfag managers
cringe

>> No.8637178

>>8636410
I can excuse you being a spic but I draw the line at actually liking SV.

>> No.8637252

>>8636311
>>8636569
Guraschizos are pretty funny, ngl.

>> No.8637318

>>8634313
Gura's ''importance'' is overestimated too much, no matter what you think, if she did have any real weight in the company she would've gotten a 3D by now, she's just a cashcow and her input on anything doesn't mean shit.

>> No.8637413

>>8634438
>She doesn't need to give reasons why she wants to play these games
I didn't know you had info on Cover's standard procedure, please do show some proof of this claim or fuck off. You oviously don't know a goddamn thing about what you are talking about.

>> No.8637467

>>8637154
They are secretaries, they work for the company just like Gura. But Gura is way above them in the food chain, they are BELLOW her

>>8637252
It doesn't have anything to do with Gura. It would be the exact same with Iofi or Anya. These people think they are important because cover decided to call their job "manager" but they aren't management, they are secretaries. That's it. They are the lowest people in the company but have these delusions just because of the word "manager"

>> No.8637499

>>8637159
I fucking most of EN, especially management. but not seeing how gura is insufferable to work with is fucking retarded

>> No.8637522

the girls do nothing but play video games. asking for permissions should be one of the manager's main focuses

>> No.8637534

>>8634313
1. Ok.
2. It depends on the mood, and he's a no-name to us but we don't know how much time he spent with the rest. He could've been joking around with the kouhais and then just carried it on with Gura, so even if he wasn't already friendly with Gura and she got mildly offended by it, it would be an understandable faux pas.
>>8637318
>>8637252
True, I am the devil's (manager's) advocate but I'm also a chumbuddy. I fucking love Gura, I'd eat her shit, but I wouldn't pretend it was chocolate. She lacks discipline and professionalism, that is fact.

>> No.8637536

>>8637178
I like money and asian whores. AKA the valley.

>> No.8637537

>>8634433
>I'm from the valley
What a way to automatically invlidate your opinion, your ''disruptive tech'' spiel is gonna crash and burn like all the rest. Pathetic.

>> No.8637538

>>8628126
This but unironically I bet their management are catty middle aged women why the fuck is management so bad in western countries.

>> No.8637613

>>8630870
>>8634072
And Germans and Swedes oh hey that's the west at large.

>> No.8637770

>>8637318
Hey subhuman, you know the first generation of IDs are waiting to premiere their 3D models once they are able to go to Japan, right? You also know that talents get 3D models per generation, so Gura would have to wait til the entirety of Myth gets their models for them to announce them, right? You also know that, due to the pandemic, it has been impossible for overseas talents to visit the Cover offices, and that it's mandatory for talents to do 3D recordings in said office, right?
Even if the models were ready, Cover is too retarded and stubborn to allow the girls to stream using their own VR sets at home.
If you're not falseflagging then you are a retarded, underage nigger and you should go back to whatever shithole you crawled from, and refrain from displaying how braindead and clueless you are.

>> No.8637775

>>8637534
2- Dude is a new secretary, he isn't allowed to talk the first few months. He's obviously delusional. The only thing Gura did poorly was that she didn't go hard enough. Imagine if this shit happened to Marine, dude would be jobless real quick.

>>8637318
It would be the exact situation even if it was Mel or Choco. These people are secretaries but they think they are hot shit

>> No.8637790

>>8637534
hes a faggot to me

>> No.8637834

>>8628009
Who’s the ugly whore in the OP bitch wants to be in Hololive so bad “give me fanart for being le funny manager I’m so quirky xD”

>> No.8637877

>>8628603
Isn't Callie writing the lyrics (or at the least the english ones) for Mumei's song?

>> No.8637936

>>8637613
Germans and Swedes are 50/50 for me

>> No.8637986

>>8637775
>2- Dude is a new secretary, he isn't allowed to talk the first few months
I don't remember Gura mentioning this, but again, clearly he was "teaching" GEN2 so he's at least as old as them, or has it in his head that he can "talk" to them. When someone else joins the conversation like Gura, and I'm repeating myself now, it is understandable that he forgets his place and acts friendly with her as well. That's all assuming he is so new and subordinate to older talents as you all say.

>> No.8637993

>>8628009
Your post makes Gura way more based than the chicken.

>> No.8638021

>>8637986
nah, he's an asshole

>> No.8638166

>>8637986
the fuck is he going to teach ? Dude is literally brand new. He literally doesn't fucking know anything. He thinks he is a big deal so much he's teaching stuff about the company he just joined as a secretary, seriously man you don't see how crazy that is? His entire job is send emails to companies, check schedules of other members, and send emails for people to make some shit on Ps. That's it. That's why at the beggining the managers were 16, because they are just braindead secretaries

>> No.8638345

>>8630164
I blame Amerifaggots for infecting my country with trans bullshit propaganda, destroying the lives of people in our society. I hope you guys get nuked.

>> No.8638366

>>8637770
>>8637775
>>8638166
You chumpaedos are reaching a new level of schizo, I tell you. But whatever, shit is not gonna change no matter how much you cry on this thread, you dumb sharkie is gonna gonna play nothing but minecraft and you will still lap it up like good little paypigs so why are you complaining?

>> No.8638384

>>8638021
Ok. He still has a point, though. EN2 should not take Gura's behavior as a good example of how to approach asking for game permissions.

1. Because it is just bad and selfish, she's not asking for the most profitable games to stream, she's not even looking at what companies made those games, she just wants to have fun (which is good, when she has fun we the viewers have fun and give her money, but it is not the full picture).
2. They are not Gura and they should not expect the same treatment, assuming what you guys say about her being the top talent is worth special treatment then that also assumes the rest don't get to act like her.

I was the top earner in my previous company and I could ask for a completely flexible schedule. Why? Because I always provided good reasons for it, not just I don't feel like working, and often worked more than needed. Then a friend of mine got hired and he thought he could pull the same shit as me and had to be scolded by our glorified secretaries. If someone told him this in advance maybe he would've avoided making this mistake.

>> No.8638428

>>8638366
Why would I want her to change dumbass? I just don't like when people don't know their place lmfao

>> No.8638486

>>8638428
So, you want EN2 to know their place, too? Then manager did nothing wrong.

>> No.8638739

>>8637536
Fellow Latino here, I also like money and Asian whores, idk maybe hook me up with a job there?

>> No.8638835

>>8638384
Ok. He's still an asswipe, though.

>> No.8638868

>Because it is just bad and selfish, she's not asking for the most profitable games to stream, she's not even looking at what companies made those games, she just wants to have fun
God this is one of the most braindead retarded things I've read today please stop posting.

>> No.8638931

>>8633523
Are you retarded? Management constantly fails to get permissions, or takes months to get them. Gura can't buy and playtest every game and write a review on them for the faggot managers. She has to request a huge list, wait to see what permissions she can get, and then start buying and testing those games.
And the other girls use many of the permissions she gets, so it benefits the whole company.
New managers are lazy pieces of shit who think working for Hololive is just a game where they get to chat up the talents and make their retarded jokes. They should be fired.

>> No.8639059

Hello new EN Managers, it's clear that you're here trying to defend your stupidity and braindead behaviour. Get fucked. All of you.

>> No.8639325

>>8629856
People to this day still believe Kiara being jealous over Moona was a joke. When you watch her chatting stream after Moona trended she was actually pissed and whining about Moona getting attention.

>> No.8639547

>>8639059
Almost all of the posts were mine and I'm a self-employed chumbuddy.
>Get fucked.
Are you offering?

>>8638931
>Are you retarded?
I don't think so.
>Management constantly fails to get permissions, or takes months to get them.
And maybe this means the process on the management side is not so simple? You are just assuming that "spray and pray" is a good strategy.
>Gura can't buy and playtest every game and write a review on them for the faggot managers.
She can watch other streamers and hop on bandwagons, she can type the name of the game in wikipedia and try to remember if they already have permissions for another game from that company. She buys the games for herself anyway though, she said she bought Chivalry and some others. She's only looking to combine business and pleasure, not do effective business specifically.
>She has to request a huge list, wait to see what permissions she can get, and then start buying and testing those games.
No, she doesn't have to. You just think she should. And again, she buys and tests them regardless, too. In her defense, you could say it makes sense to only buy and test the games you think you will enjoy playing so it's not wasted money.

>> No.8639701

>>8638739
kek. Ok so I went into Electrical Eng. It has way less competition, and way less asians and indians than any software eng. Meaning you need to compete with whites, so these Valley companies will actively try to look for non-whites, That's you. The pay is a bit less than software people but as I said you compete vs way less people. Another thing you need to actually have a Latino last name, my entire name is latino, that's ideal. And in your resume your picture needs to look as latino as possible, literally tan for a few weeks

Something I did to not make my family bankrupt was take my degree in mexico. It was so much fucking cheaper, and again less competition than in the US. But I have duel citizenship (Yeah I did the national exams in both the US and Mexico, yeah you can do that, yeah it's a pain in the ass, but I wanted options). Got into monterrey so I went there.
If you don't want these jobs, you can always get work that isn't so specific. There is always construction/catering/food/security stuff going on, and some pay really well. asian hoes here are giga hoes. I'm talking gangbang every weekend type of hoes.
About me hooking you up, you would have to have a Electrical Eng degree, otherwise I don't have connections

>> No.8639756

>>8639059
Yeah I'll post again just to remind management: your position in Hololive is irrelevant despite what you would think. You're in charge of taking care of the talents whims, and as such you're easily replaced.
Now be a good wagie or this board will make sure you're put in place.

>> No.8639918

>>8639756
>or this board will make sure you're put in place.
This is what it means to go even further beyond schizo. Again, I'm not a manager, I'm just bored chumbuddy that likes to argue.

>> No.8640097

>>8639918
I'm just shitposting but all complains that end up on reddit always start here. Sure nobody cares about this shithole but some schizos here are pretty loud.

>> No.8640144

>>8632286
I am pretty sure that is still unknown. Only thing we know is that whoever they are, they're a music producer.

>> No.8640493

I still think forcing a lore on them is a bad thing. Instead let them create there lore if they are interested and help them to support the lore

>> No.8640494

>>8633523
you literally could not be more retarded, this has to be bait

>> No.8640534
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>>8628009
I remember Gura said during her audition she was asked if she knew what SCP was to which she denied. Now she's asking to play SCP and she's being ridiculed by management. What did they mean by this?

>> No.8640602

>>8640494
You literally did not make an argument, you have to be retarded.

>> No.8640617

>>8630361
>less important than plot in a porno
How do I know you don't belong here?

>> No.8640751

>>8640144
Check A-chans tweets.

>> No.8640900

Where was it stated that HoloCouncil's lore was invented by management?

>> No.8641484

>>8629856
You can think the lore stuff is goofy and poke fun at it without writing a seething essay about it.

>> No.8641762

>>8640900
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7VGI7x9F0s&t=4022s

>> No.8642276

>>8641762
Thanks senpai.

>> No.8642512

>>8641762
>dum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7VGI7x9F0s&t=3435s

>> No.8643033

>>8628126
t. Westerner

>> No.8643474

>>8640534
Why was she asked if she knew that?

>> No.8643822

holo en is just becoming like a western anime con or circle with some cringy cosplay shows. it was inevitable. at least its not woke for now. so still passable.

>> No.8643845

>>8628126
>Brought western staff
>Cover
Big fucking doubt.

>> No.8643885

it's not employer and employee
it's a talent agency and talents

>> No.8644033

>>8630361
>"Lore" in Vtubers is literally less important than plot in a porno.
That's what John Romero said about plot in vidya too, and yet here we are.

>> No.8644046

>>8643845
Isn't HoloEN run by a bunch of americans?

>> No.8644133

>>8644046
no wonder it's so fucking mismanaged
amerimutts, lmao

>> No.8644191

>>8628126
>japanese company find success making japanese style content
>start hiring western staff
can't wait for hololiveCALIFORNIA

>> No.8644290

>>8633523
This is why holostars EN will never be a thing. Not because everyone would be a goober trying to get after their oshi, but because western dudes would not put up with the fagatronic incompetence of Cover's management.

>> No.8644363

>>8644046
amerimutts tend to get into lores and its circlejerking for some reason. idk why. every mutt "community" is like that and has a autistic platform to talk about it, from videogames to films to comics. like starwars, capeshit, rpg stuff, etc

>> No.8644518

>>8644046
I'm not sure but i got the impression that Enma, Jenma and J-Chad are japanese

>> No.8644573

>>8644363
western internet retards and 'artistic' types are way different from the soulless management fag that we'd expect to be Gura's secretary. it's probably some white guy with an MBA that jacks off in front of a mirror, American Psycho style.

>> No.8644692

>>8630097
Yeah, didn't laugh as hard as Calli when she started ranting but I stil thought it was great.

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>>8628009
>one of those retards complained that Gura was asking for "too many game permissions"

That shit pissed me right off so much i had to pause the game i was playing just to take in what i just heard, how did that one manager didnt lose their job on the spot?

>> No.8644923

>>8644363
Well the other topic died down but I'm still here so...

Lore in itself is great and yes it is very popular/increases and maintains popularity for a show/whatever. What seems to be the problem right now is Cover is making lore top-down by management and trying to fit talents into it. Instead, how things have gone until now, talents just do whatever and the lore is created organically as they interact with the audience and evolve their characters. That way every girl's character fit her personality and the audience feels good about participating.

We all love lore too, you can't deny it. You know what a rrat is? Fanfiction that is sometimes but not necessarily "canon". This is exactly a part of that co-creation process that worked so well for JP and EN1. It is a good idea from cover to divert us from looking for lore in doxxing, but they can't just dictate the lore authoritatively either. Both the talents and us the audience needs to have a say for it to work out. That, or at least non-ESL chuuni writing.

>> No.8645119

>>8638384
>1.
it's absolutely not her responsibility as the talent to do this research. management does that. Gura is the revenue center and they should assist them in these basic business requests, not bullshit and bitch about it

>> No.8645402

>>8634256
How the fuck would you even know how she asked? You're a fat fucking retarded neckbearded delusional mongoloid schizo parasocially shackled moron. You should get AIDS and die a slow horrible death while being raped over and over by other fat ugly bastards until your innards burst from the cum pumped into you and maggots start to infest your flesh.

Ceterum autem censeo Carthaginem esse delendam

>> No.8645532

>>8645402
as much as I agree with you that he doesn't know how she asked.
Shouldn't you be in algerbra?

>> No.8645545

>>8645119
>it's absolutely not her responsibility as the talent to do this research. management does that
Absolutely true. Doesn't mean she can't go the extra step and do it even if it isn't her responsibility. It is also the manager's responsibility to do as she says, and as I said I assume he will ask for those permissions, but it is not his responsibility to like it and keep silent. He can bitch about it, in certain contexts, as this one appears to be to me.
>Gura is the revenue center and they should assist them in these basic business requests,
This revenue center is again a misconception of capitalism. You can't just look at the first few steps and think that is all that matters. It is true you need a product in the first place, but for an example marketing can often exponentially increase revenue. In fact marketing is the biggest benefit of being a corpo vtuber specifically, but this also applies to other parts of the company like administration and such. Another example is getting sued and losing a lot of money if you don't have your legal team doing their job. Everyone is just a cog in the machine.

>> No.8645585

>>8645402
I went by how she described the situation, because I actually watch Gura's streams, schizo-san.

>> No.8645631

>>8628009
>Management wanted Myth to avoid calling Council their kouhais because it wouldn't make any fucking sense for literal gods to address a bunch of creatures as senpai.
This is possibly one of the dumbest things, assuming it's not blown completely out of proportion. How do you work in that kind of industry and not see the potential in playing with that inversion? Recent stuff like Dragon Maid is practically built on the idea, and Journey to the West is all about the (relatively) mortal priest figure taking authority over three demigods; meanwhile western media going back literally millennia is infused with themes like the astute Zanni of commedia dell'arte.
Even on a basic level there's a cute angle you can take with the superpowerful gods being less familiar with the mortal world as a result of their distance and thus needing guidance and help to navigate their new environment.

>> No.8645633

>>8643474
She doesnt know either. Doesnt seem like it ever came up.

>> No.8645659

This is a seanigs containment thread

>> No.8645889

>>8645659
This is literally the american thread

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>new management fucks things up for everyone for ever

Story as old as management itself, wouldnt surprise me if they end up butting heads with the girls and ends up in the same situation as Coco.

>> No.8646076

>>8644046
>>8644518
literally how fucking new?

>>8645402
based
>>8645585
cringe

>> No.8646081

>>8635961
>blanket permissions
Devolver has the best approach to this. They even have a button that generates personalized legal documents saying that you can stream them.
https://canipostandmonetizevideosofdevolvergames.com/

>> No.8646119

>>8645659
That's exactly what you are here, simian scum

>> No.8646676

>>8628009
>management was a fucking mistake
fixed

>> No.8646773

>>8632286
>>8640144
https://twitter.com/achan_UGA/status/1429685301639671808?s=20
He is A-chan's equivalent (likely also the lore writer as hinted by kiara)

>> No.8646884

>>8638384
>but it is not the full picture
It absolutely is the full picture. Streamers have to have fresh content. It's as basic as wood to carpenters. That anyone in management thinks making sure they always have enough is annoying is some high-level retardation. That they even have to make requests is retardation.

Carpenters Inc. Management Division
>Wood wood wood they're always asking for more wood.
>Logs?! Why can't they just use planks!
>They want LONGER nails!?
>I can't believe this, they want screws. We already have four types of nails!
>Welcome new carpenters. We here in management take care of your requests. Just please, do not make requests for more wood, our current carpenters keep bothering us with this question and we're sick of it.

>> No.8646983

>>8628009
>>Despite Myth's existence for almost a year, we still don't know their lore and all their character's qualities and backstories have been completely fabricated and not confirmed in any official matter (Amelia decided to attribute herself time travelling powers despite being a mere mortal who, according to the lore, is investigating mythological creatures)
>>Management wanted Myth to avoid calling Council their kouhais because it wouldn't make any fucking sense for literal gods to address a bunch of creatures as senpai.
Nobody cares about the fucking lore.
>>Management thinks HoloEN is too big to fail at this point, so they are willing to push their main cast aside to promote their new chuuni branch and lore, even when these girls became internet sensations and the face of western vtubing in just a few months after their debuts.
Says who?
> They are so delusional that they even announced Council related merch during their debut collab, which clearly sends the message that Cover is expecting Council to be as successful and influential as Myth is.
That's fair.
>>Gura said that Cover hired a bunch of new EN managers for the new branch and one of those retards complained that Gura was asking for "too many game permissions", which prompted her to ridicule that faggot while on stream.
Yeah that one sucked hard.

Two good points, two fucking retarded ones.
Good enough I guess.

>> No.8647043

Americans were a mistake

>> No.8647306

>>8633523
Anon, management’s job is to serve the talent. If they take this attitude, we should start calling them leeches not managers.

>> No.8647494

>>8646081
lol, that's pretty good. Does anyone else have something like that? It feels like the kind of thing New Blood would do, at least.

>> No.8647507

>>8632376
South Germans are fucking awesome people.

>> No.8647530

>>8628009
>>8646983

Gura also said yesterday in her stream that one of the managers told the new branch that Gura is a great model for all the variety of games she plays. *shrugs*

Like anything in life, there's ups and downs. That EN manager wanted to make a stupid joke and Gura took it personally. Just like how she thought she was getting called out by Kiara for not reading SCs a long time ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr-wdkOQw0c.. And Kiara and Gura are still great friends.

>> No.8647570

>>8647530
>*shrugs*
You have to go back.

>> No.8647598

>>8646983
>Nobody cares about the fucking lore.
Says you, nigger. Your opinion means the same as a literal piece of shit to me.
>Says who?
I do, faggot. You're clearly too braindead to understand the whole situation.
>Two good points, two fucking retarded ones.
Thanks. Your post only had retarded points though.
Kill yourself.

>> No.8647650

>>8647530
>*shrugs*
christ

>> No.8647796

>>8646081
I like that if you keep refreshing, the message gets increasingly tetchy with you

>> No.8647852

>>8647530
>Gura is a great model for all the variety of games she plays

lmao

she only plays western trash. the new managers or something have a fucking shit taste in games.

>> No.8647965

>>8647852
What matters here is variety.
Also only weebs immediately think jap games are superior

>> No.8647970

>>8647852
>the new managers or something have a fucking shit taste
No that's just Gura.

>> No.8647972

>>8647598
Absolutely malding.
Good job KFP.
I said absolutely nothing bad about your oshi and you still managed to explode in blind rage.
Why do you think you're still the most trolled fanbase on here?
It's not like most people here actually mind Kiara that much. I know I don't. But you just go absolu-fucking-lutely ballistic at even the slightest no matter how indirect criticism and decide to fill everything with your BS.

Don't bother replying I'm un-watching this thread after this post.
What an utterly horrid display.
You're almost as awful as SEAnigger doxfaggots.

>> No.8648164

>>8637252
> standing up for management in any company ever

>> No.8648257

>>8647972
Did I hurt your feelings?
I love how you just outed yourself as an absolute retard. I fucking hate the chicken, and I despise KFP fags as much as the next guy. You literally being unable to read the fucking title and content of the thread just goes to show how pathetic you are, coming into threads and acting like you have something of value to add to the discussion despite being a clueless faggot.
Run away, little bitch. I hope you really don't reply to this post and continue to embarrass yourself even more.

>> No.8648500

I am sorry, but once some self important retard blasmphemizes himself into being “god”, i hope that this shit blows up in their faces. I unironically wish the inquistion was back so this moron could burn.

>> No.8648713

>>8633523
She's been doing this for almost a year, she wouldn't complain about it on stream if the manager wasn't being a faggot.

>> No.8648722

>>8646884
>It absolutely is the full picture. Streamers have to have fresh content. It's as basic as wood to carpenters. That anyone in management thinks making sure they always have enough is annoying is some high-level retardation. That they even have to make requests is retardation.

1. No, streamers don't necessarily have to have fresh content. It depends from streamer to streamer, some play the same game forever (and like it). Minecraft can be milked for years to come. You also conflated "fresh content" and "new games". You can do fresh stuff with the same games, or stuff completely unrelated to games like Ame's zoology review or Sana's astrology bullshit.
2. Of course management knows they need to keep getting them new games but they can't just get ALL games. There are more games that exist than there are hololive streamers to play them, they need to have some selection process. That is mainly going to be companies they've already worked with, especially japanese companies, popular games that other streamers are playing, sponsored content, etc. Gura asked for games that are completely out of left-field. Some are pretty old too. They can't read her mind, so obviously she needs to make a request for them.

>> No.8648801

>>8628009
>Despite Myth's existence for almost a year, we still don't know their lore and all their character's qualities and backstories have been completely fabricated and not confirmed in any official matter (Amelia decided to attribute herself time travelling powers despite being a mere mortal who, according to the lore, is investigating mythological creatures)
And does anyone really give a fuck about this? No.

>> No.8648836

>>8628009
who honestly cares about this shittily written lore?

>> No.8648859

>>8648722
>streamers don't necessarily have to have fresh content
Ironically management actually kills off some fresh content because risk and other reasons.

>> No.8648960

>>8647306
Not exactly to serve, but to support. They're not slaves or maids they don't do it for free like jannies, they're there to help. Anyway, it is understandable if one talent asks X from them and another asks X3 they will get pissed, even though both are in their job description and even if the 1st one asked too little not the 2nd asking too much, it is understandable. Most people are gonna be wary of being taken advantage of, even when it is really happening.

>> No.8648972

>>8647796
It says no at one point.
I can imagine someone at Cover having an aneurysm over it.

>> No.8649126

>>8648836
Only the management have ever wondered aloud, “what is the Hololive manager’s backstory?”. That is the stupidest fucking idea, who would ever expect something this stupid and cringe inducing. Just to add some obnoxious character you can hide behind and force HoloEN to have undeserved reverence for? Fuck your cube, fuck you sphere, fuck your eunuch assistant to the regional manager. You fucked up, this is the worst possible direction.

>> No.8649186

>>8648713
Yeah, probably 1st time with this guy. Again, best case scenario he should've said "m'am, yes m'am" but it is understandable he gets pissed at having to do more work. Also, again, even if Gura is doing these things that way, his statement was framed as telling EN2 to not do the same thing. Which makes me very confused about:
>>8647530
>Gura also said yesterday in her stream that one of the managers told the new branch that Gura is a great model for all the variety of games she plays. *shrugs*

Maybe I missed it, I fell asleep near the end of the last stream, was it in the superchat portion?
But yeah, I agree with what you ended with. Just a little argument, Gura is neurotic so she remembers small negative things that happen and obsesses about them excessively. I do too. It will pass.

>> No.8649347

>>8648836
Nobody cares because it is shittily written. Everyone cares about organically grown memes that are considered lore in retrospect.

>> No.8649466

>>8637318
> overestimated
Nothing would really happen to the company if one shitty manager is offed.
If gura is offed, they lose a lot more

>> No.8649577

>>8649126
>>8649347
i literally had to mute the lore vids every debut stream because they were worse than reading fucking light novels

>> No.8649593

most of the takes on this board are pure dog shit but i hope holo management looks at it and considers that maybe they are in the wrong

but who the fuck listens to stupid 4channers amirite

>> No.8649631

>>8648722
>No, streamers don't necessarily have to have fresh content.
There's a large chunk of the audience that has no interest in seeing the same game over and over again. Forcing them into this by being difficult with requests is a terrible move.
>but they can't just get ALL games
They could and should be automatically getting permissions for every major release in the last decade.
>they need to have some selection process
They don't. Hammer those emails out. 500 templated emails and they've covered permissions for almost all relevant games in existence. A single employee would cover that in a month.

>> No.8649705

>>8649631
>They could and should be automatically getting permissions for every major release in the last decade.
The law works very slowly

>> No.8649707

>>8647530
New manager mocked her permissions request. Old manager tried to smooth things over by complimenting her.
From the rare instances Gura talks about them, she apparently gets along with one woman from management and does her best to ghost the rest.

>> No.8649720

>>8649466
It is not so simple. Yes, but:
1. Gura is replaceable too. She is more valuable, or less replaceable, but not irreplaceable. Coco was earning more than her and she's gone so I'm not just theorizing.
2. You can't set such a precedent, especially in a company like Cover that cares very much about PR. We all know these girls are not actually so friendly with eachother but they have to pretend. This extends to all staff. Imagine the guy complaining on the internet about this, it'd be a yab they don't want. You need to have a very good reason to fire anyone. Also there's unlawful termination lawsuits etc. So you underestimate one and overestimate the other.

>> No.8649838

>>8649705
All the more reason for Hololive management to be faster.

>> No.8649852

>>8649631
Do you have experience with this? Cause it sounds like you're talking out of your ass. Those emails would go straight to spam. What happens when the company wants to negotiate? Asks for royalty or offers a sponsorship?
>>8649707
That makes sense.

>> No.8649901

>>8628009
ive got a shit memory, when did kiara talk about management in the TTRPG collab?

>> No.8649930

>>8649720
Coco left

>> No.8649964

>>8649901
its already linked here dipshit

>> No.8649992

>>8649930
I know, and Hololive still stands strong. Sure, it would be even worse if Gura was fired instead of Gura leaving voluntarily, but in both cases Hololive goes on.

>> No.8650079

>>8637877
Yes, Omega was probably too busy thinking up "lore" for their self-insert to help a new talent with their song/find someone to help. Mumei probably went into the Discord all of them are in and Mori agreed to help

>> No.8650090

Remember, managers are people and therefore retarded like us

>> No.8650092

>>8649852
>Do you have experience with this?
Yes I have worked a day in my life. A few hundred emails is not a notable obstacle for a serious company.
>Those emails would go straight to spam.
>Streamer wants X game. I have already messaged them because it is my job to get streamers permission. Spreadsheet says I never received a reply. I will retry. No reply after two weeks. Inform streamer it was not possible to get permission.
>What happens when the company wants to negotiate? Asks for royalty or offers a sponsorship?
Fantastic! Forward it to negotiation management.

>> No.8650591

>>8628009
WTF I love kiara now

>> No.8651030

>>8649852
>Do you have experience with this? Cause it sounds like you're talking out of your ass.
>Proceeds to list a bunch of non-problems
Question do YOU have any experience with this? Are you so dumb you can't send out e-mails?

>> No.8653204

>>8649720
Cover tried to keep Coco, their tops aren’t really considered replaceable if that’s true

>> No.8653424

>>8632061
When? Holo never had that rule.

>> No.8654254

>>8630660
>Hard carry the company for a year as a squad of 5 bitches
>New bitches come in
>Managers downplay your work ethic
That's the reason they're managers and not the most subscribed vtuber of all time.

Shitters.

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